WEBVTT - Episode 103: Batman 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:14.040 Hello, and welcome to another edition of Nerdificent from Home. 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:17.319 I am one half of your host Danny Fernandez, and 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:20.800 sitting in another part of l A is, oh is 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.960 your boy? If you way holding it down? Crispy sounds 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:26.239 smooth because you know your boy got that condenser Mike 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:28.240 Greint set up sounding good? You're like, if you are 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:32.159 you still in the studio. No, we're practicing social distancing 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:35.800 and we are socially distant. And I think we're talking 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:39.120 about the perfect hero today because this hero is very distant. 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:42.640 I don't know if he's just socially distant, he is 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:49.040 emotionally unavailable yea. And to talk with us about that. 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:51.440 He has been on our podcast and many of times 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:54.280 he's been a host at Nerdice and for d C Daily. 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:57.520 It is Hector Nabarrow. Thank you guys so much for 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:00.959 having me. I'm also at home social distance seeing with 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:04.360 my setup. Apologies if it doesn't sound as crispies as 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:07.679 if dogs or Danny's, but I'm trying my best and 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.399 I'm so excited to talk about the thing we're about 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:13.440 to talk about. Also, y'all should know, um, I think 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:15.720 I said last time that my friends are like have 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.959 been treating veggies like drug deals and being like, yo, 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:22.360 I got you some spinach. Um today Hector dropped off 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:26.080 like a pound of spinach on my front doorstep. You know, 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:30.200 it's been fun, uh seeing all the different ways friends 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:33.560 are helping each other. Like I, uh my buddy Grant 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:36.520 from college humor was saying that, you know, he's running 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:40.520 for exercise, but his shoes, you know, have been hurting 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:43.000 his heel because none of the stores are open to 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:44.959 buy proper running shoes. And I was like, what size 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.240 do you wear? And he's like thirteen, And I was like, oh, 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:50.040 I have a thirteen, and lo and behold, I had 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:52.560 like some running shoes I bought because I thought they 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.880 looked cool. And the thing about like wearing like sinkers 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:57.760 just to wear them, like shoes that are meant for 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:01.640 things like running don't actually like like they're comfy, but 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.160 like they don't make it in the rotation off. So 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:06.080 I was able to hook him up with some running shoes. 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:14.760 Well you know who also wears running shoes. We're talking 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:19.160 about the Cape Crusader, the Dark Knight, Batman, the Man 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:21.880 of the Man made of bats and you know what 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:25.160 to cut you off, Danny, but I wanna, you know, 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:28.280 we obviously there isn't much to geek out about right 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:33.320 now because the world. But I think what would be 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:35.600 fun to say is, what are you binging right now? 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:39.760 You know, inside, I'm curious, because I'm curious. I'm curious 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:45.119 in my head. Danny's just watching more Twilight Zone. Not entirely. 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:48.120 I feel like that'd be a little too bleak for 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:53.200 these times. Almost Uh, yeah, are you looking at something? 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:55.880 Yeah you are, Danny. Are you finding some other means 0:02:55.880 --> 0:03:00.200 of escapism? It's not the like, you know, the the 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:04.240 maybe two real firelight, so well, this is this is wild. 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:09.119 But I actually find this. I watched television and small 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:12.560 amounts because I find it really triggering and so um, 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:14.800 because I also work in television and so it's like 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.280 you can't get away from it. And I'm still writing 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:19.040 on a on a Netflix show right now. So we 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.040 have to meet for hours on end, like in a 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:23.760 Zoom conference call, which is great a lot my coworkers, 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:25.840 but also like it's the not what I want to 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:29.800 do when I get off that call. So um, However, 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:31.680 I will say the thing that I'm geeking out about, 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:34.000 so I like takes I watch like one thing a day, 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.840 and I like watch one episode of something or one movie. 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:40.360 And last night I watched Uncorked, which is on Netflix. 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:45.080 Prentice Penny, who's a showrunner for Insecure um row and 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:49.840 directed it. It's amazing. It's about a son whose dad 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:52.240 wants him to take over his barbecue business, but he 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:55.000 wants to be like a want a wine? Uh so 0:03:55.480 --> 0:04:00.320 what is it called? