WEBVTT - Part Two: Everyone Hates the Klan 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:08.000 Hello, Hi, Hi, How are you? Well? Good? I don't 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:10.040 know how to answer that anymore. To be honest, I 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:13.079 asked me a different question. Okay, what's the name of 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:18.160 the show that we're on? Cool People? Yeah? And then 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:21.400 who are you? I'm sure? Thanks for asking who are you? 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:23.479 I was going to ask you to ask who I 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:28.520 tell me who I am? I'm I'm Margaret, I'm your Sophie. 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:31.560 Who are you? I am? No crap, I gave you 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.640 the answer in the question, well, well, I am the 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:40.720 only Sophie matters, so good, good, comically accurate. God, yeah, 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:46.960 thank you. Ah. Well, okay, I'm Margaret, I'm the host. 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:50.479 Sharne is our guest, Sophie is our producer. Ian is 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:52.160 the one who cuts out all the dead space when 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:55.040 my brain turns off in the middle of conversations and on. 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:58.200 Woman wrote the theme music for us. And in part 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:02.080 one we talked about who the kk are, slash were 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:04.640 or whatever. Today we're going to talk about some of 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:06.960 the people who sucked them up, because that's the cool 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:10.760 people who did cool stuff. Promise, whenever there are bad 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:13.320 people doing bad things, there are cool people trying to 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:17.040 funk those people up. Sometimes they succeed. Sometimes they fail, 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:19.480 but you know, I may fail to win, but I 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:22.520 will not fail to fight. Sometimes the cool people who 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:24.080 are trying to sunk up the bad people are you 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:27.920 and I here and now that's my inspirational speech. How 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:32.440 do I do? It's really beautiful? Thanks? Oh poetry? Okay, 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:34.080 and then I gotta remember I can't eat a little 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:37.400 bar while I'm talking. That doesn't work. I know how 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:40.920 to do my job podcast. I've been hired to accomplish 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:45.440 a task. What's that? What's that? Ian? We should know? Ian, No, 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:49.320 we can't do that to Margaret. It was just time 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:52.240 with the ballar? What is Oh wait, that's the thing 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:58.680 that happened. I'm just gonna get murdered later. People are 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.720 going to deep deep fake me from do you know 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:04.640 how many times poor editors have had to your chewing? 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.320 That's my that's my one thing. Do you know times 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:12.560 poor editors about here chewing? Like? I don't know how 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:15.200 I'm in this medium because I have that thing where 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:18.920 I like hate mouth noises like and it's called like 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:24.640 something whatever it starts with the end. Yeah, I really 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:28.040 have a thing about mouth noises. And I've listened to 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:30.799 myself talking back. I don't like my mouth noises. I 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.280 don't like anyone else's mouth noises. I cannot imagine being 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.519 an editor cutting out mouth noises. No, that's that sounds 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:40.679 like torture. So God bless mean and everyone else that 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:45.040 does that, because that sounds like absolute torture. ID be 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:46.760 like being the person with trip to phobia and you 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:48.440 have to edit out all the eyes out of the 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:52.160 Biblical angels. Uh huh okay, So I as a joke 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:57.520 that didn't work. Someone in the audience got it. Maybe, 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:02.000 So let's start today off with the cool people of 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:06.280 more or less the entire town of Carnegie, Pennsylvania, which 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.560 in three drove off a clan invasion with bricks and 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:15.240 bats and guns. Tell me more. Sorry, no, no, no, no, 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:18.440 Well I will vent, Sharine. I wasn't going to, but 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:21.480 now I'm going to. We're gonna talk about the resistance 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:24.239 of the second KKK mostly um and the third one 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:26.040 because in my head I have this whole huge arc 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:27.880 I want to do at some point about reconstruction and 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:29.160 the wake of the Civil War, but I don't have 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:30.840 figured how to handle it yet, so I don't want to. Like, 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:34.040 and I was like, I'm like I'm gonna tell these 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:36.160 stories because I haven't got it together yet to tell 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:37.760 the story about the people who fought the first Clan. 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:43.640 There's this town sort of called Carnegie, Pennsylvania. It's technically 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:47.360 a borough, not a town. It's sort of part of Pittsburgh. 