1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,439 Speaker 1: This is the EDS with Eddie Judge and Edwin Adoyavin. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the EDS. 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 3: Our interview with Kilee Watson, the fiance of Bo's saint 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 3: John from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills continues, did you 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 3: know who she was? Like she was on the TV 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 3: show when you met her? Through text? Or did you 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 3: find that out? 8 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: So here's the thing, when she when we met, she 9 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: was not on the Real Housewives. Yet I met three 10 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: months prior to her being approached to be on the show. Okay, 11 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: so that's a great thing because you know how these 12 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: comments are, Oh girl, you know, be giving his passages 13 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: only with you because of. 14 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 2: You know, he wants to die again. 15 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: I'm like, that is absolutely false. Right, So thankfully we 16 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: met before she was actually asked to be on the show. 17 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: So our dating has been really in the public eye 18 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: from from pretty much the start, because only about three 19 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: months prior to her being asked to be on the show, 20 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: going through the entire process right and being selected, we 21 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: had some serious talks about what that could mean and 22 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: what that would look like. And so that being the case, 23 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: I'll go back to just you know, how we met 24 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: our first date. So we talked for about three three 25 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: weeks via text. You know, we used to FaceTime each other, 26 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: send video messages. And then finally it got to the 27 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: point where I knew that if we didn't go to 28 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: dinner that day or that that same week, then we 29 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: all we both be in the friends alle forever. And 30 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: so finally I decided to drive up his raining because, 31 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: you know, bos, but she's extremely busy. I'm extremely busy. 32 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: I'm in San Diego, she's in Los Angeles, right and 33 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: so that's already going to be a challenge in itself, 34 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: and we continue to have to push days, push attempts 35 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: to try and meet up. And I knew it got 36 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: to that point where okay, we can only be pinpals 37 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: or talking buddies for so long before it it would 38 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: just dwindle down. So I drove up in the rain 39 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: to meet her two and a half hours, I mean 40 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: set up a restaurant at the Ritz Carlton. We met 41 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: at the Ritz Carlton Marina del Ray. And the reason 42 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: I did that was because I didn't want her to 43 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: have to run across the park a lot in some rain. 44 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: I didn't want to have to get out in the rain, 45 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: So I figured every hotel has valet parking and it's 46 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: usually covered and nice restaurant within this, so I chose 47 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: that and then from there, you know, we just continued 48 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: talking to you guys, and we hit it off really well. 49 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: Did a second date, and then third date flew to 50 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: Ghana and that was a third date in Ghana, Africa. Ghana. 51 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 4: Wow. 52 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: Rights. 53 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like, hey, let's go on a third date. 54 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 3: And she says, I'm going to Ghana and then you 55 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 3: said I'm coming with you, right, yeah, you know exactly. 56 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: And you know there's some hesitation because me being a 57 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: big traveler. I'm a very big traveler, so I've travel 58 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: solo been I think I hit fit Country fifty one, wow. 59 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: And I mean these are exotic places, so I have 60 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: no no reservation about traveling, traveling solo and relationship. So 61 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: I just figured, like, hey, if it doesn't work out, 62 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: I'm in Ghana, taking off a place. I didn't see 63 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: what the big thing was I was asking. I said, wow, 64 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: you don't mind if I meet your daughter or meet 65 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: your friends, you know, I mean that's pretty big family there, 66 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: and she wanted me to come. 67 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 3: When did you feel the chemistry, I mean, obviously just 68 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 3: looking through a computer or Instagram is there's no chemistry, 69 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 3: but there's attraction. And obviously speaking to somebody when you 70 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 3: when you guys speak the same language and talk to 71 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 3: and enjoy the same things, that's that helps as well. 72 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 3: But when you're next to a person and you exchange energy, 73 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 3: that's when the chemistry happens. 