Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to another edition of Nerdificent from Home.
Speaker 1: I am one half of your host Danny Fernandez, and
Speaker 1: sitting in another part of l A is, oh is
Speaker 1: your boy? If you way holding it down? Crispy sounds
Speaker 1: smooth because you know your boy got that condenser Mike
Speaker 1: Greint set up sounding good? You're like, if you are
Speaker 1: you still in the studio. No, we're practicing social distancing
Speaker 1: and we are socially distant. And I think we're talking
Speaker 1: about the perfect hero today because this hero is very distant.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's just socially distant, he is
Speaker 1: emotionally unavailable yea. And to talk with us about that.
Speaker 1: He has been on our podcast and many of times
Speaker 1: he's been a host at Nerdice and for d C Daily.
Speaker 1: It is Hector Nabarrow. Thank you guys so much for
Speaker 1: having me. I'm also at home social distance seeing with
Speaker 1: my setup. Apologies if it doesn't sound as crispies as
Speaker 1: if dogs or Danny's, but I'm trying my best and
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to talk about the thing we're about
Speaker 1: to talk about. Also, y'all should know, um, I think
Speaker 1: I said last time that my friends are like have
Speaker 1: been treating veggies like drug deals and being like, yo,
Speaker 1: I got you some spinach. Um today Hector dropped off
Speaker 1: like a pound of spinach on my front doorstep. You know,
Speaker 1: it's been fun, uh seeing all the different ways friends
Speaker 1: are helping each other. Like I, uh my buddy Grant
Speaker 1: from college humor was saying that, you know, he's running
Speaker 1: for exercise, but his shoes, you know, have been hurting
Speaker 1: his heel because none of the stores are open to
Speaker 1: buy proper running shoes. And I was like, what size
Speaker 1: do you wear? And he's like thirteen, And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I have a thirteen, and lo and behold, I had
Speaker 1: like some running shoes I bought because I thought they
Speaker 1: looked cool. And the thing about like wearing like sinkers
Speaker 1: just to wear them, like shoes that are meant for
Speaker 1: things like running don't actually like like they're comfy, but
Speaker 1: like they don't make it in the rotation off. So
Speaker 1: I was able to hook him up with some running shoes.
Speaker 1: Well you know who also wears running shoes. We're talking
Speaker 1: about the Cape Crusader, the Dark Knight, Batman, the Man
Speaker 1: of the Man made of bats and you know what
Speaker 1: to cut you off, Danny, but I wanna, you know,
Speaker 1: we obviously there isn't much to geek out about right
Speaker 1: now because the world. But I think what would be
Speaker 1: fun to say is, what are you binging right now?
Speaker 1: You know, inside, I'm curious, because I'm curious. I'm curious
Speaker 1: in my head. Danny's just watching more Twilight Zone. Not entirely.
Speaker 1: I feel like that'd be a little too bleak for
Speaker 1: these times. Almost Uh, yeah, are you looking at something?
Speaker 1: Yeah you are, Danny. Are you finding some other means
Speaker 1: of escapism? It's not the like, you know, the the
Speaker 1: maybe two real firelight, so well, this is this is wild.
Speaker 1: But I actually find this. I watched television and small
Speaker 1: amounts because I find it really triggering and so um,
Speaker 1: because I also work in television and so it's like
Speaker 1: you can't get away from it. And I'm still writing
Speaker 1: on a on a Netflix show right now. So we
Speaker 1: have to meet for hours on end, like in a
Speaker 1: Zoom conference call, which is great a lot my coworkers,
Speaker 1: but also like it's the not what I want to
Speaker 1: do when I get off that call. So um, However,
Speaker 1: I will say the thing that I'm geeking out about,
Speaker 1: so I like takes I watch like one thing a day,
Speaker 1: and I like watch one episode of something or one movie.
Speaker 1: And last night I watched Uncorked, which is on Netflix.
Speaker 1: Prentice Penny, who's a showrunner for Insecure um row and
Speaker 1: directed it. It's amazing. It's about a son whose dad
Speaker 1: wants him to take over his barbecue business, but he
Speaker 1: wants to be like a want a wine? Uh so
Speaker 1: what is it called? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, And so it's
Speaker 1: really awesome. And my favorite thing is like they have
Speaker 1: not only do they have like a dope soundtrack, but
Speaker 1: they also have like French rap French rap music in it,
Speaker 1: and Apprentice is just really dope and I like him
Speaker 1: a lot. And I love this movie. I actually like truly.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about it today, like a day after
Speaker 1: I watched it, So it's great. That's great. I bought
Speaker 1: the first season because it's not available on DVD. Even
Speaker 1: though I love my physical media, I had to resort
Speaker 1: to buying digitally the first season of a cartoon show
Speaker 1: I loved, Growing Up That Abby my girlfriend has never seen,
Speaker 1: so I bought the first season of Jackie Chan Adventures
Speaker 1: on Amazon. That was It is so good, dude. It
Speaker 1: still holds up, surprisingly well, so that's that's what we've
Speaker 1: been kind of binging right now. It's real fun because again,
Speaker 1: if you if you've never seen the show, it's so
Speaker 1: delightful because at the end of each episode of an
Speaker 1: animated Adventure where Jackie Chan is kind of like a
Speaker 1: like a pseudo archaeologist, but he's also like a martial
Speaker 1: arts but not really. He's just kind of a like
Speaker 1: a like a befuddled like you know, he doesn't want
Speaker 1: any trouble type of a guy. Um. At the end
Speaker 1: of each episode, live action footage cuts to Jackie Chan
Speaker 1: like training in his dojo, and there's a little kid
Speaker 1: voice over like hey Jackie, and then asks him a
Speaker 1: question like do you like dessert, and then at Jackie
Speaker 1: chant answering like yes, ice cream, tiermisoo, tiermisoo, And it's
Speaker 1: so adorable and it makes us feel real good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's some good stuff. You will you'll be happy
Speaker 1: to now since you love physical media that I went
Speaker 1: and got. Uh. I actually bought a few anime, but
Speaker 1: the main ones that I was super hyped about is
Speaker 1: and I had to go on and this is kind
Speaker 1: of what led me down the path of getting so
Speaker 1: many blu rays now is. I was trying to watch Big,
Speaker 1: which was one of my favorite like anime, which is
Speaker 1: it was just I'm glad I'm talking about now because
Speaker 1: it's literally just MEC Batman. Like you can really looking
Speaker 1: at it, you can tell that they were definitely probably
Speaker 1: inspired by like Batman, the animated series, and if not,
Speaker 1: it's the wildest coincidence because it all it has that
Speaker 1: kind of like that kind of gap gets be that
Speaker 1: like neo Gatsby esque kind of vibe to it um
Speaker 1: and and so I was trying to stream it, it
Speaker 1: was nowhere, absolutely nowhere you could not stream it. I
Speaker 1: was like, well then it's time. So I was able
Speaker 1: to find the twenty the twentieth Anniversary Blu Ray Complete
Speaker 1: Series steel book on eBay in pristine condition. Shout out
Speaker 1: to that seller. Uh, and it has like an art
Speaker 1: book that went with it. And then on top of it,
Speaker 1: I got my favorite anime of all time, which you know,
Speaker 1: I get, I I get lots of flak because DBZ
Speaker 1: is my second favorite, DVC is my second favorite. My
Speaker 1: first favorite animal of all time is Gorn log On
Speaker 1: and I have the They came out with this super
Speaker 1: dope multidisc set and I've just been watching through it
Speaker 1: all weekend and it's just as gorgeous, just as beautiful
Speaker 1: as as as I remember. I thought, I was like,
Speaker 1: maybe this isn't gonna be as tight to me because
Speaker 1: it's been a while, but no, it's so good and
Speaker 1: it's it's great and it's so funny because like now
Speaker 1: that I've kind of been watching a lot of anime
Speaker 1: and see why I love DBZ and all these anime
Speaker 1: because the through line and a lot of my favorites
Speaker 1: is the idea of hope and holding inside of it,
Speaker 1: which makes it a good watch for times like now
Speaker 1: because it really is like especially like tingin Top and
Speaker 1: Goring and log On, where it's like it really is like,
Speaker 1: you know, just believing in yourself and making the impossible happen,
Speaker 1: and it's yeah, it's solid. I'm about to be I'll
Speaker 1: be finished with it by today and then I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna watch the two movies with it and just probably
Speaker 1: like go through my favorite moments again and then finally
Speaker 1: knock out Big Oh if you're such a good ide
Speaker 1: Danny's um dnnon in in in and in It, jingle Bells, rules,
Speaker 1: Am I right? Friends, Everyone It's Danny Fernandez here with
Speaker 1: Nerdyface talking about Batman because you know, we've actually been
Speaker 1: doing NERD Deficent for two years their two year anniversary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of crazy. We've never talked about Papan yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, we try to talk about things like The
Speaker 1: Flash or Shazam or like, you know, characters that don't
Speaker 1: have decades worth of television and movies. Yeah, I can almost.
Speaker 1: I can like see where like why it took us
Speaker 1: so long to get to Batman because it's what what's
Speaker 1: interesting about NERD Defficent and what I love about it
Speaker 1: is how it evolved because I feel like before it
Speaker 1: was like more of a like introspect the deep divy
Speaker 1: maybe fine, its something that you didn't know type, and
Speaker 1: that as we've grown, we've realized that one deep diving
Speaker 1: like everyone has that. That's like there's there's a whole website,
Speaker 1: there's wicky as all that. What's fun is seeing the
Speaker 1: relationship to the characters and kind of like going beat
Speaker 1: for beat with people who were passionate about it of
Speaker 1: like the you know, how it came to be and
Speaker 1: then really waxing poetic on how we feel about these characters.
