WEBVTT - Part Two: The IWW and the Hobos Who Saved Free Speech 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:03.560 Hello, this is cool. People did cool stuff. Have your host, 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:09.320 Margaret Killjoy. Robert Evans is our guest. Ert. Oh, Margaret, 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:16.320 we have a good time, laughter, fun stuff, mean comedy. 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:19.560 I love a podcast. You know what I love most 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:22.720 about podcast, Margaret? Why do you love that Podcast, Robert? 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:26.360 The fact that every single person can make a six 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:29.520 figure living from podcasts if they just pay fifty eight 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:34.720 hundred dollars for our two day inspirational convention meeting at 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:40.199 the Airport Ramada in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Not the Marriott anymore. No, 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:43.280 they kicked us right the funk out. Margaret, I'M gonna 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:45.559 be honest with you, I was just taking the deposit 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:48.919 money to spend on delatted. Well, I mean, how else 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.760 are you gonna get delotted exactly? Doesn't grow on true, well, 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:54.440 it does grow in a plant, kind of, but then 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:57.000 they have to do stuff to it to make it delotted. Yeah, 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:01.280 those people deserve a living wage. Yes, I actually am 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:04.560 here to represent all of the different painkillers, except for coding, 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:09.080 which have unionized in order to demand more of them 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:12.840 be given to me. Yeah, it's a beautiful showing of solidarity. 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:19.399 Hydro Code Own the latted and Sophie okay, yeah, Sop 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:25.240 Hi Ian as our audio editor. Hello, Ian on woman, 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:27.760 wrote our theme song. Hello on woman. You probably not 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:31.679 his name. What if you are? I like to live 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:33.840 in that world. I like to imagine that when you 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:36.479 shout out those people after shouting out sophie and I, 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:39.039 but they're here too and responding, and you're choosing to 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:41.479 cut their voices out of the show as a power move. 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:43.760 Oh yeah, I mean they're on the zoom call right now. Yeah, 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:46.560 they are. They're on every zoom call, which is kind 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:48.920 of weird that we make on women beyond every zoom call. 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:51.400 It is, but you know, I mean, if a woman 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:54.040 wants a podcast, she's got to put in the time 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:57.760 and she also has to start taking our patented magic berries, 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:04.279 just seventy three dollars a day, which increase your vitality. And, uh, 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:12.680 chemicals or chemicals the VF CO? Yeah, yeah, and so, okay. 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:15.600 So today is part two in our seventeen part series 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:19.280 discussing George ramorrow's classic nine one film night writers. Now, 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:23.359 my favorite part of the movie, Margaret, is when he 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:25.720 beats the ship out of his friend nearly to death 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.160 with a series of medieval weapons for trying to stop 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:31.000 him from fighting while he has a serious lung injury. 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:33.800 Ed Harris, we're talking about Ed Harris. Yeah, and character 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.840 of the George Ra merrow film night writers. It is 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:39.480 a consensual fight. I will say it is. All of 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:45.760 the fights are consensual. Police officer. Yeah, I kind of 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:49.160 consented by having been a bastard earlier. If you have 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:51.679 not watched the nineteen eighty one George Ra merrow film 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:54.240 night writers, which I had not until last night, you 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:58.679 wowe it to yourself or this podcast is about the 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:02.600 spokane free speech fight and the IWW and free speech 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:06.000 fights more broadly. Where we last left our heroes, they 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:10.920 were mostly in jail, but now they're gonna win, which 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:12.400 is it's not every week I get to tell a 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:16.600 story where the good guys win. Yeah, this section is 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:21.600 called the victory. It's not even ironic. In the end, 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.000 news about just how awful spoken was and just how 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.400 corrupt the city was and how brutals cops were and 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:29.080 all that got around and like cops actually managed to 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:33.760 get fired or asked to resign just over how public 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.720 because they were always this brutal right, but this whole 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:39.600 campaign actually paid brought a lot of attention to what 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.720 was happening and media across the country was just like 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:45.520 talking ship on Spokane, and Spokane was not happy about it. 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:48.200 The taxpayers in the city weren't happy about it because 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.360 they were paying a thousand dollars a week to house 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:55.560 all the Hoboes, about dollars today. And workers and other cities, 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:59.400 including other unions, not just the IWW, started boycotting everything 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:04.320 produced by the spokene merchants Um and also lawsuits from 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.920 the wobblies and other cities. Other folks in the city 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:09.360 just started piling up against the city because they would 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:12.560 do things like bring out fire hoses and spray people 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:14.960 fire hoses and stuff, which is like an unpopular thing. 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:18.640 Most people prefer not to be sprayed with fire hoses Um, 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:22.200 and some people sue about it. Other unions started showing 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.960 up in solidarity the Western Federation of Miners and court delaine. 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:28.719 They were among the people refusing all the goods coming 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:32.039 out of spokane, and the local AFL actually started getting 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.200 on board. Eventually they voted unanimously to demand the speech 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:39.240 band be revoked. The local media, besides, like one conservative paper, 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:44.080 was supporting them. About twelve thousand townspeople were represented in 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:47.160 court through various people, saying this is bullshit, like get 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:51.200 rid of this fucking bullshit, like bring back free speech. Hm. 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:55.400 And in March, about six months, in five months in 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:59.320 the city is beat. They revoked the ordinance, they released 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:02.800 the prisoners. They provoke the business licenses of more than 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.880 half of the different employment agencies, the ones that they like, 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:09.359 consider to be sketchier, the city considers to be sketchier. Unfortunately, 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:12.800 this actually leaves most of the major players, but it 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:15.560 does allow, well, want people to organize it against them 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.600 more effectively. And then also like there's just other ways 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:23.279 to get jobs besides being sold fictitious jobs. Yeah, and 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.320 the conspirators, however, they're still facing time right because their 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:31.440 charges weren't just disorderly conduct, they were conspiracy to break 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:35.039 a law or whatever. The governor actually pardoned them. And 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:37.720 the governor pardoned them because the I W W was 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.720 like hey, you should let our people go, and the 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:43.640 city was like no, we don't want to. There their criminals, 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.400 and I ww is like should we just do all 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:50.360 of this again? Should we just bring everyone back here? 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:54.839 And the cities, like the governors, like let's pardon you, 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:59.640 and three of the worst cops were forced to resign, 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:02.040 despite their protests. They were like, we don't want to resign. 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:06.520 They're like you're resigning. And maybe, most importantly, more important 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:08.760 than even the job buying show, as far as I'm concerned, 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:12.600 women's rights organizations, both radical and mainstream, sympathetic to the 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.360 wobblies and ones that fucking hated the wobblies, forced the 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:18.279 jail to hire a matron, I believe, with the purpose 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.359 of ending the sex slavery that was happening in the jail. 