1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: and the unexplained. Get ready now for Beyond Contact with 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Captain Ron. 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond 12 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 3: Contact looks for the latest news andology, discuss some of 13 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 3: the classic cases and bring you the latest information from 14 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talked. 15 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 4: With the top experts. Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, 16 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 4: and today we're going to be speaking with best selling author, 17 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 4: award winning journalist and researcher Alexis Brooks. Alexis also produces 18 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 4: and hosts the Higher Journeys podcast, where she interviews experts 19 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 4: on topics ranging from metaphysics and spirituality to UFOs and 20 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 4: the Paranormal. She's a featured expert on the History Channels 21 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 4: series The Proof Is Out There, and she's also been 22 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 4: a speaker numerous times at Contact in the Desert. I 23 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 4: think that's where I met you, right, wasn't that like 24 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 4: in twenty eighteen. 25 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 5: You think so much time has gone by, You've been 26 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 5: so busy, Ron, we don't even remember. 27 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 4: Yes, indeed, oh I think you. 28 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 5: Indeed we did. Yes, if I may say, and thank 29 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 5: you so much. I'm so delighted to be here. Yeah. 30 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 5: You and I were on the co hosting side of 31 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 5: the event when I believe it was this grand reception 32 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 5: where all the speakers were coming down the staircase and 33 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 5: you and I were, you know, Eric von Danigan, come 34 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 5: on down, Nicky, come on down, and oh it was 35 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 5: so much fun. And here you are years later, owning 36 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 5: the joint. 37 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 6: Yeah. 38 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's good stuff. 39 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 4: So many incredible things happened to Contact. You know, the 40 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 4: Dolans met at Contact in the Desert. The HDA was 41 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 4: formed of Contact in the Desert. David grossch happened during 42 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 4: Contact on Monday, watched it. You were there. It's a 43 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 4: synchronistic thing about that event. I'll tell you I. 44 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 5: Think so well. First of all, in kudos to just 45 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 5: the history of this this event. This is known as 46 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 5: the largest UFO conference in the world, and for good reason. 47 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 5: I mean, there's been a legacy. I think it started 48 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 5: at Joshua Tree, if I recall in fact, that was 49 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 5: the first one that I attended, and his year after 50 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 5: year brought out the thinkers and thought leaders of this field. 51 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 5: And you know I was thinking about before we got 52 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 5: on run today. Twenty seventeen is obviously an evergreen moment 53 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 5: in our minds. We all know what happened in twenty 54 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 5: seventeen with that article that Leslie Keene and Ralph Blumenthal 55 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 5: dropped on us via the New York Times, and I 56 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 5: always use that as a marker. Obviously there was a 57 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 5: lot of activity prior to that, particularly within our little 58 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 5: circle here, but this is when the world got to 59 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 5: see that this is a subject that is now worthy 60 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 5: of being taken seriously. And although it's not as ubiquitous 61 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 5: as I would like it to be at this moment, 62 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 5: look at the ground that we've covered and the distance 63 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 5: that we've come. Really even in the last couple of years, 64 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 5: the last year so there's some great things happening. So yes, 65 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 5: contact in the desert is a necessary event for I 66 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 5: think all people, those that are you know, buffs in 67 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 5: the UFO field and those that are just wanting to 68 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 5: know more about it. We've got to get more people involved. 69 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 5: This is a big deal. Really excited to. 70 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 4: Think so, and I think I agree with of course, 71 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 4: the twenty seventeen was a watershed moment. 72 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 5: And yes, that's the word. 73 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, evolved since then. You know, you've been looking at 74 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 4: this topic for a long time, and you look into 75 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 4: the true nature of reality. So I want to know 76 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 4: you've been looking at that a long time. Have you 77 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 4: figured it out? What is the nature of real I. 78 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 5: Wish, Oh my god? You know ron the entry point 79 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 5: and the impetus for my doing all of this work, 80 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 5: and as you know, it extends beyond the field of ethology. 81 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 5: And yet that is such a large part of this 82 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 5: whole big question of you know, what is our purpose here? 83 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 5: What is the mission? And you know, what is the cosmos? 84 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 5: And how does this thing we call planet Earth work 85 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 5: and we in it? And I don't really understand or 86 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 5: know necessarily when my understand I don't really know when 87 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 5: that moment came where I realized that the UFO understanding 88 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 5: the et UFO question was an integral part to understanding 89 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 5: the nature of reality. And yet somehow I knew instinctively 90 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 5: that it was I deal primarily with individuals who have 91 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 5: had experiences, have had contact encounters. I always say, I've 92 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 5: been not as interested in the mechanistic aspects, but more 93 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 5: in the human aspect and what we're engaging with. And 94 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 5: I always say we have skin in the game because 95 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 5: if we are a part of these contact encounters, and 96 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 5: we are a piece of this puzzle, and so in 97 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 5: understanding the nature of reality, I think it's important that 98 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 5: we understand who we're interfacing with in order to understand 99 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 5: who we are. You know, the biggest discovery is I 100 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 5: told miguelman Dunsa in the book We Are the Disclosure, 101 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 5: the biggest discovery is self discovery. And I really think 102 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 5: that the more we learn about this enigma, this phenomenon 103 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 5: that we've been integrally involved with, the more we will 104 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 5: understand about who we are. 105 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 4: It also seems that you think that this topic, that 106 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 4: this alien contact that we have is way more common 107 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 4: than most people think. 