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Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Brian brought us. Well. Welcome
Speaker 1: to day three of the two thousand and nineteen NFL Combine.
Speaker 1: As the Big Boys Guy said, it's Brian brought us
Speaker 1: along with David Hellman, will be joined shortly by Dane Brugler,
Speaker 1: who had an assignment that he had to take care of.
Speaker 1: So well, this is the perfect illustration of the NFL
Speaker 1: combine because you got about nineteen things pulling you in
Speaker 1: nineteen different directions, and Dane, Dane's out handling one thing
Speaker 1: and then another thing pops up. One minute you're trying
Speaker 1: to grab a quick bite, and the next minute, Jason
Speaker 1: Witten's back on the team. Exactly just that kind of week,
Speaker 1: you know. That's what the that's the fun thing about
Speaker 1: the combine that that you have so many things that
Speaker 1: going on on, and it's what makes things so interesting
Speaker 1: about the combine. Were like all you can see is
Speaker 1: our backdrop here, but like we're three feet away from
Speaker 1: CBS Sports there's nineteen other teams doing podcasts the bench press.
Speaker 1: They're not doing it now, but during the course of
Speaker 1: the day they're doing the bench press about fifty feet away.
Speaker 1: About fifty feet further away than that is where they
Speaker 1: do the interviews, and it's usually all happening, happening simultaneously. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you get it. It's hectic experience. It's a lot. It's
Speaker 1: actually a lot of fun. Best the way it's the
Speaker 1: way it's all set up, and we've we've talked about
Speaker 1: that is a bunch and but today we finally got
Speaker 1: to see some workout. It feel like it was a
Speaker 1: long wait this you know, you were talking about that earlier.
Speaker 1: You're talking about that at dinner one night, and I
Speaker 1: was kind of thinking, no, this is kind of what
Speaker 1: we normally do. It feels like we've been here for
Speaker 1: a year and we just now got to see guys
Speaker 1: work out well. Today, Like David was talking about the
Speaker 1: we had the offensive linemen and then also the running backs,
Speaker 1: which is a unique combination because usually you're in a
Speaker 1: situation where, uh, you know, like back in the day,
Speaker 1: it was always just the offensive lineman, and now this
Speaker 1: is she goes shows you what the influence of TV.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, has on the Combine because tomorrow you
Speaker 1: get wide receivers and quarterbacks on Saturday on exactly so anyway,
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's so we'll we'll get to that part
Speaker 1: of it though, But uh, I do want to focus
Speaker 1: in on and we welcome in Dane Brugler. Appreciate you
Speaker 1: always well. But David and I were talking about though, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the things, the layout, the way things are
Speaker 1: at the Combine, But we're talking about today being the
Speaker 1: first day that we actually physically got to see workouts,
Speaker 1: and and it's nice to have you on today as
Speaker 1: always because you were in the stadium right you got
Speaker 1: to the opportunity to go in and watch the offensive
Speaker 1: lineman Um participate paid in drills go through. You know,
Speaker 1: I was here kind of manning the TV screen in
Speaker 1: front of me and kind of keeping all the numbers.
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, I'm I'm sure we can all
Speaker 1: get into what we saw today and your impressions. You know,
Speaker 1: you getting to see really the live look were as
Speaker 1: a group. Was it what you thought it was with
Speaker 1: all these offensive tackles, with these centers, you know, the
Speaker 1: running backs? I mean, was it what you thought it
Speaker 1: was going to be today once you saw these guys live,
Speaker 1: Like most positions, some guys were exactly what you thought,
Speaker 1: others disappointing, others were maybe a little better. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's still beneficial when you get to see these
Speaker 1: guys live. Yeah, they just the way they move, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just a little different compared to the tape. And
Speaker 1: Andre Dillard and he was as advertised, he was moving
Speaker 1: differently in the state offensive tackleing. Um just yeah, the
Speaker 1: pitter patter of the feet, the hips, the balance, really impressivement.
Speaker 1: I'm not just talking about forty yard dash. I'm talking
Speaker 1: the positional drills, pulling stuff, the mirror drills. The movements
Speaker 1: were really impressive. And if you tell me, you know,
Speaker 1: fast forward to the draft, you told me Andre Delos
Speaker 1: top ten, I wouldn't be shocked at all. Yeah, see
Speaker 1: I kind of had yeah, wow, hey, you're a left
Speaker 1: tackle with those feet. I mean, we've been talking about
Speaker 1: him as one of the better tackles in this class
Speaker 1: the whole time, but that is that's some high praise.