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:24.280 And a final note on the A F l, the 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:27.640 Racist Union. There was a major split between the leadership 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:30.680 and the rank and file, Um, which is a good 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:34.560 argument for everyone's leadership. Like in the WW, the A 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:38.200 F L heads like they were like hell yeah, this 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.159 this free speech fight. It's going to destroy the wobblies, 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.400 like thank God, because you know they're competing for the 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:47.440 same workers, right. Um. The rank and file, however, just 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:50.720 poured money and support into the free speech fights, and 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:53.280 a ton of them, like the shingle makers union, just 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.120 quit the A F L and affiliated with the wobblies instead. 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:01.280 And then, after everyone out of jail, this part is 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.719 left out of every history I've read except one random 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:08.080 note in one of the People's like this guy who 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.360 was part of it in the nine he's like writing 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:12.320 about it in the fifties and he throws it in 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:15.040 at the end after everyone gets out of jail, someone, 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:17.720 somebody just kills the chief of police with a shotgun 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:22.280 in the street and the murder is never solved and 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.239 the judge who had convicted all the wobblies, the judge 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:29.000 you hated the wobblies. He's like, you know, that cop 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:33.880 had a lot of enemies. It really couldn't anyone. And 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.240 throughout the entire fight there was all kinds of other 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:38.920 sabotage and stuff happening. The wobblies were like, no, that's 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:43.280 not us, it just seems to happen when we're around. Um, 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:45.640 it was almost certainly wobblies who were doing this stuff. 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:49.160 They were smashing out the windows of employment agencies and 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:52.240 at one point, as far as I can tell, again, 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:53.640 this is like one of those things where it's like 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:58.320 included in a random note from the time that a 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:03.240 train car with like seven the arrested wobblies derailed, uh, 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.080 and the wobblies were blamed for it, but no one 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:07.920 was actually specifically blamed for it. But like, I guess, theoretically, 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:09.560 like someone was like, I know how to free everyone 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:12.520 off that trail jail car, I will just derail it. 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:16.440 But officially the IWW only takes credit for the civil 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:19.640 disobedience and and it's a kind of a beautiful and 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:23.800 interesting method of diversity of tactics. They only claim certain actions, 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.200 but other actions are happening. And the other most interesting 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:28.880 thing that might have to do with how they funded 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:33.560 the entire thing at one point. Well, during all of this, 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:35.760 all of the cops in town are busy dealing with 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:39.800 the wobblies and so, quote, thieves reaped a bounty in 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:43.480 the suburbs Um, and so the I W W might 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.079 have had some clever ways how to fund the free 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:49.720 speech fight. They engaged in thirty of these fights, as 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.319 you were talking about earlier. Right. They saw this replicable 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:59.520 tactic and they just replicated it between nineteen sixteen. There 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:03.520 are free each fights in the United Canada, Mexico, Panamahiti, 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:13.400 no uh, Seattle, Vancouver, Missoula, Fresno, San Diego, San Pedro, Aberdeen, Seattle, again, Winachie, Wallah, Walla, Everett, 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:21.520 Sux City, Mobile Denver, Grand Junction, Paterson, Newcastle, old forged, Duluth, Minneapolis, Victoria, superior, 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:25.560 Kansas City, another city named Aberdeen, New Bedford and Minnotte 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:31.160 or Mino. Yeah, these are a lot of areas too 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:33.920 that you wouldn't today. You would never think that there 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:37.959 would be like progressive protests of any kind there. Oh yeah, 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.200 I mean like Spokane, Washington is not where I would 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:43.440 like go to get vegan food, you know. I mean 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.559 if you're a Vegan and spokeane, I'm sorry, and certainly 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:49.559 you wouldn't imagine spokane is like the nexus of like 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:54.600 a national hand Labor Solidarity Movement fighting the cops. Yeah, 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:58.079 that's like specifically anti racist and like and I mean, 0:09:58.080 --> 0:09:59.640 and that's one of the things that's so interesting about 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:01.240 this period. Right, you're talking about all of these fucking 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:05.800 lumberjacks and ship which is not normally who you immediately 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:07.439 think of, especially if you live on the east coast. 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:09.800 Not a normally normally who you think of when you 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:12.760 think of leftists, you know. But I also think part 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:14.960 of that is because because it used to be actually 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.800 like there's a reason Blair mountain. Blair mountain didn't fucking happen. 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:19.760 Battle of Blair mountain wasn't a bunch of people who 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:22.600 lived in like inner city New York or whatever, right, 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.040 like it was. It was a bunch of fucking colass 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:28.880 miners in the middle of goddamn nowhere, Virginia. Um, yeah, 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:31.360 West Virginia. Well, I I don't, I don't, I don't. 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.959 I don't consider the other Virginia to be real. Um, no, no, 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:41.240 there's West Virginia and and then the Atlantic Ocean starts. Uh, 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:45.840 I'm a Richardson Rich Richmond, Richmond truther. I kind of 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:48.080 botched that joke by botching the name of the capital 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:51.560 of the wrong Virginia anyway, but no one of the 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:54.640 like missing. I don't know. I would like to see 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:57.760 this done. Well, I I say this knowing we should 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:00.560 probably do something on this. But how this south was 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:05.880 conquered by the reactionaries? Like, how? Not Not just the south, 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:07.960 is the only to put this sorry. How Rule America 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:12.640 was conquered by reactionaries? Um, because that was the fact 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:15.719 that it is now, quote unquote, read. Is Not the 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:18.960 way it always was. Nor was it inevitable that it 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.920 would go that way. Yeah, absolutely, and I don't think 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:25.000 it needs to stay that way either. You know, that's 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:28.680 a critical postscript. Yeah, I put all my my a 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.439 t M S and one basket a t M, a 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:33.400 T v S. I don't even own a TV. I 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:35.000 live on enough land that I should have an a TV, 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.040 but I don't. But yeah, no, I mean as yeah, 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:41.720 as someone who lives rural, I like I hate this conception. 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:44.440 You know that everyone who lives rural is right wing 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:46.920 and and everyone who works with their hands as right wing. 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:53.400 Is the the worst thing we've ever ceded to the right. Um, yeah, Yep, 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:55.480 but I'm gonna talking about some more of these free 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:59.480 speech fights. Unfortunately, you get kind of diminishing returns with 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:03.720 a lot of replicating tactics. Right, and the fight in 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.880 Fresno is the most important of these next fights. So 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:10.400 the fight in Fresno, frank little, who is the guy 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:13.200 who trolled by reading the Declaration of Independence Up and spoken? 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:16.679 He'd been organizing, quote unquote, unskilled fruit workers in the 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.679 San Joaquin Valley. Then a contractor tried to build a 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.079 damn but he couldn't find any exploitable workers because the 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.960 I W W had been organizing everyone, and so he 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:26.800 threw a big fit because he was like, but I 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:32.040 want to exploit workers. And so by May the COPS 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.760 started breaking up by W W meetings and arrested wobbly's 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:38.280 for vagrancy, which is a really weird law when you 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:44.680 think about it. Vagrancy, you're not allowed to not have anything. Yeah, 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:48.120 you're not allowed to occupy lands that based on our 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:52.319 shared conception of the nation, you own part of right. Like, yeah, 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:54.880 you're not allowed to just like take up space. You 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:58.360 have to have a house that you rent or pay for. Um, 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.920 it's kind of you know, here in the Great State 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:04.280 of Oregon, Um one of the two right thinking states, 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:08.000 we make it illegal for people to pump their own gasoline, um, 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.560 in order so that people have to have a job. Like, 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:13.280 basically it provides this kind of constant supply of jobs. 