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Speaker 1: Hey, y'all, it's Laura L. Rosa and this is the

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Speaker 1: Latest with Lauren L.

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Speaker 1: This is your daily dig on all things pop culture, entertainment, news,

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Speaker 1: and the conversations that shake the room. Now, when we

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Speaker 1: talk about conversations that shake the room, we know that

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Speaker 1: y'all love when we bring the live conversations, the sit

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Speaker 1: really special for all of my lowriders today if you've

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Speaker 1: ever seen the show Girlfriends. And I kind of feel

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Speaker 1: like a little like a dub when I say that,

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Speaker 1: because who hasn't seen the show Girlfriends? But if you

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Speaker 1: have or have not seen the show Girlfriends, we are

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Speaker 1: going to talk a lot about it today in this

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Speaker 1: episode because we have a icon joining us.

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Speaker 2: Ms Golden Brooks, who played Maya on.

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Speaker 1: The show, will be joining us to talk about in

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Speaker 1: our exhibition that has taking place in la June twenty

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Speaker 1: ninth in June twenty eighth at the Line Hotel in

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Speaker 1: La So. On June twenty ninth and June twenty eighth

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Speaker 2: I'm like, why am I saying it backwards.

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Speaker 1: Like that you'll be able to come out and check

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Speaker 1: out some art pieces that were all created by black

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Speaker 1: women artists and photographers. Because Girlfriends, the show is turning

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Speaker 1: we and when I say we, we talked to Golden

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Speaker 2: She put the whole exhibition together.

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Speaker 1: She figures out, like, you know, what is the focus

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Speaker 1: dope artist named Brittany Bird.

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Speaker 1: Some of the pieces in the show as well as

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Speaker 1: us and pour into Golden Brooks maya from Girlfriends just

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Speaker 1: our ages and you know, we started watching Girlfriends so

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Speaker 1: long ago. She you know, Golden Brooks is in this

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Speaker 2: But mar Brock, I.

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Speaker 1: Kill Golden, Tracy Ellis, Ross Lynn at everybody who has

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Speaker 1: played on this series, Jill, Marie Jones. I think that

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Speaker 2: So that's what we're doing here.

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Speaker 1: Golden Brooks maya of Girlfriends as we celebrate twenty five

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Speaker 1: years of the show. All right, all right, morning morning,

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Speaker 1: y'all are glowed up for lining and on a Sunday,

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Speaker 1: this conversation. I've been watching a lot of Girlfriends and

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Speaker 3: I think it's just so dope.

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Speaker 1: How you know, a show that we watch and now

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Speaker 1: I think that it's amazing to see art be able

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, oh, Golden, you go ahead, Golden.

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Speaker 5: I'm the co founder of Creative Fine Arts Agency DCDG. Also,

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Speaker 5: Iconic Visions, which basically partners legends like Golden works here

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Speaker 5: kind of like you said, Lauren, taking something that we

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Speaker 5: So I'm super excited to be talking about this with

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Speaker 3: Oh gosh, Hi you guys. I'm Golden Brooks.

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Speaker 7: Aka my Denise Wilks. I just I I was asked to,

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Speaker 3: To work with the d C d G, it's just

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Speaker 7: I feel I feel very honored, and I'm I still

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Speaker 3: That the show is still is still moving and and

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Speaker 7: Celebrated and empowering communities, and it's being used to to

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Speaker 3: It's mind blowing all of us.

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Speaker 7: Tracy, Jill Persia and I we're just blown away at

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Speaker 5: This is a show that we all know and love

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Speaker 7: It really is a collection about what sisterhood looks like.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and the pieces are.

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Speaker 7: Beautiful, and I mean I think that girlfriend and what

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Speaker 3: You know it's all feeling true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Golden, this is kind of like another full

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Speaker 7: In DC we we were, We absolutely were our art.

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Speaker 7: It's just it's you know, I think because Girlfriends was

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Speaker 7: But I think because it was one of the first

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Speaker 7: I think that was the first time I ever heard about,

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Speaker 7: I just think that on so many levels it showcased

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Speaker 1: Well, Golden kind of talked a little bit about what

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Speaker 1: I would love to know the first time you watched

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Speaker 1: this is like an Icebregger, first time you watched Girlfriends? What,

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Speaker 1: like what did it represent like right away to you?

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Speaker 5: My mom used to religiously watch Girlfriends like get a

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Speaker 5: represents like a motherly bond for me because that's.

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Speaker 4: Something that my mom did together.

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Speaker 5: Like that was we ate our dinner watch Girlfriends, and

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Speaker 5: my mom would literally cold Maya's like, oh hell no

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Speaker 5: all the time, she's probably watching this get in here,

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Speaker 4: Exactly.

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Speaker 5: So I mean that was definitely a bonding moment for

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Speaker 5: for sure. And then it's like when I when I

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Speaker 5: like all of like the drama and the serious. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Hell, yeah, oh my god, I'll be watching that. I'll

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Speaker 4: That right.

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Speaker 6: Definitely timeless for sure, because like a lot of I

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Speaker 3: Oh Man, thank you.

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Speaker 5: It's differing for me too, because it's like I think

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Speaker 5: It's just like it's okay to still be figuring out.

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Speaker 5: Like Girlfriends just showed such a spectrum of different types

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Speaker 5: So I feel like it's really for me to be

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Speaker 4: So I feel like Girlfriends is kind of like that's.

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Speaker 7: It's it really is crazy how it still holds up,

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Speaker 7: you know, Lynn, let me let me get that little

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Speaker 7: Right, but like you only found out about girlfriends by

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Speaker 1: So all right, y'all, So that has been the sit

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