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:50.680 I don't know, it's weird. The name of the person 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:56.320 who runs it isn't a mayor. It's a Burgess. Oh yeah, 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:02.720 I don't know. I'm not sure. Three yes. In the 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.640 nine twenties it was a steel town and it was 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:08.000 full of black folks who had fled Jim Crow South 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:11.920 Catholic immigrants from Ireland and Italy and Eastern Europe. But 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:15.560 half the town was Catholic, which I then presume means 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.159 like more than half the town is the sort of 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.400 folks that the clan would be targeting for violence. The 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:25.960 KKK didn't like them. They didn't like I have a question. 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.159 If it's about Burgesses, I can't answer. I don't know. 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:35.360 How does someone who hates Catholics and Walton to die. 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:40.000 How can you tell someone's Catholic? Probably Irish accents or 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:43.960 Italian accents back then. Okay, so that's like because that's 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.560 like an interest, like unless you're having a conversation with 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:50.640 someone like being I mean not saying it's easy, but 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:52.760 it is easier to direct your hate at someone that 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:55.240 looks different than you, because that look different than you 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:58.039 and you can you can spot them and single them out. 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:02.159 But it's just interesting that Catholicism was so hated because like, 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.479 how can you tell I know, and I mean you know, 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:07.160 you could be like, okay, well they're hanging out at 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:10.600 a Catholic church or I mean it's funny cause too 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:12.080 because you're like, oh, they're Irish and like, well, I 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.840 mean you know, Ireland is not solely Catholic, right, but 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.800 the people who were poor and had to flee um 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.280 the ravages of colonialism were more likely to be Catholic, 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:24.120 but again still not universally. But maybe they don't think 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:28.520 that much and maybe yeah yeah, and so you know, Okay, 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:30.960 the clan they don't like Catholics, they don't like immigrants, 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.320 and they really really don't like black people not coming 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:36.680 to i'd say, not coming to their neighborhood. But it's 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:39.960 not the clans neighborhood. Yeah, yeah, it's like their country 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:41.800 that in their mind, you know, that we stole this 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:45.600 fair and square. And most of the people that we're 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:47.400 talking about, most of the clans people were talking about, 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:49.960 came as from as far away as Texas. Most came 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:54.480 from Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia, and Kentucky. At the at 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.400 the clan's peak, there were thirty three branches of the 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:00.320 KKK in Allegheny County, where all this takes place. Um, 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:04.719 but they didn't call their branches branches. They called them claverns. No, 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:09.960 they didn't. They did with a K oh wait wait really, yes, 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:13.000 it's like the Kardashians just needing to put o K 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:16.640 in front of every fucking thing. No, thank you, Yeah, no, 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.000 they put it and they just made up nonsense words 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:22.200 for everything everything. You would take a regular word and 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:23.800 you would come up with a new word that has 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:28.200 a U in it. I think, and I don't. I 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:29.960 didn't put this in the script. I think that they 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:34.960 called their like list of rules the chlorin huh, something 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:39.440 like the k fascination originated because it's like, what is coup? 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:45.960 Is that like like a Greek who close? Is the group? Okay? 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:50.160 Or circle or something? Yeah, I don't know. There's just 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.960 something to the Kardashian connection that I will think about it. 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:57.040 But okay, yeah, okay, don't know about pop culture. Is 0:06:57.080 --> 0:07:04.160 the is the KKK Handbook? The is it? It's yeah, 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:06.960 because they're fucking I want to say they're fucking clowns, 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:14.000 but actually clowns way cooler than the clan um. Actually, yeah, 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:20.880 Sophie with the jokes. Yea. Anyway, August, really close to 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.840 a hundred years ago, the clan holds a rally out 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:29.200 thousand strong on a farm outside overlooking Carnegie. It's basically 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:34.200 like they're planning an invasion of Carnegie and they initiate 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:37.840 a thousand new violent bigots. Uh. They big big. They 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:41.120 burn a big old cross fifty fet tall. This is 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:44.760 like the thing that they like all of their big rallies. 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:47.800 They're like big. I mean they're big, like festivals of hatred, 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:51.080 and they're like competing to see you can, like which 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.360 one can have the biggest cross to set on fire. 