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:17.440 They're not particularly difficult pumping gasoline for people. And in 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.719 much the same way vagrancy laws or the government being 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:24.240 like hey, landlords, now there's no alternative to you unless 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.440 you can buy a house, which, don't worry, we're gonna 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:31.560 make hard to do real soon. Yeah, yeah, so frank 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.040 little he's one of the people who gets arrested. I 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:36.240 don't know if he's specifically up on vagrancy charges or 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.559 just being a wobblier. I suspect the cops don't not. 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:41.959 They're arresting him for he telephones the wobbly's national office 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:43.920 in Chicago. I think it's like it's like phone call 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:46.679 from jail. I don't know how that really did or 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:48.640 didn't exist in nineteen ten. Yeah, I don't know if 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:52.800 you got gee because they barely had phones. I now. Um, 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:55.600 he calls Chicago. So he asked for a campaign and 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.320 then an army of thousands of Hobos from all over 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:01.640 the country bill the jail. And mainstream papers just couldn't 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.000 figure it out. Why the funk are these people risking everything? 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.160 They're traveling thousands of miles just to get arrested for 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:09.000 a cause that doesn't directly affect them? And the answers 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:13.319 that mainstream papers don't understand solidarity. Um, because this could 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.720 be you right, you know you're you're going and doing 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:18.200 this thing because this affects you as well. And so 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:21.880 they they fill up the jails, crowds gather outside, they 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:24.600 start giving speeches through the bars. The cops bring out 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:27.600 fire hoses full of freezing water and they, the people 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.440 inside the jails, put mattresses up against the windows and 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:33.640 then like reach out to scream and tell like speeches 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:35.520 out to the crowd outside before they get sprayed with 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:37.760 hoses more and they don't stop until the ice water 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:42.720 is knee high in their cell. Finally, March Eleventh, nineteen eleven, 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:45.320 more fucking hoboes just keep coming and the city gives 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:50.720 up and restores free speech and lets everyone go. And 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:52.920 and there's all this like stuff that we're gonna talk 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.200 a little bit about. When sometimes they use violence, the 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:58.400 I W W using some violence and other labor unions 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:02.800 in particular using some violence. But and so people whenever 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:05.080 they use violence as this big fucking deal. But then 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.440 the like and some of their rhetoric was very, you know, 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.200 militant or whatever. But the other side was saying all 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:14.240 kinds of ship about them. Like specifically mainstream papers would 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:18.160 say things like editorial for the San Diego Tribune said 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.280 hanging is none too good for them. They would be 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:24.800 much better dead, for they're absolutely useless in the human economy. 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.680 They are waste material of creation and should be drained 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:30.320 off into the sewer of oblivion, there to rot in 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.840 cold obstruction like any other excrement, which is a very 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:37.360 poetic way of saying we're gonna liquidate you and murder 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:42.200 everyone you've ever met. The Fresno Herald and Democrat, which 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.800 is the name of a paper printed for men to 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:48.720 come here with the express purpose of creating trouble. A 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:51.520 whipping post and a cat of nine tales, well seasoned 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.120 by being soaked in salt water, is none too harsher 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:57.920 treatment for the peace breakers. So they've they've given it 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:00.320 some thought about all of the things that they want 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:05.360 to do to the Hobos, much like Ed Harris, the 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:10.320 actor guy with himself he did. This movie doesn't include 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:13.320 a naked Ed Harris, who is like thirty in a 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:16.680 snack in this movie, by the way, whipping himself one 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.560 handed with a read while waiting naked into a lake. 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:24.000 It's pretty good. More than once, more than once, George 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:27.080 Romero really needed you to see that. Yeah, yeah, and 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:32.960 George Romero is right. MHM, the San Diego Fight, uh, 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.960 that happens in and none of these things are happening 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.960 in a vacuum. Right. Um, the Labor movement had been 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.240 fighting fucking tooth and nail for decades. At this point 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:44.680 in the US, in southern California, the International Association of 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:47.600 Bridge and Structural Iron Workers, who are thankfully just called 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:50.960 the I w. they're they're no one to funk with 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:56.040 this particular union. Their their job, these bridge and structural 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.840 iron workers involves dynamite, so they have a lot of dynamite. 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:05.119 So their protests involved dynamite. Iron workers were generally unskilled 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:07.080 and treated like ship and they're fired all the time. 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:12.480 They're treated like seasonal labor, and so the fighting over 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:16.159 unionizing these shops is so fierce in Los Angeles that 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:18.439 the I w blew up a total of a hundred 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:21.439 and ten iron works between nineteen o six and nineteen eleven. 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.959 It is it is represented as the largest domestic terrorist 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:31.120 campaign in US history, although in a hundred and ten 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:35.080 bombings of non union workplaces, they injured or killed zero people. 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:38.960 And they were one of the last unions of any 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:42.080 power in Los Angeles. San Francisco is a huge labor hub, 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.960 but basically Los Angeles wasn't and the Anti Union Rich 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:48.120 Fox were too powerful that down there, including the Los 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:50.760 Angeles Times, which was like run on a very anti 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:55.639 union platform. They went on strike for they wanted fifty 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:58.679 cents an hour, which is about thirteen dollars or so today. 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:03.280 The government respond wanted by banning pickets. The strikes continued anyway. 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.800 The city government about five picketers were arrested for free 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:10.800 speech violations, for picketing and the I W at the 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:14.520 time they had this guy named Herbert Hockin, who was 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:17.960 in charge of organizing the dynamiting. Like your official union 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.879 organizer Job is, you're the guy in charge of, Um, 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.760 blowing things up and which is a good job. But 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:30.879 if you want a good job you should try podcasting. MHM, podcasting, 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:33.400 the thing you can only do if you spend seventy 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:37.920 two dollars for a one day conference at the Airport 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:42.200 Hilton in Milwaukee Wisconsin. The Airport Hilton in Milwaukee Wisconsin 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:44.440 the only place that would let us hold a convention. 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.920 and Um, who is a? WHO's providing the tax? But 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:51.560 that I can't remember. Um, well, it's B Y O B, 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:56.720 but we do take outs per day for meals, my 0:18:57.000 --> 0:19:01.119 my meals. Yeah, well, I have meals. I have a 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:07.040 rare I mean you're I have a rare where if 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:11.960 I if I don't wrap, filet Mignon and original copies 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:15.240 of the United States Constitution. Um, I get I break 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:18.320 out in hives and that that's pretty intrensive. There's not 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:22.240 a lot of those left. I've eaten most of them. Yeah, 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:29.320 and also these other advertisers. And we are back and 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.840 we're talking about how union seems to have jobs, like 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:35.280 the guy in charge of dynamite. For us, the problem 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:37.680 is is that when you have a traditionally organized union, 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:39.880 has leaders, etcetera, and you put one guy in charge 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:44.280 of the dynamite in and he goes corrupt, like Herbert 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:49.119 Howkin was corrupt, it's really bad. He starts embezzling the 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:52.600 dynamite money and instead of putting it into dynamite, he 0:19:52.680 --> 0:20:01.080 puts it into himself. So that's okay, yeah, fair enough. 