WEBVTT - #1128: March 17-20, 2006 0:00:00.430 --> 0:00:05.050 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hello. How's it going? I'm Dan. 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:08.119 I'm sitting here. I'm Jordan. 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:09.760 I'm coming to your rescue. 0:00:10.140 --> 0:00:11.920 I'm coming to your rescue right out the gate with 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:14.480 that hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. 0:00:14.580 --> 0:00:17.540 That's a rough start. We're not great improvisers, I think 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:18.380 is the point. 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:19.489 Of that opening. 0:00:20.290 --> 0:00:22.250 This is thoroughly planned out, right, Dan? 0:00:22.590 --> 0:00:24.650 The hey, hey, hey part of it was kind of 0:00:24.730 --> 0:00:27.690 like my brain missing a beat trying to figure out like, 0:00:28.190 --> 0:00:30.830 is this going to go before the theme song, or 0:00:30.850 --> 0:00:32.290 am I going to have to put the theme song 0:00:32.330 --> 0:00:32.870 in later? 0:00:33.190 --> 0:00:33.470 Right. 0:00:33.550 --> 0:00:35.909 And I decided in the moment that this is going 0:00:35.940 --> 0:00:40.200 to go in cold. No theme song, just hey, hey, hey, hey. 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:42.960 I mean, I'm going to be honest with you. 0:00:43.020 --> 0:00:46.500 We've given criticisms about having production meetings in the past, 0:00:46.580 --> 0:00:50.099 and I think maybe we are hypocritical in that regard. 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:52.900 There is a happy medium that we should strike, and 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:58.360 we have failed it. So, Jordan, I'm on the road. Yes, 0:00:58.710 --> 0:00:58.880 you are. 0:00:58.890 --> 0:00:59.840 You don't know where I am. 0:00:59.850 --> 0:01:02.920 I do not. You can see, obviously, I'm in a 0:01:02.980 --> 0:01:06.190 hotel room somewhere. But you don't know. You have no 0:01:06.330 --> 0:01:07.639 idea where I am. 0:01:09.170 --> 0:01:11.950 Well, I mean, just judging from the decor of your 0:01:12.010 --> 0:01:16.060 hotel room, I'd say, first off, America, and second, not 0:01:16.100 --> 0:01:18.020 the richest place in America. 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:20.300 You are right on both counts, and we will get 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:23.880 to that in a moment. So what's going on here 0:01:24.020 --> 0:01:27.360 is that I am taking this road trip, and I'm 0:01:27.420 --> 0:01:30.800 also a lunatic. And so we had planned that we 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:33.770 were going to continue working. I was going to work 0:01:33.830 --> 0:01:37.710 from the road. We'd established... um you know some ways 0:01:37.790 --> 0:01:40.890 to do that getting some other equipment and and all 0:01:40.930 --> 0:01:45.450 that shit but um uh alex has been out of 0:01:45.510 --> 0:01:49.830 studio still so even though i'm on the road trying 0:01:49.910 --> 0:01:54.380 to live live it up go see america i'm being 0:01:54.440 --> 0:02:00.620 annoyed that he's not showing up so i figured like 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:02.730 we're not going to do it a We're not going 0:02:02.750 --> 0:02:05.530 to do an episode about Stuart Rhodes hosting or anything 0:02:05.550 --> 0:02:08.350 like that. We have episodes banked. So we have an 0:02:08.450 --> 0:02:13.400 old 2006 episode that we'll play after this little intro. 0:02:14.980 --> 0:02:19.160 But yeah, it looks bad over there. And I can't 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:21.859 say that it doesn't feel great to be having a 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:28.000 fantastic time personally while Alex is conceivably having the worst 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:28.820 time of his life. 0:02:29.380 --> 0:02:32.540 It is hard for me to conclude anything other than 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:34.680 that he is on a bender right now. 0:02:35.260 --> 0:02:37.710 Based upon all of our previous. 0:02:37.250 --> 0:02:39.510 Interactions with him up until the point when he has 0:02:39.550 --> 0:02:43.970 been gone, they have been dangerously alcohol-induced. 0:02:44.460 --> 0:02:47.419 It's true, but I think the last time I saw 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:52.520 him visually, he was in a room that was suspiciously sterile-looking. 0:02:53.100 --> 0:02:55.889 And I was like, well, maybe that's rehab. Maybe someone 0:02:56.230 --> 0:02:59.410 sent him to a dry-out center or something. 0:02:59.810 --> 0:03:04.090 Or he could be taking out his frustrations Dexter-style. You know, 0:03:04.110 --> 0:03:04.750 you never know. 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:09.040 Maybe he's out finally doing good for once and, I guess, 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:10.180 murdering serial killers? 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:11.220 I don't remember that show. 0:03:11.750 --> 0:03:16.410 He's taken out Carpe Donctum. 0:03:16.550 --> 0:03:21.340 Many have gone missing for their criticisms of Infowars recently. 0:03:21.850 --> 0:03:23.320 Leo Zagami dead. 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:27.460 Now who's the Antichrist going to be? 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:35.530 Yeah, yeah. So I have much to report from the road, Jordan. Yes. 0:03:36.110 --> 0:03:42.620 I think that... I think you made the prediction that 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:47.530 America and not very affluent America. 0:03:48.150 --> 0:03:48.350 Yes. 0:03:49.130 --> 0:03:51.690 And I think you're right. I am in Terre Haute, 0:03:51.850 --> 0:03:53.250 Indiana right now. Okay. 0:03:53.590 --> 0:03:59.530 All right. The highest earth. Sure, that sounds right. 0:04:00.050 --> 0:04:03.680 I think that, yeah. I know a little bit of French, 0:04:03.740 --> 0:04:04.820 and I think that checks out. 0:04:05.100 --> 0:04:05.790 That works for me. 0:04:06.890 --> 0:04:14.050 So yeah, I'm leg two of my journeys. And so 0:04:14.590 --> 0:04:17.589 to give everyone a little bit of a peek behind 0:04:17.630 --> 0:04:22.290 the curtain about the plan of this, I just sat 0:04:22.370 --> 0:04:27.640 on Google Maps and looked around for places that sounded funny. 0:04:28.700 --> 0:04:32.520 And so I ended up just scrolling around on the 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:36.950 map and I saw a town called Aroma Hills. And 0:04:37.010 --> 0:04:40.529 it dawned on me that I had never smelled Aroma Hills. 0:04:41.130 --> 0:04:45.550 And if you see the name, you can't have an 0:04:45.710 --> 0:04:49.470 olfactory memory of it just by looking at the word, 0:04:49.510 --> 0:04:52.390 but you feel like you should. And so I wanted 0:04:52.430 --> 0:04:55.049 to correct that, and I made that the first stop 0:04:55.430 --> 0:04:56.010 of my trip. 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:58.450 Right. I'm going to ask you a question real quick. 0:04:58.490 --> 0:05:00.370 I'm going to interrupt you for a second. 0:05:01.310 --> 0:05:04.250 Do you think it is then necessarily an act of 0:05:04.370 --> 0:05:08.550 violence for them to name it Aroma Hill? I didn't 0:05:08.630 --> 0:05:11.210 do anything to deserve this longing to know what a 0:05:11.270 --> 0:05:14.050 smell of a hill is, and they've just named it 0:05:14.110 --> 0:05:15.370 such to give me that feeling? 0:05:15.410 --> 0:05:16.130 That's bullshit. 0:05:16.550 --> 0:05:19.730 I really think it's an unintended thing. I don't think 0:05:19.770 --> 0:05:22.950 it's an act of violence. I think... I think the 0:05:23.010 --> 0:05:26.940 effect may be violence, but there's no malice in it. Like, 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:30.170 naming it that is not, like, It's not hurtful. Sure. 0:05:30.250 --> 0:05:32.410 I'm just saying people need to think ahead before they 0:05:32.450 --> 0:05:33.330 start naming things. 0:05:33.870 --> 0:05:37.929 Right. Someone weird like me might see the town name. Exactly. 0:05:38.230 --> 0:05:39.229 And then here we are. 0:05:39.250 --> 0:05:42.690 I think 99% of people who would see that town 0:05:42.730 --> 0:05:45.350 name would have no second thought. But for me, it 0:05:45.370 --> 0:05:48.390 was just like, huh, I go smell that place. Right. 0:05:49.070 --> 0:05:52.340 And so that was my plan. That was my first stop. 0:05:53.020 --> 0:05:55.560 And I came up with some other stops. And, um, 0:05:56.380 --> 0:05:59.060 as I was, uh, as I think we mentioned this 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:02.480 in the last episode, I spoke this into reality with my, 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:08.200 my therapist and friends and then you, and I told 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.300 my therapist about my plan just to make sure it 0:06:11.339 --> 0:06:15.320 didn't sound crazy. And he thought it was a great idea. Um, 0:06:16.620 --> 0:06:19.790 and then the next morning he sends me a text saying, 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:23.610 that there had been a tornado that had hit Aroma Hills. 0:06:25.029 --> 0:06:29.070 So I tell you about this coincidence of like, I've 0:06:29.110 --> 0:06:32.510 never heard of fucking Aroma Hills. I tell my therapist 0:06:32.570 --> 0:06:34.850 my plan is to start a road trip, that being 0:06:34.870 --> 0:06:38.580 the first stop. Then there's, he sees a tornado has struck. 0:06:39.300 --> 0:06:42.870 What is this? Is this a sign of something? And 0:06:42.900 --> 0:06:45.070 you managed to convince me a little bit that it 0:06:45.230 --> 0:06:46.609 is Gene Hackian. 0:06:48.490 --> 0:06:52.090 Yeah, you have to. You must go visit after this 0:06:52.150 --> 0:06:53.029 whole situation. 0:06:53.089 --> 0:06:55.210 It is something calling to you. 0:06:57.490 --> 0:06:59.589 Go chase the tornado. It is a metaphor. 0:06:59.650 --> 0:07:02.250 It's like it's fucking Wizard of Ozian. 0:07:02.290 --> 0:07:05.130 It's not just Gene Hackmian. 0:07:05.810 --> 0:07:06.610 Gene Hackmian. 0:07:06.750 --> 0:07:07.370 Hackmian? 0:07:08.070 --> 0:07:11.060 Hackmanian? I think I'm going to go with Hackmian. 0:07:11.620 --> 0:07:16.240 I think they all were. So I got there, and 0:07:17.500 --> 0:07:22.340 my plan initially was that there's a... I was going 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:25.660 to stay in Kankakee, which is just outside Aroma Hills, 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:31.610 and there's an Aroma Hills forest preserve, and I was 0:07:31.630 --> 0:07:33.970 going to wander around there. I was also going to see, 0:07:34.150 --> 0:07:37.270 because this tornado had happened, I was going to see 0:07:38.430 --> 0:07:43.990 what was up. Is there anything... that needs assistance. How 0:07:44.050 --> 0:07:45.290 are they recovering and everything? 0:07:45.810 --> 0:07:47.870 Any elderly celebrities that need help? 0:07:49.810 --> 0:07:50.570 I didn't see any. 0:07:50.890 --> 0:07:52.630 Well, maybe next time. 0:07:53.610 --> 0:07:56.130 It was surprising to me. And granted, I didn't poke 0:07:56.170 --> 0:07:59.070 around and ask too many people, but it seemed like 0:07:59.150 --> 0:08:04.570 there was a phenomenal recovery effort underway. Like, there was 0:08:04.630 --> 0:08:07.570 a lot of trees and branches and stuff, but they 0:08:07.610 --> 0:08:11.030 were all very organized. Like, everything was... Like, it really. 0:08:12.940 --> 0:08:15.570 I don't know. You can see things are wrecked and 0:08:15.590 --> 0:08:18.550 you can see you can see definitely that there is destruction. 0:08:18.570 --> 0:08:21.610 I don't want to like gloss over that and minimize it. 0:08:21.650 --> 0:08:24.390 But there was another end of it, too, that it 0:08:24.430 --> 0:08:27.050 really seemed like people were were helping each other and 0:08:27.070 --> 0:08:30.070 that was in progress. And so there was something pretty 0:08:30.150 --> 0:08:34.060 uplifting about about that. Like you're you're coming into this 0:08:34.100 --> 0:08:38.410 place and you're not just seeing like. Oh, horror. Oh, 0:08:38.450 --> 0:08:41.709 it's awful. It was kind of there's a tinge of 0:08:41.870 --> 0:08:43.680 optimism that came along with it. 0:08:43.950 --> 0:08:45.290 The destruction will come. 0:08:45.370 --> 0:08:48.559 But what is powerful about humanity is the rebuilding that 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:49.260 comes after. 0:08:49.740 --> 0:08:54.640 Yeah. Yeah. But so my biggest plan or point was 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:56.920 that I was going to go to that forest preserve. 0:08:57.860 --> 0:09:00.949 And so I'm I'm heading over there. I'm driving. Yeah. 0:09:01.910 --> 0:09:05.340 The one thing that I ran into that was like 0:09:05.540 --> 0:09:10.800 actual pretty like damage that wasn't fixed was that there 0:09:10.860 --> 0:09:15.330 was a downed power line over the entrance to the 0:09:15.370 --> 0:09:22.730 forest preserve. There was it was just impassable and looked 0:09:22.750 --> 0:09:24.730 like it would probably die if you tried to drive 0:09:24.830 --> 0:09:25.570 over it. Yeah. 0:09:26.990 --> 0:09:30.950 Whether or not you are following the precepts of some 0:09:31.050 --> 0:09:34.980 sort of god or anything, right now it feels more 0:09:35.030 --> 0:09:38.080 like a mischievous leprechaun kind of style thing going on here. 0:09:38.500 --> 0:09:42.000 Like, follow me. Ooh, not too close. That's where I'm 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:43.780 seeing this going. 0:09:44.380 --> 0:09:47.610 How could it be that that place is the one 0:09:47.670 --> 0:09:50.730 place that's basically impassable that I saw in the town, 0:09:51.070 --> 0:09:53.650 and it's the one place that I was set out 0:09:53.690 --> 0:09:53.970 to go? 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:59.010 It's like a video game wall. You're not supposed to 0:09:59.030 --> 0:10:01.360 be able to go there. Perhaps it'll be unlocked when 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:03.320 you level up on the way back. 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:05.020 It's gated content. 0:10:05.340 --> 0:10:05.580 Yep. 0:10:06.050 --> 0:10:08.060 Yeah. That's, that's a good way to think about it. 0:10:08.190 --> 0:10:11.120 I don't have the, uh, the upgrade that I, I 0:10:11.130 --> 0:10:12.480 don't have my booster shoes. 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:14.680 You gotta, you gotta have the shoes to jump the 0:10:14.780 --> 0:10:17.640 power or rubber shoes to keep from getting electrocuted. 0:10:17.660 --> 0:10:18.480 This all makes sense. 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:23.439 Um, so I, uh, just decided like, I'll just go 0:10:23.460 --> 0:10:27.610 somewhere else. I went to the, uh, Kankakee river, uh, 0:10:27.710 --> 0:10:32.990 state park and walked around there. Lovely time. Had a blast. Uh, 0:10:33.590 --> 0:10:37.770 saw some, saw some nature, uh, stood over the river 0:10:37.890 --> 0:10:43.770 and contemplated river shit. Sure, sure. I found a sign 0:10:44.330 --> 0:10:48.210 that said that Sasquatch was around, and then he wasn't. 0:10:48.700 --> 0:10:53.460 Nah, well, I'm fairly certain he's still Pacific Northwestern, so 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:55.360 if he's on a trip at the same time that 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:57.580 you're on a trip, now that's a coincidence. 0:10:57.800 --> 0:10:59.760 I don't think he would have had the time to 0:10:59.940 --> 0:11:03.290 set up that sign that says Bigfoot over there if 0:11:03.330 --> 0:11:05.170 he was just passing through. Like, if he's on a 0:11:05.190 --> 0:11:06.500 road trip, Yeah. 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:09.880 I mean, maybe he's, maybe he's some sort of Johnny 0:11:10.020 --> 0:11:12.950 Bigfoot seed where everywhere he goes, he puts one of 0:11:12.990 --> 0:11:16.020 those signs behind him. So, you know, where he was 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:16.930 along his journey. 0:11:17.270 --> 0:11:17.970 Bigfoot was here. 0:11:18.429 --> 0:11:18.770 Yes. 0:11:18.850 --> 0:11:20.530 Or is it, or is a geocacher? 0:11:21.650 --> 0:11:22.370 That's possible. 0:11:22.429 --> 0:11:22.709 Yeah. 0:11:22.750 --> 0:11:23.470 You never know. 0:11:23.570 --> 0:11:24.870 Flash drives around. 0:11:24.890 --> 0:11:28.110 He's got a little Google camera and this is for 0:11:28.150 --> 0:11:28.670 street view. 0:11:31.830 --> 0:11:36.130 So that aroma Hills was the, uh, jump off or 0:11:36.450 --> 0:11:40.270 the end of leg one and jump off of leg two. 0:11:40.700 --> 0:11:42.160 What's your review of Aroma Hill? 0:11:43.380 --> 0:11:47.300 You know what? As a smell, nothing really notable. 0:11:48.700 --> 0:11:51.200 I feel like the correct answer was it stinks. 0:11:52.020 --> 0:11:54.760 No, it was fine. I think the town was really lovely. 0:11:54.780 --> 0:11:59.560 And I think that there's something inspiring about people working 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:03.490 together to build back from a natural disaster. 0:12:03.809 --> 0:12:03.989 Sure. 0:12:04.500 --> 0:12:08.600 But, you know, the Kankakee River was was lovely. And 0:12:09.059 --> 0:12:13.260 I found a beaver den. I found a little hidden 0:12:13.300 --> 0:12:17.890 beaver den from poking around. And I also I was 0:12:17.990 --> 0:12:22.650 on one trail and I I I had I had 0:12:23.130 --> 0:12:26.230 this might be a segment for my trips by my 0:12:26.290 --> 0:12:28.750 road reports. All right. 0:12:28.770 --> 0:12:28.829 Is. 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:32.120 Thought that seems profound, but probably isn't. 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:37.469 All right. I suspect a jingle in our future for 0:12:37.510 --> 0:12:38.230 the segment. 0:12:39.070 --> 0:12:43.010 I saw like a guy coming out of the woods. Right. 0:12:43.770 --> 0:12:46.310 And I was not scared of him at all. And 0:12:46.330 --> 0:12:52.670 I realized that I'm a very panicky, like scared person generally. Okay. 0:12:52.750 --> 0:12:55.930 But in the woods, in the middle of nowhere, if 0:12:55.990 --> 0:12:59.290 you see someone, they're not a threat to you. Hmm. 0:12:59.809 --> 0:13:03.260 They if someone wants to hurt you, you're probably not 0:13:03.300 --> 0:13:07.160 going to see them. So if you see somebody, they 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:12.160 clearly don't mind you seeing them. So don't be scared 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:14.580 of them. And while you're at it, if someone is 0:13:14.620 --> 0:13:17.089 going to hurt you, they probably are going to do 0:13:17.130 --> 0:13:18.750 it in a way that you're never going to see coming. 0:13:18.809 --> 0:13:19.970 So don't worry about that either. 0:13:20.330 --> 0:13:21.550 Probably. Sure. 0:13:21.590 --> 0:13:25.190 So I suppose maybe wear a paper plate on the 0:13:25.210 --> 0:13:26.870 back of your head with a set of eyes just 0:13:26.929 --> 0:13:27.290 in case. 0:13:27.350 --> 0:13:27.510 Right. 0:13:28.010 --> 0:13:31.929 Can't hurt. Can't hurt. You know, like, as a sort 0:13:31.980 --> 0:13:36.380 of paranoid, jittery person, it was a nice little, like, hey, 0:13:36.460 --> 0:13:38.920 whatever is going to attack you probably isn't, you're never 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.360 going to see it. And if you do see people, 0:13:42.820 --> 0:13:45.590 go ahead and be nice to them. They're probably, they 0:13:45.730 --> 0:13:47.270 can't possibly want to hurt you. 0:13:47.590 --> 0:13:48.589 Can I pitch you on this? 0:13:49.390 --> 0:13:50.260 Let me take that back. I. 0:13:52.830 --> 0:13:54.750 Maybe this isn't universalizable. 0:13:54.830 --> 0:13:57.210 Let me just throw this out there for you. And 0:13:57.250 --> 0:13:59.880 you can take it or leave it however that you desire. 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.420 But you are, and I think we both know this, 0:14:02.940 --> 0:14:04.520 a very hirsute man. 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:05.640 True. 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:10.120 I believe that in a woodsy encounter, you perhaps feel 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:14.460 more in your element if I was an observer walking in. 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:16.500 I don't look like I'm supposed to be in the woods. 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.260 But you've got some lumberjack vibes to you. 0:14:19.940 --> 0:14:24.110 Yeah, there's a privilege, certainly, to my being a thick 0:14:24.470 --> 0:14:26.530 man of hair. 0:14:26.550 --> 0:14:32.590 A hairy, thick man. 0:14:32.750 --> 0:14:37.580 Certainly, I'm not someone's first target. Maybe people in the 0:14:37.620 --> 0:14:41.979 woods aren't safe. Look, my point is, I was trying 0:14:42.020 --> 0:14:44.440 to be reassuring. It turns out the segment's a bust 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:48.369 because the profound thing, I have totally backtracked on it 0:14:48.650 --> 0:14:50.080 immediately just by saying it. 0:14:50.530 --> 0:14:53.890 Well, I feel like this is a very, I only 0:14:53.930 --> 0:14:57.530 have to be faster than you kind of situation, right? Like, 0:14:57.710 --> 0:15:00.830 if you're walking around in the woods, you only have 0:15:00.870 --> 0:15:03.250 to be less of a target than somebody who's very 0:15:03.390 --> 0:15:04.590 easily a target, you know? 0:15:04.610 --> 0:15:09.530 Hmm. So you should bring someone along. Absolutely. A forest 0:15:09.590 --> 0:15:10.930 buddy who's like a dud. 0:15:10.950 --> 0:15:17.180 I would suggest a thin, unathletic person to keep with you. 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.540 All right. 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:20.060 All right. 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:24.400 So I took off from Aroma Hills, and I had 0:15:24.420 --> 0:15:29.000 a good time. It was nice, and a lot of 0:15:29.100 --> 0:15:33.730 what I was looking for, no complaints. But then I 0:15:33.790 --> 0:15:37.630 took off for my second destination, and I'm about to 0:15:37.670 --> 0:15:42.840 send you a picture, Jordan, that you can... I'd like 0:15:42.860 --> 0:15:46.200 you to describe to the listeners here. 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.620 I'll do my best. Oh, man. 0:15:50.020 --> 0:15:53.450 You know, I find it very interesting that we live 0:15:53.470 --> 0:15:55.170 in a time where you can text me something and 0:15:55.190 --> 0:15:56.150 I get it instantly. 0:15:56.270 --> 0:15:57.710 That's kind of fucking weird, right? 0:15:58.410 --> 0:15:59.590 It's been like that for a while. 0:16:00.130 --> 0:16:00.570 I know. 0:16:00.830 --> 0:16:04.050 What is that? It is Dan giving a thumbs up 0:16:04.170 --> 0:16:07.240 to a... I mean, it looks like it's striped like 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:10.020 a tiger, but it's got to be a mountain lion, right? 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:11.620 Who has a tiger? 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.660 Oh, this is an illegal tiger. Are you hanging out 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:16.800 with an illegal tiger? Is that what's happening? 0:16:17.250 --> 0:16:20.150 Well, we should take the illegal out of the equation. 0:16:20.290 --> 0:16:23.450 That is a tiger. All right. There is a tiger 0:16:23.530 --> 0:16:24.110 in a cage. 0:16:25.370 --> 0:16:28.960 I watched Tiger King, so I'm guessing that it's super illegal. 