Speaker 1: So I can see why we wouldn't want to deep
Speaker 1: dive one of the most visited characters in all of media. Totally. No.
Speaker 1: I like that. I like that approach of trying to
Speaker 1: uh talk about a personal connection because if you guys
Speaker 1: had like you're saying, if he and Danny like almost
Speaker 1: avoided talking about this subject up to this point. It
Speaker 1: is because there are so many people who know so
Speaker 1: much about Batman, and even outside of movies, which there
Speaker 1: are millions and millions and millions of movie fans and
Speaker 1: pop culture fans, I find that the people who like
Speaker 1: these kinds of characters and superhero characters at that surface
Speaker 1: level of well, I've seen all the movies or I've
Speaker 1: seen the cartoon show, and there's usually a deeper level
Speaker 1: than that of like, well, have you read comic books
Speaker 1: of these characters. That I found that most people who
Speaker 1: love Batman at that surface level, out of all the
Speaker 1: people who love superheroes at the surface level, Batman is
Speaker 1: the one that gets people to go, well, I'll read
Speaker 1: their comic too, I'll pick up a comic book. So
Speaker 1: it's like, really, it really is surprising and not surprising sometimes,
Speaker 1: but to to run into people and go yeah, I
Speaker 1: love the Christopher Nolan movies, No, my Batman is Michael
Speaker 1: Keaton and then they in that same breath they go yeah.
Speaker 1: And I love the Neil Adams run a Batman in
Speaker 1: the seventies and oh Man like Death in the Family
Speaker 1: in the eighties was awesome. And I love the stuff
Speaker 1: that you know that Scott Snyder and Gregor Pula were
Speaker 1: doing recently in the common Like they go so deep
Speaker 1: with it that it is difficult to like educate people
Speaker 1: about this character because I feel like if a person
Speaker 1: likes even likes Batman, they have almost already done that
Speaker 1: homework on their own, and everybody has a like a
Speaker 1: like a like a base knowledge of what this character
Speaker 1: and world is. Yeah. Well, here I was wondering if
Speaker 1: you wanted to walk people through, because we're going to
Speaker 1: get to your intro of him, which I could guess
Speaker 1: what it is, but did you want to walk all through?
Speaker 1: Um not like you don't have a bunch of it
Speaker 1: at your apartment or anything, but did you want to
Speaker 1: walk people through his creation and how he got started
Speaker 1: nine after the Great Depression? Wait, I don't know, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: but but before the onset of World War Two, Superman
Speaker 1: appears on the scene and Action Comics number one and
Speaker 1: changes the industry as we know it. And from the
Speaker 1: creation of Superman and his popularity in comic books, which
Speaker 1: I think it's difficult to describe to people how popular
Speaker 1: this character was, you know, for modern day people today
Speaker 1: to to to try to explain to them, No, he
Speaker 1: was just appearing in comic books and was insanely popular. Um.
Speaker 1: The company that eventually became known as d C Comics
Speaker 1: was like, well, we need another character, and it was
Speaker 1: Bob Kane who came up with the name Batman and
Speaker 1: even came up with some preliminary sketches that were like
Speaker 1: he had a character who had like red boots and
Speaker 1: more of a bright, colorful costume. He him collaborating with
Speaker 1: artists and writer Bill Finger. Bill Finger was the one
Speaker 1: to go, well, why don't we make them darker, but
Speaker 1: why don't we put him in gray and black and
Speaker 1: blue and try to contrast him with Superman? And I
Speaker 1: feel that it's really really interesting to know that there
Speaker 1: is a little bit more of the let's let's add
Speaker 1: this stuff to the character to make them different from
Speaker 1: Superman than I think people. No, Um, that they that
Speaker 1: they were really kind of And then and then of
Speaker 1: course everything that that Batman did in comic books and
Speaker 1: beyond influenced how Superman was written and the stories were
Speaker 1: created with Superman. So both of these characters have been
Speaker 1: like not tugging and pulling on each other, but like
Speaker 1: making each other kind of better. And and and when
Speaker 1: you put those two characters together, they have like shaped
Speaker 1: each other's ideologies so strongly that people understand Batman better
Speaker 1: when Superman is a round and vice versa. So that's
Speaker 1: the origin is that, like, Batman is a character who
Speaker 1: when he was the first appearing in comic books Detective
Speaker 1: Comics number twenty seven, nineteen thirty nine, I want to say, um,
Speaker 1: a little bit after Superman appeared in thirty eight, but
Speaker 1: before Robin appeared in ninety we'll get to that. He uh,
Speaker 1: he was a character who was clearly influenced by all
Speaker 1: of the pop culture that was happening up to that point,
Speaker 1: things like the Shadow, who was like a pulp comics
Speaker 1: character and things like um, uh you know Dracula and uh,
Speaker 1: Leonardo da Vinci's designs inspired Bob Kane, and now he
Speaker 1: was like, well, this is what the cape should look like?
Speaker 1: And those kinds of like you know, like like Mobster,
Speaker 1: Dick Tracy, types of disfigured villains and everything, and especially
Speaker 1: the comic strip the Phantom, who was another kind of
Speaker 1: pulp character, pulpy character with his like blank white eyes,
Speaker 1: which is another idea that Bill Finger contributed to the
Speaker 1: creation of Batman. All of these things culminated in this character,
Speaker 1: who was almost like a picture. It like this, if
Speaker 1: you took everything that that uh sort of comic book
Speaker 1: writers and artists who were probably nerds back in the day.
Speaker 1: These guys it were just cranking out these stories to
Speaker 1: make a buck, to try to pay the bills. If
Speaker 1: you took everything that they were influenced by and put
Speaker 1: it in a meat grinder and out came the other side,
Speaker 1: it would probably be Batman because it was just so
Speaker 1: clearly influenced by other things. But when it was all
Speaker 1: smashed together, it did end up becoming such a unique
Speaker 1: and as the decades went on and more people contributed
Speaker 1: to the concept like such a unique and strong concept.
Speaker 1: And it's so surprising this to know how much of
Speaker 1: it came from even those early early comics, just like Superman.
Speaker 1: Just like if you go to Marvel and read spider
Speaker 1: Man in the early sixties twenty years later, so much
Speaker 1: of what Spiderman is today still can be pulled from
Speaker 1: those first kind of stories and origins and everything. So
Speaker 1: so Batman's a character in comic books, they are teaming
Speaker 1: him up with you know, Superman and eventually Robin and
Speaker 1: eventually Wonder Woman in the Justice Society. And then you
Speaker 1: cut too when superheroes became less and less popular after
Speaker 1: the fifties and people were coming back from the war
Speaker 1: and McCarthy ism and all these things that were happening
Speaker 1: the sixties changed the character with a couple of different ways.
Speaker 1: The main thing is, and before the sixties as well,
Speaker 1: in the forties, there were still some movie cereals that
Speaker 1: featured Batman, so he was like a film character. Well actor,
Speaker 1: I wanted to say, why so he was? He was?
Speaker 1: You know, I always see them as like Gokun Vegeta,
Speaker 1: They're like, you know, of the Mother. But why then
Speaker 1: the detective aspect of him, like it's such different than
Speaker 1: just the straight Superman peop were here again, It's because
Speaker 1: Superman was such a like brain melting lye new idea,
Speaker 1: and yet Superman was still drawing upon influences like Edgar
Speaker 1: Rice Burrows, you know, a Princess of Mars, the John
Speaker 1: Carter of Mars series, where that's a guy who is
Speaker 1: from Earth goes to Mars. There's less gravity, so he
Speaker 1: can jump around and he has like super strength. It's
Speaker 1: just an inverse of that where somebody from an even
Speaker 1: denser planet than ours, Crypton comes here and it's classic
Speaker 1: sci fi Buck Rogers style, Flash Gordon style influences Batman. Again,
Speaker 1: it's just a reflection of what was happening at the time.
Speaker 1: Sherlock Holmes, you know, they're like huge sellers, these characters
Speaker 1: who we kind of take for granted today and think
Speaker 1: that they that they unless something like a Benedict Cumberbach
Speaker 1: Batch Sherlock comes along and everybody gets excited about these
Speaker 1: characters again, But these characters have been around for like
Speaker 1: over a century, were like hot stuff back then and
Speaker 1: ended up influencing the kinds of stories that they wanted
Speaker 1: to tell with this character. And I think again a
Speaker 1: lot of that initial collaboration between Bob Kane and Bill Finger,
Speaker 1: and there's been some controversy with like how much credit
Speaker 1: does Bill Finger get with because for decades it was
Speaker 1: Batman created by Bob Kane. Batman created by Bob Kane,
Speaker 1: and Bob Cane was almost like a Stan Lee. He
Speaker 1: was such a good salesman and such a good pitch
Speaker 1: guy in hype Man that he sold himself as almost
Speaker 1: like the sole creator of Batman. People have yeah, people
Speaker 1: have gone back and they're like, actually, no, dude, you're
Speaker 1: the one who came to him with an idea of
Speaker 1: like he should have red boots like super and Bill
Speaker 1: Finger with the one that was going, how about we
Speaker 1: do this? How about we do that? And Bill Finger
Speaker 1: did so much of the art as well. Uh and
Speaker 1: that's the writing. So yeah, yeah, sorry to cut you
Speaker 1: off saying. Qote that we had was Bill saying why
Speaker 1: not make him look more like a bat put a
Speaker 1: hood on because before you just had like a Robin mask,
Speaker 1: a Domino mask. And then he was like take the
Speaker 1: eyeballs out and just put slits for the eyes to
Speaker 1: make him look more mysterious. And that's like probably the
Speaker 1: staples of a Batman, like he just like that is
Speaker 1: the blueprint. Every everything beyond that, you know is cool,
Speaker 1: but it's it's looking like a bat white eyes. Everyone
Speaker 1: goes like That's the biggest thing people were freaking out
Speaker 1: about was when the potential for this new movie to
Speaker 1: have just wide eyed Batman. We also did the cow
Speaker 1: the most famous how um, so this is a finger
Speaker 1: also devised the name Bruce Wayne. Yeah, so you said
Speaker 1: this is a quote. Bruce Wayne's first name came from
Speaker 1: Robert Bruce, the Scottish, the Scottish patriot. Wayne, being a playboy,
Speaker 1: was a man of gentry. I searched for a name
Speaker 1: that would suggest colonialism. I tried to Adam Hancock. Then
Speaker 1: I thought of mad Anthony Wayne. He later said his
Speaker 1: suggestion was influenced by leaf Folks Popular the Phantom, a
Speaker 1: syndicated newspaper comic strip character with which Kane was also familiar. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That doesn't surprise me either, because, in the same way
Speaker 1: that Superman Clark, Kent is supposed to be the ideals
Speaker 1: of America in the sense of like, he's a good
Speaker 1: person raised by good people with good morals and and
Speaker 1: and good uh lessons, and he is an immigrant. It's
Speaker 1: an immigrant story. Batman is another part of the American
Speaker 1: dream that is essentially a false American dream, but it's
Speaker 1: still one that like people in the United States have
Speaker 1: bought into since the beginning of the United States, which is,
Speaker 1: if you work hard, you can become a billionaire, you
Speaker 1: can become a self made man. And that is not true.
