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Speaker 1: Hello, this is cool. People did cool stuff. Have your host,

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Speaker 1: Margaret Killjoy. Robert Evans is our guest. Ert. Oh, Margaret,

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Speaker 1: we have a good time, laughter, fun stuff, mean comedy.

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Speaker 1: I love a podcast. You know what I love most

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Speaker 1: about podcast, Margaret? Why do you love that Podcast, Robert?

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Speaker 1: The fact that every single person can make a six

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Speaker 1: hundred dollars for our two day inspirational convention meeting at

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Speaker 1: the Airport Ramada in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Not the Marriott anymore. No,

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Speaker 1: they kicked us right the funk out. Margaret, I'M gonna

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Speaker 1: be honest with you, I was just taking the deposit

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Speaker 1: money to spend on delatted. Well, I mean, how else

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Speaker 1: they have to do stuff to it to make it delotted. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: those people deserve a living wage. Yes, I actually am

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Speaker 1: here to represent all of the different painkillers, except for coding,

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Speaker 1: which have unionized in order to demand more of them

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Speaker 1: be given to me. Yeah, it's a beautiful showing of solidarity.

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Speaker 1: Hi Ian as our audio editor. Hello, Ian on woman,

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Speaker 1: wrote our theme song. Hello on woman. You probably not

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Speaker 1: his name. What if you are? I like to live

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Speaker 1: in that world. I like to imagine that when you

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Speaker 1: shout out those people after shouting out sophie and I,

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Speaker 1: but they're here too and responding, and you're choosing to

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean they're on the zoom call right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they are. They're on every zoom call, which is kind

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Speaker 1: of weird that we make on women beyond every zoom call.

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Speaker 1: It is, but you know, I mean, if a woman

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Speaker 1: wants a podcast, she's got to put in the time

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Speaker 1: and she also has to start taking our patented magic berries,

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Speaker 1: just seventy three dollars a day, which increase your vitality. And, uh,

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Speaker 1: chemicals or chemicals the VF CO? Yeah, yeah, and so, okay.

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Speaker 1: So today is part two in our seventeen part series

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Speaker 1: discussing George ramorrow's classic nine one film night writers. Now,

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Speaker 1: my favorite part of the movie, Margaret, is when he

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Speaker 1: Ed Harris, we're talking about Ed Harris. Yeah, and character

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Speaker 1: of the George Ra merrow film night writers. It is

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Speaker 1: a consensual fight. I will say it is. All of

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Speaker 1: night writers, which I had not until last night, you

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Speaker 1: spokane free speech fight and the IWW and free speech

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Speaker 1: fights more broadly. Where we last left our heroes, they

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Speaker 1: story where the good guys win. Yeah, this section is

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Speaker 1: bombs up and they set it up near a gas maine.

422
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Speaker 1: So their manage, they're trying to like destroy some property

423
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Speaker 1: and like stick it to the man and be like,

424
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Speaker 1: you know, hey, we blew up part of your printing

425
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Speaker 1: press and no one got hurt. They they destroy the

426
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Speaker 1: entire building and a hell of fire because the gas

427
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Speaker 1: mate explodes and catches on fire and the building burns down.

428
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Speaker 1: And the other thing that they didn't know, because they

429
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 1: didn't do their fucking homework, is that there were newspaper

430
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Speaker 1: workers there that night because they were putting out a

431
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 1: special edition of the newspaper because of like some horse

432
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Speaker 1: race or something. And so they blow up the entire

433
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Speaker 1: fucking three story building. They Killed Twenty one people. Um, yeah, whoop,

434
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: but OOP. No, this is. This is not the cool

435
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 1: people doing cool stuff part of this, and they as.

436
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 1: As for the bombs that they put outside the assholes houses, uh,

437
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: they wound the timers too tightly and they took too

438
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: long before they went off and they were safely discovered

439
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 1: and disarmed. It didn't take too long to track down

440
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Speaker 1: these brothers. The younger brother, the bomber. He confessed as

441
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Speaker 1: part of a plea deal that got him life in prison.