0:16:29.420 --> 0:16:36.180 Well, actually, these people, it's an exotic cat rescue in 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:41.280 Central Park. Outside Centerpoint, Indiana. 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:42.020 Okay. 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:46.790 And I decided that was the second stop of my 0:16:47.190 --> 0:16:49.870 trip because I wanted to check it out. I wanted 0:16:49.910 --> 0:16:52.890 to see. I love, obviously, I love cats. Sure. And 0:16:53.620 --> 0:16:59.160 I thought it would be really interesting to see these tigers. And, oh, 0:16:59.220 --> 0:16:59.620 it was. 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:00.180 Yeah? 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:01.300 Oh, man. Oh, man. 0:17:01.340 --> 0:17:01.500 Nice. 0:17:02.140 --> 0:17:06.100 They have a guided tour that they take you on 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:10.570 of the facility, because the facility itself is an active 0:17:10.660 --> 0:17:14.929 working rescue, where they take in cats from people who 0:17:14.970 --> 0:17:18.689 try to illegally own them as pets. I think they 0:17:18.750 --> 0:17:22.030 actually even did say that they had taken some from... 0:17:22.609 --> 0:17:23.010 They had a. 0:17:22.970 --> 0:17:24.109 Couple of tiger Kings. 0:17:24.230 --> 0:17:24.889 Yeah. Yeah. 0:17:24.930 --> 0:17:26.450 They had a couple of tiger Kings. Yeah. 0:17:26.530 --> 0:17:30.510 Also, also, uh, animals who are like used in movies 0:17:30.750 --> 0:17:33.230 and then don't have a home going can take care 0:17:33.270 --> 0:17:36.070 of them. So they have, I think he said something 0:17:36.090 --> 0:17:39.330 to the effect of like 200 something animals that are 0:17:39.850 --> 0:17:45.970 cared for on this, uh, this refuge. And man, what 0:17:46.230 --> 0:17:48.600 a fucking nuts thing. 0:17:48.619 --> 0:17:49.350 Um, Yeah. 0:17:49.590 --> 0:17:53.390 These cats are huge. And you're right next to them. 0:17:53.830 --> 0:18:00.030 Like I was feet away from tigers, lions. 0:18:00.630 --> 0:18:00.870 Yeah. 0:18:01.510 --> 0:18:04.950 Five minutes into being there, we're walking down a trail 0:18:05.710 --> 0:18:09.490 and these two lions start growling at each other. And 0:18:09.510 --> 0:18:15.010 I can't tell you like how it felt in my chest. Like. 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:19.220 you could feel the vibration of these. 0:18:20.930 --> 0:18:26.129 You, you, you felt the evolutionary history of 200, 200,000 0:18:26.130 --> 0:18:28.810 years of most of the time being terrified of giant cats. 0:18:29.109 --> 0:18:29.389 Yeah. 0:18:29.690 --> 0:18:32.970 Yeah. And I, I, I don't know if I'm proud 0:18:33.070 --> 0:18:36.750 that this is exactly my first thought, but my first 0:18:36.770 --> 0:18:39.679 thought was like, Hey, you can eat me. That's fine. If, 0:18:39.859 --> 0:18:41.760 if this is what's going to kill me, that's fine. 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:46.139 I was at peace with the idea. Then I started 0:18:46.180 --> 0:18:48.959 to think about what goes into A Lion Killing Me, 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:50.380 which would be a lot of tearing. 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:52.860 It would be a real bummer for a while. 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:53.920 Yeah, yeah. 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.810 That part I wasn't cool with. But just as a concept, 0:18:57.170 --> 0:18:58.140 A Lion Eating Me.... 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.550 I mean, I think, I think the, the don't, don't 0:19:02.570 --> 0:19:04.570 we go into shock, you know, like we see the 0:19:04.609 --> 0:19:06.830 body doing all the screaming and all that stuff, but 0:19:06.950 --> 0:19:09.310 because of the way our brains work, they just shut off. 0:19:09.369 --> 0:19:12.430 So you'd probably just die without even knowing. Well, I mean, 0:19:12.510 --> 0:19:14.170 after you die, you would have no idea. 0:19:14.890 --> 0:19:17.149 That it really hurt i have no idea and i 0:19:17.170 --> 0:19:19.050 think a lot of those i always feel like those 0:19:19.090 --> 0:19:22.170 stories are just meant to reassure us you know like 0:19:23.390 --> 0:19:26.970 the sheep we're just being reassured oh the lions won't 0:19:27.070 --> 0:19:30.530 eat you don't you you won't feel it you'll be 0:19:30.890 --> 0:19:34.470 fine anybody who could refute that is probably dead. 0:19:34.570 --> 0:19:36.850 So there is it is uh it is a fairly 0:19:36.990 --> 0:19:38.450 easy to solve problem isn't. 0:19:38.310 --> 0:19:44.510 It yeah Yeah, so it was wonderful. It was a really, 0:19:44.890 --> 0:19:52.720 really great time. Yeah. They they have foxes and skunks. 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:55.379 The skunks didn't come out of hiding, which is probably 0:19:55.400 --> 0:20:02.139 good because I freaked them out. Yeah. But yeah, I can't. 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:06.600 You know, you see animals in the zoo and they're. 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:13.470 bummed out they seem incredibly miserable yeah and these animals 0:20:13.630 --> 0:20:16.030 obviously it would be better if they were in nature 0:20:16.770 --> 0:20:20.850 maybe although natural habitats are eroding and you know under 0:20:20.890 --> 0:20:24.580 attack yeah maybe it wouldn't but leaving that aside a 0:20:24.619 --> 0:20:27.960 lot of them were raised in places that make them 0:20:28.580 --> 0:20:32.520 very difficult to reintegrate into the wild and to the 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:35.899 extent that they can be they seem pretty happy and 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:39.780 like The tour guide, when he was walking around, he 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:43.560 went up to the tiger cages and was petting them 0:20:43.660 --> 0:20:47.139 through the gate, like the fence. And they were rubbing 0:20:47.220 --> 0:20:51.530 up against the fence affectionately. It just reminded me of Selene. 0:20:51.950 --> 0:20:54.950 There were so many behaviors that were just like, okay, 0:20:55.390 --> 0:20:59.370 this is a 300-pound murder machine, but it also has 0:20:59.430 --> 0:21:03.280 the same tendencies as my tabby. 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:08.890 Yeah, I mean, there's... Like, okay, there's no consciousness that 0:21:08.970 --> 0:21:12.030 says they know how large or small they are. They're 0:21:12.070 --> 0:21:15.850 just cats, you know? Like, that's why Selene, if Selene 0:21:15.869 --> 0:21:19.560 was large, would just jump on you. In the same way, 0:21:19.580 --> 0:21:20.560 you would just be crushed. 0:21:21.060 --> 0:21:22.340 Yeah. 0:21:22.660 --> 0:21:25.100 Yeah, they're all just cats in the same size, right? 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:26.580 Or in a different size. 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:29.940 And that's what the guy was saying, too, is like this. 0:21:30.300 --> 0:21:33.830 There's probably they're really sweet, but it probably kill you 0:21:33.910 --> 0:21:34.750 just by accident. 0:21:35.030 --> 0:21:36.550 Right. It would be playing with you. 0:21:36.570 --> 0:21:37.270 Yeah. 0:21:37.470 --> 0:21:41.190 They just break its toy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that 0:21:41.250 --> 0:21:42.060 kind of was a bummer. 0:21:44.220 --> 0:21:46.480 Well, you know, here's what I'm thinking, right? 0:21:46.820 --> 0:21:49.260 It's a bummer that they're being mistreated right now, but 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:51.960 what's important is that some of them make it through 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:54.160 because they'll have their time again. 0:21:54.740 --> 0:21:56.740 Humans aren't going to be on top for the rest 0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:57.360 of time. 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:00.860 So you got to figure eventually there'll be something that 0:22:00.900 --> 0:22:03.840 messes us up and then the cats, boom, right back 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:04.340 on top. 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:12.910 Hold on now. I... am not certain that we could 0:22:12.950 --> 0:22:15.430 ever say there was a time when cats were on top. 0:22:17.609 --> 0:22:19.850 I think the best, if I looked at the history, 0:22:19.970 --> 0:22:23.990 the best they've ever had was probably Egypt and humans 0:22:24.030 --> 0:22:26.409 were still on top there. They just worshiped cats. 0:22:26.790 --> 0:22:29.670 Sure. I mean, I don't know. Maybe they're on top 0:22:29.710 --> 0:22:31.970 right now. They seem to be doing pretty well for themselves. 0:22:32.500 --> 0:22:36.960 The smaller ones at least. Yeah, absolutely. They'll grow eventually. 0:22:37.380 --> 0:22:39.820 Yeah, they've insinuated themselves into our lives to the point 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:42.260 where we no longer think them a threat. And that's 0:22:42.300 --> 0:22:42.960 a strategy. 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:44.330 Yeah. 0:22:44.380 --> 0:22:49.330 Maybe eventually they're like goldfish. As we diminish, they will expand. 0:22:49.690 --> 0:22:52.850 And then house cats will become house people. We'll be 0:22:52.910 --> 0:22:56.290 small little people for their giant... I don't know if I'm. 0:22:56.250 --> 0:22:57.659 Going to stick by that one. I don't know if 0:22:57.690 --> 0:22:58.580 that one's going to work out. 0:22:59.040 --> 0:22:59.560 I'd be careful. 0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:03.640 I tread carefully. I don't think I'm going to let. 0:23:04.180 --> 0:23:08.460 I'll hang with that one. So, yeah, I think, you know, 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:11.909 it's always really difficult to, you know, go to a 0:23:11.950 --> 0:23:15.990 place and know exactly, like, is this the coolest thing? 0:23:16.830 --> 0:23:21.130 But I definitely got the sense that I was glad 0:23:21.150 --> 0:23:23.389 that they were doing the work that they're doing and 0:23:23.430 --> 0:23:27.180 taking care of those animals. And, like, it seemed like 0:23:27.220 --> 0:23:34.760 a pretty... positive thing all around. Everyone was really nice. Um, and, uh, God, just, 0:23:34.820 --> 0:23:36.619 just a hoot, just a hoot. 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:37.980 Just a hoot. 0:23:38.420 --> 0:23:39.440 Well, that's fantastic. 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:42.500 No, I was a, well, I mean, maybe there were 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:44.700 at one point in time, but then, you know, I 0:23:44.740 --> 0:23:46.740 imagine large cats don't truck with that. 0:23:47.330 --> 0:23:47.629 No. 0:23:47.930 --> 0:23:50.109 And they can hang up in trees high enough to 0:23:50.450 --> 0:23:51.230 handle the business. 0:23:51.450 --> 0:23:55.180 You know, we have propaganda films that tell us, like, 0:23:55.680 --> 0:23:58.359 Tigger can hang out with Owl. 0:23:58.940 --> 0:23:59.160 Right. 0:23:59.220 --> 0:24:00.070 And that's not true. 0:24:00.910 --> 0:24:03.869 Well, I believe I watched the staircase, and I believe 0:24:03.910 --> 0:24:06.609 that there was an owl murder in that, or potentially. 0:24:06.650 --> 0:24:09.760 But not with a cat. That was just a human. 0:24:09.780 --> 0:24:12.120 That's true. That's true. Just a human. 0:24:13.260 --> 0:24:17.720 So this guy who's given me the tour, I had 0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:23.030 a moment that, like, fucking blew my mind. So we're, like, 0:24:23.090 --> 0:24:26.149 three-quarters of the way through the tour or so. And 0:24:27.130 --> 0:24:31.730 he is an awesome older dude. Jim Bakery in, in 0:24:31.790 --> 0:24:35.050 some ways physically, but not, not like as a character 0:24:35.130 --> 0:24:39.350 or a person. Um, but he, he was, uh, he's 0:24:39.390 --> 0:24:43.050 talking to me about telling me the stories of these 0:24:43.109 --> 0:24:47.130 cats and, uh, it's just a blast. Uh, he's been 0:24:47.170 --> 0:24:50.020 like in the cat game or taking care of cats 0:24:50.100 --> 0:24:55.760 since the sixties. And, um, we get to, uh, where 0:24:56.400 --> 0:24:59.440 our path is going one way, uh, And then the 0:24:59.500 --> 0:25:02.400 people feeding the cats are going the other way. 0:25:02.760 --> 0:25:02.980 Okay. 0:25:03.020 --> 0:25:04.040 So we're going to intersect. 0:25:04.420 --> 0:25:04.580 Right. 0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:08.050 We happen to intersect just after they've fed a leopard, 0:25:08.810 --> 0:25:12.510 an old leopard. And when I say old, I mean, 0:25:12.550 --> 0:25:14.930 it's still, it's like a big ass leopard that looks 0:25:14.950 --> 0:25:15.650 scary as shit. 0:25:15.950 --> 0:25:16.230 Sure. 0:25:17.030 --> 0:25:20.030 Um, one of the people who's in the feeding group 0:25:20.490 --> 0:25:24.429 is like, she needs to take her meds. And so he, 0:25:24.740 --> 0:25:28.320 my tour guide, gets a chunk of meat that has 0:25:28.380 --> 0:25:34.139 the meds, goes in the cage, ends up trying to 0:25:34.260 --> 0:25:38.760 give the meat to the leopard who has retreated inside 0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:42.280 his little nook. So now he's gone into the nook 0:25:42.859 --> 0:25:48.720 and is basically inside a clubhouse, a little tiny clubhouse 0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:52.720 with the leopard, giving it the meat with the medicine 0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:55.550 on it. Yeah. I think he knows what he's doing. 0:25:55.640 --> 0:25:59.189 He's responsible. He's not taking any like real dangers. I'm 0:25:59.210 --> 0:25:59.770 not worried. 0:26:00.210 --> 0:26:00.390 Sure. 0:26:00.410 --> 0:26:05.170 Then his phone rings and I'm thinking my heart would 0:26:05.230 --> 0:26:08.540 stop if I'm this guy. I'm in an enclosed space 0:26:08.580 --> 0:26:13.420 with a leopard and my phone rings. He's totally chill 0:26:13.460 --> 0:26:15.859 about it. Yeah. Take takes the call. 0:26:18.369 --> 0:26:20.630 Well, I mean, you know, it's not like going to 0:26:20.690 --> 0:26:23.090 the gorilla cage in the zoo or anything like that. 0:26:23.130 --> 0:26:25.840 He's just known this cat for probably its whole life. 0:26:26.420 --> 0:26:28.380 This cat and him are probably buds. 0:26:29.420 --> 0:26:33.140 Yeah. And I get that the cat's old, too. So 0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:36.740 maybe that factors into it. But like it just you 0:26:36.820 --> 0:26:40.600 still get scared of the instincts that it might have. 0:26:43.180 --> 0:26:46.160 I trusted like that. He knew what he was doing. 0:26:46.590 --> 0:26:48.580 But at the same time, there was a split second 0:26:48.660 --> 0:26:52.679 of me thinking like, mm-mm. wrong day, wrong day for 0:26:52.700 --> 0:26:54.179 me to visit. No, no, no, no. 0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:56.220 Yeah. You know, I'll say this. 0:26:56.480 --> 0:27:00.560 Anybody who's done something for 60 years, anytime I've interacted 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:03.560 somebody with that amount of experience, I've seen them do 0:27:03.859 --> 0:27:06.480 things that I would describe as extremely dangerous with a 0:27:06.619 --> 0:27:10.770 lot of laissez-faire kind of vibes about them. 0:27:10.790 --> 0:27:13.889 It's true. So, you know, he's been doing it for 0:27:13.930 --> 0:27:14.370 a long time. 0:27:14.530 --> 0:27:17.530 If he were scared or if there was going to 0:27:17.570 --> 0:27:20.270 be a problem, he probably would already be dead by now. 0:27:20.670 --> 0:27:24.380 Right. Yeah. But that day has to come. You know, 0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:26.920 like you say that he would be dead already. At 0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:30.220 some point that day happened. You know, like I agree 0:27:30.260 --> 0:27:34.429 with you almost 100 percent that like people who have 0:27:34.450 --> 0:27:36.450 been doing things for a long time, you see them 0:27:36.490 --> 0:27:39.669 do reckless shit and they get away with it. But 0:27:39.710 --> 0:27:43.949 they also, also, like, luck runs out. And I was 0:27:43.990 --> 0:27:46.410 so scared that I was there, like, at the moment 0:27:46.450 --> 0:27:49.090 that luck ran out and a leopard was going to attack. 0:27:49.550 --> 0:27:52.810 And the fact that it didn't was so nice. 0:27:52.830 --> 0:27:56.100 Do you become a cat rescue shelter because you want 0:27:56.119 --> 0:27:58.119 to die sleeping in your bed? 0:27:58.700 --> 0:27:59.740 No, my friend. 0:28:00.260 --> 0:28:02.440 At the end of your days, you want to feed 0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:04.440 those cats with what's left of you. 0:28:05.140 --> 0:28:06.680 He's lived a long life. 0:28:06.740 --> 0:28:09.580 He's ready to make the future happen for the next 0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:11.469 generation of cats and cat people. 0:28:11.930 --> 0:28:14.949 Feed me to the feed me to the lions, he says. 0:28:16.130 --> 0:28:16.409 He's 85. 0:28:16.410 --> 0:28:19.750 Hey, you got to go. 0:28:20.770 --> 0:28:22.930 You're going to go sooner or later. There's nothing there's 0:28:22.970 --> 0:28:24.040 nothing you can do about that. 0:28:24.380 --> 0:28:26.000 There's something kind of beautiful about it. 0:28:26.490 --> 0:28:28.609 Yeah, drink me up and feed me to the cats. 0:28:29.310 --> 0:28:32.330 But we did finish the tour, so I left him 0:28:32.790 --> 0:28:33.710 quite alive still. 0:28:33.730 --> 0:28:36.410 Still alive, good. That's good news. That's good news. 0:28:36.810 --> 0:28:40.300 Yeah, but just, it was a great, it was a great, 0:28:42.020 --> 0:28:45.880 you know, I think that Oroma Hills obviously was blocked 0:28:46.020 --> 0:28:49.160 off that forest preserve, but the river was still great. 0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:53.190 But as a, like an idea of, This being one 0:28:53.210 --> 0:28:55.430 of the stops, I'm so glad I went to that. 0:28:55.970 --> 0:28:57.130 I'm so glad that's there. 0:28:57.890 --> 0:29:01.050 I take it you're enjoying this a great deal more 0:29:01.090 --> 0:29:04.770 than any sort of tourism kind of thing. Like, you know, 0:29:04.930 --> 0:29:07.770 obviously my wife and I, we've gone to other countries 0:29:07.810 --> 0:29:09.710 and we've done like zip lining and shit like that, 0:29:09.750 --> 0:29:13.450 where there's a tour group, where there's lines of people. 0:29:13.530 --> 0:29:16.090 I'm assuming that this is much more your style. 0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:20.580 Yeah, definitely. Like I'm I'm one of the things I'm 0:29:20.620 --> 0:29:24.580 finding I really enjoy is like driving on country roads 0:29:25.420 --> 0:29:29.250 like just that is because that that shit is there 0:29:29.530 --> 0:29:32.910 all the time. And we it's just out of out 0:29:32.930 --> 0:29:36.170 of sight, out of mind. It's so calm and peaceful 0:29:36.450 --> 0:29:41.330 and like just, you know, it. we are a part 0:29:41.370 --> 0:29:42.790 of nature, right? 0:29:43.390 --> 0:29:43.730 All right. 0:29:43.790 --> 0:29:47.370 Now that is a profound thought that may be on 0:29:47.410 --> 0:29:48.630 further reflection. 0:29:49.130 --> 0:29:52.600 Let's get the jingle. No, but we're a part of 0:29:52.650 --> 0:29:57.080 nature and a certain amount of agriculture is a product 0:29:57.140 --> 0:30:01.709 of our nature developing. And so it still is. It 0:30:01.770 --> 0:30:04.830 still feels like part. It's not as it's not as 0:30:05.010 --> 0:30:07.690 wild and untouched as like the woods or whatever. But 0:30:07.730 --> 0:30:11.550 it still feels like outside of maybe like a big 0:30:11.710 --> 0:30:14.910 agra or something like, you know, obviously a giant factory 0:30:14.970 --> 0:30:18.310 farm or something isn't going to scratch the same little place. 0:30:18.430 --> 0:30:21.930 But sure. But, you know. Some of these country roads, 0:30:21.970 --> 0:30:26.740 you see crops and stuff, and it's very calming in 0:30:26.780 --> 0:30:28.300 a strange way. 0:30:28.420 --> 0:30:31.680 Yeah, I can see that. How do you feel about 0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:33.580 being gone? You've been gone for a few days. 0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:38.300 Are you thinking, ah, maybe I'm missing home, or are 0:30:38.340 --> 0:30:40.810 you just ready to see the open road in front 0:30:40.850 --> 0:30:41.070 of you? 0:30:41.890 --> 0:30:46.410 Well, it's a mixed bag a little bit. I think 0:30:46.510 --> 0:30:52.710 I miss you and I miss Selene. Miss this. We're 0:30:52.750 --> 0:30:56.410 coming up on. Oh, it's Wednesday today. I'm going to 0:30:56.430 --> 0:30:59.420 miss movie time with Angela Lampsberry. 0:30:59.540 --> 0:31:00.180 That's true. 0:31:00.260 --> 0:31:05.440 That's true. And so people I miss people some. And 0:31:05.500 --> 0:31:08.920 I count Celine as a person, strangely, but like I don't. 0:31:10.100 --> 0:31:14.420 I don't miss Chicago at all. 0:31:15.260 --> 0:31:15.980 I believe you. 0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:18.440 Don't get me wrong. There's nothing wrong with it. I 0:31:18.460 --> 0:31:21.580 don't hate it or anything. but I'm not eager to 0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:27.680 get back to, um, like a city environment. Yeah. I don't, 0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:32.940 I don't know what that's going to manifest into, but, uh, yeah, I, I, um, 0:31:33.610 --> 0:31:37.090 just to like fill in people who haven't Jordan and 0:31:37.110 --> 0:31:40.290 I've talked about this privately, but my plan was there's 0:31:40.350 --> 0:31:44.130 three stops that I'm going to make and then reevaluate 0:31:44.170 --> 0:31:46.390 along the way. whether or not I was going to 0:31:46.430 --> 0:31:51.130 keep going and just keep exploring and see what I find. Um, 0:31:51.410 --> 0:31:53.630 and at this point I do feel like I'm going 0:31:53.650 --> 0:31:55.550 to go further. Okay. 0:31:56.090 --> 0:31:56.590 All right. 0:31:56.610 --> 0:32:00.620 I think, yeah, I think I'm definitely, I found a 0:32:00.660 --> 0:32:04.360 fourth stop that I think would be fun. So there's 0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:08.240 at least that. So we're, we're recording in the morning 0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:11.640 on Wednesday and I'm about to take off on leg three. 0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:14.330 And I believe there will be a leg four. 0:32:14.790 --> 0:32:19.390 Wow. Wow. That's, that's good to hear. I'm excited by that. 0:32:19.470 --> 0:32:23.030 There's, you know, there's always the concern that maybe, uh, 0:32:23.970 --> 0:32:27.740 one wants something in idea and then in practice, very 0:32:27.800 --> 0:32:30.500 much not the case, uh, which can be disappointing. 0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:31.160 Sure. 0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:32.020 There can just be the. 0:32:32.100 --> 0:32:34.760 Like, uh, a little bit more fear than you were 0:32:34.820 --> 0:32:38.200 expecting and that can draw you back and that's disappointing, 0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:40.590 but that you're ready to spread those wings and move 0:32:40.690 --> 0:32:41.530 on to another stop. 0:32:41.870 --> 0:32:44.170 That's exciting. It is. It is. 0:32:44.330 --> 0:32:45.750 And I'm. 0:32:46.810 --> 0:32:47.130 Yeah. 0:32:47.610 --> 0:32:47.870 Yeah. 0:32:47.890 --> 0:32:51.470 I'm cognizant of the fact that I need to be 0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:55.560 aware that I have to get back. So like, you know, 0:32:56.140 --> 0:32:57.880 as much as I'm like, hey, a fourth leg would 0:32:57.900 --> 0:33:01.380 be great. I'm also like, well, OK, then that also 0:33:01.500 --> 0:33:04.410 means you're committing to it taking longer to get back. Right. 