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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Breaking news.

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Speaker 2: Tonight, teen girl Shahday Robinson tells France she's excited about

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Speaker 2: a first date with the son of a Milwaukee millionaire,

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Speaker 2: but did her so called date lure the college co

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Speaker 2: ed onto a date turned murder? Tonight, inside the underground

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Speaker 2: torture dungeon in the murder suspect's home, where a hacksaw,

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Speaker 2: a circle saw, and a power drill are discovered. Is

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Speaker 2: that where Shade spent her very last moments alive? And

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Speaker 2: if so, what evidence does it reveal? Good evening, I'm

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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being

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Speaker 2: with us.

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Speaker 3: Footage from inside the unfinished basement the police have called

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Speaker 3: a sex dungeon shows it's in disarray. A large hole

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Speaker 3: has been dug in the concrete floor. A drain in

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Speaker 3: the floor is stuffed with towels. The drink cover marked

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Speaker 3: with evidence numbers. A door without a handle leads to

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Speaker 3: a dark closet, and there are several tables, a chair

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Speaker 3: and exercise equipment. The mattress of a queen bed frame

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Speaker 3: is flipped on its side and betting is tossed over

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Speaker 3: a table in the corner of the.

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Speaker 2: Room you are seeing footage that we have managed to

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Speaker 2: obtain of the underground torture chamber as it has been described.

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Speaker 2: But there is more more than what you're seeing. From

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Speaker 2: a hack saw to a circular saw, to a power drill,

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Speaker 2: a grave dug in the backyard, various sex paraphernalia all found,

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Speaker 2: and this underground bunker belonging to the son of a

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Speaker 2: Milwaukee millionaire. We also learned that he was in fact

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Speaker 2: digging another underground layer. What if anything will this reveal?

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Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we are learning at this hour and how that

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Speaker 2: translates to probative evidence, evidence that proves something at trial.

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Speaker 2: But before I go into evidence, I want to welcome

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Speaker 2: a very special guest joining us. We have heard from

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Speaker 2: Shade's mother. She has joined us several times. Joining us

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Speaker 2: now is Shahda's father, mister Carlos Robinson. Mister Robinson, thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us. Mister Robinson, When did you

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Speaker 2: learn that Shahday had been killed?

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Speaker 4: For sure?

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Speaker 5: When the DNA came back as a match to mine.

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Speaker 5: When she was missing, I was hopefully she was still here.

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Speaker 2: Up until that point, did you you believe that she

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Speaker 2: was just missing, that she would be found.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that that's what I was praying for her, she

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Speaker 5: would be found, that that the body parts wasn't hers, and.

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Speaker 4: That she is going to be found.

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Speaker 2: Joining me a Shade's father, Carlos Robinson, Mister Robinson, there

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Speaker 2: was a moment where a volunteer, not police, but a

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Speaker 2: volunteer discovered, as it's being called, a pet tribute blanket.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people have them. We have one of

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Speaker 2: a little pet off shah Dazz and it was found

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Speaker 2: wet and dirty and filthy in a park area, a

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Speaker 2: part for children area, and nearby were human body parts.

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Speaker 2: When you heard her blanket, her little pet tribute blanket

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Speaker 2: had been found. What we it through your mind?

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Speaker 4: This, all of this is incomprehensible.

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Speaker 5: You know, I don't understand how the community and I

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Speaker 5: appreciate everything that they're doing. How they can find a

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Speaker 5: blanket that was already searched by an area that was

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Speaker 2: Was it, mister Robinson, Had that area been thoroughly searched

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Speaker 2: by authorities, because it's my understanding, volunteers found body parts

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I talked to the.

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Speaker 6: To the police after they the blanket was found, and

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Speaker 6: I asked them why they didn't find it, because they

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Speaker 6: told me they searched that area previously.

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Speaker 4: Uhuh, So I don't know how they searched it and

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Speaker 5: H Uh.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's limited resources or what.

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Speaker 5: Uh Huh, it's it's it's it's I don't feel like

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Speaker 5: it's a lot of uhh.

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Speaker 4: Uhh uh real.

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Speaker 5: Effort being put trying to find her. I've been here,

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Speaker 5: uh since eleven o'clock last night. I haven't been to sleep.

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Speaker 5: I've been to the parts, I've been all over uh

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Speaker 4: I just need to I just want to find her,

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Speaker 4: you know, But I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't feel like it's a it's a let's say, uh,

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Speaker 2: Mister Robinson, what are you looking for?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 5: I keep uh, there's only two body parts left we

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Speaker 5: I just want her to at least rest in peace.