Speaker 1: You know. I thought it was really kind of borderline
Speaker 1: for me of him being a first round player or
Speaker 1: you know, right in that you know, maybe that maybe
Speaker 1: the back end, maybe the front end. But I think
Speaker 1: now teams are going to look at him and the footwork.
Speaker 1: As you said, Dane matches how the tape is of him.
Speaker 1: He's he plays on his feet, he's not on the ground,
Speaker 1: he's in control. He looks completely comfortable and anything they
Speaker 1: were asking him to do. And again, like Dane says,
Speaker 1: it's not about with the forty time with him, because
Speaker 1: the forty time was outstanding. But you know, I think
Speaker 1: you have to talk about him with the other tackles
Speaker 1: in this draft that the top tackles and drafting, like
Speaker 1: Dane says, a little rich for me. If he goes
Speaker 1: top ten. You said you wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he will, but would be. But because there's
Speaker 1: you know, let me tell you what the the Taylor
Speaker 1: kid had a really nicer one Taylor. Yeah, and he's
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent. Yeah, you know, he's still working
Speaker 1: with the hamstring, can't remember what the I see what
Speaker 1: what what's impressive about him and Williams from Alabama to
Speaker 1: me was when you look at them both that they
Speaker 1: you know, you talk about guys that play left handed
Speaker 1: stance and then when they asked him to switch and
Speaker 1: put the right hand on the ground and then try
Speaker 1: and do drills and stuff, it was comfortable. It wasn't
Speaker 1: one of those things like, Okay, he looks he's clearly
Speaker 1: has to be a left tackle or he clearly has
Speaker 1: to be a right tackle. David Hellman. Yeah, which I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it as a as a whole and
Speaker 1: talk about this offensive line class, especially the tackle class.
Speaker 1: Tackle is what I'm looking at. Is I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm interested to hear y'all talking so glowingly because I
Speaker 1: don't want to say it was weak, but I feel
Speaker 1: like y'all weren't always this sould on these guys offensive tackles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's fair because I mean at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the process, like when you talk about the strongest
Speaker 1: position in this draft defensive line, and we didn't mention
Speaker 1: tackle as much. But I think it became pretty clear,
Speaker 1: like after you watched Jawan Taylor from Florida, who we
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily know it was coming out as a junior. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we knew I joined Williams, but you know,
Speaker 1: once you really fully understood Dillard was a top guy,
Speaker 1: you know, for little I mean to hear you and again,
Speaker 1: we've talked about Dillard plenty, and I would have said
Speaker 1: even before we got here, I would have said he's
Speaker 1: probably a first round pick. To hear you say top
Speaker 1: ten though, get like, my impression at least of this
Speaker 1: of this group is like, yeah, there's some good players here.
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, Laramy Tunsel was your top
Speaker 1: graded guy in an entire draft. Like not talking about
Speaker 1: that guy that kind of blows you away from the
Speaker 1: get at least until now. And that's fair. And it's
Speaker 1: just these tackles are going to be so different for everybody.
Speaker 1: If if if a team's told you that Diller was
Speaker 1: our top tackle, I don't know, that wouldn't surprise me. No,
Speaker 1: But another team might have him forth behind Taylor and
Speaker 1: Ford and Williams. You know, Yeah, it's gonna be different
Speaker 1: for everybody. But um, you know, I don't think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be around for those like the Texans sitting at
Speaker 1: twenty three. I don't think he's gonna be around like
Speaker 1: we might have thought at the Senior Bowl. And you know,
Speaker 1: I give Diller to a lot of credit at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl you know, the first time he ever put
Speaker 1: his hand on the ground. Yeah, you know, like he's
Speaker 1: you know, and just in terms of your movement from
Speaker 1: that stance and everything, he's improved a lot just from
Speaker 1: the end of the season. Yeah, I just you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny that you said that, because I felt like
Speaker 1: that we I felt like we had a handle on
Speaker 1: the tackles, you know, I felt like that we had
Speaker 1: talked about that there's gonna be well. I I kind
Speaker 1: of thought though, and again I wrote about this when
Speaker 1: we first got here, was that Taylor from Florida and
Speaker 1: Williams from Alabama. There were people telling me when I
Speaker 1: was asking questions about they were and then I did.
