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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane

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Speaker 1: Never told your production by Heart Radio, and today we

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Speaker 1: are thrilled to be joined by Katrina, who I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and say friend of the show hopefully

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Speaker 1: by the end of this UM, who has been involved

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Speaker 1: in the AI world, the world of artificial intelligence as

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Speaker 1: both a user and professionally for a while. Now. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for joining us, Katrina, Thank you for

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Speaker 1: having me. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Can you tell the

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Speaker 1: audience a little bit about yourself? Yes? I can so.

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Speaker 1: My name is Katrina slaps Off. I, like Annie has said,

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Speaker 1: I've been in the AI art world for well, not forever,

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Speaker 1: but like considering how quickly the air our world is

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Speaker 1: for like a good chunk now. I have been working

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Speaker 1: with mid Journey UM in the volunteer since since the

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Speaker 1: beginning of July UM and I started working with them

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Speaker 1: as a community liasion. I think I'm saying that right

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Speaker 1: since September. They're not my only job. I also work

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Speaker 1: in the creative industry. I have for about six years now,

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Speaker 1: maybe seven. For my day job, I am a senior designer.

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Speaker 1: I work in a democratic slash left leaning political agency.

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Speaker 1: We do a lot of work for UM campaigns, political campaigns,

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Speaker 1: for nonprofits, UM, for some super PACs and whatnot. UM

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Speaker 1: and we just got out of the election cycle, which

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Speaker 1: was intense and fun. Yeah. And I've also, like in

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Speaker 1: the past, I've worked with a ton of big brands

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Speaker 1: also on an immersive space of spaces actually weirdly so yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's really fun. So yeah, Yeah, you sent us kind

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Speaker 1: of a like breakdown of all the stuff you've done,

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Speaker 1: and it's quite a bit, quite a bit. Um. We

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Speaker 1: did want to put a disclaimer in here because you're

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Speaker 1: here speaking as an individual and that for any particular company. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and also we Samantha and I have an episode on

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Speaker 1: because there is a lot to talk about. But um,

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Speaker 1: for people, Katrina who do not know what we're talking about,

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Speaker 1: can you explain it like that? It can be the

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Speaker 1: So I know because when we're talking about AI specifically

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Speaker 1: I would have thought of AI a long time ago,

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Speaker 1: But here we're talking with you specifically about the art world,

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Speaker 1: But basically you have the guides and you have the moderators.

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Speaker 1: They're both kind of the same group. The guides are

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Speaker 1: meant more as like people to like help and support

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Speaker 1: I could listen more examples. UM. The moderators, on the

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Speaker 1: Because there is there is a lot of conversation and

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Speaker 1: for all the banned words phrases we have used. We

429
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: have we actually have um different levels to them. So

430
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: like if you use the N word, that's like the

431
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: worst level you will get automatically timed out. We have

432
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: like a whole channel where we can see what people

433
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: are like what banned words phrases they're using, We can

434
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 1: see their entire prompt so UM we have like specific

435
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: things that if we see somebody using them, you're using

436
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: specific words, instant band goodbye, Like we don't want you

437
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: as a part of our community, even if you're just

438
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: like testing it. You know, like it's just you know,

439
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: even it's just it's not worth it. It's not worth

440
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: to have certain people in our community. Um Our moderators

441
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: are really active, which is great. It's it's kind of

442
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: a mix. So we have like a mod queue on

443
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: the website itself. People report UM, the report images through

444
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: the site. It'll go to a feed that only the

445
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: mods can see UM and we you know, we can

446
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: delete photos you can even unpublish them, which means they're

447
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: not actually deleted. Um, that's first that we do that.

448
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: We do that very rarely. We do that for stuff

449
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: that's like actually like not breaking rules, but it may

450
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: be so uncomfortable. It really depends. Um, but yeah, it's

451
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: it's definitely, it's definitely grown a lot. But I will

452
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: say our community is pretty good. Actually, yeah, it sometimes

453
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: seems very overwhelming, like how many bad people are using

454
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: it for bad things, But it's actually not like if

455
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: you compare like the actual amount of stuff for moderating

456
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: versus the amount of people who are using it, it's

457
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: like and usually the people who are who are doing

458
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: bad stuff with it, they're like only doing that, and

459
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: so once you clean that up, it's like we just

460
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: got rid of like a big chunk, you know. But yeah,