442
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: But basically the plea deal was my brother doesn't get

443
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Speaker 1: life in prison. Um, he's like. I will say I

444
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: did it all. You give my brother fifteen years instead

445
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: of life in prison and you took that deal and

446
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: his confession. He said it was my intention to injure

447
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: the building and scare the owners. I sincerely regret that

448
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: these unfortunate men lost their lives. If the giving of

449
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: my life would bring them back, I would gladly give it.

450
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: And that trial basically, or that bombing rather basically, killed

451
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 1: the L A labor movement for about forty years. So

452
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: note to self other people. The older brother, he gets

453
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: out of prison, he goes right back to labor organizing

454
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: the the younger brother, dyson, dies in prison and yeah,

455
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: bombs don't always work like you think you're going to work.

456
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: Uh Oh. And the guy who had been running the

457
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: bombing campaign prior Hawkin, the one who is in Bezzling,

458
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: it turns out he had been a paid informant for

459
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Speaker 1: the business association, the entire tie him. Oh, cool. Yeah,

460
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: on the other hand, he didn't testify against the McNair

461
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: NAMARA brothers because, at least according to a New York

462
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: Times article from that from back then, he was like, basically,

463
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? If I testify, the unionists will

464
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: literally murder me. There is no way I will testify

465
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 1: against them. Um. So even his paid informing only went

466
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: so far. This is not the I W W that

467
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: I was just talking about. The I w not to

468
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: be confused, but the reason it's important to what we're

469
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: talking about is this is the context that, less than

470
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: a year later, the wobblies step into and the wobblies

471
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Speaker 1: go to San Diego for a free speech fight, UM,

472
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 1: which also it turns out, and back me up on this, Sophie, Um,

473
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: San Diego is not part of Los Angeles. It is

474
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Speaker 1: not part of Los Angeles. Yeah, which is interesting because

475
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: I thought, well, we call it West El a, a

476
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: lot back in Los Angeles, which, because it's south, farest

477
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 1: the far South Bay, it is. It is two to

478
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: three hours south of Los Angeles. Great Food. Great San Diego,

479
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 1: better known as Little Sacramento. No, nobody says that. It

480
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: is a lovely place. That is very expensive. But in

481
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: Sonatas nearby, yeah, the the can't, can't understate food. Excellent. Yep,

482
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: and that's where they went, southern California. The food. Yes,

483
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: it is not a great place to be. A union

484
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: organized around this time in Jan San Diego is like,

485
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: you know what, fucket, let's not even let them talk.

486
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: And they banned free speech in midtown, all of midtown.

487
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: Ostensible reason is the same as it always was. Public

488
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: gatherings might block traffic. In fact, the actual event that

489
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: will be familiar to modern listeners that sparked the entire

490
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: thing is when rich asshole tried to run his car

491
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: through a crowd of protesters. The crowd stopped him and

492
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: slashed his tires and he was like, dear the state,

493
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: I was prevented from driving my automobile through a crowd

494
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: of people. Please make the people not exist and the

495
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: states like yeah, that's true. So a free speech league

496
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: forms and it's not full of all right types. It's anarchists, Socialists, wobblies,

497
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: most of whom are anarchists or Socialists, and then some

498
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: of the less radical unionists from the a f l,

499
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: and then the single taxers, who are really interesting. I

500
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: only halfway understand them. They're kind of somewhere between a

501
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: libertarian and a socialist, but not in a libertarian socialist way.

502
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: They're like free market combined with strong welfare state. I

503
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: think so. I guess they're the no, they're not really

504
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: all right at all. They're actually just their own weird wing.

505
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: That thing, the I W W in San Diego had

506
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: already been around for a while. Their big success was

507
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: that they had organized the Mexican workers of the gas

508
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: and electric company a few years earlier. But of course

509
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: many of the radical Mexicans left in San Diego left

510
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: in to go back to Mexico to fight for that future.

511
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: Friend of the pod of the Mexican revolution, two thousand

512
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: or five thousand of them, depending on who you ask.