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:03.680 He'll come back into the story in a little bit. 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:07.720 And so they decide that the l a times needs 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:10.159 to get got because they are printing too many anti 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:14.159 union things and they need a good dynamiting but they 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:16.639 don't trust Herbert Hackin anymore. They're starting to figure out 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:18.680 that if you give that guy money for dynamite, you 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:21.359 don't get nearly as much dynamite as you want. So 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:25.119 to Socialist Irish American brothers, the McNamara brothers, and they 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:27.560 have basically the same name. One's Jj and one's JB. 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:31.120 I'm just gonna call them the McNamara brothers. You didn't 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:33.240 know if your kids were going to live very long then, 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:35.000 so if you felt like you had a good name, 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:36.600 you could give it to like three of them at 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:41.119 a time. Yeah, I think pretty conscient problems like the 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:45.239 same fucking name, m hm Um. And they're like all right, well, 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:47.040 we're in the I W W, and I mean not sorry, 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:49.960 not the I W W, the regular I w the. 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:55.280 And they're like we've got this, we can do the dynamiting. 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:57.840 One of them is the conspirator who helps organize it, 0:20:58.080 --> 0:20:59.920 and one of them is the bomber. The younger brother. 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:03.560 He gets he gets the bomber job. He puts sixteen 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:06.199 sticks of dynamite in a suitcase, he sets it up 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:07.879 on a timer to go off at one am on 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:11.640 October one and he puts it near some flammable INC 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:15.879 at the printing press at the UM L A times. 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:19.560 He then gets on the next train out of town 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:21.760 for San Francisco. So he isn't around when the bomb 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:24.280 goes off. Oh and before that he also set bombs 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:27.840 at two people's houses, the Anti Union Times editor and 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:31.080 the guy in charge of the Anti Union, the merchant 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:34.600 and Manufacturers Association, the thing, like the other thing where 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:39.760 all the people get together and fight unions. But, Robert, 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:43.320 did you know that there's a downside to explosives? Well, 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:45.919 I've heard this, Margaret. I mean I would say that 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:48.119 the clearest one is that when you use them, you 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:51.520 can't use them a second time, which is really the 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:54.520 great which is why I'm working on when I opened 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:57.160 up my Willy Wonka style bomb factories of the world, 0:21:57.400 --> 0:22:01.359 we're working on the everlasting gob stoppers of e four Um. 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:03.920 The only problem is that when we tested them out 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:07.600 last time, uh, they kind of created a sort of 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:10.840 gray goo apocalypse situation in which they continue to change 0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:13.960 of detonations that ended all life. To cut the multiverse 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:15.800 to a different times we did. We had to carve 0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:19.119 out a multiverse Um. But you know, you can't make 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:21.919 an Omelet without killing, you know. But but in the 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:24.200 old one we all got to drive around hot dog trucks. 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:27.120 It was it was awesome. Oh, and climate change wasn't 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:31.000 a thing every yeah, when we jumped into this one 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:34.320 we were quite surprised because those hot dog trucks were electric. 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:38.000 Is Ship? Um, yeah, this one's worse than every way. 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:40.600 There's also a Great Britain in this one, which seems 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:42.760 like a real problem. I thought that was a joke. 0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:45.840 There really oh no, no, it's real. Yeah, so did I. Wait, 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:49.800 do they have it? Wait, do they have a queen? Yeah, 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:53.720 they share too, which is really funny, because the actual 0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:56.720 whales with rules all of Western Europe in the original 0:22:56.760 --> 0:23:01.600 timeline has a has like a joke Queen on holidays, Um. 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:06.160 But but here the Real Great Britain. Um, it's just ridiculous. Anyway, 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:10.080 sorry for the gob stopper bomb that killed the good universe. 0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:12.320 It's okay. Well, if Great Britain no longer has a queen, 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:15.360 you know that we've hopped into a different timeline. So, yeah, yeah, 0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:18.840 which means the gob stoppers went wrong again. We're still 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:22.800 tweaking those bad boys. Yeah, Um, don't don't worry though. 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:24.880 I mean, you know, the Nice thing about this universe 0:23:25.119 --> 0:23:27.720 is that there were an extra twelve good seasons of 0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:31.440 star trek the next generation. So unless the Queen recently 0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:35.439 died in the universe, your inhabit. Go Watch. Really, season 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:38.640 sixteen is when the show sir. Absolutely. Yeah, I don't 0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:44.400 want to give any spoilers. So the NAMARA brothers, they're 0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:48.160 playing with explosives, and the problem with playing with explosives, 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:51.960 besides changing timelines. Well, actually the problem is changing timelines. 0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:55.680 You often change to a timeline where the wrong people die. Uh, 0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:58.120 and this is what happened this time. They set these 0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:01.520 bombs up and they set it up near a gas maine. 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:04.320 So their manage, they're trying to like destroy some property 0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:06.840 and like stick it to the man and be like, 0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:09.240 you know, hey, we blew up part of your printing 0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:12.840 press and no one got hurt. They they destroy the 0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:15.920 entire building and a hell of fire because the gas 0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:18.920 mate explodes and catches on fire and the building burns down. 0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:21.239 And the other thing that they didn't know, because they 0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:24.200 didn't do their fucking homework, is that there were newspaper 0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:26.040 workers there that night because they were putting out a 0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:28.160 special edition of the newspaper because of like some horse 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:31.320 race or something. And so they blow up the entire 0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:36.560 fucking three story building. They Killed Twenty one people. Um, yeah, whoop, 0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:38.520 but OOP. No, this is. This is not the cool 0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:42.400 people doing cool stuff part of this, and they as. 0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:45.639 As for the bombs that they put outside the assholes houses, uh, 0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:48.760 they wound the timers too tightly and they took too 0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:51.840 long before they went off and they were safely discovered 0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:55.640 and disarmed. It didn't take too long to track down 0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:59.239 these brothers. The younger brother, the bomber. He confessed as 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:01.159 part of a plea deal that got him life in prison. 