1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: Welcome to move the Sticks, DJ, Bucky, and our good 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 2: friend Bruce Feldman is joining us. Bruce, how you doing, Buddy? 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: Great? Good to be on with you guys. Great to 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: have you back. 7 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 3: Man. 8 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: Before we get into all. 9 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 2: That's going on and the three coaches that still have 10 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 2: their jobs, how has your fall been? 11 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: My fall has been good. Unlike the last couple of 12 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: years down the road with Big Noon, I'm in the 13 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: studio on Friday nights and all day Saturday with Chris 14 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: Peterson and Mike Hill and it's been a blast, you know, 15 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: and don't have to travel as much or at all, 16 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: and that part's been good, so I can't complain. And 17 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: it's been a fun season. A lot of craziness on 18 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: the coaching carousel, as you guys know. 19 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: But is this are we at the end, middle or 20 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: beginning of the craziness with the coaching carousel. 21 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: We're in the middle because there's been so many big 22 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: jobs that have come up open. But at the same time, 23 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: now we got to see who get who gets the jobs, 24 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: and that's why I think I don't want to say 25 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: we're at the beginning, but I definitely don't think we're 26 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: at the end of it. 27 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 3: That's so crazy, is so interesting. So from here you've 28 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 3: been in this world a long time. Like what do 29 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 3: people on insight say about the craziness that goes on 30 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 3: about the care sale, Like the coaches that are in 31 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 3: the middle of it, Like how do they handle the 32 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 3: heightened expectations and the shortened patients when it comes from. 33 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: The High East as it relates to job evaluation. Yeah, Bucky, 34 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: I think the thing that changed it as much as 35 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: anything is Kurt Signetti goes to Indiana. Hardly anybody outside 36 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: of like you know, small diehard football people knew who 37 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: he was, took over a three win team and a 38 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: year one he got him to the playoff. And year 39 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: two there's a bunch of people, myself included, who think 40 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: he has a look a legit chance to win a 41 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: national title at Indiana. Now, it helped that he took 42 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: a bunch of really good players with him from James Madison. 43 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: But I think when people look and go, wait, that's 44 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: Indiana and he did this in a year, you have 45 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: no excuse. You know, in year four at LSU or wherever, 46 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: you know, whatever year it is, because you definitely have 47 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: more history, you know, better stadium, better talent pool to 48 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: recruit to. And I think because of that, and people 49 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: look at the money involved with these coaching contracts and 50 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: I think, you know, kind of a subplot of this 51 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: is when you have like two or three coach agents 52 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: who represent almost the entire field, it makes it more complicated, 53 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: right because I think the agents have so much more 54 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: leverage in this space than they do let's say, as 55 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: you know, you know agents would if you're a player. 56 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: It's just a much different dynamic. And I think because 57 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: of that, you comple all those things and there's just 58 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: not enough. There's just not enough candidates to fill the 59 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: jobs now that are going to be open. And I 60 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: think what goes into it also is there's a bunch 61 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: of schools that are like, we can't hire that guy. 62 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: He's too he went from a small school, or that 63 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: guy feels kind of like this guy, even though they 64 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: probably have very little in common actually in how they are, 65 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: but just their profiles might be similar in terms of 66 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: they were a group of five guy where they came 67 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: from this place. You know, it's just you're really trying 68 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: to threat a needle. I feel like if you're an 69 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: ad trying to do a coaching search, now there was. 70 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: A lot there, Bruce. The first thing I wanted to 71 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: hit on was the Indiana portion. So and people say, yeah, 72 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: they brought a lot of good players with him last year. 73 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: They had two draft picks, a fourth rounder and a 74 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: seventh rounder. So it wasn't like this, you know, some 75 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 2: of these other transfer portal years where we've seen I 76 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: go back all the way to the first one, which 77 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: was probably Michigan State, where it's just you know, you 78 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: get Kenneth Walker and like some you know, stud players 79 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: that came in there. He's got some good players, but 80 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: obviously speaks to the coach that he is. And I 81 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: know they'll have more more picks in the years to 82 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: come here. But who is the I'm not gonna say 83 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 2: who the name of the coach that people are chasing, 84 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: but who is the profile that they're chasing? Is it 85 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 2: the trying to find the next Signette? Is that the 86 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: next Dan Lanning? Like what is the most popular profile 87 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: that they're that they're looking for right now? 88 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: The bell of the ball on the coaching carousel's Lane 89 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: Kiffin right, because he's having success in the SEC. He 90 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: is an offensive guy. He's got a big social media presence. 