108 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 5: I do. I do as a matter of fact, I 109 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 5: gave the lecture two years ago at Contact in the 110 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 5: Desert entitled Unconscious Contact? Are you an experiencer and don't 111 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 5: know it? And it came out of my you know, 112 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 5: just having conversations with the lay person on the street. 113 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 5: You know, they ask what do you do? You tell 114 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 5: them and next thing you know, they're telling you a story, 115 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 5: or they may have just an above average curiosity or 116 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 5: interest in the subject, and you know, I started to 117 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,559 Speaker 5: look at clues into this and I put the question 118 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 5: out there, could it be that contact with non human 119 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 5: intelligence is far more common than we know. I got 120 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 5: to interview lots of people for the lecture that I gave. 121 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 5: I actually gave that lecture also in Australia back in 122 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 5: twenty eighteen or nineteen, and through my research, although I 123 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 5: cannot say definitively everyone is having contact, I do believe 124 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 5: that it could be perhaps the majority of our planet 125 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 5: and it comes in very very nuanced ways. I won't 126 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 5: go into all of it, just unless you want me to. 127 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 4: Are there what proof is that? What would tell you that? 128 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 5: Well, let me just say this about proof. The only 129 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 5: place you will find proof is in mathematics and in 130 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 5: alcohol Okay, well as one hundred proof, and I'm borrowing 131 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 5: that from somebody else. But I always say that I 132 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 5: have no proof. In other words, but I think there 133 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 5: are there's ample evidence to show that something interesting is 134 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 5: going on with a lot of individuals. Let's take one example. 135 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 5: Let's take phobias. It's one of the key areas that 136 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 5: I zoned in on when it comes to this possibility 137 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 5: that more people may be having contact. Think of the 138 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 5: phobias that people have that are more common, like fear 139 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 5: of heights, fear of flying, fear of doctors, etc. Okay, 140 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 5: they're very common. Most of us have some kind of 141 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 5: a phobia. But I started looking ato phobias that are 142 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 5: lesser known, like fear of clowns, fear of combs, like honeycombs, 143 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 5: just things, fear of satellites. But I started compiling all 144 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 5: of these things and I try to perhaps look at 145 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 5: the entry point for where these fears may have come from. 146 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 5: Let's take sunflowers as an example. I'm trying to think of. 147 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 5: Is that helianthropus. I don't know if you can look 148 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 5: it up. I might be able to look it up 149 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 5: with the name of it. It's Heliopolis, something like that 150 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 5: when you look at the construction of a sunflower. You see, 151 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 5: what's the first thing that comes to your mind when 152 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 5: you look at a sunflower? 153 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 4: Well, super fast, I would say, kind of an eyeball, exactly. 154 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 5: Well, there's two things that I see. I see a 155 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 5: very large eye, but I also see if you look 156 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 5: at the underside of some of the craft that have 157 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 5: been reported really more of the conventional you know, flying 158 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 5: sauce or exterior, the underbelly of that craft could resemble 159 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 5: a sunflower. Now, look, I'm bringing some very some very 160 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 5: sort of obscure and abstract ideas. And you know, again 161 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 5: I go into exhaustive detail in the presentation when I 162 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 5: talk to some people, and believe it or not, the 163 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 5: phobia sunflower, as an example, is enough where people have 164 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 5: it's been named, it has a name to it. Why So, 165 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 5: you know, I started looking at these variety of phobias 166 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 5: and I started linking them to possible what we call 167 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 5: screen memory. This is a very very common term in 168 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 5: the experiencer side of euthology, where people will have encounters 169 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 5: but for whatever reason, the encounters are so jarring that 170 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 5: either perhaps our own brain is masking it to look 171 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 5: like something else and or the phenomena that we're interacting 172 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 5: with itself maybe masking the phenomena in its rawest form. 173 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 5: And this really started with some work I was doing 174 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 5: with Mary Rodwell, who was looking at the clown phobia, 175 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 5: which is a common common phobia, and where that might 176 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 5: come from. And she came to the conclusion through a 177 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 5: number of regressions with people that had that fear, that 178 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 5: they in fact were in an abduction experience. I saw 179 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 5: their encounter initially as having the being itself looking like 180 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 5: a clout. 181 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 4: We got to take a quick break here. When we 182 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 4: come back, we're going to talk more to Alexis about 183 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 4: this and then see how consciousness can play a role 184 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 4: in this whole phenomenon. You're listening to Beyond Contact on 185 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 4: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. 186 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact. We're talking with Alexis Brooks. 