461
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: our moderator team is great. Um, they care very strongly

462
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: about it, and we can't like the way we kind

463
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: of see or at least the way I see us

464
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: is that like where we have to like wade through

465
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of but to protect other people from having

466
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: to do so, you know, right, which should be which

467
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: should be the case. Very fascinated as the new medium

468
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: has kind of come about UM and not even talking

469
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: about any of the controversy outside of you know, the

470
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: art world into the art world, but within because one

471
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: of the things that we talked about, especially when we

472
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: talk about new mediums, new places to maybe be able

473
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: to monetize or not even monetize, but at least express

474
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: yourself or do things to create UM when we see

475
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: this is kind of a social media platform in its

476
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: own right, obviously with a discord and being able to

477
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: publish UM being being a community. How do you think

478
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: companies like yours can because you're at the cust You're

479
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: at the beginning essentially, which we're saying it's not new,

480
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: but as the popularity is growing, you're at the beginning,

481
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: can be an opening and welcoming space for women. When

482
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: oftentimes platforms like this or popular platforms like this can

483
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: be overrun by your patriarchal cis white men who want

484
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: to capitalize. How does the platform rather make sure that

485
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: they are or do you think they are welcoming the

486
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: marginalized communities like women and people of color? You know,

487
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: I hope we are. I have been approached by numerous

488
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: people that have said, like my presence for example, because

489
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: I'm very I present very obviously as she her like

490
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: I have it in my bio my uh uh, my

491
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: profile picture is like a pink eye. You know, it's

492
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Speaker 1: it's But I've been approached by many people that said, oh,

493
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: you know, your presence here has made me feel safer.

494
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: And I know my fellow moderators, I know the fellow guides,

495
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: they're all really good people. Um. And I think that's

496
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: how that's how we manage that is we have a

497
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: really really really solid moderator team who we are not

498
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: We are not afraid to be like stop it. We

499
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Speaker 1: are we do not want that in our community. Get

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Speaker 1: out of here. Um. I will say, uh, we used

501
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: to have a lot more of that nonsense. A lot

502
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: of people get really upset that they can't do anything

503
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: they want to do um or make any image they

504
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: want to make, and they cry about censorship and uh

505
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: um they have migrated to other services. And I think

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00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: I can speak for a lot of other moderators at

507
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: least that we're we're glad you know, if you want

508
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: to go do that stuff, just don't don't do it.

509
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: Don't do it where we have to deal with it. Please,

510
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: not that I think it's okay. But you know, I

511
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: don't have control over the other spaces, but I have

512
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,479
Speaker 1: control over this space, and so I feel very strongly.

513
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: The moderators feel very strongly UM we and I mentioned

514
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: that one channel, we we have a similar channel so

515
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: that we can keep an eye on like things happening

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00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: within discord um on Facebook, which I mentioned like, I

517
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: was the main admin of that. I launched it, I

518
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: the standards for it, I made decisions of how it

519
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: was going to be ran um, and I also created

520
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: the team for it. And one of the decisions that

521
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: I made that ended up being such a good decision.

522
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: I had to fight for it to UM. But one

523
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: of those insis I made was UM and the Facebook

524
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: group that everything has to have post approval, which means

525
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: you can submit something, but then before it to actually

526
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: get posted on the group, a moderator, a Facebook moderator

527
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: has to prove it. And so there have been so

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00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: many things that we've caught UM that just feel bad

529
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: or you know, aren't appropriate or not even really as

530
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: mid journey sometimes UM fun side story, we have one

531
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: guy try to post his entire camera roll on accident.

532
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:39,959
Speaker 1: It was like a over a thousand pictures. But you know,

533
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: if we have to, we have to stay vigilant, and

534
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, we can't always catch everything. So I'm always

535
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: trying to remind people like, report it, report it. Message

536
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: me if you need to. If I don't answer right

537
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: away because I'm sleeping, you know, go to their mod um.