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:55.920 Apparently a lot of times they would like fail at 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:58.520 the engineering and the crosses would fall over. I'm not 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.960 currently aware of any time that they fell over on 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:04.360 fire on top of klansmen, but if anyone is aware, 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:06.440 please let me know because it must have happened at 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:11.120 some point. Yeah, that would rule which probability was. Yeah. Um, 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:15.400 they spent days preparing the site. The Grand Wizard of 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:18.480 the KKK, which is their main leader, was there. He'd 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.160 replaced his predecessor, the one who dipped out when going 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:24.640 got tough. They had fireworks that made a big red 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:33.720 ks in the sky. No, like, it's like cartoon villain. Like, 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:37.600 I don't know, it's just it's like a postcard villain, 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.840 you know. Yeah, picnics and families and all that ship 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:45.080 these huge social events, these hate rallies. People from the 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:48.400 town aren't really excited about this for some odd reason. 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:52.280 At one point, anti clan folks took six pot shots 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.240 at their sentries and no one was hit but the sniper. 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:58.480 The snipers were never found. One account claims that they 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.320 were warning shots. Um, but I think no one actually 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:03.640 knows whether they like tried to hit anyone had missed, 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:05.560 or whether they were just like, we're going to go 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:08.199 shoot some guns near the clan rally. Because those people 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:12.520 right after the cross burning, the clans wanted to cap 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:14.800 off the night by marching through the nearby town or 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:18.360 borough of Carnegie, Pennsylvania. They preferred to march at night 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:21.080 because of that whole night rates thing. I think also 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:23.920 they thought it made them look scarier and that their 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:28.040 weapons were easier to conceal because it's dark. And when 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:30.760 I say marching through the nearby town, it was absolutely 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:32.960 clear that they're out for blood. It's hard to know 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:35.240 exactly whether they were like, let's go rough up a 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:40.080 few people, or whether they were like trying to just 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:43.920 really run riot on the whole place, because again trying 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:47.480 not to focus on atrocities here, but they've been doing 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:51.280 stuff like that, and anti black folks in particular have 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:53.520 been doing stuff like that in the recent past. At 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:57.560 this point they had a problem. The Burgess of Carnegie 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:00.880 was an Irish Catholic guy, John F. Conley, and he 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.520 didn't like the clan in part because the clan kept, 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:06.760 you know, harassing and murdering people. And so when the 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:08.880 clan had asked if they could march, she was like, no, 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:12.040 you can't parade through town. You're the KKK and the 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:15.839 grand Wizard he like, he plays this up very carefully, right, 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.040 he goes back and I'm not this is not direct quotes. 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:20.760 He's like, hey, buds, the town they say no, But 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:23.800 what do you say, and the people are like, let's 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:28.280 do it anyway. They didn't help that the chief of 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:35.400 police of Carnegie was in the clan. Oh I mean surprised, no, disappointed? Yeah, yeah, totally. 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:39.640 And one of the things that's complicated about actually is 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:41.600 one of the reasons that this story is particularly interesting 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.360 to me. Complicatedly looking for fights. As part of the 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:47.840 clan's recruitment strategy, um, they would intentionally hold parades in 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:51.320 Catholic areas, hoping to spur backlash so that they could 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:53.800 kind of like riot and look cool and tough and 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:56.120 like have beat up some people, you know, and kind 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.280 of like vaguely make it look like self defense or whatever. 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:02.319 Free speech. But it's this works when the KKK wins 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.880 when they quote their recruitment works really well when they 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:12.040 quote run kneed when streets run knee deep in Catholic blood. Oh. 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.440 They prefer their fights when they have numbers like forty 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:18.160 to one, basically, and I think this is remarkably consistent 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:21.839 across fascist ideologies. I think fascism is an ideology of cowardice. 