1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: Go after the big, scary ideas that sound absurd. If 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: they make you feel a little uncomfortable, maybe that's the 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: one you go for. 4 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: What's going on, everybody, Emily Abodi. Here, You are listening 5 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: to a brand new season of Hurdle. 6 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 3: Season sixteen. This is Insanity. 7 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 2: Hurdle's a wellness focused podcast where I talk to inspirational 8 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: people about everything from their highest ties and toughest moments 9 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,639 Speaker 2: to essential tips on how to live a healthier, happier, 10 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: more motivated life. We all go through our fair share 11 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: of hurdles. My goal through these discussions is to empower 12 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: you to better navigate yours and. 13 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 3: Move with intention so that you can stride towards. 14 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: Your own big potential and of course have some fun 15 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 2: along the way. I hope you loved that little remix 16 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 2: on the intro that you have come to know and 17 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 2: love listen because I have been. I have been hearing 18 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 2: you out on all the things that you want from Hurdle, 19 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: and I am here to tell you that in season sixteen, 20 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: as we move forward, I am here to give you more, 21 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: more content, more videos, more interaction, more effort, more sponsors. 22 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 3: Listen. 23 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: The best way for us, you and me me and 24 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 2: the hurdlers to make this work is that we make 25 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: it reciprocal. So if you like the rebrand which is 26 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 2: launching today, and I really hope you do because so 27 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 2: much love and work has gone into this, thank you 28 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 2: so much to the team. You know who you are, 29 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: Share it with a friend, post about it on social 30 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: and if you want to hear about a certain person 31 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,279 Speaker 2: or a certain topic on the show going forward, email 32 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: us over at Hello at hurdle dot us. This year, 33 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: it's no exception, we are starting things off with a 34 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: crowd favorite, the Turning the Page series That's Right Season 35 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: sixteen kicking off with our most listened to episode series 36 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: of the year for turning the page. To those who 37 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: may not remember or those that are new hurdlers, welcome. 38 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 3: Happy to have you. 39 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: I sit back down with some of your favorite guests 40 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 2: to chat about the lessons they're bringing with them from 41 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: the past three sixty five as well as their feedback 42 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: on what worked, what didn't work, what they're excited about 43 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: for the year to come, and other important lessons that 44 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 2: have helped them shape, reframe, adjust their perspective, and come 45 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 2: out on top despite whatever hurdles they've experienced. To kick 46 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: things off. I am sitting down with the one and 47 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 2: only Courtney to Walter. She had an epic twenty twenty 48 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: three when she became the first ever endurance athlete to 49 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 2: win Western States one hundred, hard Rock one hundred and 50 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,119 Speaker 2: Ultra Trail DeMont Blanc three iconic. 51 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 3: That is an understatement, one. 52 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: Hundred mile races in the same year. I am so 53 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 2: excited for this series. I am so excited for this 54 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: relaunch of Hurdle for season sixteen. 55 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 3: To all of you, thank you so so much. 56 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 2: Just feels like I can't say this enough for keeping 57 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: up with me, for making past six years of content 58 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: creation truly fly by now ways to support. If you're 59 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: not yet subscribed to the weekly Hurdle newsletter, do that 60 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: the links in the show notes. If you are not 61 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: yet following Hurdle Podcast on Instagram at Hurdle Podcast, do that. 62 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 3: I'm over at Emily Abadi. I'd love to see you there. 63 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: And we're also about to get really active in the 64 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: Secret hurdlerspacebook group. So links to all of these things 65 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: are in the show notes. Show you support for the 66 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: show and let's get this all started with that. 67 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 3: Let's get to hurdling. 68 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 2: Today, I am sitting down with the One, the Only, 69 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: Courtney de Walter. 70 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 3: How are we doing today, Courtney? 71 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: I'm great. How are you? 72 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 3: I'm so good. 73 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 2: I These episodes honestly make me so happy because I 74 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: feel like I'm catching up with an old friend. 75 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 3: So I'm so excited to sit back down with you. 76 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just catch up and chat. Yeah. 77 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 3: So, like, what's going on in your life right now? 78 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: Not much. It's I live in Leadville, Colorado, which is 79 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: very much in the mountains, so we are in winter now, 80 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: like it's snowy everywhere, the roads are covered, the trails 81 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 1: are covered. It feels like a beautiful winter wonderland. 