513
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: They go off marching in defense of the band. Right

514
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: away they're like, oh, we're not to march fun. You

515
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: were marching hundreds of them wind up in jail. They're

516
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: facing felony conspiracy charges. I think hundreds of them are

517
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: facing felonies conspiracy charges. And then when people try to

518
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: have solidarity demonstrations, they're broken up by future friend of

519
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: your pod fire hoses. I feel like there's got to

520
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: have been fire hoses on your podcast. I mean we've

521
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: talked about definitely protesters getting ye with fire hoses. Yeah, yeah,

522
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: and this leads to one of the more interesting okay,

523
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: so basically, like all right, the wobblies are like, all right,

524
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: we know how to do this thing right, and this

525
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: time it's not just them, but they are a huge

526
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: part of it, and they're like, all right, we know

527
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: how to do this. We're gonna get hoboes from all

528
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: over the place. And so a hundred and twenty hoboes, wobblies,

529
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: ride trains down from Portland, Oregon, and they make it. Yeah,

530
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: they get to the Oregon California border, where they get

531
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: to Ashland and they're like, oh, ship, we'll get busted

532
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: by the train cops if we keep going. I think

533
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: even though the union workers on the trains were like, Oh,

534
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: you'll get busted if you keep going. So they get

535
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: out and they start walking. They walk through a snowstorm

536
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: in the mountains. They walk two miles on foot and

537
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: they're like a self organized small army on the March.

538
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: They have different committees, they have doctors with them, they

539
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: have security, there's people up ahead scouting for like train

540
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: lines and ship locals give them money and food. They

541
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: hold rallies everywhere they go. It basically becomes this tour

542
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: walking around being like this is what's up, and they're

543
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: spreading the word of the eight hour work day, which

544
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: is still not actually one by this point. They're talking

545
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: about how decent labor conditions are, only not such a

546
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: really one by this point. Eight. Yeah, what are you

547
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: talking about? I didn't wake up at seven to work

548
00:30:55,320 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 1: one job before working on this job. Yeah, and so

549
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: and they're this fucking Hobo army and their off restore

550
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: free speech in California. But they they got the timing wrong.

551
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: Walking two forty four miles, it takes a while when

552
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: you go through the mountains. By the time they get

553
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: to Chico, the fight is over. Ah, and now they're

554
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: in Chico, which just makes it worse. I know, that's right,

555
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: that's right. Chico Yeah, I think our publisher is based. No,

556
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: it's it's a nice it's a very nice place. I

557
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: mean it's doomed because of the fires, but it's very pretty.

558
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: Unlike that's safe place. Um, yeah, yeah, wherever you live,

559
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: that's certainly a safe place. Don't worry. Yeah, yeah, totally

560
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: nothing to worry about. Just listen to history. So or

561
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: make your future as a pocket note. Okay, so, but

562
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: there's still plenty of people who come from all over

563
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: the country and pour into San Diego, and they all

564
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: get arrested, as is the plan, and the conditions in

565
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: jail are fucking terrible, as is what everyone's used to.

566
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: People are sleeping on concrete floors, there's no beds. At

567
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: least one of the arrestees dies from lack of medical care.

568
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: And then something worse happens that will also be familiar

569
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: to the modern, modern reader, listener. Whatever. Capitalist Vigilante groups

570
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: start patrolling the streets, made up of random citizens and

571
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: off duty cops, and they start kidnapping people and beating

572
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: the ship out of them and leaving them outside city limits.

573
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: They even, like a mainstream newspaper, sides on the side

574
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: of free speech for some odd reason, and so these

575
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: vigilante groups like kidnapped the head of the newspaper and

576
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: beat the ship out of him and take him out

577
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,479
Speaker 1: of town. Friend of the pod Emma Goldman, shows up,

578
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: the anarchist orator and free speech activist, and here's what

579
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: she saw. The vigilantes rated the I W W headquarters,

580
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: broke up the furniture and arrested a large number of

581
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: the men they found there. They were taking to Sorrento

582
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: to a place where a flagpole had been erected. They're

583
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: the iwws were forced to kneel, kiss the flag and