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, And so it's 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:04.560 really awesome. And my favorite thing is like they have 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.400 not only do they have like a dope soundtrack, but 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:10.880 they also have like French rap French rap music in it, 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.360 and Apprentice is just really dope and I like him 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:17.000 a lot. And I love this movie. I actually like truly. 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:19.120 I was thinking about it today, like a day after 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:22.480 I watched it, So it's great. That's great. I bought 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:25.720 the first season because it's not available on DVD. Even 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:28.960 though I love my physical media, I had to resort 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:32.599 to buying digitally the first season of a cartoon show 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:35.280 I loved, Growing Up That Abby my girlfriend has never seen, 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.040 so I bought the first season of Jackie Chan Adventures 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:43.080 on Amazon. That was It is so good, dude. It 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:46.440 still holds up, surprisingly well, so that's that's what we've 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:48.720 been kind of binging right now. It's real fun because again, 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:50.760 if you if you've never seen the show, it's so 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:52.880 delightful because at the end of each episode of an 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.279 animated Adventure where Jackie Chan is kind of like a 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:58.720 like a pseudo archaeologist, but he's also like a martial 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:01.200 arts but not really. He's just kind of a like 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.000 a like a befuddled like you know, he doesn't want 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:06.320 any trouble type of a guy. Um. At the end 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:09.000 of each episode, live action footage cuts to Jackie Chan 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:10.840 like training in his dojo, and there's a little kid 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:12.920 voice over like hey Jackie, and then asks him a 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.040 question like do you like dessert, and then at Jackie 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:18.120 chant answering like yes, ice cream, tiermisoo, tiermisoo, And it's 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:21.800 so adorable and it makes us feel real good. Yeah, 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.320 that's that's some good stuff. You will you'll be happy 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.440 to now since you love physical media that I went 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:30.080 and got. Uh. I actually bought a few anime, but 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:32.719 the main ones that I was super hyped about is 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:35.400 and I had to go on and this is kind 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:37.200 of what led me down the path of getting so 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.320 many blu rays now is. I was trying to watch Big, 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:42.960 which was one of my favorite like anime, which is 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.000 it was just I'm glad I'm talking about now because 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:48.039 it's literally just MEC Batman. Like you can really looking 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:50.600 at it, you can tell that they were definitely probably 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:53.680 inspired by like Batman, the animated series, and if not, 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.520 it's the wildest coincidence because it all it has that 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.840 kind of like that kind of gap gets be that 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:04.440 like neo Gatsby esque kind of vibe to it um 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:08.880 and and so I was trying to stream it, it 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:13.080 was nowhere, absolutely nowhere you could not stream it. I 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:15.080 was like, well then it's time. So I was able 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:19.840 to find the twenty the twentieth Anniversary Blu Ray Complete 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:24.880 Series steel book on eBay in pristine condition. Shout out 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:27.320 to that seller. Uh, and it has like an art 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:29.560 book that went with it. And then on top of it, 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:34.039 I got my favorite anime of all time, which you know, 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:37.200 I get, I I get lots of flak because DBZ 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:41.080 is my second favorite, DVC is my second favorite. My 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:45.560 first favorite animal of all time is Gorn log On 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.120 and I have the They came out with this super 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:52.520 dope multidisc set and I've just been watching through it 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:56.760 all weekend and it's just as gorgeous, just as beautiful 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:00.240 as as as I remember. I thought, I was like, 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:02.520 maybe this isn't gonna be as tight to me because 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.000 it's been a while, but no, it's so good and 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:08.280 it's it's great and it's so funny because like now 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:10.240 that I've kind of been watching a lot of anime 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.720 and see why I love DBZ and all these anime 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.400 because the through line and a lot of my favorites 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.200 is the idea of hope and holding inside of it, 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:22.360 which makes it a good watch for times like now 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:26.440 