82 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 2: A beautiful winter wonderland and not much going on because 83 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: you've done absolutely nothing this year, so you deserve to 84 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: continue to do nothing, right. 85 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: I have definitely enjoyed some off time end this down 86 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: season for sure. 87 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 88 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, talk to us about how your body's feeling now 89 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 2: that you've had some more time to recover from a 90 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 2: serious effort of a twenty twenty three. 91 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: My body and my brain both feel fantastic again. But 92 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: immediately after my last race at the start of September, 93 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: I was a wreck for like a few weeks, I 94 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: melted into the couch. I didn't move very much at all, 95 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: And then even after that, it took some time to 96 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: feel normal again and to feel like the same uh 97 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: pep in my step, both in my legs and in 98 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: my brain to get back out there. 99 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's totally understandable as someone who has done nothing 100 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: of the sort of what you've done, but can relate 101 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,679 Speaker 2: to a build up to a really big moment. It 102 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: is commonplace to have that posts large exciting thing down 103 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 2: be and for you to have so many back to 104 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 2: back big moments and then finally physically and mentally sit still. 105 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 3: Talk to me about how that really felt for you. 106 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: It almost felt like I crossed the finish line of 107 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: UTMB and it was like the balloon could deflate finally, 108 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: Like it had been like holding on for me for 109 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: you know, getting through all of these races, getting through 110 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: the summer, continuing to train and race. It kept holding on, 111 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: which I'm so thankful for. But then when I crossed 112 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: that last finish line, it's like all of it could release, 113 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: and I honestly deflated for a little bit. 114 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, again, so understandable. 115 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: In that deflate, it sounds like it was a relief, 116 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 2: but also after a little while, did any of those 117 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 2: post race blues set in for you? 118 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: I didn't really get the post race blues, and I 119 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: don't often, I think because we're very eyes forward people. 120 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: We like the thing happened, you know, we'll celebrate whatever 121 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: way it went, just like trying it out and either 122 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: getting to a finish line or not. But then we 123 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: really quickly start looking towards the next thing usually, and 124 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: so my fall was definitely not like you know, reliving 125 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: or missing the summer months. It was for sure looking 126 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: forward to like, Okay, what can we take from this, 127 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: what should we try? What's interesting? And then what adventures 128 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: can we just do in the here and now that 129 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: are fun like off season things. 130 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a great perspective and super useful for 131 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: someone who wants to be this kind of person. 132 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 3: What advice do you have for them? 133 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: I'll explain this, I guess, but I think that it's 134 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: just running. So like however it went, you know, it 135 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: was just one race, whether it went well or not well, 136 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: and it doesn't define who we are. We get to, 137 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: you know, shape our lives and our adventures however we want, 138 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: and so in order to do that. We should definitely 139 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: like learn from what's happened, but mostly be like plotting 140 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: and scheming for how we're going to get to the 141 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: next thing. 142 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that forward thinking mindset is really valuable and both 143 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: sides of the coin I can sympathize with, right because 144 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 2: even though it's just in this case running, it's like 145 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: so much effort and time goes into this one moment 146 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 2: that it's natural when it's all done at least for 147 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 2: this moment in time to be like, well, what am 148 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 2: I supposed to do now? 149 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally and being proud of you know, that time 150 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: and that effort is huge, and celebrating it regardless of results. 151 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: You know, you still put in the time, You still 152 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: put in the effort, You still cared about this thing deeply. 153 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: So I'm not saying like we shouldn't celebrate the things 154 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: that happen, but I don't think we need to like 155 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: stay in them. Yeah, we can keep walking forward with 156 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: that now as part of our character of our experiences 157 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: of ourselves. 