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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Breaking news tonight.

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Speaker 2: Colorado mom Suzanne Morphew goes missing on Mother's Day, seemingly

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Speaker 2: torn off her mountain bike to vanish into thin air,

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Speaker 2: but then her body found in a shallow grave miles

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Speaker 2: away in the last hours.

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Speaker 1: Suzanne Morpheus autopsy released.

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Speaker 2: Not only was Suzanne murdered, she was shot full of

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Speaker 2: animal tranquilizers before her death. Just what does the deadly

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Speaker 2: drug cocktail extracted from her bones reveal? Good evening, I'm

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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Well, Suzanne.

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Speaker 4: If anyone is out there, I can hear this that

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Speaker 4: has you. Please, We'll do whatever it takes to bring

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Speaker 4: you back. We love you when you miss you your girls,

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Speaker 4: even no questions asked, however much they want, I will

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Speaker 4: do whatever it takes to get you back from me.

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Speaker 4: I love you and I want you back.

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Speaker 1: Right, Okay?

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Speaker 2: Whoever took her shot or full of animal tranquilizers before

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Speaker 2: they killed her? I mean powerful animal tranquilizers. We've got

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Speaker 2: an all star panel makes sense of what we know.

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Speaker 1: But listen to this. Be torphinal A Zaperone.

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Speaker 2: Meta to my Dean They first identified her through her

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Speaker 2: dental records and the port she had on her body

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Speaker 2: she was in remission for cancer, then later DNA extractor

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Speaker 2: from her knee. I'm curious, was she wearing the clothes

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Speaker 2: that the medical examiner got already in bags?

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Speaker 1: Could we even tell? Were her bones so.

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Speaker 2: In a state of de comp and completely skeletonize that

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Speaker 2: she was out of her clothes? What more are we

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Speaker 2: learning from this deadly drug cocktail? And according to experts

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Speaker 2: in the Colorado region, hunters do not hunt with animal tranquilizers.

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Speaker 1: But guess who does use them? Barry Morphew.

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Speaker 2: He says he uses animal tranquilizers to shoot deer to

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Speaker 2: get their antlers off of them, and that he may

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Speaker 2: have been using them to shoot chipmunks. Wow, what a

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Speaker 2: coinky dink because now his wife's body turns up, what's

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Speaker 2: left of it full of animal tranquilizers.

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Speaker 1: But that's a whole other can of worms. Don't worry,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to open it in just a few moments.

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Speaker 2: Joining me high profile investigative journalist Lauren Sharf, and you

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Speaker 2: can find her at Lauren Sharf TV. Lauren, thank you

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Speaker 2: for being with us on the story from the very beginning,

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about how her body was found

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Speaker 2: and what the autopsy revealed.

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Speaker 1: That was just released in the last hours. Let's start

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Speaker 1: with the autopsy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so they were just skeletal bones. There was no

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Speaker 5: actual tissue on the bones. It was scattered in Moffat, Colorado,

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Speaker 5: which is a desert area in Sawatch County. And there

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Speaker 5: was also a lot of clothing that was also found.

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Speaker 5: A padded bra a, ripped dark blue gray hooded sweatshirt,

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Speaker 5: a Nike tank top, yetti shorts, fabric fragments, there was

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Speaker 5: a ballclava, pink and light colored leather work gloves. So

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Speaker 5: there were other items besides skeletal remains that were there.

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Speaker 5: No shoes were found.

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Speaker 1: Oh, no shoes. I'm glad you mentioned that.

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Speaker 2: And I'm very intrigued by the balaclava that was found.

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Speaker 2: One of the head face coverings that we often see,

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Speaker 2: like on TV, terrorist serois wearing them where the only

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Speaker 2: thing you see are their eyes. Everything else is covered

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Speaker 2: and they typically come down over the neck and shoulders.

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Speaker 2: A pale patterned balaclava, a pink and light color leather

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Speaker 2: work glove, a light colored partial padded bra a ripped

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Speaker 2: dark blue gray hooded sweatshirt labeled crested butte, a torn

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Speaker 2: green Nike tank top, yetty shorts, and a fabric fragment.

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Speaker 1: What can we deduce?

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Speaker 2: All of the clothing and fabric fragment weathered and covered

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Speaker 2: in dirt. Very curious, joining me, as I said, an

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Speaker 2: all star panel to make sense of what we are learning.