0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:05.080 But basically the plea deal was my brother doesn't get 0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:08.159 life in prison. Um, he's like. I will say I 0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:10.679 did it all. You give my brother fifteen years instead 0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:13.200 of life in prison and you took that deal and 0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:17.080 his confession. He said it was my intention to injure 0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:19.760 the building and scare the owners. I sincerely regret that 0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:22.639 these unfortunate men lost their lives. If the giving of 0:25:22.680 --> 0:25:25.240 my life would bring them back, I would gladly give it. 0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:31.040 And that trial basically, or that bombing rather basically, killed 0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:33.919 the L A labor movement for about forty years. So 0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:39.520 note to self other people. The older brother, he gets 0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:41.680 out of prison, he goes right back to labor organizing 0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:46.359 the the younger brother, dyson, dies in prison and yeah, 0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:48.720 bombs don't always work like you think you're going to work. 0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:51.520 Uh Oh. And the guy who had been running the 0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:54.680 bombing campaign prior Hawkin, the one who is in Bezzling, 0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:57.639 it turns out he had been a paid informant for 0:25:57.680 --> 0:26:03.280 the business association, the entire tie him. Oh, cool. Yeah, 0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:06.040 on the other hand, he didn't testify against the McNair 0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:08.960 NAMARA brothers because, at least according to a New York 0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:12.640 Times article from that from back then, he was like, basically, 0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:15.520 are you kidding me? If I testify, the unionists will 0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:17.960 literally murder me. There is no way I will testify 0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:21.880 against them. Um. So even his paid informing only went 0:26:21.920 --> 0:26:24.840 so far. This is not the I W W that 0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:27.359 I was just talking about. The I w not to 0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:30.000 be confused, but the reason it's important to what we're 0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:33.040 talking about is this is the context that, less than 0:26:33.160 --> 0:26:37.520 a year later, the wobblies step into and the wobblies 0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:41.840 go to San Diego for a free speech fight, UM, 0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:47.640 which also it turns out, and back me up on this, Sophie, Um, 0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:51.520 San Diego is not part of Los Angeles. It is 0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:54.360 not part of Los Angeles. Yeah, which is interesting because 0:26:54.359 --> 0:26:56.159 I thought, well, we call it West El a, a 0:26:56.160 --> 0:27:01.520 lot back in Los Angeles, which, because it's south, farest 0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:04.919 the far South Bay, it is. It is two to 0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:11.200 three hours south of Los Angeles. Great Food. Great San Diego, 0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:16.639 better known as Little Sacramento. No, nobody says that. It 0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:22.280 is a lovely place. That is very expensive. But in 0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:31.320 Sonatas nearby, yeah, the the can't, can't understate food. Excellent. Yep, 0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:36.440 and that's where they went, southern California. The food. Yes, 0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:39.240 it is not a great place to be. A union 0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:43.600 organized around this time in Jan San Diego is like, 0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:45.400 you know what, fucket, let's not even let them talk. 0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:48.240 And they banned free speech in midtown, all of midtown. 0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:50.920 Ostensible reason is the same as it always was. Public 0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:55.520 gatherings might block traffic. In fact, the actual event that 0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:58.639 will be familiar to modern listeners that sparked the entire 0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:01.680 thing is when rich asshole tried to run his car 0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:05.680 through a crowd of protesters. The crowd stopped him and 0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:09.000 slashed his tires and he was like, dear the state, 0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:12.840 I was prevented from driving my automobile through a crowd 0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:18.040 of people. Please make the people not exist and the 0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:22.080 states like yeah, that's true. So a free speech league 0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:26.600 forms and it's not full of all right types. It's anarchists, Socialists, wobblies, 0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:29.280 most of whom are anarchists or Socialists, and then some 0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:31.320 of the less radical unionists from the a f l, 0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:35.879 and then the single taxers, who are really interesting. I 0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:38.240 only halfway understand them. They're kind of somewhere between a 0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:41.120 libertarian and a socialist, but not in a libertarian socialist way. 0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:45.280 They're like free market combined with strong welfare state. I 0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:48.160 think so. I guess they're the no, they're not really 0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:50.400 all right at all. They're actually just their own weird wing. 0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:53.600 That thing, the I W W in San Diego had 0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:55.880 already been around for a while. Their big success was 0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:57.760 that they had organized the Mexican workers of the gas 0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:00.760 and electric company a few years earlier. But of course 0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:04.080 many of the radical Mexicans left in San Diego left 0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:07.560 in to go back to Mexico to fight for that future. 0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:10.920 Friend of the pod of the Mexican revolution, two thousand 0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:13.040 or five thousand of them, depending on who you ask. 0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:16.400 They go off marching in defense of the band. Right 0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:18.280 away they're like, oh, we're not to march fun. You 0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:21.360 were marching hundreds of them wind up in jail. They're 0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:24.080 facing felony conspiracy charges. I think hundreds of them are 0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:27.520 facing felonies conspiracy charges. And then when people try to 0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:30.840 have solidarity demonstrations, they're broken up by future friend of 0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:33.160 your pod fire hoses. I feel like there's got to 0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:36.520 have been fire hoses on your podcast. I mean we've 0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:40.720 talked about definitely protesters getting ye with fire hoses. Yeah, yeah, 0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:43.880 and this leads to one of the more interesting okay, 0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:46.000 so basically, like all right, the wobblies are like, all right, 0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:47.280 we know how to do this thing right, and this 0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:50.080 time it's not just them, but they are a huge 0:29:50.120 --> 0:29:51.760 part of it, and they're like, all right, we know 0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:53.280 how to do this. We're gonna get hoboes from all 0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:56.920 over the place. And so a hundred and twenty hoboes, wobblies, 0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:02.000 ride trains down from Portland, Oregon, and they make it. Yeah, 0:30:02.160 --> 0:30:04.080 they get to the Oregon California border, where they get 0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:07.280 to Ashland and they're like, oh, ship, we'll get busted 0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:09.600 by the train cops if we keep going. I think 0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:11.760 even though the union workers on the trains were like, Oh, 0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:14.480 you'll get busted if you keep going. So they get 0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:17.880 out and they start walking. They walk through a snowstorm 0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:22.680 in the mountains. They walk two miles on foot and 0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:27.080 they're like a self organized small army on the March. 0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:30.040 They have different committees, they have doctors with them, they 0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:32.680 have security, there's people up ahead scouting for like train 0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:36.080 lines and ship locals give them money and food. They 0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:38.920 hold rallies everywhere they go. It basically becomes this tour 0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:42.280 walking around being like this is what's up, and they're 0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:44.160 spreading the word of the eight hour work day, which 0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:47.120 is still not actually one by this point. They're talking 0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:48.960 about how decent labor conditions are, only not such a 0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:53.000 really one by this point. Eight. Yeah, what are you 0:30:53.040 --> 0:30:55.280 talking about? I didn't wake up at seven to work 0:30:55.320 --> 0:31:00.719 one job before working on this job. Yeah, and so 0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:03.600 and they're this fucking Hobo army and their off restore 0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:08.560 free speech in California. But they they got the timing wrong. 0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:12.360 Walking two forty four miles, it takes a while when 0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:14.840 you go through the mountains. By the time they get 0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:19.560 to Chico, the fight is over. Ah, and now they're 0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:23.280 in Chico, which just makes it worse. I know, that's right, 0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:26.920 that's right. Chico Yeah, I think our publisher is based. No, 0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:28.960 it's it's a nice it's a very nice place. I 0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:31.600 mean it's doomed because of the fires, but it's very pretty. 0:31:32.400 --> 0:31:37.320 Unlike that's safe place. Um, yeah, yeah, wherever you live, 0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:40.480 that's certainly a safe place. Don't worry. Yeah, yeah, totally 0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:44.920 nothing to worry about. Just listen to history. So or 0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:48.440 make your future as a pocket note. Okay, so, but 0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:50.520 there's still plenty of people who come from all over 0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:53.520 the country and pour into San Diego, and they all 0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:56.600 get arrested, as is the plan, and the conditions in 0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:59.720 jail are fucking terrible, as is what everyone's used to. 0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:03.000 People are sleeping on concrete floors, there's no beds. At 0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:05.480 least one of the arrestees dies from lack of medical care. 0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:09.440 And then something worse happens that will also be familiar 0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:14.440 to the modern, modern reader, listener. Whatever. Capitalist Vigilante groups 0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:17.720 start patrolling the streets, made up of random citizens and 0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:21.600 off duty cops, and they start kidnapping people and beating 0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:24.200 the ship out of them and leaving them outside city limits. 