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00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,479
Speaker 1: There are ways you can report through Facebook. There are

539
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: ways you can report through the Reddit, there are ways

540
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: you can report through Discord, and there are ways you

541
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: can report on our our website UM. And if it's

542
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: like really bad, message us and we will get it

543
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: right away. But yeah, it really you know, we have

544
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: to coordinate a lot because you know, we have to

545
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: find people that can do the night shifts we know,

546
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: and the USA people are asleep, and it's it's it's

547
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: a lot, but and I think we all try really hard,

548
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: and we all really really care a lot about creating

549
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: like safe spaces UM for people. So I hope, I

550
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: really hope they feel safe. I really hope so. And

551
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: if they don't, I hope that people feel like they

552
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: can message me about it and I will try and

553
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: help um. For anybody who's listening on Discord, I'm knuckle

554
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: it's f n you c k l E, and then

555
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: I have in parentheses community. I always say this world

556
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: wrongly at the it's a hard one. My couple picture

557
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,959
Speaker 1: is a giant pink eye. Please message me UM, and

558
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: I will try and help as much as I can.

559
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: I feel very strongly about it. I want mid Journey

560
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: community to be safe and open to everyone. Well, that's awesome,

561
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: and I think that might be the answer to itself

562
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: and a lot of the platforms that don't actually look

563
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: for the safety and and guidelines for the safety of

564
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: their users and allow for misinformation. I know that's not

565
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: the same thing for this, but like misinformation or harassment

566
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: in general, to run amuck um without any kind of

567
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: checks and balances, it definitely doesn't make it unsafe for

568
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: many of the users. So if you are like helping,

569
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: which it sounds like, I love that to make the

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00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: safe for marginalized people UM and and queer communities. So

571
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: that's awesome to hear because that is one of the

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00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: things I think it's missing in general when it comes

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00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: to social media platforms or different types of mediums that

574
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: can be for the public. Yeah, and I think it's

575
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 1: important to note to UM as we're as we're trying

576
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: to build my journey up and and this is this

577
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: is more from the actual team itself. UM, But I

578
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: know and David talks about this all the time in

579
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: the office hours, like he does not want to repeat

580
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: the same mistakes as regular social media. And that's why

581
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: you can't, for example, you can't see who follows you.

582
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: You know you can't. You can't see the amount of

583
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 1: people who follow you because we just want to avoid

584
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: like a lot of the uh like likes validation kind

585
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: of thing. UM that happens, and it's still happening with

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00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: the community feed right now, and we talk about it

587
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: and talk about how we want to change it. So UM,

588
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: whenever that gets released, that will be really interesting and fun,

589
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: I think. So, I guess we should have said this

590
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: at the top, and I didn't. We are not currently

591
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: sponsored by anything we are mentioning, including Chlorox, which you

592
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: really came for. Actually like that. I'm fine with it.

593
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: But saying so, one of the things you brought up

594
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: when we were first communicating about this, UM was building

595
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: community with women, and you've kind of been talking about

596
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: that throughout, but I'm curious about that. And also just

597
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: in terms of users and people who work on it.

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00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: What have you seen demographically so right now? Uh, it's

599
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: it's been acknowledged, uh in like office hours and whatnot.

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00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: But there are less women that use my journey than

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00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: we wish there was. And it's been really interesting because

602
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: I will say this, our moderator and guide team UM

603
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: is very diverse, very very very diverse. We have all ages,

604
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: we have UM, people who are neuro divergent, including me UM.

605
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: We have people who are parents, people who aren't parents,

606
00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: people UM, all ethnicities, religion, everything. But the one thing

607
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: that I noticed a while ago was after I was

608
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: made moderator, I was like, I'm one of three outwardly

609
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: she her moderators, and I'm the only one who interacts

610
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: the community because the other one, one of the other ones, UM,

611
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: she was more in the Chinese community, and the third one, UM,

612
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: she does a lot more behind the scenes work. She

613
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: just did she actually just did our new docs. If

614
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: you ever want to look, it's really fancy, it's cute.

615
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: Sorry I had to say something today. We just released

616
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: it like yesterday, and I'm very proud of it. But

617
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: the point is, like I was, I realized I'm the

618
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: only female moderator that like people know UM. And so

619
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: it was like the day before I was going on vacation,

620
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, guys, UM, I just realized this thing.

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Speaker 1: And actually I just realized also this by so many

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00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: she hers reach out to me, UM and not to

623
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: other people, because I'm the only obvious one that like

624
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: gets it, you know, and that's really cool. But also, um,

625
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: you know, like women aren't a monolith. I don't want

626
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: to speak for the you know, all of the women everywhere, UM,

627
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: because I'm not you know, my opinions are not gonna

628
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: be the same as everyone else's. I don't know what

629
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: we can do about it, but like, this is the thing.