91 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: Not to say that people are like, ooh, pining after that, 92 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: but fans want that that edge to them, you know, 93 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: especially if you're at Florida or at at LSU. I 94 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: don't think it's much of a thing at Penn State, 95 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 1: but certainly all miss wants to keep him. But the 96 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: way you frame that question, I think there's a lot 97 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: of people who would love to get Dan Lanning, but 98 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: he's probably not leaving or again, you. 99 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: Know, but not like I'm not saying like the coach itself, 100 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: but saying like, who is the next Dan? Are we 101 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: trying to find the next Dan Lanning? In other words, 102 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: an assistant that's he's at a high profile place. Are 103 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 2: we trying to find the next Signetti? Maybe someone who's 104 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 2: been a head coach but has been building up levels, 105 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: Like what is the profile not so much the person 106 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: the individual, but what's what's the popular profile or chase? 107 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if you're trying to build up like 108 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: there's a guy who replaced Signetti at James Madison, Bob Chesney, 109 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: he's spent you know, he's still in his mid forties, 110 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: but spent a long time as a head coach at 111 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: holy Cross, has done well, has done well at James Madison. 112 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: I suspect he will get a power for head coaching 113 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: job this cycle. He might get Virginia Tech if James 114 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: Franklin doesn't want it. I don't know where else he 115 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: could be in play. I'm sure he'll get some consideration 116 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: for Penn State. He's a Pennsylvania native. It is a 117 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: big jump, but you know, Signette's off the board for them. 118 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: Matt Ruhle, who's close to the ADA at Penn State, 119 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: he's off the board. So they're gonna don't want to 120 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: say they're going to reach for somebody, but they're going 121 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: to probably hire somebody who definitely didn't win anywhere near 122 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: as many games as James Franklin has at a high level. 123 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: So there's there's that In terms of the coordinators. You know, 124 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: will Stein is a name he's actually on Landing staff 125 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: that I think he will probably get a really good job. 126 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: I don't want to say sooner than later, because I 127 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: know he has a good job right now and I 128 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: don't think he will be the guy who's going to 129 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: jump into just any group of five head coaching job. 130 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: But he was a former Louisville quarterback, then was a 131 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: Texas high school coach and did well at UTSA, and 132 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: now has done really well at Oregon. But he's younger, 133 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: and I think he knows all right. Am I going 134 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: to follow the Kenny Dillingham route? Well? Kenny Dillingham went 135 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: to his alma mater, which is a which is still 136 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: a pretty big job, but it was down when he 137 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: took it at Arizona State. So I think will Stein 138 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,679 Speaker 1: is one of those. Colin Klein obviously was a terrific 139 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: player in college. Now he's A and m's offensive coordinator. 140 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: He's definitely drawing a lot of interest. I don't know 141 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: if he ends up at Arkansas. I don't know if 142 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: he ends up at Oklahoma State, but I think those 143 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: are places that are definitely looking closely at him, you know, Bruce. 144 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 3: It's interesting because Mike Olko is getting a lot of 145 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 3: conversation right because he's at text In and I'm doing 146 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 3: a fantastic job with them, but they still feel like 147 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 3: he needs to level up. Like people are talking like 148 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 3: he needs to level up. Why would anyone want to 149 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 3: leave Texas a and M. When it appears they have all 150 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 3: the resources in the world to fund a championship run 151 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 3: year after year after year. 152 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: It's a great question, right, because you got all those 153 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: things are true. But you know, when someone's first year there, 154 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: it was actually the first year they were in the SEC. 155 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: They finished top five and it was the first time 156 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: in a half a century that they did that. Like, 157 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: there's been just feels like a lot of underachieving at 158 