WEBVTT - Timothée Chalamet / "Beautiful Boy" 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:17.000 M m m m. You're listening to playback a Variety 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:20.400 I Heart Radio podcast. I'm your host, Variety Awards editor 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:24.279 Chris Tapley. This week, OSCAR nominated actor Timothy Shallowm is 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:26.560 on the show here to discuss his work in the 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:29.640 new film Beautiful Boy. We dig into that and this 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:32.720 head spinning moment. Shallowm is enjoying a twenty two year 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:36.280 old star, fast on the rise, navigating his developing career, 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:39.360 and of course learning a lot along the way. So 0:00:39.440 --> 0:01:02.240 sit tight, this is playback. Yeah, we have a breakfast 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:06.959 clod More all right, So he's just gonna pop this 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:10.400 real fast and you can tell me what you had 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:14.520 for breakfast or something. Um this morning was what did 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:19.000 I have for someoneing scrambled eggs, baking him? Um, balking up, 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:21.240 bulking up. No, I'm not, but I was. I was 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:26.039 for I was for the King and uh and uh wow. 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:31.080 I literally don't look stress that camera right there almost anyway, 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:34.720 it's distracting. Yeah, no, no, but that's a good. How 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.120 are you doing? Pretty good? Man? I've always lived another 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:40.800 there or now no, well, thirteen years, it feels like always. No. 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:44.360 I'm from beck, South North Carolina. Actually we're getting hammered 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:49.040 right now, Charlotte. You from the hurricane. Oh sorry, college, No, 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:53.640 that's what they are, that's true, but no, yeah, it's uh, 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.040 the hurricane just just hit right now. Yeah, but the 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:58.680 last couple of days or it was like the middle 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:00.800 of the night. The I finally hit going really slow. 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:03.280 So that's the problem. It's a slow moving storm. But 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.560 I've got family on the east side. I hung out 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:08.240 on the west, on the west side of the state, 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:10.160 grew up over there. I went to phone school over there, 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.720 and so would you would you kind of school arts? Yes, 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:14.280 no way, really, I have a lot of friends who 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.000 go there. Lucas did. Yeah, Lucas went there for a year. 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.040 I think a friend of me, Andrew Manning, that went there. 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:22.480 It's actually not that cool here. It's fine, right, yeah, 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:25.360 I think it's fine. No, no no, no, sorry, I'm gonna 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:30.040 put my phone here. Okay, we're recording everybody. I'm here 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:34.480 with Timothy shallow May today, the star of Beautiful Boy, Uh, 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:37.200 the star of countless movies. It feels like lately you're everywhere. 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:40.160 Do you feel ubiquitous, by the way, do I feel whatsubiquitous? 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:42.800 Do you feel like you're everywhere. I don't know what 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:48.440 that word means. It means everywhere everywhere. Uh no, not 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:52.200 not not right this second, No, not yet. Anyway, it's 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:54.000 a good thing. It's you know, you know, especially at 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.120 the stage in your career. First of all, thank you 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:58.720 very much for coming on the show. I really appreciate 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:00.320 thank you for having me. I look through the uh 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:02.200 list of who's been on here, and there's a lot 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:05.480 of people I look up to. God. Yeah, had Greta 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:07.320 insertsch on here last year. That was a fun one. 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.440 I wanted to actually mention don't you probably don't remember this, 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:13.480 but we met actually on the set of Hostiles. Were 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:15.440 actually in the Santa Fe hotel you were staying and 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:17.600 you and John Majors came downstairs. You're about to go 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:19.040 out for the night. And I was there to do 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.520 a story like I was the journalist that was kind 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:24.600 of walking around on Christian No, it was on just 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.360 the production story on the movie. Oh my gosh, Wow, 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.520 I was there for a couple of days. Yeah. Um, 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:32.600 that was a crazy hotel or not crazy, but it 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.440 was interesting. It was interesting, it was nice, but um, 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:37.840 that was like pre Sundance called me by your name 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:42.920 that was. That was a great experiencing, a great project 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.560 to work on. Like I said, Christian was on it. 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:48.360 Christian always one of my favorite actors, so you know, 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.120 I dropped drop a line and seen sometimes just watching 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:53.880 him act. And I'm not kidding about that. People that 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:55.600 have actually seen the movie will go, but wait a second. 