584
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: sing the national anthems. The incentive to quicker action, one

585
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: of the vigilantes would slap them on the back, which

586
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: was the signal for a general beating. After these proceedings,

587
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: the men were loaded into automobiles and sent to saint

588
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: on free near the county line, placed in a cattle

589
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: pen with armed guards over them and kept without food

590
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: or drink for eighteen hours. The following morning, they were

591
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: taken out in groups of five and compelled to run

592
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: the gauntlet. As they passed between the double line of Vigilantes,

593
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: they were belabored with clubs and Black Jacks. Then the

594
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: flag kissing episode was repeated, after which they were told

595
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: to hike up the track and never come back. They

596
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: reached Los Angeles after a tramp of several days, Sore, hungry,

597
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: penniless and in a deplorable physical state. That wasn't very nice.

598
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: Emma Goldman had a boyfriend. Emma Goldman had a boyfriend

599
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: who was a Hobo and a doctor named Dr Ben Reitman. Doctor,

600
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: Oh God, that's a TV premise right there. Oh Yeah, Um,

601
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: and actually I leave the TV podcast anarchist Hobo doctor,

602
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: Dr Ben Rightman. We're still workshopping the title. Is the

603
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: primary sponsor of this show? Yes, the the show which

604
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: exists in one of the alternate realities that we have

605
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: not ever last in Gob stoppard into an endless series

606
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: of explosions. Wouldn't it be awful if, instead of like

607
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: choosing all the ads based on things that we actually supported,

608
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: if they were just like randomly chosen by machines and

609
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: then just like Fed to our listeners? Yeah, you know,

610
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: one of the realities we're going to have to jump

611
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: to if this next gob stopper experiment fails does it

612
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: that way. But don't worry, I'm sure we won't end

613
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: up there now that would mean it went all wrong again. Anyway,

614
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: here's ads that we all totally support. Care about demon okay,

615
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: so a Hobo doctor, Dr Ben Right and overall he

616
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: kind of has a good run of it. I don't know,

617
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: I guess the day I'm a Goldman. That feels like bonus, right. Um, yeah,

618
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a good run of it. And Sandy

619
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: A go. He was kidnapped out of his hotel room

620
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: and tarred and feathered. He had the letters I W

621
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: W burned into his butt with a lighter. Um. There

622
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: was some sexual violence I won't get into. He was

623
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: forced to kiss the flag, sing the anthem and run

624
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 1: the gauntlet before they let him go. It's cool because

625
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: right around this same period, uh, people are also doing

626
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: this on behalf of Zar Nicholas, you know, beating them

627
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: and carry out acts of sexual violence and forcing them

628
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 1: to kiss the flag or kiss symbols of the monarchy

629
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 1: and stuff. It's neat that all these bootlickers are the same.

630
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: You know, I hadn't heard that and it makes just

631
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 1: so complete sense. It's just so like, Yep, completely tracks. Yeah,

632
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: that's like right after the nineteen five yeah, yeah, not

633
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: that far. Yeah. And so the governor tries to send

634
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: people to investigate the vigilante groups, but the city council

635
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: refuses to cooperate with the investigation and they just like

636
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: stonewall the fucking governor from investigating what's going on in

637
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: their city, and succeed at that. The police break into

638
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: the wobbly hall on May seven and they just kill

639
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: a guy, a guy named Joseph Michaelish, and the wobblies

640
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: drive the cops after they kill this guy. The wobblies

641
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: drive the cops out of the hall with a hail

642
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 1: of gunfire and again to a gunfight with the COPS,

643
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: which is to say, non violence is and was a

644
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: tactic for them, not a moral stance, like they are

645
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: choosing non violently approach and try and solve these problems.