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: A and M. Right, and then Jimbo went there and 159 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: there was one pretty good year, but the rest was 160 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: a big disappointment. Elko is a Northeast guy from New Jersey, 161 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: did terrific at Duke and has done you know, and 162 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: I feel like this is just the beginning for him 163 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: at A and M. Like they've been super impressive. They 164 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: look I'd be curious what you guys think of this, 165 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: But just like sitting there watching games with coach Pete, 166 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, they look like they're the fastest team 167 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: on the field every Saturday. You know, you have a 168 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: quarterback that way, you have dynamic running backs and receivers 169 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: and they get after on defense. I could see Penn 170 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: State being a man. Could we get that guy? You 171 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: know like and he is a Northeast guy, and he 172 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 1: worked at Notre Dame as a defensive coordinators comme at 173 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 1: some high academic schools. So I think if you're a 174 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: Penn State man, that would be a if you could 175 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: get him. I just don't know if you can get 176 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: him out of college station because they have a ton 177 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 1: of money. They obviously had enough money to throw that 178 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: money at Jimbo and then throw it even more when 179 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: they realize it wasn't going to work. I mean, when 180 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: nobody else thought you could, you could have such a 181 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: massive buyout and eat it. So I don't know. I mean, 182 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if he sits there and goes, you 183 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: know what, I'm pretty close to to maybe even this 184 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: year getting over the top, but next year will probably 185 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: only get better. So I don't know if he's if 186 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: he's movable, but I could see Penn State certainly being interested. 187 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: If I'm LSU, I'd be interested in them. 188 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: I want to ask you about two guys who I've 189 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 2: never met. Either guy, but I've been impressed with the 190 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 2: jobs that they've done. And you do hear their names 191 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: Floater for some of these gigs. But Brent Key Clark Lee, 192 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 2: tell me about those two guys and what they you know, 193 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: the job that they've done, But what the the allure 194 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: would be for those guys for some of these huge jobs. 195 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, what they have in common is they're both out 196 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: there alma maters and that that probably adds another piece 197 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: of whether you can get them out of those jobs. 198 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: But like in Brent Key's case, it's a cool story 199 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: where this guy, you know, was a Georgia Tech offensive 200 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: line guy. It was a long time Georgia O'Leary protege, 201 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: was at UCF. At one point we thought he was 202 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: going to be the next coach at UCF. That didn't 203 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: work out. You know, he worked for Saban at Alabama, 204 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: he was the interim and then and at interim at 205 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: Georgia Tech and ended up they played so hard for him. 206 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: They you know, he got the job and he's done 207 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: really well. And he's got a quarterback in Haines King, 208 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: who by the way, started his career at A and 209 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: m coach's kid who seems to fit what they want right, 210 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 1: And you just can't. You have to be impressed with 211 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: them if the first time you really paid attention to 212 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: them was when they were in like the fifteen overtime 213 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: game Thanksgiving weekend against Georgia, and they had George on 214 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: the ropes, you'd be like, all right, I'm I'm a believer. 215 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: Like he's made smart hires too, like his OC buster Faulkner, 216 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: who'd been a good OC at smaller schools and then 217 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: was on Kirby's staff and kind of knew how to 218 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: kind of knew the secret to the sauce to like, oh, 219 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: what's going to give Kirby's defense some problems? Let's build 220 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: that And he did. So I think that that's a 221 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: really impressive deal that they have going there. And I 222 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: could see, you know, Penn State certainly will have interested 223 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: in him. I heard LSU does whether he wants to 224 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: leave or they can get him to leave. That's another 225 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: story with Clark. Lee was the guy that you did 226 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: a really good job as a defensive coordinator. He ended 227 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: up getting the Vandy job, that's his alma maters from Nashville. 228 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: They chose him over Lance Lightpold, who had way more 229 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: experience as a head coach, and for a while it 230 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: looked like they chose raw because Lance Lightpold was working 231 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: miracles at Kansas and Clark Lee had a couple of 232 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: two win seasons, but then he made a really shrewd 233 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: move by hiring Jerry Kill and Tim Beck from New 234 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: Mexico State. They told him, hey, we got this quarterback who, Yeah, 235 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: you might not think he looks like much, but he's 236 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: special and Diego Povey is absolutely that And it was 237 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: a program changing move. And I think they made some 238 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: other really shrewd evaluations, not just in players but in staff. 