0:33:05.070 --> 0:33:07.770 But that's OK. I think that's OK. I'm that my 0:33:07.810 --> 0:33:11.830 head space is is there for that. And, uh, yeah, 0:33:11.890 --> 0:33:12.730 I don't, I'm not sure. 0:33:13.030 --> 0:33:13.390 I'm not sure. 0:33:13.510 --> 0:33:14.650 I like that. I'm not sure. 0:33:15.250 --> 0:33:15.490 Yeah. 0:33:16.190 --> 0:33:20.740 I wonder if anyone ever would have swum across the channel, uh, 0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:23.660 if they had to swim to get back, you know 0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:25.459 what I mean? Like you, if you got to do 0:33:25.510 --> 0:33:27.630 it once, that's an achievement, but knowing you got to 0:33:27.670 --> 0:33:29.890 swim to on the, the whole thing on the way back. 0:33:30.230 --> 0:33:31.510 Nah, that's, that's too much. 0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:34.750 Are you talking talking like at the beginning of the beach? 0:33:35.970 --> 0:33:36.350 Yeah. 0:33:37.050 --> 0:33:39.770 Richard Etienne and Francoise have to swim to the beach. 0:33:40.130 --> 0:33:42.750 Yeah, exactly. That kind of thing. You're going to tire 0:33:42.810 --> 0:33:43.510 yourself out. 0:33:43.590 --> 0:33:45.070 So you got to you got to make sure that 0:33:45.090 --> 0:33:47.600 you plan for the appropriate travel time. 0:33:49.180 --> 0:33:52.020 It's kind of appropriate because I'm on the on a 0:33:52.060 --> 0:33:54.960 travel thing here. But I did read the beach recently 0:33:54.980 --> 0:33:58.040 and then I watched the movie the other night and 0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:00.790 I'm mad at the movie. We don't have to get 0:34:00.830 --> 0:34:04.820 into it, but I'm mad at the movie. 0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:10.940 Just driving through the woods angry at the beach. Danny Boyle. 0:34:11.820 --> 0:34:13.780 Is this your fault? Whose fault is this? 0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:15.180 Whose fault is this? 0:34:15.700 --> 0:34:18.669 I like his work. I like 28 Days Later so much. 0:34:19.530 --> 0:34:21.830 And that was him and Garland, and Garland wrote the beat. 0:34:21.870 --> 0:34:22.310 What the hell? 0:34:22.370 --> 0:34:22.990 What happened? 0:34:23.710 --> 0:34:25.930 All right, you've had two experiences now. 0:34:26.910 --> 0:34:31.370 Without telling us what your next experience is planned to be, how. 0:34:30.989 --> 0:34:33.799 About tell me what your hope for the next experience is. 0:34:33.820 --> 0:34:40.580 You've had the sniff of a post-tornado rebuilding project. 0:34:40.940 --> 0:34:42.780 You've, you've seen giant cats. 0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:45.720 You've met people who care for them in the woods, 0:34:45.780 --> 0:34:49.799 just neglecting all forms of, uh, society to, to care 0:34:49.860 --> 0:34:51.620 for animals that cannot care for themselves. 0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:54.500 All right, come on. I'm exaggerating it. This is a, 0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:56.980 this is a show. Okay. For God's sake. 0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:01.120 So tell me what experience you want on the next leg. 0:35:01.580 --> 0:35:04.540 Well, the next, the next leg without giving away anything, 0:35:04.580 --> 0:35:07.420 because I, uh, uh, the element of surprise is important 0:35:07.460 --> 0:35:07.739 for you. 0:35:07.780 --> 0:35:08.120 Of course. 0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:12.740 Um, I think it's just stupid. I hope it's stupid. 0:35:13.450 --> 0:35:16.330 That that's the, I'm looking, I'm looking. 0:35:16.350 --> 0:35:17.650 So you're headed to an Applebee's. 0:35:18.850 --> 0:35:21.649 I might as well. Honestly. I mean, like it's, it's 0:35:21.730 --> 0:35:27.090 not that, but I think it'll be stupid. And then 0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:30.959 that's what I'm looking forward to. Um, but also actually 0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:32.140 I had a third experience. 0:35:32.500 --> 0:35:32.780 Okay. 0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:36.339 We didn't get to. All right. Um, I took that 0:35:36.420 --> 0:35:40.690 tour of the, uh, the cat park. in the early 0:35:40.770 --> 0:35:45.890 afternoon yesterday. And then I had time, you know, that 0:35:46.550 --> 0:35:49.540 I could have done stuff. I was thinking about going 0:35:49.660 --> 0:35:55.540 to another forest preserve or something, but then I realized 0:35:55.660 --> 0:35:57.980 that I'm in Terre Haute, right? 0:35:58.000 --> 0:35:58.930 Sure. 0:35:59.739 --> 0:36:00.750 You know what's in Terre Haute? 0:36:01.250 --> 0:36:02.169 Absolutely not. 0:36:02.989 --> 0:36:03.850 There's a casino. 0:36:04.830 --> 0:36:07.690 Oh, okay, okay. All right, you gambled. 0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:08.839 Yeah. 0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:09.910 All right. 0:36:10.430 --> 0:36:13.660 I decided that the way that I would put it 0:36:13.780 --> 0:36:18.020 is this trip is, it's not all just, like, me 0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:22.739 trying to descend into, like, a primitive nature form of myself. Sure. 0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:27.279 It's expressing and following things that I really like and 0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:30.620 have liked and things that, like, connect with my heart 0:36:30.739 --> 0:36:34.160 in some way. And, you know, the woods is that. 0:36:34.620 --> 0:36:35.859 Big-ass cats is that. 0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:35.960 Yeah. 0:36:36.670 --> 0:36:39.200 Trying to smell a city is that because it's fucking dumb. 0:36:39.219 --> 0:36:39.939 Right. 0:36:40.340 --> 0:36:45.060 And like poker is something that I fucking loved when 0:36:45.100 --> 0:36:48.359 I was younger. Great. In college days, me and Nikki 0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:51.800 Gifts would go out to the bars that bar poker 0:36:51.940 --> 0:36:55.259 during the poker boom. And we would play like two, 0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:58.120 three nights a week. Sometimes we would be out at 0:36:58.200 --> 0:37:01.379 the at the bars. We'd run into the same people 0:37:01.510 --> 0:37:05.239 who we had strong opinions of, even though they were strangers. 0:37:05.260 --> 0:37:09.580 So very important Chris Moneymaker was to the poker community 0:37:09.620 --> 0:37:10.540 in that time period. 0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:13.690 This is a little after Moneymaker, but he kicked it off. 0:37:13.950 --> 0:37:14.670 He kicked it off. 0:37:14.969 --> 0:37:17.510 Yep. This is around the time of like the magician 0:37:17.610 --> 0:37:19.430 Antonio Esfandiari. 0:37:19.510 --> 0:37:19.610 Yes. 0:37:20.469 --> 0:37:23.870 The magician. Daniel Negreanu. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:37:24.070 --> 0:37:27.569 Phil Hellmuth, the bad boy of, I don't know what 0:37:27.610 --> 0:37:27.989 he does. 0:37:28.300 --> 0:37:30.779 Him and Mike Matusow would yell at each other all 0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:32.240 the time. The bad boys. 0:37:32.739 --> 0:37:35.080 I would give anything to not remember these names. 0:37:35.140 --> 0:37:37.480 There are so many important things that are gone inside 0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:41.520 my brain, yet somehow fucking Phil Hellmuth lives up there. 0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:44.460 Yeah, Jennifer Tilly would show up and play. 0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:47.819 Really great in The Nice Guy. 0:37:48.790 --> 0:37:49.410 Seed. 0:37:49.550 --> 0:37:52.370 That was another guy. Phil Ivey. Man, I remember all 0:37:52.390 --> 0:37:53.870 of these fucking poker players. Yep. 0:37:54.210 --> 0:37:56.270 I don't know why. I don't know why. There was 0:37:56.330 --> 0:37:56.649 a time. 0:37:57.660 --> 0:38:01.160 Um, so I, I went to the Terre Haute casino 0:38:02.140 --> 0:38:05.219 and they had, they have a poker room and, uh, 0:38:05.300 --> 0:38:08.760 just playing some poker. And, uh, I didn't, I, I, 0:38:09.830 --> 0:38:12.830 I lost, I didn't lose a lot. I lost even 0:38:12.950 --> 0:38:15.690 half of the amount that I had set aside as like, 0:38:16.030 --> 0:38:18.509 this is the fun money for like a night at 0:38:18.550 --> 0:38:19.150 the casino. 0:38:19.469 --> 0:38:19.689 Right. 0:38:19.710 --> 0:38:23.690 So I left, I left before I had even lost the, 0:38:23.890 --> 0:38:26.730 the nut or whatever. Cause I just, I bought in 0:38:26.790 --> 0:38:31.450 for half of what I like would accept losing and 0:38:31.550 --> 0:38:34.160 sat at the table and like the people were just 0:38:34.300 --> 0:38:38.549 really nice. Like, Some of them were friends and clearly 0:38:38.590 --> 0:38:41.549 had like a poker scene. Yeah, they were very welcoming. 0:38:41.650 --> 0:38:46.250 And like it wasn't a like sharky kind of situation 0:38:46.790 --> 0:38:49.390 where people were trying to like gun for each other. 0:38:49.410 --> 0:38:52.920 It felt like obviously you want to win pots and 0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:56.620 you want to win money. Sure, it's poker. Yeah, it 0:38:56.719 --> 0:39:01.140 also felt kind of like a house game where people are, 0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:03.680 you do want to just see some cards sometimes. 0:39:03.739 --> 0:39:06.799 Sure, absolutely. Let's play this bad hand just to see 0:39:06.860 --> 0:39:09.800 if the luck hits. Why not? Yeah. 0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:12.299 As much as like, you know, I don't know who 0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:15.440 any of these people are. They're in a casino in 0:39:15.860 --> 0:39:20.239 Terre Haute, Indiana on a Tuesday night. So who knows? 0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:27.150 But it just seemed like, They all they all were nice. 0:39:27.969 --> 0:39:28.750 And that was nice. 0:39:29.390 --> 0:39:29.730 Nice. 0:39:30.430 --> 0:39:31.910 I didn't I didn't sit down and be like, I 0:39:31.969 --> 0:39:34.250 fucking hate this guy. There wasn't one person at the 0:39:34.290 --> 0:39:37.219 table who I'm like, I wish they weren't there. It 0:39:37.260 --> 0:39:41.320 was just all pleasant, like as a facsimile of a 0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:45.210 social thing. I know it's not real. None of us 0:39:45.230 --> 0:39:46.589 will probably ever see each other again. 0:39:46.950 --> 0:39:47.390 Right. 0:39:47.650 --> 0:39:49.029 Except them. They will see each other. 0:39:49.950 --> 0:39:52.930 They'll be there on Tuesday for a long time to come. 0:39:53.330 --> 0:39:53.710 Yeah. 0:39:53.969 --> 0:39:56.549 But for me, they, you know, they welcomed me in 0:39:56.750 --> 0:40:01.490 graciously and, and we joked around and like, it was, 0:40:02.410 --> 0:40:02.730 it was a. 0:40:02.710 --> 0:40:03.229 Lot of fun. 0:40:03.510 --> 0:40:07.489 It was, uh, it, it, it did scratch an itch and, uh, 0:40:08.370 --> 0:40:13.450 I lost my last hand and I was totally fine 0:40:13.469 --> 0:40:16.489 with it and happy. And, you know, hey, fun playing 0:40:16.510 --> 0:40:19.470 with you guys. Thanks for letting me and took off. And, 0:40:19.530 --> 0:40:21.140 you know, like I. 0:40:21.060 --> 0:40:24.480 Just I like, you know, it points something out to me. 0:40:24.580 --> 0:40:27.460 What I'm hearing, what I'm hearing from you is that 0:40:27.700 --> 0:40:31.420 based on this trip, it's something that we never remember. 0:40:31.500 --> 0:40:33.900 It's something that we keep away from ourselves is. 0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:36.339 That it takes a lot of work to to get 0:40:36.739 --> 0:40:40.259 people on reality TV who will behave like assholes. It 0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:45.240 takes an algorithm, it takes an entire corporation funneling assholes 0:40:45.340 --> 0:40:47.820 on social media to get those assholes there. 0:40:48.700 --> 0:40:53.880 Most people. The massive majority of people are one exactly 0:40:53.940 --> 0:40:56.680 like you. And you're really nice. So, so are they. 0:40:57.340 --> 0:41:00.180 And I think I think that the other thing, too, 0:41:00.219 --> 0:41:04.640 about that is that I think that every not everybody, 0:41:04.700 --> 0:41:06.870 but most people want to have fun. 0:41:07.450 --> 0:41:07.689 Yeah. 0:41:08.230 --> 0:41:09.810 And I'm going to die. Have fun. 0:41:10.370 --> 0:41:12.089 And I think that a lot of people are not. 0:41:12.790 --> 0:41:15.290 like they, they feel like it's not safe to have 0:41:15.410 --> 0:41:18.190 fun with other people and they keep a guard up. 0:41:18.890 --> 0:41:21.150 And I think that that it gets in the way 0:41:21.390 --> 0:41:22.930 of people being able to have fun. 0:41:23.350 --> 0:41:23.589 Sure. 0:41:24.570 --> 0:41:29.340 Uh, this is another profound thought that probably isn't profound, 0:41:29.380 --> 0:41:32.020 which will be the theme of this, uh, this road trip. 0:41:32.260 --> 0:41:35.960 You know, if you read eat, pray, love. Now you're like, yeah, yeah, 0:41:36.180 --> 0:41:38.140 I got it. Yeah. Traveling. It's fun. 0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:39.100 Yeah. 0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:42.620 It is, but it's not just the traveling of it. 0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:44.270 But it is something about it. 0:41:44.620 --> 0:41:45.900 Sure. 0:41:46.620 --> 0:41:52.719 So yeah, I took off and I, you know, went home. 0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:58.009 Went back to the hotel. I don't think I've ever 0:41:58.110 --> 0:42:04.770 been to a casino and not drank or not stayed 0:42:05.210 --> 0:42:09.430 way too long. And there was something very nice about 0:42:10.050 --> 0:42:13.160 being able to walk out at like 1030 and be like, 0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:15.899 I had a very pleasant time. I lost a little 0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:18.940 bit of money, but I had a very pleasant time 0:42:19.060 --> 0:42:23.529 with some strangers and I can, I can, uh, I could, 0:42:24.370 --> 0:42:25.170 I could be fine with that. 0:42:25.940 --> 0:42:29.660 I remember being young, looking at older people doing stuff 0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:32.180 like that, thinking, ah, those idiots, they don't even know 0:42:32.219 --> 0:42:33.700 how to have fun anymore. 0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:36.300 Now it is a delight. 0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:39.140 It is the most fun thing in the world to 0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:42.910 be home safe without any kind of problems. 0:42:43.660 --> 0:42:43.890 Yeah. 0:42:44.450 --> 0:42:46.590 Or to just have, you know, you don't need an 0:42:46.650 --> 0:42:48.710 extreme experience. Just have an experience. 0:42:49.910 --> 0:42:50.750 Have a pleasant time. 0:42:51.150 --> 0:42:51.410 Yeah. 0:42:51.430 --> 0:42:51.509 Yeah. 0:42:51.969 --> 0:42:54.570 Yeah. So that's kind of, you know, looping back to 0:42:54.590 --> 0:42:57.860 your question, that's kind of what I'm hoping. Whatever this 0:42:57.890 --> 0:43:01.460 third leg, I hope it's stupid, but I also hope 0:43:01.500 --> 0:43:02.000 it's pleasant. 0:43:02.180 --> 0:43:07.620 I hope it's... I think we're all wishing that it 0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:10.319 continues to be pleasant for you. I think we're all 0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:13.190 excited that you are doing this. I think this is 0:43:13.250 --> 0:43:16.410 kind of a big step for you. And, you know, 0:43:16.469 --> 0:43:18.190 the future is uncertain, so this could be. 0:43:18.170 --> 0:43:20.590 Something that helps propel you forward. 0:43:21.070 --> 0:43:23.589 Sure. And I wanted to address one thing. I did 0:43:23.630 --> 0:43:26.880 see one comment that I thought was really a good point. 0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:30.480 And that is Dan chose the exact wrong time to 0:43:30.520 --> 0:43:34.040 do this. With the, you know, like gas prices and stuff. 0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:34.400 Right. 0:43:34.620 --> 0:43:40.060 Yeah. And I would like to say correct. However, part 0:43:40.100 --> 0:43:45.569 of my calculation was that there's such an uncertainty with 0:43:45.620 --> 0:43:48.270 the way the world looks right now that six months 0:43:48.310 --> 0:43:50.549 from now, I think I might not be able to 0:43:50.590 --> 0:43:54.610 do this period. Right. Whereas now it's a burden and 0:43:54.690 --> 0:43:58.550 it's more expensive than it would be like in normal times. 0:43:58.710 --> 0:44:02.140 But maybe I couldn't do this later. And I would 0:44:02.180 --> 0:44:07.279 kick myself if I didn't, when I had an opportunity, 0:44:07.380 --> 0:44:08.160 even if it's a pain. 0:44:09.180 --> 0:44:11.360 Now that's something that actually is profound. 0:44:11.930 --> 0:44:12.470 Thank you. 0:44:12.780 --> 0:44:14.090 Yes. 0:44:14.690 --> 0:44:17.090 I have more deep thoughts that I will ruminate on 0:44:17.150 --> 0:44:22.290 my drive to Destination 3. Excellent. But we will, yeah, 0:44:22.390 --> 0:44:25.750 we'll check in. I'll send you some dumb pictures. 0:44:26.030 --> 0:44:26.410 Of course. 0:44:27.430 --> 0:44:31.110 And, yeah, I'll post those pictures with the tiger, too, 0:44:31.310 --> 0:44:32.609 because people deserve to see that. 0:44:33.110 --> 0:44:33.630 Wonderful. 0:44:34.270 --> 0:44:37.129 But, Jordan, so lovely to see you. 0:44:37.730 --> 0:44:40.430 Always pleasant. I've been missing you. I'm glad to see 0:44:40.469 --> 0:44:42.770 you enjoying yourself. It's only been two days. Oh, come on. 0:44:42.790 --> 0:44:44.030 You're traveling. You're gone. 0:44:44.070 --> 0:44:44.350 Come on. 0:44:44.370 --> 0:44:45.029 We do what we do. 0:44:45.489 --> 0:44:45.759 Sure. 0:44:45.780 --> 0:44:46.970 Yeah. 0:44:47.550 --> 0:44:50.720 Now people get to enjoy an episode of our show 0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:56.759 covering some time from 2006. Uh, so enjoy that and, uh, 0:44:56.820 --> 0:44:58.520 we'll check back in with you from the road and 0:44:59.260 --> 0:45:01.140 see if Alex, uh, is dead. 0:45:01.580 --> 0:45:04.739 No. 0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:15.509 <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL>. 0:45:19.260 --> 0:45:22.469 Dan and Jordan, I am sweating. 0:45:22.530 --> 0:45:23.690 Knowledgefight.com. 0:45:23.750 --> 0:45:27.089 It's time to pray. I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. 0:45:27.350 --> 0:45:28.250 Knowledge Fight. 0:45:28.469 --> 0:45:30.570 I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, 0:45:30.590 --> 0:45:32.190 saying we are the bad guys. 0:45:32.250 --> 0:45:33.190 Knowledge Fight. 0:45:33.250 --> 0:45:34.250 Dan and Jordan. 0:45:34.370 --> 0:45:35.390 Knowledge Fight. 0:45:35.469 --> 0:45:43.650 Need, need money. Andy in Kansas. 0:45:44.190 --> 0:45:45.320 Andy in Kansas. 0:45:45.530 --> 0:45:46.020 Stop it. 0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:46.860 Andy in Kansas. 0:45:47.000 --> 0:45:47.720 Andy in Kansas. 0:45:47.739 --> 0:45:48.620 Andy. 0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:50.180 It's time to pray. 0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:51.280 Andy in Kansas. 0:45:51.300 --> 0:45:52.359 You're on the air. Thanks for holding. 0:45:53.469 --> 0:45:54.430 I'm a big Tim Cullen. 0:45:54.510 --> 0:45:55.190 I'm a huge fan. 0:45:55.210 --> 0:45:55.850 I love your work. 0:45:56.270 --> 0:45:58.930 Knowledge Fight. 0:45:58.950 --> 0:46:00.149 KnowledgeFight.com. 0:46:00.850 --> 0:46:02.069 I love you. 0:46:02.330 --> 0:46:04.489 Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. 0:46:04.550 --> 0:46:04.910 I'm Dan. 0:46:04.930 --> 0:46:05.469 I'm Jordan. 0:46:05.630 --> 0:46:07.649 We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship 0:46:07.690 --> 0:46:09.450 at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit 0:46:09.469 --> 0:46:10.710 about Alex Jones. 0:46:11.030 --> 0:46:12.630 Oh, indeed we are, Dan. 0:46:12.670 --> 0:46:12.990 Jordan. 0:46:13.010 --> 0:46:14.810 Dan. Jordan. Quick question for you. 0:46:14.820 --> 0:46:15.110 What's up? 0:46:15.219 --> 0:46:16.140 What's your bright spot today, buddy? 0:46:16.180 --> 0:46:18.960 My bright spot today is, you know what? It's March, 0:46:19.020 --> 0:46:20.720 so I'm going for a blah, blah, blah tradition. 0:46:20.820 --> 0:46:20.960 Yep. 0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:24.980 Enough with the Survivor, right? I mean, we've talked about 0:46:25.000 --> 0:46:26.420 Survivor too much. 0:46:26.860 --> 0:46:29.439 You've hit the beat a few times. We're like five 0:46:29.460 --> 0:46:31.540 or six more before Rake Effect kicks back in. 0:46:31.660 --> 0:46:34.060 Yeah, I don't want to get there. Maybe I'll bring 0:46:34.080 --> 0:46:35.640 it back up down the road, but I just don't 0:46:35.660 --> 0:46:37.350 have enough thoughts about it, honestly. 0:46:37.450 --> 0:46:38.069 Not a bad idea. 0:46:38.170 --> 0:46:40.230 And I did have a bright spot that is worth sharing. 0:46:40.330 --> 0:46:40.610 Okay. 0:46:40.810 --> 0:46:43.770 And that is I got a pack of Nutella ice 0:46:43.810 --> 0:46:44.510 cream cones. 0:46:44.770 --> 0:46:45.090 Okay. 0:46:45.110 --> 0:46:48.969 You can get them at local grocers. Sure, sure. I'm 0:46:49.010 --> 0:46:52.339 sure various drug. 0:46:52.060 --> 0:46:54.020 Stores, wherever groceries are sold. 0:46:54.520 --> 0:46:56.219 Um, I got them and I was very worried because 0:46:56.260 --> 0:46:59.820 I've seen Nutella used in other applications. Yeah. Sometimes it 0:46:59.860 --> 0:47:04.110 just doesn't incorrectly. Yeah. This hit so hard. Nice. It 0:47:04.190 --> 0:47:07.410 was really good. Yeah. The texture and the flavor of 0:47:07.469 --> 0:47:12.920 Nutella blended well with the vanilla ice cream. Yeah. Solid. Solid. 0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:14.280 8.5 to 9 out of 10. 0:47:14.280 --> 0:47:15.020 Dang! 0:47:15.100 --> 0:47:15.920 It's very good. 0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:16.660 Dang! 0:47:16.700 --> 0:47:18.020 And I want to go buy another box. 0:47:18.120 --> 0:47:18.600 Damn! 0:47:19.020 --> 0:47:20.700 So, good stuff. 0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:22.280 That is a bright spot. 0:47:22.340 --> 0:47:24.279 I ate two when I opened the box. 0:47:24.300 --> 0:47:24.560 You ate two? 0:47:24.590 --> 0:47:25.359 Because I was like this. 0:47:25.830 --> 0:47:26.350 Right away. 0:47:26.370 --> 0:47:28.550 One good turn means another. 0:47:28.910 --> 0:47:30.290 Chomp, chomp, chomp. That's the stuff. 0:47:30.330 --> 0:47:32.370 You know it's good whenever you're like, well, I think 0:47:32.390 --> 0:47:34.009 I'm going to have to do that exactly now. 0:47:34.170 --> 0:47:37.109 I shouldn't, but I must try another to make sure 0:47:37.130 --> 0:47:39.009 it's as good as I think it is. Absolutely. Absolutely. 0:47:39.290 --> 0:47:40.510 And it stood up to scrutiny. 0:47:40.730 --> 0:47:44.759 It's like how Douglas Adams described drinking. You send the 0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:46.839 second one down to check and see how the first 0:47:46.920 --> 0:47:48.920 one's doing. And before they get there, you got to 0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:50.660 send a third down to go after both of them. 0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:54.620 I could have had a third one. I stopped myself, 0:47:55.460 --> 0:47:57.540 but I could have. Anyway, what's your bright spot? 0:47:57.940 --> 0:48:01.640 My bright spot is, well, I'll finish up with my 0:48:01.680 --> 0:48:02.780 world baseball classic. 