158 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, like the past informs who you are and helps 159 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: you to move forward rather than defines you. Because that perspective, 160 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 2: then in turn, if maybe something didn't go how you 161 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 2: had hoped you then have the opportunity to learn from it. 162 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean that you quote unquote failed or 163 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 2: whatever the case may be, exactly for sure. So we're 164 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 2: here today, not only we're here today to do a 165 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: little bit of reflection. Like I said, big year for you, court, 166 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 2: so happy that we're able to recap together. If you 167 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 2: had to choose a theme for this year, what would 168 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 2: yours be? 169 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: My theme for twenty twenty three was definitely chase You're crazy. 170 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: Go after the big, scary ideas that sound absurd. If 171 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: they make you feel a little uncomfortable, maybe that's the 172 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: one you go for. 173 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: Did you ever, even let's say a year, two year, 174 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 2: three years ago, think that a year like twenty twenty 175 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: three would be in the cards for you? 176 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: No, No, I'm I'm so thankful for my body. I'm 177 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: so thankful that you know all of the race entries 178 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: and I got to the start lines of all of them, 179 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: and also still love the training for all of it. 180 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: None of that I take for granted. Every single day 181 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: I think my feet, whether that's in my head or 182 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: out loud, but feeling a lot of gratitude. 183 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 2: Audibly talking to the big toe I get it. Sometimes 184 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 2: I have to do that too. It's fine, you know, 185 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 2: with that gratitude for chasing your crazy, I'm sure that 186 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 2: there are people that have an opinion on your crazy. 187 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 2: How do you navigate that unsolicited feedback? 188 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: I mean people, everyone is allowed to have opinions. I 189 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: have no problems with that. It's what you value as 190 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: a person like and what people you surround yourself with. 191 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 1: And then you know what messaging you tell yourself or 192 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: you here in you know those moments where you need 193 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: to hear when you need to hear it. I guess 194 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: I think it's important who we surround ourselves with. 195 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: Oh my God, please, And for you such an epic 196 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 2: opportunity this year to surround yourself with your family for 197 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 2: the first time out in Shamani. How was that for 198 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: you to be able to pull your family into the men, 199 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: to combine your personal with your professional the best? 200 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: I mean those. That's what I do all of this 201 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: for is to make the memories with the people along 202 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: the way, so that you know, in eighty years we're 203 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: sitting on rocking chairs like cheersing the memories that we 204 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 1: made and those moments shared. It was really cool. My 205 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: parents have crued me at some races, but had never 206 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: been to Shamani, which is like a whole scene. It's 207 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: a huge gathering of trail running mountain running like endurance fanatics, 208 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: so it's super cool. And then I have two brothers, 209 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: and one of my brothers and his wife were able 210 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: to make a very last minute trip because I hadn't 211 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: decided on UTMB until early August basically, so they all 212 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: shifted their lives around to just be part of it 213 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: and come out and make memories together. 214 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 3: What was the tipping point for you to make that decision. 215 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: I finished hard Rock in mid July, and I was really, 216 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: really really tired and that race like I felt destroyed 217 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: during it. But about two weeks after hard Rock, I 218 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: went out for just a little forty five minute shakeout jog, 219 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: and on that shakeout jog, I didn't feel like complete trash. 220 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: I only felt like sort of garbage, like bad. Still 221 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: I didn't feel fresh, but I was like, man, if 222 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 1: I feel already like okay and there's still time, one 223 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: more hundred in the summer would be like the perfect 224 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: amount of crazy. So it felt like I should just 225 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: go for it then and see what happens, and I had, 226 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: you know, no idea what that would look like, but 227 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: I was all in on just trying to see. 228 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm sitting here giggling because I went 229 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: on one forty five minute run where I didn't feel 230 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: like absolute garbage, and I thought to myself, I should 231 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: go roun one hundred miles Like that's exactly how your 232 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: brain works. And I love that kind of quote unquote 233 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: crazy for you, because this a testament to the types 234 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: of challenges that you like to go after. On the 235 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: heels of that, I'm gonna ask you what was your 236 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 2: proudest moment of the year. 237 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: It could probably be like in all my races, I 238 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: don't know that I fell very many times. That feels 239 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: like a big accomplishment. I often fall. I usually like 240 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: am battered and bruised after a long race, just from 241 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: fighting with the rocks along the course. But yeah, this 242 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: year I stayed on my feet more often than not. 243 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: I think, also just being all in on this challenge 244 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: this summer for the fun of it. Like my mentality 245 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: was one hundred percent. Finish the races was the goal. 246 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: Have some fun with this and just see what's possible 247 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: because we don't know. I don't know, you know, and 248 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: I think I feel proud of like that mindset all summer. 