Speaker 1: Um and Bruce Wayne, Bruce Wayne is this great fantasy
Speaker 1: of like being a responsible and cool billionaire. I and uh,
Speaker 1: and so that is just as much of a part
Speaker 1: of his appeal, I think, and like his popularity is
Speaker 1: that people, whether knowingly or not, they subconsciously see that
Speaker 1: and they go it's just like it's escapism. It's just
Speaker 1: like James Bond, sure, but especially the fact that he
Speaker 1: is a superhero character, and superheroes are an American unique creation.
Speaker 1: Our popular culture was the one to create these these
Speaker 1: modern superhero characters and put them in cities, and you know,
Speaker 1: and then the rest of the world did their own
Speaker 1: takes and and they're all valid. But to have a
Speaker 1: story where it's like, here's a guy who who has
Speaker 1: billions of dollars loses his parents. So only with an
Speaker 1: with a tragedy will he decided to actually do something
Speaker 1: about social ills. Only after it happens to him. Otherwise
Speaker 1: he would not have cared because he's a billionaire and
Speaker 1: his life was set and afterwards he goes around the
Speaker 1: world and trains and becomes someone who has a physically
Speaker 1: perfect body. He was already a genius to begin with,
Speaker 1: because you know, most billionaires are, and their families, you know,
Speaker 1: have given them genes of like his father was a
Speaker 1: doctor and his mother was brilliant, and so he's a
Speaker 1: super genius. Then he goes around the world and becomes
Speaker 1: the world's greatest detective, studying with people like at one
Speaker 1: point even Sherlock Holmes himself has been sort of written
Speaker 1: into the story and he's gone to Scotland Yard and
Speaker 1: he studied, you know, how to do C. S I
Speaker 1: type technology and everything. And then on top of that,
Speaker 1: he's one of the world's greatest mechanics and he builds
Speaker 1: a super souped up unique car and then his own
Speaker 1: plane and all this other stuff. So for decades and
Speaker 1: decades and decades, Batman has been a character who is
Speaker 1: fun to imagine this type of person with wealth, you know,
Speaker 1: giving back to the world in the city he grows
Speaker 1: up in because he loves the city and he's trying
Speaker 1: to make better. And I found that really only in
Speaker 1: the past, I would say twenty years have there been
Speaker 1: stories that have attempted to be like, well, let's talk
Speaker 1: about him being a billionaire for a second. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about how else he uses his money instead of just gadgets.
Speaker 1: Here he is giving to orphanages. Here, he is, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to build the city in different ways. And why
Speaker 1: doesn't he share more of his money? Why does he
Speaker 1: feel so um focused and driven that he believes he's
Speaker 1: the only man capable of doing this mission he's doing.
Speaker 1: He does not even have superpowers. And I feel like
Speaker 1: sometimes those stories are strong, They're stronger for that exploration,
Speaker 1: the fact that it goes inward to Bruce Wayne and
Speaker 1: go he's honestly flawed, and that he is so arrogant,
Speaker 1: for better or worse, that he thinks he's the only
Speaker 1: man who can do this stuff, which explains why he,
Speaker 1: you know, he is personality wise, the way that he is,
Speaker 1: where he's so shut off from people and and at
Speaker 1: the same time he is also kind of full of
Speaker 1: crap because he has this extended family Robin and back
Speaker 1: Girl and Batwoman and Alfred and another Robin and another
Speaker 1: Robin and all these different characters, and it becomes just
Speaker 1: as important to the whole Batman World. But anyway, but
Speaker 1: that's kind of talking about his inception, the fact that
Speaker 1: he is billionaire, and I feel like it's just again
Speaker 1: it's another great contrast between him and Superman. Right, Superman
Speaker 1: is an immigrant who comes from He's the assault of
Speaker 1: the Earth. You know. Uh, he comes from nothing and
Speaker 1: only wants enough to be able to have an apartment
Speaker 1: in Metropolis and you know, maybe someday get married to
Speaker 1: the lowest. But like, he cares about helping people selflessly,
Speaker 1: and Batman helps people selfishly because he you know, he
Speaker 1: always has the plan and he always But again to
Speaker 1: Batman's credit, to this character and the story idea from
Speaker 1: the beginning is well, the police is corrupt in Gotham City,
Speaker 1: and that's a really uh poignant and interesting, you know
Speaker 1: story as to how eventually Batman came to deal with
Speaker 1: them with like authority and with police and everything. So
Speaker 1: so going back to sort of the history, He's a
Speaker 1: character in comic books for decades and decades, and then
Speaker 1: in the sixties he gets that big TV show, Adam West.
Speaker 1: That's sixties and nineteen sixty six is when that show premiers,
Speaker 1: and a lot of hardcore Batman comic book fans it
Speaker 1: would see the show was kids or the the show
Speaker 1: when it was coming out at first didn't like it
Speaker 1: because it was very camp and this is a character
Speaker 1: who who was born in a much darker and more
Speaker 1: serious tone. And eventually the comic books sort of reflected
Speaker 1: a lighter tone and the show picked up on that,
Speaker 1: and then after the show came out, the comics continued
Speaker 1: to sort of do that to reflect what the very
Speaker 1: popular TV show was doing. And so Batman has had
Speaker 1: these little mini revolutions in his comic book world where
Speaker 1: it's almost like a pushback to what's happening on. A
Speaker 1: writer and artist will come along ago, we're going back
Speaker 1: to basics. He's darker, he's doing detective work. It's not
Speaker 1: about hey ho chum and and you know, Jimminy Jilliper
Speaker 1: has to be like that because it seems like those
Speaker 1: are aside from Adam West, who seems like one of
Speaker 1: the only people that can pull that off, right, it
Speaker 1: seems like it's not possible to do Batman like campy
Speaker 1: or lighthearted like now with like like, So if the
Speaker 1: next Batman movie came out, do you think that they
Speaker 1: could do that and not have it be as dark.
Speaker 1: Um I will I will say this. I think you
Speaker 1: need to have There's two components, right. There is the
Speaker 1: character himself Batman Bruce Wayne, and then there's the world
Speaker 1: that he operates in. And I think one of the
Speaker 1: two needs to be serious and the other one can
Speaker 1: be more lighthearted or heroic or um cheesy or corny
Speaker 1: or childish as long as the other one is still.
Speaker 1: And let me try to explain that if on the
Speaker 1: one instance you have a cheesy, corny Batman, to my mind,
Speaker 1: the world should be a little bit darker than Superman's world.
Speaker 1: And for me, a cheesy, corny Batman is somebody who
Speaker 1: he's kind of like Iffy. He's this big, buff dude
Speaker 1: who you think is just a total badass. He could
Speaker 1: probably take on a guerrilla strength to strength. But the
Speaker 1: important thing is is that Batman has a heart of goal,
Speaker 1: like he's a he's almost a liar, and that he
Speaker 1: lies to the people around him and he lies to himself,
Speaker 1: almost like the first few seasons of the show Dexter,
Speaker 1: where he was a serial killer who's like, I can't
Speaker 1: have a family, I kind of emotional attachments, and then
Speaker 1: he has that and you're like, what are you thinking, dude?
Speaker 1: You you have the stuff that you say you're not
Speaker 1: capable of because you think you're a monster when you're not.
Speaker 1: To me, those are some of the most inspirational, beautiful
Speaker 1: stories of Batman where he can come through and he decides,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna succumb to the depths of this city.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to murder somebody. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: is exactly my personal revenge or vengeance. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to I'm going to continue to believe that people are good.
Speaker 1: And those stories I think work really well. But that
Speaker 1: means that, yeah, the world can be a little bit darker.
Speaker 1: In the world has to be a little bit dark.
Speaker 1: That's to me, to my in my opinion, I think
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of the Ben Affleck Batman story
Speaker 1: stuff didn't work for me. Even though Ben Affleck looked
Speaker 1: so much the part, and he he's an incredible actor,
Speaker 1: and I think he was very well cast in the role.
Speaker 1: That story had a world where it was already dark
Speaker 1: and cynical, and then this Batman himself is dark and cynical,
Speaker 1: and I know that the whole purpose of that story
Speaker 1: is like, well, once Superman died he becomes inspired to
Speaker 1: and I feel like that's fine. I think it works
Speaker 1: on paper. It just didn't. It just didn't work for
Speaker 1: me in that movie, and it kind of made the
Speaker 1: follow up, which was Justice League the movie a little
Speaker 1: bit sort of uneven with a bunch of other problems.