630
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: You should be aware of it. And I went on

631
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: vacation the next day, and when I got back, I

632
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: found that my counterpart, who I love, UM, he and

633
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: I have the same brain. He's great. UM. He's the

634
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: other boss of mods that works alongside me. UM. He

635
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: had added a bunch of new guides that were women

636
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: she Herd coded UM and I was like, that's really

637
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: really nice because you just heard me and you just

638
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: made the steps to solve this and like bring more

639
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: women in, um, all on your own without me having

640
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: to do much more than be like, hey, this is

641
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: a thing. So that was the thing, um, and we're

642
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: working on it. But yeah, because I wanted because I

643
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: was one of the only mods he was a woman,

644
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: like I said, people would reach out to me. UM.

645
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: And then I just ended up somehow accidentally just actually

646
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: knowing a lot of women in the community. And I

647
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: think that's been really interesting and really cool. Yeah. I'm

648
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: trying to think what more can I say on that. UM.

649
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: I just actually I was just reached out to actually

650
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: yesterday by somebody who has their own server for a

651
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 1: woman and uh, marginalized people in different communities, UM, which

652
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 1: I just joined today, and I was like poking around

653
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, this is so cool, you know. Um.

654
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, I definitely think there can be more done

655
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: in that area to invite um, not just women, but

656
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: just anybody who is an assist white man and invite

657
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 1: them into our space and just show them how cool

658
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: AI and how empowering it can be too. Yeah, it

659
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: seems really neat, you know, And I'm thinking about because

660
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: I'm kind of kind of alluded to it earlier about

661
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: you know, I do hear a lot about the controversy

662
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: when it comes to the art world and uh AI

663
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: and interesting in love you are in the art world

664
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: specifically actually doing this as a job as part of

665
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: your creative jobs, which is interesting in itself, And but

666
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: you're also really really adamant about the benefits of AI. UM. Both,

667
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: how do you see that? Do you see that at all?

668
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: In conflicting because we are we have again we're hearing

669
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: a lot of controversy back and forth about you know,

670
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: is this going to disrupt uh individual artists? Is going

671
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 1: to disrupt the art world as we see it? Um

672
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: And then coming back to you know, but you do

673
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: you use this as a part of your job as well,

674
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: Like how does that all encompass for you as an

675
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: artist slash AI expert. I'm gonna say, call your expert.

676
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 1: You know. I think that's one of the biggest things

677
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: that I don't want to stay hurtful, but it's kind

678
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: of hurtful this idea that it's AI versus artists because

679
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm an artist, I work in the creative industry.

680
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: A lot of my friends who are working in the

681
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: creative industry for many years use AI. My friend who

682
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: invited me to my journey is an artist. I don't

683
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,479
Speaker 1: think it conflicts at all. I maybe a little bit,

684
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: but like not not really. I know most people who

685
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: I've talked to, and I say most, not all, but

686
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: most people I've talked to who have been working in

687
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: the creative industry, once they try it and really get

688
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: a feel for it, they start to understand, Oh, this

689
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: is like really cool and really awesome. Um. I I

690
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: do use it. I use it as a tool. Is

691
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: really great for brainstorming, is really great for trying to

692
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: figure out like interesting new ways to take a concept.

693
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: You know. I have this thing when I'm working my

694
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: day job as a designer where it's like I have

695
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: like a specific style in mind, but then when I

696
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: try to find examples of it, I can't find it,

697
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: And so that's really helpful. I think it's a really

698
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: really powerful creative tool. UM. And the other thing I

699
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: want to say is, and I said this before, but

700
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: the big thing of AI art is it is highlighting

701
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,959
Speaker 1: a lot of the issue is already present, um within

702
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: the art world. So one of the big issues that

703
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: has already been present is that, um, there's a certain

704
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: group of artists and designers who are very are valued

705
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: very lowly, and who don't get paid enough. And some

706
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: of the problems around that is, you know, one, they're

707
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there that are doing it,

708
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: so you have a lot of competition. Um, you also

709
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: have competition from overseas. You know, there there are companies

710
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: where they outsource their design, you know, to another country

711
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: where the costs of living maybe a lot lower, and

712
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: so they can pay them a lot lower wage. That's

713
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: not right, right, And so now a AI has done

714
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: is it basically taken a lot of these issues that

715
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: we've already had for a long time, and it's just

716
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: making him more obvious and making it harder. And it

717
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: is a little bit scary, I think for people who

718
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: are already struggling. I think you could say the same

719
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: thing for people who whose jobs have already been overtaken

720
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: by machines in a way, you know, like cashiers for example.