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.120 You only have like two speaking scenes in it, and 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:00.560 I'm here to say there were more, but they're just 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:03.400 not in the movie. Yes, Cooper is a body of mindself. 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:06.560 He's absolutely awesome. But I remember that Jonathan like we were. 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.640 We were like really tight on that thing because um, 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:15.280 because you kind of both played similar like inciliary roles 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:17.839 to Mr Baale. Did you see White Boy Rick? No? 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:21.520 I haven't, and I love career. I wept after my 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:27.159 White audition. Actually I wept after my White Boy Rick audition. Yeah, 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:31.960 it was only well know, I've been very upset after things, 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:33.719 but I've never wept after an audition. But that was 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:37.760 something where I came in like super charged up, and 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:40.600 they didn't want they weren't auditioning anybody in their twenties, 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:43.279 let alone actors, because you really wanted to find like 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:45.640 you think of seventy one which is Yhon's other movie 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:47.920 that I'm really crazy about too, And that wasn't Jack 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:49.839 O'Connell's first movie, but it was one of his first movies. 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:51.720 It wasn't his first. I don't know. I think Startup 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.160 might have been. Yeah, yeah, really've been mentalon yeah yeah, 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:57.400 um but yeah not so. I haven't seen an yet, 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:59.200 but I'm but I'm dynaste. I'm kinda has in it too, 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.600 and tell your right. Actually, actually I wanted to start 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:04.840 there with, you know, just your year last year. You 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:06.960 could take me through it because it was obviously like 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:09.640 it was a whirlwind year for you. You had called 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.600 me by your name, you had Ladybird, you had hostiles 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:14.839 as well, and you ended up with the Oscar nomination. 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.920 And you know, people don't realize that when you debut 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:20.320 a movie and sun Dance and you're still with it, 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:25.120 you know, thirteen fourteen months later promotion wise, essentially, like 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:27.240 you know, through the Oscar season. That's a huge haul 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.200 and this is the start of your career essentially. So 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.320 what was that year like for you looking at in 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.320 the hall in the sense of like just the just 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:37.440 the workout put the work and just the length of 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:40.120 time that you're with that, you're with a movie. Yeah, exactly. No, 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:43.560 that was the not irony any week, because that wouldn't 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:45.719 I feel like I'm playing negativeness to it, and it 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:51.080 really wasn't. But it was a it was an exercise 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:53.599 in keeping it fresh or certainly like when I was 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:57.600 talking about the movie, particularly because um, I remember a 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:00.000 friend of mine being a movie had I was really 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.120 league crazy about and like and telling him how much 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:07.640 it had affected me. And he wasn't in genuine that's 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:10.040 not a word, well whatever the opposite of genuine. He 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.880 wasn't in genuine in any way. Um, But he had 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.320 just heard it so many times that like I always 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:17.279 uh not that I heard so many times. But I 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:22.080 just remember that moment thinking, Okay, he's not purposefully rubbing 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.680 anyone in the negative way, but I that you know, 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.240 I wanted I never wanted anyone to think that. Um. 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.680 And to this day, like, there's so much gratitude for 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.400 that movie and for the for the experience of that movie, 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.000 for the fact that the movie exists almost in a vacuum, 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:37.720 but then the fact that a lot of people, and 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.000 especially like young people saw it and connected with it. 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.920 That's really that was that was really a dream come true. 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.240 And saw him going a little off topic here because 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:46.400 you said, what was I like to do, you know, 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.359 fourteen fifteen months? And the truth is, like, it was 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:51.600 all That's what I was saying at the time. It's 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.159 really how I feel about it now. It was all 0:06:54.320 --> 0:07:01.800 just uh so thrilling and so new and uh uh. 