239 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 1: And it's worked and they have a chance to be 240 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: a playoff team. What I think there will be a 241 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 1: little bit of, you know, wonder about is how much 242 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: is this is pave in the New Mexico State guys. 243 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: Are we going to be able to recreate this going forward? 244 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: And I don't know the answer to that, but I 245 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: know this, like, they are a legit threat to make 246 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 1: the playoffs this year, and they got a lot better, 247 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: and I think he's created a really good culture. And 248 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: you know, I think, as a college football fan without 249 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: a dog in the fight, you're kind of hoping these 250 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: guys stay where they're at because I just think it's 251 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: good for the good of the sport. When when you 252 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: see that as opposed to oh, they just I want 253 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: to say, chase them more, the more money, but go 254 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: for go for that as opposed to like, hey, this 255 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: is their schools. They've they care about it, they're invested 256 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: in it, and they can build something that. You know, 257 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: Georgia Tech won a national title like probably before Bucky 258 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: was in the end. No no, no, no right. 259 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 3: No no no no, no no no no doing that national 260 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 3: title year the only team that they could not be 261 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 3: with a North Carolina tour. We tied them that year 262 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 3: because they were chars and couldn't go for it. I 263 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 3: think it was ten ten my freshman year, my richter 264 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 3: for my sophomore year. Yeah, so no, I know all 265 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 3: about it. 266 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: Ramlin Wreck from Georgia Tech. I was trying to give 267 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: you credit for being younger than that, but you know, 268 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: but you have a humble brag that you've earned, so 269 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: we'll go there. But yeah, it's it's been a minute 270 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: for the Yellow Jackets, whereas Vandy, except for like a 271 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: couple of years when James Franklin was there, has been 272 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: atrocious and He's and Clark Lee's made him relevant. 273 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: I want to continue that thought you mentioned, James Franklin. 274 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 2: I want to ask you questions about that, we'll take 275 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 2: a break. We'll come right back with Bruce Feldon. All right, Bruce, 276 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 2: you mentioned James Franklin. It seems like I don't know 277 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 2: if if you've reported this out there, but that all 278 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 2: the buzz seems to be Virginia Tech. If he wants 279 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 2: that it's his, But then you know, is he's sitting 280 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 2: there waiting for Florida to see what you know, what 281 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 2: happens there, or is Florida State gonna pop or any 282 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 2: other changes that might happen. I'm not gonna ask you 283 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 2: where he's gonna go. I was just gonna ask you, 284 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 2: someone who's followed James Franklin, who's had a lot of success, 285 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 2: where do you think the best fit for James Franklin is? 286 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: I think it might be Virginia Tech, to be honest. 287 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: And that's like he's kind of on the clock from 288 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: what I've heard in our reporting that and I don't 289 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: know if he has through the weekend. And then if 290 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: it's like, hey, are you waiting on Florida State, because 291 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: that's what it sounds like he's doing, is do they 292 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: fire Mike Norvell at Florida State. It's definitely a bigger 293 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: job than the one in Blacksburg, but I think he's 294 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: got a lot of connections around there. His right hand guy, 295 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: Michael Hazel, who was with him at Penn State and 296 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: then went with with Brent Pride to Blacksburg. He knows 297 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: the lay of the land and has more intel on 298 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: what's the job really like in Blacksburg than probably any 299 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: coach will have it. It's a pretty good job. It's 300 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: is it a great job? I mean, at one point 301 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: it was under Frank Beemer, but I think because he 302 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: had put so much into it. I don't know if 303 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: if you're James, do you sit there and go Okay? 304 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: If I don't jump on this job because I want 305 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: to see what's going to happen at Florida State, and 306 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: if it doesn't open up, well Maryland, where I used 307 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: to work, might open up. I'm in the big ten 308 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: because there's definitely pressure on Mike Loxley. From what I've heard. 