249 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: It kept me like healthy and feeling fresh and energized 250 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: about the challenge ahead because it was just a super 251 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: fun experiment for myself. 252 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 3: Basically, what else is fun for you besides trail running? 253 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: Just like in life? You mean? 254 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean just in life. 255 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 2: Like I'm curious to see, like, how why this definition 256 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 2: goes for Courtney Di Walter. 257 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, because the pain gave is very different. 258 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 3: It's like a whole different type of fun. 259 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, very different than yard games with a beer in 260 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: hand or. 261 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 2: Oh we love a yard game? Are you a ladder 262 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: golf yard game girly? Or are you like h corn 263 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 2: hoole yard game? 264 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: Girl? I love cornhole? But we call it bags bags? 265 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: Is this like a East coast versus not East Coast thing? 266 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: Bags might be a Minnesota thing? Okay, I guess we 267 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: just want to pronounce our a's very bags. Yeah. Really, 268 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: any yard game, though, I can get into because it 269 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: means you're outside, you're hanging out with friends and family. 270 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: You're all there just relaxing and enjoying, and I love that. 271 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: That's my favorite. 272 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 2: Okay, yard games and the Pain Cave are the top 273 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 2: of your fun list. 274 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 3: Cool, same, same, same. 275 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: Same, totally same amount of efforts, same amount of determination. 276 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: I totally totally understand. We talked about your proudest moment 277 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 2: staying on your feet, an admirable feat for sure. When 278 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: we think about the inverse and think about your most 279 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 2: difficult moment of twenty twenty three, what comes to mind. 280 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I spent so many hours in the Pain Cave, 281 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: more than I ever have, going farther back in that 282 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: cave than ever before. So in the moment, those were 283 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: both fun in their own way, but also really really difficult. 284 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: Like the last forty miles of UTMB, I could barely 285 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: lift my feet off the ground anymore because my legs 286 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: were so tired, and uh, and that's a lot of 287 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: miles left to just live step by step, trying to, 288 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: you know, keep moving forward. 289 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 2: I remember I was at in the finish area at 290 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 2: UTMB and Shamani and we are watching these big TVs 291 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 2: they have, like the Courtney Cam, right, and there's just 292 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 2: this those impeccable camera people that are running on the 293 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: mountains and following you. 294 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 3: It truly blows my mind. 295 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 2: The athleticism that is required to do something like that, 296 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,719 Speaker 2: But it's so funny in the moment because all of 297 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 2: these people are running with you, like spectators upon spectators 298 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 2: upon spectators, are just trying to keep up with you 299 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 2: as you're like making your way through the woods, and 300 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 2: your face is a combination of I'm so grateful you're here, 301 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 2: but also please leave me alone. So there's two things 302 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 2: I want to double click on. One, how does it 303 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 2: feel in those moments to have all of these people 304 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 2: around you because you're in the middle of doing a 305 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 2: really hard thing. 306 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: For sure, grateful for them. I get a lot of 307 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: energy from environments and try to give it back as well. 308 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: So the fans out on courses, you know, any race 309 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: that I've done, are huge boosts of energy and just 310 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: positive motivation, forward momentum, like all of that I get 311 00:18:55,560 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: from people being out there. And at the same time, 312 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: I was so spent in that race that I could 313 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: barely like blink or look sideways, you know, like I 314 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: was just like surviving to get to that finish line, 315 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: and so I couldn't like engage or smile as much 316 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: or you know, it was like a definite survival mission. 317 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I can't even imagine, Like I get 318 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 2: up on the wrong side of the bed and I'm like, oh, 319 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 2: one person wants to talk to me within twenty minutes. 