721
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: And personally, I think a lot of the stems from

722
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: the fact that we just live in a capital realistic world, um,

723
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: where you have to have you have to have some

724
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: sort of skill or value or you know, something to

725
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: contribute to be able to live. And that's really unfortunate.

726
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: And so I asked somebody who is in a very democratic,

727
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: like leftist side of the world. I'm like, hey, maybe

728
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: this is a great way to start talking about things

729
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: like you b I or like other ways that we

730
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: can we can help people live without necessarily having to

731
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: rely on employment, because I think that's an issue not

732
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: justin the art world but in many different areas of

733
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: of our society right now. So um, I think also

734
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: that the fine arts world people are scared of that.

735
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: Like the people are like, oh, is the end of art?

736
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: This is not the end of art. This is not

737
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: the end of art at all. The fine arts world,

738
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 1: they're they're going to be interested in it, but it's

739
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: not really going to change it because fine arts people

740
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: are way more concerned not just of the the output,

741
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: but like who made it, why do they make it,

742
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: how do they make it? And so yeah, there's gonna

743
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: be some galleries and whatnot that show off AI art

744
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: because it's interesting, but it's not going to change the

745
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: value of people who are painting or or illustrated or whatever,

746
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: or sculpting or whatever it is. It's not going to

747
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: change their value as an artist. Um. In the fine

748
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: arts world specifically, I think a lot of what it

749
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: will disrupt, right now is what I personally as a

750
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: designer was already just using regular stock imagery for and

751
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: things will change, things will change, UM, But it's also

752
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 1: one of those things where it's like things have already

753
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: been changing and things will change anyway. And it's actually

754
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: really interesting talking to UM A lot of the people

755
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: in the creative industry who have been in it for

756
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: many years, who have a lot more experience than me,

757
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: because regardless of which part of the industry they've been in,

758
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: they'll have some story for you where they're like, oh, yeah,

759
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: I remember when photoshop came onto the scene and people

760
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: were freaking out about it because of this and this

761
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: and this, or like, for example, if you UM, have

762
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: you ever read about Matt painters for movies. Let's take

763
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: Star Wars as an example. Oh so UM probably did

764
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: their special effects. They would basically they would take a

765
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: giant glass pain and put it over top of like

766
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: the movie film frame. UM. I don't know if they

767
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: projected it or not. They'd have to because it was huge.

768
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: And then they take this giant glass frame, they put

769
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: it over top of it and it would literally paint

770
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: the thing they're trying to paint. Some Star Wars. You know,

771
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: the iconic scene where are two D two and uh,

772
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: what's Oh my god, don't come from C C three

773
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: po or you know, they're they're like in the desert

774
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: and they see UM machine. The You see that over

775
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: the hill in the desert, right that was literally painted

776
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: on to a piece of glass. You know. Now that

777
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: doesn't happen at all, you know what I mean, Like

778
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: that entire industry got obliterated because of digital effects and

779
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: c G I that came onto the scene. And so

780
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: this is gonna be like that. It's going to change

781
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: some things in the sense of some people are whose

782
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: jobs are doing right now might be less relevant. But

783
00:47:53,080 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: that's okay in the longer, bigger picture of things, because

784
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: that's just how that's that's how things happen. And from

785
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: how I see it, I think it's going to open

786
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: up an entirely new world of created creativity and just

787
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: entirely new things to make um. And it's going to

788
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: be guided by humans. You know, even though it's AI

789
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, the machines making it. No, at

790
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's still humans that are

791
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: making it and guiding it, you know. And it's and

792
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: it's taking our visions and making it real. It's just

793
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: a different way that it's doing it. If you can

794
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: prompt right, I've seen the nightmare where it's not prompted

795
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: correctly exactly, and it's it takes some practice to to

796
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: get it right. I mean, it is interesting. We've been

797
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: doing a lot of technology episodes lately, and essentially the

798
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: takeaway is like they're pros and cons. There's bias involved

799
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: because humans are involved, and you can't remove technology from

800
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: the society that we are and the people who created

801
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: it and the people who use it. Um. But I

802
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: it is also true that, yeah, I've been working kind

803
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: of in this industry for ten years, and there were

804
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: there have been panics like if Google changes the algorithm,

805
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: our whole office would shut down, and it's like, oh

806
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: my god, we're ruined. Yeah, Like, I don't think I

807
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: get it because I remember sitting in the office and

808
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: thinking like, oh I'm fired. Um well Google changed this

809
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: one thing and my whole job's gone. What will I do?

