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Speaker 2: Look at this now, Timpton, Jesus, oh doing will be luck?

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Speaker 3: It's time to beat.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you are looking live the best damn combat

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Speaker 2: oh eight and this here, right now is Morning Combat Friday,

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Speaker 2: October twenty fifth, twenty twenty four. Your boy VC Brian

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Speaker 2: Campbell on the ones and twos. That's my co host,

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Speaker 2: the best damn combat sports analyst in the game today,

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Speaker 2: Luke Thomas and Luke it's Max versus Ilia Taporia versus

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Speaker 2: Holloway the featherweight title. We've been waiting all year for

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Speaker 2: this jam. How fired up are you, buddy?

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Speaker 1: I can't even tell you, like how many times we

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Speaker 1: haven't had Friday shows for very long, but just in general,

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Speaker 1: how many times have we had weekends leading up or

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Speaker 1: that is some good fights this weekend. There's some fun fights.

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Speaker 1: No dude, No dude. This isn't a slate of good fights.

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Speaker 1: It's a slate of great fights with on top the

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Speaker 1: on paper. I am fired up in ways I haven't

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Speaker 2: Yes, And if you don't, and if you can't love

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Speaker 2: I heard you told a fecal story that was epic.

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Speaker 1: Well. They had said when I hit one hundred case,

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Speaker 2: Finally coming clean after all these years. Great to hear.

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Speaker 2: Luke had had a nice close up on the BCX

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Speaker 4: It's doing great video, did great views, Luke. Did you

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Speaker 2: you should have been there, Great Long Island. Luke, I'm

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Speaker 1: But this is the official symbol of that podcast, Like,

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Speaker 2: Number one. You guessed it. USC three oh eight goes

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Speaker 2: down tomorrow. Main cards start three pm Eastern ABU DABBI,

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Speaker 2: ESPN plus pay per view, and of course, the Featherweight

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Speaker 2: we speak. Elia Taporia a minus two thirty eight favorite

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Speaker 1: I mean, as much of a believer in Ilia as

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Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed a legend who so often has turned back

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Speaker 2: our thoughts of maybe he's past it or this is

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Speaker 2: But we do have a face off from their press

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Speaker 2: is it safe to say to Pooria the more well

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think he's got a much better

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Speaker 3: Just tune in, man, tune in. I think he didn't

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Speaker 2: Me I don't even ask you.

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Speaker 6: If I do, I will point to the ground and

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Speaker 1: You just trying to see another.

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Speaker 2: Shake the hand and you stay in the middle. If

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Speaker 4: We still will cut you out day the way it

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Speaker 4: take you.

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Speaker 6: Trust trust me, you're gonna wake up from a low.

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Speaker 2: Two more days.

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Speaker 3: And I don't let me talk what I have to say,

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Speaker 3: you know, no, find out, come down.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna find out.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna find out exactly. That's called go ahead.

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Speaker 2: See look, I thought that was you and I arguing

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Speaker 2: you make of what they were arguing about which is

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Speaker 2: saying the first ten seconds of the fight, He's gonna

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Speaker 2: point to the ground. Max saying like, you know, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: It's not the d m F, the dumbest m F.

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Speaker 2: But I'm not gonna exchange with you. Do you think

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Speaker 2: we'll see that to open the fight?

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Speaker 1: You probably will, because Tuporia seems like a stubborn guy.

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Speaker 1: My biggest read from that press conference is that I

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Speaker 1: think you and many other people, including Max Holloway, find

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Speaker 1: Ilia to PORI are very annoying. It seemed like not

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Speaker 1: don't mean that exactly. Max is just too far past

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Speaker 1: That's right. If he can break through, I think he's

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Speaker 2: Luke, was it honest question? Was it tough after being

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean in fact, I was also asked this

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Speaker 1: And I'm like not at all, Like not at all.

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Speaker 1: It's it is impossible. It is impossible to cheer against

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Speaker 1: be delighted for Max. I'll just add if Barcelona wins

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Speaker 2: Yes, we'll get to that in a second. It just

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Speaker 2: one more time, we're talking about rare levels of history,

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Speaker 2: Luke putting the out of side your toy in the bin,

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Speaker 8: I heard Luke wasn't too happy, so I think that

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Speaker 2: But Max, let's be very honest. Luke has been back

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Speaker 2: in Italy a Traporia as the second coming time. What

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Speaker 8: I mean it is that it is you know, when

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Speaker 8: last time I checked. You can tell him. When I

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 2: To be fair that flavor tastes pretty good. Though I've

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. And again it's Max is I mean,

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Speaker 1: the end, right, but just for Max to be back

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Speaker 1: game is so unfair. It's so difficult. It's so hard

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Speaker 2: All Right, one more clip We're gonna get you before

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Speaker 2: we break this fight down, and you reference the Madrid

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Speaker 9: That's what people to understand.

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Speaker 10: What they have here is Barcelona.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got gifted from Barcelona.

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Speaker 8: And the game in a number nine for striker because.

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Speaker 7: They know so Arsenoa's playing Real Madrid on Saturday pretty

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Speaker 1: So he supports Madrid.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, now you're wining the You have the Barcelona kids.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Barcelona kids.

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Speaker 9: Well, thanks a lot, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize he got gifted that from FC Barcelona themselves.

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Speaker 2: So is that a regular season game Saturday that's gonna

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're both they both play in the

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Speaker 1: a it's you know, it's a it's a big deal.

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Speaker 1: It's a big indeed.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, let's break down this fight here. Max

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Speaker 2: never even been knocked down. Let me not say finished.

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Speaker 2: Max was finished in his UFC debut by submission against

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Speaker 2: So when Taporia has upgraded during the press conference this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's ludicrous. I know, I mean, I I appreciate

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Speaker 1: the confidence. You're gonna need it to fight Max Holloway,

434
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Speaker 1: I just don't buy it. I mean, listen, there is

435
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Speaker 1: an argument to make that a guy like Max, particularly

436
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 1: remember he was at one forty five five that goes

437
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Speaker 1: to fifty five, and his punching power was noticeably better,

438
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Speaker 1: although that's something he'd been working on before that and

439
00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:41,879
Speaker 1: then he but he had he got a little bit

440
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Speaker 1: more muscle mass to go to fifty five. Like remember

441
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Speaker 1: I think when he made fifty five, you know, he

442
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,680
Speaker 1: still looked a little bit drained, But that's not because

443
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,879
Speaker 1: he was it was a bad cut, but because he was,

444
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 1: you know, he was. So my understanding is like like

445
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Speaker 1: from the folks around him, like they didn't just want

446
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Speaker 1: to be like, oh, we're gonna keep a forty five

447
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 1: body and then just cut less weight. They wanted to

448
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Speaker 1: get him to be a fifty five body, right, whereas

449
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 1: in the Dustin Poarier fight. My understanding is they didn't

450
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Speaker 1: do that the second Paria fight, right, which was where

451
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,720
Speaker 1: you were there for that one, and they just kept

452
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Speaker 1: him as a one forty five guy and they just

453
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Speaker 1: cut less weight for that one. And it didn't go

454
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Speaker 1: all that well against Poorier obviously, I mean, Max made

455
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Speaker 1: a strong account of himself, but Poorio got his hand

456
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Speaker 1: raised in the end. They didn't want to do that

457
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 1: this time. But now he's going back down to forty five,

458
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Speaker 1: which again he's done that before, but not after building

459
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Speaker 1: a little bit more muscle mass to go along with it.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's actually a pretty interesting question, and

461
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Speaker 1: people have often said, yes, someone will have a great

462
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Speaker 1: chin until they don't. I remember No Gara having I mean,

463
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 1: the most amazing, like absolutely insane chin you've ever seen

464
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 1: in your life, until just one day it wasn't. So

465
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Speaker 1: there is that on the table. But until I really

466
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Speaker 1: see somebody do it, I just don't think you can

467
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Speaker 1: count on that. In fact, it would be a huge,

468
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Speaker 1: huge mistake of Iliot to think I'm just gonna go

469
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Speaker 1: in there and blow the doors off this guy, because

470
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Speaker 1: I blow the doors off everyone else's, you know, I

471
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Speaker 1: blow the doors off everyone else. B se. I'm not

472
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Speaker 1: to say that Max Holloway has a Canelo chin, because

473
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Speaker 1: I think Canelo's chin is literally like one of the

474
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Speaker 1: best in combat sports fucking history. But his chin is absurd.

475
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Speaker 1: It's absurd. It is foolish to think you can go

476
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Speaker 1: in there and just melt that guy with your punching power,

477
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Speaker 1: even if it goes up to fifty five, which you

478
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Speaker 1: did against Johih Herbert. He goes hello, Max has fought

479
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Speaker 1: fifty five rs who were punishing strikers, and he lived

480
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 1: to tell the tale, and by the way, put one

481
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Speaker 1: of their lights out. So I don't buy that. I

482
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Speaker 1: buy that Ilia can win. Absolutely. I do not buy

483
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Speaker 1: he's gonna melt him, especially within a round. No, I

484
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: don't buy him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that. Let me ask you

486
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Speaker 2: a critical question about this. I believe in the latest

487
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Speaker 2: reincarnations of Max, how he bounced back from the first

488
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Speaker 2: two Volkanovski losses, then again, how he bounced back from

489
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Speaker 2: the third one when he got bloody beat up. It

490
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 2: wasn't even a close fight. But do you think there's

491
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Speaker 2: any element of fools gold in the way that he

492
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Speaker 2: beat Justin Gatchee in which everyone's like, oh my god, rightfully,

493
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 2: so Max is back. He's back in the top ten

494
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 2: pound for after that fight, he was a contender suddenly

495
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: for the lightweight title, the featherweight title, defending the BMF title.

496
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 2: Like everything, Max was back. But because Geechee is a

497
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 2: little bit slower, a lot less precise than to Poria

498
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,199
Speaker 2: as a striker, as it pertains to this matchup, do

499
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Speaker 2: we have to be careful not to fall into some

500
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 2: Max fools goal that say, look look at what he

501
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 2: did to Gaiechee. I won fifty five as an underdog.

502
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 2: It's such a different matchup against Aboria.

503
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Speaker 1: Well, in fairness, I mean Max was. I mean, here's

504
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: the thing. If Max doesn't point to the ground in

505
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: the last ten seconds and doesn't get KO'ed right, so

506
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Speaker 1: that somehow the last ten seconds go whatever, dude, Max

507
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: wins that contest, you know what I mean. Max was

508
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: winning that fight no matter what. So I'm not sure

509
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: exactly how to answer that question, Like I I think, Okay,

510
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: So after Max beat Justin, I spoke to Ivan Flores,

511
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 1: ivan Flora's longtime striking coach, and one thing he told

512
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 1: me was that, like they were really working, Like I

513
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: had kind of noticed that, like the power punching of

514
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: Max was a little bit different, not just obviously in

515
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: the Gayschee fight, but even before that you can kind

516
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: of tell he's putting hands on people. It was having

517
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 1: a much more dramatic effect. And I definitely think that

518
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 1: that is real. I think that Max's reinvention. In the

519
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: other cases, he was able to get back on the

520
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: horse and you know, get the win and then the

521
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: Rodriguez win, using a more well rounded ability in order

522
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Speaker 1: to do it. Although that was a that was a hilactious,

523
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 1: tough fight. The point I'm trying to make is this

524
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,719
Speaker 1: is a different Max, this is a better Max. Like

525
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 1: whoever Ilia beats on Saturday, It's not the Max that

526
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: lost to Vulcan the third time. It's a much improved version.

527
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Speaker 1: Or conversely, if Ilia loses, he didn't lose to the

528
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Speaker 1: guy that Vulcan kind of spanked at UFC two seventy six,

529
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Speaker 1: it's a it's a again hard to say vastly because

530
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Speaker 1: it's not like, you know, it's not like the beginning

531
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Speaker 1: of someone's career versus the end where there's this huge difference.

532
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: It's still just a matter of a couple of years basically.

533
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Speaker 1: But nevertheless, they went back to the drawing board after

534
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Speaker 1: that fight and they really said, hey, what are some

535
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: things we can do differently? And I think you've seen

536
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: some elements of that along the way. So I'm not

537
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Speaker 1: sure if I exactly I answered your question BC, except

538
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: to say I think that when you when you, when

539
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Speaker 1: you reconcile with who Max is today, Ilia's task is,

540
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Speaker 1: in my judgment, a tougher one than what Volk had

541
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Speaker 1: in their third fight, in part because he had already

542
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: faced him twice, but because this is a bit of

543
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: a different guy with I would say, much better and

544
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Speaker 1: noticeable firepower along the way.

545
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think for any fear I had in

546
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 2: recent weeks of seeing Max kind of sucked out in interviews,

547
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 2: particularly that Kevin Ioli won, he did make the weight

548
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: at one forty five. He looked good. Some people were

549
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 2: putting his last four fights in comparison to see how

550
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 2: he looked on this day the same. You know, coming

551
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 2: back down from fifty five doesn't seem to be you know,

552
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 2: even though that fight was back in April, it seems

553
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 2: to be like he's done it right. So the question

554
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 2: here is, Luke, has Max ever had to deal with

555
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 2: this exact combination in his featherweight prime of somebody who

556
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 2: not only has the knockout power in both hands, but

557
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 2: you're gonna add in the speed, the footwork, the IQ,

558
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 2: the way that he showed that poison patience to wait

559
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 2: for that opening against Volkanovski that he sniffed out earlier

560
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: in round one, and then look at the ease almost

561
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 2: the precision that he delivered it. Have we seen Max? So,

562
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: we've seen him against fast guys, we've seen him against sluggers.

563
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 2: Have we seen him have to face this complete package

564
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Speaker 2: of a striker.

565
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Speaker 1: Yet yeah, I don't think so. I mean I'm looking

566
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: up and down his record, and obviously he's got I mean,

567
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: his record is just insane. Jose Aldos obviously you know,

568
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 1: I mean absurd. You know. So it's hard to be like, oh, well,

569
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: Ilia is better than Jose. It's not really the argument

570
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: that I'm making. You're making a different one, which is

571
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: styles make fights. How do their styles compare to one another.

572
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: I will say that I do think Ilia is different

573
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: than a lot of these guys. I mean, you were

574
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: talking about someone who's got just ferocious power, very good

575
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 1: boxing incorporates a lot of fainting. I think his defensive

576
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: awareness has also, by the way, like we always focus

577
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: on Ilia's offense, I think his defense, which by the way,

578
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: was was one of his more glaring weaknesses early in

579
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: his MMA career, and to an extent, obviously he still

580
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 1: is a relevant concern. But if you're asking me, like,

581
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: what's gotten better, Yes, his boxing has obviously gotten significantly better,

582
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: but his defensive awareness and his defensive responsibility has also

583
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: gotten significantly better along the way. Then you add in

584
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 1: the fact that this was a guy who was basically

585
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: a wrestler slash grappler to start, and then just kind

586
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: of discovered he was maybe even better at striking along

587
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: the way. It's hard to know if that grappling and

588
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: that wrestling will even play a role here, but such

589
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: that you have to like count the threats. Jose Aldo

590
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 1: was never really gonna take you down. He's got absurd

591
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: takedown defense, right, but he's never really a threat to

592
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: take you down. I mean, consider the Bryce Mitchell fight. Now. Again,

593
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: Max is a lot better than Bryce Mitchell. But I'm

594
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: just sort of pointing out something. How did he get

595
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: him down in that last round? The second round, I

596
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: think he finished him off. It was a three punch

597
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: combination that knocked him down, and then from there he

598
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: went to work with. Ultimately the art I think was

599
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,239
Speaker 1: the arm triangle he finished him with in the end,

600
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: But he didn't actually for a takedown. And again, Max

601
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: is hard to hurt. You have a cat on your shoulder.

602
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,239
Speaker 1: This motherfucker is up in dude. This cat wants to

603
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: bang you.

604
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 2: I mean, oh no, no, he just wants to own

605
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 2: and control me. Luke, he keep going, I'm enjoying this, okay.

606
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: But the point I'm trying to make is I do

607
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: think Ilia represents a very unique kind of threat, where

608
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: in all likelihood it will be one or lost on

609
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: the feet. But he has such great ability both offensively

610
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: and defensively on more so offensively on the ground in

611
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: ways that doesn't seem like the first order priority of

612
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: what you have to prepare for. But he can easily

613
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: overwhelm people there should he want to. Max is obviously

614
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: a tougher nut to crack in that regard, but it's

615
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: a lot to be ready for Max.

616
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: All right. But if you ask Ilia, the difference is

617
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 2: between the two of them. He regularly brings up the

618
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 2: fact that he doesn't think Max has evolved at all,

619
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: which seems unfair, But what he's basically trying to say

620
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: is that in his eyes, the Max featherweight prime is

621
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 2: the same Max today in terms of danger level. And

622
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: then Taporia, of course brings up his own well rounded game,

623
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: the fact that he initially was a wrestler, the fact

624
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: that he you know, I mean, look, I don't know

625
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 2: if you saw on UFC countdown the gym and cryo

626
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: chamber and people in white lab coats that are inside

627
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: of Taporia's house, Like he's not just the next generation

628
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: future star athlete. It seems like he's doing things, I mean,

629
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 2: so the opposite of Max, like training over Zoom during

630
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 2: the pandemic and doing things like Rocky for bear Bone style.

631
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: Separate from that about his house, how much of an

632
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: advantage will this ground game be in this fight, because

633
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 2: it's not like we see modern day Max Holloway being

634
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: taken down, gassed out, and dominated on the ground against anybody.

635
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,239
Speaker 1: This is why I don't think it's like, I mean,

636
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: if you're a Max right and you're thinking about Ilia's

637
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: ground game, what would be the appropriate level of caution

638
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: you would want to take. Well, first of all, Max's

639
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: takedown defense is very good, and more importantly, his distance

640
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: management is also pretty good, which makes the takedown defense

641
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: typically even better. We haven't even talked about it. I

642
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: think Max's movement, his pivoting, uh sometimes his stance switching

643
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: to to get a better, more dominant angle at the

644
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: right distance, is also something I think Ilia might have.

