WEBVTT - My Favorite Drag Queen - Rock M. Sakura 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:03.840 If you're only on four episodes of RuPaul's Drag Race, 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:06.040 how did you become so popular just off of those 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:06.880 four episodes? 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:09.960 It really is just as soon as the cameras go on, 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:11.120 get your screen time. 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:13.720 All right, Let's get back to how you supplemented your income. 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:17.079 I started doing sex work because I had a friend 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:18.560 that did sex work. 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:20.960 Is sex work a nicer way to say prostitution? 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:24.920 I mean you could say prostitution. I think it's more 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:25.720 of a fun word. 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:37.160 Pasha Cash Show, Tosh Show Show, Welcome to Tash Show. 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:42.200 It's Valentine's Day, Eve. I hope everybody's all horned up 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:47.200 ready for the big day tomorrow. Make sure you stored up. 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:53.159 Don't release today, just keep it all pent up until tomorrow. 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:56.960 Then hit your loved one with all of your goodness. 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:03.800 I've got no plan for Valentine's Day? How about you, Eddie? Nope? Nothing. 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:07.319 What are you watching lately? Watching A We're watching beef 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:11.840 on Netflix. I'm already irritated. I'm watching beef on Netflix. 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:15.000 Everybody has to say, like, I find it so annoying 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:17.679 what you're watching, and then they have they say what 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:21.000 they're watching, and then what platform it's on I don't 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:23.400 know why that bugs me. Everybody's and then they all 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:26.400 that one's seems to be very popular. But people always 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:29.199 try to say something you've never even heard of. There's 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:33.640 too many platforms, epics. You watch anything on epics. Name 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:38.240 one show that comes out on epics. Hold on, Eddie, 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:42.679 you name one person who's watched a show on Epics, 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:47.240 and I'll interview them on this podcast. Oh, I'm watching 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:54.040 Diarrhea of a Handyman on Rumba. Oh really, I never 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:56.639 heard of that. No, No, Diarrhea of a Handyman. It's good. 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:02.200 It's on season two on Rumba. Is the Vacuum? Yeah, yeah, 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:06.200 you know that they're they're producing content now you should 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:09.120 check it out. You know, I watch uh, I watched 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:15.200 that Loopen that that French heist show. It combines two 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:19.960 things that I find irritating, magicians and the French language. 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:24.720 This guy's always he's got disguises and nobody ever recognizes him, 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.080 not even his wife and kids. You know, he puts 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:30.200 on the crazy makeup and he becomes a different person. Meanwhile, 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.360 they they played he's a black gentleman, and they played 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:37.000 the joke like all black people look alike. They've made 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:41.560 that reference to that before, that racist stereotype. This guy 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:48.280 doesn't look like anyone you've ever seen ever. He has 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:53.560 the most unique face. His body is huge, he hunches forward, 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:58.320 so anytime he's in disguise, and then just walking around 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:01.040 the city as the biggest, you know, art thief in 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.800 the history of the world, it's like, well, it's that 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:07.680 fucking dude right there. Oh yeah, now he has gray 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:12.680 eyebrows on, but it's still the same guy. It's like 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.920 when SNL, you know, they've they always have like a 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:19.520 twenty something year old cast, and then when they dress 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:21.480 up like old people, You're just like, well, that's just 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:24.960 a fucking that's just one of the kids dressed up 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:27.440 like an old person. I'm just, I'm just I feel 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.000 like lou Pen should have been arrested anyway. I don't 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.280 I don't get it. I don't get it all yet. 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.000 I watch it mainly to work on my friend. Let 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:36.920 me tell you another thing that I watch. I know, 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:41.000 I know this isn't a recent release, but I just 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:43.800 watched it, and I only have one thing that I 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:48.280 want to talk about, the little mini series Hijack on Apple. 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:52.880 I only had one problem with it, and it's it's 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:55.720 at the beginning when they kind of they've got some 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.440 dirt on the pilot to get him to open the 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.440 emergency door for the whole thing to take place. He's 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.160 he's got to flip a switch to open open this door. 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:07.640 But the co pilot, a woman, is not gonna let 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:10.320 him so, and he's like, no, no, I'm going to 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:12.120 and she's like, I'm not gonna let you. So he 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:15.880 takes like a metal thermis and just beats the shit 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:19.000 out of her. This is my only problem with the 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:23.240 whole show, which none of it is plausible, but this 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:26.640 is why not instead of just beating the shit out 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.039 of her so that you can flip this switch above 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:33.160 your head, you just take one arm and hold her 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:39.599 arms and flip the switch. That's my issue with that. 