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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Thursday, June twenty sixth and closing

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Speaker 1: arguments are underway in the Ditty Trial. Welcome to this

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Speaker 1: Ditty Update edition of Amy and TJ First robes. Can

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Speaker 1: you just believe it? Closing arguments? Seven weeks of this trial,

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Speaker 1: this has been going on for which has been engulfed

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Speaker 1: in this for so long. It's almost over.

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Speaker 2: In a weird way, because we've been following it so

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Speaker 2: closely for these past seven weeks, time has flown by.

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Speaker 2: I actually can't believe it's almost been two months.

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Speaker 3: And yes, to your.

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Speaker 2: Point, it feels crazy that it's over or it's about

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Speaker 2: to be over.

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Speaker 1: And as we speak, folks, says this recording, closing arguments

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Speaker 1: are underway. The prosecution is going first. Christy Slavic is

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Speaker 1: handling handling it for the prosecution. But Rose, we got

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Speaker 1: a better idea this morning. It seemed like every day

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Speaker 1: there's a new update to the schedule that is a

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Speaker 1: little surprising to us. But we I think this is

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Speaker 1: it now, This is going to be the schedule.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so the prosecution is going to finish its closing

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Speaker 2: arguments today. The defense is not going to begin its

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Speaker 2: closing arguments until Friday, and after the defense gives its

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Speaker 2: closing arguments, the prosecution will have a chance for rebuttal,

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Speaker 2: and then of course the judge has to give the

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Speaker 2: jury instructures, instructions that they hammered out yesterday. So for sure,

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Speaker 2: I think we can say we thought we were sure

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Speaker 2: of but now we're one hundred percent surew Okay, ninety

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Speaker 2: nine point nine percent sure that the jury won't even

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Speaker 2: begin to start their deliberations until Monday at the earliest.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So going with that schedule again, both sides said

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Speaker 1: they needed four hours, So help me with this ropes.

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Speaker 1: They said they needed four hours, But were they thinking

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Speaker 1: two for the closing and then two for a rebuttal?

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Speaker 1: Or is this closing going to be four? Then the

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Speaker 1: defense is going to do four and then the rebuttal

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Speaker 1: could be how long?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: See, I'm confused now about because now Friday could be

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Speaker 1: a hell of a day for the jury if they

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Speaker 1: have to listen to four hours of the defense and

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Speaker 1: then another hour two hours prosecution and then jury instruction.

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Speaker 2: So according to court reporters from what I have been

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Speaker 2: able to deduce, they say that today will be a

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Speaker 2: shorter day Thursday and Tomorrow will be what they described

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Speaker 2: as a long day, so I think it'll be what

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Speaker 2: they can get in.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know how long.

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Speaker 2: It seems as though the prosecution is going to or

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Speaker 2: expects to take four hours today and then who knows

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Speaker 2: how long the rebuttal will be. It might be dependent

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Speaker 2: upon what they hear from the defense, so they might

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Speaker 2: that might be fluid, that might not even be set

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Speaker 2: in stone right now in terms of because how would

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Speaker 2: you know what to rebut until you hear what the

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Speaker 2: defense actually presents?

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Speaker 1: And what do we make of this? With the judge

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Speaker 1: of saying about the deliberation schedule, he said he's going

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Speaker 1: jury for what their deliberation schedule is going to be.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how much leeway do they exactly get? They

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Speaker 1: can't have full control. But what did he mean? I

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Speaker 1: didn't fully understand.

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Speaker 2: I imagine that, you know, they have given up so

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Speaker 3: Perhaps if some members of the.

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Speaker 2: Jury need to be home by three or some you know,

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Speaker 2: some jury members need to be able to get their

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Speaker 2: kids off to school, they might be able to deliberate

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Speaker 2: among themselves to pick the hours that work best. For

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Speaker 2: the group, and maybe the foreman decides that it might

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Speaker 2: be the first chance that they all have to actually

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Speaker 2: collectively make a decision on something. Before they actually make

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Speaker 2: a decision on the verdict, they'll make a decision collectively

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Speaker 2: on their timeline.