309 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: You know, they're on a big losing streak and they 310 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: actually have a really good freshman class in College Park. 311 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if you can keep them. The quarterbacks good, 312 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: the edge rushers are really good. But I think that's 313 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: what makes it so hard as you're trying to figure 314 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: out where the dominoes are going to fall. And going 315 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: from Penn State where he built it up and the 316 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: expectations were crazy, I just think those other jobs. I'm 317 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: not saying there's not any pressure in Blacksburg, there's not 318 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,359 Speaker 1: any pressure to be in the football coach at Maryland 319 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: Florida State is a different animal. But that might be 320 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: a place where he could thrive, you know, because we 321 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: know he can recruit and we know he can develop 322 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: really good athletes and really good players. The question was 323 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: always like with the exception when Joe Morehead was the 324 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator when Tracey McSorley, who he did about who 325 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: did bring with him? You know, he was from basically 326 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: his recruiting class at Vandy, but like they didn't. It's 327 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: been kind of under really underwhelming at quarterback for him, 328 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: you know, over the previous decade or so there. 329 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 3: Versus I got to ask you because we're on the 330 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 3: West coast and Ashley, we'll get to UCLA. But I've 331 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 3: never seen this happen before. How does the interim coach 332 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 3: get fired after one game at Oregon State? Like, how 333 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 3: does it even happen that you're the interim coach and 334 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 3: after one game you get let go. I've never seen 335 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 3: that happen. 336 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think when dysfunction breeds dysfunction, right, that's the 337 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: best way I could say it. And you know, right now, 338 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: I definitely feel for the both those programs, one in 339 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: Corvallis and one in Polman, just because you kind of 340 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: got left, you know, out of countryside. Yeah, And I 341 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: think it's hard with the players and hard, you know, 342 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: like Jake Dickert did a really good job in Pullman 343 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: to keep it together before ultimately he bailed to go 344 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: to Wake Forest, which is not an easy job either. 345 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: But I just think that that's the challenge, especially if 346 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: you're in core ballas you got, like Jonathan Smith's there 347 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: and it's a Zama mater and then even he's like 348 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: and everything was good until it was like I can't 349 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,479 Speaker 1: do this anymore. And then he goes to East Lansing 350 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: and now it's like they don't want him there, so 351 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 1: he hasn't been there two years. It's just that's kind 352 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: of the nuttiness of college football right now. 353 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 2: I want to see, real quick, we'll hit a couple 354 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 2: player questions and let's just scoot. But quarterback wise, Dante 355 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 2: Moore and Mendoza, what are some of the maybe the 356 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 2: personality or character stuff on those guys. We've seen the 357 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 2: play that they've had this year at Oregon and at 358 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 2: Indiana and the job they've done. But two guys which 359 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 2: we see almost all the time now, didn't start there, 360 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,719 Speaker 2: have gone from a different come from a different school. 361 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 2: But what have you learned about those guys, maybe more 362 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 2: so as people than what we've seen as players. 363 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: Mendoza I think came into the year with, you know, 364 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: more of a track record because he played a lot 365 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: more than he was older, and I think he won 366 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: over some people. Well, I'll be honest, there's still a 367 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: handful of people I talked to who are there's stuff 368 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: they aren't that thrilled with about him, you know, and 369 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: maybe they're wrong, but I think there's still a little 370 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: bit of hesitation on him. Yeah. He he probably makes 371 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: enough plays with his legs, and I think they do 372 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: a good job with that. I don't think he's Josh 373 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: Allen athletically or anything close, but he's able to be 374 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: more effective with his legs than I think people initially 375 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: would have given him credit for. You know, how he 376 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: is as a leader. I mean again, this is his 377 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: first year in the system. There, I think that's a 378 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: little TBD of how he fits in the locker room 379 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: kind of thing. But he's been very impressive. You know, 380 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: you look at the drive last week against Penn State. 381 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: Penn State still has some really good defensive players, and 382 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: he gets sacked on the it's allowed as a massive 383 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: you know, three and five or three and six or not. 384 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: When that place is rocking, I don't care if they're 385 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: they're you know, six and three, three and six. That 386 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: was a loud Hey we're gonna get We're going to 387 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: take down a top five team here. And Zaine Durant, 388 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: who's an explosive edge rusher, sacks him the first play 389 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden like ooh, it's bad, and 390 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: then he leads him downfield. His receiver, Omark Cooper Junior, 391 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: makes an amazing catch, you know, to cap off the drive. 