320 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 3: I don't have this energy, this bandwidth. 321 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 2: I can be kind to you, but I might not 322 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 2: be the friendliest Emily that you want to hang out with. 323 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 3: So to be. 324 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 2: Sixty miles into a task like this with forty left 325 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 2: on deck and have all of those people surrounding you, yeah, 326 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 2: I would imagine that could be a little bit conflicting. 327 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 2: Now you talked about the fact that forty miles left 328 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 2: in a race is not a small distance. What keeps 329 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 2: you going when you're in the depths of the pain cave? 330 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 3: What's your why? 331 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: My why is curiosity and wondering what's possible, and my 332 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: visual for that is this pain cave. So even though 333 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: you know it's not ideal to enter the pain cave 334 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: with forty miles left and be as destroyed as I felt, 335 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: it feels productive because there I am in the darkest 336 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: corners where I've never been before, and I'm getting to 337 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: make myself better for the next time. So that's what 338 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: I try to keep in mind, is like, what's possible? 339 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: And do the work now so that you can be 340 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: better for your future self. 341 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 2: I love that sentiment, and that reframe from this is 342 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 2: really hard. 343 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 3: I don't know if I can too. 344 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 2: I know that I can, and I'll be able to 345 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 2: utilize every bit of this experience in my future for 346 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,719 Speaker 2: you person, and only in the execution of that. 347 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 3: Are you like break it. 348 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 2: Up into little doables and like accomplish small bits at 349 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 2: a time to get through the hard stuff. Are you 350 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 2: a big self talk person? Bring me into your headspace 351 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 2: during this time the pain cave? 352 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: Both of those things. So for sure, I'm staying right 353 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: where my feet are, right in the moment, just chewing 354 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: on the amount I can actually process. And when it 355 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: gets hard, that's the next step. Like it's not even 356 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: the next mile, it's not the next aid station, it's 357 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: one more step. Let's just do that as best we 358 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: can right now. So breaking it into those digestible pieces, 359 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: and then I do a ton of self talk and mantras, 360 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: and sometimes it's just in my head, but sometimes it's 361 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: out loud. I think what we say to ourselves is important, 362 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: really really important, and so trying to heat my mindset 363 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: as positive and productive as possible. 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If 399 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: you want to know what my go tos are right now, 400 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 2: we're talking sneakers. I am lacing up the new Nova 401 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 2: Blast four and the gel Nimbus twenty five. Again my 402 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 2: go tos the Noble Blast four, the Jail Nimbus twenty 403 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: five regulars in my training rotation, I promise I would 404 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 2: never steer you wrong. Was there a certain point in 405 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 2: your life where you realize the true power of self talk? 406 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: For sure, I concretely started to understand it after I 407 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: tried my first hundred mile race and I dropped out 408 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: at mile sixty. This was back in twenty twelve. I 409 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: thought of running as a physical thing, solely physical or 410 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: moving our bodies, and you either can do it or 411 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: you can't. And so when it got hard during that 412 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: one hundred mile attempt, I thought, well, I'm just not 413 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: a person who can do this, and I spiraled into 414 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: this whole negative self talk whirlpool of convincing myself to 415 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: just throw in the towel. So I did. But then 416 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: I sat there at that aid station that I quit 417 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: at for hours because I didn't have a ride out, 418 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: and I watched all of these people come through and 419 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: they were clearly hurting, but somehow they were finding a 420 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: way forward, and it really illustrated for me that it 421 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: was possible and that it was more than a physical act, 422 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: like you need to stay strong in your head if 423 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: you want to do something difficult like this. It also 424 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: solidified my path forward that I wanted to be a 425 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: person who could do this. So I'm going to figure 426 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: it out and then the next time it gets really hard, 427 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to play a different record in my head 428 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: than the negative one that played this last time, because 429 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: clearly that didn't work, and let's try, you know, the 430 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: positivity one instead. 431 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, so firstly that idea or that decision, I'm going 432 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 2: to be the person that can do things like this. 433 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 3: Okay, that's like a large goal, right. 