Speaker 1: I did a spot with the Giants today, you know,
Speaker 1: and and their group, and thank you very much Giants
Speaker 1: for having me over there. It was really a lot
Speaker 1: of fun over there to work with them. But there
Speaker 1: they were there there. Everybody that they had interviewed was
Speaker 1: talking Taylor over Williams as well. So you know, maybe
Speaker 1: this is something that uh, again, we always talk about
Speaker 1: the draft scouts, you know, the media scouts and the
Speaker 1: draft scouts. You know, I like to think that you're
Speaker 1: kind of dealing with scouts here, you know, dealing with
Speaker 1: scouts guys that have done this, so you know when
Speaker 1: the media scouts and then they kind of catch up
Speaker 1: with with really what's going on there. So okay, the tackles, uh,
Speaker 1: sinners shine today a little bit, right, and then Garrett
Speaker 1: Bradberry especially and I wrote about this today and my
Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, impressive day for Garrett Bradberry. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: two most impressive guys I saw today were Dillard and Bradbury.
Speaker 1: Bradbury he started the week strong, thirty four reps on
Speaker 1: the bench over there, and then he finished strong the morning. Uh,
Speaker 1: really really impressive with his movement skills. Uh, just his
Speaker 1: hip action, his body control on the move. Just overall.
Speaker 1: He's a plug, especially for his zone teams. He's a
Speaker 1: plug in play center. Um. You know, if if you're
Speaker 1: a zone team and the teens and you need a center,
Speaker 1: plug Garrett Bradbury and you have a starter for the
Speaker 1: foreseeable future and you're doing just fine at that position.
Speaker 1: And he comparisons to maybe like Kelsey l Philadelphia, that
Speaker 1: makes sense. I think that I think a lighter guy,
Speaker 1: lighter guy. But the initially if he's uncovered, he's like
Speaker 1: he's out there, he's on the edge, he's second level.
Speaker 1: He can. I love watching you pantomime this stuff like this,
Speaker 1: ye Berry, that's a grabbed turn and you know, and
Speaker 1: that's that's Bradbury because yeah, he pinning pool or yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: there you go, ceiling combination. He can do all that
Speaker 1: and uh, you know it's something that but the tape
Speaker 1: showed that too. It did. And then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden you chew up at the combine, Dave, and here's
Speaker 1: the guy actually doing that, you know, I mean, doing
Speaker 1: all the things that Dane was talking about. I love
Speaker 1: the and I'm not saying I feel this way, but
Speaker 1: you know, the honestly tired cliche of like the underwear
Speaker 1: Olympics and yeah, like obviously like the tape is so
Speaker 1: much more important. But to I mean to y'all, to
Speaker 1: see him to be able to do this stuff and
Speaker 1: and have that lateral you know, I have the agility, ability, athleticism, um,
Speaker 1: and to see it in person, Yeah, I'm jealous that
Speaker 1: you got to go over there today. I'm glad. I'm
Speaker 1: glad you did. It was helpful, Yeah, sure, but to
Speaker 1: see but to see that translate and not you know,
Speaker 1: be able to show off that athleticism outside of you know,
Speaker 1: the scheme of of of football. I think it's not
Speaker 1: as important as tape, but it is. It's worthwhile. It's
Speaker 1: part of the puzzle for our for our buddy Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: who at the school at Texas A and M University
Speaker 1: another center. You love this guy, Eric McCoy and see
Speaker 1: he and I when I wrote about him, I said,
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not convinced I'll ever make a Pro Bowl,
Speaker 1: but he's gonna be a rock solid starter for a
Speaker 1: long time. You know, just plug him in. He's good.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if he's Pro Bowl level,
Speaker 1: you know where he's gonna be that type of guy
Speaker 1: because he's not explosive, but he's quick and he's strong
Speaker 1: enough and he's gonna create stalemates and as a center,
Speaker 1: as an offensive lineman, that's that's all you want. You
Speaker 1: could watch him play against Alabama and you know he's
Speaker 1: going up against Williams and guys like that inside, those
Speaker 1: big bugs, those big guys inside, and he's holding his own.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not getting driven back, he's playing square.
Speaker 1: He's getting guys turned. Clemson, Clemson Clemson was another one.
Speaker 1: If you mean there's some quality film if you want
Speaker 1: to watch Eric McCoy from Texas. And and again the
Speaker 1: speed that the time for him, I think was in
Speaker 1: the low four nines. I think I think he had
Speaker 1: the fastest time of all the offensive lineman today. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I first noticed him at the Senior Bowl and in
Speaker 1: Danes like, you haven't watched this kid, haven't. You haven't
Speaker 1: studied this guy. And I'm like, okay, I get it.