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Speaker 2: You're seeing shot of Suzanne Morphew in life, and she

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Speaker 2: seems very happy with her husband and two adult daughters.

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Speaker 2: But all was not as it seems. Trouble was brewing

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Speaker 2: within the marriage. But before I get to that, I

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Speaker 2: want to focus on these meds, these tranquilizers in her system.

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Speaker 1: And joining me is a renowned death.

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Speaker 2: Investigator, Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, the

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Speaker 2: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and Starve.

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Speaker 1: And You Hit series Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan.

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Speaker 2: Joe Scott in a nutshell because also joining me, Joe

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Speaker 2: Scott is a very dear friend of Suzanne Morphew's. You know,

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Speaker 2: hold on, I see Cheryl McCollum has popped up Joe

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Speaker 2: Scott Cheryl in honor of Suzanne Morphew.

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Speaker 1: I'm wearing my Justice for Suzanne T shirt that.

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Speaker 2: You and I got when we were out investigating and

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Speaker 2: beating the bushes and trying to find answers in Suzanne's murder.

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Speaker 2: Are you at all surprised her body was shot full

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Speaker 6: Not at all.

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Speaker 7: I think it was exactly what he said.

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Speaker 8: He told people, I've got the dark gun, I've got

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Speaker 8: chemicals that I've got rid of, I've got needles, I've

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Speaker 8: got a cap that they found in the dryer. He

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Speaker 8: basically said it. He also told everybody that he was

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Speaker 8: running around the house hunting that could be leakage. He

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Speaker 8: has invoked this entire narrative and right down to her

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Speaker 8: having clothing on right that is not bedclothes, by the way,

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Speaker 8: and he said that's how we left her. It makes

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Speaker 8: complete sense to me that this was going to be

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Speaker 8: the result from her bone mare.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Cheryl McCollum and I trunked through. I can't even

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Speaker 2: tell you about the terrain that we I can't call

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Speaker 2: it hiking because it was slow going, looking and so

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Speaker 2: many spots hoping for the discovery of her body. The

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Speaker 2: discovery was made many miles from home in a shallow

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Speaker 2: grave Joe Scott Morgan. Back to you, Joe, Scott. Another

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Speaker 2: thing in this autopsy report is quote one weathered bullet. See,

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Speaker 2: I've got so many questions, Scott. Was the bullet in

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Speaker 2: the shallow grave? Were the bones in the shallow grave

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Speaker 2: where they scattered? Were the clothes still on the bones?

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Speaker 2: Six envelopes containing five fab brick fragments?

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Speaker 1: What's that? Okay? Jump in.

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Speaker 9: We have to understand if you look, if you look

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Speaker 9: at the autopsy report, Nancy, this is something fascinating, is

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Speaker 9: that this was not just a one day event where

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Speaker 9: they collected everything and put it in a single bag.

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Speaker 9: These bags are actually annotated to demonstrate that two of

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Speaker 9: them had been collected same day, labeled day one twice,

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Speaker 9: and then you have day two and day three where

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Speaker 9: they go out and they collect more remains. So that

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Speaker 9: gives you the understanding that these remains are shallow and

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Speaker 9: that they're probably scattered about. They even had some commingling,

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Speaker 9: apparently with animal skeletal remains out there as well, which

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Speaker 9: the anthropologist to delineate between these two items. So it

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Speaker 9: can be very confusing out there. And then and then

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Speaker 9: to be fascinating to see as this plays out because

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Speaker 9: we don't have all of the reports. What does the

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Speaker 9: ballistic examination say about that round? What kind of weapon

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Speaker 9: platform is it associated with? Is it a twenty two

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Speaker 9: have no idea. And also one more thing, Nancy, is

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Speaker 9: that we don't have any indication that a shellcasing, the

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Speaker 9: spent shellcasing was recovered, and that could be a big clue.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, lots of lots of evidence recovered out there,

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Speaker 9: not to mention the clothing. And there's still more analysis

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Speaker 1: A lot of analysis. And back to you.

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Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum joining US, founder director Cold Case Research Institute.

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Speaker 2: You can find her at Coldcasecrimes dot org, hit podcast

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Speaker 2: Zone seven and forensics expert.

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Speaker 1: Cheryl.

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Speaker 2: I've been pouring over this autopsy report. They didn't give

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Speaker 2: us much, but they gave me enough. Just hold on,

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Speaker 2: two and two still equals four?

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Speaker 1: Right? Or is everything completely upside down?