187 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 4: So you're one hundred percent convinced that we've been contacted 188 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 4: by some form of NHI. What convinced you of that? 189 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 5: Well, I'll correct you just slightly. Ryan, I'm not going 190 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 5: to say I'm one hundred percent convinced. I have to 191 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 5: put this out as sort of a caveat. We've got 192 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 5: to be so humble in terms of making these definitive statements. 193 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 5: I believe I have a sense, I have a very 194 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 5: strong sense that our interaction what we now call NHI 195 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 5: or non human intelligence, is something that's been happening for 196 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 5: a very very long time. It's just as far as 197 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 5: I'm concerned, it's in your face. But here's where it 198 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 5: gets really gray. And forgive, forgiven, for forgive the pine 199 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 5: that just kind of came out there. And I don't 200 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 5: want to lose my train of thought here, But you 201 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 5: look at you know, we have this sort of notion 202 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 5: of what denotes non human intelligence, and the first thing 203 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 5: that comes to mind is the extraterrestrial reality, that is, 204 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 5: beings that may come from there to here. That is 205 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 5: a very fundamental notion of what they are. But we 206 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 5: also know, or those that have done deep research into this, 207 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 5: is that there are many other aspects of non human 208 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 5: intelligence that may include interg dimentional, extra dimensional. We're now 209 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 5: looking at the fairy realm, the orb realm that's coming 210 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 5: up a lot in these conversations. So what is it 211 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 5: that we that that constitutes non human intelligence? You know, 212 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 5: I think I think there's a spectrum. There's something very 213 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 5: interesting to me about the lines that we're seeing start 214 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 5: to blur between the contact phenomenon, the shadow being phenomenon 215 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 5: is something that's also very very common, the ghostly realm, 216 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 5: all of these. Let's talk about our friend Whitley Strieber, 217 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 5: who really really believes that the whole afterlife realm is 218 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 5: inextricably linked to the contact encounter phenomenon. 219 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 4: Absolutely angelic being the most absolutely absolutely. 220 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 5: So getting back to in the first segment, you were 221 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 5: asking about my interest in the nature of reality. This 222 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 5: in order to really start to become inquisitive and dive 223 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 5: into trying to answer that question, we have to look 224 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 5: at the spectrum. The worst thing we can do is 225 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 5: look at all of this in a vacuum, because I 226 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 5: think we'd be missing a big part of the puzzle. 227 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 5: So again, one hundred percent convinced. Those are kind of 228 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,719 Speaker 5: strong words, but my sense is that we have been 229 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 5: inextricably linked with these other realms of plural. 230 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 4: What is your strongest piece of evidence that points in 231 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 4: this direction. 232 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 5: Well, there are a couple of things I will say 233 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 5: to you. In all honesty, I believe myself to be 234 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 5: an experiencer. 235 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 4: What's that I said? No to me? Of course, beyingould 236 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 4: tell me the truth. We got. 237 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 5: This really, I think speaks to my own thesis about 238 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 5: the fact that contact in some form or fashion is 239 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 5: far more common than we know. And I have to 240 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 5: start with my own experience, not only as an adult, 241 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 5: but as a child having a UFO encounter. It's a 242 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 5: very very vague memory, and frankly it didn't really come 243 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 5: to like for me until I started getting into this 244 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 5: research where I started to have sort of a murky 245 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 5: memory of being in the back of the car when 246 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 5: my parents were driving I believed to Ohio and I 247 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 5: saw a cylindrical shape craft. I think, and I stress. 248 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 5: I think because you know, it's like a dream when 249 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 5: you have a dream and you come out of the 250 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 5: dream with only little teeny details and you start to 251 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 5: question whether did I really dream that? That was kind 252 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 5: of the sense that I got with my own experience. 253 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 5: But I started to build upon that and say, my 254 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 5: goodness is I look back at some of the some 255 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 5: of my own experiences as a child. Something starting to 256 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 5: take shape here. And then in two thousand and five 257 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 5: I had to profound what you might call transformative or 258 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 5: peak experience that I can't say, cannot say absolutely included 259 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 5: contact as we know it classically, but I will tell 260 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 5: you that it was otherworldly. I try to be careful 261 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 5: when I use these words, but there was definitely a 262 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 5: presence that came in into my life at that time, 263 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 5: lasted for three months, showed me things, brought back memories, 264 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 5: left me with a mark on my chin. I know 265 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 5: this is an audio podcast, but there is a triangular 266 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 5: mark on my chin. That's another long, long story. But again, 267 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 5: I took all of these things here. I am a 268 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 5: researcher having these experiences, experiences that are adding to the 269 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 5: richness of my own hypothesis. So I don't think we 270 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 5: as researchers can really truly be in the depths of 271 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 5: this unless we have an experiential aspect of our own 272 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 5: I don't know. 273 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 4: It's well, when you reflect on this, does it fall 274 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 4: into a category for you? Like now, would you if 275 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 4: you had to make a let's call it a guest, 276 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 4: would you think that that was an extraterrestrial thing, an 277 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 4: inter dimensional thing, or a spiritual event? Where would you how. 278 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 5: About all of the above extraterrestrial I'd probably exclude because 279 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 