Speaker 1: But to go back to the other example, if there's
Speaker 1: a world that is really corny and cheesy, like the
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties Adam West world, if there is a Batman
Speaker 1: who is a bit more serious but he still operates
Speaker 1: in that superhero world, I think it works beautifully. And
Speaker 1: the example is the cartoon show Batman, The Brave and
Speaker 1: the Bold. That cartoon show came out after many, many
Speaker 1: years of Kevin Conroy's Batman, so I think a lot
Speaker 1: of bat fans didn't really take to it immediately. They
Speaker 1: were like, what is this new thing. Actor Diedrich Bader
Speaker 1: from the Drew Carey Show and a bunch of other stuff.
Speaker 1: He voiced Batman, and he had a voice like this
Speaker 1: and it was very cheesy and over the top, but
Speaker 1: he as a character was very like serious and driven
Speaker 1: in heroic and the world around him was like every
Speaker 1: episode he would team up with another DC superhero character,
Speaker 1: and the DC world is very colorful, it's very hopeful
Speaker 1: and optimistic. So an episode he's teaming up with Aquaman.
Speaker 1: An Aquaman was voiced by John DiMaggio, and he played
Speaker 1: him like outrageous, like this adventurer come ho ho ho chum.
Speaker 1: And so it became this like like odd couple of
Speaker 1: like these heroes showing up and being very cheesy and
Speaker 1: Batman going, this is why I work alone. And that
Speaker 1: was fun and that worked. So so I think that
Speaker 1: if you move too far away from the darkness for Batman,
Speaker 1: and it's both he himself the character is very light
Speaker 1: and the world is light, then it's really just sort
Speaker 1: of like a Batman dress up for for kids. And
Speaker 1: that's fine to kind of tell them, like, hey, kids,
Speaker 1: here's the Penguin, here's the Joker, Here's Batman, here's Robin.
Speaker 1: How fun is this? But it's not really like a
Speaker 1: real thing, um. And if you go to light and
Speaker 1: optimistic with it, I think, you know, you move away
Speaker 1: from what makes Batman Batman. But if you again, if
Speaker 1: you go too dark with it, then Batman becomes a
Speaker 1: character who doesn't work with the rest of his world,
Speaker 1: which is the DC universe, and it should be super heroic,
Speaker 1: and it s to be lighter and and really, the
Speaker 1: DC universe to me is similar to the Marvel universe.
Speaker 1: They both are similar in tone. They have differences, clearly,
Speaker 1: but they still kind of come from a lot of
Speaker 1: the same stuff and so many of the same creatives
Speaker 1: have worked in both. So like if you wanted, if
Speaker 1: you asked Hector, what do you think of when in
Speaker 1: terms of tone, when you think about like the DC Universe,
Speaker 1: I think, honestly, it's it's if I would explain it
Speaker 1: to regular folks who don't read comics, it is similar
Speaker 1: to like the m C U. There's a bunch of
Speaker 1: different characters, there's a bunch of different genres kind of
Speaker 1: in tone, but ultimately you know what you're getting. It's
Speaker 1: superheroes being superheroes. So Batman still needs to sort of
Speaker 1: fit in that world. And if he goes too dark
Speaker 1: and too serious or too realistic and you move away
Speaker 1: from that, then there's something lost for the character. As well.
Speaker 1: With Christopher Nolan, when he did his movies, he was
Speaker 1: completely separated from the rest of the d C universe.
Speaker 1: They were not concerned with that at all. But I
Speaker 1: think It's still worked because Christopher Nolan and the storytellers
Speaker 1: made it a point to be like, Batman does not
Speaker 1: murder people, he doesn't kill this. He still has a code.
Speaker 1: He still has you know, a very kind of an
Speaker 1: unrealistic superhero e. You know, these these kinds of codes
Speaker 1: real only work in comic book stories because they're supposed
Speaker 1: to you know, be for us or not. It's not
Speaker 1: a real it's not a documentary. You know, if Batman
Speaker 1: were real and criminals were actually afraid of him, he
Speaker 1: would have to be a murderer. He would have to
Speaker 1: be somebody who you know, he would have to be
Speaker 1: somebody who like who like seriously harmed people and like
Speaker 1: and just so it's like so that Batman should never
Speaker 1: be treated as like, well, what if he were real,
Speaker 1: because he's not that escaped, right. I've definitely gotten people
Speaker 1: angry on Twitter by by suggesting that, as you've seen
Speaker 1: sometimes on a troll And I'll just be like, I
Speaker 1: think I've compared him to the not like compared with
Speaker 1: the Punisher, but I was like his body count. Um,
Speaker 1: people like when you bring up the fact, I'm like,
Speaker 1: if he punches a guy off a building, that person
Speaker 1: is dead, like I guess not in cartoon land, but
Speaker 1: like when he leaves someone face down in a puddle,
Speaker 1: that person is dead. You know. Nobody likes to hear that,
Speaker 1: which is fine. I get it. And I just was like,
Speaker 1: I don't understand why you guys can't come to terms
Speaker 1: with this. And I love Batman, you know, I grew
Speaker 1: up like you on Batman, the animated series, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: why is it so bad? And then people explain it
Speaker 1: just that way Hector. They were like, it's so important
Speaker 1: that he doesn't kill like and they were like, why
Speaker 1: why does it have to be like the real world?
Speaker 1: We are saying this is a fantasy world and purposely
Speaker 1: like it, why are you making us make it real?
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, I get it now, like
Speaker 1: the real world, our world, our news is like so
Speaker 1: messed up constantly, and like you're saying, if he were real,
Speaker 1: he would murder a bunch of people, And so I
Speaker 1: get what you're saying is there's no reason he's a fake.
Speaker 1: He's a fictional character, like, just just live in the fantasy. Yeah. Well, uh,
Speaker 1: I think speaking of fantasy, we touched on the animated
Speaker 1: series and I want a pivot to talk about it.
Speaker 1: But let's talk about it right after these messages and
Speaker 1: we're back. What's up, y'all. Welcome back to Near Difficent.
Speaker 1: Got Danny Fernandez, Hector Navarro, and we're talking about the Batman.
Speaker 1: We were just talking about, you know, the different eras
Speaker 1: of the Batman's right into the movies, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I just had some knowledge dropped on me that I
Speaker 1: didn't know that the Batman was wearing some Jordans. I
Speaker 1: think these are sevens, uh for the boots. Actually you
Speaker 1: look more like, yeah, those are sixes. He had the
Speaker 1: sixes on. Uh for those Yeah, because they're the like
Speaker 1: puffy part of the six is a little flattered that
Speaker 1: I'm losing my mind looking at this picture, But I
Speaker 1: feel like they were pretty popular whenever it um came out.
Speaker 1: Yeah you're wearing them, um, Hector, do you want to
Speaker 1: walk people through the Tim Burton Michael Keaton, by the way,
Speaker 1: is my Batman. I'm the one that I remember the
Speaker 1: most at being a kid, aside from Batman Animated series
Speaker 1: was George Clooney. Um, just because he was so hot
Speaker 1: in that moment. He was like so big and so
Speaker 1: was um. The rest of the cast like Arnold and stuff.
Speaker 1: Everybody was like such a big deal. But and I
Speaker 1: had those little burger keen glasses. Was that for the
Speaker 1: other one? Was that for the Val Kilmer one or
Speaker 1: did they do both? Maybe both? Maybe? Anyways, Um, the
Speaker 1: George Clooney one was like huge for me when I
Speaker 1: was little, also had a crush on him. But I
Speaker 1: believe the first one that I saw was Michael Keaton. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course. Well again to to to kind of do
Speaker 1: the big picture like zoom out here. The sixties show
Speaker 1: had gave everybody on the planet uh an idea of
Speaker 1: what Batman could be, a potential Batman, and for years
Speaker 1: most people on Earth believed Batman to be that. And
Speaker 1: it was really those sort of hardcore comic book readers
Speaker 1: and comic book creators themselves, like the Neil Adams and
Speaker 1: and Danny O'Neil that would come on and start writing
Speaker 1: the darker and more interesting, more realistic versions of the character.
Speaker 1: And that led to in the eighties a bunch of
Speaker 1: different things happening. So in eight Superman the movie came
Speaker 1: out and really sort of changed the game and was
Speaker 1: the first modern superhero film, and I almost think of
Speaker 1: it as like the Silver Age of superhero movies, because
Speaker 1: if the Golden Age is everything that came before, all
Speaker 1: of the different movie cereals and you know, different TV
Speaker 1: shows and little movies here and there, Superman was the
Speaker 1: one that brought us an era up to about the
Speaker 1: year two thousand. I feel like it's all the same
Speaker 1: era of superhero movies, like the seventies, eighties and nineties,
Speaker 1: you know that kind of thing, and then two thousand
Speaker 1: with X Men and a little bit before Blade, but
Speaker 1: X Men and Spiderman changed it to like where we
Speaker 1: are today. So Superman the movie came out, and I
Speaker 1: learned this when I had a chance to talk to
Speaker 1: one of the producers of the first Batman movie, Um,
Speaker 1: which was I asked him, did the movie Superman make
Speaker 1: it easier or harder for you to get your movie made?