646
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: But they're all also armed and ship. You know, Um,

647
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: and I I want to quote from one of the

648
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: arrested wobblies, Jack White. He got six months for conspiracy

649
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: after the death of his fellow wobbly, and I'm literally

650
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: just quoting it because I think it's cool when people

651
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: say bad I shipped to court. There are only a

652
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: few words that I care to say, and the court

653
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: will not mistake them for legal argument, for I am

654
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: not acquainted with the phraseology of the bar nor the

655
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: language come into the courtroom. You have become mind and

656
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: death to the rights of man to pursue life and happiness,

657
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: and you have crushed those rights so that the sacred

658
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: right of property shall be preserved. Then you tell me

659
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: to respect the law. I do not. I did violate

660
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: the law, as I will violate every one of your

661
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: laws and still come before you and say to hell

662
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: with the courts, because I believe that my right to

663
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: life is more sacred than the sacred right to property

664
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: that you and your kind so ably defend. I do

665
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: not tell you this in the expectation of getting justice,

666
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: but to show my contempt for the machinery of law

667
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 1: and Justice as represented by this and every other court.

668
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: And just like that, it's UH. And it's interesting because

669
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: I have seen this fight depicted as a win and

670
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: a loss by Wobblis and other like labor reporters like

671
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: both at the time and now. Eventually, the vigilante justice

672
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: started to Peter out over the summer of but it

673
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: petered out because they'd driven everyone off everyone was in jail.

674
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: are like fucking running scared because non violence as a

675
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: strategy had been ective effective against the state, but it

676
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: was not effective against the vigilantes. Eventually, I believe, free

677
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: speech was restored, people were lewed out of prison. None

678
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: of the vigilantes were ever brought up on charges. I

679
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: think it was mostly the governor's intervention at the end,

680
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: but I can't remember and I got really confusing reports

681
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: and like all of the different pieces that I've read

682
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: about this. So none of the vigilantes are ever brought

683
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: up on charges, even though they're the ones who are

684
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: doing the actual stuff. As soon as they were released

685
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: they went right back to organizing, but I think they

686
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: didn't really try soap boxing in San Diego after that,

687
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: and so they basically at this point it's starting to

688
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: not go so well and I kind of hate to

689
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 1: go with the bummer thing, but I think the way

690
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: to describe this tactic is to keep describing this tactic

691
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: and see how it the diminishing returns they got for it.

692
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell one more of these free speech stories. Everett, Washington,

693
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: which is just north of Seattle, in late nineteen sixteen,

694
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: the shingle workers union was on strike at their sawmill

695
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: and I think these is it might be the same

696
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: shingle makers union that had quit the a F L

697
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: and joined the I W W during the spokane fight,

698
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken. UH, shingles were invented in the northwest,

699
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: like literally, I used to live in a place called

700
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: Shingletown in California. I don't know if it's where they

701
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: were inventors, just where they get like made them the most.

702
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: But like we have a I don't know, I have

703
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: never been bored enough to look too deeply into the

704
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: shingle industry and how it spread, but I was told

705
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: by people at bars in Shingletown that they were the

706
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: town that invented the shingles. Yeah, I'm certain that's not

707
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: accurate because nothing I heard in those bars was. But

708
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: also the town was named after shingles, so there's gotta

709
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: be some history that. Yeah, and it could have been Shingleton,

710
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: and I'm a little disappointed in them. Could have been here.

711
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 1: So the Shingleton workers, well, I guess the Everett Shinglers. Yeah,

712
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: the shinglers are on strike at their sawmill and the

713
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: I W W starts agitating a solidarity because free speech

714
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: is like not the thing the I W W is

715
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: about right like it's interesting because it's like there are

716
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: these huge fights, into the most important free speech fights

717
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: in US history as far as I can tell, and

718
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: they're like this tiny portion of the stuff that the

719
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: IWW does. But they opened up a union hall and

720
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: Everett and they start soap boxing and the cops are

721
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: like Nope, fuck this, and instead of just like arresting

722
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 1: them and being like Oh, we're gonna fill up the jails,

723
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: they're like no, we've seen this, we've seen how that

724
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: goes the cops. They cut out the vigilante middleman and

725
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: they just start beating the ship out of everyone. They

726
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: just start breaking their bones and throwing them out of town.