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:24.320 I think it is about masking fear with a tough 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:28.520 guy attitude over people that you can wildly overpower. Well, 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:30.600 so they have a market. It's a good way to 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:34.160 put that for like my my little brain if appreciates 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:37.319 that breakdown, because it's very true. Thanks a lot of 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:39.400 time thinking about it, and a a lot of conversations like 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:42.480 back in the day with UM some European anti fascists 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:44.280 like in UM, like like us talking to someone in 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:48.200 Bulgaria once while I was there and and they were 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:50.120 talking about how it's like, look, when when we win 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:53.959 against the fascists, their numbers go down because they don't 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.319 like being on the losing side as compared to the 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:59.440 anti fascist side. When we our numbers go down only 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:04.640 if they kill us. Unfortunately. There it's like this, it's 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:07.960 ultimately all about insecurity, which is like kind of sad. Yeah, 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:10.800 totally pathetic, sad, not sad like boo who you know 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:17.120 what I mean? Totally Yeah. Sot Klansmen out of start 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.160 marching towards the town. At the front of their parade 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:22.880 is a car with a five foot tall lit up 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:30.640 electric KKK light and wow, that must have taken a 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:34.960 lot of work. Uh huh. Wow. They have a marching band, 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:41.320 they have torches Allah Charlottesville, and they tried to march 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.360 into town over a train bridge, but the people of 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:45.960 Carnegie had blocked it with some trucks, so they marched 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.079 to another bridge, and this one leads right into the 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:51.400 Irish part of town. And when they get there, a 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:54.199 car is sideways across the road and there's a huge 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:57.600 crowd of Carnegieans who are there to politely say Nope, 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:00.800 you can't come the fucking Klansmen. By politely, I mean 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.920 they threw it at them. The klansmen successfully moved the car, 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:06.960 but the crowd drives them back throwing at them. And 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.880 one of the things that's frustrating for me, all the 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:14.320 history that I would find focuses on the clan and 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:17.800 like who was there for the clan and not the 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:20.959 people who fought them off, partly because the people who 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:23.199 fought them off didn't really write any histories about it 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:25.360 as far as anyone can tell. There's some people who 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:27.400 have done some researchers are really good. I'm gonna quote 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:29.760 it a couple of times. There's a a graphic novel 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:32.840 by Bill campbell Um, a black science fiction author, called 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:35.040 The Day the Clan Came to Town, who did a 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:38.760 lot of research and grew up in Carnegie. But as 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.679 far as I can tell, this was a consciously diverse 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.840 group that had come together against across racial and cultural 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.680 divides to team up for community defense. I believe that 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:51.120 there were black fighters, Italian fighters, Jewish fighters, Irish fighters, 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:55.040 and Armenian fighters in the crowd. But I I don't 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.679 know a ton about it, you know, Yeah, well, I 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:00.319 mean bring you bring up a good point about who 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:02.960 history is written by usually, you know, and like what 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:05.920 gets focused on and how many other details about so 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:10.679 many things that we don't know. Yeah, And it's and 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:12.720 it's even like histories written by the victors or whatever 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.960 and the clan like lose not only about the victors, 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:19.080 it's about like the biases, I think more so, it's 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:23.280 not about Yeah, it's just like what just it's like 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:26.560 a just by chance, what one person thinks is important 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.440 in that moment to document versus something else. And if 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:31.920 they're white or straight or whatever it is, and they're 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.360 writing about certain histories, they're going to focus on certain 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.800 things that only they think is important. So it's like 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:40.200 there's no such thing as unbiased anything when it comes 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:44.400 to history. Totally. Yeah, No, that's such a because it's 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:47.880 like I want to find moments of black resistance, and 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:51.200 I want to find moments of multiracial resistance, and I 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:54.080 want to find the people who are doing these things. 