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Speaker 2: Because didn't Barry morph you say he was using an

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Speaker 2: animal trank gun at the time of her death.

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Speaker 8: Correct, around the time she went missing. Correct, And Nancy,

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Speaker 8: here's the thing. They're not giving us a lot. That's

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Speaker 8: the right call. They're not going to tell us the caliber.

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Speaker 8: They're not going to tell us exactly the shape and

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Speaker 8: condition of that projectile.

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Speaker 7: There was also one found.

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Speaker 8: In the bedroom, on her side of the bed, on

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Speaker 8: the So do those two projectiles match.

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Speaker 7: They're not going to disclose that yet.

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Speaker 8: They're playing it close to the vest, which is what

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Speaker 8: they should do, so that when they go.

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Speaker 2: Hey, can everybody, can we just agree right now to

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Speaker 2: stop saying projectile? Okay, okay. If you're talking about a bullet,

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Speaker 2: say bullet. You're talking about a shell, say shell. If

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Speaker 2: you're talking about a trunk, leftovers of a trunk, say it. Okay,

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Speaker 2: now rephrase that and regular people talk. Cheryl, this goes

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Speaker 2: for you too, Joe Scott Morgan, Go ahead, Cheryl.

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Speaker 8: So there's two bullets, one that was found with her

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Speaker 8: We don't know if they match. And again, they shouldn't

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Speaker 8: tell us that yet. They've got people to interview. So

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Speaker 8: when they go and they say, hey, we found a bullet.

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Speaker 8: Is the person going to say, was it a twenty two?

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Speaker 8: And again go back to Barry's original statement when he

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Speaker 8: we found her bike down this ravine. The first thing

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Speaker 8: he says was you think a mountain lion got her.

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Speaker 8: He's the one that keep referring to large animals. He's

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's just an unbelievable story.

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, Cheryl McCollum. Listen, crash.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything really, but like people.

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Speaker 3: I'm not like an extra tractor or something, you know.

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Speaker 1: A mountain lion, my rear end mountain lion. You know.

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Speaker 2: I could watch that bodycam video all day long and

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Speaker 2: then some Barry morphew, Suzanne's husband, jumps up and says

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Speaker 2: a mountain lion puts that out there. Now, just one

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Speaker 2: quick review, Joe Scott Morgan, tell me again about the

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Speaker 2: animal tranquilizer evidence found in Susanne's home. What was found?

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Speaker 1: Of course, this may be after a cleanup, but again

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Speaker 1: Barry Moore few is not a suspect and he has

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Speaker 1: not been named again for murder. Okay, tell me, Joe Scott.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, what we're thinking about here, Nancy, is this is

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Speaker 9: a very lethal cocktail. And that's the way I like

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Speaker 9: to frame it this Bam. I think it's referred to

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Speaker 9: as this deer tranquilizer essentially that's being used. You've got

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Speaker 9: three components here, Nancy, and you'd mentioned him off the top,

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Speaker 9: and if you'll just permit me, I'll go through them

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Speaker 9: very very quickly. With the beutrophenol, that's actually an opiate

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Speaker 9: this meta midian, which is actually a precursor to anesthesia Nancy.

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Speaker 9: a combination of three here, and to me, this speaks volumes.

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Speaker 9: Go ahead, yeah, and literally where they took this from

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Speaker 12: Inside the Morphew residents, investigators find empty darts, a needle

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Speaker 13: Prosecutors theorize Barry Morphew kills Suzanne Morphew after he gets

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Speaker 2: Joining me as a special guest, Tish Leway, close friend

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Speaker 1: What went through your mind?

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I was thinking that that's how it was going

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Speaker 1: Tish got a question for you.

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Speaker 2: Again, very more Few was charged in Suzanne's murder.

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Speaker 1: Those charges were dropped.

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Speaker 2: He is at this moment no longer a suspect, no

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Speaker 2: As of right now tonight, Barry Moore Few is not

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Speaker 1: What's your theory of, as you say, how it went down.

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Speaker 3: This is what I've always said, I think he arrived

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Speaker 3: She was in the backyard, may have saw her on

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Speaker 3: all that pinging was, you know, her running and him

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Speaker 3: chasing her. I think she ran up to Mallory's room

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Speaker 1: I think it was just in a.

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Speaker 1: In the dryer.

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Speaker 3: I mean, why would they find Mallory's sheets in the

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Speaker 2: You know, that's a really good pointsh Leeway.