727
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: So on October one wobbly show up from Seattle. They're

728
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: all like lumberjacks and ship and they're rounded up by

729
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: the Sheriff and Deputies and they're forced to run the

730
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: gauntlet between spiked bats this time. The next day locals

731
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: come to where the gauntlet had been and they're like,

732
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: there's an awful lot of blood on the grass. We're

733
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 1: not convinced that this is above board. What happened. Two

734
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: thousand locals show up to a rally demanding that it

735
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: all on too far. And it's another thing that I

736
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: keep thinking about with all of this. It's like it's

737
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: not the hobos versus the town, you know, it's the

738
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: hobos versus the city government, with the town divided and

739
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: mostly divided among class lines. I mean we you know,

740
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: I'm saying this on the day when I think there's

741
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: just been an action to try to stop the sweep

742
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: of a homeless encampment like this is this is still

743
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: going on and it's really easy. It's interesting the way

744
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: in which these kind of like itinerant populations with little

745
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: access to money, Um, but a lot of time and mobility,

746
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 1: are used continuously in different ways, but continuously Um as

747
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 1: a foil by the ruling class in order to split

748
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: up the working class. Right, you have them as strike breakers,

749
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: you have them escapegoats, but like whatever the thing is,

750
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: these are people who are both easy to make use

751
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: of Um in in a couple of different ways, but

752
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: propaganda being one of the main ones. Yeah, they like

753
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: outside agitators who have come to do everything, the outside agitators,

754
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: but also the you know the reason that uh like

755
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: like right now. Portland and San Diego actually are two

756
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: main big cities with a problem with this. You have

757
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 1: these in Los Angeles. You have these huge, aggressive sweeps

758
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: against the homeless, along alongside speeches and advocacy by political

759
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: leaders who are all backed by business associations, Um that

760
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: these people need to be forced off the street, you know, incarcerated.

761
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: A couple of states admitted a felony to camp outside

762
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: Um and it's part. What it is is that since

763
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: covid a lot of things have gotten worse. A lot

764
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: of people have found themselves in more desperate, desperate straits,

765
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people have long term health issues, a

766
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: lot of businesses haven't recovered, and we could blame that

767
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: on the fact that all of the wrong decisions were

768
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: made and supported by the people who were backed by

769
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 1: moneyed interests in business associations and the like to respond

770
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: to that pandemic. or it can be like no, what's

771
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: wrong with all these cities? That there's people camping it

772
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 1: and that's what made them danger since, sketchy and unsafe,

773
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: and so we have to arrest the home. Yeah, so

774
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: on November five more wobblies from Seattle head North on

775
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: two passenger boats and they're singing as they go because

776
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 1: they're wobblies and wobbly's rule and everywhere they go like dwarves,

777
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:24,479
Speaker 1: they sing songs about the Lonely Mountain Um. At least

778
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: that's what I would sing if I was actually it's

779
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: a hard song to sing. They mostly sank really simple songs.

780
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 1: Some of their hits include Hallelujah, I'm a bum Ah,

781
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go with that. One was one of

782
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: my favorites. And so they had north on two passenger boats,

783
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 1: Two d armed vigilantees alongside the sheriff, and I believe

784
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: that they're deputies at this point. So connecting, I think

785
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: it's just they call them cops along with the sheriff.

786
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: They've been tipped off by Pinkerton. So I think had

787
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 1: infiltrated the I W W and the first boat the Verona,

788
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: where we lay our scene. Now then, yeah, thanks, thanks.

789
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: I know one Shakespeare Um, I got it. Yeah, it

790
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: was a real deep cut. I don't know if you've

791
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: heard this play called Romeo and Juliet. No, but you know,

792
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: you have all of the all of the real punk,

793
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 1: you know, fringe, fringe media that's that. That's your specialty. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

794
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: The Shakespeare Guy, I feel like he's gonna blow up

795
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: in a year or two. Yeah, I think so. Um,

796
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: I mean, if not, we've got that time machine and

797
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 1: those gob stoppers. We can make him blow up. Uh. Well,

798
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: we haven't a couple of reality. Yeah, it's all. I

799
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 1: mean the important thing is that he was stopped before

800
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: he wrote that one play. Oh, what you do about nothing? Yeah,

801
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: that glad. In most timelines. That never came out. No,

802
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: that never came out. Um, and we got three sequels tonight. Writers. Yeah, yeah, Utopia,

803
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: I believe we call that timeline. Okay, so when the

804
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: boat shows up, the vigilantes just sucking open fire. They're

805
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: just like, we're just gonna shoot the ship out of

806
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: this fucking path, messenger boat. It was proven in court

807
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 1: that they had no idea if they were shooting wobblies

808
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: like they were like there's no way they would have known.