74 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: When did that happen for you? 75 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: I would say after the first date. Yeah, yeah, after 76 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: the first date. But I didn't know that I wanted 77 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: to marry her until maybe about month eight nine that 78 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: I thought that, like, okay, you know, this could go on, 79 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: we could further with this. I think it was when 80 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: I remember there was a point she's she's got a 81 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: big heart, and she's so considerate of others, right, and 82 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: so it was when I realized her love extends beyond me, 83 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: you know, my mother, my siblings, you know, she'd reach 84 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: out and send them nice messages. And I remember she 85 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: was sitting on a plane on her way to New 86 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: York for I forgot what it was, but business. She's 87 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: always got things to do and appearances to may. And 88 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 1: before the plane took off, she said, I only have 89 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: enough time. I barely have enough time. Sorry, to ordered 90 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: flowers for your mother. So she was sitting on her 91 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: flight getting ready to take off, and she wanted to 92 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: send my mom a beautiful bouquet of flowers. And she 93 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: sent this beautiful bouquet flowers to my mom's address as 94 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: she was sitting on the plane before takeoff. She felt 95 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: like it was important. Yeah, you know, that's the kind 96 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: of woman I'm dating. And so I love it. Man, 97 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: I finally found my match because you know, we're essentially 98 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: guardians or protections of each other's hearts. Yeah, and we 99 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: trust one another with you know, some very intimate things. Yeah, yeah, 100 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: some insecurities. 101 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 3: I think this is a good time to go back 102 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 3: a few steps and ask, you know, you didn't mention it, 103 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 3: but were you married before? What was your dating like 104 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 3: life before you met her? So I think it takes 105 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 3: a long time to really find the right one, right. 106 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: Right, And I'm gonna say this, the only way to 107 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: find the right one is to get out there and 108 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: find the right one. Right. You've heard the cliche statement, Hey, 109 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna wait on. God send me my queen, right, 110 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: God send me my king if it's a woman, right, 111 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: And so I'm like, you know what, why not be 112 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: God halfway? You know, I'm gonna get out there. You 113 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: got to be active, you did you gotta be active, right, 114 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: And so it's not that I never dated anyone that 115 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: didn't have the qualities to be a wife, but it 116 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: just didn't feel like it. You know. It was just 117 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: always something that kept me from moving forward. And so 118 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: I recognize that along the way. And you know, although 119 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: I am fifty now, you know, recently engaged. I got 120 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: engaged back in August to my now fiance, and she 121 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: just had all of the qualities right. And so my 122 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: dating life was you know, I've had about eight or 123 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: nine series girlfriends, and I realized I was a relationship guy. 124 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: You know. I had a couple of two year relationships, 125 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: four and a half year relationships, you no, a couple 126 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: of years here in there, but they just weren't that 127 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: one right, And I wanted to read write, Yeah, my 128 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: goal was to get it right the first time around. 129 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: That's divorce. 130 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: That's the reason you didn't have children, right, And. 131 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: That's the reason I did not have children exactly because 132 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: I did want that partnership. And then earlier in life too, 133 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: again I say, they weren't they close calls, you know that, 134 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: but I wanted to be able to provide a sense 135 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: of security. I didn't want to have to be struggling 136 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: dad and not saying that. You know, there's never a 137 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: rioter wrong time, but for myself, I knew I wanted 138 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: to be able to provide a sense of security. 139 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, for my kid to be. 140 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: Able to be here provider and as in you know, 141 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: a young guy coming up, it's challenging, right because we're 142 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: trying to get our footing, uh in our careers and 143 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: just in life in general, with so much I would 144 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: say less mature. I'm not going to say they're not 145 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: more mature younger guys, but we're less mature at that age. 146 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: And it's going to help me be a better dad. 147 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: Now you see being this at my agent, we're going 148 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: through the process and it's it's it's it's a challenge, 149 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: you know, ed, So. 150 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 4: Just know it's a very I think it's very humble 151 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 4: of you, and it just again shows your your the 152 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 4: strength of character on your side, right, because you could 153 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 4: easily be like like a lot of dads out there 154 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 4: that are just having kids left and right. You know, 155 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 4: especially with with your athletic background, you could be like 156 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 4: this is my my superstar, you know, uh kind of 157 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 4: lived through them and stuff. So I think it's a 158 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 4: shows a lot of strength and character on your part 159 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 4: to just make sure that you save yourself for the 160 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 4: right time. You know. 161 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: Yeah I did. I did. And you know, I remember 162 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: having a conversation with my mom one day. She was like, no, 163 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: key leaving, you're gonna have kids. I don't know what 164 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna do because all your help is getting too 165 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: old and so yeah, so anyway, you guys, you know, 166 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: I got a lot of flat for being older, you know, dating, 167 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: and Boisman did as well for being older, me being 168 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: older dating, not having been married, not having had any kids. 169 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: On the show, I mean, the comments would tear them up. 170 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: Oh my god, Well that's. 171 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: That you're catching so much heat over that. 172 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 3: That's a great lead in into your experience. I really 173 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 3: want to know about your your initial experience on the show, 174 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 3: because I mean, we can talk about all the stupid 175 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 3: shit that happens on Instagram and and just media and general, 176 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: and there's a valuable lesson that teaches us, you know, 177 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 3: being public figures how to manage that, and it's not 178 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 3: an easy journey, but we'll get to that. 179 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 2: I want to know. 180 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 3: What where your head was that you and Bo's where 181 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 3: your heads were at when you were walking into this 182 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 3: reality TV show? Were you familiar with not just the franchise, 183 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 3: but particularly the Beverly Hills Housewife show? 184 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: So of course you know, never watched it, but you 185 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 1: always hear of the different franchises, right, real Housewives of 186 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: Beverley Hills, OC, Salt Lake City. So you know, just 187 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: growing up, you hear about all these things, and probably, 188 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: like most men, you really didn't tune in to the shows, right, 189 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: You just knew of them. You knew about the chaos, 190 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: knew about the just the rambunctiousness of everything and just 191 00:10:54,840 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: the arguments, fights, everything, right, and so never really hit 192 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: home for me. You know, it wasn't necessarily my thing. 193 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 3: What about the women, the women that you were dating, 194 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 3: were that any of them before bows? Were they they 195 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 3: were they watching the shows the franchises? 196 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: If they were, I probably wasn't sitting on the couch, 197 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: you know, really tuned in with them. Yeah, and so 198 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 1: I can't say I saw a whole lot of it. 199 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: I mean, let me think, what were some of the bigger, uh, 200 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: the more the I would say, were there not too 201 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: many shows bigger than Housewives? But I would say, like 202 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: the MTV type show was back in the day, right, 203 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: what was it Real house what was it? 204 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 4: Or it was. 205 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: Something like you know the Jersey Shores, you know, or 206 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: maybe like the Survivors. Okay, right, but you know, we 207 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: definitely have some good conversations prior to the show when 208 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: she got approached and she asked me, like what I 209 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: be interested in coming on with her because you know, 210 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: as a cast member, they want the women to either 211 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: have been married, currently married, or dating, right, And so 212 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: with that being the case, this was a new relationship. 213 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: And the difference between Bozma and a lot of her 214 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: other castmates is she had a big brand already and 215 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: there was a very niche following, right, And so my 216 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: concern was getting caught up in all the mess, right, 217 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: damaging her brand. But we talked and I said, you 218 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: know what, We're just gonna come on as ourselves. We're 219 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: going to be authentic. We're not going to try and 220 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: push narratives. We're not going to try and create something 221 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: to create called a storyline, right, And so the people 222 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: who show up on TV are the people we really 223 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: are really in real life. So we're having these conversations 224 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: for the first time in real life, and you're kind 225 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: of like, dang, you look left, you look right, it's 226 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: gonna look like you're just interested, right, or they might 227 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: take that look and apply it to some other comment, 228 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: you know, because it's all I mean, editing can either 229 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: be a best friendly worst enemy. Yeah right, yeah, so 230 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: we know that, and and. 231 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: I think that's that's their magics. 232 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: We have some real good conversations. And I'll tell you 233 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: what the producers told her, Go ahead, what were you 234 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: going to say? 235 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 2: Oh, I was just going to say. 236 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 3: That's I think one of the magic ones that BRABO has. 237 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 3: They're able to create a show out of just us 238 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 3: being ourselves, right, They're really skilled at that. And I 239 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 3: agree with you that they could edit you really well 240 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 3: or they could edit you really bad. But but yeah, 241 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 3: go ahead. I was I'm sure I cut you off. 242 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no words. And so what the producer said, 243 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: they were like, look, if you're gonna come onto the show, 244 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: of course, we really want you either dating somebody or 245 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: in the process of dating, or you gotta just be celibate, 246 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: you know, not into dating, right, And so I knew 247 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: for a fact, I said, okay, although I was a 248 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: little bit tentative on uh you know, with going on 249 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: the show. I know I knew as a guy, if 250 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: I let my woman who I'm dating go out with 251 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: somebody else, you know, just random days that don't mean anything, 252 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: then clearly it would they would take it as I'm 253 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: not interested, right, or he's not that serious about his woman, right, 254 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: because no, man, I'm gonna let another guy go out 255 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: with his woman that they're in dating at the time, right. Yeah, 256 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: So that was the case. I said, absolutely not. So 257 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: I said, hey, well I'll go on. I'll do it. 258 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: And that was essentially my my entrance onto the show. 259 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: And you learn real quick. It's like baptism by fire. 260 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: I mean the conversations, the comments, and we learned real quick. 