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:03.480 And I was with the Army and Luca, who I 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:09.080 knew very well, um that it it always simply felt 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.440 like a dream come true. And that's the thing. That's 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:13.320 kind of what I was saying last year, but I 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:19.880 wasn't being in genuine again. And but I will say 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:23.320 that's you know, we did our first interview I think 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:27.520 it was the Wall Street Journal with Felix and Steve Carrell, 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:30.440 Felix not going again for Beautiful Boy, and it was 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:37.720 really odd not knowing exactly how Army or Luca would 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:41.760 have answered the questions. Um. Obviously they were not literally 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:45.240 Army and Luca, but um, but it was all very 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:50.400 new and uh um. I think for Army and Luca 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:52.680 because they had been on other press runs before, and 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.640 certainly Army had been on like things like a Lone 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:59.360 Ranger press run or alf muncle these bigger things. I 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.480 think they were aware of how long it was last year, 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:06.680 but I'm realizing now, like, oh that wasn't that's not 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.760 your go around each time, you know, and especially in 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:11.400 the way the movie is received, because that's really a 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:14.160 UM I would hope that's really a special film. So 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:18.280 disingenuous might be the word you're looking for. The wow man, 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:22.280 that's like not a hard word to know. So did 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:25.600 you know? I did not know? You you googled your brain? 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:28.120 You're like, am I going to bring it out? Like 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:30.680 Lady Bird as well? You know, I wanted to talk 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.480 about Grettaly. That was her first solo stint as a director. 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.760 I'm just curious what you learned from director like Gretta. 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:38.480 You're gonna be working with her again on Little Women, 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:45.400 So I don't know. It's it's um got him horribly 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.439 rambley sometimes. So I tried for myself a little bit before. 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:55.679 But I know what I learned, not even you know, 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:57.720 maybe I would direct something some days, So I guess 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:00.319 it's not in the context of acting anyway. But her 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:04.040 confidence on the set of Ladybird, and that doesn't mean 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.400 an abrasive confidence, that doesn't mean like stepping on people's 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.439 toes or I mean it's a movie. She could she 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.800 could have done whatever she wanted. But um but I 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:17.920 mean like like she wanted to describe it. Yeah, she 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:20.080 knew et she she knew what she wanted. It's this 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:23.000 amazing thing I found with Luca and Felix who directed 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:25.400 Beautiful Boy as well, where they know exactly what they 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:29.080 want and yet they it's more about like putting you 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:32.000 on the pathway or or or illuminating the bounds for you, 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:33.520 whether it's a moment in a scene or what it 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.520 seems about, than it is like do this exactly, and 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:39.760 there's nothing wrong with that other way, but um um. 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:42.160 And certainly sometimes it has to come to bed where 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:44.440 where down to a line reading and director will be like, hey, 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:47.360 this is just how it has to be. But um 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:50.480 but it was really your confidence and and I guess 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.400 the way I would clarify as like confidence without like 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:55.520 an abrasive self assuredness really just like I'm here to 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.280 make my movie and I know exactly how I wanted 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:01.079 to go. And also all making a movie this is 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.839 a privilege, Like I lived the photos on seat of 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.120 Lady Bird. I'm not I'm not in the scene but 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.960 for prom where Gretta was in a prom dress herself 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:13.480 or I think when we were shooting, uh Jenna's character 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:17.360 played by Odeya rush Um or O'Day's character Jenna played 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:21.520 by Odea rush Um. Um we were shooting in that house, 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:23.319 you know scene where I'm reading the book outside I'm 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:27.880 smoking a cigarette. Um. I just remember because that house 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:31.120 really had a great mc mansion vibe to it. I smoke. 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:35.680 Gretta was going for like like wealth, but not with 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:40.760 specific not with not with specificity, um uh like the 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.440 joy and just like walking around that house with Gretta 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:47.720 or her confidence. And in addition to I guess and 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:51.040 I guess maybe that's why they're so palatable and compatible 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:55.840 to each other. Um like search and uh searchers confidence 0:10:55.880 --> 0:11:00.280 too is a similar like non abrasion and like, I 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.280 guess that's the best kind of confidence to be around. 