645
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: I think that I think Ilia is gonna have a

646
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: lot of trouble with that. Actually, I thought that to me,

647
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: is like the biggest problem he has to solve is

648
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: the geography of Max. But if you're Max, like, you

649
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: have to know if this, if this somehow ends up

650
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: on the ground, you you're not gonna win there right

651
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: on the feet. Can Max win the fight? Yes, I

652
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: mean there's just really no question about that. Can Max

653
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: win this fight if for whatever if for whatever reason,

654
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: Ili is able to take and keep it there. I

655
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: just don't see that as realistic whatsoever. So you have

656
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: a pretty big imperative if you're a Max Holloway, that

657
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: whatever you do, and this again to an extent, might

658
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: affect his kicking game, right because you know, justin Gatchee's

659
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: not gonna grab a kick and then go to the

660
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: ground to pour you might to poor you might, you know,

661
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: and again will he go for the sub Maybe, but

662
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: he's got terrify, find ground and pound two from what

663
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: we've seen, So it could change some of the ways

664
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: in which he engages on the feet in order to

665
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: mitigate risk about going to the ground.

666
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: Interesting, So if we say the flip side on that,

667
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: if I'm taking the pulse of the expert tour saying, look,

668
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: you still got a favorite Taporia here, but good lord,

669
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 2: can we not count out Max? Obviously people will point

670
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: to the experience, but I mean Taporia has beaten tough names,

671
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: He's climbed the ladder in the requisite timeframe, and oh boy,

672
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: look what he did against Vulcan. No matter what vulk

673
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: was coming off of, that was such an impressive breakthrough performance.

674
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: The things I've heard said Luke, and I want to

675
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: get your opinion on that come down to Cardio. Not

676
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: that to Poria has shown bad Cardio, but the idea

677
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: that Max has gone five rounds so many times, if

678
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: he can survive the early storm against Taporia, whose knockout

679
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: prediction began in the third round, Like we said, now

680
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: he's talking about first round. Is there a distinct advantage

681
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: for Holloway in those championship rounds? Should we get there?

682
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: In your opinion, I mean there is Simply like, if

683
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: you're trying to identif where Max retains advantages, dude, how

684
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: is this even a question? Max is so much more

685
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 1: battle tested than Ilia. It's it's you can't It's it's

686
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: absurd to even try to say Ilia has anything related

687
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: to that. Now, that doesn't mean Ilia will fold there.

688
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: You can't rely on that either. But if you're just saying,

689
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: who do we know? Who do we know can go

690
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: a hard five even where he's getting beat up and losing.

691
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: Like let's say the dustin Paria. If by the second

692
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: one of those who do we know can just stay

693
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: relevant and stay a dangerous threat for twenty five minutes,

694
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: it's easily Max Holloway, Like, there's just no question about it.

695
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: So I definitely give the advantage considerably. Should it go late,

696
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: or I should say, the later it goes, the more

697
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 1: Max should feel some degree of comfort. I think that's

698
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: a good way to put it. I hope, But I

699
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: do question a little bit what people are saying about, Oh,

700
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: you got to weather a storm, and then Ilia might fade.

701
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: He might fade, But I don't know this notion about

702
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,959
Speaker 1: an early storm. Consider well, hold on, let me make

703
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: the point if I make if I can't in the

704
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: fight with Vulk, I went back and I double checked this.

705
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: He to Puria lost the first round on all three

706
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: judges scorecards. Now it wasn't like a rock up, sock

707
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:11,959
Speaker 1: them round. It was a bit of a feeling out

708
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: round for the most part. But the point I'm trying

709
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: to make is, and I said this to our friend,

710
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: she loves the gloves. I got a little bit of

711
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: Tank Davis vibes from him in that file, because I

712
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: went back and I watched it where he was trying

713
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: to set patterns the whole time to get not only

714
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: reactions from Vulcan, but for Vulk to get used to

715
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: those patterns, and it wasn't really until midway through before

716
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: the stoppage happened where he began to then change those patterns, right,

717
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: So he wasn't trying to blitz him out in the

718
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: first Now, again he might point to the ground and

719
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: who all knows, but I'm trying to point out there

720
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: isn't a lot of evidence that he starts strong and

721
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: then his game is not as good late. He actually

722
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: has been pretty measured throughout, So I can I can

723
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: believe and accept that if the fight goes longer, Max

724
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: is just going to know how to step on the

725
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,959
Speaker 1: gas in certain ways that perhaps unaccustomed to. And if

726
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: Max is in Ilia's face, this is going to be

727
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: a pressure situation he simply hasn't had before Max has.

728
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: I just challenged the idea that you have to get

729
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: through the first two rounds, like that's a Hamzat situation.

730
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: You have to get through the first two rounds and

731
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: then there's it fades that's not an Ilia situation.

732
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 2: Well, the idea built behind that was that Ilia throws

733
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 2: such heavy shots, such heavy combinations, that should Max commit

734
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: early on to let's say an elusive style switching stances constantly,

735
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: you know, exiting and almost making to Poria Chase. Could

736
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: he and then you know, while also absorbing some shots

737
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: and sort of playing the game, could that tire to

738
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: Poria out faster? Could Max you know, almost do some

739
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: like ropidope type thing to really leave his tank as

740
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: heavy as possible for rounds three, four and five, to

741
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: really start to turn the tables and put on pressure.

742
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 2: Because look, tell me if I'm wrong. If I look

743
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 2: back at that great shootout at UFC two thirty six

744
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 2: that we mentioned when Max moved up and fought Dustin

745
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 2: for the interim time, the biggest thing I'll say is

746
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 2: is sitting kateside. Not only was that an amazing action fight,

747
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: but it had the unfortunate nature of having to follow

748
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: Autosania Gastulum, which is, you know, the greatest fight that's

749
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 2: ever happened. Apparently if you listen to me long enough,

750
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: Max tried to almost match Poorier power for power combo

751
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: for combo. The majority of that fight. You could tell

752
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: earlier they didn't have the firepower to overcome Pourier. What

753
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: if we see Max go the exact opposite root of

754
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: the game plan he had there and really make to

755
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: Poria have to chase. Is that something that can work?

756
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: Yes, if I think it's important, we just say, like

757
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: what this fight hinges on? Uh or at least one

758
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: are the major fault lines that the winner? The winner

759
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: will be the one who figures this out. Partly, I

760
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: think the jab. Max's JAB is fantastic. It is continuous,

761
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 1: It sets range, it sets up combinations, it disrupts rhythm,

762
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: it sets his own It's fantastic. It's fantastic. Ilia is

763
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: somewhat someone in that regardless, though he puts power punching

764
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: combinations together a little bit more along those regards. But

765
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: I think who establishes the JAB is going to be

766
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: a big one here. But I think the biggest one,

767
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 1: if I can be honest with you, is not that,

768
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: although that's the two are related, it is geography. Notice

769
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: a couple of things. One, all of Ilia's finishes, even

770
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: the great Volkanovsky one, happen up against the fence. It's

771
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: not like he's got a bunch of ko's right out

772
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: there in the open, right, He's got like this. He

773
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: does have melting power, but it's usually like one two

774
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: and then the third one comes and that's usually the

775
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: thudding one that really gets or the fourth one that's

776
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: the one where he's kind of like stepping through it, right,

777
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: and he needs he needs something of a semi stationary

778
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: target and a little bit of momentum to really get

779
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: that power in there. That's gonna be hard to do

780
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: for Max. I think Max has good cage craft. He

781
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 1: does some lateral movement, but it's a lot of jab

782
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: angle off, jab angle off, jab switch stances, catch you

783
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: on the other side all Marvin Hagler, I've actually made

784
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: a whole video about this, So that's a that's a

785
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: big one for me that I think you really have

786
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: to pay attention to. You've got this movement, and you've

787
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: got this guy with Ilia where he's got good power,

788
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: but it seems historically speaking to be a function of

789
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: his ability to crowd a guy and hold him there,

790
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: rather than somebody who just in open space can time

791
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: somebody and then knock their block off. That is, to me,

792
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: Ilia Toporia's central challenge can he do that long enough

793
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: to either stop Max, which I don't think he will,

794
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: or can he do that long enough to win at

795
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 1: least three rounds on judges scorecards after it goes to

796
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: a decision. That's a tough, tough task. If anyone can

797
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: do it, I do think it is Ilia. But that

798
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 1: is where to me the fight is won and lost.

799
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very interesting. Let's see if Max can do that.

800
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: How much of a kicking element do you think we

801
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 2: see in here? Because Luke, there are big time fights

802
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: that commitment to calv strikes early can completely change the program.

803
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 2: But if you commit to that, you can be open

804
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 2: to big shots. Do you see either guy, whether it

805
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 2: is to the Cavs or really trying to target headcakes

806
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 2: at this comes part of the matchup.

807
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: Here head kicks. I don't know. I mean, there has

808
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: been some video evidence we've seen this week where you know,

809
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: maybe Ilia doesn't respond as well to somebody fighting out

810
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: of a Southpaul stance. There is some evidence of that.

811
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 1: I don't think that's crazy. And by the way, Max

812
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: can fight out of the South Paul stance should he

813
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,479
Speaker 1: need to. Again, I think his striking game is it's

814
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: less dangerous in the short run, but it's more dangerous

815
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: in the long run because he can adapt and modulate

816
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: it as need be, Whereas you know, it's like, oh Iliah,

817
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: we need you to fight behind the jab in your

818
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: opposite stance. Can he do that? Probably not. Can Max

819
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: do that? Yes, he probably can. So that makes a

820
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: big difference when I think about that. But you're asking

821
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: about the kicking. This is an interesting one because you

822
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: saw those spinning back kicks that he was landing on

823
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: Gae Chee, right, and you're like, well, well he do

824
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: that against Ilia. Well. On the one hand, Ilia might

825
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: do a lot of like stide side stepping both to

826
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: get out of the way and then blitz position to

827
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 1: catch him. He could also catch the leg and run

828
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: him down. That's another thing he could do, so you

829
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: have to like be careful with that. On the other hand,

830
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: what is one of Ilia's favorite things, dude? It's the

831
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: level change foot faint. He's always doing that level change

832
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: front foot faint. You know, you're gonna open yourself up

833
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: to those kinds of kicks. Potentially if you do it

834
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: long enough, and if Max is not biting on the faints,

835
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 1: that could be a big problem. For him. Conversely, though,

836
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: I do think that people are sleeping a little bit

837
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: on the leg kicking game of Ilia, Like he took

838
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: Bryce Mitchell off of his feet for a second, with

839
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: how hard his leg kicks are. And Max is not

840
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: known as a big checker, you know what I mean.

841
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: And so if ILIA can take out the legs of

842
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 1: Max Holloway and that reduces his jab or his ability

843
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: to meaningfully pivot or change angles or even just lateral movement,

844
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: well now he becomes easier to corner. Again, these are

845
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: all big ifs, but these are the battles that I

846
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: think have to be won and lost in order for

847
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 1: someone to get their hand raised.

848
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: I'm fired up. This is going to be such a

849
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: sophisticated striking duel. I don't think this is ground at all.

850
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: All right, this is this is why being like, oh,

851
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: let's pour it to the ground in the first don't

852
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: fucking do that. I mean, what if they get to

853
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 1: the last ten seconds? Okay, all right, that's the Max

854
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: Holloway special. You gotta play ball in his court, so

855
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: to speak. But the first ten seconds get the fuck

856
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: out of here with that. Who wants to see that crap?

857
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,479
Speaker 2: No? I want to see. I want to see five

858
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: rounds of brilliance and ebbs and flows of momentum. I

859
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: don't want to see a controversial decision, But look at it.

860
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, are we more likely to see

861
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 2: a finish here or a pretty even duel that may

862
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 2: come down to the last round, or one sequence here

863
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 2: where one guy gets his hand raised.

864
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: I think you are much more, much more likely to

865
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: get the ladder. I just again, someone's chin is great

866
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: until it's not. But until it's not, I just am

867
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: not gonna believe that Max is gonna go quietly that way.

868
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: I really don't believe that. Again, it could happen. Obviously

869
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: it could happen, but my best guess is this one

870
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: absolutely goes the full five. And that's why I think

871
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: both guys have their hands full here. I just don't

872
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: see I could see Max putting him away too. It's

873
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: not like I think that's out of the Roman possibility

874
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: with volume punching. But even then, like in the first

875
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: two rounds, that seems unlikely. It seems like even if

876
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: he gets that, it would be inside the championship rounds, right.

877
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: I mean, it's crazy. Excuse me. If Max did this

878
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: and look, I think there's the fools gold element I

879
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 2: was referencing earlier. If you watch the highlight reel knockouts

880
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 2: of Korean Zombie and justin Gaegee is Max isn't necessarily

881
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 2: that striker, and certainly not in a one punch variety.

882
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: But even if a stoppage would come in the method

883
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: you said, through the barrage of volume, particularly late in

884
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: a fight, if toporia is fatigued at all, you're gonna

885
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: get rumble in the jungle comparisons, not comparing Max to

886
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: Muhammad Ali in terms of what they've accomplished, but that's

887
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: exactly that same scenario in so many ways. That's why

888
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: a victory of any kind here from Max to regain

889
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: the title is such a story and takes him already

890
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: as an old timer and just boosts him up. But dude,

891
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: in the jungle parallels, if something like that happened, you

892
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: can't deny that.

893
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I think I have a feeling. I don't

894
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how to describe it. I just

895
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: feel like this is one of those fights where years

896
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: later we're going to be like, do you remember when

897
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: that happened? Whatever whatever the result might be to be

898
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:25,919
Speaker 1: perfectly honest, like, either Max climbs this insane mountain that

899
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: he should never even been here, but but he's here

900
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: because he's Max, or Ilia is going to remind everyone

901
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: my favorite parlance, we see what time it is and

902
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: like whose era it actually is? And so it's either

903
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: this incredible comeback story is a hard way to put it,

904
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: but something of a comeback story BC for Max Holloway

905
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: or the final planting of the flag that this is

906
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: the Taporia era. But either way it will be defining

907
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: both potentially career defining and era defining in historic ways.

908
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: It's a historic fight, no less than it really is.

909
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: Would this be a bigger win on the flip side

910
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: for Georgia or Spain? Or am I barking up an

911
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 2: unnecessary tree?

912
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: Say that again?

913
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: Would Toporia beating Max be a bigger win for Georgia

914
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 2: or Spain? Or how about Germany, Luke, because that guy

915
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: was born in Germany, but it seems like he's ignoring it,

916
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: like you and India to be.

917
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: Fair, Yeah, well, I mean I don't have a whole

918
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: lot of I don't know anything about India other than

919
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: I was born there. You know what I think? Both

920
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: sides will claim, you know, it's so funny, like when

921
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: when he won, it was like, this is a victory

922
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 1: for Spain and then you see like the capital of Georgia, Tblisi,

923
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, this is a victory for Georgia,

924
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: and it's like it's it's it's I don't know how

925
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: to answer that. It's a victory for whoever wants to

926
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: make it their victory, you know.

927
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: But I think the argument for Taporia's star power, particularly

928
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 2: in this era, where we can argue UFC doesn't need

929
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 2: stars as much, doesn't rely on them, and you can

930
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: even go as far as saying they're not maybe not

931
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: going out of their way to cultivate it and the

932
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: way they used to because of everything we talk about

933
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: every episode about the ESPN era. But Luke Toporia could

934
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: be the star that they need at this moment, which

935
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: would answer that question of who's it bigger for Spain

936
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 2: because that is the market UFC has wanted to get into.

937
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 2: And now you've got Dana at the press conference saying, look,

938
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 2: it's tough to get into Spain because all their buildings

939
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: are back up, but we're going to either Madrid or

940
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 2: Barcelona in twenty five. Does that happen without Tuporia? Probably not.

941
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: No, there's no chance. And by the way, it would

942
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: be kind of a mistake to go to Barcelona with Tuporia.

943
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: I mean it's a little hard to explain. But there,

944
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: and I told you guys before the show, but like

945
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: Barcelona and the like, they don't consider themselves Spanish. I

946
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,959
Speaker 1: don't know how to explain this to people, like they don't.

947
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: I mean, they're part of the Spanish country, they speak

948
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: Spanish or but like a buddy of mine just moved

949
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: there and his wife is a Peruvian and obviously speaks Spanish,

950
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: and they were telling me that they'll go out in

951
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: town and people will just refuse to speak Spanish and

952
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: they only speak Catalan, which is its own little language

953
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: that they speak there, like they're very independent of that. Obviously,

954
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful city. The city of Barcelona is incredible.

955
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: I've been there a number of times. It's beautiful. But yes,

956
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: to your point, like you can't go there without Ilia,

957
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: But I'm not even sure with Ilia it makes a

958
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: lot of sense to go there. They should go to

959
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 1: Madrid and call it a day.

960
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: You know, Well, you're saying that area. It has like

961
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 2: a Quebec slash Texas feel where they think that they're

962
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: different and they want out.

963
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: They are different, they're not like the people from Madrid,

964
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: and they're the same with the Basque region. Dude, don't

965
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: you remember? I remember this because you were probably too

966
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: busy doing whips in the army's parking lot. But like, dude,

967
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: the Basque region used to have like they were they

968
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: were separatists at war, Like they were dropping bombs all

969
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: over Spain, like that was a real thing. So like

970
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: even if you go to the Basque country, they speak

971
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: their own language up there that's also non Spanish. So

972
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: Spain's like a really weird amalgam of a lot of

973
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: different people. And like, yeah, it is a country. It

974
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: as a whole, and you can't get through the whole

975
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: place with Spanish. But it's a lot of different, interesting,

976
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: mixed groups that are not all together at all. I'm

977
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: telling you. If you ever go to Barcelona, they have

978
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: like this yellow flag and it's got a star in

979
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: the middle. It's in every window you go down and

980
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: it's there. It's their flag that the parliament there has

981
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: tried to separate from the country numerous times. Their leaders

982
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: in the last couple of years were in freaking exile,

983
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: like they had to flee the country. So like like

984
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: Danna's like, yeah, we'll go to Barcelona with this, I'm like, uh,

985
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: gotta be careful with that.