261 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 4: So tell us kill you. Tell us about your first 262 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 4: scene having to meet everyone. Were you nervous, how did 263 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 4: you do? 264 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: And what did you think? Right? So, I think I 265 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: was blessed with the opportunity well in which okay, So 266 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: I think I was lucky in that there's never a 267 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: scene where I had to be around all of the 268 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: ladies at once. The only ladies I met in person 269 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: and you know, the only house watcher I met in 270 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: person where jet Erica and I think maybe Kathy first 271 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: time around. You know, so I didn't reed Sudden until 272 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: I think second season. Never got a chance to meet Garcel, 273 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: never got a chance to I didn't meet Jennifer I 274 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: think once, but I never had to be around them 275 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: all at once. That happened second season. Okay, at Cale's 276 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: big party, you know, that was one of the opening, 277 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: I think, opening episodes of the season. I think fifteen. 278 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: I think we're in fifteen. Yeah, Season fifteen were the 279 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: ladies welcoming, very welcoming. I've never had a problem with 280 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: any of the ladies. You know, they're all super cool. 281 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: They're very warm, they're very nice towards me, and I 282 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: learned to I'm not going to get into the mess 283 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: right the lady have their conversations. I'm gotta let the 284 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: ladies have their conversations, and I'm not going to interject. 285 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: I'm not going to try and problem solve or anything, 286 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: you know, not my lady asking something. You know, I'll 287 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: give short, quick answer, but that's it. I'm not going 288 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: to set myself up to man have missiles shot at me. 289 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 4: Mark Man have you. Did you get a chance to 290 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 4: meet Mauricio at all? I think he's the only husband left, right. 291 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 2: He's still on the show. 292 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: He makes his his appearances from time to time. So yes, 293 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: he was in a couple of the beginning episodes, and uh, 294 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: come to find out, I think he just I think, well, 295 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if it's a later episode 296 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: or what, but he just showed up in Salt Lake City. No, 297 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,479 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, not Salt Lake City. He was at a 298 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: party in Aspen at some event and there were other 299 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: housewives there. 300 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were filming that. Yeah, right, so. 301 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I saw that. But I think I 302 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: think the biggest or the hardest thing to navigate was 303 00:17:55,480 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: when Bowl said that we're having kid conversations and he 304 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: hasn't even said he loves me yet. Oh wow, you 305 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: haven't even said I love you? And that I got 306 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: so much heat from them, and she didn't too. I mean, 307 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: so we learned real quick. I mean, like, how are 308 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: you going to be having these conversations? I mean, these 309 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,719 Speaker 1: are all the comments. How are you gonna have these 310 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: kinds of conversations about kids? And you guys haven't even 311 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: said I love you yet, Like girl, he's not serious 312 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: about you. You see how he looked away, and you 313 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: guys brought that up. And so I was, you know, 314 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: I was biting my tongue and trying to figure out 315 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: ways to defend myself and to just be true to 316 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: who you are, right and to execute on your plan. 317 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: I knew I eventually prove everybody wrong. And the way 318 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 1: you prove people wrong is in your actions, right, And 319 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: so these are truthful actions. You know, my plan was married, 320 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: and I knew I had eventually squashed that. But I 321 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: will tell you what, in one of my early episodes 322 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: of season two, I definitely sure like it was a 323 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: pronounce I love you, So we could squash that. But 324 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: that was something was ongoing that we were battling all season, 325 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: all our first season and maybe in fifty not having 326 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: kids he's not saying, and you know, you gotta think 327 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: it might get under your woman's skin from time to time, 328 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: and some stuff might get skinned. Sometimes them saying she's 329 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: stupid for wanting to have a kid at this age. 330 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: Why do you do that for him? You know, really 331 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: doing that for him? Or are you doing it for yourself? 332 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: So we had all those types of conversations you know, 333 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: Eddie and Edwin and. 334 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 4: Tough. 