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Speaker 1: We want to share a good friend's podcast with you

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Speaker 1: this week, Enjoy the Truth with Lisa Booth in the

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Speaker 1: Clay and Bock podcast Network. Their images going around recently

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Speaker 1: of a foreign flag planted in Texas soil. That doesn't

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Speaker 1: paint the picture about what's going on at the southern

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Speaker 1: border right now. I don't know. What does you know?

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Speaker 1: A nation is defined by its borders. Do we have

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Speaker 1: any anymore? We're seeing, you know, August set a new record,

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Speaker 1: according to data from US Customs and Border Protection, overall,

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Speaker 1: three hundred and four thousand people detained by border patrol

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Speaker 1: at various locations around the nation. Two hundred and thirty

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Speaker 1: three thousand illegal immigrants entered through the southern border. So

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Speaker 1: we're seeing record numbers under Joe Biden. And why wouldn't you?

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Speaker 1: I mean, even from the beginning, Joe Biden sent the message, hey,

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Speaker 1: green light, come to the United States of America, so

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Speaker 1: much so that Secretary of Mayorkas back in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: one said that coming here illegally is not grounds deportation.

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Speaker 1: So we've sent the message, message is received, and now

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Speaker 1: what we'll talk to one mayor, mayor doctor Victor Trevino.

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Speaker 1: He is the mayor of Laredo, Texas. It's a city

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Speaker 1: in Webb County, Texas, on the north bank of the

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Speaker 2: So we'll talk to him about how.

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Speaker 1: Laredo has been impacted. I know that they have been

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Speaker 1: part of the bussing of illegal immigrants to New York City.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that a little bit as well. We'll

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Speaker 1: get his perspective on all of this. So stay tuned

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Speaker 1: for Mayor Victor Trevino. Mayor Trevino, I appreciate you taking

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Speaker 1: the time. I know you guys have your hands full

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Speaker 1: with everything that's happening at the southern border rate now,

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Speaker 1: so appreciate you making the time for the show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you very much. Chew. We're glad to do it.

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Speaker 1: So you were born and raised in Laredo, Texas. First

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Speaker 1: of all, tell us a little bit about Laredo and

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Speaker 1: then just talk about you know what you've seen from

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Speaker 1: there with everything that's been going on at the southern border.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was Laredo was found in seventeen fifty five.

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Speaker 3: I'm a tenth generation descended our first mayor to mas

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Speaker 3: of Loreto. So I've been born and raised here and

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Speaker 3: have been all my life here. I know what the

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Speaker 3: dynamics are here, the reality of what we live here.

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Speaker 3: We're medically underserved, and we are a community that's one

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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty miles away from any major city except

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Speaker 3: our border city. We have immigration issues here. This is

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Speaker 3: a way of life for us here at the border.

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Speaker 3: We see that every day and because of this, we

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Speaker 3: one largest port in the United States and we share workforce,

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Speaker 3: so the dynamics here are very different than anywhere else.

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Speaker 3: Were also challenged to have an area that gets about

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Speaker 3: at least fifty percent of all the products coming from

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Speaker 3: way of life is very impacted because we also have

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Speaker 3: about fifteen thousand trailers. Truck trailers pass through the border

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Speaker 3: but we are challenged with that at a local level.

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Speaker 3: We sometimes have to deal with federal problems in a

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Speaker 3: So when that comes about, we have to bring it

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Speaker 3: cause the network clumbing difficulty. So all these are things

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Speaker 2: So all these things are important.

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Speaker 1: They're all important, but we haven't really seen numbers like

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Speaker 1: under this administration, we have and seen numbers like this. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we're talking about over eleven thousand

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Speaker 3: Yes, this is something we have to be very cognizant on.

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Speaker 3: And if they're not processed, they will accumulate, and then

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Speaker 3: more than that it would be overwhelming. And of course

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Speaker 3: we received from all the border cities. We receive the

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Speaker 2: Like I said, and these are federal issues.

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Speaker 1: Have you been in touch with mayors of you know,

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Speaker 1: ego paths for instance, who are you know, sort of

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Speaker 3: We had a conference and UH and the Valley and McCallen.

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Speaker 3: It was a an advisory committee that we have on

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Speaker 3: we have the same common things that affect us.

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Speaker 2: So we have to be on the same page.

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Speaker 3: And it behooves us to be together on the same

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Speaker 3: Laredo's are processing center receiving migrants from other places to.

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Speaker 2: Be processed, processed.

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Speaker 3: So these things are things that we do at the

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Speaker 3: that that was done before. We nevertheless have to think

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Speaker 3: I have to do it. Mayor Salinas of Eagle Past,

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Speaker 3: Texas has been dealing with these situations, and we have

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Speaker 3: and we want to help whoever is in need by

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Speaker 3: we can follow with a suit.

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Speaker 1: Is there a hesitancy you know, because obviously I would

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Speaker 1: assume you know the mayors that you know, you and

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Speaker 1: least you know, close to the southern border, you know,

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Speaker 1: there is a desire for resources, There is a desire

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Speaker 1: there kind of a fear that if you know, this

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Speaker 1: and the drastic increase we've seen under Biden, that we

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Speaker 2: Actually, that is not on the top of the list.

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Speaker 3: Because the federal government is responsible for federal security of

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Speaker 3: only ask for whatever we need at a local level,

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Speaker 3: and one of the things that is reimbursement, because we

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Speaker 2: But we don't want to go there.

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Speaker 3: We want to see if the government will help, and

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Speaker 3: they should help, but if there's a shutdown, that'll just

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Speaker 3: disrupt everything. And at the end of the day, it's

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Speaker 3: not fair for local community to pay the price of

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Speaker 1: At a local level, the federal government, you know, obviously

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Speaker 1: this state's going to want resources. And then also you

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Speaker 1: know there's NGOs that are taking money from the federal

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Speaker 3: Correct, Yes, we have non governmental entities that take the

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Speaker 3: so they get funding, some funding from the federal government.

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Speaker 3: But if that funding doesn't come, if the government's shut,

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Speaker 1: The big challenge that I see is, you know, I

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Speaker 1: here are a lot of things like processing as opposed

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Speaker 1: it is not the processing, but stopping it from happening.

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Speaker 1: We already see, you know. I mean, look at New

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Speaker 1: you know, one hundred thousand migrants that have come there

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Speaker 1: a lot of us want to be hearing is not processing.

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Speaker 1: But stopping this, you know, border security is shutting it

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Speaker 2: Border security, as you said, is number one.

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Speaker 3: The thing is that one of the things that the

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Speaker 3: like back bad backgrounds, and people that are already crossing here.

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Speaker 3: They're here. You just can't leave them in the street.

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Speaker 3: We live this every day. We can't have commerce without

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Speaker 3: border security. They go hand in hand. I think immigration

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Speaker 3: reform is something that's needed, and people can solicit their

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Speaker 3: United States can be there taking applications instead of the

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Speaker 3: people having to cross hundreds of miles through treacherous countries,

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Speaker 3: through dangerous situations, cart tails and all the things they

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Speaker 2: And some drowned.

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Speaker 3: There was a little four year child that drowned a

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Speaker 3: couple of days ago from my people. I mean, these

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Speaker 1: Well, and I'm glad you pointed that out because you know,

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Speaker 1: the past administration, whatever people think of you know, Trump,

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