Speaker 1: And he said harder because everyone expected Superhero to follow
Speaker 1: that mold of the Christopher Reeve really hopeful, really sweet,
Speaker 1: you know, heroic, classic character again kind of mirroring the comics,
Speaker 1: mirroring the comics as to what you know, people may
Speaker 1: have thought so in the eighties. Throughout the late seventies
Speaker 1: and eighties, Michael Us Land and other people were trying
Speaker 1: to make this Batman movie happen, but they were trying
Speaker 1: to bring it back to that old school, darker, uh
Speaker 1: more gothic version of the character. And in the eighties
Speaker 1: some comic book creators felt the same, and you came
Speaker 1: out with a couple of like one two hits. You
Speaker 1: had things like Batman the Killing Joke, which really kind
Speaker 1: of you know, mess people's brains with like how dark
Speaker 1: it potentially was. It was Alan Moore writing that Brian
Speaker 1: Bolland was an artist. Then you had like, uh, Dick
Speaker 1: Grayson becoming Nightwing and transferring from Robin and they brought
Speaker 1: in this new character, and then they killed off the
Speaker 1: character because nobody liked Jason Todd. A lot of the
Speaker 1: creators didn't like him, and apparently a lot of the
Speaker 1: fans didn't like him because he was written to be
Speaker 1: a really like chip on his shoulder type of character
Speaker 1: and it didn't quite click with readers. So they did
Speaker 1: this famous stunt where they in the back pages of
Speaker 1: one of the comics had a not nine hundred number
Speaker 1: that fans could call to decide whether this character is
Speaker 1: going to live or die. After he was like about
Speaker 1: to be killed by the Joker or he was caught
Speaker 1: in an explosion or whatever, and only by like sixty
Speaker 1: votes out of like like nine votes or something did
Speaker 1: the character get voted to die. So then the new
Speaker 1: the news media picked up on that and they're like, wait,
Speaker 1: DC Comics is killing Robin because people didn't know. It
Speaker 1: wasn't the original Robin Dick Grace and that character was
Speaker 1: still alive, and now he was a night Wing and
Speaker 1: now he was on the team Titans. This was a
Speaker 1: new character, but it's still get garnered enough of like
Speaker 1: media attention that the sales were huge, you know, the
Speaker 1: comic book publishers, which don't normally get this kind of attention,
Speaker 1: we're like, whoa this is? This is great and it
Speaker 1: led to good stories where after this Robin Jason Todd died,
Speaker 1: Bruce Wayne, the character was really affected heavily and it
Speaker 1: sort of changed his stories. And then on top of that,
Speaker 1: genius comic book classic creator Frank Miller, who was a
Speaker 1: writer and artist on this piece that he did, was
Speaker 1: about to turn thirty years old back in the eighties,
Speaker 1: if you could believe it, he was only a twenty
Speaker 1: nine year old young man turning thirty, and in his mind,
Speaker 1: the character of Batman had always only been allowed to
Speaker 1: be twenty nine years old, right, d C Comics they
Speaker 1: they've never up to this point, it's kind of unofficially,
Speaker 1: they never really wanted Batman to be too old. They
Speaker 1: wanted to be in the comics. In the comics, I
Speaker 1: mean Adams Batman. But but even the age of Batman
Speaker 1: has always been an interesting thing for fans to sort
Speaker 1: of debate and try to figure out because the comic
Speaker 1: book publisher, d C Comics and various you know, companies
Speaker 1: that have Batman, they don't want him to appear too old.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, he's supposed to have these
Speaker 1: years of history and experience underneath his belt. And Robin
Speaker 1: is supposed to be kind of like a son figure
Speaker 1: but maybe like a younger brother, because it's like, well,
Speaker 1: we don't want Robin to be too too young. Maybe
Speaker 1: he maybe if if Batman's like twenty nine, Robin can
Speaker 1: be like seventeen, you know. So it's even trying to
Speaker 1: figure out the ages is always kind of fun and
Speaker 1: and and and can lead to some interesting stuff. So
Speaker 1: when Frank Miller was really sitting down and thinking about this,
Speaker 1: and he goes, I don't want to be older than Batman.
Speaker 1: Batman has been older than me my whole life. You know.
Speaker 1: It's just like when we're kids and we would look
Speaker 1: up to the Ninja Turtles and then at one point
Speaker 1: we got older than the Ninja Turtles, and now it's weird.
Speaker 1: They were also not teenage. Those were like like thirty
Speaker 1: two year old hurt. So Frank Miller was thinking the
Speaker 1: same thing. He was like, I want to do the
Speaker 1: story of like the last Batman story, or a story
Speaker 1: where he's like a sixty year old guy. So he
Speaker 1: he wrote and drew The Dark Night Returns after he
Speaker 1: had been retired for years in the in the future,
Speaker 1: you know, in a far future, UM this alternate version
Speaker 1: of Batman story and he comes back and he's got
Speaker 1: white hair, and he comes back and he's just big,
Speaker 1: burly dude, and and so much of that influenced a
Speaker 1: lot of what UM ended up becoming a staple and
Speaker 1: like necessary in the world of Batman. And so these
Speaker 1: kinds of comics, right, you've got Batman things like Batman
Speaker 1: You're one, kind of which Frank Miller did a little
Speaker 1: bit before and after The Dark Knight returns um where
Speaker 1: when all of DC Comics was kind of revamping their line,
Speaker 1: They're like, well, let's do a new, more serious origin
Speaker 1: for Batman. So they so Frank Miller again, he wrote
Speaker 1: and a different artist drew Batman Year One, which was
Speaker 1: a huge inspiration for Batman Begins. In fact, that first
Speaker 1: script Batman Begins, I think was originally titled Batman Year one.
Speaker 1: I think so. But back still back in the eighties,
Speaker 1: Batman Year one, Dark Knight Returns, Batman, the Killing Joke,
Speaker 1: Death in the Family. These kinds of comics were really
Speaker 1: changing the game. So when it came time to potentially
Speaker 1: do a Batman film, they helped. They helped influence the creators.
Speaker 1: They helped influence people like Tim Burton, and he was
Speaker 1: brought on as this young up and coming director, and
Speaker 1: and Michael Uselin for years had wanted to get Jack
Speaker 1: Nicholson as the Joker ever since he saw One Fell
Speaker 1: Over the Cuckoo's Nest. And they did it. And I mean,
Speaker 1: you can look up the sort of making of the
Speaker 1: first Batman film and it's really really special and really cool.
Speaker 1: And I know, Danny, you and I watched it maybe
Speaker 1: last year. Did for my movie podcast, and it's like
Speaker 1: so much of it still holds up, but so much
Speaker 1: of it is so interesting because I feel like we've
Speaker 1: moved even so much further in terms of what we
Speaker 1: expect from like a superhero movie. It still felt like
Speaker 1: it was early years, like they're figuring stuff out, you know.
Speaker 1: Not only that, but like the portrayal of women, Yes,
Speaker 1: it's not great. We couldn't do this anymore. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: like very much of course the damsel in distress, the
Speaker 1: like playboy bunny type of you know. But I will
Speaker 1: say to give credit to Michael Keaton, I did believe
Speaker 1: that he was flirtatious and could be in a relationship.
Speaker 1: Like That's another great thing that Michael Keaton brought to
Speaker 1: the role. Is it his Bruce Wayne is not? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so I mean, And in fact, I would love
Speaker 1: it if a comedian could be Bruce Wayne. Like you know,
Speaker 1: there was so much controversy which we've talked about on
Speaker 1: this podcast when he was cast because he was Mr
Speaker 1: Mom and and uh and a comedian, and I think
Speaker 1: that that works super well. Same with all the comedie
Speaker 1: like Jack Nicholson being the joker, you know, and Jim Carrey,
Speaker 1: who I loved as the Riddler, which I guess not
Speaker 1: everyone has, but like, I really like comedy people playing
Speaker 1: these roles because, like you said, it's so dark. I
Speaker 1: also have this theory, Hector, that there's only one hour
Speaker 1: of daylight and Gotham just always nighttime. It's just always
Speaker 1: like that's the difference between the first Batman film and
Speaker 1: the first you know, the Superman early movie series, those
Speaker 1: first four movies with Christopher Reeve. It's like so much
Speaker 1: of Superman is in the daytime, and that's the whole,
Speaker 1: the whole purpose of that. Yeah. Yeah, I'm looking at
Speaker 1: these pictures of him, like these old pictures of him,
Speaker 1: and this jawline is not a year old, okay? Um,
Speaker 1: Like if he hadssted today, he would have a TikTok.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not okay with this. Yeah, world forty I
Speaker 1: mean I love a Batman who is or forty five.
Speaker 1: Like I love that because that just means you can
Speaker 1: have a night Wing who's like thirty two, in a
Speaker 1: in a red Hood who's like thirty, and you know
Speaker 1: Damian Wayne who's like fifteen, and like like I don't
Speaker 1: mind all the years. I don't mind, you know, have characters.
Speaker 1: I don't mind a Superman who looks and acts forty
Speaker 1: five years old, because I think that the dec universe
Speaker 1: is so great that there's so many other legacy characters
Speaker 1: Supergirl and bat Woman and bat Girl, multiple back Girls
Speaker 1: and all these different characters. Who can who can be
Speaker 1: like younger versions of the of the template you know?
Speaker 1: Um So anyway, but back to the Tim Burton movie. One,
Speaker 1: two movies come out, Batman returns, and with these success
Speaker 1: of these movies, Warner Brothers sort of green lights maybe
Speaker 1: doing a new animated show. And they so luckily had
Speaker 1: a bunch of nerds working on animaniacs at the time,
Speaker 1: animaniacs and tiny tunes. Um actually it was tiny tunes.
Speaker 1: It was what it was. And some of those folks
Speaker 1: went to go do Animaniacs, and some of those folks
Speaker 1: went to go do Batman. Then maated series. Bruce Tim
Speaker 1: was sort of creating his own pitch for it with
Speaker 1: other artists, and and the way I like to sum
Speaker 1: up Batman the animated series is if you take the
Speaker 1: eighty years of Batman comic book history, because he premiered
Speaker 1: in thirty eight, so we're we're coming up on I
Speaker 1: don't know. We're now two years past his eightieth anniversary.