335 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: You know, that's tough. We had to ask them real life. 336 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: I mean, we weren't really having for real conversations for 337 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: the first time. 338 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta give you a lot of credit for that, 339 00:19:54,840 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 3: because going into a TV show, I've seen more than 340 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 3: not people come onto this show and you know, just 341 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 3: do a little song and dance and you know, look 342 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 3: at me, look at me, and and create characters and 343 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 3: storylines that are just not who they are. You know, 344 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 3: they try to act for the camera. And I remember 345 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 3: my experience, it was very it had to be very authentic. 346 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 3: This is I don't know what I'm getting myself into, 347 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 3: but I'm in this for my relationship with this woman. 348 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 3: You know, this is authentic and this is why I'm 349 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 3: doing it. And it really turned out great. They made 350 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 3: me look like the Knight and shining armor and you know, 351 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 3: the Savior, and it was great. It wasn't until a 352 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 3: year or two that I learned what level of control 353 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 3: they have and how I have to be really careful 354 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 3: with what I say and what I do. 355 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 2: But it's it was a. 356 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 3: Fascinating experience to see how you could see who's being 357 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 3: authentic and I think that really shows on the camera 358 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 3: and the viewers and who's trying to be you know, 359 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 3: a clown on TV character. 360 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: Right clown? 361 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 3: He said, right, did you get a chance to meet 362 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 3: any of the men? 363 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 2: Were there any other men on this? 364 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 4: Oh? 365 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: So? So yeah, I didn't answer that question. So by 366 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: the time I came, I didn't have a single other 367 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: guy that I had met on the show. You know, 368 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: I think when I went to Bravo Khan was when 369 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: I first started meeting some of the other men and 370 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: other franchises like ment John Man, Joey probably Seth and 371 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: some of the other guys, and it was it was 372 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Ye know, it was a lot 373 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: of fun. 374 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 3: I'm bumming to me, I'm really bummed din't get to 375 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 3: meet I mean, but there's so many people there and 376 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 3: there's so much going on. 377 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 4: Now, how's your in vitro journey going? You know, Teddy 378 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 4: and I went through that and it was quite the 379 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 4: journey for us. How's it going for you? 380 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: So I'll just say this, we're still going through uh 381 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: the virtual process right now. Okay. I think on one 382 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: of our next episodes the results will be in and 383 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: it's going to be released to the world at that point. 384 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 4: Okay, so good. 385 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: Coming up in the next episode or in the next 386 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: one to two episodes realistically, but just put it this way, 387 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: we're still going through it. We're still hopeful, okay, and 388 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: we're doing what we need to do to try and 389 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 1: show up the best for our fertility clinic. And we're 390 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: going to the Novata Fertility uh clinic. We're working with 391 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: doctor Cindy dou She's very well known for their vitrol process. 392 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: And you know, I just thought it was gonna be 393 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: a one and done thing. Say that. I thought it 394 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: was going to be a one and but we now 395 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 1: have a story where it's like, wow, it takes multiple 396 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 1: rounds and it's not. 397 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 4: Yet, it's not cheap. I think we went through three 398 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 4: rounds and just for you know, the emotional roller coaster, 399 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 4: especially for the women. Yes, definitely tough, and we finally 400 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 4: got it right on the third on the third round. 401 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 4: So when you when you. 402 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: Guys went fantastical, congratulations on that. I was gonna did 403 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: you show up with your wife, you know, to her 404 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: appointments when you guys were going, did you have any failability? 405 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 4: I did show up. I'll tell you my biggest struggle 406 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 4: with it was just, you know, I grew up very 407 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 4: faith based, so there was a part of me that 408 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 4: felt like I was playing trying to play god with it, uh, 409 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 4: and really was because inside I really wanted a boy. Uh. 410 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 4: And that's one of the major what's one of the 411 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 4: big reasons I wanted to betro because I just I 412 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 4: felt like I was just gonna have nothing but women, which, 413 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,479 Speaker 4: by the way, was I was actually right about that 414 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 4: because when we were going through the in vitro process, 415 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 4: it was like ninety percent be male to males. So 416 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 4: she'd have fourteen eggs and you know, twelve of them, 417 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 4: twelve of them would be females and two would be boys. 418 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 4: And then we put the two boys in wouldn't make it. 419 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 4: Finally on the third one. Finally she had two miscarriage miscarriages, 420 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 4: and on the third one, I said, hey, if it 421 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 4: doesn't work, it's not worth it. It's fine, let's just 422 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 4: end it there and then and then it worked. So 423 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 