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Speaker 1: Friend of Suzanne Morpheus, because I have certain.

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Speaker 2: Sheets that I put on Lucy's bed because they match

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Speaker 1: So that's a really good point.

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Speaker 2: Why would the adult daughter Mallory's sheets nobody else's. It's

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Speaker 2: not like it was a cleaning day for Suzanne Morphew.

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Speaker 2: Why would her sheets alone be and the washer dryer.

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Speaker 2: I haven't heard a single soul bring that up.

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Speaker 2: Now you know what else would be interesting to find out, Tish,

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Speaker 1: But you say it was they were mallory sheets, right.

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that's what was said. But that's been

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Speaker 1: I think she passed on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Yes, when you say that he came home to whom

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Speaker 3: When Barry came home?

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Speaker 1: Did you know that Susanne Moorephew?

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Speaker 2: Did you ever get information Suzanne Moorephew had gone to

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Speaker 1: So another lady in the group told you she had

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Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, I know the lady. I'm not going to

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Speaker 8: Two.

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Speaker 1: Chris, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Chris is the director at the Cold Case Foundation, former

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Speaker 2: Chris, thank you for joining us again with this very

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Speaker 2: disturbing update on Susanne Morphew's autopsy results.

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Speaker 1: There's so much to glean.

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Speaker 2: From the three pages that we have obtained, and hey,

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Speaker 1: You don't normally see that.

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Speaker 2: Do You just got five different medical professional weigh in

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Speaker 2: Man, they did it. I'll hold on four pages. Four

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Speaker 2: But they had to bring in a forensic dentist. I

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Speaker 2: I want it again, barrymoreph you is not a suspect.

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Speaker 1: So Chris mcdonnaugh add it up for me. Well, there's a.

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Speaker 11: Couple of really interesting things going on here, Nancy. One

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Speaker 10: I want to give you a little brief recap of

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Speaker 10: But unfortunately we haven't found Suzanne yet, and as I

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Speaker 2: You were hearing the Chaffy County Sheriff Cheryl McCollum. Do

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Speaker 1: We gonna ever find Susanne Nancy.

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Speaker 8: For everybody to understand, you take an airplane to Colorado,

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Speaker 2: You know what, Let me just stop you right there.

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Speaker 2: How is everybody on this panel so calm? There are

436
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 2: way too many coincidences for me. Okay, number one, he

437
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: happened he Bury Moore few happens to conjure up.

438
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: And out of town. Let me see the guests, please.

439
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 2: An out of town trip the morning on Mother's Day

440
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: that Susanne moorefew goes missing, claiming he last saw her

441
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: at early early in the morning asleep in bed.

442
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: Okay, leaving on Mother's Day.

443
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 5: None of his daughters are also gone, right, thank you,

444
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 5: Lauren Sharf.

445
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 2: The one time the daughters are away camping, Nobody even

446
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 2: she's missing until they trying to call her on Mother's Day.

447
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 2: So she's talking to her boyfriend on the phone. Oh,

448
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 2: which reminds me to Tish Lee. Wait, did you you're

449
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 2: a stylist? Did you do the hair of Bary Morphy's girlfriend?

450
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 3: No, but I did meet her in October of twenty

451
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 3: twenty when she came in to start tanning in the

452
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 3: salon that I had worked at. Her and actually Macy

453
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 3: and Mallory both they all came in about a week

454
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 3: within each other. It was yeah, it was very bizarre.

455
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: They were getting ready to go on that trip in

456
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 3: January to Mexico.

457
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: Okay, well, white, white, white.

458
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 2: October twenty twenty, and Suzanne had gone missing May twenty twenty.

459
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: Is that right? Is that what you said?

460
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: She went missing maya, twenty twenty. But the girlfriend came

461
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 3: into the tanning salon to start tanning in October of

462
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, which was right about a week to two

463
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 3: weeks after Mallory and Macy had started coming into tan again,

464
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 3: and they were getting ready to go to Mexico for

465
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 3: their annual trip that they I guess they went to

466
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 3: every year, is my understanding.

467
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: Did the girlfriend go on the trip? I'm not sure.

468
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 3: It was a weird coincidence that she came in right

469
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 3: after they started tanning.

470
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: I have never met her before.

471
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 2: I'm concerned about another coincidence, and that is, in six

472
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: months after Susanna is still missing, body not found, he's

473
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 2: already got a girlfriend.