Speaker 1: I'm going to study. No, no, But but you know
Speaker 1: you're good. You're good in that way because you wanted
Speaker 1: me to study these We're gonna get me. You're gonna
Speaker 1: get You're gonna running people look at Miles Sanders. Yet
Speaker 1: that's what my notes I said that, That's what I'm
Speaker 1: saying in my notes. That's a name we're gonna get
Speaker 1: talking about this. But you talk about him, You talk
Speaker 1: about the Mississippi State Elgin Egin Jenkin Jenkins, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: you talk about him. He guy you said you'd stand
Speaker 1: on the table for I know, I know, but there's
Speaker 1: you feel that way today after today? Oh you know what,
Speaker 1: he didn't run the forty. But I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: though his tape. His tape is very similar to what
Speaker 1: you see with North Carolina State with the Texas A
Speaker 1: and M very similar. Different style, different style to play it,
Speaker 1: but the mobility is there. If you want to zone,
Speaker 1: if you're like running a heavy zone scheme, then Bradbury's
Speaker 1: your guy. If you want more a guy that's gonna
Speaker 1: play with power in line, you know, like that's to me,
Speaker 1: that's what Jenkins does better. And I think with one
Speaker 1: thing that separates Jenkins from Bradbury as well as the
Speaker 1: versatility exactly where Jenkins, if you want him to kick
Speaker 1: out the guard, he'll probably do that. He played right
Speaker 1: tackle for a season. He could you do that. Bradbury's
Speaker 1: probably a center only. Yeah, you know, he's got shorter arms.
Speaker 1: He's you plug him in and he's gonna You said it,
Speaker 1: You got the guy nail. Jenkins has some position flex
Speaker 1: where he can help you out in a few different
Speaker 1: spots if you're a toy guard center versatility. You know,
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys had to make a move at center
Speaker 1: because of something happened to Travis Frederick, this would be
Speaker 1: a draft that you could actually feel like, you know what,
Speaker 1: we could tag a guy here and we would be good.
Speaker 1: Can you just completely rule it out? I mean all signs,
Speaker 1: I think they really I think they really do like
Speaker 1: the kid that they brought in, uh, Redman, I think
Speaker 1: they really do like him a lot. I know that.
Speaker 1: Joe Looney, No I know, but but no, no, you're
Speaker 1: making talking to me. You're you're giving me coach speak.
Speaker 1: Come on, no no, no, no, no no, no mean coach
Speaker 1: no no, no, I think they do. Like I think
Speaker 1: if if with Looney be like, Okay, first of all,
Speaker 1: all signs point toward Travis Frederick being fine. Oh, absolutely
Speaker 1: gonna choose to believe that. Uh it's something to keep
Speaker 1: an eye on. And Joe Looney's under contract. But like
Speaker 1: you're sitting you're gushing. You've been gushing about four different
Speaker 1: centers for ten minutes, and you're like, ah, they like
Speaker 1: this guy they like No, no, no, I was just saying,
Speaker 1: no that they like just they liked a guy. What's
Speaker 1: wrong with that? Because you're you're always trying to get better,
Speaker 1: not just kind of Oh, we had this conversation about
Speaker 1: Jason Witten last night for thirty minutes. Didn't you want
Speaker 1: to do that again? No? I really don't. I really
Speaker 1: don't absolutely do not. You don't want to do that
Speaker 1: at all. Okay, let me tell you what though. He
Speaker 1: was trying to get me to like Chris Lynstrom from
Speaker 1: Boston College, the top guard of the draft. See that's
Speaker 1: I don't see that. I don't see that. Why did it?
Speaker 1: Did today change your mind at all? Okay? I have
Speaker 1: to admit I wasn't as high on Chris Lynstrom from
Speaker 1: Boston College. I didn't see the athletic ability in his
Speaker 1: film they displayed in this workout. But but he showed
Speaker 1: it today. For a guard, I wanted to see better
Speaker 1: movement and he was able to do that. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: did he train to do this? Did he say Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of a stiff moving guard to all of
Speaker 1: a sudden now I mean he he, I admit it.