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Speaker 5: Oh huh, and uh I can't. I can't do that

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Speaker 5: me see the body parts they have because it said

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Speaker 4: So uhh.

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Speaker 5: I'm just trying to do what I can do to

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Speaker 5: finally hope that she leads me to her.

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Speaker 2: Mister Robinson, just thank you so much for speaking with

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Speaker 2: us today, because I know your heart is breaking and

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Speaker 2: I think the closest person in the world to me ever,

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Speaker 1: Tell me about Shade in life.

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Speaker 4: My baby girl was an amazing person. She was She

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Speaker 4: was full of love. She was a giver.

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Speaker 5: She would give it a shirt off for me. She

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Speaker 5: had a very good heart. She was intelligent. She was

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Speaker 4: To be wrong, m hm.

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Speaker 5: She had so much potential. We talked a lot about

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Speaker 5: our future and what she wanted to do with her direction.

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Speaker 4: She wanted to do, but I told her the.

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Speaker 5: World as her western she makes that decision to let

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Speaker 2: Mister Robinson, what did she want to be When she

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Speaker 2: got out of college, what did she want to do?

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Speaker 4: Her goal was to be a lawyer.

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Speaker 6: Ultimately, oh, she was graduating from criminal justice a.

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Speaker 4: But she was.

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Speaker 5: She was torn between military and being a lawyer. But

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Speaker 5: she always wanted to be a lawyer, so I think

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Speaker 5: she was more leaning towards that than military.

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Speaker 2: Mister Robinson. My brother and my sister and I were

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Speaker 2: first generation college graduates, and I think that was one

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Speaker 2: graduated from college. How proud of this girl, this beautiful girl,

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Speaker 2: shah Day, How proud of her? Were you going to college?

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Speaker 2: Paying her way? Working?

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Speaker 1: I mean, this girl did it all she did.

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Speaker 4: She was a very independent minded person. She would call

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Speaker 5: And and tell me, you know that I'm doing this

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Speaker 5: or I'm doing that. She had and that was just

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Speaker 5: what she was doing was just the tip of her potential.

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Speaker 4: She could be anything. She lost. She could have been

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Speaker 2: Would she tell you on the phone that she loved you?

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Speaker 4: Well, we always love each other. She always lived. She

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Speaker 2: Mister Robinson, you stated that two body parts have not

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Speaker 2: been found. What part of shah Day has not been found.

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Speaker 4: Her head.

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Speaker 7: And one of her arms.

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Speaker 2: Sir, when you learned that she was quote excited about

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Speaker 2: her date with this Milwaukee millionaire son, what goes through

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Speaker 5: None of it makes sense to me. She did not

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Speaker 5: seem to this guy was not her type at all.

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Speaker 5: Me and her mom talked about it.

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Speaker 4: We don't understand it.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how he got her to come to

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Speaker 5: his house, but that's not something I could see my

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Speaker 4: Oh, you know, she my.

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Speaker 5: Daughter was attrice to the people that because when she

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Speaker 4: Uh, that this guy, I like this guy, and this

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Speaker 4: guy he reminds me of you. He's very protective of me,

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Speaker 4: and uh, you know, things like that was her It was.

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Speaker 5: The quality she looked for and this guy has none

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Speaker 5: of these qualities. So I just don't that dynamic don't

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Speaker 2: Mister Robinson, we are learning about this guy underground torture chamber.

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Speaker 2: What goes through your mind when you hear about that?

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Speaker 2: I think my father would just lay down on the

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 5: The one of the questions I asked in the beginning

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Speaker 5: to the officers, was.

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Speaker 4: Was the was this and this happened post mortar or

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Speaker 4: They told me she uh uh they were postmoder m hmm.

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Speaker 5: But still be uh the dude, it takes a different

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Gray.

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Speaker 2: Sunday Robinson, a teen girl thrilled about a first date

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Speaker 2: with the son of a Milwaukee millionaire, murdered and dismembered,

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Speaker 2: not sure in what order. Her dad is out alone

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Speaker 2: with a flashlight looking for shah Dat's head and arm.

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Speaker 2: Where are the police? Where are the cadaver dogs? Why

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Speaker 2: is mister Robinson out with a flashlight trying to find

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Speaker 2: his daughter's remains, saying that his brother, sister, and nephew

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Speaker 2: are going to join him. Can you even imagine your

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Speaker 2: father out with a flashlight looking for your remains? What

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Speaker 2: this family has been through this as we are learning

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Speaker 2: about an underground torture chamber, including a hack.

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Speaker 1: Saw a circle, saw a power drill.