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:06.560 It's like when people aren't like flaming you with it 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:14.480 and um and yeah, they were just so in sync 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:18.280 at all times. Um and not again not with like 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.320 not like we're so in sync, We're so confident this 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:23.280 movie is gonna take off. And but but rather like yeah, 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.199 we're telling the story I want to tell exactly. I 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:29.800 mean even um, I remember UM because I was still 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.079 shooting Hustles at that point. I think that's why I 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:34.280 started later, or it was just simply the manner of 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.959 the shooting schedule. But they shot three weeks of Lady 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:38.480 Burger before I even got to set it, before I 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:42.800 got to l A and and Sacramento shoot it and um, 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.000 and they basically had shot out Luca's head just u bit. 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:48.679 I remember getting set and literally like the first Dad 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.760 and Gretta being like, God, it's all going so well, 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:54.680 We're having such a good time, like ready for you 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:56.040 to keep it up kind of thing. I was like, 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:59.480 oh God, like this is super scary, and I went 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:02.240 and visited set. In that scene where Lauren mac hapf 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:04.760 says my mother was an abusive alcoholic, which I think 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:06.920 is one of the most moving lines and most moving 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:09.480 scenes of the movie, where Lederberg very valiantly says, like, 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.240 you don't have to be mad and mean to me 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:15.840 all the time. Her mother says, you know, you don't 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.840 understand my circumstance, or you don't understand what is you know, 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:20.880 your circumstances things difficult but it's not like what mine 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.520 with something like along those lines, and visited said I 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:25.240 was watching that. I like, I went back to the 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:29.240 hotel like an anxiety crisis. You know. I was like, oh, man, 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:31.840 I gotta I gotta make sure that I don't drop 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:34.880 the ball here. You did, all right, thank you. Let's 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.960 talk about Beautiful Boy, which is this year jam. You know, 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:41.240 this is based on two memoirs by Nick Cheff and 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:45.200 his father, and it's about Nick's uh, you know, struggle 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:49.480 with substance abuse and addiction, and uh, you know what 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:51.360 I what I first wanted to ask was I assume 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:55.480 you met Nick, and I'm curious what meeting him did 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:59.560 to unlock what you were doing to portray him absolutely well, 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:05.240 meeting him wasn't um being introduced to him for the 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:07.880 first time, because when I met him, I guess I 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:11.480 had read Beautiful Boy and Tweak already like four months 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:14.320 before that or something, and I had the role at 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:17.559 that point when I was already I don't know configuring 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:21.800 how I I was hoping to play it. And uh, 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:27.120 the thing that struck me was he is an extraordinary 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:32.760 spirit and a huge warmth of character, if that makes 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.880 any sense, And that's how he's described and beautiful boy 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:39.480 from the lens of David, his father. Um, And I 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:42.240 think maybe it's literally in David's writing, but it's an 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.760 assumption of the reader too. You might go, like any parent, 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.839 they may be project, the not project, but you we 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:52.000 we not we. I'm not a parent, but I I 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:55.160 assume that his parents, like you, see the best in 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:58.400 your kids. Right. But in meeting him, I really went, oh, wow, 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:02.240 this is really an incredible human being. And like, like 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:05.600 I said, the extraordinary spirit and the warmth of his 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:09.920 character and his wit and his his his quick way 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:16.840 you can see the machinery in his mind at pace. Um, 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:22.640 that was ah enlightening just just to meet him as 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.800 a person. And then as it relates to the film 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:28.880 and playing it, he immediately and hanging out with him 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:30.960 said something along the lines of, you know, this is 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.800 a representation of my family's life and story. I don't 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:39.480 expect this to be exactly what it was, and a 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.320 by the laws of reality it never could be because 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:48.000 we're not them. But um, but to hear that was like, man, um, 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:54.120 what a gift because it became about it became about 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:59.240 not doing anything that was disingenuous about about it was. 