810
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: So I get the fear of it. But it is

811
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: true that, you know, we adapted and we changed and

812
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: I still have a job. It's not the same job,

813
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: but I do still have a related job. I mean,

814
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: and you already see this in a lot of different

815
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: like in the fashion industry. Right now, we're starting to

816
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: see a rise in people valuing handmade stuff, you know,

817
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: handmade pottery and whatnot, um, sustainable stuff, you know. And

818
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: I think in that sense, actually, really nice handmade stuff

819
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: will be valued even more because we'll be so bombarded

820
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: by everything else that people you know, we're we're never

821
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: gonna not value the stuff that people make of their

822
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: own hands. You know, that's not going to change. So

823
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: I'm not too worried. I'm actually really excited. Um. I

824
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: think a lot about do you guys know Stardi value

825
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: all these things that I don't know? I'm so old

826
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: keep going up. It's a really cute and very popular

827
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: games based off of the Harvest Moon games, which are

828
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: um the o G farming simulators. Um uh. But this

829
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: the guy who made Stardi value. He it. He was

830
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: the only person that made it. He spent ten years

831
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: making it, you know, writing the code, um, making all

832
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: the art and I and I remember reading about it

833
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: once and it was like he changed all the art

834
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: like two or three times at a certain point, Like

835
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: I said, it grew and evolved and it's such a

836
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: it's it's won so many awards and it's such a

837
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: loved piece of media, and you know, it just really

838
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: makes me think of that because I'm like, Okay, now

839
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: everybody has ten years to dedicate to making like a

840
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: big project like this, but now with AI, you know,

841
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: and especially once it evolves to something a lot um

842
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: stronger and more usable. Imagine if like anybody, you know,

843
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: they could do what this guy did in ten years,

844
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: they could do it in a couple of months, you know.

845
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: And imagine the amount of new stories, the amount of

846
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: new media, the amount of niche stuff too. Because if

847
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: you're a big movie production place, you know, you have

848
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: you're spending like millions of dollars on making a movie.

849
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: You have to make, you know, something kind of generic

850
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: um so that everybody will like because you're you know,

851
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: you have to like stick to certain formulas, you know,

852
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 1: because you don't want to lose money blah blah. Imagine

853
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: a world where it won't take millions of dollars to

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Speaker 1: make movies. And so imagine like you or me, you know,

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Speaker 1: empowering that can be, you know, and also awful actually

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Speaker 1: another think about it, but art is magical. UM. Being

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Speaker 1: able to create is magical. UM. It's gotten me through

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Speaker 1: some of the hardest parts of my life. UM, try

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Speaker 1: not to actually cry. But when my dad died, that

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Speaker 1: was that was I was twenty three, my sister and brother.

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Speaker 1: My sister was fifteen, my brother was fourteen, So it

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Speaker 1: was just a whole thing. And a week after he

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Speaker 1: had died, I sat myself down and I forced myself

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Speaker 1: to create because I knew he'd want me to do that.

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Speaker 1: And that was so healing because it was something that

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Speaker 1: I could hold on to, you know, through my grief.

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Speaker 1: And I have talked to so many people who have

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Speaker 1: had similar stories I've I've talked to. There was one

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Speaker 1: woman who she lost her son and she was like,

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Speaker 1: I was barely living. I was just surviving. And somebody

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Speaker 1: introduced me to mid Journey and I've been able to

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Speaker 1: work through this grief and not only do that but

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Speaker 1: also just make fun stuff and you know, and or

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Speaker 1: people who UM, like one person he was telling me

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Speaker 1: how he used to be able to play guitar, and

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Speaker 1: he uh, he got an injury in his hands. He

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Speaker 1: can't move his hands right. He can type, but he

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Speaker 1: he can't He can't even learn to draw if he

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Speaker 1: wanted to, and so he was just cut off from

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Speaker 1: being able to create in these capacities. And now it's

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Speaker 1: like now he has the ability, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: so powerful. Um. I know a lot of people who, um,

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Speaker 1: they were disabled and like they're like stuck in bed

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Speaker 1: all day or they just they just aren't able to

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Speaker 1: like go out and do things they want to do.