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Speaker 2: Joining me. Bria Jones, investigative reporter of Fox six News Milwaukee, Bria,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us the video we obtained

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Speaker 2: of the basement. As some people would call it, but

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Speaker 2: it was set up to be a sex and torture chamber.

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Speaker 2: There's really no question about that.

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Speaker 9: What do you know, Bria, Well, Nancy, this is my

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Speaker 9: first time seeing that video. I can tell you that

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Speaker 9: we have spoken with someone who knows Maxwell Anderson, saying

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Speaker 9: that they were friends. They told us that they actually

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Speaker 9: have been to that home. They described the home to

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Speaker 9: us as messy. That woman that we spoke with and

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Speaker 9: said that she's been over there several times, that Maxwell

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Speaker 9: Anderson was a friend. Right now, there's just a lot

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Speaker 9: of contention surrounding that at home. The first two weeks

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Speaker 9: after Shotty disappeared and then was found dismembered, people constantly

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Speaker 9: were going to the home every single day. We saw

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Speaker 9: Milwaukee police officers actually outside of their home because people were,

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Speaker 9: of course curious, trying to go behind the home, taking pictures,

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Speaker 9: taking video. They're also furious that they believe that family

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Speaker 9: members are actually allowed to go in the side of

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Speaker 9: the home to clean and clear things out. But again,

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Speaker 9: the Sheriff's office addressing all those issues. On Friday, they

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Speaker 9: said on the statement saying that they are not stopping

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Speaker 9: their search. They are continuing the surch They also said

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Speaker 9: that if the home is sold, that will not impact

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Speaker 9: their investigation. They also said that no one has been

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Speaker 9: allowed to inappropriately enter the home since it became PSI.

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Speaker 2: What more do we know about the so called sex

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Speaker 2: and tortured dungeon? Was this where teen girl Shay Day

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Speaker 10: Maxwell Anderson had a sex dungeon in the basement of

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Speaker 10: Cops found a sex sling restraints in handcuffs. A close

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Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel. But first to Scott Johnson,

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Speaker 2: What grown man continues to build underground layers? He's got

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Speaker 11: He sounds like a sexual sayist. So he's progressing, He's

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Speaker 11: would be the working theory is that he's simply banding

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Speaker 2: Eric Fattus, you're a high profile trial lawyer, TV analyst,

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Speaker 2: that video I just played, and we find all about

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Speaker 2: throughout the defendant's home, and his zeal to dig yet

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Speaker 2: another underground layer. What do you do with that? Fattest?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Nancy, I mean I'm a seasoned criminal law attorney,

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Speaker 7: describe these things shutter to myself as to the depravity

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Speaker 7: And so you know, when the jury hears about these

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Speaker 7: inflammatory discoveries that we're hearing about week after week, it's

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Speaker 7: it's looking very.

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Speaker 2: Bad, very fattus. Are you familiar with the program The Office?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Okay, do you remember when Michael always says what she said?

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Speaker 2: Remember that that's what you just did.

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Speaker 1: If I just said how horrible.

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Speaker 2: This is going to be in front of a jury.

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Speaker 2: You're the defense lawyer? What do you do with it?

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Speaker 2: Try to get it thrown out? Argue there's no foundation

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Speaker 2: for the video? What what can you argue? Yes, he's

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Speaker 2: Is that where you're going?

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Speaker 7: You know, from a cruel defense perspective, if this is,

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Speaker 7: certainly it challenge one thing that the government has not

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Speaker 7: yet established is exactly the cause of death? How shawde

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Speaker 7: Robinson perished, and so I could just foresee the criminal

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Speaker 7: defense team spinning up something saying like, hey, there may

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Speaker 2: He tried to cover up what happened afterwards.

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Speaker 7: And I'm just wondering if that's the avenue that the

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Speaker 2: Oh, dear Lord in Heaven, you know what satan just

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Speaker 2: came out of your mouth? Yeah, that's exactly where they're going.

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Speaker 2: You're right, fattus, Okay, Doctor Kendall Crowns is joining me.

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Speaker 2: Chief medical Examiner, Terence County, Lecturer, Burnett School of Medicine

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Speaker 2: around ten thousand autopsies. You think maybe more, Doctor Crowns,

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Speaker 2: How can can you, a medical examiner, look at the cuts,

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Speaker 2: just told us that he is still looking for Chahda's

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Speaker 2: But you, doctor Crown's, can you look under a microscope

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Speaker 8: So the answer to that is yes, you can look

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Speaker 8: if you will, and you know that the heart was

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Speaker 8: looking for is hemorrhage and the tissue or blood and

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Speaker 2: Joining me an All Star panel as we delve into

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Speaker 2: potential probitive evidence that it's now being discovered in a

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Speaker 2: so called underground torture chamber. Very disturbing to think that

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Speaker 2: this young girl, Shade Robinson, spent her last moments on

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Speaker 2: basement torture chamber full of sex paraphernalia, powersaw hack, saw

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Speaker 2: fattis trial lawyer, former prosecutor. What evidence would you be

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Speaker 2: searching for right now? I would grab and bag every

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Speaker 2: look for microscopic evidence of blood. We know blood is

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Speaker 2: found in the home. So far it has not matched shade,

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Speaker 2: which begs the question whose is it? Is there another victim?