986
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: A little bit interesting. Do they even get tattoos of

987
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 2: the flag on their arms? So I would never get

988
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: a Connecticut flag on me, Luke. I mean, Connecticut's great,

989
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 2: but uh, lou, quickly before we get into our prediction

990
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 2: on the main here, would it be safe to say

991
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: that eighty five percent of the people in your life

992
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: that you call close friends are married to a woman

993
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 2: from South America?

994
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: No, that's a little strong, but I would say fifty percent.

995
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, there we go, here we go. All right,

996
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: let's do it, Luke. We both are are It seems

997
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 2: like we're both leaning toward a decision here, But I'll

998
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: give you the floor. Who wins in how Saturday Night

999
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: main event three oh eight?

1000
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: I think to Pooria wins by decision? That is my

1001
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: You know, my predictions are no good, but such as

1002
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: they exist, I think that that is the most likely possibility.

1003
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: But I'm not one of these dufises that thinks he

1004
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: can just go in there and melt people with his

1005
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: power like he's Thanos and can just snap his finger.

1006
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: That's that's not what's going on here. I think it's

1007
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: going to be a tough battle. Max is going to

1008
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: be on his horse a little bit, especially early, to

1009
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: really deny Ilia the ability to get meaningful offense going,

1010
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: and might bank some rounds in the process. And so

1011
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: while I also agree Max will have a series of

1012
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 1: experiential advantages late, I do wonder about that weight cut

1013
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: if he's slowly taken damage over the course of it,

1014
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: whether to the body or to the leg. And I

1015
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: think in the end, Ilia does find a way to

1016
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: score the more meaningful offense. To take three rounds to

1017
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: two give me Ilia forty eight forty seven.

1018
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: So I've come around to Ilia completely, as as you

1019
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 2: should when you watch the tape, when you watch the interviews,

1020
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: when you really do the deep dive study. I think

1021
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 2: we will get a last stand here from Max. But

1022
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: I arrive in the same place as you. Three to

1023
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 2: two to Poria. No controversy on the decision. Your eyes

1024
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: will tell you that he was the better man. It

1025
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: won't be Hey, he just became the first man to

1026
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 2: knock out Holloway. Let's build a statue in the center

1027
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: of Madrid for him. But this will be a guy

1028
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 2: who's gonna move up in the pomp for pound and

1029
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 2: who's gonna go on to some really big things. I mean,

1030
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 2: let's not forget he spent this whole week kind of

1031
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: talking up that he wants Islam Mahachev and that he

1032
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: wants to become the first one to submit him, and

1033
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 2: throwing out there still that he wants to knock out

1034
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: Con mc gregor. So this is a guy that is

1035
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 2: really have the vision of how to lay out a memorable,

1036
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: all time great career. You got to win it in

1037
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,479
Speaker 2: the cage for it to happen. But I look at

1038
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 2: the striking of both, I don't think this fight goes

1039
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: to the ground much. I think ultimately that combination of speed, accuracy, power,

1040
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 2: but that patience and poise of his mind. He's going

1041
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 2: to have too many weapons against against Holloway in there.

1042
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: But I think the way he's gonna be able to

1043
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 2: set up his shots, and really he's not gonna make

1044
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 2: a lot of mistakes either. I think this will ultimately

1045
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: be a We're gonna he's gonna get pushed, His stamina

1046
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 2: will get pushed. A lot of things will get pushed.

1047
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 2: But we're gonna find out how great Taporia is. And

1048
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: I think he also does it in a three to

1049
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 2: two variety. Our third member of the show, Long Island,

1050
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 2: Luke Nocida, is Yeah, I guess somebody you can call

1051
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 2: it degenerate gambler. Luke, where are you leaning these days

1052
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: on this man event?

1053
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 5: I hate to be the same as you guys, but

1054
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 5: I would definitely say my guess is Taporia by decision,

1055
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 5: probably three two, maybe four to one.

1056
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,439
Speaker 4: But to be different and to take good odds, let's

1057
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 4: go Max by decision.

1058
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 2: Baby, how dare you?

1059
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a bad bet. I mean, especially

1060
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: with it. What was Max plus?

1061
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 4: What I'll tell you right now?

1062
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 2: Max is one?

1063
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 4: Oh? He's plus two oh five on DraftKings.

1064
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 2: Okay, just moved then?

1065
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: Okay? I mean, you know, plus two oh five for

1066
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: Max when I think he's fully in this fight is

1067
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: not a bad bet at all.

1068
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 5: I want to say, Ilia called the ko in round one.

1069
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 5: That's plus five hundred. That's really not that great of odds.

1070
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, do who the fuck knocks out Max Holloway

1071
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: in a I mean, listen, if can you imagine if

1072
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: he knocks out Max Holloway in a round. I mean,

1073
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: that's hard to even process and like, imagine what that

1074
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: would look like. I just don't buy that.

1075
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 5: I also wanted to say, guys, I put a poll

1076
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 5: in the chat, who does everyone have in the main event.

1077
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 4: We got five hundred something votes. Fifty nine percent are

1078
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 4: taken Max Ooh interesting.

1079
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 2: Wow, So the racist, misogynistic crowd fully behind Holloway here.

1080
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 2: It's great to see. Uh, let's get to the comin

1081
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 2: event before we run out of showtime, because this fight

1082
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 2: deserves just as much as a as a lovely close

1083
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 2: up here. It is the middleweight division. Former champion Robert

1084
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 2: Whitaker reinvented once again with two consecutive victories there after

1085
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 2: that loss, which which he claims the worst night of

1086
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 2: his career. And I think he's proved there. I'm sorry,

1087
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 2: wunk one victory on the comeback there after the loss

1088
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 2: to the DDP before he won the championship, came back

1089
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 2: against Ikrameli. Scareff reminded us who he is. At thirty three,

1090
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 2: Rob believes has got one more run at the title.

1091
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 2: He could get there with a win in this one,

1092
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 2: but he's got to beat hams at Chamayav still unbeaten,

1093
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: thirty years old. But we know about the ups and

1094
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 2: downs in recent years, from illnesses to layoffs to a

1095
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 2: lot of things going on in his career. But as

1096
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 2: we look at the odds right now, you've got hams

1097
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 2: at CHAMAIAV is a minus two thirty eight favorite on DraftKings,

1098
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 2: plus one ninety five for Robert Whitaker. Luke Thomas, I'm

1099
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: a little surprised that Whitaker's the underdog here because the

1100
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 2: one thing I'll say about Hamza when he's on, he's on.

1101
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: It's not like we've seen him long stretches of him

1102
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: being off. He's just had such a weird run of

1103
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 2: late that the one thing I haven't seen him beat

1104
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: is a top righted middleweight yet to be honest, right

1105
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: ran through meershar early on, ran through Kevin Holland on

1106
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 2: about an hour's notice in a catchwaight fight. But not

1107
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 2: only is he going into this division against one of

1108
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 2: the best right now, this is one of the best

1109
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 2: all who's still a living legend and still believes he's

1110
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 2: gonna break through a guy who's only lost at this

1111
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 2: level at middleweight to Israel Ata Sonia and the second

1112
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 2: one was debatable and against the current champion and DDP.

1113
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 2: I'm not really a betting man, but before we even

1114
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 2: get into the breakdown, I'm like plus money on Robert

1115
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 2: Whitaker against the guy who we still have questions about.

1116
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 2: This is gonna be an interesting matchup on sex.

1117
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: I mean, what are his two best wins? Right? I

1118
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: mean you could probably say meershard if you wanted to,

1119
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: or especially especially one eighty five, you could say that,

1120
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: but his two best wins are probably Gilbert Burns and

1121
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: Kamara Usman. Well, those guys are natural walterweights. I mean,

1122
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: well Burns even more, I mean fought at one fifty

1123
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: five for a time, but obviously is a natural welterweight.

1124
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: And again that fight was at one seventy. But the

1125
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: punch on to make is like, that's like, what's his

1126
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: resume at one to eighty five? That gives people so

1127
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: much confidence. That's a big factor for me. Also, man,

1128
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: he was the very very very last guy to weigh in.

1129
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: He did make it at one eighty six, but you

1130
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: know it's did he look great to you? I mean

1131
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: he didn't look like terrible in the scales or anything.

1132
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: I don't mean like he had like a horrible cut,

1133
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: but the fact that, like, this was a guy who

1134
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: made one seventy at one point in his life no problem,

1135
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: is now seemingly having a bit of a hard time

1136
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: not even making one eighty five. By the way, Championship

1137
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: we made one eighty six and was maybe the last

1138
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: guy to do it.

1139
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 2: Did you hear there's a conspiracy theory online from Mma

1140
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 2: Guru that the UFC was given an extra hour to

1141
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 2: him and Aboost maga Metov to weigh in when originally

1142
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,479
Speaker 2: it was supposed to be for one hour. I haven't

1143
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 2: done the research. I don't know if that's true.

1144
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: I think it'd be wise to wait for independent verification

1145
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: from a secondary or third source before accepting that. But

1146
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: either way, BC like, did he look impressive on the scales? No,

1147
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: His whole energy this week has been somewhat I don't

1148
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: know what the word would be, right, Like, how about.

1149
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 2: The word substitute? Teacher? Can we show that pick from

1150
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 2: this week? A lot of people are like changing their

1151
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 2: pick here, mister Nosita, can if we can launch that

1152
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: there we go? Yeah, I mean sorry, Luke missus Johnson's

1153
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 2: has jury duty today.

1154
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: But bro, you know who he looks like. You know

1155
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: how sometimes we'll be in in Penn station together or

1156
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: like mon Hand station together and we'll see those amish

1157
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: people eating New York pizza and waiting for their train.

1158
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: That's what he looks like.

1159
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 2: He does. He does. And you can also look show

1160
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 2: the face off this week that we've seen and we'll speak.

1161
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: Over it here.

1162
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, he's still hams out here, Luke.

1163
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 2: But is there something to the idea that everything he's

1164
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 2: been through is changing him now?

1165
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: At age thirty, Well, he had a kid, and I

1166
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: think that changed him a little bit. And obviously that

1167
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: illness again, was it COVID, long COVID, something else, a

1168
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: combination of factors, We don't know. I don't know, but

1169
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,720
Speaker 1: I definitely think it has played a role in messing

1170
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: him up a little bit. I just don't know if

1171
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: we have the same kind of fiery, intense guy. And

1172
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: you know, on some level, not being fiery and intense

1173
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: all the time is a good idea because what does

1174
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: he do all the time becomes a million Like the

1175
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: guy is shot out of a goddamn cannon and that's

1176
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: fine when you're fighting the you know, the Li Jiang

1177
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: Langs of the world, but that's not gonna work in

1178
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: all likelihood anyway against Robert Whittaker. Here we go again,

1179
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: like who is more battle tested between these two. It's

1180
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: not even a contest. It's not even a fucking contest.

1181
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: Robert Whittaker is so vastly more prepared in terms of

1182
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: experience for this moment than Humsa Shamaya. I have you

1183
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: barely even know what to say. I do think there

1184
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: are reasons to take Jamayav's You mentioned he was a

1185
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: favorite in the odds to take that seriously, and we

1186
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: can get to that, but I also believe like there

1187
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: are big questions. I mean, even if he felt one

1188
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: hundred percent and looked one hundred percent, this is far,

1189
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: into way tougher than anyone he's ever fought, than like

1190
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: half the guys on last minute notice or you know,

1191
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: normal welter weights. This is a whole different ballgame of opponent.

1192
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: And honestly, I think that the case for Robert Whittaker

1193
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: here is pretty decent.

1194
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 2: It is it is. We're gonna get into that, but

1195
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 2: I like what you said where it's a different opponent,

1196
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: a different level opponent, so we don't need to see

1197
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 2: the ultimate warrior version of Hamzak come running in and

1198
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 2: pounding his chest and saying I want to kill everybody.

1199
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 2: And they did ask him that at the press conference,

1200
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,919
Speaker 2: like why are you more, you know, laid back this time.

1201
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 2: I think some of it is the maturity. I also

1202
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 2: think some of it is what you mentioned with the fatherhood. Look,

1203
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 2: Tamav sat down with the ESPN's bro Komodo and shared

1204
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 2: part of his backstory that I don't remember him sharing before,

1205
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 2: and it does sort of change this conversation a bit.

1206
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 2: Let's listen.

1207
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,439
Speaker 9: You said that you were depressed a little bit.

1208
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 7: You know, it's hard to move from one of the

1209
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 7: country it's different country, movie stuff, and change your bank

1210
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 7: account a lot of different things, and Steal has to

1211
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 7: trend and change the team coaches, and I has my

1212
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 7: family and moved the family to different country and he

1213
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 7: still has to be in the gym twice a day,

1214
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 7: you know, So that's suppose it too much.

1215
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 9: So after this fight where you go back to Russia

1216
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 9: or like.

1217
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 7: A going back to Sweden, my son has one surgery,

1218
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 7: has second one. Anything's good thing y So after that

1219
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 7: my son will be healthy.

1220
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 9: So how old is your son? Your only one?

1221
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know.

1222
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 9: How's it been being a dad? So what kind of

1223
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 9: surgery is you getting?

1224
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 4: On?

1225
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 7: Kidney sound programming? I don't know what that costs in English.

1226
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 7: So let's say usually a lot of kids has it,

1227
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 7: you know. So thanks God, he's healthy, he's speaking, you know,

1228
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 7: so he's going running happy.

1229
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: I don't know who was. So when we did our

1230
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: ultrasound when Violetta was in utero, they told us she

1231
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: was going to have to get that she was only

1232
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: going to have one kidney and the other one was

1233
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: all likelihood after she was born going to have to

1234
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: be removed. And we were like, well she's gonna be okay.

1235
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: And the doctor's like, yeah, you only need one kidney.

1236
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: We were like, it seems a little nonchalant. In the end,

1237
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: her second kidney was fine and then she didn't need it.

1238
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: But like, that's the most relatable thing. It's like, it's

1239
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,479
Speaker 1: hard being a dad, and it's hard, like worrying about

1240
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: you know this, you know this, about the health of

1241
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: your children. It's tough, man, it's tough.

1242
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I went through that when my kids

1243
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 2: were born each having six surgeries in the first year

1244
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 2: and going down some crazy roads. So I certainly can

1245
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 2: sympathize with the new level of serious hecticness in Hamzad's life.

1246
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 2: You know how that pertains to the actual fight is

1247
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 2: the big question we have to answer. But look, he's

1248
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 2: been through a lot, if we're being really honest, those

1249
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 2: multiple bouts with COVID. He was saying this week in

1250
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 2: some interviews that when he retired on Twitter that time

1251
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 2: he thought he had cancer. He was coughing up blood

1252
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 2: so often amid those COVID battles that he got misdiagnosed,

1253
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 2: so he literally thought like this was the end potentially.

1254
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 2: So he's been through a lot. There's still that unexplained

1255
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 2: weight miss against na Diez to the level that he

1256
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 2: did and everything that happened there. I still think the

1257
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 2: whole relationship with your boy rams On is weird, and

1258
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 2: maybe there's a lot of extra pressure on him there.

1259
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,919
Speaker 2: But either way, he's going in there against a former

1260
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 2: champion who's not just here to win. If you listen

1261
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 2: to him at media day this week, he's there to kill.

1262
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 2: Let's hear Bobby Knocks get real.

1263
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 6: I'm not I guess I'm not really focusing too much

1264
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 6: on him. I don't think about him too much. I

1265
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 6: get asked a lot of questions about this month. I

1266
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 6: don't think about it, like you know, He's not on

1267
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 6: my mind very much. I am expecting him to come

1268
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 6: out hard and AGGRESSI veim from the first second to

1269
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 6: the last, okay, and I have prepared accordingly for that.

1270
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 6: I've prepared for the hardest part of my life to

1271
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 6: start extremely hard, like sprinting for the first five to

1272
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 6: ten minutes, but also drag it out of five minutes.

1273
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 6: I'm ready to sprint for twenty five minutes if so,

1274
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 6: and yeah, I'm coming for walk.

1275
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 9: You said that you revaluated what drives you and what

1276
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 9: drives you now like today, my family.

1277
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: You know.

1278
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 6: We're going to use the word again, judy. And that's

1279
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 6: a strong word if you understand what it means. It's

1280
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 6: my duty to be there on Saturday night, to turn

1281
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 6: up and to fight your mid the best my ability

1282
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 6: for twenty five minutes. There is no I am not

1283
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 6: leaving this country without doing that. No matter what this is,

1284
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 6: this is my duty to my family. I'm here to

1285
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 6: do that.

1286
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: Damn, I hadn't heard he looks like I got chills

1287
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: here in that. Wow.

1288
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 2: I'm telling you I can be swayed by fancy packaging

1289
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 2: at times. That makes me want to put all my

1290
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 2: money on on on Whittaker. He's telling you that this

1291
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 2: is his championship on Saturday, that that he knows he

1292
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 2: has to pass this test to get to where he

1293
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 2: wants to be. Luke, He's coming for all of it.

1294
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 2: So if Jamaiah ain't the real Tamaiav, this is going

1295
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 2: to be interesting. And maybe if it is the best

1296
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 2: of Jamiav, it still might be crazy interesting. I love

1297
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 2: this fight.

1298
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: I think if we get the best of Tamaiav, I

1299
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: think Whittaker is going to have some problems. But if

1300
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: there's anything lacking in him, he starts strong and fades

1301
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: or they're you know whatever, whatever the situation could be.