Speaker 1: If you took all of those years of comics and
Speaker 1: smushed it again through another meat grinder, but it is
Speaker 1: like a magical meat grinder with a filter that's like
Speaker 1: only the good stuff will come out on the other end.
Speaker 1: What would come out of the other end would be
Speaker 1: Batman the animated series. It is the perfect distillation of
Speaker 1: all of the best aspects of the character, of his world,
Speaker 1: of a supporting cast, of the villains, and of the
Speaker 1: stories and the potential that they could be. And I
Speaker 1: feel like outside of comics, and even better than the comics,
Speaker 1: it is the best entry level for the character and
Speaker 1: it's the best like summary of like, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: what Batman is um because there's been so many, so
Speaker 1: many comics that are great, but there's also years and
Speaker 1: years people You've gotta remember, they come up with a
Speaker 1: new comic book of Batman every single month, multiple in fact,
Speaker 1: he has multiple series Batman Detective Comics, so on and
Speaker 1: so forth. So to to meet that demand. It's like,
Speaker 1: some of the stories are not going to be bangers,
Speaker 1: they're not going to be iconic, they're not going to
Speaker 1: be long lasting, But a lot of them are because
Speaker 1: so many great writers have contributed to the character and
Speaker 1: because his character and his his creation were so strong, um,
Speaker 1: so much of of what's added to the character and
Speaker 1: doesn't like break him, It just kind of adds to
Speaker 1: him and and so he's become stronger for that still.
Speaker 1: But Batman the animated series is like the greatest of
Speaker 1: all time. Yeah, I mean also just like gorgeous, like
Speaker 1: just completely beautiful. Have you seen any or Blue Ray
Speaker 1: or whatever like Green Master did a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: It looks great, it looks so good. No, you can
Speaker 1: let me borrow because I know you own it. I will,
Speaker 1: I can, and I will um okay. So so then
Speaker 1: we're hopping into like kind of all the nineties films,
Speaker 1: and I personally, I've always gone to bat for these
Speaker 1: just because I feel as goofy as they are, as
Speaker 1: much as people have a lot of debate about them,
Speaker 1: because you know, when when Nolan came along, it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a Batman movie, this is how Batman should feel,
Speaker 1: this is who's done Batman right. But like the goofy ones,
Speaker 1: you know, Batman and Robin Batman forever, for me, those
Speaker 1: felt like the comic book like they're colorful, you know,
Speaker 1: we have um poison ivy, like I said, like just
Speaker 1: very outland. And also they scound like comic book characters.
Speaker 1: If you've read comics, they are corny as hell, and
Speaker 1: that's how they sounded in these movies to me. And
Speaker 1: so I really actually enjoyed these a lot, and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't weigh them against the note, Like, I just think
Speaker 1: there's so different ways to do a comic book movie,
Speaker 1: and this is one of those ways. I agree. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interesting you brought up that comparison to because, like
Speaker 1: I love so many things about the Christopher Nolan movies,
Speaker 1: and I love things about the old Batman films of
Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties as well. But like a lot
Speaker 1: of the times, you run into dudes who love the
Speaker 1: Nolan movies and they go, oh, that's Batman, and I go, yeah,
Speaker 1: But there's also things about those movies that almost feel
Speaker 1: embarrassed by the comics that they purposefully avoid as opposed
Speaker 1: to trying to embrace them, you know what I mean. So,
Speaker 1: so if you love the comics, if you're a comic
Speaker 1: book lover, I feel like you can love any version
Speaker 1: of Batman and any movie. But there is a side
Speaker 1: of like, well, do you feel like Christopher Nolan was
Speaker 1: almost insulting us a little bit because it's like he
Speaker 1: avoided trying to even do Robin the Boy Wonder, you know,
Speaker 1: And it's a shame because I think Christopher Nolan is
Speaker 1: so talented as a director and as a storyteller that
Speaker 1: it's like, if anybody were to try to tackle that
Speaker 1: and make it cool, it could have been him. But
Speaker 1: instead he goes, no, that's dumb. I'm never gonna do it. No,
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna do Mr Freeze. No, I'm never gonna
Speaker 1: do you know, Clay Face. No, I'm never gonna do
Speaker 1: Poison Ivy. Those ideas are dumb. They don't work in
Speaker 1: my world. And that's valid and that's cool. But again,
Speaker 1: I'm a comic book lover and I want to see
Speaker 1: the stuff as well, so so you know, I think
Speaker 1: that to to be a Batman fan and to go
Speaker 1: that's the number one top of the mountain, nothing will
Speaker 1: be better. I feel like, well, you're you're still kind
Speaker 1: of missing out on what those kinds of stories and
Speaker 1: characters and stuff can give you. Um, you know what
Speaker 1: I can say on Instagram. I follow so many artists
Speaker 1: highly recommend, like Instagram better, but um, a lot of
Speaker 1: times they'll do an art challenge where it's like draw
Speaker 1: this in your own style, and they'll take a character
Speaker 1: or something and then they'll draw in their art style.
Speaker 1: And that's what I literally feel like all these films are.
Speaker 1: It's like, let's just do Batman, but do it in
Speaker 1: your style or do it in this style, or like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. And I feel kind of, uh, I
Speaker 1: feel like kind of a jerk sometimes too, because because
Speaker 1: I think that that is accurate Danny. And in that sense,
Speaker 1: I'm almost mad because I feel like there's never been
Speaker 1: a true Batman from the comics film in live action yet,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because it has been so
Speaker 1: director driven. It's been so like, no, do do whatever
Speaker 1: you want to, put your own stamp on it, put
Speaker 1: your own stank on it, whatever you want however you
Speaker 1: want to, versus like I love these movies very much
Speaker 1: as well for different reasons. Are like the m CU movies.
Speaker 1: When I watched Aunt Man, I'm not thinking man Peyton
Speaker 1: Reid just wanted to do whatever he wanted to do
Speaker 1: with them. No I'm like, no, this is aunt Man,
Speaker 1: this is this is the character from the comic books,
Speaker 1: or this is Captain America. And they didn't like try
Speaker 1: to get him to fit in a you know, a
Speaker 1: square hole or whatever. They were just like, let's just
Speaker 1: do everything that we can from the from the comic
Speaker 1: books and for better again or for worse, because a
Speaker 1: lot of the m c U movies, you can watch
Speaker 1: them and you go, Okay, who directed that? I forgot
Speaker 1: because you don't sometimes feel the artist or the storyteller
Speaker 1: that's been able to tell the story with those characters,
Speaker 1: because it is so like, no, we gotta stick to
Speaker 1: what our story is gonna be. We're building up to Fanos.
Speaker 1: This is the plan, this is what has to happen
Speaker 1: in this movie. This is the character we're introducing in
Speaker 1: this movie. And the m c U movies I think
Speaker 1: only really work the best. The best when you have
Speaker 1: a director or a writer or both who can play ball,
Speaker 1: who can be like, okay, if this is what you
Speaker 1: want for thor I'm taiko y t t and this
Speaker 1: is my idea for what I want to talk about.
Speaker 1: You know, Okay, cool, We're the Russou brothers and we'll
Speaker 1: play ball and we're gonna do some like awesome action
Speaker 1: movies full of all your favorite character Like that's when
Speaker 1: I think it really really works the best. Or James
Speaker 1: Gunn being able to put so much heart into Guardians
Speaker 1: of the Galaxy that like it's better than any Guardians
Speaker 1: comics I've ever read, you know, because of all that heart.
Speaker 1: So so. On the one hand, I love the Tim
Speaker 1: Burton and Joe Schumacher Batman stuff. It's fun. I love
Speaker 1: the the Christopher Nolan movies. It's intense and serious and cool. Um.
Speaker 1: And I love things about the new DC films, especially
Speaker 1: like Birds of Prey and I really like Shazam, you know,
Speaker 1: and like Wonder Woman. But there's still sometimes this feeling
Speaker 1: of like, man, what are we gonna get? Like the
Speaker 1: proper like just don't don't bring on a director, don't
Speaker 1: wait for a director to have their take. Why isn't
Speaker 1: there somebody over at Warner Brothers is just like, we
Speaker 1: just gotta do this. We gotta do Batman, we gotta
Speaker 1: do Superman. We get you know, we're gotta do all
Speaker 1: these characters to get this all rolling. Um. But you
Speaker 1: know that's that's not there there uh, I guess financial
Speaker 1: concern that's not that's that's not something that they're interested in.
Speaker 1: And hopefully this upcoming Robert Pattinson Matt Reeves Batman movie
Speaker 1: is uh is super cool and I'm sure it's going
Speaker 1: to give me a bunch of stuff that I can't
Speaker 1: wait to see. Um, while still being like, well, that's
Speaker 1: matt Reeves's vision. That's his vision. Again. If I want
Speaker 1: something that's like, what's just the pure like distillation of
Speaker 1: the character, I really do go to Batman, the animated series, Superman,
Speaker 1: Batman Beyond, all the way through Justice League Unlimited. Like
Speaker 1: that to me is like that's DC Comics pure, that's
Speaker 1: DC Comics pure. So, um, we're going to get into
Speaker 1: you kind of touched on the future of Batman, but
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into that right after these messages and
Speaker 1: we are back. So before we hop into the future
Speaker 1: of Batman, we Lego Batman. I think actor you said
Speaker 1: as your favorite Batman I probably is my single favorite,
Speaker 1: like theatrically released Batman film, um, because I think that
Speaker 1: for just like the first Lego movie, for being something
Speaker 1: that's so constrained by like having to be a movie
Speaker 1: about Lego and having to you know, fit into a
Speaker 1: bunch of different categories of like it's a kid's movie,
Speaker 1: it's got this has got to be the running length.