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Speaker 2: But what evidence are we looking for in that torture chamber?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Nancy, I think it's fawn on to look at

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Speaker 7: every single tool, every single instrument that you know, maybe

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Speaker 7: then also I would ask the neighbors whether they've heard

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Speaker 4: Those things make.

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Speaker 7: Noise, and perhaps Maxwell Anderson tried to muffle them. But

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Speaker 7: I'm just wondering what the neighbors have heard over the

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Speaker 2: Well, we know Eric fattis that the son of the

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Speaker 2: you look at this house, it's certainly deceiving. It's neatly

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Speaker 2: Scott Johnson, looks can be deceiving, can't they?

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Speaker 11: They shirt down? Then, you know, most sadists are going

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Speaker 11: no different than with domestic abuse. You like the people,

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Speaker 2: Let's take a look at the outside again, because Scott Johnson,

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Speaker 2: See a mind in disarray, which tells me a lot.

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Speaker 11: Right, and obsessive compulsiveness is very common with say this

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Speaker 4: He would like it to be.

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Speaker 11: With his obsessive compulsiveness.

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Speaker 2: Scott, what does a mind in disarray tell me? And

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Speaker 11: But trying to get it right is what the sayist

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Speaker 2: Kendall Crown's, chief medical Examiner Terrant County and lecturer at TCU.

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Speaker 2: Doctor crowns can the or hypothetically, could the hack saw,

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Speaker 2: Can you match up the tool to tool markings on

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 8: Actually, usually it's on the bone. The saws will leave

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Speaker 1: Bit crime stores with Nancy Gray.

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Speaker 12: I'm come here today. This is the hardest thing I

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Speaker 12: Shaddy's voice. Shaddy was a beautiful soul. She was an

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Speaker 12: I couldn't have asked for any better. Totter, there was

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Speaker 2: You are hearing Shade's mother speak through her tears about

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Speaker 2: looking for this beautiful co ed's remains. That's just one

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Speaker 10: In an update from the Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office, deputies

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Speaker 10: that Anderson had been released from custody, stating that Anderson

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Speaker 2: Joining me Bria Jones, investigative reporter Fox News six. Bria again,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. What can you tell

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Speaker 2: know that some of Shadai's body parts seemingly washed up

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Speaker 2: look at his track record. If he threw some of

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Speaker 9: That's right, Nancy, I think that's the big question right now.

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Speaker 9: Where is Shadai. Shaddy's birthday is actually May tenth, when

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Speaker 9: her family plans to have her memorial here in Milwaukee.

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Speaker 9: So that's why now her father is here desperately searching

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Speaker 9: for her.

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Speaker 4: Head and her arm.

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Speaker 9: Every single day. Her family members have been seeming to

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Speaker 9: be leading these searches. Again, as you mentioned, and you

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Speaker 9: said time and time again, we've not really seen much

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Speaker 9: law enforcement continuing their search. However, they say they are searching,

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Speaker 9: But right now it appears that it's the family. It's

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Speaker 9: the nonprofits. They're asking for volunteers, they're acting for waiters,

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Speaker 9: they're acting the public constantly. Force applies because they're going

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Speaker 9: out daily in the searching the water. Again, law enforcement

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Speaker 9: is saying that they are also searching. We saw some

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Speaker 9: evidence of those searches last week. However, it's the family

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Speaker 9: that's on the boosts, on the ground daily doing their searches.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know they say that they're continuing to search,

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Speaker 2: but that is not what I'm hearing from mister Robinson.

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Speaker 2: He's out where the flashlight searching, and I know my

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Speaker 2: father would be doing the very same thing. Another technical

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Speaker 2: forensic issue has arisen, the potential that there are more bodies,

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Speaker 2: that there is more than one victim. Listen.

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Speaker 3: In Maxwell Anderson's home, police discovered gas cans in the

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Speaker 3: garage and blood in several areas, including on betting and

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Speaker 3: the wall of a stairwell leading to the basement. After

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Speaker 3: initial DNA test. An amended probable cause affidavit reveals that

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Speaker 3: the blood is not a match to Shote Robinson. Authorities

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Speaker 3: have not made any indication of who the blood belongs to,

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Speaker 3: possibly another victim or Anderson himself.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Kimdall Crown's joining as Chief medical Examiner Terrance County.