1302
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: He's not focused or something. I think Whittaker is going

1303
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: to eat him up. Dude, Whittaker is not the guy

1304
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: you can show up half assed against. You just can't

1305
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: like this guy is as I mean, he is the consummate.

1306
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: Him and Max right like, they've they've been champions. They

1307
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: know what it takes to get to the top. They

1308
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: know what it takes to win. They know what kind

1309
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: of focus you have to have, they know what preparation

1310
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: looks like, and they know what preparation looks like at

1311
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: the very very highest level. There's no there's no doubt

1312
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: about it. They don't have to figure it out. They

1313
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: don't have to, you know, guess about what any of

1314
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: this is. They've actually done it before, and now they

1315
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: get to refine the process. And in cases of both

1316
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: Max and Robert Whitaker, you know, this is only fine

1317
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 1: tuning for them, and so I think for that reason,

1318
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: like to me, Ilia looks fully prepared, and so that's

1319
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: why I think there's some confidence in his ability to win.

1320
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: But with Tom Zott, it's like he's got the skills

1321
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: you definitely think to win, But does he have all

1322
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: of the other things he might need to get to

1323
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: that point? I don't know. I genuinely don't know.

1324
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 2: All right. As we look at the middleweight rankings right now,

1325
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 2: Sean Strickland the number one contender. He's expected to get

1326
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 2: the next show at DDP in a big rematch Adasania

1327
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 2: at two. Robert Whittaker coming in at rank three. You've

1328
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 2: got Imama Imavov and Walhallio. After that we have to

1329
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 2: go down to thirteen to find Hams that Chamaya. But Luke,

1330
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 2: we don't always follow the rankings on how we fill

1331
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 2: things out here. Do you think the winner of this

1332
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 2: fight does get the next shot after the DDP chan rematch.

1333
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: Assuming that the win is not some like you know, uh,

1334
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: someone got knead in the head, you know, and they

1335
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 1: have to call it off like Sterling Yon one or

1336
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: something like that, and it's like a real win. I

1337
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: think that the winner here should get the title shot.

1338
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: I mean again, it's Strickland does have a decent argument,

1339
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: a decent one, which is that, like you can look

1340
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: at that fight and be like, did he win it?

1341
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: And again upon rewatch, I thought he did against DDP,

1342
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: and so I feel like that's a that's a decent argument.

1343
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 1: On the other hand, Whittaker's just been busy. He's been busy,

1344
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: and you go out there and you fight the guy

1345
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: that basically nobody wants to fight and you beat him.

1346
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: Sent on home soil. I mean it's not you know,

1347
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: he's he's a new relatively new resident there, but you know,

1348
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: it's sort of a predominantly Muslim country, you know, he's

1349
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: not going to be Whittaker is not going to be

1350
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: the guy that the crowd is an all likelihood cheering for.

1351
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: And so you know, you go in there and you

1352
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: beat a guy like that after everything he's done, and

1353
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: let's say, let's again, let's posit a scenario. He puts

1354
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: it on CHAMAIAV like like, finishes him off. How do

1355
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: you how do you not give Whittaker the title shot? Conversely, conversely,

1356
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: with all these questions surrounding Hamzat and again he doesn't

1357
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: have the body of work, But you go in there

1358
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: and you finish off a guy like Robert Whittaker, that's

1359
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: about his quality a win as you can possibly get

1360
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: in that division, and it just doesn't come. The only

1361
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: way you can get a better version is if you

1362
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: fight for the actual title. And so I just feel

1363
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: like this win to me is just so much more

1364
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: of a signifier of real number one contender status versus

1365
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: a guy who, yes, performed very well and all and

1366
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: all things being what they are against DDP the first time,

1367
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: but definitely didn't get his hand raised. I don't know,

1368
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: you can't cry if Sean Strickling gets the title shot.

1369
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: There's good reasons for him to get one, but personally speaking,

1370
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: I think a clear winner here would be the actual

1371
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: deserved guy.

1372
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 2: I fully agree with you. Let's find out who wins now, Luke.

1373
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 2: A lot of people are saying, hey, if you rewatch

1374
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 2: the dupless fight, the ease at which he was able

1375
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 2: to take Robert Whitaker down and physically dominate him, then

1376
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 2: you got the flip side of Whitaker saying I can't

1377
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 2: explain it, but it was the worst night of my career.

1378
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 2: Everything went wrong. I just didn't feel it. He bounces

1379
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 2: back against Ali Skaroff in such a dramatic way that

1380
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 2: we know at this age Robert Whitter can still produce

1381
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 2: a championship level performance. But Chamaiav's game when he's in

1382
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 2: first gear and in control is taking you down, exhausting you,

1383
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 2: and battering you. That's this is the central tension, Luke.

1384
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 2: When Chamaiav tries to bring him to the ground, how

1385
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 2: will Rob perform? In your eyes.

1386
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: On the ground, I think Rob's going to have some problems.

1387
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 1: I think that chim Iev's takedowns are again assuming that

1388
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 1: he's okay, are just absurd. I think that he has

1389
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 1: speed on his level changes like lightning, you know, and

1390
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: his ability to marry control positions, to break your base,

1391
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: to flatten you, to control you, whether he's crab riding

1392
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: or near side risk control, across a risk risk control,

1393
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: you know. I just everything he can do is so

1394
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: fluid and strong and to your point. Like again, I

1395
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: go back to it. The way in which he was

1396
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: able to pass DDP Whittaker's guard was this thing called

1397
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: the tozy or the cell polo pass, which is like,

1398
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: you know, there's more than this, but there's basically two

1399
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 1: kinds of passing, mobile passing like a torreando pass, and

1400
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: then like you know, this grinding smash pass, and it

1401
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: was a smash pass and it worked, like well, dude,

1402
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: Like if that works for a guy like DDP, you

1403
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: would just imagine a guy like Hamza could do that.

1404
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 1: And then some I think, I think that he's going

1405
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: to give him real problems. But the thing is like

1406
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: Kamara was able to hold on. Kamar's got great wrestling,

1407
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: Kamar really showed up for that fight. All things what

1408
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: they were, so I don't know, I'm of two minds, man.

1409
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I really like you talked about the storm

1410
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 1: with Ilia. I just don't believe like the early one,

1411
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: I don't really buy that as a frame, but I

1412
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 1: do buy it with Hamzat, I do buy that if

1413
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: you can outlast him, Like if this fight, let me

1414
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: ask you be see if this fight goes to the

1415
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: fourth round, even if Rob has lost the first three,

1416
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: would you not really feel like, Okay, Rob's got a

1417
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: real opportunity here? Does he not?

1418
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 2: He does? But if you think I can keep talking

1419
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,439
Speaker 2: after you said the term smash pats and not bring

1420
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 2: up Wellmalley's marital situation and the fact that hawk Tua

1421
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 2: girl says that she won't he won't stop calling her

1422
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 2: DM ing her you're crazy. But yes, Luke, the late

1423
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 2: later this five round non title comin event about goes

1424
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 2: considering the great questions we have about Tremaia, especially if

1425
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 2: Jemaiah gets early wrestling success but does not is not

1426
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 2: able to turn that into heavy ground and pound, he

1427
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 2: could end up guessing himself out in that process. So, Luke,

1428
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go right to the pick here and tell

1429
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 2: you this. I got Robert Whittaker coming back, getting back

1430
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 2: into the title slot. Maybe in a rematch with DD people.

1431
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens in that Strickland fight, but I

1432
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 2: think he stops CHAMAIAV in those championship rounds. I'm all

1433
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 2: in here on Whittaker. You do know he's one of

1434
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 2: my favorite fighters ever. But I really believe he's got

1435
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 2: enough juice left to make another run.

1436
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 1: You know what, you might have just convinced me. I

1437
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: this is this is This one's harder for me. This

1438
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 1: one's tough because Whittaker is better overall in so many ways.

1439
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 1: But Hamza is such a ball of fire. Early. Fuck it.

1440
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 1: Give me Whittaker, Give me Whittaker. I'll take you. I'll

1441
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: take Whittaker. You know what, I do want to hear

1442
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: what Long Island Luke has to say? Where are you

1443
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: on this one? Now? Granted Long Island Luke, I mean

1444
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: he'll just blow any Aussie that that exists. So I

1445
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 1: don't know if that, Where are you on this one? Now?

1446
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 4: Whittaker is my favorite fighter. I will preempt with that.

1447
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 5: But I did say earlier in the week I think

1448
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:01,439
Speaker 5: hams ot and rounds one in two. As the week

1449
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 5: has gone on, I think you guys have swayed me

1450
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 5: as well. I'm going Bobby kay around.

1451
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: We're all We're all about to take a fucking bath

1452
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: on that one, probably, But you know what this one.

1453
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 1: I love about these fights, dude, Like the best fights

1454
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 1: in MMA, they are hard to call. They're not easy

1455
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 1: at all to predict. There's so many things that could

1456
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,679
Speaker 1: make it go one way or the other. It's really

1457
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 1: what I love about.

1458
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 2: Him, Dude. I'm more fired up than I was when

1459
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 2: Shop was like, turn the fuck up, dude. That guy

1460
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 2: went Ham, that guy went Ham in the pain on

1461
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 2: the two nine.

1462
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: He actually he left me a voicemail. I have to

1463
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: I have to hear it. I don't know what he's saying.

1464
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:38,719
Speaker 2: Oh, you should play it on the air. We would.

1465
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 1: I'm definitely not doing that. I'm definitely not doing that.

1466
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I'm coming around with with the most

1467
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 2: Shop respect I've had in a long time. Luke, he's

1468
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 2: making moves, all right.

1469
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: Hey, listen, man, you push a guy long enough and

1470
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: he pushes back.

1471
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 2: You jerking guy off long enough, Luke, you're gonna have that. Hey,

1472
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 2: we all learned that in uh Frat, in our Frats

1473
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:00,600
Speaker 2: and First Night and.

1474
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: Good we all right?

1475
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, kotopic number three, let's keep it going. Hey, you

1476
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 2: gotta know about what's gonna happen here for the future

1477
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 2: of the light heavyweight division. Magomet Ankliav is the number

1478
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:13,600
Speaker 2: one contender. He was the number two contender and he

1479
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 2: got booked into this fight against Alexander Rakich, who was

1480
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 2: great but coming off of two stoppage defeats. Not only

1481
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,759
Speaker 2: did he miss out on the title shot against Alex Pereira,

1482
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 2: who took on Khalil Roundtree rank number eight. It is

1483
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 2: said this week that the UFC told Ankliev, who seemed

1484
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 2: to confirm this in the media stops he did, that

1485
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 2: the UFC said, You're not only gonna have to win

1486
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,520
Speaker 2: against rackets, it's gonna have to be an exciting performance

1487
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,639
Speaker 2: for you to get the NOD. So that's the setup

1488
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 2: for what's at stake here. As the big favorite Ankliav

1489
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:47,679
Speaker 2: minus three point eighty against a very qualified Rackage plus

1490
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 2: three hundred Luke Thomas lot going on in this fight,

1491
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 2: But let me ask you that important question first. Will

1492
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 2: this be an exciting one that that gives Ankliev if

1493
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,599
Speaker 2: he wins, the opportunity to make the leap, or these

1494
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 2: two in some weird way gonna cancel each other out

1495
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 2: because an caliab somehow seems to not be able to

1496
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 2: get out of his own way.

1497
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: I think this one's gonna be a little bit more

1498
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: nip and tuck. You know, remember you go back to

1499
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 1: three hundred rackets. In that first round tuned yearie up,

1500
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 1: I mean year. He got a couple of good shots in,

1501
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: but in general that first round rackage one. After that

1502
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: it kind of went downhill, even though you know, Yuri

1503
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 1: just doesn't basically have defense. So obviously he and you

1504
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 1: mentioned the Blohovic fight, although obviously it's a little bit different.

1505
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:34,600
Speaker 1: But he obviously has vulnerabilities. But it's not like on

1506
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 1: Calia has ever shown like really great sustained smart offensive

1507
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: pressure now against guys who are you know, Donkerson and

1508
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 1: Rick Rickerson, like a Johnny Walker. Yes he can do that,

1509
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 1: but Rakas is not quite that guy. I think he's

1510
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,799
Speaker 1: a little bit more put together. He's definitely very athletic

1511
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 1: and strong as well. He can mix it up, he

1512
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: can wrestle, and so I think this one's gonna be

1513
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: a little bit more true mixing of the martial arts.

1514
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be some changing on the feet,

1515
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 1: but I actually think it's going to be all the

1516
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: phases there's gonna have to be a real gut check

1517
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 1: moment through various positions rounds for the winner here to emerge.

1518
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: What are the odds you may have mentioned him? I

1519
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:13,600
Speaker 1: may have missed it.

1520
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are a plus three I'm sorry. Minus three

1521
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,599
Speaker 2: eighty is aunt caliath plus three hundred racks.

1522
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 1: That seems insane to me. That seems insane. I recognize

1523
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:28,440
Speaker 1: that on Callive is probably better and has more reliable

1524
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 1: methods to win. I don't think that's unfair, and I

1525
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: would pick him straight up. However, Jesus Christ, like the

1526
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 1: confidence in on Calia to like effectively close the show

1527
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 1: I think is misplaced here a little bit.

1528
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 2: You also at the stare down between the two of

1529
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,600
Speaker 2: them this week in rackets, despite coming off of the

1530
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,879
Speaker 2: two TKO losses, the second one due to injury, certainly

1531
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,719
Speaker 2: one of the better fighters in this division. You see

1532
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:54,600
Speaker 2: that intensity.

1533
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: He's a big dude for two five two man.

1534
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 2: It is long island. Look can we jump from here

1535
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:03,520
Speaker 2: to the rastic back that Rackets was showing on social media?

1536
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 1: Good Lord Louck, I mean yo, that is dude. You

1537
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 1: know who used to have a back like that in

1538
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 1: his prime? You know I'm not kidding. Tell me if

1539
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. Evander Holyfield, Oh good god, yeah, Evander Holyfield

1540
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: had a back like that, Like that is you're like,

1541
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:21,640
Speaker 1: what about Usada? Yeah? What about him?

1542
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 2: Or what he is? War already he's gonna come for

1543
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 2: the fight and your girl with that type of back.

1544
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 2: Let's hear from ank Elia this week, who is not

1545
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 2: afraid to stir the pot and feeling like a lot

1546
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 2: of us do that. Yeah, maybe at times he's boring,

1547
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 2: but what about meritocracy? This guy deserves to be back

1548
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 2: in the title spot.

1549
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1550
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,839
Speaker 11: So you know, we know that Rochester is a great fighter.

1551
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 11: I think the only reason that the UFC put him

1552
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 11: in front of me is to defend their champion. So

1553
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 11: we're gonna go across from him, We're gonna roll him over,

1554
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 11: and then we're gonna move on to the champ.

1555
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 2: Now, Luke, there's a theory from my colleague Brookhouse of

1556
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 2: CBS Sports. So you know, well where he gets very

1557
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 2: angry when people like me say, well, look, Ankliah the

1558
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 2: toughest style matchup available with the champion Poeton. What he

1559
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 2: does is show me the stats of how little Ankliath

1560
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 2: actually attempts takedowns in his last five or six fights

1561
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 2: and really tries to push back on the on the

1562
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,680
Speaker 2: idea that this guy's boring because he tends to let

1563
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 2: his hands go more than ever. Now where are you

1564
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 2: on that idea that should he survive in advance here

1565
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 2: that he's the toughest out available for Poeton at two

1566
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 2: o five.

1567
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: I mean, he might be, but I don't know how

1568
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: tough that is. I mean, you're looking at the stats

1569
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 1: he averages per fifteen minutes talking about Unclia. Basically one

1570
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 1: takedown per fifteen minutes. That good enough to beat Poeton.

1571
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 1: One takedown per fifteen minutes. Probably not. That's not even

1572
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 1: two for twenty five, you know what I mean? Like you,

1573
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:53,599
Speaker 1: I like this idea that he's a takedown I mean, dude,

1574
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 1: the whole Blahovich fight and the reason why it was

1575
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: a goddamn draw was because he just sat there getting

1576
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 1: leg kicked for much longer than he ever needed to.

1577
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 1: Then when he finally went to the wrestling, he was

1578
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 1: able to have some success with it, but then didn't

1579
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 1: do a lot with it when he had it. It's like,

1580
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: this is the guy that everyone's supposed to be afraid

1581
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 1: of and I've said this before, be see tell me

1582
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: if you disagree. I know there's a lot of folks

1583
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: who are new to MMA who just can't even fathom that.

1584
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 1: You know, two five used to have a shit ton

1585
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 1: of good wrestlers. Rampage was very good defensively wrestling less

1586
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 1: so offensive, very good. Rashad Tito Ortiz, by the way,

1587
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 1: had obviously very good wrestling. Dude, how about Phil Davis?

1588
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 1: Phil Davis would be I mean he's he's a little

1589
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 1: bit gun shy in terms of being hit, so he's

1590
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 1: not like some overwhelming offensive threat in that way. But

1591
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 1: like if he was able to get his hands around

1592
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: poets on, it's just a different ballgame. And then you

1593
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 1: fact to forget DC, forget John Jones, a whole different

1594
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 1: ballgame there.

1595
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,440
Speaker 2: Showgun. I mean, these guys have grabbed Showgun.

1596
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:51,640
Speaker 1: Not a great takedown guy and not not at all.

1597
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:53,640
Speaker 1: But I know what you're trying to say, like the

1598
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 1: current state of light heavyweight. People get mad at me

1599
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 1: when I say the sport was, or that division anyway,

1600
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: was better ten years ago. It was vastly more difficult

1601
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 1: to succeed there ten years ago. So uncle, iive has

1602
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: nothing to be dismissed, But I'm with Brent on this one,

1603
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 1: this idea that he's like some takedown powerhouse. He has

1604
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 1: some of those abilities, but putting it together in a

1605
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 1: coherent game plan that's consistently applied has not been a

1606
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 1: strong suit of his.