0:48:02.960 --> 0:48:06.790 Crack of the bat. The old Mighty Ducks won. 0:48:07.530 --> 0:48:11.670 So Venezuela defeated the United States in the championship game. 0:48:11.850 --> 0:48:15.810 Ironic. Fantastic. It was a really great game. It was 0:48:15.870 --> 0:48:16.770 great for baseball. 0:48:16.810 --> 0:48:17.830 Did they free Maduro? 0:48:18.550 --> 0:48:20.940 That's what I'm saying. The Mighty Ducks won. 0:48:20.960 --> 0:48:24.480 Like, it doesn't get more Mighty Ducks than that. Like, 0:48:24.500 --> 0:48:27.919 I'm not rooting for the U.S. over Venezuela. I'm rooting 0:48:27.940 --> 0:48:28.900 for Venezuela. 0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:32.149 Fucking, if you're rooting for Iceland in the Mighty Ducks, too, 0:48:32.370 --> 0:48:33.090 you're insane. 0:48:33.370 --> 0:48:38.390 It is a very funny underdog kind of story, given 0:48:38.469 --> 0:48:39.870 the world. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:48:40.050 --> 0:48:42.649 It could only have been better if it was Iran. Like, 0:48:42.730 --> 0:48:44.069 it would have been there. 0:48:44.090 --> 0:48:44.570 Wow. 0:48:44.650 --> 0:48:46.529 Like, if Iran wins the World. 0:48:46.270 --> 0:48:49.160 Cup in Mexico, you know, as opposed to not being 0:48:49.200 --> 0:48:49.970 allowed to play. 0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:51.100 Because Trump threatened them. 0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:53.800 Was it close? 0:48:54.560 --> 0:48:54.859 Oh, yeah. 0:48:54.900 --> 0:48:55.680 Three to two. Ooh. 0:48:56.380 --> 0:48:59.399 Almost bryce harper almost won it in the eighth hit 0:48:59.440 --> 0:49:02.140 a two run home run two to one then in 0:49:02.219 --> 0:49:03.000 the ninth. 0:49:02.860 --> 0:49:05.650 They venezuela pulled it off it was awesome it was 0:49:05.670 --> 0:49:05.990 a great. 0:49:05.870 --> 0:49:07.589 Game you kind of get the feeling that they could 0:49:07.610 --> 0:49:09.910 have won if shohei wasn't playing for japan. 0:49:10.870 --> 0:49:14.089 Uh do who who venezuela beat japan. 0:49:13.989 --> 0:49:16.850 No if uh if he was on team america oh 0:49:16.950 --> 0:49:19.710 yeah they could have pulled off the venezuela game. 0:49:19.460 --> 0:49:20.240 Yeah yeah yeah. 0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:22.739 Well, I mean, but what's great about it is that 0:49:23.560 --> 0:49:25.730 for baseball, baseball is a dumb game. 0:49:25.790 --> 0:49:28.629 It doesn't make sense. So it doesn't matter if you're 0:49:28.670 --> 0:49:29.390 the best team. 0:49:29.750 --> 0:49:33.290 It's so fucking random that it has very little effect 0:49:33.350 --> 0:49:35.899 on what, you know, like the best team in this 0:49:35.980 --> 0:49:39.779 season of all the year, right, will probably win about 0:49:39.780 --> 0:49:41.800 60 to 65% of their games. 0:49:42.420 --> 0:49:43.590 That's not that much. 0:49:44.430 --> 0:49:44.690 No. 0:49:45.030 --> 0:49:45.290 Right. 0:49:45.710 --> 0:49:48.910 Well, as Tori Hunter once said, it's a very hard game. 0:49:49.090 --> 0:49:50.089 It's a very hard game. 0:49:50.110 --> 0:49:51.450 You got to hit the ball and then get it 0:49:51.469 --> 0:49:52.610 past like nine dudes. 0:49:52.650 --> 0:49:53.730 There's so many guys. 0:49:53.770 --> 0:49:54.050 Yeah. 0:49:54.350 --> 0:49:55.330 It's a dumb game. 0:49:55.690 --> 0:49:57.890 Yeah. But but it is. But it is our dumb game. 0:49:58.110 --> 0:49:58.370 Right. 0:49:58.570 --> 0:50:00.859 And so what's great about it, right, is even though 0:50:00.900 --> 0:50:03.219 you have the four or five best hitters. 0:50:03.020 --> 0:50:04.160 On the planet on one team. 0:50:04.200 --> 0:50:04.379 Right. 0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:07.680 Even there, the best hitters on the planet still only 0:50:07.719 --> 0:50:09.440 hit the ball about once every three times. 0:50:09.460 --> 0:50:09.620 Right. 0:50:09.920 --> 0:50:13.500 So statistically, it is just as likely for them to all. 0:50:13.390 --> 0:50:15.870 Go 0 for 3 as it is for them to 0:50:15.910 --> 0:50:17.569 go 2 for 3 or 3 for, you know what 0:50:17.610 --> 0:50:17.950 I'm saying? 0:50:18.230 --> 0:50:21.940 It's one of the, like, it makes, the argument that 0:50:21.960 --> 0:50:24.759 you're making is, it makes me feel like this is 0:50:24.860 --> 0:50:27.700 one of the only places where a series of games... 0:50:27.870 --> 0:50:28.569 really makes sense. 0:50:28.590 --> 0:50:29.770 Absolutely necessary. 0:50:29.830 --> 0:50:30.130 Yeah. 0:50:30.290 --> 0:50:31.570 Absolutely necessary. 0:50:31.590 --> 0:50:34.760 Basketball and football, like football doesn't, they just have one game. 0:50:34.840 --> 0:50:35.040 Yeah. 0:50:35.100 --> 0:50:36.100 And that feels right. 0:50:36.160 --> 0:50:36.339 Yeah. 0:50:36.480 --> 0:50:38.359 Basketball probably doesn't need a series either. 0:50:38.480 --> 0:50:39.120 Probably not. 0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:41.880 But yeah, the stats... With. 0:50:41.600 --> 0:50:44.430 Baseball, you just have no idea who's going to win 0:50:44.510 --> 0:50:48.610 on any given day. And that's why the WBC is 0:50:48.650 --> 0:50:50.970 so great, because everybody only gets one game. It's almost 0:50:51.010 --> 0:50:56.629 completely random. The last one in 2023, the guy played 0:50:56.650 --> 0:51:00.020 again this year. There's a guy who plays for Chech... 0:51:00.739 --> 0:51:03.819 for the Czech team, right? And he's like, I don't know, 0:51:04.320 --> 0:51:08.319 just a part-time guy. Like, he's borderline a plumber, right? 0:51:08.340 --> 0:51:11.239 He's an electrician. I think that's his actual job. 0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:12.420 But borders on a plumber. 0:51:12.440 --> 0:51:15.120 Borders on a plumber. I was trying to remember. You 0:51:15.140 --> 0:51:16.480 think electricians. 0:51:15.980 --> 0:51:17.640 Aren't just so close to plumbers. 0:51:17.739 --> 0:51:21.620 It's basically the same thing. But yeah, he throws 80. 0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:22.879 And in 2023, he struck out Shohei. 0:51:22.920 --> 0:51:22.990 Wow. 0:51:25.450 --> 0:51:25.649 Right. 0:51:25.750 --> 0:51:27.750 Like he's he's going to take that with him for 0:51:27.790 --> 0:51:29.910 the rest of his life. He struck out the best 0:51:29.989 --> 0:51:31.250 baseball player on the planet. 0:51:31.630 --> 0:51:31.830 Right. 0:51:32.050 --> 0:51:35.569 But that's also because baseball is so fucking random. You 0:51:35.610 --> 0:51:37.540 might just strike out the best player on the planet 0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:38.280 on accident. 0:51:38.420 --> 0:51:40.180 Yeah, it's just it's going to happen. 0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:41.120 It's so weird. 0:51:41.140 --> 0:51:43.700 Yeah, that's great. I'm glad you had a good time 0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:45.840 and I'm glad the Cinderella story. 0:51:46.080 --> 0:51:46.200 Yep. 0:51:47.010 --> 0:51:49.110 Play it out. Venezuela. 0:51:49.350 --> 0:51:50.609 Maduro, you're coming. 0:51:50.780 --> 0:51:53.260 You're coming home. 0:51:54.100 --> 0:51:58.000 Come on. Like, I want to live in a crazy world. Yeah. So, like, 0:51:58.160 --> 0:51:59.600 we're already mostly there. 0:51:59.760 --> 0:51:59.940 Yeah. 0:52:00.060 --> 0:52:02.280 Let's just let Trump say, all right, you won. 0:52:02.450 --> 0:52:03.589 You get him back. 0:52:03.650 --> 0:52:03.890 Yeah. 0:52:03.950 --> 0:52:05.650 Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. 0:52:05.969 --> 0:52:10.069 We could definitely, like, people used to solve wars with 0:52:10.090 --> 0:52:10.810 the one-on-one. 0:52:10.969 --> 0:52:13.490 We could just switch to baseball in a heartbeat. 0:52:13.770 --> 0:52:17.580 I think that if Trump released Maduro because Venezuela beat 0:52:17.660 --> 0:52:20.299 us in the World Baseball Classic, it would fuck with 0:52:20.340 --> 0:52:24.040 the world's headspace in a way that would be... More 0:52:24.140 --> 0:52:25.980 damaging than if he executed Maduro. 0:52:26.020 --> 0:52:26.620 I think you're right. 0:52:26.760 --> 0:52:30.260 I think that would escalate the, like, anything is possible 0:52:30.340 --> 0:52:32.230 quotient to infinite. 0:52:32.330 --> 0:52:32.569 Yeah. 0:52:32.710 --> 0:52:34.090 You just don't know what could happen. 0:52:34.190 --> 0:52:36.270 It would be like my strategy that I came up 0:52:36.310 --> 0:52:39.109 with if I was a football coach to, I would 0:52:39.150 --> 0:52:40.690 sometimes punt on second down. 0:52:40.730 --> 0:52:41.549 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:52:41.610 --> 0:52:42.430 Just to confuse people. 0:52:42.450 --> 0:52:43.250 You'll never know. 0:52:43.350 --> 0:52:43.529 No. 0:52:43.590 --> 0:52:44.310 You'll never know. 0:52:44.330 --> 0:52:46.240 You beat us at baseball, maybe I'll give you your 0:52:46.260 --> 0:52:46.859 dictator back. 0:52:46.880 --> 0:52:47.600 You might. I might. 0:52:48.260 --> 0:52:50.739 I might take the cape horn. I might just take it. 0:52:50.840 --> 0:52:52.880 Now I have it because you guys beat us at baseball. 0:52:53.260 --> 0:52:53.940 I don't know why. 0:52:54.180 --> 0:52:55.680 I might give you New England. 0:52:55.739 --> 0:52:57.860 Yeah. I don't want it. Yeah. 0:52:58.100 --> 0:52:58.819 It's yours, Spain. 0:52:58.840 --> 0:53:00.469 Boston people don't like me. 0:53:02.590 --> 0:53:05.190 So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. 0:53:05.210 --> 0:53:05.430 All right. 0:53:05.510 --> 0:53:06.370 We're going to be in the past. 0:53:06.510 --> 0:53:06.870 Okay. 0:53:06.910 --> 0:53:10.509 We're going to be talking about some of Alex's past doings. Okay. 0:53:10.530 --> 0:53:12.980 We're going to be talking about March 17th to 20th, 2006, 0:53:12.980 --> 0:53:18.390 Friday to Monday. Okay. And before we get to that, 0:53:18.410 --> 0:53:19.910 let's take a little moment to say hello to some 0:53:19.950 --> 0:53:20.250 new wonks. 0:53:20.310 --> 0:53:21.129 Ooh, that's a great idea. 0:53:21.310 --> 0:53:24.979 So first, Leah, Obi, Baby Quinn, and Dixie the Cat. 0:53:25.020 --> 0:53:26.330 Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. 0:53:26.760 --> 0:53:28.400 I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. 0:53:28.480 --> 0:53:33.300 Thank you. Next, Daniel Agin is writing books about queers, potheads, villains, 0:53:33.520 --> 0:53:37.649 and queer political and queer pothead villains. Thank you so much. 0:53:37.670 --> 0:53:38.430 You're now a policy wonk. 0:53:38.770 --> 0:53:40.350 I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. 0:53:40.390 --> 0:53:43.230 Thank you. And to my angelic Chris, you are the 0:53:43.250 --> 0:53:46.399 best non-binary partner a late blooming trans girl could ask for. 0:53:46.460 --> 0:53:48.980 And I'm sorry I made you think we were. heteronormative 0:53:49.020 --> 0:53:51.660 for the last 20 years. Our time together has been 0:53:51.700 --> 0:53:53.640 the brightest spot anyone could ask for, and I look 0:53:53.660 --> 0:53:56.680 forward to our evolving future together forever and ever, and 0:53:56.800 --> 0:53:59.609 always your favorite Pokemon, Eevee. Thank you so much. You're 0:53:59.640 --> 0:54:00.260 now a policy wonk. 0:54:00.590 --> 0:54:02.110 I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. 0:54:02.120 --> 0:54:04.330 Thank you. And we get a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. 0:54:04.370 --> 0:54:06.670 So thank you so much to my last name is Jones, 0:54:06.730 --> 0:54:09.290 and I tell people I'm related to Alex Jones. Mark, 0:54:09.410 --> 0:54:11.370 you know it's true. Thank you so much. You're now 0:54:11.390 --> 0:54:11.890 a technocrat. 0:54:12.310 --> 0:54:14.070 I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. 0:54:14.250 --> 0:54:16.650 Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. 0:54:16.790 --> 0:54:18.770 Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. 0:54:18.830 --> 0:54:19.390 Daddy shark. 0:54:21.310 --> 0:54:25.930 Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a 0:54:26.050 --> 0:54:28.350 loser little titty baby. 0:54:28.770 --> 0:54:30.070 I don't want to hate black people. 0:54:30.410 --> 0:54:31.870 I renounce Jesus Christ. 0:54:31.969 --> 0:54:32.410 Thank you so much. 0:54:32.430 --> 0:54:33.270 Yes, thank you very much. 0:54:33.690 --> 0:54:36.070 So on our last episode, we listened to 316, Stone 0:54:36.450 --> 0:54:38.109 Cold Austin Day in the Past. 0:54:38.130 --> 0:54:38.380 Sure. 0:54:38.469 --> 0:54:39.950 Stone Cold Steve Austin Day in the Past. 0:54:39.989 --> 0:54:40.089 Wow. 0:54:40.620 --> 0:54:45.310 Stone Cold Steve occupied Austin, Texas day. 0:54:45.670 --> 0:54:45.930 All right. 0:54:46.070 --> 0:54:46.650 Whatever. Yeah. 0:54:46.850 --> 0:54:48.350 Anyway, it was a lot of fun. Yes. 0:54:48.790 --> 0:54:51.330 And so here we are on the 17th. Yeah. And 0:54:51.510 --> 0:54:54.660 Alex starts the show and I'm like, you should quit. 0:54:55.600 --> 0:54:56.580 Welcome, my friends. 0:54:56.700 --> 0:54:59.339 It's the 17th day of March 2006 on this show. 0:55:02.370 --> 0:55:05.730 live friday edition and we're going to have open phones 0:55:05.790 --> 0:55:09.930 today wide open phones with a full three hours any 0:55:09.969 --> 0:55:14.049 news issue any item any story any solutions you wish 0:55:14.090 --> 0:55:17.069 to discuss any questions any comments you disagree with me 0:55:17.590 --> 0:55:19.740 whatever whatever. 0:55:21.100 --> 0:55:23.000 Whatever seems angry. 0:55:22.700 --> 0:55:26.200 This is this is uh uh this is of what 0:55:26.360 --> 0:55:30.040 andy this is andy daily show isn't it Today we're 0:55:30.060 --> 0:55:31.940 going to be talking about going outside. 0:55:31.960 --> 0:55:32.259 Your voice. 0:55:32.280 --> 0:55:34.140 We're not going outside. Do you want to talk about 0:55:34.200 --> 0:55:36.420 going inside? What do you want to talk about? We're 0:55:36.460 --> 0:55:37.370 here to talk about it. 0:55:37.640 --> 0:55:40.940 Yeah, but it's not as electric. No, no, no. It 0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:42.500 doesn't feel as excited. 0:55:42.600 --> 0:55:44.049 No, it's very reluctant. 0:55:44.160 --> 0:55:46.870 Yeah, Andy's character is excited about whether or not you 0:55:46.890 --> 0:55:47.830 want to go inside or outside. 0:55:47.850 --> 0:55:48.650 Yes, he is. 0:55:48.969 --> 0:55:51.190 Alex is like, take your calls, your solutions, whatever. 0:55:51.290 --> 0:55:53.049 I wish we had something else to do. 0:55:53.370 --> 0:55:55.150 Yeah, it feels dead on Friday. 0:55:55.230 --> 0:55:55.350 Yep. 0:55:56.010 --> 0:55:58.590 So he spent some of his time before getting to 0:55:58.630 --> 0:56:02.050 calls ranting about how the economy and the stock market 0:56:02.070 --> 0:56:03.210 and all that shit is fake. 0:56:03.430 --> 0:56:04.350 Everything's fake. 0:56:04.410 --> 0:56:04.910 It's fake. 0:56:05.290 --> 0:56:08.790 The Chicago mercantile is fake. Much of the New York 0:56:08.830 --> 0:56:10.250 Stock Exchange is fake. 0:56:12.550 --> 0:56:13.170 It's a joke. 0:56:16.280 --> 0:56:21.880 Almost our entire world now is a hoax. What we're told, 0:56:21.940 --> 0:56:24.859 what goes on, it's just most of it is a hoax. 0:56:26.860 --> 0:56:29.640 And an example of this is Bush, we now learn 0:56:29.680 --> 0:56:33.870 a couple weeks ago, signed a spending bill that was 0:56:33.930 --> 0:56:37.090 hundreds of billions of dollars. And $ 2 billion of it 0:56:37.989 --> 0:56:40.170 that he wanted was not passed. And so he just 0:56:40.210 --> 0:56:41.860 went and got an earlier version of the bill that 0:56:41.880 --> 0:56:45.319 never passed and signed that. And we've now learned that 0:56:45.340 --> 0:56:47.719 he was told that, sir, you're signing a bill that 0:56:47.739 --> 0:56:50.469 wasn't passed. Speaker of the House told him this in 0:56:50.510 --> 0:56:53.089 a letter. They just signed it, knowing we're so dumb, 0:56:53.110 --> 0:56:55.880 they can take $ 2 billion. Right in front of everybody, 0:56:55.920 --> 0:56:58.140 and she says, oh, well, $ 2 billion, that's what. 0:57:02.300 --> 0:57:02.739 They do. 0:57:02.820 --> 0:57:07.589 So now the stealing, now the looting, now the craziness 0:57:08.530 --> 0:57:12.790 has gotten so wild that I can't even imagine what's 0:57:12.810 --> 0:57:13.550 going to be next. 0:57:13.950 --> 0:57:16.150 This is a great illustration of why you can't really 0:57:16.190 --> 0:57:19.240 just rely on Alex for information. He's not interested in 0:57:19.280 --> 0:57:23.140 actually conveying what's real. He just builds up stories. This 0:57:23.200 --> 0:57:25.360 is day two of him covering this story about Bush 0:57:25.410 --> 0:57:29.070 signing the Deficit Reconciliation Act of 2005, and at the 0:57:29.090 --> 0:57:31.350 start of the show, he claimed that he'd looked into 0:57:31.370 --> 0:57:35.070 this and even called Congress for comment. He's acting like 0:57:35.110 --> 0:57:37.710 he's done a lot of original reporting and legwork that's 0:57:37.750 --> 0:57:39.550 backing up this coverage, but he. 0:57:39.470 --> 0:57:41.690 Still has very basic detail. 0:57:41.310 --> 0:57:44.490 Of the story wrong. This isn't about Bush signing a 0:57:44.510 --> 0:57:47.410 bill that has $ 2 billion more in pork that he 0:57:47.450 --> 0:57:50.050 gets to steal. It's about Bush signing a bill that 0:57:50.070 --> 0:57:53.380 has $ 2 billion less in Medicare funding than the version 0:57:53.420 --> 0:57:56.820 of the bill that Democratic Representative Henry Waxman believed they 0:57:56.840 --> 0:58:00.550 were passing. At this point in 2006, there really isn't 0:58:00.610 --> 0:58:03.110 even a story. It's just a letter that Waxman has 0:58:03.190 --> 0:58:07.410 written raising this complaint. Engaging with this story within the 0:58:07.450 --> 0:58:10.400 bounds of reality would require Alex to argue that Medicare 0:58:10.540 --> 0:58:14.280 should get $ 2 billion more in funding, which he can't do. 0:58:15.020 --> 0:58:17.360 Bush signing a bill that didn't pass Congress is too 0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:20.300 exciting a headline to ignore, so in order to cover this, 0:58:20.340 --> 0:58:22.270 he has to create a fake version of the story 0:58:22.310 --> 0:58:25.250 to entertain the audience, which is what he's doing, and 0:58:25.270 --> 0:58:26.390 it doesn't mean anything. 0:58:26.820 --> 0:58:27.240 Yeah. 0:58:27.740 --> 0:58:30.140 I think it's nice to start everything with, like, it's 0:58:30.180 --> 0:58:33.440 a hoax, and then have a take. 0:58:33.640 --> 0:58:35.110 Like, I feel like you can't do that. 0:58:35.190 --> 0:58:38.130 If you start with three things are hoaxes, then either 0:58:38.150 --> 0:58:40.190 you have to go into why they're hoaxes or just 0:58:40.230 --> 0:58:41.710 be like, and so is everything else. 0:58:41.870 --> 0:58:42.750 Who fucking cares? 0:58:42.850 --> 0:58:47.160 Everything is a hoax except the $ 2 billion that Bush signed. Right. 0:58:47.560 --> 0:58:49.180 That's a hoax, too, right? No, no, no. 0:58:49.200 --> 0:58:52.520 That's free from the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. That completely different. 0:58:52.540 --> 0:58:54.900 That two billion completely unrelated. 0:58:54.960 --> 0:58:56.820 Hey, buddy, take a hit of this and let me 0:58:57.140 --> 0:58:59.110 blow your mind about how money is a hoax. 0:58:59.200 --> 0:58:59.860 It's a hoax. 0:59:00.340 --> 0:59:01.850 What? Fuck. 0:59:03.570 --> 0:59:05.690 But it's tied to the gold standard, right? 0:59:05.710 --> 0:59:06.370 Gold's a hoax. 0:59:06.570 --> 0:59:07.450 Oh, no. 0:59:07.890 --> 0:59:08.890 Wait, is gold a hoax? 0:59:09.510 --> 0:59:12.360 No, no, no. I'm going to go audit Fort Knox, though. 0:59:12.440 --> 0:59:16.160 I think that would be... Is any gold even real anymore? 0:59:16.220 --> 0:59:16.600 I don't know. 0:59:16.900 --> 0:59:19.620 Did they just vaporize all the gold secretly while we 0:59:19.660 --> 0:59:20.530 weren't paying attention? 0:59:20.550 --> 0:59:22.490 Okay. 0:59:22.510 --> 0:59:28.260 Here's... Don't answer that like that was a legitimate question. 0:59:28.280 --> 0:59:29.900 Did they vaporize all the gold? 0:59:30.060 --> 0:59:32.480 I wasn't going to answer your question directly, but I 0:59:32.520 --> 0:59:35.530 did get lost in thought thinking about how I don't 0:59:35.610 --> 0:59:39.990 think I've ever touched gold. Like, I probably have at 0:59:40.050 --> 0:59:42.170 some point. Well, I mean, I'm passing or whatever. 0:59:42.270 --> 0:59:45.810 Sure. But like, I've never, I've never held a gold coin. 0:59:46.250 --> 0:59:46.570 I've never. 0:59:46.710 --> 0:59:49.990 Really? You've never held a gold coin? I don't think so. Really? 0:59:50.010 --> 0:59:50.070 No. 0:59:50.870 --> 0:59:51.330 You have? No. 0:59:52.420 --> 0:59:52.700 Rich? 0:59:52.720 --> 0:59:56.110 I mean, I think, here's what I think happened. I 0:59:56.150 --> 0:59:59.250 think I felt, no, I guess, I mean, it was 0:59:59.290 --> 1:00:02.650 like a $ 10 little gold bar, right? But that's probably 1:00:02.710 --> 1:00:06.610 just like a little lead with gold wrapped around it, right? 1:00:06.810 --> 1:00:07.150 Maybe. 1:00:07.290 --> 1:00:09.560 You know, so I didn't really touch a gold bar. 1:00:09.580 --> 1:00:11.520 You know, it's like one of those little things. 1:00:11.560 --> 1:00:13.820 I have experience with the chocolate coins. 1:00:13.860 --> 1:00:14.080 Yeah. 1:00:14.220 --> 1:00:15.800 I have experience with fool's gold. 1:00:15.980 --> 1:00:16.200 Yeah. 1:00:16.640 --> 1:00:19.120 I know that. But, yeah, I can't think of any 1:00:19.160 --> 1:00:22.280 time I've engaged. Because, you know, I watch The Traders. Sure. 1:00:22.400 --> 1:00:23.180 I've never seen that. 1:00:23.380 --> 1:00:24.740 No, I've never seen any. I've never seen a bar 1:00:24.760 --> 1:00:27.840 of Bill. No, I've never seen anything. It does make 1:00:27.860 --> 1:00:29.140 you question whether or not they're real. 1:00:29.220 --> 1:00:31.500 I'm saying maybe they did vaporize them. 1:00:31.560 --> 1:00:33.260 No, I've never seen one in person. 1:00:33.380 --> 1:00:38.320 Yeah. So, money hoax, obviously. 1:00:38.360 --> 1:00:38.590 Yep. 1:00:38.760 --> 1:00:42.770 But Alex deals with, there's some calls and a topic 1:00:42.830 --> 1:00:46.390 comes up of countries wanting to pay for oil in 1:00:46.410 --> 1:00:49.960 different countries. currencies than dollars. 1:00:50.620 --> 1:00:52.620 So another point, I was looking through the Power Hour 1:00:52.660 --> 1:00:55.340 this morning, and they were making mention that something about 1:00:55.890 --> 1:00:59.570 in order for countries to purchase oil in the Arab states, 1:01:00.330 --> 1:01:02.150 they have to pay 40% of it in the euro. 1:01:02.170 --> 1:01:02.910 Have you heard anything about that? 1:01:03.670 --> 1:01:06.220 Yes, they are moving to a euro. 1:01:09.690 --> 1:01:14.110 Controlled petrodollar, and a lot of other of the Arab 1:01:14.170 --> 1:01:18.150 countries are also dumping some of their cash reserves and 1:01:18.210 --> 1:01:23.520 moving part of their reserves into the euro. Iran is 1:01:23.580 --> 1:01:27.320 moving entirely into the European Union denomination. 1:01:28.540 --> 1:01:29.360 All right. Thank you very much. 1:01:29.680 --> 1:01:31.780 Thank you. I appreciate the call. 1:01:32.290 --> 1:01:34.930 So it is true that some countries like Iran and 1:01:34.990 --> 1:01:37.850 Russia have requested the countries purchasing their oil pay for 1:01:37.910 --> 1:01:41.220 it in euros. This isn't really an attack on the dollar. 