Speaker 1: I will always admit when I'm wrong, and you try
Speaker 1: to get me to say this. Now does it Does
Speaker 1: it make me think? Okay, go back and study him
Speaker 1: a little more? Does he need to be around up?
Speaker 1: Should I not bury him in the fourth round? Well,
Speaker 1: you probably did what four or five tapes on him?
Speaker 1: I did, So there's other tapes. Maybe you go to
Speaker 1: look at those and see if it changes your mind
Speaker 1: at all. And yeah, you know, because no, I think
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right when you know. And I was talking
Speaker 1: to a scout about this Samia with my guy. You know,
Speaker 1: Samia is my top guy. I find not I thought
Speaker 1: he had a good day. Yeah from Oklahoma. Um, I
Speaker 1: didn't think so I know I And that's that's that's funny.
Speaker 1: But you know, like how like the forty yard dash,
Speaker 1: like one Scott told me, he like he doesn't care
Speaker 1: anymore because it's all technique. It's all like that, it's
Speaker 1: all they trained for. I'm glad, I'm glad. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: I was gonna bring that up, Like how specialized the
Speaker 1: combine is now? Like if you are worth even the
Speaker 1: smallest day, there was a time that didn't know the
Speaker 1: drills that well, that's my point was the time ago?
Speaker 1: What do you sit like combine? You use the combine
Speaker 1: to like compliment the tape or educate yourself us and
Speaker 1: you might not see on tape, but like, okay, what's
Speaker 1: look more athletic? Okay he did, but I got what
Speaker 1: what if? And I don't want to pick on Lenstrom,
Speaker 1: I'm just using him as an example, but like what if?
Speaker 1: So he knows that about himself, and he just goes
Speaker 1: and works on that and gets good at it so
Speaker 1: he can do these drills. Doesn't necessarily mean he's better
Speaker 1: as a player. It's not football. You're just learning how
Speaker 1: to do these drills really well. I mean, is that
Speaker 1: concerning Well, I mean it's we can go year by
Speaker 1: year and point out look at the combine results and
Speaker 1: point out guys who tested well, who amounted in nothing,
Speaker 1: and you know whether or not you changed your grade
Speaker 1: based off the combine. You know, that's that's part of
Speaker 1: the learning process for for scouts out there. If you
Speaker 1: if you change John Ross's grade because he ran a
Speaker 1: four two two, then okay, same on you, right. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: and sometimes you have to learn the hard way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but with these guys, especially often the lineman, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's tougher to just learn something and
Speaker 1: then not apply it, you know, like I got in
Speaker 1: Chris Linstrum. I don't think he all of a sudden
Speaker 1: got more flexible, and but he's not gonna show on
Speaker 1: tape like I saw a little bit of that on tape,
Speaker 1: and you know, I hit the flexibility, hit flexibility, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did, h I didn't see a stiff guy, I'll
Speaker 1: put it that way. Yeah, I just kind of I was.
Speaker 1: I struggled with him really bad. And I want to say,
Speaker 1: you and I did not watch him together. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: And usually you and I will fight about players, you know,
Speaker 1: and and go back and forth. But I I just
Speaker 1: did not see a guy that was that that athletic.
Speaker 1: I mean, he clearly looked athletic. I mean it's a
Speaker 1: I said, here a guy used on pull but not effective.
Speaker 1: You know, has some pop, but jilia position block are
Speaker 1: not able to extend on reach or cut off blocks. See,
Speaker 1: those are things that if you're not a very good
Speaker 1: athlete that you kind of but but here I saw
Speaker 1: a guy that actually he played low today when when
Speaker 1: they're asking him to pull and when they're asking him
Speaker 1: you know, doing the switch blocks and stuff, he actually
Speaker 1: came around the block. And I'm like going, oh, all right,
Speaker 1: where where was this when you were playing Miami in
Speaker 1: North Carolina state those people, right, you know, So I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, that's that's one of those things
Speaker 1: where I need to go back and look at more
Speaker 1: on him and see exactly where he's at coming from
Speaker 1: this one. You got time and that's what the combine is,
Speaker 1: one big cross checking exercise. Yeah, you know, if something
Speaker 1: works out like you didn't expect and go back to
Speaker 1: the film and you figure out, Okay, was I right
Speaker 1: the first time, or maybe this guy is a little
Speaker 1: bit better than I expected. And we'll be doing that
Speaker 1: with the receivers. We'll be doing that with every position.