474
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: That's a yes. Now did he already have a girlfriend

475
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: to your knowledge? Within six years? She said that.

476
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 3: So when I first met her, we had kind of

477
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 3: heard this name that was out there. So when she

478
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 3: came into the tanning salon, we know exactly who she was.

479
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 3: The first couple time she came in, she didn't really

480
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 3: talk much about anything.

481
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: Well, let me just cut the chase for you. Was

482
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: she wearing some of Suzanne's jewelry?

483
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it was seen that it looked like her.

484
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: Don't need to say anything else.

485
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that said as I was saying earlier, How

486
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: is everybody on the panel so calm? With all the coincidences?

487
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: You have him coming home. She's on the phone with

488
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 2: her boyfriend. She says to the friend, Oh, my.

489
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: Stars, Barry's here, gotta go bam. She goes missing.

490
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 2: He has a hastily thrown together work trip out of

491
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: town on Mother's Day. Again, my rear end leaving for

492
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: a hastily throw together work trip out of town on

493
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: Mother's Day. He calls back, but when he can't get

494
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: her on the phone, when the daughters can't find her,

495
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: and has somebody else.

496
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: Call nine one pint one.

497
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: She's full of animal trink and oh yeah, right before

498
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: she went missing, I was shooting an animal trank gun

499
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: darts and they were actually found in the home. And

500
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 2: there's a bullet by your bed. How did that get there?

501
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: The easter bunny just throws it by your bed. What

502
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: the woman's bones are scattered?

503
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: She was murdered.

504
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: I mean, help me out, people, am I the only

505
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 2: one seeing all these coincidences.

506
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 11: Who was that?

507
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: Is that jump in for peace? Christmas?

508
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 3: Nancy?

509
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 11: I mean, think about it, right, I mean, you're right

510
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 11: on target here. I mean, what a coincidence that this

511
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 11: guy used to own a deer farm and he used

512
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 11: to harvest deer antlers by utilizing the same exact chemicals

513
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 11: that are found inside of her body. And to your

514
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 11: what you said a moment ago a month before, when

515
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 11: he's asked by the FBI, hey, have you ever used

516
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 11: this stuff? He says, oh, yeah, all the time. I'm

517
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 11: very proficient in it, to the point where he tells

518
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 11: him even a little bit deeper of how he does it.

519
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 11: And that's why it's really interesting. Does he hit her

520
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 11: with a dart hypothetically that night, you know, the day

521
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 11: she disappeared, and then now that he has that part

522
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 11: from her cancer treatments on her body, does he utilize

523
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 11: that as a mechanism to go even further with his plot?

524
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 11: If he's the guy, right, and so I'm with you

525
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 11: on this one hundred percent, it is not lining up

526
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 11: for it.

527
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: I've got more.

528
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: I've got more, and I welcome everybody on this panel.

529
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: If you have a thought put it out there.

530
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: Joe Scott Morgan is uncharacteristically quiet right now, But what

531
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: about this his self? A thank you, Jackie. His cell

532
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 2: phone pings where her helmet is found far far away. Oh,

533
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: I guess the mountain lion threw it out there where

534
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: he happened to be looking for. What was he looking

535
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: at deer that morning on his haytill he thrown together

536
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: out of townshrip? His cell phone pings right there. And

537
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: let me remind everybody, he's the one, Barry morriphu who

538
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: is not a suspect.

539
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: He is the.

540
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: One at the very beginning. He is the one that says, hey, neighbor,

541
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: can you go see if her mountain bike's there? Maybe

542
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: she went.

543
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: For a ride.

544
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: He might as well have said maybe a mountain lion

545
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: dragged her off. He's the one that introduces the whole

546
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: mountain bike ride theory out there, that's where it came from.

547
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: I mean, Cheryl McCollum, what do I have to do?

548
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 8: Hit you over the head, Nancy, I've got more for you.

549
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 8: And this is the thing that has bugged me from

550
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 8: day one. They released a video where he is walking

551
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 8: law enforcement through the home. They say to him, Hey,

552
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 8: we need some clothing, maybe for tracking dogs or whatever.

553
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 7: He opens the door and lets them in. This is the.

554
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 8: First time he is entering the home since she goes missing.

555
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 8: He ain't looking around for nothing. He's not calling her name.

556
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 8: He doesn't say hey, in case she got hurt on

557
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 8: the bike, there was some horrible accident. Maybe she's upstairs.