5: to me, we're on extraterrestrial. When we think what is extraterrestrial, 280 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 5: it's beyond the human Earth, not on Earth. But we 281 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 5: tend to think of it as a physical intelligence, physical 282 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 5: that comes from A to B, a being out there 283 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 5: or up there to terrestrial to terra firma when we 284 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 5: think of and this is something else that's coming up 285 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 5: a lot in very very formal discussions, not the least 286 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 5: of which is the UAP hearing that happened I think 287 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 5: in November. Now my experience, I tend to believe it 288 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 5: was probably a hybrid of a spiritual slash interdimensional because 289 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 5: there was a voice. This included a form of information 290 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 5: that was being downloaded to me on a consistent basis, 291 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 5: twenty four hours a day. Frankly, I was having downloads 292 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 5: in my sleep, downloads in my waking life. As I said, 293 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 5: I was left with a really unusual obsession with triangles, 294 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 5: believe it or not, and then a later realization that 295 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 5: I have this mark of this triangular mark on my 296 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 5: chin that I never noticed before. So something happened, and 297 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 5: something happened to me. I still I am at a 298 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 5: loss as to the significance, but it certainly plunged me 299 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 5: more into the reality that we're interacting with other realms 300 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 5: on a constant basis. 301 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 4: I know you don't say one hundred percent, but you 302 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 4: think that it's leaning towards that most people have had 303 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 4: part of this happen to them. It's part of the 304 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 4: human experience. Do you think the unconscious contact is vastly 305 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 4: more popular than a constant conscious contact? 306 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 5: Absolutely? I do. Indeed, I mean, let's look at the 307 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 5: let's look at the numbers. Now I can't say what 308 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 5: the numbers are, but think about the people that live 309 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 5: what we call a normal life. They watch Netflix and 310 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 5: the football, and they God bless them, I do too sometimes, 311 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 5: but they have no conscious interest or active or proactive 312 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 5: interest in these subjects. And yet there are certain features 313 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 5: that them out as you get to know them, or 314 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 5: certain things that will emerge. Even the skeptics. And let 315 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 5: me make a point about this, because I talked about 316 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 5: this in the in the presentation that I did unconscious contact. Skeptics, 317 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 5: those who go out of their way to disprove the phenomenon, 318 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 5: got me quite curious as to where the veracity or 319 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 5: the or their passion about disproving comes from. And when 320 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 5: I did some research speaking to other researchers and other 321 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 5: people in this field, come to find out that quite 322 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 5: a few of these individuals were not only skeptical of 323 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 5: the phenomenon, but perhaps in denial about their own encounters. 324 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 5: And I actually highlight one person who was a somebody 325 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 5: lived out in California and went to local movef on 326 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,959 Speaker 5: meetings and he allegedly went to debunk the individuals that 327 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 5: were they're telling their stories, and over time, as he listened, 328 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 5: came to find out that he himself was having contact 329 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 5: and found himself in this environment, you know, realizing that 330 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 5: he himself was a contact ee. I was looking at 331 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 5: somebody like Michael Shermer, God bless him, the most professional 332 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 5: skeptic out there, who himself he has not fully come forward, 333 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 5: but he himself has had some experiences that have started 334 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 5: to slow down his you know being, So you know, 335 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 5: you can say that yeah, oh yeah, I don't know 336 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 5: if it was a contact encounter per se, but he 337 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 5: definitely had some sort of experience. I can't I can't 338 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 5: recall what it is off the top of my head that's. 339 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 4: Questioned someone like, yes, you have a real full blown 340 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 4: abduction experience. To come out and talk about it. That's 341 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 4: what we need for real. 342 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, again, I'm not convinced that a lot of 343 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 5: these people that are so voisterous about being skeptical are 344 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 5: are they really telling the truth or could they be 345 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 5: hiding something themselves? 346 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 4: Well maybe not consciously. You just said that you believe 347 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 4: that most of the experiences are unconscious experiences anyway, so 348 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 4: they may not genuinely conscious, remember them. 349 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 5: Right, But the fact that they're so adamant and so 350 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 5: outspoken about disproving in and of itself. When you look 351 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 5: at human psychology, step back from that for a minute 352 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 5: and say, where is this energy coming from. It could 353 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 5: be coming from a point of denial, but yes, that 354 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 5: would constitute unconscious contact as well, or let's say semi conscious, 355 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 5: because I think they know something is going on, but 356 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 5: they don't want to they don't want to admit it. 357 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 4: Okay, let's take another break right there, Alexis. When we 358 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 4: come back, we're going to continue this conversation and we're 359 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 4: going to get more into the consciousness aspects of this. 360 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 4: You're listening to Beyond Contact right here on the iHeartRadio 361 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 4: and Coast to Coast am Paranormal podcast. 362 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 6: Network. 363 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact and we're speaking with 364 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 4: Alexis Brooks about interacting with non human intelligences. Alexis, your 365 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 4: show seems to be a lot about consciousness. How do 366 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 4: you think that plays a role in the whole contact 367 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 4: experience specifically. 