Speaker 1: Devin's singletary coming in and not performing well is and
Speaker 1: I out now I want to get to that. And
Speaker 1: that's an eye opener. I want to get to the
Speaker 1: running backs. Yeah, I want to and I want to
Speaker 1: get to it. And you brought up Devin's singletary, and
Speaker 1: I will I will give the senator from Ohio the
Speaker 1: floor on this one. I've called him Lashan McCoy, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's high praise talking about a Pro Bowl running
Speaker 1: back who you know, one of the few running backs
Speaker 1: who's had a type of career that he has at
Speaker 1: around two hundred pounds. And that's what Devin Singletary is.
Speaker 1: He's not a big bruiser, uh, you know, talking about
Speaker 1: creating yards within the middle of the field. You know
Speaker 1: he can do that, just it's not going to be
Speaker 1: his m O. And what makes him a special running back.
Speaker 1: He came in he should be the type of guy
Speaker 1: that tests well, especially only two hundred pounds and the
Speaker 1: forty was in the four sixes the three cone, which
Speaker 1: is my favorite drill. I believe in the three cone
Speaker 1: every single position. If you're a stiff athlete, you cannot
Speaker 1: escape to three cone. He had a poor time. It
Speaker 1: was like seven three four or something like that. Not
Speaker 1: good for a running back. I want you to be
Speaker 1: around seven, if not below, and seven three four is
Speaker 1: is not a good time for him, especially for a
Speaker 1: guy who makes guys miss consistently. You know, he had
Speaker 1: the most forced, the most broken tackles in college football
Speaker 1: last year. So you know, I don't know. I did
Speaker 1: you see something similar stuff? Or this is this is
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said this because this is what I
Speaker 1: said in my notes tonight on Dallas Cowboys dot com.
Speaker 1: Please read this. It would make my boss is very happy.
Speaker 1: The best example from a running back workout of just
Speaker 1: watch the tape is Devin Singletary from a Florida Atlantic.
Speaker 1: Singletary didn't run as well as he wanted to at
Speaker 1: four sixty six four six nine, But don't let that
Speaker 1: disappoint you if you're a fan of the player, because
Speaker 1: I promise you Singletary will run much faster at his
Speaker 1: pro day. We should all go down to Boca Raton
Speaker 1: and time him. And I loved this. I love this
Speaker 1: part from your note. And this is my this is
Speaker 1: my one going to run faster because they're gonna cheat, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, I said, I promise that Singletary will run
Speaker 1: faster at his pro day because there'll be a scout
Speaker 1: like me there that will time him at thirty eight
Speaker 1: yards instead of forty because you like him, because I
Speaker 1: like him. Ye see, this is the type of guy.
Speaker 1: This guy's a good player. He'll survive a poor combine.
Speaker 1: I think so. I think, I think when we all
Speaker 1: when I think people will go down there, y'all like
Speaker 1: him as much as you say you do. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: second round like him. I wouldn't let that turn me off.
Speaker 1: It's tough because watch the film. That's that he's trying
Speaker 1: to tell you to watch the film. I'm listening. I'm
Speaker 1: yelling at you because I can't yell at the guy
Speaker 1: from the Redskins. What what Dave said yesterday about what
Speaker 1: you mentioned this yesterday about his level of comp Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's something that we'll be talked about it a
Speaker 1: lot more now about. Okay, yeah, he had all these
Speaker 1: broken tackles, but he did it, you know, against subpark
Speaker 1: competition against you know, he did do in the SEC.
Speaker 1: That worries me. He doesn't have to be the SEC.
Speaker 1: But like a conference with more right times like this
Speaker 1: kind of amplify those concerns, like maybe I should have
Speaker 1: been paying more attention to the you know who you know,
Speaker 1: the broken tackles, who was trying to tackle him. Um,
Speaker 1: So we're gonna hear more about that level of competition
Speaker 1: with Devin Singleton. I'm gonna focus on some other running
Speaker 1: backs here on my board, I have Travion Williams Texas
Speaker 1: A and m Darrell Henderson from Memphis and Day at
Speaker 1: Montgomery all bunched together third round, all in the third round.