4: but that was my biggest struggle. And then even when 424 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 4: Cruz was born, he didn't breathe for the first I mean, 425 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 4: I don't know, twenty seconds, thirty seconds, so he was 426 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 4: in the ICU for I want to say, three days. 427 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 4: So even then I felt like, oh am I getting 428 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 4: punished for this or I just yeah, you know, it's 429 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 4: as soon as he was born. You just had like 430 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 4: twenty doctors come in and take them and then they 431 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 4: created a circle around him so we couldn't see what 432 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 4: was going on. We couldn't hear any cries, We couldn't 433 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 4: hear anything, and it was probably one of the scariest, 434 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 4: the scariest moment in my life for sure. I just 435 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 4: remember being in the corner praying. Teddy was crying. It 436 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 4: was quite the scene. And but now he's as healthy 437 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 4: as can be and just glad to have him with me. 438 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: It's a blessing. 439 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 4: It's just a blessing. Yeah, it was. It was a journey. 440 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, Edwin is dove also, I. 441 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: V F no. 442 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 4: That was just our first natural. Okay, first natural because 443 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 4: the slate was not in be trouble right below it 444 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 4: forget what the term is, and that's what slate. That's 445 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 4: how slate was conceived. 446 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, Now, was Teddy in her forties or was 447 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: she in her thirties at that time? 448 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 4: She was in her thirties. However, when we had does. 449 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: She was forty idea, I mean for the high dea, 450 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: she was in her. 451 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 4: Late late thirties, I would say, okay, so yeah, cruise, yeah. 452 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: Probably imagine that. Yes, and forties. 453 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I really wanted to ask you that question, 454 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 3: like from why. What I understand growing up is, you know, 455 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 3: women kind of they they're past their prime at pushing 456 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 3: forty and having a kid actually becomes very risky. And 457 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 3: here you guys, are Is Bozeman in her fifties as well? 458 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: No, she's still in her forties. Okay, matter of fact, 459 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: we just got back from celebrating her forty ninth birthday. 460 00:26:54,720 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: Had okay past we did virginized, beautiful, beautiful birthday. But 461 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: we started the process I think when she was forty 462 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: seven forty eight, kind of on that custom forty seven 463 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: to forty eight, I think, and you know, we knew 464 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: it was going to be extremely high risk. And she's 465 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: I mean, and it's no secret to you know, the 466 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 1: world of people out there. Her two pregnancy, two pregnancies 467 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: that she has had have been very what's the word, 468 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:39,719 Speaker 1: They have been complicated? Very complicated. Yeah, So you know, 469 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: with that being the case, we know what we're up against. 470 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, we have faith and. 471 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: Speaking to our in virtual doctor, she believes she's healthy 472 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: enough and she's still showing signs that hey, she's good 473 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 1: to go. But there's still going to be an element 474 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: of creating them of course, and then go on full 475 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: turn right help, So you know, it's got to be 476 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: miracles every step of the way. 477 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 2: Basically, Yeah, but it's not impossible. 478 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: Not impossible right right now? We wish I'm sorry, and 479 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: if we have time. I didn't want to ask you 480 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: why no kids. I'm sure you've gotten that as well. 481 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 3: At fifty two, I have, yeah, very similar to you. 482 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 3: I've had many relationships. Interestingly enough, a lot of my 483 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 3: relationships the gal had a kid or two. One of 484 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 3: my first relationships when I was twenty one, I think, 485 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 3: just trying to figure out how to get my head 486 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 3: out of my ass. You know, I was in a 487 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 3: relationship with an older woman who had two children, and 488 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 3: she taught me a lot about the family unit and 489 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 3: all that because I didn't grow up with the family 490 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 3: unit experience, and she kind of opened up my eyes 491 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 3: to the possibility of potentially having a kid, not just 492 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 3: because I was in love with her, but just like 493 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 3: you know, I could provide. I could really maybe, you know, 494 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 3: make this work. But what stopped me ultimately is I 495 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 3: wasn't in my career. I wasn't even done with college, 496 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 3: and it just didn't make any sense, and it ultimately 497 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 3: ended up ending our relationship. But beyond that, I've always 498 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 3: had girlfriends who've had kids in life. 499 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 2: I had maybe two that didn't. 500 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 3: And that's how I kind of think to myself, like 501 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 3: maybe that prepped me for my relationship today, which I 502 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 3: can't imagine being without it. But for me, it's always 503 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 3: been I don't want to bring a child into this 504 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 3: life that when I can't afford to even take care 505 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 3: of myself, right, And that doesn't stop a lot of people, 506 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 3: you know, and they you know, I have a younger brother. 