1:01:41.680 --> 1:01:44.180 It's not some kind of threat to the status of 1:01:44.220 --> 1:01:46.920 the dollar as the currency that's tied to oil. It's 1:01:46.940 --> 1:01:49.700 a reflection of the U.S. sanctions against these countries and 1:01:49.740 --> 1:01:53.800 their desire to get paid in an unsanctioned currency. Alex 1:01:53.860 --> 1:01:55.880 is reporting the idea of Iran wanting to be paid 1:01:55.920 --> 1:01:58.180 in euros as a piece of a conspiracy where the 1:01:58.300 --> 1:02:01.110 euro is meant to replace the dollar. But in reality, 1:02:01.130 --> 1:02:04.090 Iran would prefer to use dollars if we didn't have 1:02:04.140 --> 1:02:08.000 them under heavy sanctions. The EU is more reliant on 1:02:08.120 --> 1:02:10.480 oil imports from Iran and Russia, so they can't afford 1:02:10.520 --> 1:02:13.960 to fully cut off and sanction those industries. While U.S. 1:02:14.020 --> 1:02:16.320 banks have frozen accounts that would be involved in these 1:02:16.440 --> 1:02:20.060 companies taking payment in dollars and converting that to the 1:02:20.120 --> 1:02:23.500 local currency or investing it in other stuff that uses 1:02:23.520 --> 1:02:27.340 the dollar, it's a hassle with U.S. sanctions. 1:02:27.620 --> 1:02:28.980 It costs money to launder money. 1:02:29.970 --> 1:02:32.570 There is a threat to the U.S. dollar's status as 1:02:32.610 --> 1:02:35.200 the currency that most of the world's economies use for trade, 1:02:35.480 --> 1:02:39.320 but it's not oil-producing countries accepting payments in other currencies. 1:02:40.020 --> 1:02:43.460 It's the possibility that enough powerful economies could get together 1:02:43.540 --> 1:02:46.590 and form a new currency system that sidesteps the dollar, 1:02:46.710 --> 1:02:50.410 because the benefit of basing their economic transactions on the 1:02:50.450 --> 1:02:54.250 dollar is outweighed by the volatility and other downsides that 1:02:54.290 --> 1:02:57.410 we present. The guy that Alex helped get elected in 1:02:57.430 --> 1:02:59.980 the present day is going far out of his way 1:03:00.040 --> 1:03:03.440 to make this more likely because even, you know, the 1:03:03.480 --> 1:03:04.780 BRICS countries and shit. 1:03:04.960 --> 1:03:05.200 Yeah. 1:03:06.000 --> 1:03:10.200 They understand that world economies work easier if the dollar 1:03:10.260 --> 1:03:13.930 is a go between. Yeah. For like taking one currency 1:03:14.490 --> 1:03:16.930 and converting it to the dollar and then converting to 1:03:16.970 --> 1:03:19.250 another one as opposed to going from A to C. 1:03:19.270 --> 1:03:19.570 Yeah. 1:03:20.670 --> 1:03:24.370 It's... just easier. It just is based on how we 1:03:24.390 --> 1:03:25.350 have everything set up. 1:03:25.450 --> 1:03:25.689 Yeah. 1:03:25.870 --> 1:03:29.670 And they wouldn't, they wouldn't upset that balance unless there 1:03:29.710 --> 1:03:32.290 was a reason to like that middle point is going 1:03:32.310 --> 1:03:32.930 to fall apart. 1:03:33.110 --> 1:03:33.330 Yeah. 1:03:33.850 --> 1:03:34.050 Yeah. 1:03:34.150 --> 1:03:37.170 And if I'm, if I'm the other countries, right. And 1:03:37.230 --> 1:03:40.310 I'm looking at the United States, I'm going, woof, this 1:03:40.350 --> 1:03:43.390 is rough now. And then I'm thinking maybe they, maybe 1:03:43.410 --> 1:03:45.790 they put it back together. Maybe they get their system 1:03:45.830 --> 1:03:48.260 back together. They, they figure stuff out. They got that, 1:03:48.610 --> 1:03:50.510 but I still know that they got another Trump in them. 1:03:51.300 --> 1:03:52.980 There's not, it's not like they got rid of all 1:03:53.020 --> 1:03:55.880 the Trumps. There's a, there's another Trump somewhere. And if 1:03:55.980 --> 1:03:58.200 I'm seeing that, I'm seeing that as a risk. 1:03:58.380 --> 1:03:58.540 Yeah. 1:03:58.600 --> 1:04:01.360 Every country has a Trump in them and a potential 1:04:01.440 --> 1:04:02.000 for that. 1:04:02.060 --> 1:04:02.340 Right. 1:04:02.400 --> 1:04:06.510 It's just, we need reassurances and, uh, instability to make 1:04:06.550 --> 1:04:10.150 sure that Trump can't, uh, destroy that currency. 1:04:09.750 --> 1:04:12.190 Yeah i'm just saying i would prefer to i would 1:04:12.230 --> 1:04:13.620 be like hey i'll work with these. 1:04:13.540 --> 1:04:16.880 Other people yeah yeah and that could be part of 1:04:16.980 --> 1:04:19.260 a new world order that alex is interested. 1:04:18.940 --> 1:04:21.360 In whoa a new new world order. 1:04:21.180 --> 1:04:23.480 The new new okay but not the old new world 1:04:23.520 --> 1:04:25.990 not the old okay or the old old oh right 1:04:26.050 --> 1:04:28.510 or the new old wait which one's the new old 1:04:28.610 --> 1:04:31.590 one that was the new one the new world order 1:04:31.670 --> 1:04:33.660 is now the new old is Yes. 1:04:34.160 --> 1:04:36.680 And also the old new. Right. It's the new old 1:04:36.760 --> 1:04:37.620 and the old new. 1:04:37.640 --> 1:04:39.320 Oh, man. Those adjectives. 1:04:39.580 --> 1:04:39.820 Yuck. 1:04:40.500 --> 1:04:42.840 So Alex takes calls, and he gets a call from 1:04:42.880 --> 1:04:45.340 a guy that he knows, like someone who calls in 1:04:45.360 --> 1:04:49.419 and bothers him a lot. And they argue, and Alex 1:04:49.460 --> 1:04:51.840 gets mad at him and then hangs up on him. 1:04:52.780 --> 1:04:55.890 Then Alex gets a call from somebody who reassures him 1:04:56.110 --> 1:04:59.310 and makes him feel better. And Alex is like, hey, 1:05:00.210 --> 1:05:02.660 that guy who I don't like, You should call back 1:05:02.760 --> 1:05:04.460 in and argue with this nice caller. 1:05:05.740 --> 1:05:06.660 So that plays out. 1:05:06.910 --> 1:05:08.550 I like that. I don't have any clips of it 1:05:08.570 --> 1:05:10.750 because it's just fucking dumb and it goes way too 1:05:10.790 --> 1:05:11.070 fucking long. 1:05:11.090 --> 1:05:11.790 Of course it does. 1:05:12.230 --> 1:05:14.430 But yeah, Alex is like, I've got backup now. Call 1:05:14.470 --> 1:05:15.430 back in. I dare you. 1:05:15.490 --> 1:05:16.270 That's so funny. 1:05:16.550 --> 1:05:18.750 And then the two callers yell at each other for 1:05:18.790 --> 1:05:22.470 a bit. And then that ends and Alex is a 1:05:22.490 --> 1:05:25.420 bit depressed. um he just was in a kind of 1:05:25.460 --> 1:05:27.640 a bummed out state yeah i think he. 1:05:27.550 --> 1:05:29.710 Blew he's just doing a call-in show and then his 1:05:29.930 --> 1:05:32.690 his call-in big fight happened so now he's in kind 1:05:32.730 --> 1:05:35.050 of a post-coitus call-in. 1:05:34.590 --> 1:05:37.710 Yeah i think the serotonin's gone yeah um and so 1:05:37.730 --> 1:05:39.990 we end up with a call like this i got. 1:05:39.910 --> 1:05:43.430 A question for you though is there is there any 1:05:43.450 --> 1:05:45.910 way i can get a signed picture of you I 1:05:45.930 --> 1:05:46.870 can post on my wall. 1:05:47.210 --> 1:05:49.870 You know, we don't really have any of the classical 1:05:50.130 --> 1:05:53.570 glamour shots or publicity shots that most talk show hosts have. 1:05:56.110 --> 1:05:57.990 There are a whole bunch of free photos of me 1:05:58.430 --> 1:06:00.970 all over the web. So print out the one you 1:06:01.010 --> 1:06:05.790 like and hang it on the wall. And if you 1:06:05.830 --> 1:06:06.650 want something. 1:06:06.430 --> 1:06:09.210 Signed from me, that's what I would really like. 1:06:10.840 --> 1:06:14.200 Well, the problem is, you know, I sell my signature, 1:06:14.280 --> 1:06:15.740 and not because I even want the money. 1:06:15.820 --> 1:06:18.180 It's just that if I offer it for free, I'm 1:06:18.220 --> 1:06:19.190 not trying to brag. 1:06:19.210 --> 1:06:19.710 I want the money. 1:06:19.730 --> 1:06:22.330 I'll be signing thousands a week. And it would really 1:06:22.470 --> 1:06:24.850 be impossible to get any work done. It's already annoying. 1:06:24.930 --> 1:06:26.730 And I like doing it, but I've run out of time. 1:06:26.750 --> 1:06:28.350 I've got all this serious stuff to do, and I'm 1:06:28.370 --> 1:06:31.230 sitting there signing my book, Descent into Tyranny. If you 1:06:31.250 --> 1:06:33.530 get a Descent into Tyranny, sir, I'll sign. 1:06:33.290 --> 1:06:34.590 It for you. 1:06:34.670 --> 1:06:37.670 And, you know, I'd like to tell you, you know, 1:06:37.730 --> 1:06:41.460 if you mailed me a– citizen rule book and ask 1:06:41.480 --> 1:06:42.740 me to sign it, I might do it. But then 1:06:42.760 --> 1:06:44.460 I'm going to get a bunch of requests for people 1:06:44.480 --> 1:06:47.210 that order citizen rule books that I sign those. And 1:06:47.250 --> 1:06:50.530 I just really, it's not a good... It's not the 1:06:50.570 --> 1:06:52.070 best way to spend my time. 1:06:52.410 --> 1:06:55.230 Just send the guy an autograph. He's on his deathbed. 1:06:55.470 --> 1:06:56.990 Listen to this guy. 1:06:57.110 --> 1:06:58.130 It could not hurt you. 1:06:58.970 --> 1:07:01.300 Just going into this whole spiel hurts you more than 1:07:01.340 --> 1:07:02.880 just being like, yeah, probably. 1:07:03.080 --> 1:07:05.380 But what is the precedent I set by sending you 1:07:05.440 --> 1:07:06.320 an autograph? Don't care. 1:07:06.420 --> 1:07:09.260 Don't need one. Next time, say no. This time, say yes. 1:07:09.300 --> 1:07:12.060 Move on with your life. Just send him a signed picture. 1:07:12.610 --> 1:07:15.390 A couple bucks, maybe. I'll sign a dollar for you. 1:07:15.550 --> 1:07:19.110 If he wants to S-A-S-E it, you know what? Get 1:07:19.150 --> 1:07:22.040 me an envelope. Print out that picture. I'll sign that 1:07:22.100 --> 1:07:23.260 picture and send it right. 1:07:23.120 --> 1:07:23.680 Back to you. 1:07:24.140 --> 1:07:26.750 You do 99% of the work and I'll sign it. 1:07:26.820 --> 1:07:28.920 Hey, let's flip this, Alex. I want to send you 1:07:28.980 --> 1:07:35.000 an autographed picture of me. How much does that cost? Yeah, 1:07:35.040 --> 1:07:36.520 so that was just kind of sad. 1:07:36.760 --> 1:07:37.000 Yeah. 1:07:37.160 --> 1:07:40.500 Anyway, this show, this is a disaster. This episode, no good. 1:07:40.640 --> 1:07:44.490 It's Friday. He wants to go home. He's taking calls. Whatever. Yeah. 1:07:44.570 --> 1:07:47.810 You know, gets the two callers to fight each other 1:07:47.850 --> 1:07:48.390 for fun. Yeah. 1:07:48.970 --> 1:07:50.310 Kind of boring and a dud. 1:07:50.450 --> 1:07:55.030 Yeah. And so we're done with Friday. Yeah. We're taking 1:07:55.050 --> 1:07:55.570 a weekend. 1:07:55.610 --> 1:08:01.120 There's something quaint and beautiful about the radio show where 1:08:01.160 --> 1:08:03.820 the guy knows the callers. Because it's not big enough yet, 1:08:03.940 --> 1:08:05.480 but it is still pretty big, you know? 1:08:05.860 --> 1:08:07.260 There's something beautiful about that. 1:08:07.400 --> 1:08:08.780 Yeah, where he knows some of them. 1:08:08.820 --> 1:08:08.980 Yeah. 1:08:09.500 --> 1:08:11.260 And is annoyed by some of that. Right. 1:08:11.340 --> 1:08:14.200 That's great. But the problem there is if it were 1:08:14.560 --> 1:08:16.540 good radio, it would stay that way. 1:08:16.660 --> 1:08:20.160 But it doesn't. Yeah. I think that, you know, what 1:08:20.200 --> 1:08:21.650 you're talking about is exactly right. 1:08:21.780 --> 1:08:21.969 Yeah. 1:08:22.280 --> 1:08:25.390 Like that vibe and that energy of, hey, I know 1:08:25.430 --> 1:08:28.170 this guy. I'm pissed off by him. That's what I 1:08:28.210 --> 1:08:31.849 want to hear. Absolutely. I would OD on that if 1:08:31.890 --> 1:08:36.510 Alex was providing it. Yep. It's just in practice, whatever 1:08:36.590 --> 1:08:39.210 mood he's in and however it struck on this episode, 1:08:39.760 --> 1:08:40.679 Is no good. 1:08:40.700 --> 1:08:41.560 Just not the way it works. 1:08:41.900 --> 1:08:44.800 But maybe another day. Who knows? So we come back 1:08:44.840 --> 1:08:45.580 from the weekend. 1:08:45.720 --> 1:08:46.000 Yeah. 1:08:46.040 --> 1:08:47.120 We show up on Monday. 1:08:47.140 --> 1:08:47.400 All right. 1:08:47.660 --> 1:08:50.610 And there's big news over at InfoWars. 1:08:51.430 --> 1:08:54.050 Now, after the break here in a minute or two, 1:08:54.070 --> 1:08:57.130 we're going to come back and talk to Charlie Sheen 1:08:57.930 --> 1:08:59.870 for the full hour, for the rest of the hour. 1:09:00.780 --> 1:09:03.960 And he's been in over 65 major motion pictures, has 1:09:03.979 --> 1:09:06.460 a couple more coming out this year. Of course, he's 1:09:06.520 --> 1:09:11.880 the star, the biggest star on one of CBS's hit shows, 1:09:12.260 --> 1:09:15.840 and that's Two and a Half Men. And Charlie and 1:09:15.860 --> 1:09:17.860 I've had a chance to talk some in the last 1:09:18.020 --> 1:09:18.740 week or so. 1:09:19.240 --> 1:09:21.840 And he's just got a few issues, a few questions. 1:09:21.340 --> 1:09:26.140 He wants to bring up concerning 9-11 and what's happening 1:09:26.460 --> 1:09:29.769 here in America. So believe me, you're not going to 1:09:29.810 --> 1:09:31.350 want to miss the interview. 1:09:32.270 --> 1:09:33.590 Was this this episode? 1:09:33.810 --> 1:09:38.470 No, we've talked about Charlie Sheen being on the show before. 1:09:38.530 --> 1:09:41.599 We talked about when he destroyed his career. Right. That's 1:09:41.650 --> 1:09:42.160 not this one. 1:09:42.189 --> 1:09:43.050 That's not this one. 1:09:43.120 --> 1:09:45.150 No. Oh, my God. 1:09:45.150 --> 1:09:45.309 2011. 1:09:45.310 --> 1:09:45.930 OK. 1:09:45.950 --> 1:09:46.750 This is in 2006. 1:09:46.750 --> 1:09:48.689 I was I was about to freak out. I was like, 1:09:48.729 --> 1:09:49.370 holy shit. 1:09:49.550 --> 1:09:54.410 No, this is when this is just after Alex met Charlie. Yeah. 1:09:54.510 --> 1:09:57.390 They talked on the phone before this. And that was 1:09:57.630 --> 1:09:59.969 they'd never met before that. It's very clear. 1:10:00.150 --> 1:10:00.389 Yeah. 1:10:00.630 --> 1:10:02.150 They're just getting to know each other. 1:10:02.370 --> 1:10:02.750 Wild. 1:10:02.810 --> 1:10:05.630 You know, it's weird about that. There's one coincidence about that. 1:10:05.850 --> 1:10:06.030 Right. 1:10:06.510 --> 1:10:08.410 On the way here, I was walking and I was like, 1:10:08.770 --> 1:10:11.610 I wonder if everybody's gotten over the Kanye and he's 1:10:11.630 --> 1:10:13.400 like apologized for being bipolar yet. 1:10:13.580 --> 1:10:16.460 Has he? Has Kanye or is he still committed? 1:10:17.500 --> 1:10:21.400 I know that he did do some apologizing. I don't 1:10:21.430 --> 1:10:24.990 know how much that... I don't know how much people cared. Right. 1:10:25.189 --> 1:10:28.330 I don't know if he's been welcomed back into anybody's 1:10:28.430 --> 1:10:32.519 good graces or anything. I know that he did definitely 1:10:33.360 --> 1:10:34.660 repeat that part of the cycle. 1:10:34.820 --> 1:10:35.380 Yeah. 1:10:35.500 --> 1:10:37.460 Since the Hail Hitler song. 1:10:37.479 --> 1:10:38.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:10:38.540 --> 1:10:38.700 Yep. 1:10:39.220 --> 1:10:41.090 Yeah, we've moved on from that part. 1:10:41.130 --> 1:10:44.190 We're in the season of, oh, whoops. 1:10:44.890 --> 1:10:47.110 Well, the reason I thought it is because I'm like, oh, 1:10:47.189 --> 1:10:48.950 we're in post-Tiger Blood, right? 1:10:48.990 --> 1:10:50.610 That's where we're at in the stage. 1:10:50.630 --> 1:10:51.670 Not in 2006. No. 1:10:51.830 --> 1:10:53.930 No, no, no. That's what I'm saying. For Kanye now. 1:10:53.950 --> 1:10:54.390 Oh, yeah. 1:10:54.410 --> 1:10:55.490 We're in post-Tiger Blood. 1:10:55.530 --> 1:10:59.309 Yeah. We're in the sort of reflective part after the 1:10:59.330 --> 1:11:03.179 manic outburst. Right. The anti-Semitic manic outburst. 1:11:03.260 --> 1:11:03.490 Right. 1:11:03.939 --> 1:11:04.030 Yeah. 1:11:04.060 --> 1:11:04.150 Yeah. 1:11:04.810 --> 1:11:08.290 So Charlie Sheen in 2006, just a celebrity. 1:11:08.470 --> 1:11:09.570 Top of the world. Yeah. 1:11:09.590 --> 1:11:10.750 Yeah. He's on Two and a Half Men. 1:11:10.950 --> 1:11:13.179 Killing it. Highest paid guy, right? 1:11:14.120 --> 1:11:16.120 I think so. There's only a couple of years into 1:11:16.140 --> 1:11:16.600 the show. 1:11:16.620 --> 1:11:16.860 Yeah. 1:11:16.939 --> 1:11:18.019 So I bet he was. 1:11:18.160 --> 1:11:18.460 Yeah. 1:11:18.540 --> 1:11:20.160 I bet he had a great salary. 1:11:20.240 --> 1:11:20.599 Yeah. 1:11:21.220 --> 1:11:23.460 But there was still more to come. Five more years 1:11:23.479 --> 1:11:25.660 of this to come. Exactly. Mr. 1:11:25.729 --> 1:11:29.610 Sheen, of course, he comes from an activist family, Martin Sheen. 1:11:30.780 --> 1:11:34.059 who is the star of the West Wing and has 1:11:34.080 --> 1:11:38.440 been immortalized by some of the movie roles that he 1:11:38.500 --> 1:11:44.189 has played, like Apocalypse Now, has always really stood up 1:11:44.310 --> 1:11:49.950 first to corruption by the federal government, especially warmongering. And 1:11:50.070 --> 1:11:52.190 his son is somewhat of an activist. In fact, both 1:11:52.210 --> 1:11:55.130 of his sons are somewhat of activists in their own right, 1:11:55.170 --> 1:11:56.560 though not as well known for. 1:11:56.520 --> 1:11:58.960 Activism as their father. Well, I think that. 1:11:59.700 --> 1:12:03.120 that in the future you'll be seeing Charlie Sheen standing 1:12:03.180 --> 1:12:06.940 up more and more to the issues that he's concerned about. 1:12:07.300 --> 1:12:09.240 And he'll be doing some of that coming up in 1:12:09.280 --> 1:12:12.410 the next segment and talk about his hit show, Two 1:12:12.650 --> 1:12:15.850 and a Half Men, which a lot of people I 1:12:16.070 --> 1:12:18.530 talked to here in the office before Mr. Sheen was 1:12:18.550 --> 1:12:20.870 going to come on were really excited because they're big 1:12:21.150 --> 1:12:25.880 fans of that broadcast that airs every week on CBS. 1:12:26.670 --> 1:12:27.630 So we're going to go to break. We're going to 1:12:27.670 --> 1:12:29.450 come back. We're going to talk to Mr. Sheen for 1:12:29.470 --> 1:12:30.269 the rest of the hour. 1:12:30.330 --> 1:12:31.809 And then coming up in the second and third hour, 1:12:31.850 --> 1:12:34.550 I'll get into all the government-sponsored terror news, the Iraq news, 1:12:34.810 --> 1:12:37.530 the police state news here in America, what the secret 1:12:37.610 --> 1:12:39.660 police are up to, and a lot more. 1:12:40.060 --> 1:12:42.479 So I get that Alex probably isn't getting paid to 1:12:42.520 --> 1:12:44.840 have Charlie Sheen on the show, but there's no way 1:12:44.880 --> 1:12:47.340 to describe this as anything other than part of a 1:12:47.420 --> 1:12:49.000 promotional campaign for his show. 1:12:49.020 --> 1:12:49.180 Yeah. 1:12:49.780 --> 1:12:51.939 Alex is clearly promoting Two and a Half Men and 1:12:52.020 --> 1:12:54.640 talking about how the staff are excited because they like 1:12:54.700 --> 1:12:58.330 the show. That's fine if you're doing a morning radio 1:12:58.390 --> 1:13:00.790 show or just some frivolous drive time kind of thing, 1:13:01.150 --> 1:13:05.180 but Alex shouldn't be promoting CBS. He thinks that the 1:13:05.220 --> 1:13:07.560 media is controlled by the globalists, and Two and a 1:13:07.580 --> 1:13:10.320 Half Men is one of the most successful shows on TV. 1:13:11.000 --> 1:13:13.680 From Alex's point of view, there really isn't any way 1:13:13.720 --> 1:13:15.980 to imagine that the show would be on if it 1:13:16.090 --> 1:13:19.950 weren't doing the bidding of the globalists. This illustrates the 1:13:19.990 --> 1:13:23.790 difficult position Alex has placed him in for himself in 1:13:23.810 --> 1:13:27.270 terms of the media. His ideology requires that he demonize 1:13:27.470 --> 1:13:30.979 everything and everyone involved in making the banal shows that 1:13:31.020 --> 1:13:34.360 pacify the masses, and that's easy when none of them 1:13:34.420 --> 1:13:37.240 want to talk to you. This is an easy position 1:13:37.280 --> 1:13:40.640 to maintain when you're not really turning something down. The 1:13:40.660 --> 1:13:43.540 publicity and validation that you get from associating with celebrities, 1:13:43.580 --> 1:13:46.980 that was never really an option, so aggressively pretending you're 1:13:47.010 --> 1:13:49.229 turning it down is a great way to create an 1:13:49.290 --> 1:13:54.200 iconoclastic image. The problem arises when some celebrities want to 1:13:54.229 --> 1:13:56.470 start hanging out, and all of a sudden the choice 1:13:56.530 --> 1:13:59.470 is real. If you choose to keep your distance, then 1:13:59.490 --> 1:14:02.030 you're leaving money on the table, but at least you're 1:14:02.090 --> 1:14:06.430 not a conspiracy theorist shilling for primetime CBS sitcom. Sure. 1:14:06.930 --> 1:14:09.360 If you make the other decision and decide to associate 1:14:09.380 --> 1:14:11.420 with the celebrity, then you have to come up with 1:14:11.460 --> 1:14:13.840 an excuse for how the media is still bad and 1:14:13.880 --> 1:14:16.880 controlled by the globalists, but what you're doing is cool. 1:14:17.060 --> 1:14:17.200 Hmm. 1:14:17.970 --> 1:14:20.009 The correct choice if you want to do a serious 1:14:20.030 --> 1:14:23.410 show is to not interview Charlie Sheen. There isn't some 1:14:23.470 --> 1:14:26.570 amazing insight he has into what happened on 9-11 because 1:14:26.610 --> 1:14:29.420 he's a famous actor. The value that he brings to 1:14:29.560 --> 1:14:32.080 Alex is that he's a very famous actor who could 1:14:32.100 --> 1:14:36.120 be presented as co-signing everything Alex says. The choice to 1:14:36.180 --> 1:14:38.940 interview him reveals that Alex is, in fact, interested in 1:14:39.140 --> 1:14:43.519 chasing celebrity, which isn't wrong in and of itself. It's 1:14:43.620 --> 1:14:46.360 only wrong because of the way Alex presents himself and 1:14:46.400 --> 1:14:49.910 how he chooses to present this interview. Alex and his 1:14:49.970 --> 1:14:52.110 employees are supposed to be the last humans who can 1:14:52.170 --> 1:14:55.050 see through the devil's evil plans, and they work around 1:14:55.070 --> 1:14:57.910 the clock to counter him. But now we're hearing that 1:14:57.950 --> 1:14:59.939 a bunch of them love Two and a Half Men, 1:15:00.229 --> 1:15:03.790 one of the most run-of-the-mill sitcoms on the air. I'd 1:15:03.830 --> 1:15:05.650 understand if they watched Two and a Half Men as 1:15:05.689 --> 1:15:08.330 part of their studying the globalists' message so they could 1:15:08.490 --> 1:15:12.440 find predictive programming buried in the easy jokes, but that's 1:15:12.540 --> 1:15:16.939 not what Alex is saying. Alex has to glaze Sheen, CBS, 1:15:17.000 --> 1:15:18.900 and Two and a Half Men because he wants to 1:15:18.920 --> 1:15:21.700 have a friendly interview with Charlie, and it works out 1:15:21.880 --> 1:15:25.939 so well for him. Alex is able to insinuate himself 1:15:25.979 --> 1:15:27.990 into Charlie's life to the point where Charlie has a 1:15:28.090 --> 1:15:31.330 meltdown on Alex's show five years later that gets him 1:15:31.510 --> 1:15:34.740 fired from Two and a Half Men. Charlie descends down 1:15:34.780 --> 1:15:37.400 a very dark point from there, but Alex is able 1:15:37.439 --> 1:15:39.820 to use his proximity to the story to go on 1:15:39.860 --> 1:15:44.189 The View, exploiting his connection with Sheen to boost his profile, 1:15:44.550 --> 1:15:47.950 and it wouldn't have been possible without Alex promoting CBS 1:15:48.270 --> 1:15:52.010 back here in 2006. And just to be clear, at 1:15:52.030 --> 1:15:54.570 this point, Sumner Redstone is the head of CBS, and 1:15:54.610 --> 1:15:58.160 he's a billionaire who donates to a ton of Democratic politicians, 1:15:58.260 --> 1:16:00.740 but supported Bush in the 2004 election. 1:16:01.220 --> 1:16:04.200 He's everything Alex is supposed to hate. I mean, it 1:16:04.240 --> 1:16:05.019 was wartime. 1:16:05.260 --> 1:16:05.540 All right. 1:16:05.580 --> 1:16:07.099 You have to support the wartime president. 1:16:07.200 --> 1:16:10.810 And John Kerry. But look, this is bullshit. 