1607
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:20,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1608
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 2: Indeed, look, you've played up the dunkness and an caliav

1609
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 2: and there is a string here of bad luck slash

1610
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,679
Speaker 2: you know, like you said, not the best performance against

1611
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 2: Buxhovich with a vacant title on the line. Do you

1612
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 2: know what the ultimate donk situation here would be for him?

1613
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 2: If he takes too much to heart the UFC's insistence

1614
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 2: that this might be exciting and he unnecessarily gets into

1615
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 2: a war and gets stopped. Would that be on brand

1616
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 2: for him? If that's where we end.

1617
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 1: Up his UFC debut. He was beaten the shit out

1618
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 1: of Paul Craig and then got subbed at the last

1619
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: second in the third round by staying in Paul Craig's guard.

1620
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 1: That's well within the post ability. And again that was

1621
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 1: before people really knew that Paul Craig's guard was a

1622
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 1: big problem. Okay, fair enough, but nevertheless, it's like I

1623
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 1: mean on Calive has a lot of ability, because we're

1624
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,720
Speaker 1: talking like he doesn't have ability, He's got ability. Like

1625
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 1: how good is his jab when it's on, It's great?

1626
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 1: How good is his defensive wrestling when it's on, it's

1627
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 1: very very good. His defensive wrestling overall BC eighty six percent,

1628
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: that's pretty fucking good, you know what I mean? Like,

1629
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 1: no one really puts it on him in that way.

1630
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 1: But again, I go back to it, it's not just

1631
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 1: do you have these individual skills, it's the blending of

1632
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: them and then the application of them in a consistent, rational,

1633
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 1: aggressive manner. That has been something that has been a

1634
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:41,680
Speaker 1: real problem for him, with the exception of like, you know,

1635
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: Johnny Walker, who's just you know, the king, King of

1636
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 1: the Donks, Johnny Walker.

1637
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, You're right, this is a

1638
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 2: donk division. Like I have no disrespect for Dominic Grayis,

1639
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 2: but he was supposed to be the next takeover of

1640
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 2: the division and he just donked out. Right, my head

1641
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 2: almost puts a settle from Jones and his knees donk

1642
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 2: out and he's done.

1643
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 1: Like it just it's I'll I'll be honest. I did

1644
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 1: think that Rey has beat Jones. That's the only fight

1645
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 1: I've ever seen of John where I'm like he lost

1646
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 1: this one. That's the only one.

1647
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:10,759
Speaker 2: But where they asked Dana to make the perfect fighter,

1648
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:14,839
Speaker 2: and they asked him every category. He said, John Jones

1649
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:17,560
Speaker 2: for every category but one he gave Connor McGregor with

1650
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 2: the other one.

1651
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 1: How does he give like striking? How does he pick

1652
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 1: Jones over like poetan? I don't even know.

1653
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 2: I mean, look, Jones a great striker, but yes, there's

1654
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 2: been Jones.

1655
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: Is a good MMA striker, that is true, But like

1656
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 1: that's that's the best MMA striker you can think of.

1657
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:34,679
Speaker 1: I don't don't think that's true.

1658
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 2: Uh, for all we're saying here, if it's an Uncle

1659
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 2: Ayah fight, we're gonna get somewhere in the middle of

1660
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 2: our expectations. So I'm gonna give a win here, Luke.

1661
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 2: I think he wins this fight. The problem for him is,

1662
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna be insanely over exciting. I

1663
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be one of those wins where there's

1664
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 2: a little bit of survival involved. He you know, he

1665
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 2: edges out rackets, who's plenty motivated here to get back

1666
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 2: into this title mix. Give me ankle, I have by

1667
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 2: somewhat close decision which will fuel those arguments of now

1668
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 2: does he get it? There might be an opening there

1669
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 2: for someone else to steal it with a big win.

1670
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 1: I agree. I basically think that Rakich has some physical

1671
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 1: tools where if on Calive is not applying, I think

1672
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 1: he I think, I want to be clear, I think

1673
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 1: on Calive has room for error here, so it's not

1674
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 1: like any error is super costly, whereas, like you know,

1675
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 1: in the main event, any error is very costly in

1676
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:31,679
Speaker 1: either direction. But uh, I think he's got a little

1677
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:35,679
Speaker 1: room to play with here. But I think that Rackage

1678
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:37,599
Speaker 1: is a bit of a live dog. I'm gonna go

1679
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 1: with on Calive. I think on Calive gets it done.

1680
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 1: But I just I'm a little bit hard pressed to

1681
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:44,760
Speaker 1: be like, Oh, he's gonna look super impressive if the

1682
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 1: guy at all standing next to him or in front

1683
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: of him, is you know, defensively responsible or you know,

1684
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 1: by the way, this is something we haven't even talked about.

1685
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 1: Rakach has pretty good takedowns. His overall success rate is

1686
01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 1: just twenty five percent, Like that's pretty low, but hope

1687
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 1: he'll go for them over and over and over again,

1688
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 1: so he can get at a bare minimum, he can

1689
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 1: stall out a fight or slow down momentum or you know,

1690
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 1: whatever he needs to, assuming he's not getting bombed on

1691
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 1: like Yuri's a bad matchup for him because Yuri took

1692
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 1: a lot of punishment but for now still has durability.

1693
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: And then that left RACKETE available and open. But on

1694
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 1: Caliove doesn't strike that way, right, So I think it'll

1695
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 1: be I think it'll be a little bit nip and tucked.

1696
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: Give me twenty nine to twenty eight on Caliove.

1697
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 2: The rankings, by the way, so un Caliov moved from

1698
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 2: number two to number one, where they have him tied

1699
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 2: with Blohovich, which I don't understand. Look, I don't even

1700
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,799
Speaker 2: understand rackets at five coming off of two TKO defeats.

1701
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 2: Is there just no one else? So he's got to

1702
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 2: be at five. I don't understand how he can still

1703
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,639
Speaker 2: be ranked that high in that scenario. And by the way,

1704
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:48,719
Speaker 2: the rankings the latest update moved Max Holloway up four

1705
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 2: places at lightweight despite not having a fight in between.

1706
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 2: I don't understand this at all.

1707
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there are criticisms to make of the

1708
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 1: rankings like Dana being like, I don't like the rankings. Okay,

1709
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:59,719
Speaker 1: fair enough, but then when you hear what he doesn't

1710
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 1: like about him, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

1711
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 1: But if you're just looking at the division on Calive

1712
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 1: sitting at one for two O five, okay, Prahatchka sitting

1713
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:10,639
Speaker 1: at also at one, I don't agree with that, but okay,

1714
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:14,640
Speaker 1: three is Jamal Hall, former champ who lost to the

1715
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:16,640
Speaker 1: number one guy and they bumped him down. That's not

1716
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 1: the end of the world. Blohovich at four. I don't

1717
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 1: quite get that one either, And then Rackets sitting at five.

1718
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 1: It's a little high, especially because Krilov has been inactive.

1719
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 1: And then you got Roundtree sitting at seven, which I

1720
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 1: actually kind of understand. So, I mean, there's just nobody

1721
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 1: making big waves. That's the problem with two of five.

1722
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 1: Like at one five there's people like Anthony Hernandez clawing

1723
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 1: his way up. You know, obviously at one seven you

1724
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 1: look at Shofkat just burning through the division. Two of

1725
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 1: five doesn't really have that, and so as a consequence,

1726
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 1: you're just like, do these rankings make sense? No, But

1727
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 1: the division itself is weird. It's I'll say this in

1728
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 1: defense of the rankings committee. It's actually a little hard

1729
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 1: to rank two of five right now.

1730
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 2: And I said it was Yon tied for first. I'm

1731
01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 2: at YEARI in that in that case, but we'll see

1732
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 2: where we got. Yeah, I don't disagree with what you're

1733
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 2: saying right there. But look, before we continue on with

1734
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 2: this show, I gotta bring up something. You kind of

1735
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 2: look really fit in that T shirt there.

1736
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what. It's a It's a great T

1737
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 1: shirt brand. Why don't you tell them about it?

1738
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Speaker 2: So we have partnered with True Classic, which makes just

1739
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Speaker 2: the kind of clothes I'm looking for, the kind that

1740
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Speaker 2: are lightweight but of high quality, very comfortable and Luke,

1741
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:25,600
Speaker 2: i'man you. You're looking like you're about to go in

1742
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 2: the gun show.

1743
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 1: There.

1744
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 2: You know what I'm telling you so far. When I

1745
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:31,520
Speaker 2: put on the T shirt, when I put on the sweatpants,

1746
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 2: which I'm wearing right now, and I wear everything from

1747
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 2: exercise to sleep to grocery shopping, very performance ready, I

1748
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 2: will say the fit just feels good. It makes me

1749
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,600
Speaker 2: feel fit because it's highlighting everything I want to be

1750
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 2: highlighted and in some ways putting the rest to the side.

1751
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 1: You know what, I mean, here's the reality whenever I

1752
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 1: wear True Classic, and this is the only compliment that

1753
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 1: matters in my life. But it's like, I mean, it's

1754
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 1: either you win this one or you don't. It's the championship.

1755
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 1: My wife loves it when I wear True Classic. She's like,

1756
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 1: I like, yes, you know, do I have a lot

1757
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Speaker 1: of patterns? No, it's a plain look, but it actually

1758
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 1: my wife loves that. Again, it fits great. I feel great,

1759
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 1: I look great in it.

1760
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 12: Uh.

1761
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 1: And if I can get my wife's seal of approval, buddy,

1762
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 1: you're cooking with freaking gas at that point. What more

1763
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 1: do you need? If it's if it's man approved and

1764
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Speaker 1: woman approved, you're covering all your bases, Theresa, I got.

1765
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 2: I gotta say it's a woman approved in my house

1766
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 2: because you know, Luke, I can get a little bit

1767
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,720
Speaker 2: exotic with my color pattern tastes. What you get from

1768
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Speaker 2: True Classic, though, is just that the True Classic look.

1769
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Speaker 2: The dark navy blue, the gray, the black. Like you're saying, premium,

1770
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Speaker 2: premium products at a very affordable price. And for me, Luke,

1771
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1772
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Speaker 2: if it's gonna be you know, worn out in three

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Speaker 2: washes or not.

1774
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Speaker 12: Not.

1775
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Speaker 2: There it is right there, You too can look like

1799
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Speaker 2: Luke Thomas, a true classic. I wouldn't say America, well

1800
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Speaker 2: American classic, but also at true Indian classic, Luke. Just

1801
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 2: to be fair to your background and your heritage.

1802
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 1: Where were you born?

1803
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:14,559
Speaker 2: Waterbury, Connecticut, war torn water, the dirty water as they

1804
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 2: call it, Luke Hey.

1805
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 1: Which is poorer where I was born or where you

1806
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: were born? I don't know the answer to that.

1807
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 2: It's a comparable there scenario. Let's go topic number four,

1808
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 2: which is the rest of UFC threeh eight, the pay

1809
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:28,719
Speaker 2: per view card. Remember that three No two pm Eastern

1810
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,600
Speaker 2: start time for the main card ten am Eastern, so

1811
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 2: we get breakfast with Wimbledon here with UFC. I like that,

1812
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:37,839
Speaker 2: Luke up and down this card. There are some interesting stories,

1813
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 2: but the man kicking off the pay per view is

1814
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 2: getting a lot of attention with his cinnamon hair and

1815
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 2: desert pirate. Look, I'm talking about Shara Bullet Magametov, who

1816
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 2: will be taking on Arman Petrosium there to kick off

1817
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 2: that pay per view, and the odds at the moment

1818
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 2: minus one seventy five for Shara Bullet plus one four

1819
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 2: five for Arman Petrosium Luke, Is this the fight where

1820
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 2: Charl Bullet kicks the door down and adds to his

1821
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:07,680
Speaker 2: game and shows us that he really is, you know,

1822
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 2: worthy of the spotlight or do you see a potential

1823
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:12,600
Speaker 2: trap against the veteran petrosium?

1824
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 1: You know what, dude, I'm not a super big believer

1825
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: in Charl Bullet. Now let me let me clarify what

1826
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 1: that means. This is not me declaring he's some fraud.

1827
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:24,680
Speaker 1: I don't think that he's obviously good, right, There's no

1828
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:27,719
Speaker 1: question he's got some ability, and some of the reason

1829
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 1: why he's got the hype is entirely justified. He has

1830
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 1: an exciting style, He's got a wide array of different

1831
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 1: strikes from which to choose from. He's got a dynamic

1832
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:40,719
Speaker 1: kicking game. Charl Bullet is a good fighter worth taking seriously.

1833
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 1: I want to make sure everyone understands what I am

1834
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 1: saying and what I am not saying. However, you see,

1835
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:48,600
Speaker 1: I do not understand the hype. That's the part, or

1836
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:50,640
Speaker 1: at least at a bare minimum. I think there's a

1837
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 1: gap between what he's shown and what the hype is

1838
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 1: around him. I don't quite get that. I think that

1839
01:25:56,840 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 1: his takedown defense is poor, his grappling is not great

1840
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 1: at all, and the guys he's gone up against are

1841
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 1: a lot of fighters who have some ability but tend

1842
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 1: to be very error prone, and even then he's kind

1843
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 1: of struggled with him. Now, Armen Petrosian is not really

1844
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 1: a guy I think if to have a like significant

1845
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:16,639
Speaker 1: like takedown concerns against, So you know there is that,

1846
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:19,680
Speaker 1: but this idea that like, oh he's ready to go

1847
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 1: through the division and march through and get a title shot,

1848
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 1: I can't in any way preclude that, But I don't

1849
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 1: know what folks are looking at that gives them such

1850
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 1: great confidence that that is inevitable. I think that's the

1851
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 1: part where there's a bit of a disconnect for me. Now,

1852
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 1: Petrosian's a guy BC who will probably strike at a

1853
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 1: similar range, who doesn't mind taking damage to give damage,

1854
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 1: and I think is probably a little less sharp than

1855
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 1: Charl Bullet. So this is definitely a fight that Charl

1856
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 1: Bullet should win. This is a bit more of a

1857
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 1: favorable matchup in that regard. But I just want to

1858
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 1: caution folks like again. I'll say it again, Soporia didn't

1859
01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 1: enter the UFC with this kind of hype and look

1860
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 1: at him now, dude, Volkanovsky. You know, after Volkanovski beat

1861
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 1: Chad Mendez, did anyone be like that guy's going to

1862
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:05,639
Speaker 1: be number one pound per pound in the sport. Nope.

1863
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 1: He didn't come in here with a lot of hype.

1864
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:08,800
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of times and by the way,

1865
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 1: he works the other way too. Connor McGregor came in

1866
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 1: here as a two way world champion from Cage Warriors,

1867
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 1: had a ton of hype and then delivered on It's

1868
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:17,599
Speaker 1: like it can go the other way. My only point

1869
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 1: is a lot of times I'll see fighters have hype

1870
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:24,559
Speaker 1: the instant they get to the UFC, and very rarely

1871
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 1: to me does the hype match with the tape shows.

1872
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 1: So Bullet is good. He probably should win this one.

1873
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 1: I just need to see a little bit more from

1874
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 1: him before I'm ready to declare him the future of

1875
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:36,639
Speaker 1: this division.

1876
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't disagree with that, but char Bullet already

1877
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 2: thirty years old. Of course, out of Dagistan, maybe the

1878
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 2: only fighter from there who doesn't Rustle as sort of

1879
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:44,559
Speaker 2: the base.

1880
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 1: Uspin Nma Madoff.

1881
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 2: There you go, fair point there, but he could also

1882
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 2: can handle himself there. Luke Bruno Silva, Antonio Trikoli and

1883
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:56,719
Speaker 2: mihal Ola Shashak were the three victories he won since

1884
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 2: making his debut in October. So I don't think this

1885
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 2: is necess necessarily a step up from that level, but

1886
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 2: I think it will be a fight that furthers the

1887
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:07,639
Speaker 2: conversation at least, because look, he does look the part

1888
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:11,559
Speaker 2: of this like badass, but he almost looks too like

1889
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 2: commercially created. He looks like a movie villain. He doesn't

1890
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 2: look like an actual dude. Does that make sense?

1891
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:20,599
Speaker 1: Who char bullet?

1892
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 2: So he almost looks like like he looks the part

1893
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 2: too well of this, like absolute weird looking badass guy.

1894
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:30,120
Speaker 1: Can I be honest, like I've never in like so

1895
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 1: for example, like this year, maybe it was last year,

1896
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 1: I can't remember, but Tuke was like, I want to

1897
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 1: go as a pirate for Halloween. I'm like, yeah, no,

1898
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 1: you don't, like pirates are fucking are they? I don't

1899
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 1: feel like the layl Luke Lon Luke Are pirates cool?

1900
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:48,840
Speaker 4: No comment on that?

1901
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:55,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly. That's a that's a whack fucking bit like.

1902
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 2: Look, unless Nina Drama is interviewing you and Charwer bullet

1903
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 2: that level this week, let's watch the Hyjenks.

1904
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 10: All right, all right, very terrified Wait translator translator, all right, okay,

1905
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Speaker 10: all right, so.

1906
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Speaker 12: So what do you call this? Is this just a.

1907
01:29:35,479 --> 01:29:37,639
Speaker 2: Look that was a salt brother for a while there?

1908
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 2: What was going on there?