Speaker 1: This has gotta you know, all the stuff that's gotta hit.
Speaker 1: We gotta have some pop songs and all this other
Speaker 1: stuff I think it also has. It's such a wonderful
Speaker 1: love letter to everything Batman and not just Bruce Wayne Batman.
Speaker 1: Like Barbara Gordon by Rosaria Dawson voiced by Rosaria Dawson
Speaker 1: is fantastic, um Robin Dick Grayson voiced by Michael Sarah
Speaker 1: is like hilarious. But also the relationship between Robin and Batman.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's what I want. Now. This is exaggerated
Speaker 1: for sure, but that's what I wanted in a Batman
Speaker 1: movie since Chris O'donnald showed up and I didn't get it.
Speaker 1: You know, this this great like kind of father son
Speaker 1: and it's really weird and warped and funny. And and
Speaker 1: the way that Batman has a relationship with the Joker
Speaker 1: where he's like, I don't I don't I'd like to
Speaker 1: say five a fight around. I don't have one villain.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing multiple bad guys right now, Like, and the
Speaker 1: Joker's heartbroken about it because he's obsessed with Batman. That's
Speaker 1: really what the Joker is. He's obsessed with this guy. Um.
Speaker 1: And there's so many great like just like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: Ray finds as Alfred, Like there's so many just great callbacks,
Speaker 1: and it's this great love letter. It's almost like Spider
Speaker 1: Verse or Spider Verse is such a great story on
Speaker 1: its own, but it's also a great summary of what's
Speaker 1: so good about the character of Spiderman, Like across decades,
Speaker 1: everything that's good about the concept of Spider Man is
Speaker 1: in that movie. Anyone can wear the mask and you
Speaker 1: cut the lego Batman, and I feel the same thing
Speaker 1: with what is so great about Batman, everything that can
Speaker 1: be great about the character. There's little references to it
Speaker 1: and nods to it, and and and just the moment
Speaker 1: where he like shuns his new allies because he fears
Speaker 1: losing another family the way his parents were shot in
Speaker 1: front of him when he was a little baby. Lego,
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's what Batman is all about. And it's
Speaker 1: and I have still wanted to see had in a
Speaker 1: live action movie, and I still haven't gotten it. Um
Speaker 1: that psychology exploration is great. Hector. What I was gonna
Speaker 1: say is, Um, when you started out at the top
Speaker 1: of the podcast, you were saying that you really like
Speaker 1: the stories of self aware Batman that explore like why
Speaker 1: are you this way when you're a billionaire? And I
Speaker 1: felt like Lego Batman was really self aware, like it
Speaker 1: had to make fun of him a ton aside from
Speaker 1: it being a comedy. But like, I think that that's
Speaker 1: why it worked in that world. Of course we're going
Speaker 1: to be making fun of this billionaire. Yeah, and super
Speaker 1: fun and like we said, like it kind of feels
Speaker 1: along the same lines of d C as Shazam. Um,
Speaker 1: just really playful and so I feel like that. But
Speaker 1: could you do that you think in a live action
Speaker 1: Well it depends. It's like I think Shazam is a
Speaker 1: good example. She'sam is something that kind of makes fun
Speaker 1: of itself a little bit, uh, you know, um, while
Speaker 1: still trying to live in a world that is in
Speaker 1: the same movie franchises like Batman Versus Superman, Down of
Speaker 1: Justice and Suicide Squad and and all of these really
Speaker 1: serious and arc edgy movies. But Shazam makes fun of
Speaker 1: its own concept where you know, uh uh. John Mahnsu
Speaker 1: who's the wizard Shazami, is like, say my name Shazam
Speaker 1: and the kid laughs, right seriously, Like that's how you
Speaker 1: have to kind of treat some of these old school
Speaker 1: comic book concepts. And I think that movie gets away
Speaker 1: with it because it's from a kid perspective and all
Speaker 1: the main sort of characters are children. Um. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you could do what is done in Lego
Speaker 1: Batman like to that level in live action without it
Speaker 1: being really like a speed racer colorful, you know, no
Speaker 1: holds barred, sixties psychedelia, explosion of of fun in CG
Speaker 1: and green screen and stuff. But I think that if
Speaker 1: you chip away all of the surface level stuff for
Speaker 1: like the Lego Batman movie, and you try to replicate
Speaker 1: a similar story but with similar character relationships, you could
Speaker 1: do that in live action. You could do to Grayson
Speaker 1: being adopted and this origin of Robin. You could do
Speaker 1: Barbara Gordon being like we don't need to the police
Speaker 1: department doesn't have to work with Batman, you know, and
Speaker 1: then finding her own like vigilante path and how the
Speaker 1: joker is it like that all of that stuff is
Speaker 1: not forced on these characters. That stuff comes from the
Speaker 1: comic book Lord. That stuff comes from those storytellers for
Speaker 1: Lego Batman knowing the world and knowing how to kind
Speaker 1: of play with it. So yeah, before this episode, we
Speaker 1: asked y'all your favorite memories for Batman, and y'all y'all did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: y'all did it. Y'all did it. So I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with this one from Kevin Fox here because uh, I
Speaker 1: actually yeah, this one and we talked about this not
Speaker 1: too long ago, but the Static shot crossover with Batman Beyond,
Speaker 1: so that we meet old Head Static, Batman and Selena
Speaker 1: making out, and Batman returns Bruce and Diana kissing when
Speaker 1: undercover in an alternate universe in Justice League with the
Speaker 1: Justice Lord me Batman and Selena Kyle. Bruce Wayne and
Speaker 1: Selena Kyle. It's like that it's them forever. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Diana getting in there, well yeah, it was that
Speaker 1: that always. I mean we talked about this before, but
Speaker 1: that always just felt like such a weak one to me,
Speaker 1: because it's like it's like the strength is within, you know,
Speaker 1: Bruce soups and and and uh Diana being like friends,
Speaker 1: you know, and like working together, like adding a love
Speaker 1: triangle just seems like you're just doing it because that's
Speaker 1: that's that's what you do when there's two guys in
Speaker 1: a in a lady. But really I feel like they're
Speaker 1: both all all of those people are honor students who
Speaker 1: would totally be like, we've all, you know, sent a
Speaker 1: colleague or something. Oh, what's good And they're like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't sleep with anyone or paid anyone in my
Speaker 1: same scene. And I was like, you know, that's a good,
Speaker 1: hard and fast rule. But also, dang uh, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, Selena actually matches like they're both a dark
Speaker 1: and like willing to kind of get dirty, and not
Speaker 1: that that Wonder Woman isn't, but she's so virtuous and
Speaker 1: like to be honest above him. Yeah, so she Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that I think the only time that the
Speaker 1: Wonder Woman Batman dynamic works romantically as is as well
Speaker 1: in the Justice League cartoon, they never really fully embraced it.
Speaker 1: It was always sort of flirted with. It was flirtation. Um,
Speaker 1: but I think that if you were to explore it's,
Speaker 1: like the only way it works is if you try
Speaker 1: really really hard to make sure to let us know
Speaker 1: Wonder Woman is out of his league, wonder Woman is
Speaker 1: too good for him, and that Bruce Wayne becomes Wonder
Speaker 1: Woman's boyfriend, not that Wonder Woman becomes Batman's girlfriend, because
Speaker 1: that's the tricky thing when you pair those those singular
Speaker 1: characters together, or even when in the comic books Superman
Speaker 1: and wonder Woman dated, it's like, well, does that diminish
Speaker 1: anything from wonder Woman? If you become Superman's girlfriend, doesn't
Speaker 1: take anything away from Superman. And I know the same
Speaker 1: sort of nerd combo was happening with Hulk and Black
Speaker 1: Widow in the m c U movies, and people are like,
Speaker 1: it sucks that Black Widow has to become like the
Speaker 1: Hulk's girlfriend. And it was actor Mark Ruffalo who said
Speaker 1: his own opinion, and he's like, I've always felt like
Speaker 1: it was Bruce Bruce Banner becoming Black Widow's boyfriend, Like
Speaker 1: he you know, he's the one that sort of um
Speaker 1: knows that he is not good enough for her, um
Speaker 1: and uh, And that's how the dynamic is play. Now,
Speaker 1: could those movies have hitted harder? Absolutely? Could any cartoon
Speaker 1: show about Batman and Wonder Woman, you know, do a
Speaker 1: better job, Sure, for sure, But I think that you're right, Danny.
Speaker 1: I think that in in the O T P conversation,
Speaker 1: Batman and Catwoman are the ones who should be kind
Speaker 1: of meant to be together. And that's why I really
Speaker 1: I like that little alternate ending, or at least alternate
Speaker 1: from the comics for the Dark Knight Rises, where Christian
Speaker 1: Bale ends up with Anna Hathaway, like they get to
Speaker 1: they get to be together and kind of retire. And
Speaker 1: because normally Batman does not get that happy ending, you know, normally,
Speaker 1: at least in my brain and heart, Batman Bruce Wayne
Speaker 1: ends up alone, an old man ninety years old. And
Speaker 1: then that's where Terry McGinnis Batman Beyond comes into the picture.