1:16:11.030 --> 1:16:11.269 Yeah. 1:16:11.350 --> 1:16:13.130 You can't be like, oh, a lot of my staff 1:16:13.170 --> 1:16:15.310 loves this two and a half men coming up tonight 1:16:15.370 --> 1:16:16.729 on CBS. Go check it out. 1:16:17.150 --> 1:16:20.960 Like, that's not you, man. All right, so here's the thing, right? 1:16:21.080 --> 1:16:24.750 So the globalists, they're smart. They're not these dumb globalists. 1:16:25.170 --> 1:16:29.260 They're not going to make the number one watched show 1:16:29.340 --> 1:16:31.379 on television the globalist mouthpiece. 1:16:31.580 --> 1:16:34.720 That would be too obvious. They make every. 1:16:34.620 --> 1:16:37.660 Other show on television the globalist mouthpiece, but the number 1:16:37.780 --> 1:16:39.639 one show, they leave completely alone. 1:16:39.939 --> 1:16:41.679 Okay. See? This seems arbitrary. 1:16:42.080 --> 1:16:44.240 It does feel that way, doesn't it? Almost like somebody 1:16:44.260 --> 1:16:45.700 would just make it up on the spot. 1:16:45.979 --> 1:16:49.010 Also, they seem to have an amazing ability to tell 1:16:49.070 --> 1:16:51.750 what is going to be the number one Yeah. 1:16:51.850 --> 1:16:53.070 It's pretty crazy, isn't it? 1:16:53.130 --> 1:16:53.350 Yeah. 1:16:53.430 --> 1:16:54.310 They're really good at it. 1:16:54.610 --> 1:16:57.940 I don't think that anyone would have predicted Lost would 1:16:57.960 --> 1:16:58.780 be as big of a hit. 1:16:58.880 --> 1:17:02.460 No, but that's why it was globalist controlled, because they 1:17:02.479 --> 1:17:04.260 knew it wasn't going to be as big of a hit. 1:17:05.520 --> 1:17:06.180 I'm following you. 1:17:06.540 --> 1:17:08.990 I'm not. I literally am not following me anymore. 1:17:09.210 --> 1:17:09.490 Okay. 1:17:09.530 --> 1:17:10.470 I lost where I was. 1:17:10.990 --> 1:17:12.390 Yeah, I think Alex has, too. 1:17:12.670 --> 1:17:12.870 Yep. 1:17:13.890 --> 1:17:14.890 I think this is embarrassing. 1:17:15.050 --> 1:17:15.330 All right. 1:17:17.670 --> 1:17:18.840 Our staff loves the show. 1:17:19.100 --> 1:17:19.310 Yeah. 1:17:19.729 --> 1:17:20.690 Tune in to CBS. 1:17:20.720 --> 1:17:24.100 Yeah, this is very Jimmy Fallon. You can be Jimmy 1:17:24.140 --> 1:17:26.400 Fallon if you're Jimmy Fallon. You can't be Jimmy Fallon 1:17:26.420 --> 1:17:27.320 if you're Alex Jones. 1:17:27.640 --> 1:17:27.860 No. 1:17:27.920 --> 1:17:28.719 That's not how it works. 1:17:28.939 --> 1:17:31.900 No, and you can't just decide that because someone is 1:17:31.939 --> 1:17:34.140 willing to talk to you and be friendly with you 1:17:34.740 --> 1:17:37.840 that they're one of the good celebrities. Yep. That makes 1:17:37.860 --> 1:17:40.860 the definition of who's good and bad way too obvious 1:17:41.240 --> 1:17:42.220 and arbitrary. 1:17:42.560 --> 1:17:44.240 Who likes me versus who doesn't like me. 1:17:44.400 --> 1:17:49.820 Yeah. Oh, well. So Alex introduces Charlie by talking about 1:17:49.860 --> 1:17:53.229 Martin Sheen. And he referenced Martin Sheen in that last clip. 1:17:53.250 --> 1:17:56.030 But he talks more about his activism. 1:17:57.110 --> 1:17:59.690 And when I got a chance to talk to Charlie Sheen, 1:17:59.729 --> 1:18:01.830 I was just amazed. Because I've talked to a lot 1:18:01.850 --> 1:18:03.010 of other big Hollywood people. 1:18:03.030 --> 1:18:04.150 We've had a few of them on this show. 1:18:05.090 --> 1:18:06.790 And they call me up sometimes and say, hey, you're 1:18:06.810 --> 1:18:09.450 doing a great job, or I'm buying. 1:18:09.210 --> 1:18:11.019 50 copies of your video. And I'm like, no, here, 1:18:11.030 --> 1:18:13.200 just take it. But I won't sign it. 1:18:13.220 --> 1:18:15.080 But they're not as informed, I have to be honest, 1:18:15.280 --> 1:18:16.640 as Charlie Sheen. I mean, I talked to this guy 1:18:16.660 --> 1:18:18.910 like an hour and a half yesterday, and he just– 1:18:19.460 --> 1:18:22.910 really knows what's going on on the planet today. But 1:18:22.950 --> 1:18:26.490 that shouldn't surprise me. His father, Martin Sheen, has been 1:18:26.510 --> 1:18:29.990 on the front lines. As Mark Twain said in the beginning, 1:18:30.030 --> 1:18:32.890 a patriot is a scarce man, hated and feared and scorned. 1:18:32.930 --> 1:18:35.750 But in time, when his cause succeeds, the timid join 1:18:35.810 --> 1:18:38.160 him because then it costs nothing to be a patriot. 1:18:38.540 --> 1:18:40.439 And of course, it's been proven right time and time again. 1:18:40.479 --> 1:18:42.430 It was his father in the in the days leading 1:18:42.430 --> 1:18:44.930 up to the war, that was the most vocal spokesman 1:18:44.930 --> 1:18:47.439 in America against this disastrous conflict. 1:18:47.439 --> 1:18:49.700 And everything he said has now come true. And, of course, 1:18:51.020 --> 1:18:51.780 Charlie Sheen and his. 1:18:51.760 --> 1:18:55.500 Brother are also activists in their own right, and we 1:18:55.600 --> 1:18:58.640 are just incredibly honored to have Charlie Sheen on with 1:18:58.660 --> 1:19:00.240 us for the balance of this hour. Mr. 1:19:00.280 --> 1:19:01.170 Sheen, good to have you with us. 1:19:01.680 --> 1:19:02.540 Nice to be here, Alex. 1:19:02.560 --> 1:19:02.960 How are you? 1:19:03.760 --> 1:19:04.590 I'm great. 1:19:05.060 --> 1:19:06.950 Before we get into the really serious stuff, tell me 1:19:06.970 --> 1:19:08.370 a little bit about Two and a Half Men. 1:19:10.060 --> 1:19:12.740 Well, gosh, we're thrilled. We are at the end of 1:19:12.840 --> 1:19:18.700 our third season. We have three more shows to shoot. 1:19:18.820 --> 1:19:26.250 Most sitcoms will shoot 22 episodes, but because the network 1:19:26.290 --> 1:19:29.870 always wants more product, we do 24. So our season 1:19:29.910 --> 1:19:33.110 will continue when all the other shows have shut down. 1:19:34.110 --> 1:19:34.830 But it's going good. 1:19:34.890 --> 1:19:35.750 It's going really good. 1:19:37.430 --> 1:19:41.490 We've, you know, found ourselves sort of in or around 1:19:41.530 --> 1:19:46.150 the top ten for most of this year. And we 1:19:46.170 --> 1:19:47.970 found out we got picked up for next season, which 1:19:48.030 --> 1:19:53.059 is fabulous. And what's happening is they're using our show 1:19:53.280 --> 1:19:57.480 to launch new shows, which is the sign of great 1:19:57.540 --> 1:20:01.320 confidence and trust in us sort of being the anchor 1:20:01.360 --> 1:20:05.300 of that Monday night lineup, you know. So with that, 1:20:05.350 --> 1:20:08.360 I should probably throw out a shameless plug on tonight's show, 1:20:08.380 --> 1:20:10.200 if that's all right. 1:20:10.280 --> 1:20:10.620 Oh, sure. 1:20:10.640 --> 1:20:16.180 Tell us about tonight's show. Tonight's show is entitled The 1:20:16.260 --> 1:20:21.680 Spit-Covered Cobbler. And it's funny because the title of our 1:20:21.700 --> 1:20:24.900 show will always relate to a line of dialogue. And 1:20:25.000 --> 1:20:28.500 so it's about my brother Alan, played by John Cryer, 1:20:28.520 --> 1:20:32.800 and he's dating a girl who has no money. And 1:20:32.900 --> 1:20:36.920 so he doesn't have any money himself. I sort of 1:20:36.939 --> 1:20:38.559 support him on the show because I took him in 1:20:38.600 --> 1:20:40.950 when he went through a divorce with his kid, played 1:20:40.970 --> 1:20:45.370 by Angus Jones, right? And so he's dealing with a woman, 1:20:45.830 --> 1:20:48.310 April Bowlby, who plays Candy on the show. 1:20:48.650 --> 1:20:49.710 So 9-11, right? 1:20:50.790 --> 1:20:51.130 Wow. 1:20:51.330 --> 1:20:54.030 It definitely feels like Alex wants to talk about some 1:20:54.070 --> 1:20:57.640 stuff that at least looks like it's important for the Infowar, 1:20:57.860 --> 1:21:00.700 but Charlie wants to promote the show. Yeah. They appear 1:21:00.780 --> 1:21:02.940 to be on different pages, and it's a bit uncomfortable 1:21:03.000 --> 1:21:05.320 to hear Alex fake laugh as Charlie tells him the 1:21:05.390 --> 1:21:07.910 plot of tonight's episode in a bit more detail than 1:21:07.950 --> 1:21:13.389 we need. Maybe trim it up. Also, Alex should hate 1:21:13.530 --> 1:21:17.309 Martin Sheen. He's a guy who's participated in civil disobedience 1:21:17.350 --> 1:21:20.780 throughout his life and has been a lifelong Democrat. He's 1:21:20.820 --> 1:21:23.059 had stances that Alex could agree with, like the fact 1:21:23.100 --> 1:21:26.929 that he's been publicly quite anti-abortion. But Martin Sheen always 1:21:27.020 --> 1:21:31.720 did campaign work and promotion for anti-abortion Democrat candidates. His 1:21:31.780 --> 1:21:34.160 opposition to abortion didn't trick him into thinking that he 1:21:34.200 --> 1:21:37.050 had some common cause with the GOP and was part 1:21:37.090 --> 1:21:38.890 of a larger belief he had in life. 1:21:39.050 --> 1:21:39.190 Sure. 1:21:39.210 --> 1:21:44.260 Like, Anti-war kinds of like that. It all blended together. 1:21:44.300 --> 1:21:46.440 And that's where it came from, as opposed to some 1:21:46.500 --> 1:21:48.840 religious zealot conviction that Alex has. 1:21:48.900 --> 1:21:49.640 Right, right, right, right. 1:21:49.920 --> 1:21:52.820 Alex absolutely does hate Martin Sheen and everything that he 1:21:52.860 --> 1:21:55.939 stands for. But he also knows that his brand in 1:21:55.939 --> 1:21:58.160 2006 relies on his ability to not look like a 1:21:58.200 --> 1:22:00.809 white identity lunatic to the folks on the left who 1:22:00.850 --> 1:22:03.810 are really mad about the Iraq war. sheen is a 1:22:03.870 --> 1:22:07.250 big anti-war activist so alex needs to pretend to respect 1:22:07.310 --> 1:22:10.710 him for show so the audience thinks oh he's he's 1:22:10.810 --> 1:22:11.730 on our side. 1:22:11.530 --> 1:22:15.689 Yep yeah and anytime anytime you get any questions or 1:22:15.750 --> 1:22:19.380 any feelings just be like oh remember in apocalypse now 1:22:19.900 --> 1:22:22.400 tell me about dennis hopper that's that's all you got 1:22:22.420 --> 1:22:25.000 to do you just move back to apocalypse now and you're. 1:22:24.880 --> 1:22:27.860 Good you can yeah right Yeah, I think that if 1:22:27.960 --> 1:22:31.200 Alex had a real accounting of what he believes and 1:22:31.540 --> 1:22:33.660 his positions, he should be like, hey, your dad sucks. 1:22:33.820 --> 1:22:37.600 Yeah, he really should. He would also say he was 1:22:37.700 --> 1:22:39.800 pretty great in Hot Shots. Part deux. 1:22:39.979 --> 1:22:43.860 Part deux. That's fair. So Alex, is that enough of 1:22:43.920 --> 1:22:45.979 hearing about the plot of this episode of Two and 1:22:46.000 --> 1:22:46.300 a Half Men? 1:22:46.380 --> 1:22:47.080 Haven't we all? 1:22:47.240 --> 1:22:52.200 Yes. So he wants to bring up 9-11. And Charlie's like, 1:22:52.439 --> 1:22:54.360 you know what, dude? I'm a fan of your work. 1:22:54.860 --> 1:22:56.300 I like you. I like 9-11. 1:22:56.320 --> 1:23:00.160 You have some questions about the official 9-11 story. And 1:23:00.400 --> 1:23:03.980 we got hooked up because we both mutually have been 1:23:04.180 --> 1:23:07.660 looking into that. And I want to just, I guess, 1:23:08.020 --> 1:23:13.019 start by what happened on 9-11, what your instincts told you, 1:23:13.080 --> 1:23:14.960 and really just go from there. 1:23:14.979 --> 1:23:19.620 Well, it was interesting. And let me just preface that 1:23:19.660 --> 1:23:22.890 by saying that I've been a fan of yours for 1:23:22.910 --> 1:23:26.189 a long time and I've been following you and I've 1:23:26.229 --> 1:23:30.940 seen all of your documentaries and your research is tireless 1:23:31.260 --> 1:23:35.080 and it's interesting because a lot of these guys, you 1:23:35.120 --> 1:23:38.620 sort of look behind the notes and you start to 1:23:38.660 --> 1:23:42.150 discover inconsistencies in a lot of the claims that they're making, 1:23:43.470 --> 1:23:48.030 which pretty much torpedoes the credibility of most of their substance. 1:23:48.170 --> 1:23:51.070 But with you, that's. 1:23:50.870 --> 1:23:51.370 Not the case. 1:23:51.990 --> 1:23:54.170 So one thing that's interesting is that Charlie says he's 1:23:54.210 --> 1:23:57.110 been following Alex for years and watched his documentaries, but 1:23:57.150 --> 1:23:59.740 he doesn't say that he listens to the show. If 1:23:59.780 --> 1:24:02.240 he did, I think that the point he's making about 1:24:02.340 --> 1:24:05.599 Alex's claims being super consistent would be hard to defend. 1:24:06.340 --> 1:24:09.519 At this point, Alex hasn't made Endgame or The Obama Deception, 1:24:09.680 --> 1:24:13.250 so the only documentaries he made are the Police State ones, 1:24:13.310 --> 1:24:17.330 the Bohemian Grove one, and America Destroyed by Design. These 1:24:17.370 --> 1:24:19.730 are all bullshit, but I can understand how Charlie could 1:24:19.790 --> 1:24:22.550 watch them and feel like they weren't like other conspiracy 1:24:22.590 --> 1:24:24.950 theorist trash where you look under the hood and it 1:24:25.010 --> 1:24:28.090 all just falls apart. And the reason for this is 1:24:28.110 --> 1:24:31.929 that Alex's documentaries are mostly self-referential, which is a big 1:24:31.990 --> 1:24:34.270 part of why it's always been hard for me to 1:24:34.310 --> 1:24:36.950 find a way to cover them on our show. Most 1:24:36.990 --> 1:24:39.080 of it is just about creating a feeling and then 1:24:39.160 --> 1:24:42.200 telling you where that feeling should be directed, but there's 1:24:42.240 --> 1:24:45.530 no truth or falsity to any of it. For example, 1:24:45.670 --> 1:24:47.710 in one of them, Alex shows a bunch of B-roll 1:24:47.729 --> 1:24:50.790 footage that he shot at an urban warfare training exercise. 1:24:51.550 --> 1:24:54.309 In it, you can see people dressed in military-style outfits 1:24:54.390 --> 1:24:58.030 storming what appear to be suburban American homes. The people 1:24:58.110 --> 1:25:00.170 running this exercise would tell you that the troops are 1:25:00.330 --> 1:25:03.870 fighting in urban areas overseas, and doing these exercises in 1:25:03.910 --> 1:25:06.870 approximations of the area they're going to be in is 1:25:06.910 --> 1:25:11.050 important for training. Meanwhile, Alex shows the footage and claims 1:25:11.090 --> 1:25:14.930 that there are troops training specifically to later raid suburban 1:25:14.970 --> 1:25:19.060 American homes. That's what the footage looks like, so obviously 1:25:19.100 --> 1:25:21.480 the people who would say that it's training for operations 1:25:21.520 --> 1:25:25.620 in other countries, like Iraq, must be lying. In service 1:25:25.660 --> 1:25:28.219 of making his point, Alex can flash up and reference 1:25:28.380 --> 1:25:31.450 unrelated and out of context documents, some of them fake. 1:25:32.050 --> 1:25:34.610 He can play out of context clips of people saying 1:25:34.650 --> 1:25:37.650 things that reinforce his point, like the clip we discussed 1:25:37.670 --> 1:25:39.430 a while back of a person in one of these 1:25:39.470 --> 1:25:43.500 training exercises improvising a line about being an American and 1:25:43.680 --> 1:25:46.300 all of it is meant to build up and reinforce 1:25:46.340 --> 1:25:49.280 the feeling that Alex is selling. But there's nowhere to 1:25:49.360 --> 1:25:53.320 really go with fact-checking. Charlie can't research any of this 1:25:53.380 --> 1:25:56.620 any further because Alex is selling a feeling and reporting 1:25:56.680 --> 1:25:59.960 on people's intentions. He's telling you that the military is 1:26:00.020 --> 1:26:03.280 running these urban warfare exercises because they intend to use 1:26:03.320 --> 1:26:06.730 these tactics against the U.S., but you could never confirm this. 1:26:07.520 --> 1:26:09.460 If you reached out to them, they'd give you the 1:26:09.560 --> 1:26:14.580 answer about overseas urban conflict situations and you'd be back 1:26:14.600 --> 1:26:17.939 where you started. And the reality is that Charlie didn't 1:26:18.280 --> 1:26:20.370 and doesn't fact check any of these things that Alex 1:26:20.390 --> 1:26:23.390 says on these tapes. But what he's telling Alex is 1:26:23.550 --> 1:26:26.850 more that he enjoys the feelings those tapes give him. 1:26:27.590 --> 1:26:31.410 The feelings are consistent through Alex's films, which feels like 1:26:31.450 --> 1:26:33.479 the same thing as Alex having all of his facts 1:26:33.560 --> 1:26:35.760 in order and you checked his notes and it all 1:26:36.100 --> 1:26:39.019 it's all good. The feeling is good. 1:26:39.240 --> 1:26:39.479 Yeah. 1:26:40.260 --> 1:26:41.820 So Charlie's kind of dumb. 1:26:42.260 --> 1:26:44.790 You know, I'm thinking about this, right? 1:26:45.310 --> 1:26:48.679 And I'm thinking if, if his angle, if he had his, 1:26:48.790 --> 1:26:51.450 if his angle was this, right? I don't want them 1:26:52.110 --> 1:26:56.270 training in these situations, not because I don't want them 1:26:56.300 --> 1:26:58.139 to have success in Iraq or because I think they're 1:26:58.180 --> 1:27:00.479 not going to use it in Iraq. I don't want 1:27:00.500 --> 1:27:03.940 them to train because I want operational advantage. Should they 1:27:03.979 --> 1:27:08.320 ever be sent to us? I'm training in suburban warfare 1:27:08.740 --> 1:27:10.939 to make sure that when they come here, I'll have 1:27:10.970 --> 1:27:11.550 the advantage. 1:27:11.600 --> 1:27:11.790 Right. 1:27:12.030 --> 1:27:14.210 I can't let them train in suburban warfare too. 1:27:14.610 --> 1:27:15.530 That's coherent. 1:27:16.050 --> 1:27:18.590 That is. Well, at least, I mean, it's somewhat coherent. 1:27:18.670 --> 1:27:18.950 Yeah. 1:27:19.110 --> 1:27:21.429 But yeah, I could see that being like. 1:27:21.330 --> 1:27:24.970 An, that's not what Alex is saying, but it is like, 1:27:25.610 --> 1:27:28.760 it would, it would be like, all right, um, we 1:27:28.840 --> 1:27:31.640 must study what they do in urban warfare in order 1:27:31.700 --> 1:27:36.070 to be prepared, uh, like militarily for, uh, Right. That, yeah. 1:27:36.170 --> 1:27:39.689 Right. So then the angle there would be like, I 1:27:39.729 --> 1:27:42.059 kind of want them to lose at Foreign Wars. 1:27:42.780 --> 1:27:44.420 I guess so. I guess that's kind. 1:27:44.320 --> 1:27:46.439 Of the point. That would preclude them from doing it here. 1:27:46.500 --> 1:27:48.139 It would make it very difficult, yeah. 1:27:48.220 --> 1:27:49.840 That's also not Alex's point. 1:27:49.979 --> 1:27:52.440 No, I hope they lose. It's probably not going to 1:27:52.479 --> 1:27:54.620 be a good point in 2006, especially. 1:27:54.760 --> 1:27:58.960 Yeah. His point is mostly selling those DVDs with sensationalized 1:27:59.000 --> 1:27:59.880 and out of context shit. 1:27:59.979 --> 1:28:00.099 Yeah. 1:28:00.900 --> 1:28:03.830 So, Charlie, he's been doing his own research. 1:28:04.189 --> 1:28:05.410 Ooh, that's always a good sign. 1:28:05.450 --> 1:28:05.930 Yeah, it is. 1:28:05.950 --> 1:28:06.830 Especially if you're Charlie. 1:28:06.850 --> 1:28:10.310 This is tough for me because for the longest time 1:28:10.570 --> 1:28:16.060 I've been doing my own independent research. And, you know, 1:28:16.840 --> 1:28:18.460 I don't claim to be an expert in any of 1:28:18.479 --> 1:28:25.990 these fields. But just as a concerned, upstanding, taxpaying American citizen, 1:28:26.150 --> 1:28:31.229 there's just– There's questions I have that I wish somebody 1:28:31.340 --> 1:28:36.860 could explain away for me. There's things that one will 1:28:37.710 --> 1:28:41.080 view and then look at the Keene Commission. official report, 1:28:41.920 --> 1:28:46.420 and it just, as I heard somebody once say, might 1:28:46.439 --> 1:28:49.360 have been you, there's holes in the story you could 1:28:49.430 --> 1:28:50.950 fly a Boeing jet through. 1:28:51.820 --> 1:28:52.820 Oh, there certainly is. 1:28:52.900 --> 1:28:55.260 In fact, we were talking yesterday, and you said over 1:28:55.280 --> 1:28:59.380 the phone that the biggest conspiracy theory is the official story. 1:28:59.420 --> 1:29:03.610 I mean, at every point, it's a fabrication. It's a lie. 1:29:03.650 --> 1:29:04.570 Would you elaborate on that? 1:29:05.450 --> 1:29:05.850 Well, yeah. 1:29:05.910 --> 1:29:09.890 It's like they want to just pigeonhole all of us 1:29:10.210 --> 1:29:15.429 into this group of conspiracy nutbags when we're not really 1:29:15.470 --> 1:29:21.880 debating things that are real. related to UFOs bringing down 1:29:21.900 --> 1:29:24.939 the towers or Building 7 or the Pentagon, right? And 1:29:25.020 --> 1:29:33.710 so it just, you know, it just feels like, you know, 1:29:33.790 --> 1:29:38.589 there's things in there that we're not the conspiracy theorists 1:29:38.890 --> 1:29:40.429 on this particular issue. 1:29:40.689 --> 1:29:40.940 You know? 1:29:41.750 --> 1:29:44.210 I will accept Charlie's point that he doesn't like the 1:29:44.270 --> 1:29:46.639 idea of everyone who doesn't believe the official story of 1:29:46.650 --> 1:29:50.000 9-11 being painted as the same kind of conspiracy theorist. 1:29:50.800 --> 1:29:53.820 At this point in American history, after 9-11 and in 1:29:53.860 --> 1:29:56.639 the Iraq War, the media really didn't have to take 1:29:56.680 --> 1:29:59.460 the various different versions of weirdos out there all that 1:29:59.520 --> 1:30:03.190 seriously because social media hadn't become ubiquitous and the iPhone 1:30:03.229 --> 1:30:07.630 wasn't even released. There's a lot of nuance and difference 1:30:07.689 --> 1:30:09.570 between people who thought that the story of 9-11 didn't 1:30:09.590 --> 1:30:13.679 add up And people who thought the UFOs took down 1:30:13.700 --> 1:30:15.820 the towers were an entirely different crew. 1:30:15.939 --> 1:30:17.599 They were. They were separate back then. 1:30:17.660 --> 1:30:21.310 But the media really couldn't treat them as all that different. 1:30:21.320 --> 1:30:23.870 They could get away with treating them all as in 1:30:23.910 --> 1:30:25.210 the same basket back then. 1:30:25.270 --> 1:30:25.550 Yeah. 1:30:26.210 --> 1:30:28.729 It's worth noting that the people who thought UFOs took 1:30:28.750 --> 1:30:31.770 the towers down didn't really exist. There might have been 1:30:31.790 --> 1:30:33.840 a few of them on message boards somewhere, but in 1:30:33.880 --> 1:30:37.220 terms of conspiracy theorists, there really were just the same 1:30:37.300 --> 1:30:40.600 two sides there always is. The side that thinks things 1:30:40.660 --> 1:30:43.600 don't add up and are seeking explanations for it, and 1:30:43.620 --> 1:30:47.379 the side that wants to blame their scapegoat group for everything, 1:30:47.620 --> 1:30:49.860 who are just going to distort all information they find 1:30:49.900 --> 1:30:54.380 to serve that goal. I'm interested in Charlie's, his seeming 1:30:54.600 --> 1:30:58.080 inability to articulate anything that resembles a question that he 1:30:58.100 --> 1:31:01.559 can't get an answer to. He wants answers to these questions. 1:31:01.880 --> 1:31:05.770 And throughout that whole clip, he didn't say anything specific. No. 1:31:06.010 --> 1:31:09.510 He just said platitudes and like, why won't anyone answer 1:31:09.550 --> 1:31:10.390 my questions, man? 1:31:10.490 --> 1:31:10.969 Yeah. 1:31:11.270 --> 1:31:15.130 And it seems like he's about to, on multiple occasions, 1:31:15.189 --> 1:31:16.130 say something specific. 1:31:16.170 --> 1:31:16.370 Yeah. 1:31:16.590 --> 1:31:17.590 And then he stops. 1:31:17.610 --> 1:31:18.349 Then he pulls back. 1:31:18.560 --> 1:31:18.770 Yeah. 1:31:18.979 --> 1:31:19.200 Mm-hmm. 1:31:19.680 --> 1:31:21.800 I don't know why exactly, but that was a strong 1:31:21.880 --> 1:31:22.940 feeling that I got from him. 1:31:23.479 --> 1:31:26.080 I feel here's what I'm here's what I'm getting. 1:31:26.810 --> 1:31:26.980 Right. 1:31:27.910 --> 1:31:30.830 I am imagining a version of It's a Wonderful Life 1:31:30.930 --> 1:31:33.470 with Alex. And then if you like, just really go 1:31:33.510 --> 1:31:36.400 back through and see the way that he's touched people 1:31:36.900 --> 1:31:40.450 and like, oh, man, if you weren't there. I bet 1:31:40.490 --> 1:31:42.360 things would have been so much better. I bet things 1:31:42.380 --> 1:31:45.060 would have been so much better. He's got the worst. 