507 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 3: I think he's almost eleven, twelve years younger than me, 508 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 3: and he's got four kids and he's made it work. 509 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 3: You know, He's not making a ton of money, but 510 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 3: he's made money and he's and he's doing well with 511 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 3: four kids. So I probably could have had it. I 512 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 3: probably could have done it when I was younger, but 513 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 3: I was so focused on my business and making money 514 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 3: and being successful that it wasn't a big priority. And 515 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,719 Speaker 3: even when I met Tamra she was early forties. We 516 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 3: had we actually had a scene, I guess or an 517 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 3: episode where we were talking about maybe having the kids, 518 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 3: because she was like, hey, if you're gonna have a kid, 519 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 3: we gotta do it now. 520 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 2: Like, but we just met. 521 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 3: I can't I can't accelerate this, I can't skip go 522 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 3: and do all that. So we ended up doing a 523 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 3: scene where they had robot babies and they were they 524 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 3: were like very much like real babies. They cried on 525 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 3: point and you have to feed them and they, you know, 526 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 3: they respond to it. It was like the early AI 527 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 3: of computers and uh. And we laugh about this too 528 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 3: because after day three, you know, I was trying to 529 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 3: manage it, but I'm thinking, hell, no, I don't want 530 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 3: to do this. Yeah, and he had already had three 531 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 3: kids and the it was like one or two in 532 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 3: the morning and this robot baby, which we named Astro, 533 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 3: it was crying. 534 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 2: It wouldn't shut up. 535 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 3: And she took the baby, went downstairs, stuffed it under 536 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 3: a pillow, and came back to bed. And that was 537 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 3: my sign, Yeah, we're not having kids. 538 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: That was it. Yeah, Like I've always it's no right, 539 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: a wrong time, right against anybody who has kids chooses 540 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: to have them later in life or when they have them. 541 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, like with anything, the right time is when 542 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: it's the right time for you. And for me, it 543 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: was the right time to get married, it was the 544 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: right time to want to have a family, and then 545 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: the right time for all of these other opportunities to 546 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: start coming my way. You know. I think that's one 547 00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: of my key takeaways from all of this and what 548 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: I've ours at the own. 549 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a really really close friend that lives 550 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 3: in Florida and we've been friends forever and he's also, 551 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 3: you know, very entrepreneur. He's done very well in business. 552 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 3: He's in the auto sales business. Long story short. He 553 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 3: built a couple of dealerships, sold them to you know, 554 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 3: made a bunch of money, and then got bored and 555 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 3: went back into it. But in the interim he had 556 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 3: a child, and he had a child I think at 557 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 3: mid forties or late forties, and he said it was 558 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 3: the most amazing thing he's ever done. Actually close to 559 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 3: your age, more like close to fifty, and he made 560 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 3: a life decision that because in the auto business you're 561 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 3: always working, it's a tough industry. He decided to just 562 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 3: sell everything and live on whatever he made. He made 563 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 3: a lot of money, made a lot of very good decisions, investments, decisions, 564 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 3: And now he's spending ninety nine percent of his time 565 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 3: with this kid, and he's I think he's thirteen now, 566 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 3: and he's just enjoying life and spending you know, quality 567 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 3: time with him and just seeing him grow and developing him. 568 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 3: And I think that's the important part when it comes 569 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 3: to raising kids, is having that time available to connect 570 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 3: and be a part of that child's life as much 571 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 3: as time as possible as you can, because there's going 572 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 3: to be a time where they're going to be gone 573 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 3: and you're not going to have the time to you know, 574 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 3: influence them or share you know. 575 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 2: Your values and. 576 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 3: Goals and and you know, motivations, and you know, there's 577 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 3: there's so much to being a part of a child's 578 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 3: life then just popping a kid out and saying, hey, 579 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 3: I got seventeen kids. You know, that's that's not success, right. 580 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: To some guys it could be, So you can't discount that. 581 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Elon Mussel, Yeah, that's that's that's. 582 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: Wrong man too. 583 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, sentiment, you know, it's a they bring great balance. 584 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 4: So I'm excited for you, Killy, and I wishing you 585 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 4: the best with this journey. I can't wait to hear 586 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 4: the news and you definitely be watching, you know. 587 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, it's been fun you guys. I mean, uh, 588 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, I feel like, you know, you guys hopefully 589 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: got a chance to get to know me. 590 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 3: I've got a chance, yes, yeah, I mean that's the 591 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 3: goal with our podcast is really just to get to 592 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 3: know the real person, the real killie, because it's hard, 593 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 3: as you experienced to be. I mean, you can be 594 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 3: yourself all day long on TV. But yeah, I always 595 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 3: say I'm I'm boring for TV. That's why you don't 596 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 3: want to see me on TV. You know, I'm drama zero, 597 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 3: I'm negative drama. 