1909
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 1: I mean that there was very big you know, I've

1910
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 1: got a crush on the girl energy going through that

1911
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 1: room right there. But the whole point is, like, dude,

1912
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 1: like what value does Nina Drama serve? She kind of

1913
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 1: humanizes these guys, right because we're all hearably and like, hey,

1914
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:55,599
Speaker 1: this guy took money from Goder often and this guy

1915
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:57,880
Speaker 1: thinks Hitler was cool, and you're like, send it to

1916
01:29:57,920 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 1: Nina Drama. And then they become a little bit more

1917
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:01,640
Speaker 1: huge in a little bit more relatable, a little bit

1918
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 1: more fun loving. And then Shara goes in there and

1919
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 1: like doesn't understand the assignment at all and kind of

1920
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:10,000
Speaker 1: fucks it up a little bit. But you know what,

1921
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 1: he was there to crush, no question, Luke.

1922
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:15,759
Speaker 2: But when you made that Hitler reference, you're telling about Tomball,

1923
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:18,400
Speaker 2: Gordon Ryan Luke, what the hell's going on in combat sports, right?

1924
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:21,599
Speaker 1: I just don't understand what people are doing these days.

1925
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:23,240
Speaker 1: Have you reached the point where it's like, guys, you

1926
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:25,559
Speaker 1: know Hitler was bad, right, like all bad? You know?

1927
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Speaker 2: Well, you know maybe those millennials, Luke, they're not up

1928
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 2: on their history. What else do you want to look

1929
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 2: at here? You know, I'm fired up that Chris Barnett

1930
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 2: is finally back after two years, when he moves up again,

1931
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:37,680
Speaker 2: or when he fights Hey Kennedy and zek Rule who

1932
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 2: is moving up from light heavyweight. I don't know if

1933
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 2: that moves you, Luke, but that guy is awesome. TV.

1934
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 2: What are you focused on on the rest of this card?

1935
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 12: Man?

1936
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 1: There's a lot of good fights on this card, obviously,

1937
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:50,120
Speaker 1: I think going under the radar. Two fights in a

1938
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 1: massive way are going under the radar, dude, Laren Murphy,

1939
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 1: Dan Egay, Laron Murphy. Remember had that very quiet but

1940
01:30:57,240 --> 01:31:02,559
Speaker 1: very dominant win over Barboza and looked very very good

1941
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 1: doing it. Here we have here, we have a situation

1942
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:07,679
Speaker 1: where he's gonna against a very tried and true fighter

1943
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 1: Danny Gay. Finally, by the way, you know, getting a

1944
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 1: full camp obviously, filling in on like you know seventy

1945
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 1: six and seconds notice to take on uh Diego Lopez

1946
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 1: a couple of ufcs ago, but this is a very

1947
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: tough fight for both guys. This is a huge opportunity

1948
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 1: for Laren Murphy. I love this contest. And then lastly, BC,

1949
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna mispronounce both their names. Matteyoush Rebeccy, I'm sure

1950
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:33,000
Speaker 1: I know he's Polish, I'm saying the name is super wrong.

1951
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 1: And then Rebecke, I'm sure that's a better way to

1952
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 1: put it. And then a Mike tebec oral by uh.

1953
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:45,040
Speaker 1: That's a sick, sick fight between two guys who have

1954
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:48,519
Speaker 1: pretty different skill sets but a lot of ability. A

1955
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:51,520
Speaker 1: lot of questions about both of them, especially after Rebecchiki's

1956
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 1: last fight where he kind of got overwhelmed them both

1957
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:56,000
Speaker 1: his eyes walled up real bad. But this is a

1958
01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 1: fun one to pay attention to. Great, great fight all

1959
01:31:58,960 --> 01:31:59,679
Speaker 1: the way up and down.

1960
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:02,240
Speaker 2: And also we're gonna get a lot of action probably

1961
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:04,639
Speaker 2: in that Jeff Neil our Da matchup. I just hope

1962
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:06,800
Speaker 2: our Da, who's lost three or four, is not going

1963
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 2: to get set to the woodshed here, Luke, because I

1964
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:09,479
Speaker 2: love that man.

1965
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:11,720
Speaker 1: RDA's got a lot of ways to win this one.

1966
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 1: Big questions for Jeff Neil at the stage of his

1967
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:15,639
Speaker 1: career as well, tough he lost two in a row.

1968
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:18,719
Speaker 2: He says he's on a two fight skid. So there

1969
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:21,160
Speaker 2: we go with that for UFC three zero eight this

1970
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 2: Saturday should be a fun ride. Our final topic of

1971
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:30,559
Speaker 2: the day our boy PFL Don Davis. He can't stop

1972
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:33,080
Speaker 2: saying stuff, Luke, and it has triggered a Dana White

1973
01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 2: response after power Slap yesterday. That was hilarious. But let's

1974
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:39,280
Speaker 2: set the context. We're less than a week removed from,

1975
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 2: of course, the biggest pay per view in PFL history,

1976
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:45,559
Speaker 2: their super Fight Battle of the Giants card, which turned

1977
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 2: out to be a success in a lot of ways.

1978
01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 2: Francis and Gon who gets the knockout? Chris Cyborg takes

1979
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 2: out but checko. We had a lot of positives coming

1980
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 2: out of there. So what did our boy Mike Heck

1981
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:57,680
Speaker 2: over at MMA Fighting Great website? What did he do

1982
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 2: set up a town hall with all with old Don

1983
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:04,519
Speaker 2: Davis to get a reaction and Luke, he's responded with

1984
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:08,080
Speaker 2: a couple of things that deserve our reaction. Let's set

1985
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 2: the stage for the first one. This is Mike Heck

1986
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 2: asking Don Davis, what's your favorite MMA fight of all time?

1987
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:17,439
Speaker 2: Favorite all time MMA fight? So, don you have a

1988
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:19,720
Speaker 2: night out, you go home and you're just like, man,

1989
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 2: I want to watch a fight. What's the first fight

1990
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:22,799
Speaker 2: you're going to find.

1991
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:30,880
Speaker 13: So people who are doctors don't watch medical shows. People

1992
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 13: lawyers don't watch legal shows on TV. I'm aware of

1993
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 13: everything that's going on because it's important for business, but

1994
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:43,520
Speaker 13: I don't want to watch other people's MMA shows for enjoyment.

1995
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:45,839
Speaker 13: You know what I'm saying. I get a lot of MMA,

1996
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:48,360
Speaker 13: you know, So I don't sit there and say let's

1997
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:51,760
Speaker 13: kick up and watch me a good KSW you is

1998
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:55,400
Speaker 13: not would never cross my head right. So to me,

1999
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 13: I'm aware of everything that's going on from a business standpoint,

2000
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:01,720
Speaker 13: but I would never sit there and say that's my

2001
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:06,720
Speaker 13: relaxation a way from work. This would be I'm unworking.

2002
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 13: I'm taking in what's working for them. I'm understanding what's

2003
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:12,840
Speaker 13: going on. But if I'm away from work, I'm away

2004
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 13: from work. Ps F.

2005
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 2: Good lord. I mean, hey, don just say Griffin Bonner

2006
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:26,000
Speaker 2: one say Fador and Pride say anything.

2007
01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 1: Say in Ghanu versus Veheda. You know what I mean, like.

2008
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:34,719
Speaker 2: Say anything other than what was the Vince McMahon problem

2009
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:37,760
Speaker 2: creatively at WW before he shat and everyone's hair Luke,

2010
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 2: which was he didn't watch the competitors. He was just

2011
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 2: in his own bubble. That's exactly what the hell is

2012
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:44,880
Speaker 2: wrong with PFL right now.

2013
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:50,120
Speaker 1: Dude. Here's the thing. Most people in my orbit and

2014
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 1: in my life, like my friends don't watch MMA, and

2015
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 1: I actually kind of prefer it because it does give

2016
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 1: me a sense of like being able to like break

2017
01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:59,880
Speaker 1: away and engage with a different part of my life

2018
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 1: and listen. Sometimes on vacation, I'll definitely go a week,

2019
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:05,479
Speaker 1: you know, not watching fights, sometimes even two. You know,

2020
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:08,800
Speaker 1: that's usually pushing it. But you know, we all want

2021
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 1: to break from our traditional routines. But if you're a

2022
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:15,360
Speaker 1: fight junkie, you just watch fights like it's just what

2023
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:19,200
Speaker 1: you do. You can't even think about what you anything else.

2024
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 1: A big portion of the time, like your life is

2025
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:24,360
Speaker 1: kind of centered around that. And you can say whatever

2026
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:26,679
Speaker 1: you want about Dana White and maybe in his current

2027
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:28,879
Speaker 1: iteration this is less true, but for the vast majority

2028
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:31,640
Speaker 1: of his life he's been a fight junkie. Look at

2029
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:34,240
Speaker 1: Bob aarm this fucking guy is in his eighties. He's

2030
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:35,160
Speaker 1: a fight junkie.

2031
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:38,360
Speaker 2: He's ninety two, and he flies all over the globe all.

2032
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:41,280
Speaker 1: To watch fights. Eddie Hearn fight junkie. I can go

2033
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 1: on down the list. They're all fight junkies and they

2034
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:47,120
Speaker 1: watch fights from other organizations. So I don't have any

2035
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:49,720
Speaker 1: judgment about the idea that at times you want to

2036
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 1: get away or that you know, in general, I don't

2037
01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:56,560
Speaker 1: judge anybody who doesn't like combat sports. It's not for everybody, fine,

2038
01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:59,720
Speaker 1: But if you're a promoter of combat sports, if this

2039
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:02,639
Speaker 1: is what you do for a living, and you don't

2040
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:07,040
Speaker 1: watch UFC or any other promotion for that matter, like

2041
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:09,200
Speaker 1: this is how you arrive at a position where you

2042
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:11,120
Speaker 1: can say with a straight face, hey, we've got as

2043
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:14,000
Speaker 1: many ranked fighters as UFC. Because you don't have a

2044
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:16,600
Speaker 1: fucking clue what you're looking at. It's not this is

2045
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:19,720
Speaker 1: you are. You are missing key portions of information. And

2046
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:21,200
Speaker 1: more to the point, you see we talked about it

2047
01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:23,760
Speaker 1: last week, how they don't have they don't have it's

2048
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:25,840
Speaker 1: a finite PFL is not really a fight promotion. It's

2049
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:29,160
Speaker 1: a content play slash financial asset. And this is why

2050
01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 1: we also said this last week. They don't have a

2051
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:34,639
Speaker 1: soul or an identity. It's this is a mechanical job

2052
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:36,960
Speaker 1: to this guy, which again that's not the end of

2053
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 1: the world. But how can you possibly hope to ever

2054
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:44,840
Speaker 1: actually compete or build a fan base or even more so,

2055
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:48,799
Speaker 1: a product with any kind of identity if you only

2056
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:51,240
Speaker 1: ever watch what your organization does, which, by the way,

2057
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:56,320
Speaker 1: is I'm sorry to say, largely irrelevant. MMA. It's it's

2058
01:36:56,439 --> 01:36:58,600
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't even know how to describe that.

2059
01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:00,360
Speaker 1: People have told me in the past. You know, the

2060
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:03,200
Speaker 1: guys who run that they're smart, but they're not fight guys. Yeah,

2061
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:06,360
Speaker 1: they're not fight guys exactly. Day, don put the fight

2062
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 1: guys in charge.

2063
01:37:07,240 --> 01:37:10,240
Speaker 2: Let's go there are people under that that that banner

2064
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:12,080
Speaker 2: that do know what they're doing in the fight game.

2065
01:37:12,120 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 2: They did acquire Cogan. Now question the beltour matchmaker. I

2066
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:18,479
Speaker 2: don't I hope, you know, I want to say, I

2067
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:21,080
Speaker 2: hope he's matchmaking for PFL proper, But they don't really

2068
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 2: have matchmaking. They have tournaments in the way it's set up,

2069
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 2: and there's a lot we could get into on how

2070
01:37:25,400 --> 01:37:27,759
Speaker 2: they could fix it. But like, don, if you're gonna

2071
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:29,880
Speaker 2: go on the microphone and do these type of moments

2072
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:34,800
Speaker 2: aimed at building pr and positivity for PFL. You gotta

2073
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 2: stop with this US versus UFC, because you're not on

2074
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:39,879
Speaker 2: the same level. You're not you know, you're not producing

2075
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 2: the same level of things. And he would go on

2076
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:44,320
Speaker 2: in this sound bite to tell Mike Heck like, look,

2077
01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:46,920
Speaker 2: I'm a sixty two year old entrepreneur. I haven't taken

2078
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:49,120
Speaker 2: a day off in seven years or work around the clock.

2079
01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:51,679
Speaker 2: I love it. Well, then you should be watching what's

2080
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:54,760
Speaker 2: going on in MMA around the world regularly to see

2081
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:57,360
Speaker 2: how you can enhance your product and really to see

2082
01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 2: the areas they tried so hard to be different that

2083
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 2: in some ways they're too different.

2084
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:02,240
Speaker 1: Right.

2085
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 2: We didn't say, hey, I think PFL can compete with UFC.

2086
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 2: Don said that. So Don, if you're gonna do that, dude,

2087
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 2: you gotta be more. You gotta be more into it. Okay,

2088
01:38:13,439 --> 01:38:15,759
Speaker 2: the finances are great, but like you know, they've created

2089
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:18,120
Speaker 2: a TV show here. Look, they don't have a live event,

2090
01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:22,320
Speaker 2: and they don't have something that's different enough that it's

2091
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:25,599
Speaker 2: causing a wedge in the market. They may have moments

2092
01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:28,160
Speaker 2: like this Francis win where they pop up high into

2093
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:31,400
Speaker 2: the news stack, and that's when they had to double

2094
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:33,880
Speaker 2: and triple down and say, hey, if you like that one,

2095
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:36,240
Speaker 2: in my opinion, we got another pay per view coming

2096
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:37,920
Speaker 2: around in a month and a half and it's gonna

2097
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:39,479
Speaker 2: be even better. And that guy you liked on it,

2098
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 2: we're gonna try to get him back for it. I

2099
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:44,400
Speaker 2: think that's how they're gonna build momentum and conversation. Not

2100
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:47,560
Speaker 2: look at our unique tournament filled with washed names you

2101
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:49,880
Speaker 2: never met before, and oh yeah we got those really

2102
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:52,280
Speaker 2: critically claimed beltar guys, but they're gonna fight out there

2103
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:54,040
Speaker 2: where no one can watch them on the Max app

2104
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:57,599
Speaker 2: in Ireland. Like there's a lot of issues and that answer,

2105
01:38:57,720 --> 01:39:00,439
Speaker 2: really I think it spells out a lot. Let's now

2106
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:04,240
Speaker 2: hear Mike Heck talking to him Don Davis about what

2107
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 2: areas did the pfl P at preview last week Excel

2108
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:09,800
Speaker 2: where Don is really starting to feel like it beat

2109
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:13,640
Speaker 2: every single UFC pay per view and every metric this

2110
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:14,599
Speaker 2: calendar year.

2111
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:21,559
Speaker 13: This event, by our research, bet every viewership number of

2112
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:25,000
Speaker 13: every UFC event this year and was very very close

2113
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:30,840
Speaker 13: to ring a fire, which you know it's ring a fire.

2114
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:34,040
Speaker 13: I mean it's the biggest boxing event in five years,

2115
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:38,280
Speaker 13: so very which was really our benchmark, right because Ring

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Speaker 13: of Fire is a Saudi event. Ring of Fire is

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Speaker 13: our same time, and Ring of Fire was the biggest

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Speaker 13: combat sport event call it this year, and we were

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Speaker 13: within We were forty percent bigger than some, twenty percent

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Speaker 13: smaller than some, but overall the same global viewership metrics

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Speaker 13: or Ring of Fire. So that was really something that

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Speaker 13: was our stretch goal, and that's what we achieved. Put

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Speaker 13: out those metrics about an hour ago for everybody who's

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Speaker 13: interested in the weeds of all the details, because as

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Speaker 13: you know, right now, economics flow a very different way.

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Speaker 13: You know, in the sports world it used to just

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Speaker 13: be PPV buys, but now money has made many different

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Speaker 13: ways sponsorship, social media, host fees. You know, there's an

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Speaker 13: economic bundle that's very very different now and so there's

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Speaker 13: many metrics that matter, but most of all for us

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Speaker 13: to kind of answer this to kind of where we started.

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Speaker 13: You know when you said what's the most important thing,

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Speaker 13: most important thing is people are aware of PFL, and

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Speaker 13: you will see in those metrics that we put out

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Speaker 13: that we accomplished that goal because that global viewership number,

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Speaker 13: the global reach number, the global engagement number, the global

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Speaker 13: post number, the global media number. Everything we put out

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Speaker 13: accomplish that goal of awareness, discussion, and favorability. And that

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Speaker 13: was everything here.

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Speaker 2: Look, it beat every UFC pay per view this year

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Speaker 2: except in the most valuable metrics that matter, like ticket

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Speaker 2: sales and pay per view buys. So I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: like he's living on Saudi money right now, but he's

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Speaker 2: acting like he created that, right.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that was. I do understand the

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Speaker 1: notion that there are a few different metrics beyond the

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Speaker 1: big ones that also count. And I will say for

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Speaker 1: any PFL show I've ever like tried to watch or

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Speaker 1: invest in, just in terms of like whatever metrics I

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Speaker 1: got watching it live in the audience that watched my stuff,

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Speaker 1: it was on par with what I would call a

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01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:50,519
Speaker 1: smaller UFC pay per view. But that's still pretty good.