809
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: They like during the trial that like went and recreated

810
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: it and they were like, Oh, yeah, nope, you can't

811
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: see well enough. Before they opened fire, the WOBS shot back.

812
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: I think they were outgunned. When the shooting cleared, ten

813
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: minutes later, at least five wobblies were dead, thirty one

814
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: were injured, and on the vigilante side, two were dead

815
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: and nineteen were wounded. Yeah, and the Verona turned around

816
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: and sailed the fun back and they turned they passed

817
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: the second boat and they were like no, no, turn around,

818
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: you're just gonna get shot Um. And then when they landed,

819
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: all the wobblies on board were arrested. Seventy four of

820
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: them were charged with the murder of the vigilantes who

821
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: had been shooting at them. The trial, yeah, yeah, the

822
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: trial wouldn't last too long, though. It lasted two months,

823
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: and the defense hinged on the ideas that vigilantes had

824
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: and fire on randomly hint of passenger boats. Yeah, and also,

825
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: once again see the haymarket episode, the vigilantes had actually

826
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: shot each other because they were just shooting randomly and

827
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: had like we're in each other's line of fire and

828
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: were completely untrained and didn't like set up any kind

829
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: of firing line. Yeah, and this, the actual shocking part

830
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 1: of this, is that all seventy four defendants were acquitted. Well,

831
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: that ship. Yeah, that actually is very um good. The vigilantes,

832
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: of course, were never put on trial and the prosecution

833
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: made a big fucking deal out of how all the

834
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: wobblies were all evil bomb throwing anarchists and all across

835
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 1: the country. The the iww has painted as a domestic

836
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: terrorist threat, and this was, I think, the last of

837
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: the iwwes free speech fights. It was basically the like

838
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: you try the tactic and eventually the states like now

839
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: we're just gonna start shooting you. You know, and I

840
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: don't know if you knew this, but now, teen seventeen

841
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 1: wasn't a great time to be a leftist in the

842
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Speaker 1: United States of America. Yeah, I mean in some ways,

843
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Speaker 1: in other ways at least, like stuff was getting done. Okay,

844
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: fair enough. The the US joints World War One. Iww

845
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: moved a lot of its organizing to opposing the draft.

846
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Speaker 1: You get the first red scare, N which is kind

847
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: of more your, your wheelhouse, than mine. M The the

848
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: iww holds on. They're they're heavily targeted by the first

849
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: green scare and it like Fox them up real bad.

850
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: But they hold on. They're actually their numbers go up

851
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: in the twenties but by Um, by the end of

852
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: the twenties, their numbers are going down, and it's not

853
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: because their message was bad. It's not even that they're

854
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: organizing methods are bad, it's that they're like this is

855
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: the tiniest tip of the iceberg of the oppression that

856
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: they faced. And I also, don't know if you knew,

857
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: the US government hasn't been historically very friendly to socialist

858
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 1: and anarchist and communists. And then also in the twenties,

859
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: the IWW how to Split, I think, where a lot

860
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: of the former wildlies joined the communist party because they

861
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: prefer centralization to decentralization. And but the IWW, hundred fucking

862
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: years later, it still exists, it's still organizing and they

863
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: still do more work with like Gig workers and other

864
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: people who are harder to organize in traditional means Um

865
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: and whether it happens under their name or not, I

866
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: think their ideas are good. Like you know, there is

867
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of a critique of like modern iww.