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.600 It was about not doing anything that'd be disingenuous to 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:04.280 him as a character. I think Steve felt the same 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:06.760 way as David and him as a human rather um 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:10.280 and uh and secondarily to the story and the relationships 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:14.360 within the story, but then all things mannerisms and the 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.760 way he speaks. It was understood that we weren't doing 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:20.600 a biopic. And then to take those two bounds per 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:26.160 se uh where the middle hope late after that was 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:31.520 in representing h and A universally relatable and that doesn't 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.920 mean like playing things up the middle, but rather just 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:41.040 being and just playing, um, this story out And I'm 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:42.360 not going to a little bit of rambler. I think 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:45.080 it's a subject you've probably you might bring up anyway, 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:48.880 But um, that's what's apparent to me now and seeing 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:54.200 having seen it a number of times, beautiful boy and um, 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:56.240 and in talking to people that I've seen it is 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:58.200 I know that I had the impression, and I think 0:15:58.240 --> 0:15:59.680 Steve at the impression. I think a lot of people 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:03.360 on the set at the impression that we were doing 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:06.200 it like, um, very real. And I know it's a 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:09.040 very cliche and actory thing to say but I didn't 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.120 know what I meant by that. And certainly I could 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:14.360 look at movies like Heaven Knows What and Christiane f 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.280 And and I could go, but wait a second, that's 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:20.640 like raw drug addiction. And I know we didn't. I 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.440 know we didn't top those movies. Nor was that our 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:28.280 ambition um in that regard and like raw depiction of 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:31.560 what that experience would be. But then it became clear 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.480 to me. If you have like Heaven Knows What on 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:36.800 one side of spectrum, and you have a movie like 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:39.120 Train Spotting on the other side of spectrum, one that 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.680 doesn't necessarily glorify but whatever treat you know, there's there's 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:44.960 quick cuts. Yeah, it's heightened. I don't even knows what. 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.880 Like I said, it's really raw. I think I stand 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.320 by that real thing because I think and I think 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:54.240 this is what um You know, audience has been having 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:56.720 a very positive reaction to it. But some it is 0:16:56.800 --> 0:17:02.840 a it is a A it's it's it is what 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:04.480 it is, what it is, it's about what it is. 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:08.000 And I guess that's my point, is like that's where 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:11.879 I feel we found Our realness is um um or, 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:17.040 our our authenticity is um in that we didn't tragify, 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.800 nor did we glorify. And that goes down to the 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:23.439 relapse structure of it where I think some audiences maybe go, 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.760 wait a second, this doesn't match a three part arc 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:31.479 or three part narrative um or or like other movies, 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:35.120 or like like especially movies on a bigger scale UM. 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:38.560 But I feel that's the point. That's the reality of addiction. 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:42.119 And and similar to the way Tweak is written Mick 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:45.840 Chef's book and UH in a distinctly present tense sense 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.440 where everything is moment to moment and there's no conception 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:50.960 of the future of the past, I think that's the 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:53.320 reality of the movie. Is like down to not really 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.560 foreshadowing things, which is slightly foreshoinding them. It's like, that's 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:58.960 the reality, or you know, I gonna be cavalier or anything. 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.159 I don't want to you got a turn, But that 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:03.320 seems to be the reality of what this thing is. 