434 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 2: So in that moment you said I'm going to be 435 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 2: the kind of person that can run this type of 436 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 2: a distance, do this type of a race. Do you 437 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 2: then work back from that decision because in practice saying 438 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 2: something out loud like that, that's a really big undertaking. 439 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 2: So I would imagine that you got to a point 440 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 2: where you said, Okay, now I'm going to have to 441 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 2: break this up into smaller doables. 442 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I fully like backpedal. You know, where am I 443 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: in this whole journey of trying to get to this 444 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: thing that I'm aiming for. Let's backpedal and let's relook 445 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 1: at the whole on ramp towards it. Because we don't 446 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: have to stick with what we did before. We can 447 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 1: try something totally new. We can change the path a 448 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 1: little bit to arrive at the destination in a better way. 449 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 1: So I did that. I definitely backpedaled it and then 450 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: took a wide view of like what are the things 451 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: I could try? And then I did start to make 452 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: some intermediate goals along the way to get me towards 453 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: one hundred mile finish. So for me, it was like 454 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: figuring out all of the pieces of ultra running and 455 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: signing up for some shorter races to practice those pieces 456 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: and like put it into action and learn from all 457 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,719 Speaker 1: of the steps along the way, because it was so 458 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: evident that it wasn't just you can do it or 459 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: not thing. It was a if you work for it, 460 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: you can be that person. But it's going to take 461 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: some input from. 462 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 2: You besides the evolution of your self talk and shifting 463 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 2: that more toward the positive side. What are some of 464 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 2: those other pieces that you're getting at that you felt 465 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 2: as though really needed exercise and practice, just. 466 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: Running trails more consistently, being more consistent in training, getting 467 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: out the door, building up in mileage, like all of 468 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: those basic pieces. But then ultra running is a ton 469 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: of puzzle pieces that all are included in this running race. 470 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: You know, it's like your nutrition is huge, and figuring 471 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: out that puzzle piece, your gear or like being comfortable 472 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: or you know, trying to avoid blisters or chase it, 473 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: like all of that can change a day, you know. 474 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: So it was like breaking it all into smaller buckets 475 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: and then trying to like figure out each bucket on its. 476 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 3: Own, Yeah, and then going back again. 477 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 2: I know I keep hammering in on the self talk thing, 478 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 2: but I do believe that it is an area that 479 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 2: so many individuals really struggle with adapting and making work 480 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 2: for them. What was your journey like to figuring out 481 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 2: the right way to talk to yourself? 482 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: In my second one hundred mile attempt, then I decided 483 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: at that start line, there's no quit in this race. 484 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: You're figuring it out along the way, no matter how 485 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: long it takes. And so during that race, the self 486 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: talk became just this very like general mantra of like, 487 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: you're fine, this is fine. So that one went over 488 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: and over and over in my head. Anytime I started 489 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: to doubt myself or worry about what was happening or 490 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: not happening, it was like, no, you're fine, this is fine. 491 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: It's everything's going fine. And I think having in my 492 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: mind before that race that there was no quit made it. 493 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: So I developed this mantra and like positive self talk 494 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: just to like battle that negativity that I knew would 495 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: seep in. I had just experienced it, you know, in 496 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: the race that I quit. So I knew it was 497 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: there lurking, and so I had to have like a 498 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: defense ready for it. So anytime it started to get negative, 499 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: it was just like throwing in that this is fine 500 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: and repeating it over and over again. And what I 501 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: found was that it really helped, Like it was fine, 502 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: everything was okay. I was going to problem solve whatever 503 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: was going on, and I was going to find a 504 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: way to keep putting one foot in front of the other, 505 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: and that negative thinking wasn't helping me do that, So like, 506 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: why give it a seat at the table? You don't, 507 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: you don't get to be here. You're not helping me. 508 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: Everything is fine, see you later. 