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:43.839 What else? We we got a new segment on the show. 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.560 You ready for this? It's called Hello from Toss Show. 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:52.320 This is where I say hi to one of our subscribers. Okay, 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:57.720 who do we got here? Doctor Jocelyn in Charlotte, North Carolina. 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:01.400 I know you're listening. I'm told, do you drop off 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:04.840 your daughter at preschool and then listen to us on 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.440 your way home. Well, we're happy to have you as 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:14.080 a subscriber. Also, we've got Bertha in Manitoba. Oh, she's 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:19.360 old as fuck. That's nice. She's missing a finger. Well, 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.760 I'm sorry to hear about that, Bertha. I hope it 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:25.480 wasn't an important finger. And say hi to Stephanie in 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:30.040 Lakewood Ranch, Florida. She's a stay at home single mother 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:35.280 of two. Well that's confusing. I mean, it's not confusing 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.600 to be a single mother, but just stay at home 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:46.160 and single. That's a quite a drain. It's a luxury 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:48.600 you get to stay at home and be single, and 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:51.760 usually it's one of the other. You don't get both. Whatever, 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:55.039 let's get to it. Today's guest, Oh, I was on 0:05:55.120 --> 0:06:00.400 another great TV show, Eddie RuPaul's Drag Race. You watch 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:04.080 that show that is still in the queue, Still in 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:06.360 the queue, still in the que You gotta move that up. 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:15.719 Enjoy Pasha. Okay, if you're anything like me and my 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.360 guest today, you've made a career out of dressing up 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:22.040 like a woman, Please welcome the beautiful queen herself. Rock. 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:24.480 Oh my god, thank you so much for having. 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.440 Me my pleasure. My first question that I ask all 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.720 my guests. Do you believe in ghosts? 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:34.120 I absolutely believe in ghosts. Okay. So, I don't know 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:36.839 how much background checking you did, but not much. Okay. 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:37.080 Good. 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:39.120 I used to live in San Francisco and I lived 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:41.840 in an artist commune with twenty three other people, and 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:46.760 it was located in an old converted nunnery, so where 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:52.680 nuns lived, where they ate, they drank, they probably died, masturbated, 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:57.039 most likely. Yeah, there were odds everywhere. I thought, you 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:01.120 think they do absolutely really? Yeah, I think I bet 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:02.840 they don't. I don't think they do it with their hands. 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.359 I'm sure they just like sit on a really rigid 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:07.919 chair or something like and just grind it, grind it 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:10.560 on the side. Yeah, that's more holy, that's more. 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:14.080 Tell me so that all these non spirits were in 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:14.760 your building? 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:18.640 Oh okay. So I used to have a room that 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:22.440 was next to the old chapel, which was like really small, 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.280 really cold, San Francisco. No one believes in central heating 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:28.320 or anything like that. One night, I was alone, okay, 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:32.600 in the space, and books started flying off the shelf 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.920 straight at me, straight at me, I swear to God, 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:37.680 And one of them happened to be a Bible. 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:41.000 I mean, if that doesn't, If that doesn't scare us straight, 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:46.000 nothing will. Where are you from? 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:49.560 I'm from Santa Clara, so like the Silicon Valley. 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:51.360 I know you're not supposed to ask a woman in age, 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:53.080 But what am I looking at right now? 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:53.880 What do you think? 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:55.000 Oh? Thirty two? 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:58.400 That's exactly I'm about to turn thirty two, like a month, 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:04.240 right right on the head. Seriously. Okay, what about me 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:05.080 reads thirty two? 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:09.120 I don't know, just the experience of northern California. 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:10.400 Yeah, that sounds about right. 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:12.080 Did you say hella growing up? 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:16.920 I absolutely said hella growing up? Oh my god, Rock? 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:18.720 Am I supposed to only call you rock? 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:21.120 You can call me so. My full name is rock 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.120 M soccera. You can call me Rock. You can call 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.760 me Soccra, you can call me rock M. You could 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.640 say anything. People call me Shakira because they can't pronounce soccera. 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:29.920 Oh that's fine. 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:34.120 Shakira is rich and you are in your ethnic background? 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:35.680 Is Filipino? Is that? 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:36.000 Oh? 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:38.679 Filipino? Vietnamese? I just did it twenty three and mes 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:41.679 recently did it work? Yeah, it came back and it 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:46.160 had results. Okay, and I had gonorrhea so it was like, yeah, 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:47.439 it's okay, it happens. 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.400 Of course it does, but they shouldn't tell you that way. 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:54.120 Well, I mean it was like thirty percent Swedish and 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:56.760 seventy Percentnerieah, yeah. 