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.320 That actually speaks to what I was going to ask next, 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:07.680 which is you know, And I guess I should say, 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:09.440 you don't have to answer this because it's a personal question, 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:11.280 but I'm curious if there was anything personal in your 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:13.399 life that you drew on for this, I mean the 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:18.919 immediate context being a son and a family. Um. And 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:21.040 that's not a dodge because like first and foremost, I 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:25.199 feel like this movie is about family and uh. And 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:29.000 that's why I think audience members that aren't related to however, 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:31.159 don't have an experience related to this in any way, 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:33.920 can still tap into it because it's about what makes 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:37.160 us family members. It's about what makes us a father, 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:38.719 if we are a father and a family, or a 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:43.760 mother or a stepmother brought into a family dynamic, or 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:45.600 a son, what it means to be a son, what 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:48.600 it means to be a sibling. And these are universally 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:53.560 relatable questions and themes um uh that I'm presenting maybe 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:55.639 like not boring, but I'm just like listening them right now. 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:59.199 But truly, like, I really hope people see this movie because, 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:02.119 like I said, independent of addiction, that's this is some 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:05.959 of the strongest um themes around it. And then more 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:09.280 specifically to what you're alluding to, my experience in life 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:14.240 doesn't come close to Nick's. And yet I am twenty two. 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:20.000 I was born Um, I was gonna say I grew 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:22.679 up in New Rope, but that's actually irrelevant because the 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:25.560 drug crisis in this country right now, in particular the 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.479 opiate crisis. I need to be better researched as far 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:32.800 as like exact areas or demographics. But I know Staten Island, 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:36.200 for instance, in New York um in large part because 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:39.400 of the great health insurance of unions there, I don't 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:40.760 see in large part. But that's just what I've read 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.040 in an article somewhere um or that I hope is 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:47.440 legit and uh and uh and just across the country, 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:50.360 the easy access to opiates. Um. You know you read 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:52.960 it's not like you know, you don't get it on 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:55.280 a like a corner of the street somewhere. It's uh, 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:57.240 I've read somewhere too. It's like often family members or 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.720 family friends, like that's where it begins. And I don't 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:02.440 I don't want to make this, you know, it's so 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:06.879 it's associated. I mean. And also I really want to 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:08.399 be educational about this, not in the name of not 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:09.720 being born, but simply like I don't want to be 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:13.240 cavalier and acting like I'm the I would never have 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:14.960 any sort of Yeah, let me tweak it. Let me 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:17.480 just say, like, you know, just you as a craftsman, 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:19.560 as an as an artist. Is it easier for you 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:23.520 to personalize or is it easier to conjure what you're doing? 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:27.200 That's a really a great question. I feel like, um, 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:29.640 I think it's a fine line. I think like being 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:32.800 in drama school, you think of like Stanislavski or whatever, 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:35.760 and you get this impression like I must be of 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:39.680 one technique or one way of doing this, and I 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:44.760 think like I had this amazing freshman year a teacher 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:47.320 at my high school that was all about like, you know, 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:49.399 tearing yourself down and getting rid of bad habits and 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:51.359 when have you? And then this amazing self when your 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:54.000 teachers got Harry Shipman that actually got beamed into the 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:57.119 Occars last year you did like a short video and uh, 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:01.840 and he you know, he was all about truth as 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:04.960 well and breaking bad habits, not you know, not reverting 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:07.160 to tricks and you're acting. But he was also about 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:10.359 like making it live. And I really like that because 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:14.600 to me, I would take a bad movie or like 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:18.680 an insulting movie any day over a boring movie. And uh, 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:20.679 and I'm sorry I'm giving a long winded answer here, 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:23.520 but like as it relates to um, as you put it, 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:30.760 like ah, accessing parts of yourself or channeling or whatever, 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:34.320 or immersing into something else. I think I've I sit 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:37.320 somewhere in the middle with my biggest focus always being 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:42.080 that whatever my process is cannot become a distraction other 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:45.679 people on set because that would be um unprofessional, But 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:48.840 secondarily cannot be a distraction to yourself and to myself. 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:52.959 And truly I am not one of um the proponents 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:57.440 of like having to uh we've your flag of struggle 0:21:57.480 --> 0:21:59.440