Speaker 1: And that's how that story is sort of yeah, the
Speaker 1: whole thing with that story, right, He's just a lonely boy,
Speaker 1: absolulutely That's that would be like his uh, that's like
Speaker 1: his law again name lonely boy, one lonely boy. Yea
Speaker 1: um okay. So I have this next tweet. It's from
Speaker 1: Alex Kane. It says Snyder's um zero year storyline. I
Speaker 1: got to experience one of the all time great Batman stories,
Speaker 1: as it was happening month by month print issues from
Speaker 1: my favorite comic shop, which is no longer there. Um
Speaker 1: Capulo's art was never better. Those colors were the stuff
Speaker 1: of dreams. Do you remember those? I recently read that
Speaker 1: for the first time and I'm actually in the middle
Speaker 1: of it because it was kind of like a two
Speaker 1: part story. Zero Year is this new take on the origin,
Speaker 1: that is it was happening in comics a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago now, and it takes everything across Batman lore,
Speaker 1: even from like the sixty show and you know, the
Speaker 1: comics and the movies and different things, and tried to
Speaker 1: put it in this new, cool, updated, sleek origin for
Speaker 1: Bruce Wayne and it was dope. Man, it was super
Speaker 1: super cool. So that's really special that that that that
Speaker 1: listener has has that memory of that comic, because Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just read it for the first time and it's
Speaker 1: really good. I need to I need to definitely read that.
Speaker 1: But I think while we're on it, uh and running
Speaker 1: out of time, Uh, maybe we can talk about you know,
Speaker 1: what are what are some what are some Batman reads
Speaker 1: that you recommend that you think, uh, people should definitely
Speaker 1: check out if they want to learn more about the
Speaker 1: doc k not. Well, there's there's a couple, you know,
Speaker 1: just like everything, there's like tears, there's tier levels of
Speaker 1: what's good and you know, you know, and and some
Speaker 1: Batman fans and I don't disagree with this, will say
Speaker 1: any Batman comic is good if you like Batman, you're
Speaker 1: just happy to spend some time with the guy, and
Speaker 1: you know, start anywhere and it's fine. But like, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of great comics that are entry level, um,
Speaker 1: that have been kind of called maybe his first Batman comic,
Speaker 1: which is still fine, things like Batman Hush, Batman Year one,
Speaker 1: The Dark Knight Returns, of course, but The Dark Knight
Speaker 1: Returns I think works even better when you've spent a
Speaker 1: little bit of time with like regular Batman and then
Speaker 1: you get the one where it's like, oh, he's old
Speaker 1: and grizzled and has to come back and it's so cool. Um,
Speaker 1: what else I really like? Honestly, Zero Year, the one
Speaker 1: we just talked about, was very good. To highly recommend
Speaker 1: parts one and two for Zero Year, And in fact,
Speaker 1: some imagery from that were like Batman's on a motorcycle, um,
Speaker 1: and he's got cool little you know, gloves and gauntlets,
Speaker 1: and stuff like some people were saying, that's that could
Speaker 1: be in the new movie. If this new movie, this
Speaker 1: Robert Pattinson movie, is going to be a younger Batman
Speaker 1: or early in his career, maybe a year or two
Speaker 1: into him being Batman, it could pull from a bunch
Speaker 1: of different inspirations, of course, a bunch of different sources.
Speaker 1: And and zero year could be a good one for sure. Oh,
Speaker 1: I like that. I have another tweet I wanted to
Speaker 1: read from a former guest, Tony Sanchez. She was on
Speaker 1: our Our America Chavas episode. She said, when I learned
Speaker 1: that Batman sixty six Joker was a Spanish Cuban actor
Speaker 1: named Caesar Romero, blew my mind. Yep, he didn't want
Speaker 1: to shave his mustache. That guy, which is great, the strength,
Speaker 1: the strimp, the power. Um. Yeah. So so we promised
Speaker 1: that we would talk a tiny bit before we head
Speaker 1: out about the future. So what do we know about
Speaker 1: this Robert Pattinson movie. Well, we we know that Matt
Speaker 1: Reeves has written and directed it. We know that I
Speaker 1: think originally it was supposed to take place in the
Speaker 1: same continuity as the Ben Affleck Batman, and Affleck was
Speaker 1: going to play him, and then people were like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: if he's not gonna do it anymore, if Ben Affleck
Speaker 1: has moved away from because Affleck was going to be
Speaker 1: directing it originally, um and uh and and he even
Speaker 1: had a script that he wrote and and I think
Speaker 1: it was even recently in one of Ben Affleck's like
Speaker 1: interviews that he did with Variety or one of the
Speaker 1: big you know, uh, like entertainment news sites or whatever,
Speaker 1: where one of his friends was like, hey, man, it's
Speaker 1: a great script, but if you do this, it will
Speaker 1: kill you, because the last couple of ones were brutal
Speaker 1: on you, dude, you gotta take care of yourself. Was
Speaker 1: kind of the reason why he walked away from the role. Um. So,
Speaker 1: I don't know how much of that sort of stayed
Speaker 1: with Matt Reeves in his new version of the movie.
Speaker 1: But what we know is this, it's Robert Pattinson. He's
Speaker 1: a young man, a younger version of the character is
Speaker 1: not old and grizzled. I don't know if it's going
Speaker 1: to be set in the past or if it's set
Speaker 1: present day. We know that Paul Dano is playing Edward Enigma,
Speaker 1: not revealed as the Riddler, so he might not be
Speaker 1: the Riddler, but just like the proto version of the Riddler,
Speaker 1: which again he that character. Proto version of the Riddler
Speaker 1: shows up in that comic Zero Year. We know that
Speaker 1: Zoe Kravitz is playing Selina Kyle. Will she dress up
Speaker 1: as catwoman? Who knows? We know that uh Andy Serkis
Speaker 1: is playing Alfred Pennyworth, which is really exciting, which is
Speaker 1: really cool. Jeffrey Wright, who is awesome and y'all shall
Speaker 1: followed him on Twitter. He's righteously angry all the time.
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Wright is playing uh Jim Gordon. And so that
Speaker 1: right there tells you this is not the same continuity
Speaker 1: as the as the previous DC movies because in the
Speaker 1: movie Justice League, j K. Simmons showed up as Jim Gordon. Um,
Speaker 1: he showed up as as the Gordon that was working
Speaker 1: with that Ben Affleck Batman. So this is not the
Speaker 1: same universe. It's a completely new thing. And Michael is
Speaker 1: doing the score. And we got a little teaser that
Speaker 1: with that little like test footage of the costume that
Speaker 1: they revealed it was all red and Robert Pattinson's big
Speaker 1: eyes opened and we're like, WHOA, So that's basically all
Speaker 1: we know about the movie. And they've also postponed or
Speaker 1: posit their production obviously because of coronavirus, and uh don't
Speaker 1: know when they'll pick it up again, so maybe the
Speaker 1: release date will be pushed. Who knows? Wow, is Oneer
Speaker 1: Woman being pushed? Yes, that's that's going to come out
Speaker 1: in August now some you know, I'm saying some stuff
Speaker 1: got pushed, pushed like mulan, who even knows when that's
Speaker 1: coming out? And Fast and Furious five nine f nine
Speaker 1: a year yeah, yeah, and James Bond, Well, Hector, thank
Speaker 1: you for joining us, Thank you so much for having
Speaker 1: me much. I hope I did any kind of justice
Speaker 1: to barely barely barely scratching the surface of the iceberg
Speaker 1: that is Batman. I think we've got just a tip
Speaker 1: of it. Um. But it's always a pleasure to get
Speaker 1: to out with you guys. And and uh, hopefully I
Speaker 1: didn't make too many people. Man, that's impossible. You'll see
Speaker 1: if he you're wrong, you will see Hector. Where can
Speaker 1: everyone find you? You can find me. I'm at home
Speaker 1: every single day now the rest of my life, and
Speaker 1: I'm on Twitter at Hector is funny and I'm on
Speaker 1: Instagram there as well, and uh, you should check out
Speaker 1: d C Daily, where I actually get paid to talk
Speaker 1: about d C stuff with a bunch of cool peeps
Speaker 1: over on on DC Universe. And we have just recently
Speaker 1: set up and have I've been going forward with doing
Speaker 1: DC Daily from our homes, so we're gonna have a
Speaker 1: bunch of new episodes and in fact, our first sort
Speaker 1: of test on this, we just talked about the movie
Speaker 1: Batman Forever. So that's gonna be coming out on on
Speaker 1: Monday as of this recording, two days from now, so
Speaker 1: it might already be out by the time you hear this,
Speaker 1: but you get to go to DC Universe and see
Speaker 1: us from our homes talk about the movie Batman Forever.
Speaker 1: And that was a blast because Batman's great. It's me
Speaker 1: your boy if he if he if you why the
Speaker 1: way on Twitter and Instagram, Uh, if he's on Twitch,
Speaker 1: which you can still see me, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: and of course we have this week we have super Punch,
Speaker 1: so be tuning into that. We're keeping that going luckily
Speaker 1: from home, and you know, uh, wash your hands now.
Speaker 1: I'm at miss Danny Fernandez on all the things. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm really glad that we got this set up. And
Speaker 1: again we're still playing around tinkering around with our recording,
Speaker 1: but thank you to everyone for being patient. We really
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Um as always, you can at Nottificent and uh,
Speaker 1: if you and I and Joel are producer, if you
Speaker 1: have something that you're dying for us to cover, you know,
Speaker 1: if it's something that you feel a lot of people love,
Speaker 1: that would be great. I think sometimes we've gotten hit
Speaker 1: up about like super super super super niche things and
Speaker 1: I'm just like, yeah, um, we'll consider it. Uh, if
Speaker 1: you guys, if if you guys ever end up talking
Speaker 1: about Jackie Chan Adventure hit your boy up, well, that
Speaker 1: actually sounds cool. You know. Some people will talk to
Speaker 1: us about like a board game that like was made
Speaker 1: just in like the year, and I'm like, I mean
Speaker 1: we can explore this lure. I don't know like how
Speaker 1: accessible it is to everybody, but um yeah um, And
Speaker 1: like we always say, stay nerdy,