509 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 2: I appreciate this approach because it's very realistic, right. It's 510 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 2: not saying something like I am the best person on 511 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 2: this course, or I mean insert other over exaggeration, maybe 512 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 2: hard to believe positive self talk. Saying something like I 513 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 2: am fine, this is fine, I can is so simple, 514 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 2: but such a big impactful way to move forward and proceed. 515 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've I found that it not only helped my head, 516 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: but it helped all of my systems just calm down. 517 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: Like when it felt not fine and I was saying 518 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: this is fine, It's okay. It was like everything could 519 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: be calm, and then I could actually think more clearly 520 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: about what our the problems I'm having right now, What 521 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: are the solutions I could try, Like, if I'm not 522 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: in this frenzy of panic, my brain actually can function 523 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: as a problem solver, and we can, you know, figure 524 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: out how to make it even more than fine and 525 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: keep moving forward better. 526 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 527 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 2: I think I need a recording of you saying it's 528 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,959 Speaker 2: fine for me to play when I run Tokyo in March. 529 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 3: Just you every like eighteenth song that comes on. 530 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 2: If I choose to use music, it'll be a six 531 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 2: second recording of you saying everything's going to be fine, Emily, Yeah, everything. 532 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: Would love to love to do that for you. 533 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 2: I'm gonna put it up for sale in the Hurdle store. 534 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 2: Just you all wait, I will. 535 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 3: Okay. 536 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 2: So we've talked about proudest moment of the year. We've 537 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 2: talked about most difficult moment of the year. Now we're 538 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 2: going to have a little bit of fun and I'm 539 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 2: going to ask you. I know that Time named Taylor 540 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,239 Speaker 2: Swift as their Person of the Year. If you had 541 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 2: to choose a person of the year, Courtney, Who are 542 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 2: you going to give your flowers to? 543 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: Oh geez, I have absolutely no authority to name anybody anything. 544 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: And I'm a big t Swish fan. I've got her 545 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: on my playlist in my tiny little world that I 546 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: exist in. My Person of the Year is my husband. 547 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: It's got to be And. 548 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 3: Why that tell me why he wins your your award? 549 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: He's the best. I mean, there are are crazy together, 550 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: you know, like this is a team sport, so those 551 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: finish lines are for sure a shared thing that we 552 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: both get to. But he is just such an amazing 553 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: behind the scenes guy who like he doesn't need anyone 554 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: to know you know how much he helps in me 555 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: getting to those finish lines. And he just like does 556 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: it because he loves it and we love doing this together. 557 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: And for sure, like creating those memories together. Is that's 558 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: like life? You know? Yeah? 559 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, It's such a special thing to be able, like 560 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 2: I said earlier, to combine your passions and your purpose 561 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 2: and then to be able to bring your people along. 562 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 3: For the ride. 563 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 2: There's truly, absolutely nothing better. When you look at the 564 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,399 Speaker 2: year that you've had. So many people have referred to 565 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 2: you over and over as the goat how does that 566 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 2: reference make you feel. 567 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: I don't need any titles or awards. I mean I 568 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,720 Speaker 1: appreciate it and I just love that the sport is growing. 569 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: More and more people are finding out about it, and 570 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: if it doesn't make them want to do the sport themselves, 571 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 1: maybe it helps them see that they could try something 572 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: a little bit crazier and chase after that, you know, 573 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,879 Speaker 1: like you don't have to run ultras, push yourself and 574 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: try hard things. You can do that in any area 575 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: of your life. 576 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 2: Speaking of growth of the sport, you were one. I 577 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 2: think the demo the last time I checked of UTMB, 578 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 2: which we've talked about today, is like something like twelve 579 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 2: percent women and eighty eight percent men. How does it 580 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 2: feel for you to be a woman at the front 581 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,280 Speaker 2: of this sport and what are your hopes for women 582 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 2: as the sport continues to grow. 583 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: It's an exciting time to be in this sport as 584 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: a woman. The ratio is still off on start lines, 585 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,959 Speaker 1: like it's not fifty to fifty at most races. There's 586 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 1: a few, but it is growing. And so if we 587 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: just keep on spreading that web of joy and doing 588 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: hard things and you know, finding pushing your limits We're 589 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: gonna absolutely see way more women jump into these things, 590 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:03,240 Speaker 1: and I think that's really exciting for a lot of reasons, 591 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 1: but mostly just because trail running is awesome and I 592 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: want more people to experience it for sure. 593 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,320 Speaker 3: What are you looking to do more of in twenty 594 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 3: twenty four? 595 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: Always hang out with people I love more, more time 596 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: with the people that are important to me. 597 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 3: Do you foresee yourself taking on a similar year this 598 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 3: year like last year. 599 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 2: Or do you have a different type of big goal 600 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 2: on the horizon. 