392 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: But he made a couple of really good throws on 393 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: that drive. And he also I give him this. When 394 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: they were at Oregon, he threw a pick six and 395 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 1: I felt like, oh, here it goes. They're gonna lose 396 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: this game, and they didn't. I mean it wasn't just him, 397 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: but he played a big role in it. So, like 398 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: I said, I've I've heard from you know, people inside 399 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: football who were just kind of like, not huge believers. 400 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: It's not super twitched up. 401 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 2: I mean, I think that might be one kind of 402 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 2: the little bit of the knocks there. 403 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that I think there's a little 404 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: maybe a little other some hesitation, you know, if you 405 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 1: ask people that may come up in the combine. Nothing 406 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:58,719 Speaker 1: nothing like oh his resume wise or legal wise, just 407 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: like maybe the yel of how he fits kind of 408 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: things maybe gives some people some pause. With Dante Moore 409 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: way less sample size, he's much younger. Unfair to say this, 410 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: but like when he played against Penn State again, Penn 411 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: State has some athletes on defense, I was like, ooh, 412 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: and it was on the road. He was much more 413 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: athletic and made more plays with his legs than I 414 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: think myself and a lot of people expected because he's 415 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: not a dynamic He's not Jackson Dart or anything like that, 416 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: or certainly not Lamar, but his arm talent's high, high level. 417 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: You saw that he made one great throw last week 418 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: to get to beat Iowa. It was an amazing throw 419 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: and that's what he can do. You know, everything I've 420 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: heard from people I trust inside Oregon is he's not 421 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: coming out. He doesn't. He wants to. He saw the 422 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 1: Jalen Jaden Daniel's path and not that he plays like 423 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: Jayden in terms of like dynamic dual threat guy, but like, 424 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: I'm to keep getting better, I'm going to get a 425 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: lot of reps. And I think that's what he does. 426 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 1: And I think he stays next year. And look, I 427 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 1: think Oregon's going to make a big financial commitment to 428 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: make sure he can do that without much hesitation. So 429 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocked if he was a top five pick 430 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,719 Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty seven NFL draft. I mean, arm 431 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: talent's high, high level, and I just think physically he'll 432 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: just keep getting stronger. And you know, again, there's not 433 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: like I don't think he's like a super twitchy athlete, 434 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: but he's you know again, it's unfair to say he 435 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: could be CJ. Shroud, but you know. 436 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 2: Cej had some smoothness to him like Stroud from what 437 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 2: I've seen of him too, kind of remind me a. 438 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: Little he does, and he's I feel like, you know, 439 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: Bucky You know c J. Stroud party better than anybody 440 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: I know because you coached him at a young age. 441 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: Like ce Strout was obviously a really good basketball player 442 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: and he was super accurate. I don't know if Dante's 443 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: as athletic, but he's also like I don't know anybody 444 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: looked at CJ and was like, oh, yeah, he's going 445 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: to really beat you with his legs at that point. 446 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: But he against Georgia, he gave them problems with his 447 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: athleticism and it was like it's there, he just doesn't 448 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: He just didn't want to break the glass on it 449 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: too often. And credit to him because you know it 450 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: was there when he needed but he didn't want to 451 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: major in it. I think Dante's like that too, but 452 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: probably not as athletic. 453 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 3: You know, the name that pops up as the little 454 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 3: engine that could has certainly been the kid at Alabama 455 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 3: Tyd Simpson. What do you know about him? Like, just 456 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 3: what has been the story? Why has he been able 457 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 3: to kind of pop this year for killing the boy? 458 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: Uh? Coaches kid? You know his coaches as a high 459 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: level FCS coach who's developed a lot of guys and 460 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: I think his he's made dramatic improvement from last year 461 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: to this year and really from the spring till now 462 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: in terms of like what can he do? Like when 463 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: you talk to Ryan Grubb, it was like mid spring, 464 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: it was like not smooth. All of a sudden, Now 465 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: it's like he's cut it loose and he is playing 466 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: at an incredibly high level. And it's not like they 467 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: have a run game to help them out. Now they 468 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: do have good dynamic receivers, but I think Grub was 469 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: obviously the guy who helped Washington get to the National 470 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: title game with Michael Pennix junior, And there's a little 471 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: bit of similarities there, you know, I mean, good receivers 472 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 1: and a high level passing game and a guy who's 473 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: playing with a ton of confidence. That's great stuff. Man. 474 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 2: Last one, Bruce, I'll let you're on. We want to 475 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 2: circle back to coaches real quick, and let's go instead 476 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 2: of going, you know, at the college level, let's look 477 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 2: at what could potentially go on at the NFL level 478 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 2: if we you know, we're gonna have NFL openings. You 479 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 2: already have some out there. So when you look into 480 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 2: the future, is there a college coach that you see, 481 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 2: You know, there's been rumors with Sark, There's been rumors 482 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 2: with Lane. There's been even some talk Kirby maybe wanting 483 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 2: to take on another challenge. Do you see any of 484 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 2: these college guys leveling up when we get this NFL cycle? 485 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: The one that might I could see somebody looking at 486 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: and he's been in the NFL before. Maybe somebody kicks 487 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: the tires on Lane. Do you have interest? Is this 488 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: the situation you would want? Lane's gonna have some stuff 489 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: to think about with the way things are going in 490 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: Old Miss. Obviously Florida, maybe lsu are gonna it's definitely 491 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: Florida would be, you know, come after him. But he's 492 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: got a good situation in Old Miss. You know, I'd 493 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: heard there was like a legit interest from the giants 494 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: in Marcus Freeman, but I also heard from people around 495 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman that he did not have any interest and leaving, 496 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: So you know, Lane would be the one. And I 497 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: think one thing to keep in mind is guys who've 498 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: never been in the NFL, like we we definitely learned this. 499 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: If you didn't learn it by then with Urban, like 500 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: if you've never been in the NFL, and oh, it 501 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: is such a different animal, especially because It's like you 502 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: think you know a lot when you actually know don't 503 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: know anything right when it comes to that world, like 504 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: Harball different. Harbough's been fifteen years as a player. I 505 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: think he was on the Raider staff for a minute 506 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: and then when he goes to the Niners, he crushes it, 507 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: you know. And Pete Carroll, you know, obviously people know 508 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: him from USC but he was an NFL assistant for 509 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 1: a long time before he came back. So I just 510 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: think it's like the guys who have profile too, he's yeah. 511 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: I mean, he wasn't a great offense coordinated with the Falcons, 512 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: but he was there for a couple of years. You know. 513 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: My hunch on Sark is that if he has interest, 514 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: it's not going to be for this year. I think 515 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: he knows he has a roster that should be even 516 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: better next year. The whole offense or most of the 517 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 1: offense should come back. It'd be year two for arch 518 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: in the system, a lot of the offensive line be 519 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 1: year two for them. And the other part of that 520 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: for him is he would you know, I like, his 521 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: best defensive player is an edge rusher who can't come 522 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: out till twenty twenty seven, So maybe you just like 523 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: push pause. And I've always heard he wants to win 524 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: a national title of Texas and probably has a better 525 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 1: chance of doing that next year than he does this year. 526 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 3: Last guy John summerl from Tulane kind of has a 527 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 3: little bit of age to him. I would think that 528 00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 3: he would be a natural fit at LSU. I know 529 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 3: they they're aiming maybe for a bigger fish. Talk a 530 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 3: little bit about the two lane coach. Yeah, I think 531 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 3: he's the guy. 532 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: That if you don't know him and you spend ten 533 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: minutes talking to him, you like, ooh, I like that guy. 534 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: He's a dude, you know it was a former SEC linebacker, 535 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: was a former SEC assistant coach at Old Miss in Kentucky. 536 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: Everybody who's around him comes away Raving did a really 537 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 1: good job at at Troy, has done a good job 538 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: at Tulane. I think he will probably be offered the 539 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: Auburn job at some point. You know, he's an Alabama native. 