368 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 5: Well, first thing I want to say is I'm happy 369 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 5: to hear that the excuse me, the word or the 370 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 5: term consciousness has I think formally entered into the zeitgeist 371 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 5: of ufology. We first have to ask ourselves the question 372 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 5: what is consciousness? What does it encompass? You know the 373 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 5: fact that there may be this grand consciousness feel that 374 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 5: we are all inextricably linked to and is as well 375 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 5: as these others if you will Nhi And is this 376 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 5: a field, if we're all swimming in it? Is this 377 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 5: the conduit for contact to happen? Now, there's been this 378 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 5: term that I know many in the audience are going 379 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 5: to know because there are people that follow this work, 380 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 5: and that's a term called psionics, And that is a 381 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 5: term that has been made popular in recent weeks, just 382 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 5: weeks by one Jacob Barber. Of course, I'm sure many 383 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 5: people saw the groundbreaking interview with Ross Cultured over on 384 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 5: News Nation and Jake being a UFO whistleblower talking about 385 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 5: his own experience in a crash retrieval program, but went 386 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 5: on to talk about the more consciousness based aspects, including 387 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 5: the psionics part of this whole thing, psionics being let's 388 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 5: break down what psionics is, because I think there are 389 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 5: a lot of people that are still kind of like 390 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 5: I think I kind of know, but I'm not sure. 391 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 5: The term psionics, first of all, comes from the fifties. 392 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 5: I believe it's the fifties, maybe even a little earlier, 393 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 5: by a man named John Campbell. He was a sci 394 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 5: fi writer. From what I understand, he had a pretty 395 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 5: kind of messed up background in terms of his upbringing. 396 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 5: Ended up being this really kind of eccentric guy that 397 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 5: was into metaphysics but also sci fi, and he coined 398 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 5: this term. In my best understand is it's really the 399 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 5: merging of PSI being psychic ability to lepathy esp you know, telekinesis, psychokinesis, 400 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 5: et cetera with technology. That's the piece that a lot 401 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 5: of people aren't really clear about. So as we're having 402 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 5: this conversation that's happening when it comes to psionics being 403 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 5: a means by which to interface with non human intelligence. 404 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 5: There seems to be a technological or a digital framework 405 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 5: that's also a part of this that makes it a 406 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 5: little bit murky. So that's yeah, yeah, it's very. 407 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 4: Consciousness or even the psionics part of this relates to 408 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 4: other paranormal experiences aside from ET contact. 409 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 5: I absolutely do. 410 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 3: Well. 411 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 5: Look, I think that all experiences that we call SI 412 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 5: related are connected. I really do. How we don't know? 413 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 5: I think the big I think the big thing is, 414 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 5: you know, the common denominator there is consciousness itself, because 415 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 5: consciousness apparently is not confined to a closed loop. It's 416 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 5: not confined to a closed system. It's an ever, it's 417 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 5: an omnipresent phenomenon that we're never without. It seems even 418 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 5: beyond death. So if that's the you know, many there's 419 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 5: so many names for it. Ron we call it the field, 420 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 5: the Acastik field, the zero point. 421 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 4: I was littlely going to ask you what you thought 422 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 4: about the Acahak record, or or they call it the 423 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 4: collective unconscious, like Carl Jung called it that. I think 424 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 4: it's seas to call it the contact record. 425 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 5: All of these things are the divine matrix, even you know, 426 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 5: and we don't know. We can only use as humans. 427 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 5: All we can do is come up with our best, 428 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 5: you know, verbiage to express what this may be. But 429 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 5: we can just call it a field of awareness that 430 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 5: we are all somehow linked to and some people, you know, 431 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,959 Speaker 5: when we get back to this idea of psionics, you know, 432 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 5: some people are more proficient in using a psionic approach 433 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 5: than others. It's like anything else. But I'm just extremely 434 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 5: pleased to see that the conversation with conscious or this conversation, 435 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 5: the UFO topic at large, is now starting to encompass 436 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 5: the consciousness phenomenon, the consciousness topic. 437 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 4: Okay, so if these non human beings have their own 438 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 4: consciousness and it's all tied in with ours, what do 439 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 4: you think the motivations for non human infligences is? Is 440 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 4: there any way to speculate on that? Do you have 441 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 4: any thoughts. 442 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 5: The motivations for them contacting us? You mean, huh? I 443 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 5: think they're a myriad of motivations. I can name some 444 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 5: that have been discussed that have been surmised. Again, I 445 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 5: want to be very clear, I don't know for sure 446 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 5: these are. 447 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 4: All on nobles and I always state that. So, yeah, 448 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,239 Speaker 4: we're specially rightly. But what is your speculation? You study it, 449 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 4: you look at it all the time, you talk to people. 450 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 5: What I guess as I've spoken with individuals that have 451 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 5: had firsthand encounters and what I have heard and what 452 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 5: I surmise, it seems as if we have there's a 453 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 5: symbiotic relationship at some level between us and them. Where 454 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 5: it began, I don't know. Does it come from a 455 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 5: genetic link that we may have was some of these beings. 