598 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: Right that that is at least the goal. 599 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 2: But they always find a way. 600 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, one last question for you. 601 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 4: You gonna film the wedding on the show or do 602 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 4: you know? 603 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 1: Yes? Sure, we sure are, so, you sure are so. 604 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: August twenty first, we're gonna do the Ghana wedding, and 605 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: then November twenty first, we're going to do the Los 606 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: Angeles wedding. Okay, we're gonna try try, well, you know, production, 607 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: but yes, the plan is to capture both weddings. 608 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 4: Wow, I know right, I'll definitely be watching. 609 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's scary in its own just because you know, 610 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: it's it's got to be a production. 611 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 2: And yeah, you're gonna have. 612 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 1: Five hundred people at the l A wedding, that's. 613 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 2: That's oh my god, I know. 614 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: And it's going to be at least fifteen hundred at 615 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:46,760 Speaker 1: the Ghan wedding. Crazy fifteen hundred, yes, because the African 616 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: weddings are a lot bigger, you know, Yeah, so on 617 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: families coming, not just handpicked people from the family. 618 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 619 00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,320 Speaker 3: Wow, I'm definitely gonna watch that. Yeah, very I'm very 620 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,240 Speaker 3: excited about that. And I'm very excited for you say. 621 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: We've got some I mean, we've got a lot happening 622 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: this year between our fertility journey, our house shopping because 623 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: you know, I live in San Diego, she lives in 624 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, so we're getting ready. We've started that process. 625 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 2: Awesome, and two weddings and grad. 626 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: So it's just so much, you know, a lot of 627 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: big things on the list. And then right after there 628 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: we celebrate her fiftieth birthday and I'm like damn, am 629 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: I gonna have any money? 630 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 3: Well, I got to tell you something, Achille. It's just 631 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 3: every there's so much that we have in common, and even. 632 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 2: This journey for yourself. 633 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 3: When tamer and I got married, we got married, opened 634 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 3: the business, and moved in together the same year. So 635 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 3: I think it's the perfect combination to just kind of 636 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 3: throw you in the deep end to see if you 637 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 3: can swim or sink. 638 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, you know, and I'm a swimmer, so 639 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,240 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to sink. 640 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, And what I'm really trying to say is, you 641 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 3: know I I both my wife and I made it through, 642 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 3: you know, the most challenging year together with so much 643 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,399 Speaker 3: change that it just brought us closer together. So I'm 644 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 3: wishing the same thing for you, and you know, nothing 645 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 3: but good health and success. And I'm actually excited to 646 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 3: watch this. I don't watch the Housewive show, so I'm 647 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 3: definitely going to watch this. 648 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:29,280 Speaker 4: This is cool, Coo. If you're doing some shopping house shopping, 649 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:30,240 Speaker 4: come check out in Sino. 650 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, beautiful homes, her daughters and her junior 651 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: year of high school, and so you're trying to find 652 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: a place that's not too far away from her school, 653 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: so that it would be an easier commute for her. Yeah, 654 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 1: makes sense. That's the other thing where we're kind of 655 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,359 Speaker 1: stacked to get But look, I have no problem living 656 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: in the valley exactly. Yeah, not at all. 657 00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 2: Well, it's been really great getting to know you. 658 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 3: Really appreciate Yeah, I appreciate you taking the time to 659 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 3: come on. I know you're very busy and we always enjoy, 660 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 3: you know, getting to know the house husbands of the 661 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 3: Real Housewife franchise. 662 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 1: Okay, and and here's one other quick fact. This is 663 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: the first podcast I'm doing, so oh you took being 664 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,800 Speaker 1: the first guy that you guys, I guess her husband 665 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,399 Speaker 1: Hills Hills. 666 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, podcast, Well you did great. 667 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:29,919 Speaker 1: Yeah. 668 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 3: I can't wait to hear what our listeners have to say. 669 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 3: We have, we have a good group. 670 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 1: Saying I thought your show was fantastic as well. You guys, 671 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,320 Speaker 1: I really appreciate what you're doing. Thank you for having 672 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: me on, and you know, I really enjoyed the conversation. 673 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: And hopefully us I get to connect with you guys 674 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: in real life sometime either at the clinic, out of 675 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,720 Speaker 1: the clinic somewhere. 676 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 2: We will Yeah, definitely, definitely 677 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,240 Speaker 1: Now the level