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.080 Fair enough. I did one of those before. I just 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:01.040 wanted to. I was. I was just hoping that I 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:05.720 was something more interesting than I am, like fucking white, 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:07.280 like it's a white to. 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:08.960 Come back, and it was just a middle fingers. 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:10.839 Face elitist prick. 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:15.120 Steve Jobs, what is what the fuck does this mean? 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:23.480 You are gay? Ish? Interesting? Let's talk about your childhood 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.160 for a moment. Up in northern California. What was your childhood? 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:28.560 Like? I grew up in kind of like a mobile 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:30.960 home park, so most people call it a trailer park. 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:32.080 Yeah, that's what I'd call it. 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:37.600 But I was really heavy into video games, were you? Yeah? 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:42.440 But I was really heavy into Nintendo and like Mario Kart. 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:47.320 Funny enough, like it translated into like my adult life, 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.319 Like when I was like maybe nineteen, I was playing 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:51.960 Mario Kart like competitively. 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:56.320 Really yeah, Like like, for okay, it's very interesting though 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.280 that you went into a professional video game plane. 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:01.880 Well, it's also to like the video games also permeate 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:04.720 into all of the drag and stuff too. 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:08.160 How early on did you say I like dressing up. 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.120 I started to like dressing up when I was like 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:13.079 twenty four, and I stopped liking it like maybe two 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:14.880 years ago when I started doing it for a career. 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:15.480 Ah. 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:19.040 You know, a friend of mine had a quote and 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:22.480 I always loved it. He goes, I'm lucky enough to 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:24.680 get to do something I once loved. 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:28.920 I mean truly, if you guys want to go out 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.000 there and get your passion, like, do the thing that 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.160 you love, wait for it to die in front of you, 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:34.320 in front of your very eyes. 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:35.920 When did you come out of the closet? 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.480 Well? I was kind of like outed by my Rantis 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.679 Center computer at the time, because. 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:43.480 Okay, so you got to delete your history. 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:45.960 I didn't know you had to delete the history. Okay. 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.920 I was like I was like twelve or something. Just 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:52.679 computers just came into the game for everybody. 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.560 And the whole internet was created. 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:58.680 For port Okay, so I didn't know how to look 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:01.199 up gay men. Okay, when you're a kid, this is 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:02.800 what you do. You're like, I want to see gay 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.840 people gay dot com. I want to see men's Asses 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:09.079 men's butts dot com. So that was the search history 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:10.880 that my mom found in the computer. 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.840 You're just sitting on those website domain names, Eddie. 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:16.240 Yeah, who's got Men's butts dot. 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.080 Com Men's butts dot com. You had to get in 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.840 early to get that website. By the way, what do 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.720 you think of straight uh? Doing drag? 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:24.559 Oh? I hate them? 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:25.120 Nice? 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:28.199 I thought you just meant straight people fair enough. 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:29.160 Do you hate straight people? 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:30.400 No, I don't hate straight people. 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:33.760 What about people that are straight but they feel like 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:35.880 they can only hang out with gay people? Do you 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:37.120 find them a little fishy? 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:39.959 Yeah? I do. I mean, like a lot of straight 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.520 men that hang out with gay men, they're they're fishing 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:47.240 for something, They're fishing for compliments or you know, like 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:49.760 there's a lot of straight men that get validation from 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:52.440 gamen or like teasing game in something about it. 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:53.880 How'd you pick your drag name? 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.559 So my name actually comes from like I was raised 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:00.320 by TV rather than actual people, and the thing that 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:04.720 I related to most was anime. So my name comes 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.640 from like a like a main character from an anime 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:11.679 series from Card Capture Soccer and The Rock am Soccer 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:14.200 Apart is a pun off of Rock'm soccer robots because 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:17.120 when I first started doing drag, I was doing a 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:19.840 lot of weightlifting and my arms were a lot bigger 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:22.520 than this, And so whenever I would look at myself 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.720 in a picture, it would be so jarring just how 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:27.280 big my shoulders and arms were. 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.079 I mean, if you oiled up right now and started flexing, 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:34.280 you would, I can tell that you're an amazing shape. 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:36.760 Bring out the oil. Okay, let's go now. 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:40.640 Actually anime was Wasn't that your first experience in dressing 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:43.319 in drag was going to oh yeah, an anime convention. 