456 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 5: Does it come from the fact that we ourselves may 457 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 5: be hybridized in some way? These are all questions that 458 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 5: have come up before. I did a book with a 459 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 5: miguelman Doohnsa and Barbara Lamb. When I say I did 460 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 5: a book, I actually narrated the book called Meet the Hybrids, 461 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 5: The Lives and Missions of et Ambassadors on Earth. I 462 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 5: believe this is the subtitle, and it's about eight individuals 463 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 5: who believe themselves to be human alien hybrids. And they 464 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 5: go into exhaustive detail as to how they came to 465 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 5: that realization and how they live their lives accordingly since 466 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,479 Speaker 5: their understanding of that. And it was fascinating to narrate 467 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 5: that book because it allowed me to broaden my perspective 468 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 5: even more as to all of the entry points into 469 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 5: this subject, and there are multiple entry points. But that's 470 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 5: one of them individuals who feel themselves to be a 471 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 5: mixture of alien in human DNA. And so let me 472 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 5: just say this, going back to your original question, what 473 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 5: might one of the interests on the part of the 474 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 5: beings be, Well, they have skin in the game too 475 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 5: when it comes to perhaps the creation of us at 476 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 5: some level. That's just that's just one. But it seems 477 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 5: like we I can't say it enough, that we are 478 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 5: at some level a part of them and they us, 479 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 5: and they have an interest in us. Richard Dolan has 480 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 5: said this many times, God bless him. We're interesting folks. 481 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 5: Why wouldn't Why wouldn't they have an interest in us? 482 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 4: But are you talking to that's interesting? I'm I'm yet 483 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 4: to find much of that. 484 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 6: You. 485 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 5: I don't know. 486 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 4: The thing is a tough one. I mean, I gotta 487 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 4: be honest, that's you know. I mean, these are human 488 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 4: looking beings that you're talking to that are clearly appear 489 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 4: to be human. And I know there's a lot of 490 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 4: research by David Jacobs and others that have these accounts 491 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 4: of people saying that there are hybrids out there. How 492 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 4: do we know such a thing? Though, I feel like 493 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 4: that's it seems like that would be provable, wouldn't it. 494 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 5: Well, again, the word proof I tend to back away from, 495 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 5: but evidence I have seen. 496 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 4: I with the rest of the world, alexis, I know you're, you're, you're, 497 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 4: you're like that, But I'm pretty pragmatic resistant when you 498 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 4: look at it. First of all, here's the thing, you're saying, 499 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 4: most of the world. Most of the world, by the way, 500 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 4: I don't think I would be surprised if most of 501 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 4: the world will be sold one hundred percent at any 502 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 4: given time. 503 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 5: That this is a reality. And there's a lot of 504 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 5: wise to that, not the least of which is indoctrination, 505 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 5: social indoctrination, and the fact that I think that there 506 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 5: are camps that have not wanted us to know the 507 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 5: extent of our relationship with these other beings are other 508 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 5: worlds and dimensions. So I'm not holding out a lot 509 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 5: of hope for this being a mass phenomena in terms 510 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 5: of recognition. This goes back to the idea of disclosure. 511 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 5: Will disclosure be something that's definitive that everyone will say 512 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 5: unequivocally we now know. I don't know, but for those 513 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 5: of us that have an inkling are not afraid to look. 514 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 5: The evidence is overwhelming that not only are we interacting 515 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 5: with a multitude of species, but that we are connected 516 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 5: to them in a multitude of ways. 517 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 4: Even like you mentioned Streeber, how he feels like it 518 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 4: has to do with the afterlife, it could be our 519 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 4: souls that we're connecting with. There does definitely seem to 520 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 4: be some sort of overlap with a lot of these modalities. 521 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 5: Actually, absolutely absolutely yes. The work of Free I don't 522 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 5: know that they go by Free anymore. The Foundation for 523 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 5: Research into Extraterrestrial Intelligence it's now another name, but they 524 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 5: did an exhaustive study, a brilliant study, I think of 525 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 5: four thousand plus respondents talking about the contact modalities and 526 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 5: all of the things that are associated that have historically 527 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 5: been separate, like out of body experience experiences, near death experiences, 528 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 5: shamanic encounters, and how somehow there's a common thread that 529 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 5: links all of these together. So it's quite fascinating. 530 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 4: We've described that entire study is fascinating, and I think 531 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 4: we need more of that. I think that sort of 532 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 4: scientific study is going to move this down the field. 533 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 4: Let's take another break right here. When we come back, 534 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 4: we're going to continue our conversation with Alexis. You are 535 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 4: listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio on Coast to 536 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 4: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. We are back on Beyond Contact. 537 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 4: I'm Captain Ron. We're speaking with Alexis Brooks. Hey, Alexis, 538 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 4: I read that your favorite quote is from Richard Feynman 539 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 4: and he says that it does not harm to the 540 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 4: mystery to know a little more about it. It does 541 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 4: great quote. How does that fee into your way of 542 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 4: looking at these topics? 