540 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: You know. I there's no job in college football that 541 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, I wouldn't you know if LSU. 542 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: I don't think they would hire the two lane coach 543 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: just for the optics of the money. People at Tulane 544 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: would be uncomfortable with that. But you better, you better 545 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: get a really good coach if you if you don't 546 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: think that guy fits the profile of what you want, 547 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,959 Speaker 1: like like he's one who if who. I think if 548 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: they get in the room with him him, they may 549 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: change their mind. You know, again, he doesn't have He 550 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: is a pretty good team at TWU Lane. You don't 551 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: have a great team. You know. They'll probably go nine 552 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: to three, maybe ten and two. I don't know if 553 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: they can sneak in the playoff. They had the bad 554 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: loss on Thursday night, on a Thursday night against UTSA. 555 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: But I just think he is the guy who one 556 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: of those guys who has like rising star coach written 557 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: all over him. 558 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 2: Well, I've been impressed with what I've seen of him. 559 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 2: I said that was done. But on this week one 560 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 2: last final one, young Lincoln Riley, do you buy any 561 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 2: of that chatter? 562 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: I don't. I just you know, I know his family 563 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: really likes it out here, and I don't think he's 564 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: going to like just give away a ton of money. 565 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 1: You know, is he going to go to Stillwater. It's 566 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: not like the job at his alma mater is going 567 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: to be open. Joey maguire may get a top five 568 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: finish in the you know spot in the playoff bracket 569 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: at Texas Tech. So I don't, you know, I don't 570 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: know what what Lincoln's move would be like. He's also 571 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 1: got like his best recruiting class. 572 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 2: On the whole come in thet most of the team, 573 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 2: if the quarterback comes back too. They've got a lot 574 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 2: of good young players on that team. Freshman and sophomore 575 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 2: is playing a lot of minutes. 576 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,719 Speaker 1: They do, you know Again, Like everything I've heard is 577 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: that his family really likes it out here. I just 578 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: think you've been through a couple of years. I don't 579 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: know what his next move would be like, but I 580 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: think he has a better chance of having a playoff 581 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: team in twenty twenty twenty six. I mean, they still 582 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: have a chance to get in there this year. I 583 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: don't think they will, but like it was a step 584 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: in the right direction. So let's see what, you know, 585 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: what he can do right now, because I don't know 586 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: if there's a lot of people already out on Lincoln 587 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: around USC anyway, But that doesn't mean, you know, if 588 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: he gets more players and continues to upgrade him with 589 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: a lot of playmakers. I mean, it's pretty amazing what 590 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: they've been able to do. The top two running backs 591 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: are out and King Miller's a walk on running back 592 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: who has been amazing for them. And I think that 593 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: piece of it has been really impressive because I knew 594 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: Mikhaia Lemon and Jacobe Lane are pretty special, but to 595 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: see what they've done in the run game given all 596 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: the injuries, is you know, he deserves credit for that. 597 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: That that was not something a lot of people saw coming. Well. 598 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 2: I envy the money that Cam Come was gonna get 599 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 2: USC next year. The kids from Auburn got Lee, get 600 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 2: somebody you can throw that guy at the football's. 601 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: Too good looking at. 602 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 2: An athlete to be sitting out there, or the team 603 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 2: that can't throw throw the football. All right, Bruce, you 604 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 2: are the best brother. We appreciate your time, man, and 605 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 2: we'll get you on here again soon. 606 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: My pleasure. Thank you, guys. 607 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 2: All right, Buck, there he goes. Bruce is very generous 608 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 2: this time. We appreciate that. 609 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: By the way. 610 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 2: That yeah, that Auburn receiver. Man, he's like the A. J. 611 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 2: Brown of college football. Man like. 612 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: Man, he just wants to feel. A J. 613 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 3: Brown is some interesting yeah, I understand Tracy, but I've 614 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 3: never seen Hey. 615 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: You got Fox. 616 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 2: We're gonna do that tomorrow's episode, so we'll get to 617 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 2: that tomorrow. 618 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: We appreciate you, guys. 619 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 2: Hang On's hope you enjoyed our buddy Bruce Feldman as 620 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 2: we look at some of the craziness of the college 621 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 2: coaching carousel. We'll see you next time. Right here on, 622 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 2: move the sticks.