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01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:52,920
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not nothing. So like that's the weird

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Speaker 1: part to like to me, it's like, you know, they

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01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:57,720
Speaker 1: say this outrageous shit, like, hey, we've got guys, We've

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01:41:57,720 --> 01:41:59,760
Speaker 1: got as many ranked guys as the UFC. Yeah yeah,

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01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:02,479
Speaker 1: but yours are all like thirty to twenty. Theirs are

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01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:05,840
Speaker 1: all ten to one. It's not Yeah, they're all ranked guys,

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Speaker 1: but it's not the same thing. And so here again

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01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:12,519
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, we beat all you know UFC events

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Speaker 1: this year on these kind of metrics, and like, dude,

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01:42:14,640 --> 01:42:17,559
Speaker 1: that's not nothing the ones he's describing. And there probably

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01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:20,680
Speaker 1: is some evidence that it was watched fairly well, but

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01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:23,559
Speaker 1: you know, like you can't count pay per views and

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Speaker 1: ticket sales in part because dude, no one was at

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Speaker 1: that fight. I mean the stands were empty. Uh and

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01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:32,280
Speaker 1: that's partly you know, a Saudi Arabia thing, but like

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Speaker 1: they weren't that empty for a better beef bival, you

2169
01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:35,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like they were it was much

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Speaker 1: more widely attended for that one. It's like you can

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Speaker 1: do better there. And this is my point, like they

2172
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:45,080
Speaker 1: keep emphasizing things that are relevant and saying that's as good. No,

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01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:48,320
Speaker 1: it's relevant and valuable, but it's not as good. It's

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Speaker 1: not as big, it's not as decorated, it's not as important.

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Speaker 1: It's a different thing that you're still trying to build

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Speaker 1: up to. So just celebrate that. But they can't. They

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Speaker 1: have to kind of go out and be like, well,

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01:42:58,520 --> 01:43:01,920
Speaker 1: this is even better than UFC. It's like, dude, nobody

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Speaker 1: believes you, Like nobody believes I mean not when you

2180
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:09,400
Speaker 1: make those type of boats two MMA fans, Right, this

2181
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Speaker 1: isn't him on like we said last week, like a financial.

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Speaker 2: Show or a media you know, this is on MMA

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Speaker 2: media show on MME fighting with Mike Keck. So you're

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Speaker 2: speaking to hardcore MMA fans and you're not gonna win

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01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:25,400
Speaker 2: over their trust, love or believe where like like like Luke,

2186
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:27,679
Speaker 2: a lot of people have made comparisons to what PFL

2187
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:30,519
Speaker 2: isn't by bringing up the last true competitor, and that

2188
01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:33,320
Speaker 2: was Strikeforce, and they're all dead on. But like we

2189
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:36,000
Speaker 2: want a lot of us meet, Like I wanted Strikeforce

2190
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Speaker 2: to succeed, just like I wanted WCW to succeed against

2191
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Speaker 2: WWF at the time because I wanted competition, and I

2192
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:46,880
Speaker 2: really liked the Strikeforce Strikeforce product, the look, the roster,

2193
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Speaker 2: the way they match made everything. You know, it was

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Speaker 2: what we were looking for. I think the fans want

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01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:55,200
Speaker 2: to get behind PFL, but PFL does it not have

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Speaker 2: put themselves in a position to truly embrace that hardcore

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Speaker 2: fan right by making these type of boats. It's like,

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Speaker 2: come on, like know your audience. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: They don't have an audience.

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01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 2: Well, no, you're know the MMA audience, know, the hardcore

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Speaker 2: is that that I think if you change some things

2202
01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:19,080
Speaker 2: like look, I wish they promoted in almost a pro

2203
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:22,639
Speaker 2: wrestling style, kind of like Pride was in Japan. It's

2204
01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:25,519
Speaker 2: the tournament, get us on cliffhangers, build toward things like,

2205
01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:28,880
Speaker 2: get us get us invested in the journey, not the

2206
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:31,479
Speaker 2: one big fight night they got somewhere.

2207
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:33,599
Speaker 1: You have to be dude, like the guys who built

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01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:35,720
Speaker 1: Pride were I mean, there were pro wrestling guys to

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Speaker 1: an extent, but they were fight fans too, and they

2210
01:44:38,280 --> 01:44:39,840
Speaker 1: were you know what I mean. Like and obviously in

2211
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:42,120
Speaker 1: Japan those two worlds for folks who mean, I realize

2212
01:44:42,120 --> 01:44:44,680
Speaker 1: they're a little bit more interconnected there than they are here.

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01:44:44,720 --> 01:44:47,520
Speaker 1: But they're still pretty connected here too, But they're especially

2214
01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:50,120
Speaker 1: connected over there. You have people who know how to

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01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:53,160
Speaker 1: do that. Here these guys are Excel spreadsheet guys. They're

2216
01:44:53,200 --> 01:44:56,760
Speaker 1: not They're not narrative builders, and you know here we

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01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:57,880
Speaker 1: are look.

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Speaker 2: Loosely related to this was Dana White's reaction. I we

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01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:01,760
Speaker 2: don't have the video to throw to, but from the

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01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:06,080
Speaker 2: Powerslap press conference yesterday, and the big takeaway out of

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01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:08,400
Speaker 2: there was when he was asked by the media, you know,

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01:45:08,439 --> 01:45:11,200
Speaker 2: his thoughts on Francis's performance and everything related to that,

2223
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:13,719
Speaker 2: and it seemed like Dana just went back into doubling

2224
01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:16,720
Speaker 2: and tripling down on like I set the rules, I

2225
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 2: rewrite history mode in one breath, saying that you know,

2226
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:22,760
Speaker 2: there's no the fans, you know, when he was asked

2227
01:45:22,760 --> 01:45:25,360
Speaker 2: if the fans really want and gone to Jones, how

2228
01:45:25,439 --> 01:45:27,080
Speaker 2: you know what is there any chance it can happen?

2229
01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:28,640
Speaker 2: And he was like, no, the fans don't want that.

2230
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:31,439
Speaker 2: They want and Ganu or they want Jones aspinall. But

2231
01:45:31,720 --> 01:45:35,479
Speaker 2: the real stickler with the people watching was when he's

2232
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:37,960
Speaker 2: trying to say that Francis is all about the money

2233
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:40,720
Speaker 2: and then at the same time making the argument that

2234
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:43,080
Speaker 2: he could have made more money by staying with UFC,

2235
01:45:43,120 --> 01:45:46,000
Speaker 2: which I don't think anyone really believes. And Francis has

2236
01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:48,960
Speaker 2: threatened to actually show the receipts of late Luke. What

2237
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:51,200
Speaker 2: do you make of that? Where Dana White just comes

2238
01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:54,360
Speaker 2: out and just shits on parts of the truth and

2239
01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:56,160
Speaker 2: pulls a Dana to be fair.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't understand how can you make the argument

2241
01:45:58,120 --> 01:46:01,559
Speaker 1: that he could have made more at U but he

2242
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:03,639
Speaker 1: left because he wanted to make more money.

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01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:06,240
Speaker 2: For what he says there is is he's back to

2244
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:09,759
Speaker 2: Enganu is afraid of Jones and that's why it happened.

2245
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:14,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, don't you know, Dana says things. I mean,

2246
01:46:14,120 --> 01:46:16,759
Speaker 1: are we you have to live in a world where

2247
01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:20,240
Speaker 1: we understand the gig promoters have to just kind of

2248
01:46:20,280 --> 01:46:22,880
Speaker 1: say stuff, but you're not under any obligation to just

2249
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:28,320
Speaker 1: accept it, and nor should you. This is silly, it's silly.

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Speaker 1: It it barely even deserves comments. They they want to

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01:46:32,280 --> 01:46:37,000
Speaker 1: keep control of everyone. Francis didn't want any bigger control

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01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:39,840
Speaker 1: about him. He had an opportunity to go to a

2253
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:42,840
Speaker 1: lesser emment organization but potentially make more money with an

2254
01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:46,000
Speaker 1: open contract to go into boxing, and that's what he did.

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Speaker 1: And Dana is salty about that because in the end,

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01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:52,920
Speaker 1: even though Francis was viciously kaoed by Anthony Joshua, in

2257
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:56,080
Speaker 1: general this was a very very good move for him

2258
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:58,960
Speaker 1: and it showed that, you know, again, Francis is a

2259
01:46:58,960 --> 01:47:02,040
Speaker 1: special case, but that are in special cases, guys can

2260
01:47:02,040 --> 01:47:04,599
Speaker 1: live outside the UFC and do even better. Dana wants

2261
01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:07,160
Speaker 1: the world to be like this is where only the

2262
01:47:07,200 --> 01:47:10,439
Speaker 1: best fight the best, Yes, but also like this is

2263
01:47:10,439 --> 01:47:12,000
Speaker 1: where the best outcomes are. You want to make the

2264
01:47:12,040 --> 01:47:13,519
Speaker 1: most money, you've got to stay here. But we know

2265
01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:15,280
Speaker 1: that's not even true. It's not even true for Conor

2266
01:47:15,320 --> 01:47:17,639
Speaker 1: McGregor and Floyd Mayweather obviously, right, So like we already

2267
01:47:17,680 --> 01:47:20,000
Speaker 1: know it's not true, but they want you to believe that,

2268
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:23,160
Speaker 1: And so he just says crazy shit and then expects

2269
01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:25,080
Speaker 1: you to accept it. You don't have to accept it.

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01:47:25,479 --> 01:47:27,800
Speaker 2: And Gono's the only one that has given him an

2271
01:47:27,880 --> 01:47:30,439
Speaker 2: l that has sort of played the game against him

2272
01:47:30,720 --> 01:47:33,360
Speaker 2: how to go to extraordinary lengths, win that fight against God,

2273
01:47:33,479 --> 01:47:37,160
Speaker 2: you know, fight out his deal. But Dana can't ever

2274
01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:40,160
Speaker 2: do what we desperately seem to want him to do,

2275
01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:42,200
Speaker 2: which is just say, hey, good for Francis, Well you

2276
01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:44,959
Speaker 2: know I saw the fight, well done, good job, because

2277
01:47:45,439 --> 01:47:47,880
Speaker 2: he can't. No one else can win like that again,

2278
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:49,320
Speaker 2: and it will be hard for anybody to win like

2279
01:47:49,320 --> 01:47:52,040
Speaker 2: that again because the changes to the contracts. But like

2280
01:47:52,120 --> 01:47:54,439
Speaker 2: Dana must make sure that the narrative stays the way

2281
01:47:54,439 --> 01:47:57,599
Speaker 2: it is so no fighter can realize that that is possible.

2282
01:47:57,640 --> 01:47:59,920
Speaker 2: You got to be special and under the right circumstances.

2283
01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:02,920
Speaker 2: But credit to Francis. I mean, look, if he's gonna

2284
01:48:02,920 --> 01:48:06,120
Speaker 2: call in the boxing ring with no experience against Fury

2285
01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:08,759
Speaker 2: and Joshua, he's not afraid of John Jones.

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01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:12,400
Speaker 1: No, it's the dumbest fucking argument of all time.

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01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:16,360
Speaker 2: It's just add on and say, I wanted to cut

2288
01:48:16,479 --> 01:48:18,640
Speaker 2: Francis after he lost two in a row, meaning that

2289
01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:21,400
Speaker 2: weird Derek Lewis fight, after getting after getting beaten by

2290
01:48:21,439 --> 01:48:23,720
Speaker 2: Stepe for the title, and that just makes him look

2291
01:48:23,760 --> 01:48:26,800
Speaker 2: even more out on that incredible run that followed it.

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01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:29,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I sort of understand that in one sense,

2293
01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:31,000
Speaker 1: which is that, like, dude, you go back and you

2294
01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:33,000
Speaker 1: watch that fight. It wasn't just a bad fight. It

2295
01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:36,840
Speaker 1: was lifeless to the point of incomprehensibility, and so it

2296
01:48:36,920 --> 01:48:41,280
Speaker 1: was so bad I understand why he would be particularly enraged.

2297
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:43,960
Speaker 1: But you know, he eventually was talked out of it

2298
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:45,920
Speaker 1: by one of his lieutenants. I don't know who that was.

2299
01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:47,880
Speaker 1: Whoever that was did him a favorite, because obviously he

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01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:51,000
Speaker 1: went on to do pretty incredible things thereafter. It's like, dude,

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01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:53,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna cut You're gonna leave sam Alvi on like

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01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:55,880
Speaker 1: a historic losing streak, and then cut Francis after and

2303
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:59,600
Speaker 1: admittedly very bad performance, but really just one bad performance.

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01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:01,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I know he lost the step a fight,

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01:49:01,120 --> 01:49:02,960
Speaker 1: but he was just overwhelmed. It was a better guy.

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01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:06,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna cut him after one bad performance that doesn't

2307
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:09,960
Speaker 1: show sound judgment? Like why why is that a flex?

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01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:11,639
Speaker 1: I don't you know what I mean? I don't understand why.

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01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:14,320
Speaker 2: You because sam Elvi thinks the UFC fighters in the

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01:49:14,360 --> 01:49:18,360
Speaker 2: anti dress lawsuit we're overpaid originally Luke. So uh you

2311
01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:21,240
Speaker 2: know right there you go with that? Those a year

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01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:24,280
Speaker 2: five topics for this Friday. Hey, let's make a return

2313
01:49:24,680 --> 01:49:27,120
Speaker 2: to some things we used to do and will continue

2314
01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:30,120
Speaker 2: to do provided you guys do your end of the bargain.

2315
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:33,280
Speaker 2: You know that morning Combat at gmail dot com is

2316
01:49:33,320 --> 01:49:36,800
Speaker 2: where you can reach the show, complain, suggest all that.

2317
01:49:37,120 --> 01:49:40,519
Speaker 2: It's also your opportunity for the next two segments, dead

2318
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:44,000
Speaker 2: wrong and and what do we call that? Fan sub

2319
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:46,040
Speaker 2: So let's start with the first one. We're gonna give

2320
01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:48,599
Speaker 2: you that chance each Friday. If you listen to us

2321
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:50,840
Speaker 2: and you're pissed off at something we said wrong, to

2322
01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:52,639
Speaker 2: email the show. I don't think we have the intro

2323
01:49:52,720 --> 01:49:57,320
Speaker 2: ready today, but here is one dead wrong. So Luke,

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Speaker 2: let's see who they're throwing it at. This one is

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01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:02,120
Speaker 2: from Daz. You know Daz from Hawaii.

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01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:04,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dazz, back up on that as and give the

2327
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:06,280
Speaker 1: motherfucker as a blast.

2328
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:10,440
Speaker 2: On the past YaST. Daz probably my third favorite Hawaiian

2329
01:50:10,479 --> 01:50:13,760
Speaker 2: after Telvin, Ky Poppa and Governor Penn Luke. But here

2330
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:16,559
Speaker 2: we go, he says a Loha donks. On Monday's episode

2331
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:19,880
Speaker 2: October twenty first, at about fifty one minutes in, Luke

2332
01:50:19,960 --> 01:50:24,160
Speaker 2: is discussing Cyborg's claim to MMA Women's goat ship after

2333
01:50:24,240 --> 01:50:28,200
Speaker 2: beating Pacheco, and he states that Pachecko quote just came

2334
01:50:28,240 --> 01:50:31,040
Speaker 2: off the Kayla Harrison win. Luke, that win was in

2335
01:50:31,080 --> 01:50:34,360
Speaker 2: November of twenty two at one fifty five. Pachecko fought

2336
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:37,800
Speaker 2: four times in twenty twenty three to win that season's

2337
01:50:37,840 --> 01:50:40,320
Speaker 2: title in the one hundred and forty five pound tournament.

2338
01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:43,439
Speaker 2: It seems like PFL did such a horrible job marketing

2339
01:50:43,680 --> 01:50:46,479
Speaker 2: that twenty three season that even Luke Thomas forgot it

2340
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:49,120
Speaker 2: ever happened. Glad to see BC has started his own

2341
01:50:49,200 --> 01:50:52,200
Speaker 2: channel and that MK is back twice a week as

2342
01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:55,320
Speaker 2: my only contributions happened via Dead Wrong.

2343
01:50:55,400 --> 01:50:57,519
Speaker 1: Luke, will you take Yeah, I'll take the L. I

2344
01:50:57,600 --> 01:51:01,240
Speaker 1: knew the Roo flights afterwards more because I was actually

2345
01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:06,719
Speaker 1: I think I was at the fight where Pacheco Pacheco

2346
01:51:06,840 --> 01:51:09,120
Speaker 1: beat Harrison. I believe I was at that. Was that

2347
01:51:09,160 --> 01:51:10,240
Speaker 1: the one in d C.

2348
01:51:10,960 --> 01:51:12,760
Speaker 2: Correct me if I'm wrong I have been, I will.

2349
01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:15,280
Speaker 2: We'll have to wait till next week. If if Daz

2350
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:16,440
Speaker 2: corrects you again.

2351
01:51:16,680 --> 01:51:18,479
Speaker 1: I'll double check that. I'll take the L because they're

2352
01:51:18,479 --> 01:51:20,240
Speaker 1: definitely worse. Some fights I did forget about, but I

2353
01:51:20,240 --> 01:51:22,200
Speaker 1: didn't think it was her very last one. But nevertheless,

2354
01:51:22,200 --> 01:51:24,639
Speaker 1: the spirit of the correction is very correct.

2355
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:26,920
Speaker 2: All Right, there you go. That is dead wrong. Luke

2356
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:28,320
Speaker 2: will take the L.

2357
01:51:28,720 --> 01:51:30,479
Speaker 4: Sorry, Kayla. Larissa was in.

2358
01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:33,719
Speaker 1: Manhattan, so no, So what was the one that I saw?

2359
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:35,160
Speaker 1: Jesus was there? The one that I saw and I

2360
01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:40,599
Speaker 1: completely forgot hold on. The one that I saw was, Oh, yes,

2361
01:51:40,680 --> 01:51:45,679
Speaker 1: the Marina Moke not Quina fight, which was the one,

2362
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:49,519
Speaker 1: uh several after the Kyla fight. Yeah, gee, no, I

2363
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:51,599
Speaker 1: forgot a bunch of these. Yeah no, it's a good correction.

2364
01:51:51,720 --> 01:51:52,479
Speaker 1: It's a good correction.