543 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, it does no harm to the mystery to know 544 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 5: a little bit more about it. Richard Feinman a physicist 545 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 5: by the way, right, I think the reason why I 546 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 5: gravitated to short to quote. I'm a quote person. I love 547 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 5: different quotes that speak to this philosophy. Again, as I 548 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 5: said in the last segment, I think that they're from whatever. 549 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 5: For whatever reason, there has been a mission to somehow 550 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 5: keep the masses blind as to the true nature of reality. 551 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 5: And I've always been defying about that. Are you kidding me? 552 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 6: No? 553 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 5: Way, I want to look I want to look into 554 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 5: the mystery. 555 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 4: I don't know why everybody doesn't feel that way. And 556 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 4: I always say, on this show and everywhere in my life, 557 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 4: what's the harm in giving these things proper scientific investigation? 558 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 4: Why can't we all agree, let's look at this deeper, 559 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 4: let's take it serious, and if we find out there's 560 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 4: nothing here, so be it. But why not come from 561 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 4: a place of looking into it? 562 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 5: I agree, But I will say I don't think we 563 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 5: can ever if after a true and Corey walk away 564 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 5: and say there's nothing to it, because we the yeah, yeah. 565 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 4: Absolutely, people, I don't even want to do that or 566 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 4: immediately dismiss it out of hand. I think are doing 567 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 4: an injustice. 568 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 5: I think they're doing it out of injustice. But I 569 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 5: always bring the psychology back to it. Remember the skeptics 570 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 5: that we talked about. There's something deep in the recesses 571 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 5: of human psychology that knows full well what's going on, 572 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 5: and for whatever reason, there's a denial. Let me give 573 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,959 Speaker 5: you a quick example. I have a dear friend who 574 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 5: I spoke with years ago, who knew I was doing 575 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 5: this work. We went to college together, so long before 576 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 5: I was into this work formerly, of course, and she 577 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 5: felt the need to tell me a story about one 578 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 5: night seeing her dead grandmother at the foot of her bed, 579 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 5: and of course I said, do tell me more. She said, Yo, 580 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 5: I saw her there, she says, But you know what, 581 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 5: I'm not going to believe in it. I'm just not. 582 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 5: This is not the first time this has happened, and 583 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 5: I have interviewed I think, why is that? Adam and 584 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 5: c Well, but you have to ask the question where 585 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 5: is this coming from? Is it a fear? Is it 586 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 5: a fear of ridicule? If you decide, even if you weren't, 587 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 5: to tell anyone, she she made up her mind even 588 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 5: though she saw it with her own eyes, She's not 589 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 5: going to believe in it. So the denial factor, as 590 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 5: a psychological sort of I don't know what you call it, 591 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 5: defect of the human being, is a big one, and 592 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 5: we'll keep and can't and has kept a lot of 593 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 5: people from seeing truth. And I've heard I've had other 594 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 5: testimony before where people would spill the beings on an 595 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 5: experience they had and then push back and say, I'm 596 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 5: you know, I still don't believe it. So it really 597 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 5: begs the question who are we as psychological beings? That's 598 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 5: the other thing, you know, all of these things are 599 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 5: connected and connect back to what we call the contact phenomenon. 600 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 5: You cannot look at the contact phenomenon. You can't look 601 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 5: at this field at all in a vacuum. I think 602 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 5: we have to look at how all of this connects 603 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 5: to the human condition, and if we want, as we 604 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 5: call it, full disclosure, we're really going to have to 605 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 5: address the human condition and the areas that have inhibited 606 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 5: us from learning the truth about all of this. We 607 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 5: have to look at ourselves. It always comes back to 608 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 5: the self as far as I'm concerned. 609 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 6: Run. 610 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 4: Everyone's got their own individual lens too. I mean, you're 611 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 4: talk same Two people have the exact same experience, and 612 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 4: they will see it completely differently. One will be a 613 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 4: religious experience, one will be you know, that was a 614 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 4: hallucination or whatever their explanation is. 615 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,240 Speaker 5: It's interestingly yeah, well again, I think in it's complex. 616 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 5: I don't mean to simplify it all, but I think 617 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 5: it comes down to social indoctrination. We're habitual creatures, and 618 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 5: if we're brought up in a certain framework and we 619 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 5: have something that confronts us that's outside of that framework, 620 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 5: that we're going to be as a default going to 621 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 5: do our best, put it in the box that we understand, 622 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 5: and if it doesn't fit in that box, then it's dismissed. 623 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 5: Hence the reason why I think you get so many 624 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 5: people that will tell you these experiences but say, but 625 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 5: I don't believe it even though I saw it. So 626 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 5: it's quite interesting. 627 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, we can of this belief. You're on a TV show. Congratulations, 628 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 4: the proof is out there. It's been going on for 629 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,839 Speaker 4: four years now. I want to ask you, have you've 630 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,280 Speaker 4: seen any great cases on that show that you felt 631 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 4: could be genuine. 632 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 5: I think a lot of the cases and by the way, 633 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 5: I think i've wrapped for proof I put in four 634 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,800 Speaker 5: years and so yeah, we've done a lot of shows. 