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.080 So I went to an anime convention and I cosplayed 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:49.200 as a character from Street Fighter named Poison and essentially 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:49.680 the outfit. 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:52.040 But you only picked the girl because the girls were interesting. 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:56.520 The thing is like male characters to me, like a 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:59.679 lot of male characters just don't have the I just 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.840 can't relate to them. There's a type of like depth 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:06.040 to a lot of female characters that I really appreciate more. 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:12.719 You know. Also, to movies are fun when you wear them. 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:14.160 A little uncomfortable at times. 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:16.360 I mean they can be if they're really sweaty. 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:21.280 Yeah, I dressed as a drag almost my entire career. 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:25.520 But the original reason that I started is ridiculous, and 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:27.880 most people don't know this story. I was in a 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:34.240 relationship with a girl and she was very, very jealous 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:36.320 to where it was just like a thing where it's like, oh, 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:37.840 this is gonna be a deal breaker at some point 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.280 in this relationship, but right now, you're too good looking. 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:45.000 I'm going to stay with you. So I would dress 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:50.800 as a female so that I wouldn't have to cast 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:54.800 a female to play the part. Then I would go 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:58.320 home and she'd be like, oh I could. There would 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:01.040 just be rage of her, jealous of who I worked 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.400 with that day. That was why I dressed as a woman, 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.480 just so that I didn't have to get yelled at 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:06.760 when I went home. 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:09.840 It's kind of a similar situation to like Shakespearean, except 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:11.200 like the women. 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:16.440 Yeah, that's different difference. You good at walking in heels? 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.040 Oh no? So what I like to do is I'll 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:20.840 step out and then I can't walk in them, so 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:23.160 I'll just get on the floor. Are you good in heels? 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:25.880 No? No, no, But I mean I could pull it 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.080 off better than most straight guys. 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.600 Ken would you would would you say that your is sexy? 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.000 I am an eight and a half. 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.040 In women's Oh why tiny feet? 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.800 I know they were bound as a child, you know, 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:39.880 lotus foot. 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:41.080 I've heard about that. 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:46.840 They thought that the practice was done. But retro, do. 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:49.800 You wish you had gay influencers on social media to 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:51.320 look up to when you were growing up? 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.520 I hate gay influencers now. I hate them so much. 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:58.040 So absolutely not okay? Now I would. 0:14:58.000 --> 0:14:59.280 Would you consider yourself? 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:03.520 Oh yeah, okay, I hate myself so much. You have 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:07.120 no idea how much. It's just like I loathe myself. 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:11.280 That's not true completely, not completely. Who is your idol? 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.800 My idol is so I read a lot of manga. 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:17.400 Do do you read manga? Or watch an me a lot? 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:17.760 Okay? 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:21.040 So one piece, which is getting a live action adaptation soon. 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:25.760 The creator at chiro Oda is my idol. He works 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:29.960 so hard just to create something that he really loves 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:33.800 and really cares about, and he's goofy. He just like 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:37.440 whenever he creates something, it's just because he likes he 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:39.200 likes to do it, like it's just the story he 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.080 wants to tell, and I really admire him for that. 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:43.680 Is there a difference between cross dressing and drag? 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.320 I would say cross dressing is more for like straight 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:50.920 people and like doing it for like self sexual gratification. 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:54.000 I would say cross dressing is more of that for me, 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:58.680 and drag is more of an art form. Drag definitely 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:00.760 you can make a career off of it. I'm not 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:02.440 sure how much cross dressing. 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:07.400 Let's talk about the financials of your career. When you 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:10.240 were living in San Francisco with I don't know how 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:13.600 many people in that twenty three twenty three people you 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.720 were doing drag then, was that paying the bills at all? 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:18.440 Around? Absolutely not? 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:20.240 Okay, how do you make money in drag? 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:22.360 Here's how you make money and drag. Okay, this is 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:24.720 a crash course for you people that are watching you. 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.480 Put on a wig, you put on a dress, put 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:31.400 on shoes, doesn't matter if you can walk in them, okay, one, two, three. 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:33.920 Put on at least a little bit of makeup, like 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:38.560 maybe like a pinky's worth, some eyeshadow. And if you 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:41.760 go out into a bar and you just lip sync 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:43.720 a little bit to a song that you maybe know, 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.440 you can make two or three dollars and then maybe 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:50.920 backflip and that's it. That's the basis of drag. Makeup 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:53.760 wig shoes, backflip song. 