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:56.480 But a lot of the people writing about it are 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.800 focused on the clan as an evil entity or a 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:01.880 good entity. But most people run about his evil entity 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:04.000 at this point, I think, And so they want to 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:08.520 focus on the individuals within the clan. Yeah, so they're 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:11.680 at this bridge, A diverse crowd of people that organized 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:14.320 for their own defense of their own borrow came together 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:18.080 start driving them back. The clan's banned at this point, 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:20.560 is like, you know what funk this? And they had 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.400 the marching band. About the marching band, just the people 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.000 there were like trumpets and the ship. Yeah, they run 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.520 a trumpet to a gunfight. Um, well, at this point, 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.880 it's a brick fight, I think. Oh, and cops show 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.800 up and not all of them are klansmen. About half 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:40.760 of them, I think are. I'm not entirely cos that's 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:44.560 that's lower than you know, it's more than I thought. Half. Yeah, 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:48.560 but I don't remember where I got that. I remember 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:50.200 that not all of them were klansmen, but that the 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:53.000 chief of police is. But I don't remember what were yeah, 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:59.320 and they're like, hey, buds, this isn't a good idea 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:04.400 to the clan, and the clan ignores them. Eventually, three 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:09.880 hundred clansmen out of the people who are on the march, 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:13.440 three hundred burst through the crowd and charge into the town. 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.880 And they're like singing onward Christian Soldiers as they do it, 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:21.600 because they're off on a fucking holy war, right a crusade? 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:25.640 Yea for them? Yeah, totally. And so this is three 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:28.200 hundred out of twenty thousand who are brave enough to 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:32.080 actually go throw down. Um. When you put it that way, 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.480 it's very I don't know a music I know, and 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:39.960 I think that that's what we need to like remember, yeah, 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.480 fighting breaks out for real. There's clubs and maces and 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:49.360 knives and scattered gunfire because you don't march into a 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.360 town that doesn't want you there, that has prepared for 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.720 you and have it go easy. Women on rooftops are 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.400 throwing bricks and coal at the klansmen like whatever they 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:03.400 can find. This an asshole guy Thomas rankin Abbot, He's 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:05.920 from a rural town about twenty miles further down the road. 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:09.360 He gets himself shot in the head, and he does 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:13.399 himself a dying and the clansmen break and run. He 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.960 does himself way to see that one again. He does 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:18.639 himself a dying. He becomes a dead person instead of 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:25.280 like that, and all of his buddies, the Klansmen, they 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.040 break and run as soon as he's and they're like, 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:30.720 they're yeah, I know, they're like, they're shooting guns and 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:32.439 ship at people. They shoot a bunch of people, but 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:35.640 no one else dies in this particular encounter. But as 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:37.560 soon as one of theirs gets shot in the head, 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.920 they're all like, oh fuck, and they run the funk away. 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:43.040 They break and run. They ditched their guns in the 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:47.280 street for fear of being arrested with them. Hundreds hundreds 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:51.800 of Revolvers are recovered from the streets um and there's 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:56.240 no like specific evidence that the recovered revolvers were the 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.679 Clans revolvers. But my theory that they were the Clans 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:00.359 revolvers is based on the fact that if you're in 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.040 your own town, you don't have to ditch your gun 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:06.359 in the street. Yeah, you can take it home, or 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:07.920 you can ditch it somewhere you can get it later, 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.639 because you probably know, you g it's so funny that 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:14.240 they were so crusade, like had their guns and everything, 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:17.080 and like the police like they are telling what to do, 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:19.160 and they dropped them because they don't want to get arrested. 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:23.080 Let's just yeah, yeah, totally totally of your power. Totally 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.600 and then also like run into as soon as the 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:30.320 gunfight is two sided, they're like, oh ship, they have guns, 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:34.199 like we can die. Yeah, hundreds of them had guns. 