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Speaker 3: They used to hearing that, I'm not either.

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Speaker 2: No. Usually they say jury reports at this time and

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Speaker 1: So sometimes the judge will ask the jury, do you

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Speaker 1: all want to go a little later today? Sometimes I've

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Speaker 1: seen that, but I've never seen I can imagine. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you're if you're a juror, right now, they say,

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Speaker 1: how what would you like your hours to be? What

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Speaker 2: I would like to have as long of a day

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to keep coming back each day, So

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Speaker 2: give me a nine hour day and a quick lunch

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Speaker 2: Especially if some of these folks, they have jobs, they

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Speaker 3: They don't have salaries.

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Speaker 2: They're not getting paid by their work, so I would

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Speaker 2: think there would be a motivation to go ahead and

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Speaker 2: put in the work each day instead of extending the

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Speaker 2: days that you have to laborate.

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Speaker 1: Would you work through the weekend?

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Speaker 3: No, No, I don't think so. No, everybody needs a break.

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Speaker 1: That's a good point. So we're still waiting on that

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Speaker 1: part to fill in about the schedule, but it looks

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Speaker 1: thing is going to go. Now, how this is going

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Speaker 1: to go with the with the prosecution, the case they're

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Speaker 1: trying to make, We've gotten a little insight. We've listened

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Speaker 1: doing its clothes, and they are using this word over

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Speaker 1: and over and over enterprise, enterprise, enterprise. He was the

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Speaker 1: head of an enterprise, enterprise enterprise. They first started with robes,

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Speaker 1: this racketeering conspiracy charge, which is the one that has

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Speaker 1: the highest possible sentence. He could life in prison for

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Speaker 1: this thing. And they're trying to build and explain to

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Speaker 1: them piece by piece why he was the head of

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Speaker 1: a criminal enterprise. This is why this is kidnapping, this

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Speaker 1: is drug distribution, So they're really piecing this thing together,

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Speaker 1: and it's, to be honest with you, it's kind of

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Speaker 1: some of the legalities of his hart to follow.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, so right when they're getting specific about it, and

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Speaker 2: they've really been focusing right now at least on the

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Speaker 2: racketeering charge, because that is, of course, as you point out,

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Speaker 2: the most serious one. So apparently they're giving the jurors

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Speaker 2: this instruction. The prosecution is there are four elements to

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Speaker 2: convict on a racketeering charge. Those elements are a conspiracy

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Speaker 2: to participate in criminal enterprise having an impact on state

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Speaker 3: So I'm already confused.

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Speaker 2: So basically, someone Diddy would have had to have commit

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Speaker 2: committed two individual acts in any of these categories kidnapping, arson, bribery, bribery,

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Speaker 2: drug distribution, sex trafficking, interstate transport for prostitution.

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Speaker 3: Forced labor, witness tampering, and obstruction. My head's already spinning.

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Speaker 1: And we put this in here, folks, not to say

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Speaker 1: it so you would understand it, but for you to

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Speaker 1: understand why it's so confusing and what these jurors now

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Speaker 1: to piece through. And what was the thing they did?

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Speaker 1: The prosecution took out part of the jury instruction? What

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Speaker 1: was it? They wanted the attempted kidnapping taken out? They

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Speaker 1: just wanted the word attempted taken out because if you

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Speaker 1: you use the word attempted. They just said, the hell

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Speaker 1: would it take attempted out? And we just want to

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Speaker 1: say kidnapping? He was kidnapping? Folks, Well, it's mine. How

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Speaker 2: I so, I don't know's that's the number one thing

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Speaker 2: I'd like to impart to everyone listening.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I feel for the jury. They again,

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Speaker 3: they've been sitting.