558
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 8: There's a drinking glass on the counter. He doesn't refer

559
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 8: to it. He doesn't talk about it. He's not checking anything.

560
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 8: Let me tell you something, Nancy. If you were to

561
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 8: be missing and I go to your house and I

562
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 8: noticed the guinea pigs have not had their cage cleaned,

563
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 8: something happened to you before six point thirty in the morning.

564
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 7: The next thing I'm going to look for is fat boy.

565
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 7: Has he been out? Is he and his crate still asleep?

566
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 8: Something happened to you, And even I can pinpoint him.

567
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 7: So this to me was critical.

568
00:33:43,600 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 6: If you watch him.

569
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 7: That maybe since you get that up to the road

570
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 7: and then take the seal on her, call the husband.

571
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 11: Kind of bikes he had.

572
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 3: Slightly chippy money particulus.

573
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 11: Can you try to call the husband and see what

574
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 11: type of fights she has?

575
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 2: Body cam footage of the deputies actually finding Susanne Morphew's

576
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: bike out in the wilderness some distance away. How far

577
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: away was it, Joe Scott Morgan that her helmet was found,

578
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: and it is very Morphew not to suspect the husband

579
00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: that started the whole line of investigation into the bike.

580
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 2: How far away was her helmet found? Do you recall,

581
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: Joe Scott, Yeah.

582
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 9: We're looking at about a mile essentially. So how you know,

583
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 9: when you think about working and I came at this,

584
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 9: Nancy initially as yeah, it could be a you know,

585
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 9: a bicycle is struck by a vehicle. I've worked a

586
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 9: lot of those cases over over my career. But if

587
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 9: that's the case, how does the how does the helmet

588
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 9: wind up so far away from this bicycle? And also

589
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 9: how's the helmet off of the body. These things are

590
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 9: meant to protect the head and they're strapped onto the head.

591
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 9: So there are big, big questions here. And one point further,

592
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 9: I've seen big cat attacks from all over the world

593
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 9: as in depth investigation seminars, I've been to this sort

594
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 9: of thing. You know what. The one thing that really

595
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 9: stands out to me about this is that when you

596
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 9: have a big cat attack, you'll have drag marks. But

597
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 9: you know what else you got, You got blood trails,

598
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 9: because the way a cat attacks is they dig those

599
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 9: teeth in and they rip and then they carry off,

600
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 9: so you will have evidence of that. The fact that

601
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 9: he says this from Jump Street has always been puzzling

602
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 9: to me because this is a typical of what a

603
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 9: mountain lion would do. Generally you have to go through

604
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 9: under an outcropping or something. They always attack from the rear,

605
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 9: and there's nothing like this. You're going to tell me

606
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 9: that a mountain lion actually scurried up a bank and

607
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 9: waited for a bike.

608
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 5: There was no sign of a struggle either or even

609
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 5: a nothing.

610
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 9: I know that at all.

611
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 5: Initial reports that it seemed stage at least what detectives said.

612
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 5: So like what you were saying, there was no blood

613
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 5: anywhere anything as far as broken limbs of trees and

614
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 5: things like that, that wasn't the case in this.

615
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: Bike.

616
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 2: And you know what's interesting about that location. To Cheryl McCollum,

617
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: you and I stood at the foot of that embankment

618
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: and we're looking up just the way that picture is

619
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: and try to imagine how her bike landed there. And

620
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: we looked and looked and looked, no damage to the

621
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: bike at all. The cell phone data in this case

622
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: will become very very critical of the case ever goes

623
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: to trial. Lauren Sharff, joining US former reporter and journalist

624
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 2: at Lauren Sharf TV. Lauren very quickly in a nutshell,

625
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: the cell phone data is very disturbing, explained.

626
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 5: When he arrived at home, his cell phone pinged around

627
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 5: the house pretty sporadically and pretty quickly. His attorneys claim

628
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 5: that there's no way he could have gone through the

629
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 5: walls like that, But there's also a like a garage

630
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 5: underway where people can walk underneath.

631
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 1: What does it tell you, Joe Scott?

632
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 9: You know, look, these things are not as exacting as

633
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 9: the defense would like to, you know present. And this idea,

634
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 9: you know Lauren just mentioned with him walking through walls

635
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 9: and this sort of thing, that's absolutely ludicrous. You've already

636
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 9: got to sing narrow down. You know, he's moving through

637
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 9: the house and he's doing it quickly. So if they

638
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 9: want exactitude here, I don't know what to tell them

639
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 9: because you're not going to get much tighter than it

640
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 9: is right now.