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.000 A local undertaker who sounds like a gem of a 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:41.399 person I'm not being sarcastic, was arrested for the quote 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.600 unquote murder of the Klansman. I'm putting that in air 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:48.160 quotes because I don't think it was murder. And this guy, 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:50.200 the guy who was arrested was a sixty five year 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:54.280 old undertaker named Patty McDermott. His name is Patty, so 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:58.160 he's probably Irish Catholic Patty. But there was too much 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:01.200 chaos that night and too many can flicting witness statements, 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:04.359 so Patty was set free after a while because they 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:08.480 couldn't really pin it on him. However, after this whole thing, 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:10.200 I'm gonna get to a little bit where this becomes 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:13.199 this big like the dead dude becomes a murder and 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:17.840 ship Patty gets arrested again on the same charge, and 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:20.400 it goes to trial and he's found not guilty at 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.600 a jury trial. No idea whether the sixty five year 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.040 old undertaker shot the klansman, I would support him a 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:33.760 percent either way. Yeah, yeah, justice for Patty, yeah. And 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:36.960 so the KKK turns the death of their guy into propaganda, 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:38.600 and a lot of the history is like, and this 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:42.680 spiked their numbers, um, because they're like, oh, that damn 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:45.400 irishman shot from the alley behind a Catholic church, which 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:47.000 is true. The dude got shot right in front of 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:50.280 a Catholic church, um, And they're like, if we'd wanted, 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:52.920 we could have taken that town, but we're too law abiding. 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:55.360 But like, no, they got fucking beat, they got their 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:58.480 asses kicked, and they ran away. Yeah. It's like the 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:01.600 point you made about it boils down to it's just 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:04.520 like they don't wanna they they're in it as long 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:07.760 as they're like the big guy that the winners, you know, 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:10.160 and as soon as it starts to like turn on them, 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:13.360 they're like, actually, I'm gonna flip. I'm just gonna run 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:19.240 totally not necessarily flip more yeah more just runs yeah. 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:22.720 And the clan used this opportunity to griff their members 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:26.800 because of course they did. They nothing, ever, changes. They 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.800 raised sixteen thousands and donations for the families of the 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:32.840 family of their martyr, which is about two hundred thousand 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:37.680 dollars today, of which five thousands, so less than a 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:45.840 third actually made it to the family of course. Yeah. Meanwhile, 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:49.400 at a nearby Catholic town called Everson, the KKK drove 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:52.200 through and some local kids jumped them, stole all their ship, 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.320 and then they had like a mock ceremony to make 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:56.560 fun of it all because they had all like the 0:20:56.640 --> 0:21:00.440 KKK stuff, and they're like, oh, where the KKK. Love 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:02.960 that for them, but love that for us, love it, 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:06.000 And so the k K they're like, all right, we're 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:09.040 gonna We're taking western Pennsylvania. We're gonna take this place, 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:11.119 you know, And so they call for an even bigger 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:14.240 and more important rally. Shortly after all of this, they 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:17.720 sent three thousand plain clothes armed clansmen to a town 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:21.199 of the town of Scottsdale, Pennsylvania. They had fucking machine 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:24.720 guns and trucks only ten thousand clansmen showed up to 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:29.240 the rally forty tho non clan spectators, which is to say, 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:31.600 probably forty anti clan people, but it might have been 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:34.080 forty neutral people. But I don't know. I can't really 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:36.920 imagine showing up neutral in this particular context. The history 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:39.080 I read was like spectator and I'm like, what does 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:44.520 that mean? And the local Exalted Cyclops, which was the 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:48.200 local leader. That's can't I can't believe that's real. Yeah, 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:52.960 I can't believe it's real Exalted Cyclops. Yeah, they Exalted Cyclops. 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:55.879 Why is why is one eye good for you? I 0:21:55.880 --> 0:22:00.760 don't understand whatever, because they're sucking the worst kind of 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:05.000 D and D nerds that have ever existed. But we 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:09.520 have a new sponsor this week has a jingle. The 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:12.280 jingle is don't stare at your feet when you cross 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:16.639 the street, jay walk, jaywalk, make sure cars are plenty 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:21.600 far than jay walk, jay walk. Because our sponsors the 0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:28.080 concept of jaywalking, it was responsible to do so, thank you. Yeah, 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:31.040 and uh I actually they sent me some free jaywalking 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:35.040 in the mail. Oh great, cool? Yea, I was running 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:41.200 out code don't get hit by cars O good? Yeah 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:46.040 or be yeah, totally for any fines you might incur. 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:48.760 Oh my god, I don't know if it's still exists. 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:50.640 But one time I was in Sweden and they had this, uh, 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:54.320