because it really is like especially like tingin Top and 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.880 Goring and log On, where it's like it really is like, 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:33.280 you know, just believing in yourself and making the impossible happen, 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:36.320 and it's yeah, it's solid. I'm about to be I'll 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:38.120 be finished with it by today and then I'm just 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:41.240 gonna watch the two movies with it and just probably 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:44.280 like go through my favorite moments again and then finally 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:53.760 knock out Big Oh if you're such a good ide 0:07:55.280 --> 0:08:06.240 Danny's um dnnon in in in and in It, jingle Bells, rules, 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:11.080 Am I right? Friends, Everyone It's Danny Fernandez here with 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:16.600 Nerdyface talking about Batman because you know, we've actually been 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:21.560 doing NERD Deficent for two years their two year anniversary. Yeah, 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:25.720 kind of crazy. We've never talked about Papan yeah. Um, 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:28.000 you know, we try to talk about things like The 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:31.559 Flash or Shazam or like, you know, characters that don't 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:37.959 have decades worth of television and movies. Yeah, I can almost. 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.000 I can like see where like why it took us 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:43.800 so long to get to Batman because it's what what's 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.280 interesting about NERD Defficent and what I love about it 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:48.319 is how it evolved because I feel like before it 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:52.080 was like more of a like introspect the deep divy 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:55.319 maybe fine, its something that you didn't know type, and 0:08:55.440 --> 0:09:00.679 that as we've grown, we've realized that one deep diving 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:04.040 like everyone has that. That's like there's there's a whole website, 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.719 there's wicky as all that. What's fun is seeing the 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.680 relationship to the characters and kind of like going beat 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:12.800 for beat with people who were passionate about it of 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.400 like the you know, how it came to be and 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:19.840 then really waxing poetic on how we feel about these characters. 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.520 So I can see why we wouldn't want to deep 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:30.760 dive one of the most visited characters in all of media. Totally. No. 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:32.760 I like that. I like that approach of trying to 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:36.760 uh talk about a personal connection because if you guys 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:39.920 had like you're saying, if he and Danny like almost 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:42.599 avoided talking about this subject up to this point. It 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.040 is because there are so many people who know so 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:49.360 much about Batman, and even outside of movies, which there 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.280 are millions and millions and millions of movie fans and 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:56.160 pop culture fans, I find that the people who like 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:59.560 these kinds of characters and superhero characters at that surface 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:01.559 level of well, I've seen all the movies or I've 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:04.360 seen the cartoon show, and there's usually a deeper level 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:07.120 than that of like, well, have you read comic books 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.959 of these characters. That I found that most people who 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.599 love Batman at that surface level, out of all the 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.559 people who love superheroes at the surface level, Batman is 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:17.560 the one that gets people to go, well, I'll read 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:20.040 their comic too, I'll pick up a comic book. So 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:25.560 it's like, really, it really is surprising and not surprising sometimes, 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:27.800 but to to run into people and go yeah, I 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.440 love the Christopher Nolan movies, No, my Batman is Michael 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:33.199 Keaton and then they in that same breath they go yeah. 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.760 And I love the Neil Adams run a Batman in 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:38.280 the seventies and oh Man like Death in the Family 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:40.040 in the eighties was awesome. And I love the stuff 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:42.400 that you know that Scott Snyder and Gregor Pula were 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:44.720 doing recently in the common Like they go so deep 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:48.800 with it that it is difficult to like educate people 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:50.680 about this character because I feel like if a person 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:55.199 likes even likes Batman, they have almost already done that 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:58.040 homework on their own, and everybody has a like a 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.120 like a like a base knowledge of what this character 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:05.320 and world is. Yeah. Well, here I was wondering if 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:07.599 you wanted to walk people through, because we're going to 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:10.160 get to your intro of him, which I could guess 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.960 what it is, but did you want to walk all through? 