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Speaker 1: And they've told me personally, you know, being able to

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Speaker 1: do this is like brought so much meaning and like

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Speaker 1: so you know, so much magic to their lives, and

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Speaker 1: like that to me is so impactful and so meaningful

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Speaker 1: because I am understand I understand that magic. I've been

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Speaker 1: there myself, and I'm just like I'm just so happy

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Speaker 1: and so um so honored that I get to be

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Speaker 1: a part of something that is opening up that magic

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Speaker 1: to people who have never experienced it before. Um, I

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Speaker 1: think that's really wonderful. So, yeah, you make a great point.

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Speaker 1: I think this is definitely a conversation about accessibility as well.

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Speaker 1: That for people who were not able to create and

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Speaker 1: had images, our thoughts or things that they wanted to

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Speaker 1: do that we're never able to do so or thought

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Speaker 1: they couldn't do. So this could be a conversation about

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Speaker 1: it did open up to those too have an accessible

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Speaker 1: outlet to do those So it is it's an interesting

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Speaker 1: point of view do and not just people who are disabled.

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Speaker 1: But like, I mean, you know, if all the nepotism

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Speaker 1: stuff being talked about recently, you know, it's like even

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Speaker 1: just getting into the art world can be very daunting

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Speaker 1: and expensive. You know, our colleges are super expensive. I

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Speaker 1: would know I went to one, but I also knew

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Speaker 1: people who weren't able to go because they would have

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Speaker 1: never been able to afford it. And so I think

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Speaker 1: about it in that sense, to like just the amount

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Speaker 1: of people who may never have had access to this

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Speaker 1: world it's now become even more easy, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's a good thing. There's so many things we can

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Speaker 1: talk about. There's so many intersections here, and I feel

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Speaker 1: like we've touched on a lot of them. Um, So

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Speaker 1: thank you for for coming on and and discussing it

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Speaker 1: with us, because I'm I'm a newbie, so I learned

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Speaker 1: a lot. Is there anything any resources you want to

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00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: shout out anywhere people can go to find you or

924
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Speaker 1: learn more? So, UM, you can find me on discord

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Speaker 1: if you want. I'm I set myself as offline a

926
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Speaker 1: lot because I get a lot of spam otherwise. But

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Speaker 1: sometimes you might catch me on the side board of

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Speaker 1: all the list of people. UM, I should be in

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Speaker 1: the moderator's column. I'm Knuckle community age on which UM

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Speaker 1: I'm also Knuckle on Instagram. UM, you can message me

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Speaker 1: through there. I will see it, and I guess you

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Speaker 1: can't connect with me on LinkedIn if you want, but

933
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Speaker 1: I might not see it as quick, so I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think you're the first person to use LinkedIn. That's

935
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Speaker 1: that's awesome. There's like actually like a really solid AI

936
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Speaker 1: community on LinkedIn. And the other thing is, UM, I

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00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: might not be able to help everybody, like if you

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Speaker 1: message me, and I might not be online or I

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Speaker 1: might not because I do a lot of stuff. I'm

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Speaker 1: very busy, but like I might not be able to

941
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Speaker 1: help you personally. But we have UM the trial support

942
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: and the member support channels and the guides are there

943
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Speaker 1: to help you. UM and we also have the promp

944
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Speaker 1: Chat channel, which is a lot more specific to helping

945
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Speaker 1: prop stuff. They're great. And then all to the Facebook.

946
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Speaker 1: I think is a really great place to ask questions too,

947
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Speaker 1: because you have a lot of really cool community members there.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, options galore. All right, be hearing from us,

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Speaker 1: I guess, thank you, thank you, thank you again for

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Speaker 1: joining us. Listeners. If you'd like to contact us, you

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Speaker 1: can our emails Stephanie your mom stuff at ihart meia

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Speaker 1: dot com. You can find us on Twitter, ms, podcasts,

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Speaker 1: or Instagram and TikTok that stuff I've never told you. Thanks,

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Speaker 1: it's always started. Super producer Christina, Thank you Christina, and

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Speaker 1: thanks to you for listening stuff I Never told you.

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