0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:28.920 They even, like a mainstream newspaper, sides on the side 0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:32.400 of free speech for some odd reason, and so these 0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:35.040 vigilante groups like kidnapped the head of the newspaper and 0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:36.800 beat the ship out of him and take him out 0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:40.479 of town. Friend of the pod Emma Goldman, shows up, 0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:43.720 the anarchist orator and free speech activist, and here's what 0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:47.080 she saw. The vigilantes rated the I W W headquarters, 0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:49.200 broke up the furniture and arrested a large number of 0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:51.640 the men they found there. They were taking to Sorrento 0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:54.760 to a place where a flagpole had been erected. They're 0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:58.000 the iwws were forced to kneel, kiss the flag and 0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:02.000 sing the national anthems. The incentive to quicker action, one 0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.200 of the vigilantes would slap them on the back, which 0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:07.640 was the signal for a general beating. After these proceedings, 0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:10.400 the men were loaded into automobiles and sent to saint 0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:13.920 on free near the county line, placed in a cattle 0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:16.840 pen with armed guards over them and kept without food 0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:19.880 or drink for eighteen hours. The following morning, they were 0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:22.000 taken out in groups of five and compelled to run 0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:25.520 the gauntlet. As they passed between the double line of Vigilantes, 0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:29.080 they were belabored with clubs and Black Jacks. Then the 0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:32.520 flag kissing episode was repeated, after which they were told 0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:35.320 to hike up the track and never come back. They 0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:39.040 reached Los Angeles after a tramp of several days, Sore, hungry, 0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:45.640 penniless and in a deplorable physical state. That wasn't very nice. 0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:50.280 Emma Goldman had a boyfriend. Emma Goldman had a boyfriend 0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:54.920 who was a Hobo and a doctor named Dr Ben Reitman. Doctor, 0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:58.680 Oh God, that's a TV premise right there. Oh Yeah, Um, 0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:03.040 and actually I leave the TV podcast anarchist Hobo doctor, 0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:05.840 Dr Ben Rightman. We're still workshopping the title. Is the 0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:10.359 primary sponsor of this show? Yes, the the show which 0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:13.120 exists in one of the alternate realities that we have 0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:16.600 not ever last in Gob stoppard into an endless series 0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:19.120 of explosions. Wouldn't it be awful if, instead of like 0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:22.320 choosing all the ads based on things that we actually supported, 0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:25.480 if they were just like randomly chosen by machines and 0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:28.560 then just like Fed to our listeners? Yeah, you know, 0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:30.760 one of the realities we're going to have to jump 0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:34.520 to if this next gob stopper experiment fails does it 0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:36.400 that way. But don't worry, I'm sure we won't end 0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:40.680 up there now that would mean it went all wrong again. Anyway, 0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:48.520 here's ads that we all totally support. Care about demon okay, 0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:52.359 so a Hobo doctor, Dr Ben Right and overall he 0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:54.480 kind of has a good run of it. I don't know, 0:34:54.520 --> 0:34:57.680 I guess the day I'm a Goldman. That feels like bonus, right. Um, yeah, 0:34:57.840 --> 0:34:59.840 he doesn't have a good run of it. And Sandy 0:34:59.880 --> 0:35:04.200 A go. He was kidnapped out of his hotel room 0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:09.080 and tarred and feathered. He had the letters I W 0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:13.440 W burned into his butt with a lighter. Um. There 0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:16.600 was some sexual violence I won't get into. He was 0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:19.480 forced to kiss the flag, sing the anthem and run 0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:22.919 the gauntlet before they let him go. It's cool because 0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:26.839 right around this same period, uh, people are also doing 0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:29.839 this on behalf of Zar Nicholas, you know, beating them 0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:32.799 and carry out acts of sexual violence and forcing them 0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:35.280 to kiss the flag or kiss symbols of the monarchy 0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:38.919 and stuff. It's neat that all these bootlickers are the same. 0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:41.560 You know, I hadn't heard that and it makes just 0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:46.399 so complete sense. It's just so like, Yep, completely tracks. Yeah, 0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:51.239 that's like right after the nineteen five yeah, yeah, not 0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:55.839 that far. Yeah. And so the governor tries to send 0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:58.640 people to investigate the vigilante groups, but the city council 0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:01.360 refuses to cooperate with the investigation and they just like 0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:05.440 stonewall the fucking governor from investigating what's going on in 0:36:05.440 --> 0:36:09.360 their city, and succeed at that. The police break into 0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:12.080 the wobbly hall on May seven and they just kill 0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:15.640 a guy, a guy named Joseph Michaelish, and the wobblies 0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:17.960 drive the cops after they kill this guy. The wobblies 0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:19.600 drive the cops out of the hall with a hail 0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:21.760 of gunfire and again to a gunfight with the COPS, 0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:24.960 which is to say, non violence is and was a 0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:27.640 tactic for them, not a moral stance, like they are 0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:31.120 choosing non violently approach and try and solve these problems. 0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:35.240 But they're all also armed and ship. You know, Um, 0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:37.640 and I I want to quote from one of the 0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:41.759 arrested wobblies, Jack White. He got six months for conspiracy 0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:44.800 after the death of his fellow wobbly, and I'm literally 0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:46.359 just quoting it because I think it's cool when people 0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:49.719 say bad I shipped to court. There are only a 0:36:49.760 --> 0:36:51.799 few words that I care to say, and the court 0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:54.440 will not mistake them for legal argument, for I am 0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:56.840 not acquainted with the phraseology of the bar nor the 0:36:56.920 --> 0:37:00.279 language come into the courtroom. You have become mind and 0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:02.759 death to the rights of man to pursue life and happiness, 0:37:03.040 --> 0:37:05.440 and you have crushed those rights so that the sacred 0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:08.400 right of property shall be preserved. Then you tell me 0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:12.360 to respect the law. I do not. I did violate 0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:14.600 the law, as I will violate every one of your 0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:17.200 laws and still come before you and say to hell 0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:20.200 with the courts, because I believe that my right to 0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:22.960 life is more sacred than the sacred right to property 0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:26.040 that you and your kind so ably defend. I do 0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:28.800 not tell you this in the expectation of getting justice, 0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:31.480 but to show my contempt for the machinery of law 0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:34.320 and Justice as represented by this and every other court. 0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:41.840 And just like that, it's UH. And it's interesting because 0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:45.759 I have seen this fight depicted as a win and 0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:50.279 a loss by Wobblis and other like labor reporters like 0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:54.080 both at the time and now. Eventually, the vigilante justice 0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:56.920 started to Peter out over the summer of but it 0:37:57.000 --> 0:38:00.000 petered out because they'd driven everyone off everyone was in jail. 0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:03.680 are like fucking running scared because non violence as a 0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:06.360 strategy had been ective effective against the state, but it 0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:11.040 was not effective against the vigilantes. Eventually, I believe, free 0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:14.799 speech was restored, people were lewed out of prison. None 0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:16.719 of the vigilantes were ever brought up on charges. I 0:38:16.719 --> 0:38:18.600 think it was mostly the governor's intervention at the end, 0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:21.520 but I can't remember and I got really confusing reports 0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:24.560 and like all of the different pieces that I've read 0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:27.279 about this. So none of the vigilantes are ever brought 0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:28.839 up on charges, even though they're the ones who are 0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:31.840 doing the actual stuff. As soon as they were released 0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:34.520 they went right back to organizing, but I think they 0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:37.120 didn't really try soap boxing in San Diego after that, 0:38:37.239 --> 0:38:41.319 and so they basically at this point it's starting to 0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:43.239 not go so well and I kind of hate to 0:38:44.360 --> 0:38:46.879 go with the bummer thing, but I think the way 0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:49.920 to describe this tactic is to keep describing this tactic 0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:52.920 and see how it the diminishing returns they got for it. 0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:57.880 I'm gonna tell one more of these free speech stories. Everett, Washington, 0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:01.960 which is just north of Seattle, in late nineteen sixteen, 0:39:02.000 --> 0:39:04.400 the shingle workers union was on strike at their sawmill 0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:06.360 and I think these is it might be the same 0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:08.800 shingle makers union that had quit the a F L 0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:10.960 and joined the I W W during the spokane fight, 0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:16.279 if I'm not mistaken. UH, shingles were invented in the northwest, 0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:18.520 like literally, I used to live in a place called 0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:20.920 Shingletown in California. I don't know if it's where they 0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:23.600 were inventors, just where they get like made them the most. 0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:26.719 But like we have a I don't know, I have 0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:29.319 never been bored enough to look too deeply into the 0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:31.719 shingle industry and how it spread, but I was told 0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:33.920 by people at bars in Shingletown that they were the 0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:36.680 town that invented the shingles. Yeah, I'm certain that's not 0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:39.359 accurate because nothing I heard in those bars was. But 0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:42.000 also the town was named after shingles, so there's gotta 0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:44.080 be some history that. Yeah, and it could have been Shingleton, 0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:47.440 and I'm a little disappointed in them. Could have been here. 0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:52.280 So the Shingleton workers, well, I guess the Everett Shinglers. Yeah, 0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:55.560 the shinglers are on strike at their sawmill and the 0:39:55.600 --> 0:39:58.880 I W W starts agitating a solidarity because free speech 0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:00.840 is like not the thing the I W W is 0:40:00.840 --> 0:40:03.239 about right like it's interesting because it's like there are 0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:05.440 these huge fights, into the most important free speech fights 0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:07.279 in US history as far as I can tell, and 0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:09.279 they're like this tiny portion of the stuff that the 0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:12.960 IWW does. But they opened up a union hall and 0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:15.680 Everett and they start soap boxing and the cops are 0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:20.640 like Nope, fuck this, and instead of just like arresting 0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:22.760 them and being like Oh, we're gonna fill up the jails, 0:40:22.880 --> 0:40:24.759 they're like no, we've seen this, we've seen how that 0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:27.719 goes the cops. They cut out the vigilante middleman and 0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:30.359 they just start beating the ship out of everyone. They 0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:32.839 just start breaking their bones and throwing them out of town. 0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:37.960 So on October one wobbly show up from Seattle. They're 0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:40.520 all like lumberjacks and ship and they're rounded up by 0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:43.080 the Sheriff and Deputies and they're forced to run the 0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:47.520 gauntlet between spiked bats this time. The next day locals 0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:50.080 come to where the gauntlet had been and they're like, 0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:54.080 there's an awful lot of blood on the grass. We're 0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:57.439 not convinced that this is above board. What happened. Two 0:40:57.440 --> 0:40:59.680 thousand locals show up to a rally demanding that it 0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:02.400 all on too far. And it's another thing that I 0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:04.239 keep thinking about with all of this. It's like it's 0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:09.840 not the hobos versus the town, you know, it's the 0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:14.239 hobos versus the city government, with the town divided and 0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:18.160 mostly divided among class lines. I mean we you know, 0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:20.399 I'm saying this on the day when I think there's 0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:22.320 just been an action to try to stop the sweep 0:41:22.320 --> 0:41:26.040 of a homeless encampment like this is this is still 0:41:26.120 --> 0:41:29.520 going on and it's really easy. It's interesting the way 0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:33.680 in which these kind of like itinerant populations with little 0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:37.600 access to money, Um, but a lot of time and mobility, 0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:42.399 are used continuously in different ways, but continuously Um as 0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:44.720 a foil by the ruling class in order to split 0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:47.360 up the working class. Right, you have them as strike breakers, 0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:50.480 you have them escapegoats, but like whatever the thing is, 0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:53.080 these are people who are both easy to make use 0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:56.560 of Um in in a couple of different ways, but 0:41:56.840 --> 0:41:59.600 propaganda being one of the main ones. Yeah, they like 0:41:59.640 --> 0:42:03.880 outside agitators who have come to do everything, the outside agitators, 0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:06.520 but also the you know the reason that uh like 0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:09.239 like right now. Portland and San Diego actually are two 0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:11.400 main big cities with a problem with this. You have 0:42:11.480 --> 0:42:15.240 these in Los Angeles. You have these huge, aggressive sweeps 0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:20.840 against the homeless, along alongside speeches and advocacy by political 0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:24.040 leaders who are all backed by business associations, Um that 0:42:24.080 --> 0:42:27.160 these people need to be forced off the street, you know, incarcerated. 0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:29.759 A couple of states admitted a felony to camp outside 0:42:30.400 --> 0:42:33.320 Um and it's part. What it is is that since 0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:36.120 covid a lot of things have gotten worse. A lot 0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:38.840 of people have found themselves in more desperate, desperate straits, 0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:40.960 a lot of people have long term health issues, a 0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:44.520 lot of businesses haven't recovered, and we could blame that 0:42:44.640 --> 0:42:47.600 on the fact that all of the wrong decisions were 0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:50.799 made and supported by the people who were backed by 0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:53.760 moneyed interests in business associations and the like to respond 0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:56.040 to that pandemic. or it can be like no, what's 0:42:56.040 --> 0:42:58.040 wrong with all these cities? That there's people camping it 0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:01.240 and that's what made them danger since, sketchy and unsafe, 0:43:01.239 --> 0:43:07.400 and so we have to arrest the home. Yeah, so 0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:13.800 on November five more wobblies from Seattle head North on 0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:16.239 two passenger boats and they're singing as they go because 0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:19.240 they're wobblies and wobbly's rule and everywhere they go like dwarves, 0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:24.479 they sing songs about the Lonely Mountain Um. At least 0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:26.560 that's what I would sing if I was actually it's 0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:28.880 a hard song to sing. They mostly sank really simple songs. 0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:32.399 Some of their hits include Hallelujah, I'm a bum Ah, 0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:34.360 I'm just gonna go with that. One was one of 0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:39.080 my favorites. And so they had north on two passenger boats, 0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:43.720 Two d armed vigilantees alongside the sheriff, and I believe 0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:46.040 that they're deputies at this point. So connecting, I think 0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:48.480 it's just they call them cops along with the sheriff. 0:43:48.480 --> 0:43:50.400 They've been tipped off by Pinkerton. So I think had 0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:54.240 infiltrated the I W W and the first boat the Verona, 0:43:54.360 --> 0:43:58.440 where we lay our scene. Now then, yeah, thanks, thanks. 0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:02.400 I know one Shakespeare Um, I got it. Yeah, it 0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:04.160 was a real deep cut. I don't know if you've 0:44:04.160 --> 0:44:07.319 heard this play called Romeo and Juliet. No, but you know, 0:44:07.400 --> 0:44:10.360 you have all of the all of the real punk, 0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:15.280 you know, fringe, fringe media that's that. That's your specialty. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:17.480 The Shakespeare Guy, I feel like he's gonna blow up 0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:19.839 in a year or two. Yeah, I think so. Um, 0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:21.719 I mean, if not, we've got that time machine and 0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:25.320 those gob stoppers. We can make him blow up. Uh. Well, 0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:29.600 we haven't a couple of reality. Yeah, it's all. I 0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:32.240 mean the important thing is that he was stopped before 0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:36.319 he wrote that one play. Oh, what you do about nothing? Yeah, 0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:40.600 that glad. In most timelines. That never came out. No, 0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:49.440 that never came out. Um, and we got three sequels tonight. Writers. Yeah, yeah, Utopia, 0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:53.880 I believe we call that timeline. Okay, so when the 0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:58.040 boat shows up, the vigilantes just sucking open fire. They're 0:44:58.040 --> 0:44:59.480 just like, we're just gonna shoot the ship out of 0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:02.560 this fucking path, messenger boat. It was proven in court 0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:04.720 that they had no idea if they were shooting wobblies 0:45:05.640 --> 0:45:08.239 like they were like there's no way they would have known. 