868
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be it. I think it could

869
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: absolutely become what it once was. But it's like you know,

870
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: sometimes we get caught up in our grand history and

871
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: like forget about the president a little bit. Yeah, and

872
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: sometimes I think like there's a mistake between reading all

873
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: this history and thinking about how rad the iww was

874
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: and then assuming that, like, the solution to our current

875
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: like problems is to rebuild exactly that rather than to

876
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 1: take lessons from which is not to say like, know

877
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: a bunch of people who are in the I W W.

878
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: They do great stuff. Um, it made a lot of

879
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: things easier for freelance journalists, but they're clearly not the

880
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: organization still that was doing all this right. They just aren't,

881
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: and that's that doesn't mean that they suck or I

882
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: hate them. It just is like, yeah, let's we gotta we.

883
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: The solution is not we need to make one big union.

884
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: The solution is we need to take the things that

885
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: worked from the I W W and figure out something else,

886
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, all of this

887
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: stuff is only successful by degrees and margins as opposed

888
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: to accomplishing the goals that they, the people at the time,

889
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: would have told you, is where they would have wanted

890
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, and that doesn't mean it's a failure.

891
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 1: Nothing ever works out the way. That is the dream,

892
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: except for our eventual GOB stopperer explosion. Right. Well, it's

893
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: just it's always a Fu back and forth. You know,

894
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: it's like and yeah, and they successfully. I mean like

895
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to conceptualize what free each in

896
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: this country would look like without this right if like

897
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: thirty different cities who had tried to pass you know,

898
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: and I mean cities, still do this all the time.

899
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: There's still like weird free speech zones and limitations on

900
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: public assembly and yeah, it's a constant fight, but it

901
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 1: but it continues and I think that they set back

902
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: the forces of Mordor or whatever for a very long

903
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: time by doing its fighting. I don't think it's cool.

904
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: And I will say one thing that the I W

905
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: W does currently that I haven't seen anyone else do that.

906
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: I think it's just like if there's like one thing

907
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: that I'm just like absolutely full support, there's the incarcerated

908
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 1: workers organizing committee, which is prisoners organizing their own labor

909
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: as like prison labor, and it's fucking awesome. Yes, Um,

910
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: it is very cool. The I W W is still

911
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: very cool. You may find use in them and that's good. Um,

912
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: they're they're they're pretty fucking dope. I have yeah, so

913
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, go up. People can donate to that.

914
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: I bet that's a good way to sign off. But

915
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: if you look up, I walk, you know the incarcerated

916
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 1: workers organizing committee. They do really stuck amazing stuff. They've

917
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: put on a ton of like prison strikes, Um, and

918
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: just draw attention to the fact that like, and you know,

919
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: we're starting to have right now. A bunch of states

920
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: have on their ballots. I'm speaking out of my ass

921
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: a little bit, but a bunch of states have on

922
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: their ballots like let's get rid of the loophole where

923
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: you're allowed to force people to work just because they're

924
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: in jail or whatever. Yeah, and you can in fact donate.

925
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: You can go to incarcerated workers dot org and there's

926
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: a donate now button, or you can go to incarcerated

927
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: incarcerated workers dot org slash donate. Yeah, right there. And

928
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 1: that is one of the amazing strengths of that ww

929
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: is that it's not it's not coming on from on high,

930
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: you know, like it's people on the outside and the

931
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: people on the inside are coordinating together to organize these things, Um,

932
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: rather than it just being like some something that's telling

933
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: prisoners what they should do or whatever. But if you're

934
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:09,280
Speaker 1: not in prison, you should go out and buy Robert's book,

935
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: because Robert is an author. That's right. It's called after

936
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 1: the Revolution Um, a thing that a lot of people

937
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: at the I W W we're talking about also, albeit

938
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 1: with less cyborgs, when they were talking about it. Probably Sophie.

939
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Speaker 1: Do you have anything to plug? We're at the end

940
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Speaker 1: of the episode. By the way, I ww good people. Huh,

941
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: listen to behind the bastards. It's hosted by Robert Evans's

942
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: maybe it's a good show. That's all I got. All right, thanks, everyone.

943
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944
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