635 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 5: A lot of the things that I covered, the stories 636 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 5: that I covered, many of which were a lot of 637 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 5: them were more on the mechanistic the lights in the 638 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 5: sky and the strange sounds. I did a lot of 639 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 5: examining of anomalo of sounds and what they might be 640 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 5: connected to in theories around them. But some of the 641 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 5: most interesting things I've done really were not necessarily directly 642 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 5: connected to the UFO question, but kind of ghostly phenomena stigmata, 643 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 5: you know, a lot of historical examples of anomalies that 644 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,879 Speaker 5: have happened. So yeah, I think you know, they got 645 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 5: our producers got some great stories for me to work on, 646 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 5: and everything has such a rich, rich history behind it. 647 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 5: You know, putting these things into context was very challenging. 648 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 5: But you know, the information is there. 649 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 4: Were you typically familiar with the cases or was it 650 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 4: brand new to you when you saw. 651 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 5: It somewhere new? Some were brand new to me. But 652 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 5: my challenge was to bring context to what, you know, 653 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 5: things that I that have come across my desk, so 654 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 5: to speak, that I could sort of juxtapose with what 655 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 5: I was examining a particular story. All of what proof 656 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 5: is out there does is they get footage that people 657 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 5: send in and we're either to not just debunk it, 658 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 5: but but add credence to it that it could be 659 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 5: what we're saying that it maybe or dismiss it. So yeah, 660 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 5: it was it was really challenging to do. I mean, 661 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 5: they had me doing I was covering stories on the 662 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 5: what is it the megalodon shark maybe still being around. 663 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 5: It was a little bit of a stretch for you, 664 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 5: but I enjoyed working with them a lot. 665 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,359 Speaker 4: Absolutely. Another thing I definitely want to ask you about 666 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 4: because I think you're a fan of this too. My 667 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 4: favorite adjacent subject here, of course, is synchronicities. So I 668 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 4: want to see if those to you have anything to 669 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 4: do with paranormal activity or even contact experiences. 670 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 5: Oh everything, I think they do well. Okay, synchronicity, you 671 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 5: know Young's term coined many years ago, meaning meaningful coincidence. 672 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,800 Speaker 5: I look at it as a coinciding of two events 673 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 5: that create one profound result. And I think that you 674 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 5: cannot have encounters like contact encounters, precognitive encounters, ghostly encounters 675 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 5: without a measure of synchronicity being a part of it. 676 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 5: Synchronicity is almost like the baseline for these encounters, or 677 00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 5: it can act as a springboard, and oftentimesnicity is inclusive 678 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 5: of a contact encounter. So yeah, those are obviously one 679 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,799 Speaker 5: of the one of the more common phenomena that people have. 680 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 4: You know, you think that people that have these experiences 681 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 4: are people who also experience synchronicity all of the time. 682 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I do, I absolutely do. 683 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 4: I'm so what does it? So? What does it mean 684 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 4: to you personally to have a synchronicity. 685 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,359 Speaker 5: Well, I think the first thing I would say, is 686 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 5: when when a synchronicity occurs, it's really just kind of 687 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 5: underscores the fact that the universe is not an accidental process. 688 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 5: It's it's everything is connected. It calls into question our 689 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 5: notion of time and space. I think a challenge. It 690 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 5: can challenge the notion of time and space. You know 691 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 5: I've done. I've done a lot of looking into contrast 692 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 5: and comparison between synchronosity and precognition. You know, when you 693 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 5: have a synchronosity, let's say you have a synchronicity that 694 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 5: And I can tell you about one where I was 695 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 5: thinking about a childhood friend years ago. I hadn't seen 696 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,240 Speaker 5: her since I was literally a child, and some thoughts 697 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 5: ran across my mind about her, and I wondered how 698 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 5: she was doing. Hadn't seen her for I want to say, 699 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 5: forty years, I'm dating myself. Well, i'll tell you what. 700 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 4: You were onest time. I remember right. 701 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 5: The next day, ron I went into a grocery store 702 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 5: that I shop at all the time, locally, and guess 703 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 5: who was there? She was there. 704 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 4: I love this. I love this. See those things. 705 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,240 Speaker 5: It's so great, it is amazing. But here's the point, 706 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,399 Speaker 5: and this is a common thing. But here's my point. 707 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 5: Her name is Michelle. My name is Michelle when I 708 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 5: came by. No, obviously you're talking about someone who researches 709 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 5: these things. So I'm not going to just have it, 710 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 5: acknowledge it and let it go. No, I want to 711 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 5: look into what happened here. Did I conjure Michelle or 712 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 5: was it a synchronicity in other words, or was it 713 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 5: a precognition that I was going to run into her 714 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 5: in other words? The very thought, Oh yeah, I think 715 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 5: that there's there's a blurry line between precognition and synchronousity, 716 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 5: you know, and when when you start to look at 717 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 5: it that way, the whole notion of space and time collapses. 718 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 5: You know, Is there is there any such thing as 719 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 5: even precognition if all things are happening simultaneously, so you 720 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 5: can go down a rabbit hole when it comes to synchronousy. 721 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, this could be a nine hour conversation and I'm unfortunately. 722 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 4: Oh thanks so much for coming on, and you guys 723 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 4: find a lectus at hire journeys dot com. 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