0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:12.359 They like during the trial that like went and recreated 0:45:12.360 --> 0:45:14.320 it and they were like, Oh, yeah, nope, you can't 0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:18.239 see well enough. Before they opened fire, the WOBS shot back. 0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:22.040 I think they were outgunned. When the shooting cleared, ten 0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:24.799 minutes later, at least five wobblies were dead, thirty one 0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:27.480 were injured, and on the vigilante side, two were dead 0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:31.319 and nineteen were wounded. Yeah, and the Verona turned around 0:45:31.320 --> 0:45:34.680 and sailed the fun back and they turned they passed 0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:38.400 the second boat and they were like no, no, turn around, 0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:42.440 you're just gonna get shot Um. And then when they landed, 0:45:42.800 --> 0:45:45.840 all the wobblies on board were arrested. Seventy four of 0:45:45.880 --> 0:45:48.279 them were charged with the murder of the vigilantes who 0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:55.120 had been shooting at them. The trial, yeah, yeah, the 0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:57.600 trial wouldn't last too long, though. It lasted two months, 0:45:57.680 --> 0:45:59.920 and the defense hinged on the ideas that vigilantes had 0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:04.880 and fire on randomly hint of passenger boats. Yeah, and also, 0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:08.640 once again see the haymarket episode, the vigilantes had actually 0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:12.400 shot each other because they were just shooting randomly and 0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:14.279 had like we're in each other's line of fire and 0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:17.480 were completely untrained and didn't like set up any kind 0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:23.000 of firing line. Yeah, and this, the actual shocking part 0:46:23.000 --> 0:46:26.720 of this, is that all seventy four defendants were acquitted. Well, 0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:32.480 that ship. Yeah, that actually is very um good. The vigilantes, 0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:37.000 of course, were never put on trial and the prosecution 0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:38.719 made a big fucking deal out of how all the 0:46:38.719 --> 0:46:42.200 wobblies were all evil bomb throwing anarchists and all across 0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:44.720 the country. The the iww has painted as a domestic 0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:48.319 terrorist threat, and this was, I think, the last of 0:46:48.320 --> 0:46:50.880 the iwwes free speech fights. It was basically the like 0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:54.839 you try the tactic and eventually the states like now 0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:58.279 we're just gonna start shooting you. You know, and I 0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:00.680 don't know if you knew this, but now, teen seventeen 0:47:00.719 --> 0:47:02.320 wasn't a great time to be a leftist in the 0:47:02.440 --> 0:47:07.120 United States of America. Yeah, I mean in some ways, 0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:10.120 in other ways at least, like stuff was getting done. Okay, 0:47:10.200 --> 0:47:14.440 fair enough. The the US joints World War One. Iww 0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:17.640 moved a lot of its organizing to opposing the draft. 0:47:18.200 --> 0:47:21.239 You get the first red scare, N which is kind 0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:25.239 of more your, your wheelhouse, than mine. M The the 0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:28.520 iww holds on. They're they're heavily targeted by the first 0:47:28.560 --> 0:47:30.319 green scare and it like Fox them up real bad. 0:47:30.320 --> 0:47:32.400 But they hold on. They're actually their numbers go up 0:47:32.440 --> 0:47:37.080 in the twenties but by Um, by the end of 0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:40.040 the twenties, their numbers are going down, and it's not 0:47:40.080 --> 0:47:41.759 because their message was bad. It's not even that they're 0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:45.000 organizing methods are bad, it's that they're like this is 0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:47.200 the tiniest tip of the iceberg of the oppression that 0:47:47.200 --> 0:47:50.560 they faced. And I also, don't know if you knew, 0:47:50.560 --> 0:47:53.600 the US government hasn't been historically very friendly to socialist 0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:57.240 and anarchist and communists. And then also in the twenties, 0:47:57.239 --> 0:48:00.880 the IWW how to Split, I think, where a lot 0:48:00.960 --> 0:48:03.120 of the former wildlies joined the communist party because they 0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:09.960 prefer centralization to decentralization. And but the IWW, hundred fucking 0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:13.480 years later, it still exists, it's still organizing and they 0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:16.680 still do more work with like Gig workers and other 0:48:16.680 --> 0:48:21.000 people who are harder to organize in traditional means Um 0:48:21.040 --> 0:48:24.920 and whether it happens under their name or not, I 0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:26.759 think their ideas are good. Like you know, there is 0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:30.040 a little bit of a critique of like modern iww. 0:48:30.440 --> 0:48:32.080 It doesn't have to be it. I think it could 0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:37.080 absolutely become what it once was. But it's like you know, 0:48:37.120 --> 0:48:39.239 sometimes we get caught up in our grand history and 0:48:39.280 --> 0:48:42.359 like forget about the president a little bit. Yeah, and 0:48:42.400 --> 0:48:47.160 sometimes I think like there's a mistake between reading all 0:48:47.200 --> 0:48:50.799 this history and thinking about how rad the iww was 0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:53.440 and then assuming that, like, the solution to our current 0:48:54.080 --> 0:48:57.840 like problems is to rebuild exactly that rather than to 0:48:57.920 --> 0:49:00.120 take lessons from which is not to say like, know 0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:01.640 a bunch of people who are in the I W W. 0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:04.200 They do great stuff. Um, it made a lot of 0:49:04.239 --> 0:49:06.880 things easier for freelance journalists, but they're clearly not the 0:49:07.000 --> 0:49:10.640 organization still that was doing all this right. They just aren't, 0:49:10.719 --> 0:49:13.799 and that's that doesn't mean that they suck or I 0:49:13.840 --> 0:49:17.360 hate them. It just is like, yeah, let's we gotta we. 0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:20.200 The solution is not we need to make one big union. 0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:22.000 The solution is we need to take the things that 0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:25.560 worked from the I W W and figure out something else, 0:49:25.680 --> 0:49:27.960 because at the end of the day, all of this 0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:33.560 stuff is only successful by degrees and margins as opposed 0:49:33.600 --> 0:49:37.319 to accomplishing the goals that they, the people at the time, 0:49:37.320 --> 0:49:38.719 would have told you, is where they would have wanted 0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:44.320 to be. Yeah, and that doesn't mean it's a failure. 0:49:44.360 --> 0:49:47.240 Nothing ever works out the way. That is the dream, 0:49:47.400 --> 0:49:50.600 except for our eventual GOB stopperer explosion. Right. Well, it's 0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:52.440 just it's always a Fu back and forth. You know, 0:49:52.520 --> 0:49:56.880 it's like and yeah, and they successfully. I mean like 0:49:57.400 --> 0:50:00.160 it's hard for me to conceptualize what free each in 0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:02.560 this country would look like without this right if like 0:50:03.040 --> 0:50:05.920 thirty different cities who had tried to pass you know, 0:50:05.960 --> 0:50:07.920 and I mean cities, still do this all the time. 0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:11.200 There's still like weird free speech zones and limitations on 0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:14.799 public assembly and yeah, it's a constant fight, but it 0:50:15.080 --> 0:50:17.280 but it continues and I think that they set back 0:50:17.360 --> 0:50:19.560 the forces of Mordor or whatever for a very long 0:50:19.640 --> 0:50:23.120 time by doing its fighting. I don't think it's cool. 0:50:24.520 --> 0:50:26.120 And I will say one thing that the I W 0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:28.640 W does currently that I haven't seen anyone else do that. 0:50:28.719 --> 0:50:30.799 I think it's just like if there's like one thing 0:50:30.840 --> 0:50:34.880 that I'm just like absolutely full support, there's the incarcerated 0:50:34.880 --> 0:50:41.240 workers organizing committee, which is prisoners organizing their own labor 0:50:41.480 --> 0:50:46.200 as like prison labor, and it's fucking awesome. Yes, Um, 0:50:46.239 --> 0:50:48.520 it is very cool. The I W W is still 0:50:48.600 --> 0:50:54.080 very cool. You may find use in them and that's good. Um, 0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:59.040 they're they're they're pretty fucking dope. I have yeah, so 0:50:59.480 --> 0:51:03.440 I don't know, go up. People can donate to that. 0:51:04.239 --> 0:51:06.799 I bet that's a good way to sign off. But 0:51:06.840 --> 0:51:09.080 if you look up, I walk, you know the incarcerated 0:51:09.080 --> 0:51:14.399 workers organizing committee. They do really stuck amazing stuff. They've 0:51:14.400 --> 0:51:18.239 put on a ton of like prison strikes, Um, and 0:51:18.280 --> 0:51:20.480 just draw attention to the fact that like, and you know, 0:51:20.520 --> 0:51:23.560 we're starting to have right now. A bunch of states 0:51:23.560 --> 0:51:25.319 have on their ballots. I'm speaking out of my ass 0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:26.840 a little bit, but a bunch of states have on 0:51:26.880 --> 0:51:29.560 their ballots like let's get rid of the loophole where 0:51:29.600 --> 0:51:31.560 you're allowed to force people to work just because they're 0:51:31.560 --> 0:51:35.080 in jail or whatever. Yeah, and you can in fact donate. 0:51:35.239 --> 0:51:38.080 You can go to incarcerated workers dot org and there's 0:51:38.480 --> 0:51:40.719 a donate now button, or you can go to incarcerated 0:51:40.880 --> 0:51:44.960 incarcerated workers dot org slash donate. Yeah, right there. And 0:51:45.000 --> 0:51:47.240 that is one of the amazing strengths of that ww 0:51:47.360 --> 0:51:50.480 is that it's not it's not coming on from on high, 0:51:50.560 --> 0:51:52.560 you know, like it's people on the outside and the 0:51:52.600 --> 0:51:57.080 people on the inside are coordinating together to organize these things, Um, 0:51:57.239 --> 0:52:01.320 rather than it just being like some something that's telling 0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:04.440 prisoners what they should do or whatever. But if you're 0:52:04.440 --> 0:52:09.280 not in prison, you should go out and buy Robert's book, 0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:14.120 because Robert is an author. That's right. It's called after 0:52:14.160 --> 0:52:16.879 the Revolution Um, a thing that a lot of people 0:52:16.920 --> 0:52:20.440 at the I W W we're talking about also, albeit 0:52:20.760 --> 0:52:27.720 with less cyborgs, when they were talking about it. Probably Sophie. 0:52:27.719 --> 0:52:29.239 Do you have anything to plug? We're at the end 0:52:29.280 --> 0:52:34.080 of the episode. By the way, I ww good people. Huh, 0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:38.200 listen to behind the bastards. It's hosted by Robert Evans's 0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:46.360 maybe it's a good show. That's all I got. All right, thanks, everyone. 0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:57.200 Talk to you next week. 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