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:15.839 Um not like you don't have a bunch of it 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:17.400 at your apartment or anything, but did you want to 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:20.280 walk people through his creation and how he got started 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:25.679 nine after the Great Depression? Wait, I don't know, yes, yes, 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.720 but but before the onset of World War Two, Superman 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:31.120 appears on the scene and Action Comics number one and 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.920 changes the industry as we know it. And from the 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:40.000 creation of Superman and his popularity in comic books, which 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:42.760 I think it's difficult to describe to people how popular 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:46.400 this character was, you know, for modern day people today 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:48.160 to to to try to explain to them, No, he 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:51.920 was just appearing in comic books and was insanely popular. Um. 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:55.199 The company that eventually became known as d C Comics 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:58.520 was like, well, we need another character, and it was 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:02.040 Bob Kane who came up with the name Batman and 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:05.000 even came up with some preliminary sketches that were like 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:08.040 he had a character who had like red boots and 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:11.439 more of a bright, colorful costume. He him collaborating with 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:15.320 artists and writer Bill Finger. Bill Finger was the one 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:17.040 to go, well, why don't we make them darker, but 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:19.319 why don't we put him in gray and black and 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:22.839 blue and try to contrast him with Superman? And I 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.320 feel that it's really really interesting to know that there 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:29.760 is a little bit more of the let's let's add 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:31.800 this stuff to the character to make them different from 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:35.959 Superman than I think people. No, Um, that they that 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:37.760 they were really kind of And then and then of 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:40.199 course everything that that Batman did in comic books and 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.840 beyond influenced how Superman was written and the stories were 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:45.920 created with Superman. So both of these characters have been 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.520 like not tugging and pulling on each other, but like 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.360 making each other kind of better. And and and when 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.320 you put those two characters together, they have like shaped 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:59.000 each other's ideologies so strongly that people understand Batman better 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:02.280 when Superman is a round and vice versa. So that's 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:05.280 the origin is that, like, Batman is a character who 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.400 when he was the first appearing in comic books Detective 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:12.839 Comics number twenty seven, nineteen thirty nine, I want to say, um, 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:15.800 a little bit after Superman appeared in thirty eight, but 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:20.280 before Robin appeared in ninety we'll get to that. He uh, 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:23.679 he was a character who was clearly influenced by all 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.160 of the pop culture that was happening up to that point, 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:29.040 things like the Shadow, who was like a pulp comics 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:33.600 character and things like um, uh you know Dracula and uh, 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:37.800 Leonardo da Vinci's designs inspired Bob Kane, and now he 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:39.400 was like, well, this is what the cape should look like? 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:43.520 And those kinds of like you know, like like Mobster, 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:48.320 Dick Tracy, types of disfigured villains and everything, and especially 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:50.559 the comic strip the Phantom, who was another kind of 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.760 pulp character, pulpy character with his like blank white eyes, 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:57.199 which is another idea that Bill Finger contributed to the 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:02.040 creation of Batman. All of these things culminated in this character, 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:05.160 who was almost like a picture. It like this, if 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:09.800 you took everything that that uh sort of comic book 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.679 writers and artists who were probably nerds back in the day. 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.199 These guys it were just cranking out these stories to 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:17.240 make a buck, to try to pay the bills. If 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:19.480 you took everything that they were influenced by and put 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.440 it in a meat grinder and out came the other side, 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:24.640 it would probably be Batman because it was just so 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.360 clearly influenced by other things. But when it was all 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:31.520 smashed together, it did end up becoming such a unique 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.920 and as the decades went on and more people contributed 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:37.920 to the concept like such a unique and strong concept. 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:40.400 And it's so surprising this to know how much of 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.480 it came from even those early early comics, just like Superman. 