601 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 1: I'm not positive yet. I've definitely had the time lately 602 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: to brainstorm more, but I'm still kind of like, yeah, 603 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: throwing everything on the paper right now of like everything 604 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: I want to do or any race I can think of, 605 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: and then I'll start to hopefully hone in on a 606 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 1: better schedule because currently it's just not feasible. 607 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 3: How does Courtney goal set. 608 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: I'm not a huge, like concrete goal setter. Okay, Yeah, 609 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 1: I think I'm just constantly wanting to keep like learning 610 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: from what's happened before to take into the future version 611 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: of myself. 612 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 2: I love that we're going to give you an opportunity 613 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,720 Speaker 2: to offer yourself a piece of advice in just a moment. 614 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 2: But before you do, I want to ask you if 615 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 2: there has been anyone that said something over the last 616 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 2: three sixty five that really stuck with you, maybe advice 617 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 2: you've offered a sentiment after you finished a big goal 618 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 2: of yours. What advice have you received over the last 619 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 2: three sixty five that you're bringing with you into twenty 620 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 2: twenty four. 621 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: I feel like that's such a great question that I 622 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: would love to take out on a run with me 623 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: right now and like really all over you know. 624 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:57,919 Speaker 3: I mean, that's totally fair. 625 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 2: That's kind of where I remember some of the best 626 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 2: things that have happened to me, or just completely reevaluate 627 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 2: all of my life choices. So I'm going to hold 628 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,399 Speaker 2: you accountable to that, and I'm going to hit you 629 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 2: later on after this episode to make sure we get that. 630 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,919 Speaker 2: With that said, court, right now, you have an opportunity 631 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 2: to offer yourself a piece of advice back on January one, 632 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. Knowing what you know now here in 633 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, what do you tell yourself? 634 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: Oh, keep having fun. Kevin and I both like the 635 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: way we live our lives is trying to have fun 636 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 1: and enjoy be in that front seat and you know, 637 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:41,399 Speaker 1: driving the vehicle. So we usually will try to keep 638 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 1: that lens on it and just remember like life is short, 639 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: so we've got to just enjoy the moments along the way. 640 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 2: I appreciate that because what you're saying here is that 641 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 2: it's a choice, and often times, because of circumstance or 642 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 2: past situations, trauma individuals feel as though they're incapable of 643 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 2: letting fun ride first. So maybe for that person, for 644 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 2: the person who's struggling with this mindset, do you have 645 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,280 Speaker 2: any tips on how to approach it in that way? 646 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,280 Speaker 1: Fun doesn't have to be laughing and smiling and doing 647 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: silly things all the time. Like obviously we still have 648 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: to you know, pay bills and do the dishes and 649 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: the not fun things about life. But if the lens 650 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: on everything is like all of these are the moments 651 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 1: of my day, of my week, of my month of 652 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:41,760 Speaker 1: my year, like the general trend of that life should 653 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: be like joy. It should be finding those pieces in 654 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: the mundane that make us smile and keeping that in 655 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: perspective I think, which is it's not like easy all 656 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 1: of the time, but I think, you know, we get 657 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: to write our stories and so what's that story look like. 658 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so glad that we were able to catch 659 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 2: up a little bit. I love your lens, I love 660 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 2: your positivity, and I, for one, I know I'm speaking 661 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 2: on behalf of a lot of people. I can't wait 662 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,839 Speaker 2: to see what happens for you in the next three 663 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 2: sixty five. For those that don't follow along with you 664 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 2: just yet, give us your details. How do they keep 665 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 2: up with you on social best. 666 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,399 Speaker 1: Place to find me is Instagram, at Courtney. 667 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,280 Speaker 2: Dualter Amazing, I'm over, at Emilyabodi and at Hurdle Podcast 668 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 2: Another Hurdle conquered. 669 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 3: Catch you guys next time.