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Speaker 2: And listening to this testimony, some of it fascinating, some

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Speaker 2: of it gripping and even maybe a little entertaining. But

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Speaker 2: this is heavy stuff because someone's life is on the line,

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Speaker 2: and it is so technical, and there are so many

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Speaker 2: or maybe I don't know, but I cannot imagine this

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Speaker 2: deliberation is going to be quick. Even if you have

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Speaker 3: And what it takes.

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Speaker 2: Did the prosecution prove these specific things beyond a reasonable doubt?

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Speaker 2: And this is again, like you said, this is just

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Speaker 2: the conspiracy. Sorry, this is just the racketeering charge.

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Speaker 1: So to that point, again, they're talking about, let's say

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Speaker 1: the kidnapping charge. We've been here about kidnapping. Was he

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Speaker 1: think we know what kidnapping is. Well, kidnapping here is

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Speaker 1: just restricting Cassie's movements because he didn't want her to

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Speaker 1: heal first. Okay, that could sound like a stretch like kidnapping.

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Speaker 1: I know what kidnapping is, but that's a very technical

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Speaker 1: term and a technical definition of kidnapping. But they might

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Speaker 3: I mean that has happened before.

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Speaker 2: It's not often, but this is that complicated. And then

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Speaker 2: of course you have Capricorn Clark, who claims she was

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Speaker 2: kidnapped by one of Ditty's bodyguards and held against her will,

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Speaker 2: he went missing. She said she was threatened by his

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Speaker 2: is it provable. It's her word against his word.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but she also he kidnapped her because he came

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Speaker 1: So that's kidnapping, right That those kinds of legal questions.

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Speaker 1: If the guy is I mean, charge him with kidnapping

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Speaker 1: is one thing, But is he running a criminal enterprise

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Speaker 1: because he's a drug addict, maniac, madman, terrible boss and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's it is a lot. It's a

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Speaker 2: huge mountain of evidence and it's a huge mountain to

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Speaker 2: to tell the jurors is he had an enterprise of

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Speaker 2: people working for him. He couldn't do this all on

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Speaker 2: his own. He couldn't have done what they say he

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Speaker 2: did to these women if he didn't have people helping him.

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Speaker 2: And that created more of a a force. So these

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Speaker 2: women felt like they couldn't say no because they weren't

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Speaker 2: just going up against one person, they were going up

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Speaker 2: against all of his employees. And they said, even if

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Speaker 2: the lower level employees didn't know crimes for being committed,

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Speaker 2: they were still being used as I think they said

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Speaker 2: the term foot soldiers see.

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Speaker 1: And then I wanted, I thought a big part of

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Speaker 1: proving this case had to be that the folks had

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Speaker 1: to be willing, had to be knowing participants in that enterprise,

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Speaker 2: I thought, that's so no, they're saying, as long as

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Speaker 2: it was just Diddy using people to enforce what he

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Speaker 2: didn't matter if the people who were doing his bidding

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Speaker 1: We've been covering this or watching this closer than anybody

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Speaker 3: If he just twice did that. And I didn't realize

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is I don't know what the lesser punishment.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna say something else that they were

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Speaker 1: They also flat out sett also, she said a short

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Speaker 1: He's the leader of a criminal enterprise, right, this is

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: They described someone who spent most of his time, at

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Speaker 2: he said, excuse me. The prosecution said, I thought this

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Speaker 3: And so that's what they're trying to say.

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Speaker 2: This is all a part of a larger grand scheme,

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Speaker 2: and that's where you get this racketeering charge.

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Speaker 1: It's just wild to think that the purpose isn't the

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Speaker 2: It's what it sounds like, and that we heard and

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Speaker 2: yet we heard Brandon Paul say it was one percent

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Speaker 3: So I'm sure the.

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Speaker 2: Defense is going to have plenty to say to counter

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Speaker 3: The picture the prosecution is.

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Speaker 2: Trying to paint right now that this was basically what

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Speaker 1: This is incredible. They called it a methodical pattern of

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Speaker 1: his fame, wealth and power put him above the law.