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:45.800 Just like if you go to Marvel and read spider 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:49.000 Man in the early sixties twenty years later, so much 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.640 of what Spiderman is today still can be pulled from 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:55.000 those first kind of stories and origins and everything. So 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:59.080 so Batman's a character in comic books, they are teaming 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:01.760 him up with you know, Superman and eventually Robin and 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.760 eventually Wonder Woman in the Justice Society. And then you 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:08.520 cut too when superheroes became less and less popular after 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:10.760 the fifties and people were coming back from the war 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.040 and McCarthy ism and all these things that were happening 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:18.560 the sixties changed the character with a couple of different ways. 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:20.840 The main thing is, and before the sixties as well, 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:23.520 in the forties, there were still some movie cereals that 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:27.560 featured Batman, so he was like a film character. Well actor, 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.760 I wanted to say, why so he was? He was? 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:33.680 You know, I always see them as like Gokun Vegeta, 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:37.040 They're like, you know, of the Mother. But why then 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:42.120 the detective aspect of him, like it's such different than 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.880 just the straight Superman peop were here again, It's because 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:49.440 Superman was such a like brain melting lye new idea, 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:53.640 and yet Superman was still drawing upon influences like Edgar 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:56.680 Rice Burrows, you know, a Princess of Mars, the John 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.240 Carter of Mars series, where that's a guy who is 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.920 from Earth goes to Mars. There's less gravity, so he 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.280 can jump around and he has like super strength. It's 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:06.600 just an inverse of that where somebody from an even 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:10.360 denser planet than ours, Crypton comes here and it's classic 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:16.200 sci fi Buck Rogers style, Flash Gordon style influences Batman. Again, 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.160 it's just a reflection of what was happening at the time. 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:23.040 Sherlock Holmes, you know, they're like huge sellers, these characters 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:25.640 who we kind of take for granted today and think 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:29.000 that they that they unless something like a Benedict Cumberbach 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.560 Batch Sherlock comes along and everybody gets excited about these 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:33.760 characters again, But these characters have been around for like 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:38.480 over a century, were like hot stuff back then and 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:41.360 ended up influencing the kinds of stories that they wanted 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:43.560 to tell with this character. And I think again a 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:47.720 lot of that initial collaboration between Bob Kane and Bill Finger, 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.320 and there's been some controversy with like how much credit 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:52.960 does Bill Finger get with because for decades it was 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:55.600 Batman created by Bob Kane. Batman created by Bob Kane, 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:57.880 and Bob Cane was almost like a Stan Lee. He 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:00.720 was such a good salesman and such a good pitch 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:04.080 guy in hype Man that he sold himself as almost 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:07.359 like the sole creator of Batman. People have yeah, people 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:09.200 have gone back and they're like, actually, no, dude, you're 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:10.520 the one who came to him with an idea of 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:12.560 like he should have red boots like super and Bill 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:14.600 Finger with the one that was going, how about we 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:16.480 do this? How about we do that? And Bill Finger 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:19.280 did so much of the art as well. Uh and 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:22.720 that's the writing. So yeah, yeah, sorry to cut you 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:25.399 off saying. Qote that we had was Bill saying why 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:27.159 not make him look more like a bat put a 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:29.640 hood on because before you just had like a Robin mask, 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:31.680 a Domino mask. And then he was like take the 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:33.800 eyeballs out and just put slits for the eyes to 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.960 make him look more mysterious. And that's like probably the 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:40.879 staples of a Batman, like he just like that is 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:44.920 the blueprint. Every everything beyond that, you know is cool, 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:48.560 but it's it's looking like a bat white eyes. Everyone 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:50.920 goes like That's the biggest thing people were freaking out 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:54.000 about was when the potential for this new movie to 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:58.760 have just wide eyed Batman. We also did the cow 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:02.639 the most famous how um, so this is a finger 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:06.680 also devised the name Bruce Wayne. Yeah, so you said 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:09.080 this is a quote. Bruce Wayne's first name came from 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:13.680 Robert Bruce, the Scottish, the Scottish patriot. Wayne, being a playboy, 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:15.960 was a man of gentry. I searched for a name 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:20.040 that would suggest colonialism. I tried to Adam Hancock. Then 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:22.840 I thought of mad Anthony Wayne. He later said his 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.320 suggestion was influenced by leaf Folks Popular the Phantom, a 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:31.560 syndicated newspaper comic strip character with which Kane was also familiar. Yeah. 