1:31:45.160 --> 1:31:47.090 It's a wonderful life ever at the end of it. 1:31:47.540 --> 1:31:48.519 He's like, that makes me. 1:31:48.479 --> 1:31:50.510 Want to jump. And they're like, yeah, that's why we 1:31:50.550 --> 1:31:52.309 did it. That's what we're here for. 1:31:52.530 --> 1:31:52.769 Yeah. 1:31:52.910 --> 1:31:54.110 You got to go, dude. 1:31:55.200 --> 1:31:58.980 It's so weird to look at this with the knowledge 1:31:59.040 --> 1:32:02.740 that he essentially is complicit in ruining Charlie's life. 1:32:02.860 --> 1:32:05.540 Absolutely. It's so wild. It's so wild. 1:32:05.580 --> 1:32:08.479 Charlie Sheen's a big boy. He can make his own decisions. Obviously, 1:32:08.580 --> 1:32:13.080 Alex isn't responsible for any of that. Man, he played 1:32:13.260 --> 1:32:15.300 a particular role in a way that he should have 1:32:15.340 --> 1:32:15.820 known better. 1:32:16.510 --> 1:32:18.429 As a bipolar type one person. 1:32:18.729 --> 1:32:18.929 Right. 1:32:19.630 --> 1:32:22.849 In these situations, I'm not always in control. 1:32:23.210 --> 1:32:25.710 And I definitely hope I'm not meeting somebody at the 1:32:25.750 --> 1:32:27.630 time who's going to point me the way Alex does. 1:32:28.170 --> 1:32:30.210 You know, like when you're when you're manic, you're like 1:32:30.250 --> 1:32:33.269 an arrow going whatever direction as fast as possible. 1:32:33.570 --> 1:32:35.660 And if you let that guy point you, you're fucked. 1:32:35.920 --> 1:32:39.519 Yeah, because he wants to profit off whatever direction you're going. Yep. 1:32:40.340 --> 1:32:44.200 So I got this strong feeling that Charlie was like 1:32:44.560 --> 1:32:48.019 about to bring up specifics of the questions that he has. 1:32:48.120 --> 1:32:48.380 Yeah. 1:32:48.439 --> 1:32:49.720 But kept pulling back. 1:32:49.939 --> 1:32:50.139 Yeah. 1:32:50.400 --> 1:32:52.620 And I think that Alex got the same sense. 1:32:53.360 --> 1:32:57.820 It seems to me like, you know, 19 amateurs with 1:32:57.880 --> 1:33:01.820 box cutters taking over four commercial airliners and hitting 75 1:33:01.820 --> 1:33:05.670 percent of their targets. That feels like a conspiracy theory. 1:33:05.970 --> 1:33:08.750 Well, I tell you, back in 2001, everybody admits that 1:33:08.810 --> 1:33:10.850 cell phones didn't work over 3,000 feet. 1:33:10.870 --> 1:33:12.570 How were they working at 33,000, 32,000 feet? 1:33:12.640 --> 1:33:17.479 How did al-Qaeda make NORAD stand down? Did al-Qaeda call 1:33:17.520 --> 1:33:20.440 Mayor Willie Brown of San Francisco, as the Chronicle reported, 1:33:20.479 --> 1:33:22.270 and say, don't fly to New York? 1:33:22.350 --> 1:33:23.370 No, the White House did. 1:33:24.830 --> 1:33:26.849 Did Al-Qaeda call Salman Rushdie and say don't fly to 1:33:26.890 --> 1:33:28.019 New York on September 11th? 1:33:28.050 --> 1:33:30.670 No, the Times of London reported that the White House did. 1:33:30.830 --> 1:33:35.030 Did Al-Qaeda run drills, CIA and Pentagon drills, on the 1:33:35.050 --> 1:33:37.970 morning of 9-11 of hijacked jets hitting those exact same 1:33:37.990 --> 1:33:39.849 targets at those exact same times and then. 1:33:39.910 --> 1:33:41.849 Drills the day before and drills two weeks before? 1:33:41.880 --> 1:33:46.660 Yeah, the answer to that would be probably not. 1:33:47.510 --> 1:33:50.290 I think that Alex could sense the same ambivalence that 1:33:50.370 --> 1:33:53.689 I felt in that last clip, and Sheen wasn't coming 1:33:53.750 --> 1:33:57.070 up with any specific talking points. He was saying that 1:33:57.090 --> 1:33:59.850 he had questions, but wasn't being specific about anything, and 1:33:59.880 --> 1:34:02.900 I suspect that's why Alex launched into that barrage of 1:34:02.960 --> 1:34:06.280 talking points. These are supposed to be the anomalies that 1:34:06.320 --> 1:34:09.260 represent the questions that they just can't get answers to. 1:34:10.180 --> 1:34:13.450 This is really how Alex's rhetoric works. If you're in 1:34:13.470 --> 1:34:15.689 a conversation with someone and they hit you with that, 1:34:15.870 --> 1:34:19.530 there is no way to respond. He's referenced like 10 1:34:19.530 --> 1:34:23.090 different things, some of which you probably don't know anything about. 1:34:23.390 --> 1:34:25.530 And the aggressive tone that he's taking is meant to 1:34:25.570 --> 1:34:27.870 make it clear that he's ready to defend any of 1:34:27.910 --> 1:34:30.879 these things if you push back on them. But they're 1:34:30.900 --> 1:34:33.820 all pretty hollow. And I don't count any of that 1:34:34.000 --> 1:34:38.380 as Charlie having questions about those things. Sure. He's having 1:34:38.479 --> 1:34:41.600 them projected onto him, but he didn't bring these up. 1:34:41.840 --> 1:34:41.960 Yeah. 1:34:42.500 --> 1:34:44.679 We've talked about pretty much all those points in the past, 1:34:44.820 --> 1:34:47.000 and the only thing that Charlie seems to be bringing 1:34:47.020 --> 1:34:49.780 to the table himself is that he thinks that 19 1:34:49.780 --> 1:34:53.090 amateurs would have more trouble taking over planes and that 1:34:53.110 --> 1:34:55.590 they hit too many of their targets. That's a fine 1:34:55.630 --> 1:34:58.410 concern to have, but I don't know how anyone is 1:34:58.430 --> 1:35:00.530 supposed to argue that with him. Yeah. 1:35:00.550 --> 1:35:00.830 Yeah. Yeah. 1:35:00.850 --> 1:35:00.930 Yeah. 1:35:24.890 --> 1:35:27.550 Are these actually questions that Charlie has that no one 1:35:27.570 --> 1:35:29.990 can answer for him, or are they feelings that he 1:35:30.030 --> 1:35:32.849 has that no one's been able to help reassure him about? 1:35:33.689 --> 1:35:36.050 I kind of think it's the latter, and that Alex 1:35:36.110 --> 1:35:39.219 knows that he can easily hijack feelings and make them 1:35:39.380 --> 1:35:41.780 seem like questions, and that one of the best ways 1:35:41.840 --> 1:35:44.939 to do that is this flood of supposed anomalies that 1:35:44.979 --> 1:35:47.340 gets you off your back foot and makes you go, well, 1:35:47.380 --> 1:35:49.620 I don't have answers for any of those things. 1:35:49.640 --> 1:35:49.760 Yeah. 1:35:50.060 --> 1:35:51.759 And they just reinforce the same feeling. 1:35:51.939 --> 1:35:54.980 Yeah, because if your questions are, if your questions literally 1:35:55.100 --> 1:35:57.519 are like, I don't think they could hijack planes, and 1:35:57.580 --> 1:35:59.940 I don't think they should hit that many targets, then 1:36:00.020 --> 1:36:02.160 what if the answers are just like, yeah, it was 1:36:02.180 --> 1:36:04.880 too easy to hijack planes, and anybody who hijacks shit 1:36:04.939 --> 1:36:07.180 is going to hit somewhere between 25 and 75% of 1:36:07.200 --> 1:36:09.500 their targets. They got lucky and hit the high end. 1:36:09.960 --> 1:36:12.059 Or they could have just tripped and fallen and not 1:36:12.120 --> 1:36:12.940 hijacked any plane. 1:36:13.000 --> 1:36:14.810 It's just random. Life is chaos. 1:36:15.450 --> 1:36:18.610 Yeah, maybe it's not entirely random in the rolling the 1:36:18.650 --> 1:36:21.920 dice sense of it, but like, yeah, they hit 25 1:36:21.910 --> 1:36:25.840 to 75% of their targets. We got unlucky that we 1:36:25.860 --> 1:36:28.080 live in a reality where they were at their high end. 1:36:28.350 --> 1:36:29.050 Absolutely. 1:36:29.330 --> 1:36:32.439 And like, yeah. It should be harder to take over 1:36:32.460 --> 1:36:32.800 a plane. 1:36:32.880 --> 1:36:33.420 It should be. 1:36:33.560 --> 1:36:36.620 That's one of the lessons 9-11 certainly taught people. Agreed. 1:36:36.640 --> 1:36:38.179 That changes are made. 1:36:39.040 --> 1:36:42.160 Is it satisfying enough to say there were a lot 1:36:42.240 --> 1:36:49.560 of naivete's that we operated with early September 2001? Yeah. 1:36:49.979 --> 1:36:51.750 That's not satisfying. That's not going to. 1:36:53.030 --> 1:36:56.250 No, it is like the world didn't operate that we 1:36:56.290 --> 1:36:58.689 thought it did, the way we thought it did, in 1:36:58.750 --> 1:37:01.570 a more unsafe way than we thought it was, right? 1:37:01.930 --> 1:37:04.590 But Alex's point is, well, then what we're going to 1:37:04.650 --> 1:37:07.010 do is make it seem like the world is. 1:37:07.010 --> 1:37:09.790 The least safe place in the world! No, no. 1:37:10.130 --> 1:37:14.240 The world is entirely safe. Right. Except for all of 1:37:14.300 --> 1:37:16.360 these things that the evil people are doing. 1:37:16.520 --> 1:37:17.700 Right. 1:37:17.720 --> 1:37:20.469 9-11 only happened because these evil people fucking did it, 1:37:20.540 --> 1:37:23.820 not because... Well, it's something that can happen in the 1:37:23.860 --> 1:37:25.440 chaos and randomness of the world. 1:37:25.479 --> 1:37:25.679 Yeah. 1:37:26.160 --> 1:37:29.439 The world is fucking so safe. If it weren't for 1:37:29.479 --> 1:37:30.139 these fucking globalists. 1:37:30.160 --> 1:37:31.520 If it weren't for these fucking globalists. 1:37:31.840 --> 1:37:33.240 Yeah. Silly. 1:37:33.600 --> 1:37:33.960 Yeah. 1:37:34.160 --> 1:37:37.889 Anyway, I think Charlie, for the most part, doesn't want 1:37:37.900 --> 1:37:39.240 to talk in specifics. 1:37:39.400 --> 1:37:39.599 Right. 1:37:40.050 --> 1:37:44.469 I think that's all that Alex is doing in this interview. 1:37:45.520 --> 1:37:50.320 No, it's just the more you look at stuff, especially 1:37:50.920 --> 1:37:58.740 specific incidents, specific events around the faithful day, it just 1:37:58.800 --> 1:38:01.500 raises a lot of questions. There's a lot of questions, 1:38:01.680 --> 1:38:04.890 and I know that a couple of years ago, It 1:38:04.910 --> 1:38:11.240 was severely unpopular to discuss any of this. But it 1:38:11.280 --> 1:38:14.020 sort of feels like, just in my research and in 1:38:14.040 --> 1:38:16.979 the people that I talk to and in and around 1:38:17.040 --> 1:38:22.089 my circles, it seems like the worm is turning. Because 1:38:22.100 --> 1:38:28.050 you start talking about this, even with conservative Republicans, and 1:38:28.070 --> 1:38:34.170 they can't really debate. away some of the most obvious facts. 1:38:34.650 --> 1:38:37.179 What are the obvious facts? What are the obvious facts? 1:38:37.189 --> 1:38:39.320 The worm has turned. You start talking about this stuff. 1:38:39.360 --> 1:38:43.100 The fateful day. He feels to me like somebody who 1:38:43.140 --> 1:38:47.360 doesn't really have anything, but is cool. And the only 1:38:47.720 --> 1:38:50.479 thing you're getting out of this interview is networking. Like 1:38:50.500 --> 1:38:52.160 he's just networking with Charlie. 1:38:52.520 --> 1:38:52.660 Yeah. 1:38:52.700 --> 1:38:56.880 Charlie doesn't have like some great truth to give him 1:38:56.939 --> 1:38:59.920 about 9-11. Yeah. There's no there's nothing that he's uncovered 1:38:59.960 --> 1:39:02.880 in his research that makes him a valuable source. The 1:39:03.060 --> 1:39:07.680 only thing is feeling associated. Alex is associated with this really, 1:39:07.760 --> 1:39:11.140 really famous rich guy. Yep. And the audience by proxy 1:39:11.180 --> 1:39:14.620 can feel associated, too. Yep. That's what this interview achieves. 1:39:14.720 --> 1:39:15.500 Yeah. 1:39:15.600 --> 1:39:18.189 And Alex is trying to make it more. He's trying 1:39:18.200 --> 1:39:19.280 to give him the smorgasbord. 1:39:19.350 --> 1:39:19.610 Yes. 1:39:19.689 --> 1:39:22.790 You pick one. I'll take any of these. You don't 1:39:22.850 --> 1:39:26.130 trust this? Let's talk about that. And because Charlie's not 1:39:26.150 --> 1:39:28.910 really taking the bait, which is interesting, again, in the 1:39:28.950 --> 1:39:32.150 context of how we know Charlie's career goes, you know, like. 1:39:32.650 --> 1:39:35.000 This is when he's like, I'm not going to take 1:39:35.040 --> 1:39:35.380 the bait. 1:39:35.640 --> 1:39:37.939 But I think he's taking the bait and being like, 1:39:37.979 --> 1:39:40.200 I'm comfortable with the fact that this is a baited hook. 1:39:40.229 --> 1:39:41.610 He's dipping his toes in the water. 1:39:41.650 --> 1:39:42.650 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:39:42.670 --> 1:39:43.050 You're right. 1:39:43.090 --> 1:39:43.939 You're right. I won't let him off. 1:39:43.950 --> 1:39:46.530 He's not choosing one of the buffet options that Alex 1:39:46.570 --> 1:39:48.040 is setting out in front of him, but it's not 1:39:48.100 --> 1:39:49.600 because he's against eating. 1:39:49.880 --> 1:39:50.140 Sure. 1:39:50.200 --> 1:39:53.500 I think probably because I don't know which. 1:39:53.000 --> 1:39:53.560 One of these. 1:39:53.620 --> 1:39:54.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:39:54.840 --> 1:39:57.040 I don't feel like I want to put myself out 1:39:57.100 --> 1:39:57.800 on the limb for these. 1:39:57.820 --> 1:40:00.110 He doesn't realize that Alex is not going to be like, 1:40:00.210 --> 1:40:01.890 what you don't know about Norad? 1:40:01.930 --> 1:40:03.550 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:40:03.570 --> 1:40:07.130 He could just, Alex will yes and whatever he chooses. 1:40:07.490 --> 1:40:10.570 That's just Alex wanting to be like, get more involved, 1:40:10.610 --> 1:40:12.020 get more associated in this. 1:40:12.310 --> 1:40:12.560 Yep. 1:40:13.479 --> 1:40:16.040 And so finally they do kind of get to something 1:40:16.080 --> 1:40:20.250 they can sink teeth into. Okay. And that is Building 7. 1:40:20.250 --> 1:40:20.630 All right. 1:40:20.930 --> 1:40:22.929 Building 7 got pulled, my man. Sure. 1:40:23.290 --> 1:40:27.650 Yeah, and then you've got Silverstein, the leaseholder, the owner 1:40:27.670 --> 1:40:31.309 of 7 as well as the rest of the complex, right, 1:40:32.729 --> 1:40:36.450 on tape, on the record, saying, we've had such a 1:40:36.470 --> 1:40:38.809 terrible loss of life that day, and I made the 1:40:38.830 --> 1:40:41.470 decision that they should go ahead and pull it. 1:40:41.729 --> 1:40:43.570 And we gave the order and watched the building come down. 1:40:43.970 --> 1:40:49.130 Yeah. Well, pull is the, I mean, that's as common 1:40:49.210 --> 1:40:51.590 to the demo world as action and cut to the 1:40:51.610 --> 1:40:52.269 movie world. 1:40:52.490 --> 1:40:56.460 In fact, in the same PBS documentary narrated by Kevin Spacey, 1:40:57.060 --> 1:40:59.420 or not Kevin Spacey, the other guy, he comes right 1:40:59.520 --> 1:41:03.469 out and says they cut to one of the other 1:41:04.850 --> 1:41:07.450 engineers demoing a building, and he says we're getting ready 1:41:07.470 --> 1:41:07.870 to pull it. 1:41:08.470 --> 1:41:10.910 This is the kind of evidence that Alex provides. And 1:41:10.930 --> 1:41:13.410 it's not really evidence, but it looks enough like it 1:41:13.430 --> 1:41:16.990 that it can trick people in documentaries pretty easily. Larry 1:41:17.030 --> 1:41:19.900 Silverstein said that they decided to, quote, pull it in 1:41:19.920 --> 1:41:22.900 an interview about 9-11. And Alex is presenting this as 1:41:22.960 --> 1:41:24.880 proof that he gave the order to carry out the 1:41:24.920 --> 1:41:28.340 controlled demolition. Sure. The problem is that on its own, 1:41:28.400 --> 1:41:31.850 this isn't proof of anything. In context, it's pretty clear 1:41:31.890 --> 1:41:33.990 that Silverstein was talking about the decision to pull the 1:41:34.030 --> 1:41:37.590 firefighters from the building. because he's describing a conversation that 1:41:37.630 --> 1:41:41.050 he had with the fire department commander. That guy had 1:41:41.090 --> 1:41:43.890 told Silverstein that they weren't confident they could control the 1:41:43.930 --> 1:41:46.590 fire in Building 7, so when they said pull it, 1:41:46.670 --> 1:41:49.390 they were talking about getting the firefighters out and letting 1:41:49.410 --> 1:41:51.070 the fire burn out on its own. Right, right, right. 1:41:51.090 --> 1:41:53.010 We're trying to save people's lives instead of letting them 1:41:53.050 --> 1:41:54.870 die in part of a fire that they can't even fight. 1:41:55.030 --> 1:41:57.590 Yeah, yeah. In order to prop up his own interpretation 1:41:57.630 --> 1:42:00.890 of what Silverstein said, Alex has some video of demolition 1:42:00.930 --> 1:42:03.720 people saying pull it, before they take down a building. 1:42:04.310 --> 1:42:06.380 It's a different building, and it has nothing to do 1:42:06.400 --> 1:42:09.320 with 9-11, but they use the same words, so this 1:42:09.520 --> 1:42:13.550 must mean something. Whenever someone uses the words pullet, they 1:42:13.670 --> 1:42:18.310 must be talking about controlled demolitions. We have a remarkable language, 1:42:18.390 --> 1:42:21.410 where the same words can be used in many different situations. 1:42:22.229 --> 1:42:24.710 Light it up could be used by someone turning on 1:42:24.750 --> 1:42:27.429 a lighting rig or by someone who has a joint 1:42:27.470 --> 1:42:29.670 in their hand or by someone telling a group of 1:42:29.729 --> 1:42:32.970 soldiers to open fire. If you had a video of 1:42:33.030 --> 1:42:35.939 a lighting person saying that they decided to light it 1:42:36.040 --> 1:42:38.080 up and then you played a video of a soldier 1:42:38.100 --> 1:42:40.900 saying light it up before shooting into a building, you 1:42:40.939 --> 1:42:43.380 could create the image that the lighting person was giving 1:42:43.420 --> 1:42:46.320 a kill order, but it wouldn't mean anything. And this 1:42:46.390 --> 1:42:50.310 is the same kind of game that they're playing. Yeah. And, um, 1:42:50.710 --> 1:42:53.270 I don't, I don't, it's sad. It's, it's just, come 1:42:53.310 --> 1:42:54.070 on guys. Yeah. 1:42:54.250 --> 1:42:56.930 I mean, it really does point out the, the failings 1:42:56.970 --> 1:43:01.900 of language whenever you contextually, it requires so fucking much, you. 1:43:01.850 --> 1:43:04.520 Know, like we're, we're playing from behind the gun. 1:43:04.920 --> 1:43:08.080 There's, there's no way to contextually defeat somebody who can 1:43:08.100 --> 1:43:10.979 just remove it at will. Like that was how great 1:43:11.020 --> 1:43:13.800 it was before we had recorded stuff. You didn't know 1:43:13.840 --> 1:43:16.620 if somebody said that you couldn't trust anybody. Now it's 1:43:16.700 --> 1:43:17.389 on recording. 1:43:17.400 --> 1:43:19.030 Yeah. Can't trust it. 1:43:19.050 --> 1:43:22.110 But now, yeah, you have a recording, and that could 1:43:22.130 --> 1:43:23.710 mean a hundred different fucking things. 1:43:23.770 --> 1:43:23.930 Yep. 1:43:24.650 --> 1:43:25.330 It's all the same. 1:43:25.590 --> 1:43:28.570 Yeah, and now we have fake recordings and deep fakes. 1:43:28.890 --> 1:43:35.330 Terrible. You know what, Dan? It's a hoax. It's all 1:43:35.370 --> 1:43:35.770 a hoax. 1:43:36.010 --> 1:43:37.610 This is what I was trying to get to. This 1:43:37.729 --> 1:43:38.110 is a hoax. 1:43:38.130 --> 1:43:39.639 The mercantile. The whole thing is a hoax. 1:43:39.650 --> 1:43:40.900 The Chicago mercantile. 1:43:40.979 --> 1:43:42.500 It's the Chicago of the MET. 1:43:43.530 --> 1:43:46.130 So but that was the reason that I kept that 1:43:46.189 --> 1:43:48.760 clip in and decided to discuss it was that it 1:43:48.800 --> 1:43:50.979 was something that Charlie brought up. Yeah, that was a 1:43:51.020 --> 1:43:52.479 specific that Charlie brought up. 1:43:52.620 --> 1:43:52.800 Yeah. 1:43:52.840 --> 1:43:55.639 So when he has these questions that can't be answered, 1:43:56.040 --> 1:43:58.390 this is this seems to be an example of one 1:43:58.430 --> 1:44:01.310 of those things. Right. And I'm trying to illustrate the 1:44:01.350 --> 1:44:04.710 shallowness of these questions that aren't really questions. 1:44:04.750 --> 1:44:05.010 Yeah. 1:44:05.770 --> 1:44:08.650 And so we have another one here from the Sheen man. 1:44:09.450 --> 1:44:11.430 Let me ask you, though, how long did it take 1:44:11.450 --> 1:44:14.750 to start an investigation after, I don't know, Pearl Harbor? 1:44:16.030 --> 1:44:16.570 About a day. 1:44:17.030 --> 1:44:19.250 Okay. The Titanic. 1:44:20.330 --> 1:44:21.330 It started that day. 1:44:22.350 --> 1:44:22.840 JFK. 1:44:23.530 --> 1:44:24.189 Started that day. 1:44:24.680 --> 1:44:25.780 Yeah. 1:44:25.800 --> 1:44:26.100 9-11? 1:44:27.080 --> 1:44:28.440 Started about a year later. 1:44:29.080 --> 1:44:29.340 Yeah. 1:44:29.880 --> 1:44:33.120 The investigation of all of these things started immediately in 1:44:33.240 --> 1:44:36.720 a nonspecific sense that folks were asking questions about them 1:44:36.860 --> 1:44:39.200 and the government was trying to figure out how to respond. 1:44:40.070 --> 1:44:42.809 In order to actually look at Charlie's question, we have 1:44:42.830 --> 1:44:46.170 to just deal with the official investigation, which for 9-11 1:44:46.229 --> 1:44:49.179 was the 9-11 commission, which they said took too long 1:44:49.189 --> 1:44:49.560 to start. 1:44:49.820 --> 1:44:49.979 Right. 1:44:50.540 --> 1:44:56.460 That commission was established on November 27th, 2002, which may 1:44:56.520 --> 1:44:59.839 feel like a long time after the actual event. However, 1:45:00.120 --> 1:45:02.410 let's look at some of the other examples that Charlie 1:45:02.450 --> 1:45:05.570 brings up. Hmm. He asks Alex about Pearl Harbor, and 1:45:05.630 --> 1:45:09.320 Alex says that investigation began the day later. Hmm. As 1:45:09.380 --> 1:45:12.010 we know from the famous quote, Pearl Harbor, that attack 1:45:12.050 --> 1:45:14.820 happened on December 7th, 1941, a day that will live 1:45:14.840 --> 1:45:18.470 in infamy. In Congress, the Joint Committee on the Investigation 1:45:18.490 --> 1:45:23.820 of the Pearl Harbor Attack was not established until September 6th, 1945. 1:45:23.820 --> 1:45:27.500 What? Four years later. It's almost like they had other 1:45:27.560 --> 1:45:31.219 things on their mind immediately. Sure. Should cut. 1:45:31.300 --> 1:45:35.930 But in fairness, in December 1941, President FDR did create 1:45:35.970 --> 1:45:38.770 a panel to investigate the attack headed by Supreme Court 1:45:38.830 --> 1:45:43.200 Justice Owen Roberts, which became the Roberts Commission. They directed 1:45:43.260 --> 1:45:45.559 blame at a few U.S. Navy men who were derelict 1:45:45.580 --> 1:45:48.639 in their duty and raised concerns about Japanese spies, which 1:45:48.680 --> 1:45:51.440 became part of the rationale for the internment of Japanese Americans. 1:45:51.470 --> 1:45:51.900 Good stuff. 1:45:52.450 --> 1:45:55.429 So from that information, it looks like maybe Pearl Harbor 1:45:55.470 --> 1:45:58.830 was investigated much more quickly. But that's to pretend that 1:45:58.870 --> 1:46:02.050 the 9-11 Commission was the first investigation into 9-11. 1:46:02.189 --> 1:46:02.490 Right. 1:46:03.290 --> 1:46:09.530 The joint inquiry into intelligence community activities began in February 2002. 1:46:09.530 --> 1:46:12.610 The point is, as it relates to 9-11, as is 1:46:12.650 --> 1:46:15.630 the case for all of these tragedies, there were investigations 1:46:15.670 --> 1:46:18.900 that were launched quickly, and then as more information was gathered, 1:46:19.100 --> 1:46:23.380 a full official investigation could be carried out. Usually the 1:46:23.460 --> 1:46:27.640 preliminary ones, like the February 2002 investigation with 9-11 and 1:46:27.680 --> 1:46:31.580 the Roberts Commission with Pearl Harbor, were focused on the question, 1:46:31.930 --> 1:46:35.910 how did this happen? Looking at intelligence or leadership failures 1:46:35.950 --> 1:46:39.910 that could have been responsible. This happens because, in theory, 1:46:40.050 --> 1:46:42.470 we should know everything we need to know to carry 1:46:42.530 --> 1:46:46.330 out that investigation. It has to do with us, our troops, 1:46:46.670 --> 1:46:50.810 our readiness. Those kinds of things are easier to immediately assess, like, 1:46:50.890 --> 1:46:53.330 where are the holes here? And that's what you see 1:46:53.830 --> 1:46:56.870 in these tragedies, the immediate investigations. Yeah. You can't do 1:46:56.970 --> 1:47:01.270 a 9-11 commission investigation until there's a little bit of distance. 