641
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 1: Tis Leeway.

642
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: Susanne Morphy's a friend, what do you make of the

643
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: theory as shown by the cell phone data, that she

644
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: was being chased through the home with the Trent gun.

645
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just what I've always believed. When we

646
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 3: went to court and saw that data, I always thought

647
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 3: that he came home and that's what she was running

648
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 3: from him, to get away from him.

649
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 8: Cheryl McCollum jump in the cell phone shows he's running

650
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 8: zigzag all over the yard in the house.

651
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 7: He claims he was hunting chipmunks.

652
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 8: If anybody has ever seen a little chipmunk run, First

653
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 8: of all, they're tiny, they dart and then they had

654
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 8: they have escape routes all the time. He's also running,

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Speaker 8: he must be a hell of a shot. No way

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Speaker 8: that's possible. It's not even large.

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Speaker 1: I've Chrispin done what about it?

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Speaker 11: Well, you know it's interesting in the autopsive report, right,

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Speaker 11: and I agree with what Doc and Cheryl and everybody

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Speaker 11: have sent here on this panel that you know he

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Speaker 11: he's out, you know, allegedly hunting these chipmunks. But here's

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Speaker 11: a problem that he has. At the dump site where

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Speaker 11: Suzanne has found there are human and non human bones.

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Speaker 11: I've asked myself if he has this pre incident behavior

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Speaker 11: of staging, even as this is an example of that,

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Speaker 11: what did he stage at the dump site and the

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Speaker 11: burial site? And now we see these non human bones

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Speaker 11: that are mentioned in the autopsic report. And my initial

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Speaker 11: thought process was, and I could be, you know, totally

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Speaker 11: wrong here, but you know, he's a hunter, and if

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Speaker 11: you're going to bury a human being, and you know

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Speaker 11: that animals are going to come to that gravesite at

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Speaker 11: some port, some point, and I've had many sites like

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Speaker 11: others where they're going to dig up that body, Well

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Speaker 11: why not place a carcass over the top of that body?

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Speaker 11: And now those animals have a food source and at

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Speaker 11: some point they're going to lose interest in that grave site,

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Speaker 11: and or if it was discovered by a human, they'll go, oh, well,

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Speaker 11: that's just a carcass over there, that's not a problem.

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Speaker 11: So I think that could be a very interesting piece

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Speaker 11: of this puzzle as it unfolds.

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Speaker 2: Lauren Sharoff joining us on investigative journalist on the case.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it true that very more for you not? A

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Speaker 2: suspect claimed that he had out all of his animal

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Speaker 2: trank peraphernalia and then threw it away right before Suzanne

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Speaker 2: went missing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, in April of twenty twenty one, when he's asked

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Speaker 5: by investigators about the tranquilizer chemicals, he said he typically

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Speaker 5: keeps him on his workbench in the garage and that

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Speaker 5: he might have thrown them away during his trip to

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Speaker 5: Broomfield the same weekend that Suzanne disappeared. And going back

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Speaker 5: to Chris McDonough's point about carcasses and things like that,

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Speaker 5: I've heard from a lot of people in town in

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Speaker 5: Moffatt and Swatch County that that area is a dumping

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Speaker 5: ground for such animals like he was describing.

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Speaker 2: I also find it very curious that a thirty three

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Speaker 2: year wildlife officer expert Renzo del Piccolo, who retired from

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Speaker 2: Colorado Parks and Wildlife, insists that tranquilizers are not used

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Speaker 2: to hunt animals. They're only used by wildlife officials. Hunting

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Speaker 2: with tranquilizers is ill legal. Let's stop and remember American

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Speaker 2: hero Captain Benjamin Maulton just twenty seven, died in a

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Speaker 2: helicopter crash with four other marines feb seven, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: He obtained the Sharpshooter Award the National Defense Service Medal.

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Speaker 2: He graduated second in his class from the Officer Candidate

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Speaker 2: School in the Navy. He leaves behind dog Buck, sisters

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Speaker 2: Fustine and Maxine, and loving parents Robin and Steve. American

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Speaker 2: hero Captain Benjamin Malton. Thank you to our guests, but

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Speaker 2: especially to you for being with us tonight. Nancy Gray

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Speaker 2: signing off, see you tomorrow night six and nine o'clock

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Speaker 2: sharp Eastern, and until then, good night for it