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Speaker 1: But over the course of his trial, his crimes have

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Speaker 1: been exposed. And that's it, right. The brutal crimes at

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Speaker 1: The brutal crimes at the heart of this case, sex trafficking.

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Speaker 1: That's what's the sex trafficking charge. Two of them, those

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Speaker 2: You know, this is this is overwhelming, and the fact

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Speaker 2: she just the prose prosecutor, Christie Slavic, has come out

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Speaker 2: now they'll go through methodically. It was described as like

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Speaker 3: And it's just begun. That's the crazy thing.

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Speaker 1: Let me give you through all this, it's not a

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Speaker 1: you know, a little levity in some of these things

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Speaker 1: that've been brutal. This is at least one quote from

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Speaker 1: Talking about Kid Cutty and saying that Diddy, yes was

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Speaker 1: of course the defendant was behind this. Now, it shouldn't

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Speaker 1: You heard the audio notes the defendant didn't even buy

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Speaker 2: That might not be a Perry Mason moment like we

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Speaker 3: Fair point.

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Speaker 1: You can't make the argument, yeah, he would have he

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Speaker 1: had nothing to do with that. Well, yeah, of course

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Speaker 1: he wouldn't. He didn't even buy his own soup.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And you know, to get more specific about what Slavic

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Speaker 2: come on, she did. She acknowledged that because people have

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Speaker 2: just charged him with domestic abuse. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I missed that note, So yeah, I mean whatever, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: she's just kind of acknowledging the oh wow, I miss that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, she said the defendant used power, violence and fear

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Speaker 1: But that is hard to think of the Five Families

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Speaker 1: is one thing. The dude was feeding his sexual desires.

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Speaker 1: That was his ultimate aim, right.

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Speaker 2: And it didn't matter, according to the prosecution, who he hurt,

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Speaker 2: kept people where he wanted them, including yes, Cassie and

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Speaker 2: this trial. It's interesting, while all of this picture is

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Speaker 2: he's pouring water from a craft. But they said he's

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Speaker 3: The court reporter said.

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Speaker 2: Throughout the trial, he's been intense, he's been involved, he's

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Speaker 3: But he seemed confident.

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Speaker 2: And you know, we even heard him with the judge jovially,

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Speaker 3: Thank you and you're doing a good job. Just really confident.

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Speaker 2: They said today his body language suggested that he was nervous.

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Speaker 2: They said he was rubbing his palms together when the

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Speaker 2: because this is it, this is it, and this is

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Speaker 2: the jury believe that he is not responsible for these

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Speaker 1: Well, at least he's not a mob boss. I guess

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Speaker 1: he's trying.

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Speaker 2: To make the they're kind of saying he was a

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Speaker 1: Yes, mob bosses. Last thing on this, because I love

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of mob history I do follow. But

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Speaker 1: the purpose of the enterprise was to make money, right, yes,

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Speaker 1: and the crimes were all committed for the sake of

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Speaker 1: making money for that enterprise.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 1: Did he had an enterprise that was making money through music, correct?

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Speaker 1: And then that enterprise was used for the sex parties.

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Speaker 2: It almost seems like the money was his side hustle

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Speaker 1: But he is funding the criminal behavior versus the criminal

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Speaker 1: They treat him like Fattonian, right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and it's I think a lot of people

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Speaker 2: prosecution is leaning in and doubling down on that theory

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Speaker 2: and whatever the money was there to make it happen,

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Speaker 2: and they're saying that he used illegal means to get

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Speaker 2: what he wanted.

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Speaker 1: It's fascinating, fascinating, fascinating. Well, folks, we're going to hop

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Speaker 1: back on again later today because you have the second

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Speaker 1: half of the prosecution's closing argument is going to be today.

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Speaker 1: We're going to hop back on and let you know

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Speaker 1: how they close up, how they finish up today. But

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Speaker 1: we always appreciate you listening.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I'm TJ. Holmes, along time, my partner Amy Robot will

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Speaker 1: talk to YUSS