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Speaker 2: That's Fort Worth. Doctor Kendall Crowns, I had the opportunity

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Speaker 2: to work several spree killings, including the being on the

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Speaker 2: scene at the Fulton County Courthouse shooting where multiple victims

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Speaker 2: were killed. Prior to that, I handled multiple victims murders

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Speaker 2: in various locations, including outside. Question to you, doctor Crown's,

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Speaker 2: when you process the saying where more than one person

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Speaker 2: has been murdered, that's a whole another trick when you're

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Speaker 2: trying to determine multiple DNA, various blood types, various fingerprints,

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Speaker 2: various hair. I'm wondering if there's going to be hair

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Speaker 2: blood fingerprints on those power tools, how do you now

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Speaker 2: that we know there's blood from another person in that home,

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Speaker 2: how do you go about processing a sane like this.

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Speaker 8: So in this particular case or in that situation that

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Speaker 8: you're describing, you would have to document each item, take

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Speaker 8: swabs of all the items, and then give them each

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Speaker 8: individual numbers, and then start going through the process of

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Speaker 8: identifying the DNA, seeing if there's matches, seeing if there's

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Speaker 8: matches with missing persons. It can be a very lengthy,

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Speaker 8: tedious process because there can be so so many specimens

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Speaker 8: that are available in those scenes such as that.

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Speaker 2: Bria Jones joining US investigative reporter of Fox six News,

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Speaker 2: Bria Jones, it's my understanding that the suspect who maintains

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Speaker 2: this innocence that the suspects family has gone into the home.

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Speaker 2: Is that true?

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Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, what I can tell you is that that's

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Speaker 9: what Shaddy's family is saying. That some of them have

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Speaker 9: publicly shared videos and pictures of people that have been

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Speaker 9: going in and around the home. The Sheriff's office again

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Speaker 9: saying that people, if they have been allowed to enter

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Speaker 9: the home, that they were not allowed to do so

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Speaker 9: and appropriately. They also doubled down that this would not

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Speaker 9: impact or affect the investigation in any way. But we

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Speaker 9: have seen again trash backs outside of the home after

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Speaker 9: people were seen near it.

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Speaker 2: And of course if the suspect's family members are going

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Speaker 2: in there, such as his mom or dad. They may

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Speaker 2: know things that we don't know, like that he kept

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Speaker 2: a diary and where it might be. There's just plethora

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Speaker 2: of items that could be of value to this case.

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Speaker 2: But of course law enforcement says they've searched it and

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Speaker 2: they are allowing people in. I don't know how it

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Speaker 2: strikes you, but it doesn't strike me very well. Scott

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Speaker 2: Johnson forhenysic Psychologist. I think I would be looking now

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Speaker 2: also to the suspect's online activity, possibly being a member

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Speaker 2: of chat rooms, dating websites, how he portrayed himself. What

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Speaker 2: do you think about that avenue?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, there's likely searches that he's done online communications he's

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Speaker 11: have and say this and others may communicate with each

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Speaker 11: other just you know, shooting the crap in their mind,

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Speaker 11: but discussing crimes and certainly again communication they've had with

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Speaker 11: family and what does family know? And again it's concerning

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Speaker 11: that the house is not yet secured because as more

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Speaker 11: information may come about, you know, what are we missing

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Speaker 11: from the house and family members involved sadus or psychopath

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Speaker 11: that's a genetic issue. Are other family members involved in this?

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Speaker 11: So that would also be another avenue we'd want to

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Speaker 11: look at and what the hell do they know?

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Speaker 2: All I can think about right now is Chadet's father.

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Speaker 2: He is out manned with the flashlight, with his brother

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Speaker 2: and his sister and his nephew, looking for his daughter's

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Speaker 2: head and her arm our. Prayers with him. We are

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Speaker 2: stopping now to remember an American hero investigator, Samuel Poloche, Charlotte,

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Speaker 2: North Carolina. This upstanding investigator gunned down while serving in

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Speaker 2: a resta warrant Charlotte, a fourteen year veteran of the

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Speaker 2: Adult Correction Institutes investigator Poaloch, leaves behind a grieving wife, Clo,

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Speaker 2: and two children, Samuel and Gavin. American hero investigator Samuel Poloche.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to our guests for being with us tonight.

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Speaker 2: A special thank you to all of you joining us

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Speaker 2: here seeking justice for Shade. I'man c. Gray Sidiloff. Good

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Speaker 2: Night's