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:55.920 Uh huh, and no money. 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:59.360 And no money. Yeah. So basically, for a lot of 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:03.600 drag queens, we do drag for like gender expression, and 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:07.200 we happen to get money at the same time because 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:09.760 we perform as well. When I was in San Francisco, 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:14.200 I could definitely not pay my bills with drag. Before 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:16.760 I did drag, I was doing. I was working in 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:18.800 fast food full time for like ten years. 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:19.840 It's too long. 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:23.119 Oh yeah, absolutely too long. I'm surprised I'm still around you. 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:26.000 I worked at a Jama Juice. I would have thrown 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:26.760 myself in a blender. 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:28.520 If you consider Johna Juice fast food. 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:29.640 Yeah, it's fast food. 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:30.600 Oh you know you do. 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.080 Yeah, I think it's fast food if you go to 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:35.359 the right Jama Juice. But everywhere they take like fucking 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:35.880 ten minutes. 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:37.560 I'm not talking about the speed of it. I just 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:39.080 meant like, when I think of fast food, I think 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:41.720 of McDonald's in the stuff like that, the burgers that 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.360 I don't think that's not good for you. Jama Juice 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.320 isn't good for you. To the calories, it's all sugar. 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:48.879 It's too much sugar. Yeah, now come on, give me 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:51.719 back on track. Oh, okay, your career path. You're in 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:54.199 San Francisco. You're not making money, but before that you were, 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:57.280 You're making money and fast food. That was awful. All right, 0:17:57.320 --> 0:17:57.919 let's good to it. 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.280 Quit my job. I moved to San Francisco's I could 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:03.159 do drag full time. It was like my aspiration. I 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.720 thought I could do drag full time and pay for 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:06.320 all the bills. 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:08.040 Huh. It's an expensive city. 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:11.480 It's an expensive city, and for some reason, they only 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:14.639 like they pay the lowest out of any of the 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:18.200 cities that I've been in for like a drag show fee. 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:20.600 So like they'll pay like thirty five dollars for a show, 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.240 and like here in La they'll pay like one hundred 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.119 to one hundred and twenty five of a show like base. 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:29.320 So I kind of had to supplement my income. 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:31.560 When you lived with twenty three people, when the electric 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:34.080 bill came in, did you guys split it twenty three ways? 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:38.320 I had it fixed, sokay. The one person I guess 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.520 took care of the electricity. I guess it was like 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.320 the landlord or something like that. Whatever. 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:45.719 Let's get back to how you supplemented your income. 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:49.080 I started doing sex work because I had a friend 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:50.520 that did sex work. 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:52.920 Is sex work a nicer way to say prostitution? 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:56.919 I mean you could say prostitution. I think it's more 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:59.000 of a fun word. Ah, you say it like that, 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:03.400 okayution you like? I like it? 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:07.040 Okay, say prostitute, prostitute, hooker, hooker. 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.280 Or or can't be a whore or so make money? 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:12.240 Hand job? What's that going to cost me back in 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:12.560 the day. 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:14.760 It depends on whether or not I use two hands 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:17.560 one hand, one hand, Oh, that's fifty. 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:18.960 Fifty bucks are a nice one hand? 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:21.480 An extra one is twenty five it's half off. 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:27.040 That's nice percentage wise. How many men during the sex 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:28.919 worker days would you say we're straight? 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:33.040 Oh? Well, I mean, like I can tell you how 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:34.640 many were married. I'm not sure how many of them 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:35.080 were straight? 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:37.080 Right? Okay, fair enough married? 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:43.560 Good? No, wow, I'm the other woman's that's. 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:45.679 A lot of straight men getting hand jobs. 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:46.240 Yeah. 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:50.480 Well, how long did you actually dabble in the sex work? 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:53.480 So I did sex work for about two years? So 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:56.639 I was on RuPaul's drag race. To get ready for 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:59.400 the show. You have to get all of these outfits 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:02.800 and wigs and everything ready for the competition. They give 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:04.879 you like a list and you get everything ready. 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:06.960 And I know some of the some of the girls 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:09.359 are mean at some of the other girls if they 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:11.440 don't have the best wigs. 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:15.040 Oh yeah. Like so that was like my nightmare if 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:16.320 I was going to go in and they were gonna 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:17.679