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:34.840 That doesn't surprise me either, because, in the same way 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:38.480 that Superman Clark, Kent is supposed to be the ideals 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:41.480 of America in the sense of like, he's a good 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.440 person raised by good people with good morals and and 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:48.760 and good uh lessons, and he is an immigrant. It's 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:52.159 an immigrant story. Batman is another part of the American 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:55.639 dream that is essentially a false American dream, but it's 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.159 still one that like people in the United States have 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:00.520 bought into since the beginning of the United States, which is, 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:02.960 if you work hard, you can become a billionaire, you 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:07.359 can become a self made man. And that is not true. 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:12.240 Um and Bruce Wayne, Bruce Wayne is this great fantasy 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:16.919 of like being a responsible and cool billionaire. I and uh, 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.360 and so that is just as much of a part 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:23.320 of his appeal, I think, and like his popularity is 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:25.960 that people, whether knowingly or not, they subconsciously see that 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:27.800 and they go it's just like it's escapism. It's just 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.480 like James Bond, sure, but especially the fact that he 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:36.040 is a superhero character, and superheroes are an American unique creation. 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.200 Our popular culture was the one to create these these 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:42.040 modern superhero characters and put them in cities, and you know, 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:43.800 and then the rest of the world did their own 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:46.560 takes and and they're all valid. But to have a 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:48.960 story where it's like, here's a guy who who has 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:52.120 billions of dollars loses his parents. So only with an 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:55.360 with a tragedy will he decided to actually do something 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:59.400 about social ills. Only after it happens to him. Otherwise 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:02.240 he would not have cared because he's a billionaire and 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:05.359 his life was set and afterwards he goes around the 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:08.480 world and trains and becomes someone who has a physically 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:10.920 perfect body. He was already a genius to begin with, 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:14.159 because you know, most billionaires are, and their families, you know, 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:16.480 have given them genes of like his father was a 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:18.760 doctor and his mother was brilliant, and so he's a 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:20.800 super genius. Then he goes around the world and becomes 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:23.840 the world's greatest detective, studying with people like at one 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:26.520 point even Sherlock Holmes himself has been sort of written 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:28.920 into the story and he's gone to Scotland Yard and 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:30.760 he studied, you know, how to do C. S I 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:33.359 type technology and everything. And then on top of that, 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:35.399 he's one of the world's greatest mechanics and he builds 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:38.240 a super souped up unique car and then his own 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:40.920 plane and all this other stuff. So for decades and 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:44.040 decades and decades, Batman has been a character who is 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:48.080 fun to imagine this type of person with wealth, you know, 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:50.800 giving back to the world in the city he grows 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:52.360 up in because he loves the city and he's trying 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:54.840 to make better. And I found that really only in 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:58.000 the past, I would say twenty years have there been 0:20:58.080 --> 0:20:59.960 stories that have attempted to be like, well, let's talk 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:01.879 about him being a billionaire for a second. Let's talk 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:04.480 about how else he uses his money instead of just gadgets. 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:07.080 Here he is giving to orphanages. Here, he is, you know, 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:09.640 trying to build the city in different ways. And why 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:12.960 doesn't he share more of his money? Why does he 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:16.880 feel so um focused and driven that he believes he's 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:19.840 the only man capable of doing this mission he's doing. 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:22.840 He does not even have superpowers. And I feel like 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:27.159 sometimes those stories are strong, They're stronger for that exploration, 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:29.760 the fact that it goes inward to Bruce Wayne and 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:32.480