2365
01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:56,960
Speaker 2: Our final segment of the day in average yard is

2366
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:58,840
Speaker 2: already saying next week he's going to be back in

2367
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:01,760
Speaker 2: a big way. But this is your opportunity to get

2368
01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:05,559
Speaker 2: your artwork shown, pictures of your family and our tight clothes. Yeah,

2369
01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:12,680
Speaker 2: we call this one. Fan submissions, You've got mail feuures

2370
01:52:14,280 --> 01:52:17,519
Speaker 2: Hey shouts to shout out to Jeffey Jpierre, who you

2371
01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:19,599
Speaker 2: can find. I heard every week on the main Card

2372
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:23,839
Speaker 2: Minute podcast. The first one comes at us from Nova

2373
01:52:23,880 --> 01:52:27,439
Speaker 2: Scotia's Finest from Mount you Unike with love. It's Ja Piquette.

2374
01:52:27,439 --> 01:52:30,960
Speaker 2: He says, good day, Luke BC and donk Nation down.

2375
01:52:31,200 --> 01:52:33,120
Speaker 2: The Boss Lady is back on the road with her

2376
01:52:33,160 --> 01:52:36,479
Speaker 2: first stop of the twenty twenty four MK Global Merch

2377
01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:40,200
Speaker 2: Tour Singapore for a week and then on to Australia

2378
01:52:40,520 --> 01:52:43,000
Speaker 2: for the rest of July. Luke, there is the Boss

2379
01:52:43,080 --> 01:52:47,920
Speaker 2: Lady herself, Don Piquette rocking MK do down there in

2380
01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:52,120
Speaker 2: Asia and Singapore. That's a hell of a beautiful location there.

2381
01:52:52,120 --> 01:52:54,719
Speaker 1: Would you say, did she meet up with Chatri Sity

2382
01:52:54,760 --> 01:52:55,520
Speaker 1: on Tong.

2383
01:52:56,000 --> 01:52:58,760
Speaker 2: Wow and talk grappling. That would be something right there.

2384
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:03,639
Speaker 2: So we'll see Don continued uh continued movement across the globe.

2385
01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:06,000
Speaker 2: You think Jay forces her to pack MK merch in

2386
01:53:06,040 --> 01:53:06,759
Speaker 2: that suitcase.

2387
01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:09,000
Speaker 1: There's no doubt in my mind those guys are he

2388
01:53:09,120 --> 01:53:11,400
Speaker 1: in particularly is a hard core shots to Big J.

2389
01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:14,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, all all well, shout out to Appy too if

2390
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:16,200
Speaker 2: he's still around, Luke, I love me some Appy, just

2391
01:53:16,240 --> 01:53:19,880
Speaker 2: you know, like from a distance right this year. That's

2392
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:21,800
Speaker 2: not one of my goals, Luke, to be fair, but

2393
01:53:22,160 --> 01:53:24,200
Speaker 2: I almost I had almost had a chance to see

2394
01:53:24,280 --> 01:53:27,880
Speaker 2: him in Paris. Hey, let's go over the dropped out beats. Hey,

2395
01:53:27,960 --> 01:53:31,519
Speaker 2: Luke and m K, please accept my Morning Combat intro

2396
01:53:31,640 --> 01:53:33,719
Speaker 2: that you can use at the link below for free.

2397
01:53:34,200 --> 01:53:36,600
Speaker 2: Just shout me out. So this guy's name is Ashkan

2398
01:53:37,200 --> 01:53:40,200
Speaker 2: and ashcon has created a new MK theme song and

2399
01:53:40,280 --> 01:53:46,160
Speaker 2: opening here. Let's see it. This is.

2400
01:53:48,320 --> 01:53:49,480
Speaker 12: That's the spirit.

2401
01:53:51,280 --> 01:54:09,200
Speaker 14: Thomas this Morning, Morning, Comma, this Morning.

2402
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:13,680
Speaker 1: Combust, this morning. Luke, the remix size for that? That

2403
01:54:13,800 --> 01:54:14,200
Speaker 1: was good.

2404
01:54:14,720 --> 01:54:17,160
Speaker 2: Do you think we should add that on to Friday's

2405
01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:19,880
Speaker 2: intro and that'll be the official Friday intro for the

2406
01:54:19,920 --> 01:54:21,240
Speaker 2: people only.

2407
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:22,680
Speaker 1: If we can get that for free and we don't

2408
01:54:22,720 --> 01:54:24,720
Speaker 1: have to pay a dime because there is no budget.

2409
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:29,759
Speaker 2: Well that is also true right there, but uh wow,

2410
01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:31,519
Speaker 2: shout out to ashkon for dropping that.

2411
01:54:31,479 --> 01:54:34,320
Speaker 1: Hard, big thank you. That was fantastic. I'll dig that.

2412
01:54:34,360 --> 01:54:35,320
Speaker 1: I dig that. That was great.

2413
01:54:35,560 --> 01:54:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm into that all right. Our third one comes

2414
01:54:37,720 --> 01:54:40,600
Speaker 2: to us from PF. Here is a BC getting a

2415
01:54:40,640 --> 01:54:41,440
Speaker 2: haircut apparently.

2416
01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:47,200
Speaker 1: Is that just some random redneck?

2417
01:54:47,600 --> 01:54:49,760
Speaker 2: It kind of looks like rams on cadirof Right.

2418
01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:53,800
Speaker 1: It's like if if you and Ramzong banged and then

2419
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:54,560
Speaker 1: had a kid.

2420
01:54:54,720 --> 01:54:57,720
Speaker 2: You know, yes, Okay, I guess it's a picture of

2421
01:54:57,760 --> 01:55:00,320
Speaker 2: a man getting his haircut that apparently looks like like me.

2422
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:02,280
Speaker 2: Would you say it all? Luke? Is that man Lithuanian?

2423
01:55:02,320 --> 01:55:02,520
Speaker 9: I don't.

2424
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:04,880
Speaker 1: I don't think so what do you think Long Island

2425
01:55:04,920 --> 01:55:06,640
Speaker 1: aus see rules? Luke? The BC?

2426
01:55:07,960 --> 01:55:08,360
Speaker 4: Loosely?

2427
01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:12,720
Speaker 1: All right, well that's a you know, well, thank you people. Hey, listen,

2428
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:15,160
Speaker 1: they can't all be winners, BC, they can't all be winners.

2429
01:55:15,440 --> 01:55:17,320
Speaker 2: Not all of our listeners can be winners. Hey. This

2430
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:20,960
Speaker 2: one's from Dire Badger. He says, this meme was a

2431
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:23,960
Speaker 2: lot more relevant when MK was on hiatus. But I

2432
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:27,839
Speaker 2: did find out what Gong starts searching for in relation

2433
01:55:28,080 --> 01:55:28,560
Speaker 2: to Luke.

2434
01:55:29,320 --> 01:55:33,680
Speaker 1: Wow, It's not like I went out on some gigantic

2435
01:55:33,760 --> 01:55:37,440
Speaker 1: tour of like Izzy and vulk are bad. Like I don't.

2436
01:55:37,480 --> 01:55:40,000
Speaker 1: I don't get that. Like I'm the guy who supported

2437
01:55:40,280 --> 01:55:43,560
Speaker 1: City Kickboxing before half the world recognized they were good

2438
01:55:43,640 --> 01:55:46,600
Speaker 1: first of all, and I'm the one that recognized when

2439
01:55:46,640 --> 01:55:49,880
Speaker 1: their reigns came to an end before the rest of

2440
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:53,880
Speaker 1: the world. Like, I feel like everybody is behind the

2441
01:55:53,960 --> 01:55:58,960
Speaker 1: curve and I'm getting blamed for being ahead of It's.

2442
01:55:57,560 --> 01:56:00,000
Speaker 2: The equivalent to the I brought you into this world.

2443
01:56:00,160 --> 01:56:01,640
Speaker 2: I can take you out of it line. I mean,

2444
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:02,160
Speaker 2: by the.

2445
01:56:02,160 --> 01:56:04,920
Speaker 1: Way my mom delivered a time or two, I'm just saying, like,

2446
01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:07,600
Speaker 1: how are y'all on? It's like, I don't think is

2447
01:56:07,640 --> 01:56:09,800
Speaker 1: he is the second best middle of all time vocals

2448
01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:13,080
Speaker 1: number one pounds pound in the world. We celebrated them

2449
01:56:13,080 --> 01:56:15,120
Speaker 1: when that was it, But like, dude, there's new people

2450
01:56:15,160 --> 01:56:17,920
Speaker 1: coming into the sport. I'm supposed to ignore that fuck off?

2451
01:56:18,080 --> 01:56:19,760
Speaker 2: Well, you did text me in last night in the

2452
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:22,120
Speaker 2: middle of the night. Eugene Bearman was never my friend,

2453
01:56:22,160 --> 01:56:23,120
Speaker 2: and I was like, okay.

2454
01:56:22,840 --> 01:56:25,880
Speaker 1: That's okay. I never texted you that you're fucking lying douchebag.

2455
01:56:25,960 --> 01:56:29,880
Speaker 2: But I got dB status right there. Hey, we got

2456
01:56:29,880 --> 01:56:31,800
Speaker 2: one more from Joe. I don't know if this is

2457
01:56:31,800 --> 01:56:33,680
Speaker 2: an average Joe or a more you know, or a

2458
01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:36,480
Speaker 2: lesser quality one. But here's the Star Wars. Luke, meme,

2459
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:37,680
Speaker 2: my doubt it's average Joe.

2460
01:56:38,120 --> 01:56:45,960
Speaker 1: When Tooria says, honestly, Phantom Menace wasn't that bad? All right?

2461
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:49,840
Speaker 1: See this is funny. This is funny. By the way,

2462
01:56:50,080 --> 01:56:52,200
Speaker 1: even if if he said that, I would lose respect

2463
01:56:52,240 --> 01:56:53,800
Speaker 1: for him. Can I just be honest? It's the worst

2464
01:56:53,800 --> 01:56:56,400
Speaker 1: movie ever made. If you like Phantom Menace, it's because

2465
01:56:56,440 --> 01:56:57,960
Speaker 1: you don't read books, and to the extent that you

2466
01:56:58,000 --> 01:56:59,640
Speaker 1: read it all it's at a fifth grade level. Fuck

2467
01:56:59,640 --> 01:57:00,920
Speaker 1: you're life.

2468
01:57:01,040 --> 01:57:03,360
Speaker 2: You might like it because you do read books, but

2469
01:57:03,400 --> 01:57:06,160
Speaker 2: you're all jacking off to the graphic novels of Star Wars,

2470
01:57:06,240 --> 01:57:07,480
Speaker 2: you know, Like you gotta draw a limit.

2471
01:57:08,240 --> 01:57:10,840
Speaker 1: What's what's worse jacking off, which I don't do, but

2472
01:57:11,000 --> 01:57:13,480
Speaker 1: jacking off to the Star Wars like graphic novels, or

2473
01:57:13,600 --> 01:57:18,120
Speaker 1: actually thinking Phantom Menace is good. Jacking off to the

2474
01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:22,120
Speaker 1: Star Wars is graphic novels is much more acceptable.

2475
01:57:22,280 --> 01:57:24,560
Speaker 2: Ahsoka is kind of sneaky to be fair, right, Luke

2476
01:57:24,600 --> 01:57:25,560
Speaker 2: for an alien.

2477
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:29,240
Speaker 1: The show or like it's Rosario Dawson, Like, yeah, she rules,

2478
01:57:29,240 --> 01:57:29,880
Speaker 1: but I.

2479
01:57:29,920 --> 01:57:32,440
Speaker 2: Was talking more about the cartoon character with the alien. Look,

2480
01:57:32,440 --> 01:57:32,840
Speaker 2: maybe I.

2481
01:57:32,760 --> 01:57:34,800
Speaker 1: Got the wrong. Sorry, are you under the impression that

2482
01:57:34,800 --> 01:57:37,160
Speaker 1: I have time in my life to watch Star Wars cartoons?

2483
01:57:37,200 --> 01:57:37,800
Speaker 1: Because I don't.

2484
01:57:38,160 --> 01:57:40,120
Speaker 2: No, no, well, you do have a child in your house.

2485
01:57:40,120 --> 01:57:42,000
Speaker 2: Why don't you get her up on Star Wars like

2486
01:57:42,040 --> 01:57:42,960
Speaker 2: I did to my kids?

2487
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:44,760
Speaker 1: Oh it's funny. You mentioned that. I've tried to do

2488
01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:47,400
Speaker 1: that for a number of times and she just rejected

2489
01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:50,080
Speaker 1: it every time. And then the other day I actually

2490
01:57:50,120 --> 01:57:53,760
Speaker 1: put on the original? Is the Original? And New Hope?

2491
01:57:54,160 --> 01:57:54,480
Speaker 2: Yes?

2492
01:57:54,600 --> 01:57:56,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I put on a New Hope and

2493
01:57:56,480 --> 01:57:59,920
Speaker 1: she was loving it and we had to go to

2494
01:58:00,280 --> 01:58:02,160
Speaker 1: and she was like, can I finished all Wars? I'm like, no,

2495
01:58:02,160 --> 01:58:03,600
Speaker 1: we have to go to bet and she was pitching

2496
01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:04,320
Speaker 1: a fit about it.

2497
01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:06,280
Speaker 2: So you would let her watch the whole thing and

2498
01:58:06,280 --> 01:58:07,840
Speaker 2: then watching another time over again?

2499
01:58:08,040 --> 01:58:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, because if I don't let her get sleep, she's

2500
01:58:09,680 --> 01:58:11,400
Speaker 1: a nightmare of the next day. She gotta get to sleep.

2501
01:58:11,680 --> 01:58:15,800
Speaker 1: But just like her dad. To be fair, I may

2502
01:58:15,840 --> 01:58:18,320
Speaker 1: have finally turned a corner. I may have finally done it.

2503
01:58:18,520 --> 01:58:21,480
Speaker 2: All right, well done, good work right there, Luke Thomas there,

2504
01:58:21,480 --> 01:58:24,560
Speaker 2: And that is, by the way, our show for the week. Guys,

2505
01:58:24,600 --> 01:58:27,480
Speaker 2: really enjoy three oh eight Tomorrow. You get an early

2506
01:58:27,560 --> 01:58:29,640
Speaker 2: start time. It'll be over by dinner time on the

2507
01:58:29,640 --> 01:58:32,400
Speaker 2: East Coast. Luke, will you be vaping on air in

2508
01:58:32,440 --> 01:58:33,600
Speaker 2: your post fight breakdown?

2509
01:58:34,400 --> 01:58:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure i will be. Yeah, join me Luke Thomas

2510
01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:38,440
Speaker 1: on YouTube. I'll be doing that.

2511
01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:41,520
Speaker 2: I'll be on CBS Sports HQ after the main event.

2512
01:58:41,560 --> 01:58:43,280
Speaker 2: You can check that out live. You can follow and

2513
01:58:43,320 --> 01:58:46,160
Speaker 2: subscribe it our channels. Blow for the final time, Long

2514
01:58:46,160 --> 01:58:48,360
Speaker 2: Island Luke of the main card minute. I assume you're

2515
01:58:48,360 --> 01:58:49,760
Speaker 2: gonna have a busy day tomorrow.

2516
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:51,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll be live for the whole card. Join me

2517
01:58:51,840 --> 01:58:54,000
Speaker 4: ten am and then you can join Luke afterwards.

2518
01:58:54,040 --> 01:58:56,400
Speaker 1: Hey, is there any one bet you didn't get to

2519
01:58:56,840 --> 01:58:59,000
Speaker 1: mention on air that you feel like? What's the lock

2520
01:58:59,120 --> 01:58:59,680
Speaker 1: of the week?

2521
01:59:00,400 --> 01:59:02,600
Speaker 5: Not my lock of the week, but my favorite bet

2522
01:59:02,600 --> 01:59:05,800
Speaker 5: of the week is Alexander Rakitch money line plus three fifty.

2523
01:59:05,960 --> 01:59:08,080
Speaker 5: If he hits again, it'll be back to back weeks

2524
01:59:08,320 --> 01:59:09,560
Speaker 5: plus three fifty plus two.

2525
01:59:09,680 --> 01:59:13,680
Speaker 2: He needs to win badly, and we know he's championship quality.

2526
01:59:13,720 --> 01:59:16,000
Speaker 2: He just hasn't put it together right. I'm not crazy, and.

2527
01:59:15,960 --> 01:59:18,840
Speaker 4: It's only three rounds, which I think actually favors him here.

2528
01:59:18,920 --> 01:59:21,200
Speaker 1: So okay, we'll see, we'll.

2529
01:59:21,000 --> 01:59:24,280
Speaker 2: See us back into that Thank you, Long Island, Luke.

2530
01:59:24,440 --> 01:59:27,360
Speaker 2: Right there, that's the show. Check out True Classic by

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Speaker 2: especially for our here, So why don't you go to

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Speaker 2: what we are talking about. Great fit, great quality, great

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Speaker 2: great everything, Luke. I mean it kind of makes it

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Speaker 2: look like I, you know, I've got you know, Joaquin

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Speaker 2: Buckley sized pecks when I wear the True Classic, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the True Classic. I love it. I actually bought

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Speaker 1: you Classic before we even got offered the sponsorship, so

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Speaker 1: that's like the ultimate sign of respect for it. So

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Speaker 1: there you go. I mean, when they offered it to us,

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Speaker 1: I was like, I literally already owned this stuff, so

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Speaker 1: then they sent me more, so now I have even more.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, Trueclassic dot com Slash Combat with a k.

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Speaker 2: Hey, True Classic, I want more. Let's work on that

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Speaker 2: drug rug collab together. Maybe all right, there you go

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Speaker 2: for Long Island Luke for regular Luke Thomas I AMBC

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Speaker 2: signing off. Take care of yourselves, enjoy the fights this weekend.

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Speaker 2: We love you. Check out our solo channels. We are

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Speaker 2: out of here.