1:47:01.390 --> 1:47:01.550 Yeah. 1:47:02.470 --> 1:47:05.180 And that's the same for every one of these examples 1:47:05.320 --> 1:47:06.019 that he lists. 1:47:06.240 --> 1:47:08.880 I mean, all of the examples that he lists to 1:47:09.220 --> 1:47:13.790 the main investigations were not like. 1:47:15.150 --> 1:47:17.730 Like how would I put it? They were commissioned on 1:47:17.770 --> 1:47:20.270 the sense of like, Hey, let's fucking do it. 1:47:20.370 --> 1:47:23.590 You know, they're, they're not commissioned on like, Oh, why 1:47:23.630 --> 1:47:26.950 hasn't anybody done this before? They're like, we've got all 1:47:26.990 --> 1:47:28.780 of this shit. We've got all this evidence all over 1:47:28.800 --> 1:47:31.260 the place. These people have their ideas. These people have 1:47:31.300 --> 1:47:33.760 their ideas. These people, all this stuff is over there. 1:47:33.900 --> 1:47:34.769 So here's what we're going to do. 1:47:34.780 --> 1:47:37.140 We're going to get you guys and you fucking do 1:47:37.200 --> 1:47:38.520 the whole thing, right? 1:47:38.580 --> 1:47:40.820 That takes so much time just to get started because 1:47:40.860 --> 1:47:42.730 you don't even know how much evidence you have, right? 1:47:42.900 --> 1:47:43.120 Yeah. 1:47:43.479 --> 1:47:43.660 Right. 1:47:43.700 --> 1:47:45.350 You don't know who you need to collect from. 1:47:45.530 --> 1:47:45.930 It's true. 1:47:46.150 --> 1:47:48.430 And you definitely don't know how you're going to discover 1:47:48.510 --> 1:47:50.870 who got here from what place if you're just starting 1:47:50.910 --> 1:47:51.310 a war. 1:47:51.990 --> 1:47:55.270 Yeah. And like, let's even like look at his list. 1:47:55.750 --> 1:48:00.190 One of them was the Titanic, like 9-11 or Pearl Harbor. 1:48:00.229 --> 1:48:01.750 Those are attacks. Yeah. 1:48:01.990 --> 1:48:02.769 Pearl Harbor. 1:48:03.530 --> 1:48:07.560 Sorry. The Titanic sunk. Yeah. Obviously, there needs to be 1:48:07.580 --> 1:48:09.840 an investigation of that, but it's not like it was 1:48:10.360 --> 1:48:12.639 sunk by a belligerent country. Yeah. 1:48:12.900 --> 1:48:15.150 It was sunk by a belligerent drunk. 1:48:15.860 --> 1:48:21.160 And an iceberg and those fucking time travelers that didn't 1:48:21.229 --> 1:48:21.780 save the ship. 1:48:21.810 --> 1:48:23.610 They were supposed to save the ship. 1:48:25.439 --> 1:48:26.940 Fucking tunnel assholes. 1:48:26.979 --> 1:48:29.620 They saved us from the meteor, but they can't save 1:48:29.660 --> 1:48:29.960 us from. 1:48:30.000 --> 1:48:30.700 Doesn't make sense. 1:48:30.780 --> 1:48:31.560 It doesn't make sense. 1:48:31.880 --> 1:48:36.600 But comparing those two or having this list, it reveals 1:48:36.640 --> 1:48:37.229 a little bit of the. 1:48:37.320 --> 1:48:39.470 I don't think your point is serious. 1:48:39.510 --> 1:48:39.790 Yeah. 1:48:39.890 --> 1:48:42.850 This is a meme conspiracy. This is like a post... 1:48:43.200 --> 1:48:45.600 That you'd see that's supposed to blow people's minds, but 1:48:45.680 --> 1:48:46.800 there isn't the depth to it. 1:48:46.960 --> 1:48:51.340 There is no situation where that, like, that is just 1:48:51.420 --> 1:48:53.900 a structure that you cannot trust inherently. 1:48:54.000 --> 1:48:56.500 Like, when did this start? The next day. I don't 1:48:56.520 --> 1:48:58.000 believe you. I already don't believe you. 1:48:58.160 --> 1:48:58.380 Right. 1:48:58.420 --> 1:49:01.140 You answered too quick. The next day is impossible. 1:49:01.300 --> 1:49:01.370 No. 1:49:01.380 --> 1:49:04.400 Who the fuck, who got to work? When did they 1:49:04.420 --> 1:49:04.960 show up? 1:49:04.960 --> 1:49:08.040 9 a.m.? The exchange between them isn't meant to reflect 1:49:08.160 --> 1:49:11.600 reality and when investigation started. It's a call and response 1:49:11.760 --> 1:49:14.900 church kind of feeling. Yep. between the two of them. 1:49:14.960 --> 1:49:16.180 It's affirmation of faith. 1:49:16.260 --> 1:49:18.780 We're just going to believe this. I don't need any 1:49:18.820 --> 1:49:19.560 more information. 1:49:19.800 --> 1:49:19.980 Yep. 1:49:20.660 --> 1:49:23.740 So what they do want, not more information, but an 1:49:23.900 --> 1:49:25.500 independent investigation. 1:49:25.520 --> 1:49:26.620 Oh, everybody loves a good investigation. 1:49:26.640 --> 1:49:28.340 We've got to get to the bottom of this thing. Independently. 1:49:28.800 --> 1:49:31.809 More than half of Americans in major polls want some 1:49:31.820 --> 1:49:32.809 type of real investigation. 1:49:32.820 --> 1:49:33.610 What would you like to see? 1:49:34.530 --> 1:49:35.930 I would like to see the same thing. I think 1:49:35.970 --> 1:49:40.809 it's got to be... It's got to be headed by, 1:49:41.250 --> 1:49:49.750 if this is possible, some neutral investigative committee. I don't know... 1:49:50.590 --> 1:49:52.950 exactly how to establish that. 1:49:53.330 --> 1:49:54.210 Well, the problem is. 1:49:54.570 --> 1:49:55.970 You would know more about that than I would. 1:49:56.180 --> 1:49:59.080 Well, the problem is they tried to, again, appoint Henry Kissinger, 1:49:59.100 --> 1:50:02.000 and they called him independent. It was like appointing one. 1:50:01.920 --> 1:50:05.420 Of Janet Reno's deputies to investigate Waco and calling it independent. 1:50:05.840 --> 1:50:06.979 What would be independent? 1:50:07.540 --> 1:50:12.179 Maybe just randomly pick 20 engineers or something and then 1:50:12.520 --> 1:50:14.430 draft them for a committee and then make sure no 1:50:14.490 --> 1:50:15.809 one tried to intimidate the witnesses? 1:50:15.850 --> 1:50:17.730 I mean, maybe just a jury of the peers. 1:50:18.840 --> 1:50:24.250 What if we use, like, retired political foreign nationals? What 1:50:24.270 --> 1:50:27.820 if we use experts that don't have any ties whatsoever... 1:50:27.850 --> 1:50:28.769 to this administration. 1:50:29.270 --> 1:50:32.450 Well, Michael Meacher, number three in the Blair government, says 1:50:32.470 --> 1:50:34.559 that he believes the government may be behind it. 1:50:34.910 --> 1:50:35.570 And then we have. 1:50:35.590 --> 1:50:36.670 Well, let's hire him. 1:50:36.689 --> 1:50:40.090 The former German defense minister saying the same thing. And 1:50:40.110 --> 1:50:43.139 a bunch of other Russian and other foreign leaders are 1:50:43.180 --> 1:50:46.040 saying the same thing. Over 80% of the French public 1:50:46.060 --> 1:50:48.980 in major polls say our government did it. So, boy, 1:50:49.000 --> 1:50:50.420 if we got foreigners to do it, I think they'd 1:50:50.439 --> 1:50:51.500 come to the same conclusion we have. 1:50:51.560 --> 1:50:52.620 Foreigners? Right, right, right. 1:50:52.640 --> 1:50:54.220 But I'm just saying as far as people that don't 1:50:54.260 --> 1:50:57.790 have a stake or don't have an interest or don't... Oh. 1:50:57.890 --> 1:50:59.420 I agree with you. I agree with you. I'm just 1:50:59.439 --> 1:51:01.120 saying that they would come to the same conclusion. 1:51:01.710 --> 1:51:01.950 Yeah. 1:51:02.310 --> 1:51:05.750 That's stupid. Yeah. But it's amazing how Alex's mind works. 1:51:06.350 --> 1:51:09.050 They're talking about how they could put together a neutral, 1:51:09.189 --> 1:51:12.510 unbiased committee to investigate 9-11. And all of the people 1:51:12.650 --> 1:51:14.900 Alex can come up with to include are people who 1:51:15.060 --> 1:51:16.640 agree with his conclusion already. 1:51:16.720 --> 1:51:18.290 The most biased people, in a way. 1:51:18.350 --> 1:51:21.320 He doesn't want an unbiased committee. He wants a committee 1:51:21.340 --> 1:51:25.880 that's pre-biased towards his conclusion. And that's actually really key 1:51:25.900 --> 1:51:29.900 to understanding him. Yep. An actually unbiased neutral jury might 1:51:29.960 --> 1:51:33.040 not always convict Alex, but they would never be persuaded 1:51:33.080 --> 1:51:35.160 by the arguments he'd be able to make in a 1:51:35.220 --> 1:51:39.479 formal setting. An actually unbiased neutral committee wouldn't reach the 1:51:39.510 --> 1:51:43.850 conclusion that, hey, maybe loose change figured 9-11 out. Nailed it. 1:51:44.229 --> 1:51:47.670 That conclusion is only coming from a rigged, highly biased committee, 1:51:47.910 --> 1:51:51.290 which is what Alex actually wants. He just insists on 1:51:51.350 --> 1:51:56.010 calling it unbiased because it sounds better and he's an idiot. Yeah. 1:51:56.030 --> 1:51:56.110 Yeah. 1:51:57.560 --> 1:52:00.019 I couldn't get this image out of my head whenever 1:52:00.040 --> 1:52:01.360 he was like, Oh, we should get a bunch of 1:52:01.410 --> 1:52:03.809 foreign nationals to do it. Who have no, I, I 1:52:03.910 --> 1:52:07.229 had this like, uh, it's like an oceans movie. 1:52:07.250 --> 1:52:10.190 I had this moment where Osama bin Laden turns around 1:52:10.229 --> 1:52:13.070 and like removes his mustache and you're like, ah, it 1:52:13.110 --> 1:52:13.790 was him. 1:52:13.830 --> 1:52:16.450 And he's leading the commission. God, that'd be great. 1:52:16.670 --> 1:52:19.509 Yeah. I mean, I mean, it wouldn't be great. 1:52:19.350 --> 1:52:21.760 To have Osama leading the investigation, but it would be 1:52:21.770 --> 1:52:23.880 a very funny image. Don't get me wrong. I don't 1:52:23.900 --> 1:52:25.860 think Kissinger is great either. No, I agree. 1:52:25.880 --> 1:52:27.240 I think these are both bad options. 1:52:27.260 --> 1:52:27.880 Bad dudes. 1:52:28.960 --> 1:52:31.980 I love the idea that Alex, the fucking Americana guy, 1:52:32.000 --> 1:52:35.770 is like, let's get, yeah, you know what, Charlie Sheen, actor, 1:52:36.189 --> 1:52:40.370 you have made a wonderful point about foreign nationals deciding 1:52:40.450 --> 1:52:41.730 what happened with our government. 1:52:42.710 --> 1:52:46.830 I don't think you can sincerely want foreign nationals to 1:52:46.890 --> 1:52:50.309 do an investigation if you also call them foreigners in 1:52:50.350 --> 1:52:51.890 the same sentence. 1:52:52.170 --> 1:52:57.430 And so Charlie's idea is retired public servants of foreign countries. 1:52:57.470 --> 1:52:59.170 People who are just servants of all. 1:52:59.450 --> 1:53:02.170 And Alex is like, okay, I know a few of them. 1:53:02.590 --> 1:53:05.720 And then he remembers a trivia piece that 80% of 1:53:05.760 --> 1:53:09.280 the French... believe that 9-11 was an inside job. So what, 1:53:09.340 --> 1:53:10.790 now we just want a jury of the French? 1:53:10.830 --> 1:53:13.250 Yeah, let's just let the French public. 1:53:13.270 --> 1:53:15.510 They gave us the Statue of Liberty and now they're 1:53:15.530 --> 1:53:17.630 going to free us from 9-11 conspiracies. 1:53:17.689 --> 1:53:18.940 Thank you, the French. 1:53:19.340 --> 1:53:22.800 The fun thing is just like thoughts like that reveal 1:53:22.860 --> 1:53:24.540 how non-sequitur his thinking is. 1:53:28.050 --> 1:53:29.630 You don't want the fucking French? 1:53:30.110 --> 1:53:31.689 I don't even know how you could get to a 1:53:31.729 --> 1:53:34.030 point where you're like, hey, 80% of the French think 1:53:34.050 --> 1:53:37.210 it's an inside job as support for anything. 1:53:37.490 --> 1:53:38.339 Yeah. Anything. 1:53:38.560 --> 1:53:39.680 Except for cheese. 1:53:40.060 --> 1:53:40.320 Wow. 1:53:40.520 --> 1:53:41.400 You don't like cheese, though. 1:53:41.540 --> 1:53:44.840 I'm not a cheese guy. I tried cheese in Paris. 1:53:45.020 --> 1:53:48.719 Yeah, let's not get into it. So, Alex, the first 1:53:48.780 --> 1:53:52.700 hour is interviewing Charlie Sheen. Yeah. And it's basically, as 1:53:52.780 --> 1:53:57.670 I've described, you know, he's ambivalent to... to take responsibility 1:53:57.710 --> 1:54:00.570 for saying too much stuff. But also, he's on board. 1:54:00.950 --> 1:54:06.990 He likes Alex. He is into these conspiracy leanings in 1:54:07.030 --> 1:54:11.729 a way that is so sadly unaware of how much 1:54:11.770 --> 1:54:16.330 of a consequence this will have. I know. But yeah, 1:54:17.250 --> 1:54:18.490 you shouldn't do this in the first hour. 1:54:18.510 --> 1:54:21.730 It is so strange. It's like. 1:54:23.000 --> 1:54:28.890 It's like, right, you're seeing somebody on that street over there, right? 1:54:29.170 --> 1:54:31.550 And you just know because five years later they get 1:54:31.590 --> 1:54:34.010 hit by a bus. You know that you can see 1:54:34.050 --> 1:54:36.370 a five-year-from-now bus coming. 1:54:36.850 --> 1:54:38.450 And you're like, you just got to move out of 1:54:38.490 --> 1:54:40.480 the way, man. But there's nothing you can do. 1:54:40.730 --> 1:54:43.620 Much like the people from the time tunnel on the Titanic. 1:54:43.680 --> 1:54:44.520 You can do nothing. 1:54:44.600 --> 1:54:46.720 You can't do anything to change the past. 1:54:46.940 --> 1:54:47.220 Yeah. 1:54:47.340 --> 1:54:49.140 Unless you were already supposed to have done that. 1:54:49.160 --> 1:54:50.380 That sucks. 1:54:50.420 --> 1:54:50.600 Yeah. 1:54:51.300 --> 1:54:53.780 Anyway, you shouldn't do this in the first hour. 1:54:53.800 --> 1:54:53.860 No. 1:54:54.080 --> 1:54:56.060 Because what do you do for the rest of the show? 1:54:56.440 --> 1:54:58.500 Three hours of college. 1:54:58.540 --> 1:54:58.980 Whatever. 1:54:59.380 --> 1:54:59.920 Whatever. 1:55:00.260 --> 1:55:02.590 So at the second hour, Alex is, I mean, he's 1:55:02.650 --> 1:55:05.950 riding high on the fact that he interviewed Charlie Sheen. 1:55:06.010 --> 1:55:07.690 But also, like, everything feels. 1:55:07.810 --> 1:55:09.170 Everything's down, yeah. 1:55:09.350 --> 1:55:13.260 But it turns out some of their stations didn't air 1:55:13.310 --> 1:55:14.720 all of it. 1:55:14.780 --> 1:55:17.580 Well, you know what happened? Our AM and FM listeners. 1:55:17.600 --> 1:55:18.020 Conspiracy. 1:55:18.700 --> 1:55:19.180 They listen. 1:55:20.520 --> 1:55:25.260 Off of the satellites, we're able to hear the whole 1:55:25.360 --> 1:55:28.420 Charlie Sheen interview. But 15 minutes towards the end of 1:55:28.460 --> 1:55:32.660 the interview, about 45 after last hour, all of the streams, 1:55:32.820 --> 1:55:35.220 I mean, there are a bunch of streams. I've got servers. 1:55:35.240 --> 1:55:38.740 The network has servers. It just maxed out and crashed. 1:55:38.800 --> 1:55:41.320 So what I'm going to do is, that interview is 1:55:41.340 --> 1:55:42.280 so important as more. 1:55:42.200 --> 1:55:43.500 And more prominent people go public. 1:55:45.020 --> 1:55:47.060 I'm just going to air that interview again next hour. 1:55:47.280 --> 1:55:49.190 We're getting a lot of requests and phones are ringing 1:55:49.230 --> 1:55:50.050 off the hook of the network. 1:55:50.490 --> 1:55:52.070 Yeah, they're just going to air it again in the 1:55:52.090 --> 1:55:53.669 third hour. Amazing. 1:55:53.810 --> 1:55:55.130 Yeah. 1:55:55.690 --> 1:55:58.010 God, that's the type of shit that only being your 1:55:58.050 --> 1:56:00.070 own boss, that's only available to you. 1:56:00.220 --> 1:56:00.480 Yeah. 1:56:00.640 --> 1:56:03.980 You know? And it also is like a reflection of 1:56:04.100 --> 1:56:07.280 we had a famous guy on. I don't think it's 1:56:07.420 --> 1:56:10.940 a terrible interview, but it's also not an interview that 1:56:11.700 --> 1:56:15.030 illuminates anything. Right. It doesn't bring to light any new information. 1:56:15.150 --> 1:56:17.310 It is just like, we got fucking Charlie Sheen on 1:56:17.330 --> 1:56:20.690 the show. And that's why it's re-aired. That's why the 1:56:20.750 --> 1:56:23.850 people are drawn to it and why Alex wants to 1:56:23.990 --> 1:56:26.800 make the most of it. Not because like we're actually 1:56:26.840 --> 1:56:28.360 breaking through anything. 1:56:28.560 --> 1:56:29.820 It is. It is. 1:56:29.840 --> 1:56:33.560 I mean, ironically, it's like if the doors open with 1:56:33.620 --> 1:56:35.620 break on through and then did break on through as an. 1:56:35.620 --> 1:56:38.680 Encore, you know, it's like, you know why, you know why. 1:56:38.700 --> 1:56:41.850 Yeah. Yeah. So he plays it in the third hour, 1:56:42.210 --> 1:56:45.110 and the second hour is kind of like waiting for 1:56:45.150 --> 1:56:48.800 that to happen. Yeah. But Alex does say something that 1:56:48.820 --> 1:56:49.580 got me excited. 1:56:50.520 --> 1:56:53.220 I snuck out last night after work and saw V 1:56:53.240 --> 1:56:54.580 for Vendetta. My wife hears it. 1:56:54.700 --> 1:56:55.560 Oh, my God. 1:56:58.330 --> 1:57:02.030 But we caught the lone mouth. I snuck off and 1:57:02.070 --> 1:57:05.590 watched it last night. And it was good. People said 1:57:05.610 --> 1:57:08.730 it was Illuminati, and I'd read some of the different 1:57:08.760 --> 1:57:10.380 synopses that were out there about it. And I'd say 1:57:10.720 --> 1:57:14.660 those were dishonest. I mean, I have questions about the Matrix. 1:57:15.220 --> 1:57:17.200 I have questions about some of the Illuminati things that 1:57:17.240 --> 1:57:17.540 are in it. 1:57:17.740 --> 1:57:17.960 Okay. 1:57:18.000 --> 1:57:19.930 Especially in the third one. 1:57:20.310 --> 1:57:20.630 Okay. 1:57:21.650 --> 1:57:24.490 What is it? Matrix revolutions or revelations? 1:57:24.530 --> 1:57:24.870 I forget. 1:57:24.890 --> 1:57:24.970 Okay. 1:57:27.180 --> 1:57:30.440 But the Wachowski brothers with V for Vendetta, I know 1:57:30.460 --> 1:57:32.220 why the media is attacking it. I mean, it shows 1:57:32.280 --> 1:57:36.100 the government carrying out terror attacks with a bird flu 1:57:36.150 --> 1:57:40.990 type weapon to get martial law, to go after their 1:57:41.010 --> 1:57:44.900 political enemies, and to sell the pharmaceutical that is the 1:57:44.940 --> 1:57:49.800 cure for it. which is what's happening in our real world. 1:57:50.160 --> 1:57:52.540 So I got excited because it's like, okay, another fucking 1:57:52.580 --> 1:57:53.600 shot at a movie review. 1:57:53.740 --> 1:57:54.160 Let's do it. 1:57:54.200 --> 1:57:56.300 We're going to fucking get V for, he just saw 1:57:56.340 --> 1:58:01.890 V for Vendetta last night. That's like, that's earthquake levels 1:58:01.930 --> 1:58:02.709 of his career. 1:58:02.730 --> 1:58:03.970 That is what we are here for. 1:58:04.070 --> 1:58:06.130 He might as well have a tattoo of a Guy 1:58:06.170 --> 1:58:06.710 Fawkes mask. 1:58:06.810 --> 1:58:07.430 Absolutely. 1:58:08.210 --> 1:58:09.950 That movie is important. 1:58:10.280 --> 1:58:11.540 Yeah. 1:58:11.580 --> 1:58:13.400 He does not really talk much more about it. God 1:58:13.420 --> 1:58:18.880 damn it. I'm hoping that maybe it's coming. Maybe the 1:58:18.920 --> 1:58:23.510 V for Vendetta review is coming. Outside of this little 1:58:23.550 --> 1:58:26.510 bit of stray, hey, it's got good messages in the 1:58:26.710 --> 1:58:30.890 prologue to how the movie... sets up the world that 1:58:30.910 --> 1:58:31.750 it exists. 1:58:31.470 --> 1:58:34.630 In yeah yeah i was really kind of hoping because 1:58:34.670 --> 1:58:37.050 i don't really remember like i was trying to remember 1:58:37.150 --> 1:58:39.410 what exactly happens and now i i don't have the. 1:58:39.370 --> 1:58:42.010 Full thing you know i've got the vibe of v for. 1:58:41.930 --> 1:58:45.460 Vendetta natalie portman i've got hugo weaving shaving her. 1:58:45.560 --> 1:58:48.540 Head and stephen fry is a show host who yeah 1:58:48.760 --> 1:58:50.540 who's gay yeah and he has. 1:58:50.360 --> 1:58:52.140 A bolt of courage at the end and then they 1:58:52.160 --> 1:58:52.760 just murder. 1:58:52.580 --> 1:58:56.810 Him uh-huh yeah and then yeah natalie portman and Becomes 1:58:56.910 --> 1:58:58.890 Guy Fawkes' acolyte. 1:58:58.990 --> 1:58:59.230 Right. 1:58:59.370 --> 1:59:02.130 And they blow up the powder plot. 1:59:02.310 --> 1:59:02.830 Remember the. 1:59:03.170 --> 1:59:07.390 Yeah. Huh. And then there's an investigator. I should rewatch it. 1:59:07.710 --> 1:59:09.410 And I would have if Alex reviewed it. 1:59:09.490 --> 1:59:10.770 Yeah. 1:59:11.150 --> 1:59:13.430 So I make this promise to you. Yeah. To the 1:59:13.490 --> 1:59:14.230 American people. 1:59:14.350 --> 1:59:15.260 If he reviews it. 1:59:15.630 --> 1:59:16.660 I will rewatch it. 1:59:16.830 --> 1:59:17.110 All right. 1:59:17.150 --> 1:59:19.190 I'll probably rewatch it anyway. Yeah, probably. 1:59:20.330 --> 1:59:22.400 Alex reviewing it will trigger a rewatch. 1:59:22.410 --> 1:59:22.760 Okay. 1:59:22.940 --> 1:59:23.230 All right. 1:59:23.640 --> 1:59:24.110 For sure. 1:59:24.140 --> 1:59:24.310 Yeah. 1:59:24.340 --> 1:59:24.450 Yeah. 1:59:25.640 --> 1:59:28.140 Oh, God. Anyway, he just replays the Charlie Sheen interview. 1:59:28.160 --> 1:59:32.760 We've had so many problems with him just following through 1:59:32.860 --> 1:59:33.700 on a movie review. 1:59:33.810 --> 1:59:36.530 Well, two in the last two 2006 episodes. Right? 1:59:36.630 --> 1:59:37.170 That's brutal. 1:59:37.190 --> 1:59:38.790 Scanner Darkly and V for Vendetta. 1:59:38.830 --> 1:59:42.170 We're owed these. Two that are important. 1:59:42.330 --> 1:59:42.610 Yeah. 1:59:42.910 --> 1:59:44.030 High up on the list. 1:59:44.110 --> 1:59:46.410 And I think have a large potential for him to 1:59:46.490 --> 1:59:48.250 misread in interesting ways. 1:59:48.350 --> 1:59:48.550 Right. 1:59:48.810 --> 1:59:50.790 I know more about Oblivion from him. 1:59:50.950 --> 1:59:51.210 Yes. 1:59:51.490 --> 1:59:53.270 But Oblivion doesn't mean shit. 1:59:53.710 --> 1:59:53.930 No. 1:59:54.170 --> 1:59:57.480 But Scanner Darkly and V for Vendetta, huge on the list. 1:59:57.490 --> 1:59:59.380 Yeah, Oblivion and Elysium. 1:59:59.620 --> 2:00:01.860 Yeah, it doesn't mean shit. Not really. 2:00:02.900 --> 2:00:07.180 So I will pray that we get this V for 2:00:07.220 --> 2:00:07.940 Vendetta review. 2:00:08.000 --> 2:00:08.560 Absolutely. 2:00:09.120 --> 2:00:12.160 But I can't promise anything. I am but a man. 2:00:12.400 --> 2:00:13.390 You can't promise it. 2:00:13.680 --> 2:00:13.860 No. 2:00:14.120 --> 2:00:14.680 No, you can't. 2:00:15.090 --> 2:00:16.790 I wish I had a V for Vendetta quote that 2:00:16.830 --> 2:00:20.930 I could twist into being about whether or not you 2:00:20.990 --> 2:00:24.390 get the review that you want. Yeah. I was waiting 2:00:24.450 --> 2:00:27.830 for you, Mr. Review. Oh, God, no. 2:00:28.550 --> 2:00:30.390 I would bet, okay, here's what I bet. 2:00:30.570 --> 2:00:34.510 I bet you could find out what episode he does 2:00:34.810 --> 2:00:37.550 a review of V for Vendetta on somewhere. 2:00:37.710 --> 2:00:37.910 Yeah. 2:00:37.970 --> 2:00:39.940 But I don't know which one it will be, which 2:00:40.060 --> 2:00:42.040 year it is. It could be at any time. 2:00:42.080 --> 2:00:44.660 Yeah, but that's cheating. No, I know. I don't want 2:00:44.680 --> 2:00:45.360 to cheapen this. 2:00:45.460 --> 2:00:46.040 That's what I'm saying. 2:00:46.060 --> 2:00:49.920 I want to find it. accidentally much like we did 2:00:49.960 --> 2:00:51.000 with this charlie sheen. 2:00:50.860 --> 2:00:53.000 Interview that's what but that's what i'm saying about this 2:00:53.060 --> 2:00:56.160 review right is that it could really come like two 2:00:56.200 --> 2:00:59.780 years from now yeah we don't know yeah it's a 2:00:59.880 --> 2:01:03.280 thief in the night when the those movie reviews finally come. 2:01:03.060 --> 2:01:05.040 Yeah and none of us are supposed to know no 2:01:06.120 --> 2:01:10.520 we see through yeah so uh We'll be back, hopefully, 2:01:10.580 --> 2:01:14.050 with movie time. But until then, we have a website. 2:01:14.110 --> 2:01:15.510 Indeed we do. It's knowledgefight.com. 2:01:15.550 --> 2:01:17.710 Yep, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Leo, I'm Leo, 2:01:17.750 --> 2:01:20.250 I'm DZX Clark. I am the Mysterious Professor. 2:01:20.730 --> 2:01:24.720 Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo! And now here comes the 2:01:24.740 --> 2:01:25.540 sex robots. 2:01:25.840 --> 2:01:27.700 Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. 2:01:29.820 --> 2:01:30.340 Hello, Alex. 2:01:30.480 --> 2:01:32.540 I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love 2:01:32.560 --> 2:01:32.900 your work. 2:01:33.060 --> 2:01:33.350 I love you.