Speaker 1: Sounds about right, Okay, I thought all three of them,
Speaker 1: and and Henderson I didn't see working out. Did he
Speaker 1: run and not? I mean, were you weren't in the
Speaker 1: stadium at the time I left because I never saw
Speaker 1: him catch a pass or anything in these drills and
Speaker 1: me and I was I was watching very closely, but
Speaker 1: I did see Williams and I did see Montgomery. But
Speaker 1: you know what, though, I'm gonna keep them all there.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep all those guys. I think Williams, though,
Speaker 1: is a hell of a football player. Though he's another
Speaker 1: guy a three cone. He's one of the worst three cones,
Speaker 1: which is surprising him. But yeah, and you look at
Speaker 1: a guy that just will and if they hand him
Speaker 1: the ball, he's all over the play, okay, which so
Speaker 1: I trust the hell out of y'all. I'm dubious about him.
Speaker 1: You guys talked about the last five seven, two hundred
Speaker 1: pounds playing in the American I don't you could tell
Speaker 1: me whatever Trevian Williams did, And I don't care because
Speaker 1: I watched him ball out in the sea, watched him
Speaker 1: kill our our school, killed our school, killed a lot
Speaker 1: of school. Yeah, he's if you can do that in
Speaker 1: that conference. Sorry if I sound like a homer, I
Speaker 1: don't care. It means a lot to me, so way
Speaker 1: more willing to forgive bad three cones forties. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you this then that, And that's kind of what
Speaker 1: I was talking about. Yeah, you know, like we're Singleton drop,
Speaker 1: then does he drop? Maybe for some teams maybe, well,
Speaker 1: teams are gonna be he's not walking on water. I
Speaker 1: mean that's only one thing I learned to Green Bay.
Speaker 1: If you're five seven, you better walk on water. Forty times.
Speaker 1: I didn't really care about like if he you know,
Speaker 1: if he runs a four or five six or four
Speaker 1: to six six, I honestly don't care. So if he
Speaker 1: there's four six six when they go to Boca Ratan,
Speaker 1: I don't care. But but but the three cone that
Speaker 1: bothers me because he's a guy changing direction quick, this
Speaker 1: short area burst. He should hit those numbers and he didn't.
Speaker 1: So you have totally sold me on that over the years,
Speaker 1: by the way, like just in the years, we watch
Speaker 1: the defensive backs and those guys doing that shuttle watch Thoseth.
Speaker 1: I watched those drills more than anything. Like the forties
Speaker 1: are fun, but I don't care about the forties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's so many only so many times you see a
Speaker 1: guy actually run forty yards straight in a football game,
Speaker 1: which we see Medcalf and those guys running the shuttles tomorrow.
Speaker 1: That'll that will tell you about these I mean these kids,
Speaker 1: I mean kids were throwing up weights. Metcalf is throwing
Speaker 1: two twenty five around like it's nothing. Yeah, unbelievable, But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, what's what's he gonna do in the
Speaker 1: three cone? Like? Can you actually move with all that
Speaker 1: that's gonna be? That death looks like a giant slice
Speaker 1: of pizza. The giant slice of pizza. He's probably never
Speaker 1: had a piece of pizza in his line? Am I right? Though?
Speaker 1: About Williams Henderson Montgomery? Yeah, well I like Montgomery a
Speaker 1: little more. Um, I know you do, but you do
Speaker 1: not much more. I have, you know who else might
Speaker 1: I like them a little bit more? These guys right here? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's okay. Now now give us the nugget, go a
Speaker 1: little nugget on us today. That's the best part about
Speaker 1: the combine is like you can be in here, you
Speaker 1: learn a lot. Well, you when you're not trying, you're
Speaker 1: almost never trying, Like when you try, that's when nothing happened, works, works,
Speaker 1: go to get a cup of coffee and you're like, hey, David, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like when you're meeting girls. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, when you try. That's a really good point.
Speaker 1: But what need and you need to counsel me on
Speaker 1: my dating life after you counsel me on the draft.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I mean I literally just you wander around,
Speaker 1: you hear some things. You hear the Cowboys had a
Speaker 1: meeting with David Montgomery. There you go, sound like they
Speaker 1: really like him, which I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: really like him. That's not unique. He's an eagle scout.
Speaker 1: Uh those eagle scout. The intelligibles are off the charts.
Speaker 1: Give me the bad guy. He's a guy who's not
Speaker 1: he almost like how I describe it, my report is
Speaker 1: he's more of a checkers runner than a chess runner.
Speaker 1: Like he's not going to checkers' hop hop hop well
Speaker 1: or chess like he wants to jump you, meaning he
Speaker 1: wants to go at you and be physical and not
Speaker 1: so much not so much chess where he's three moves ahead.
Speaker 1: You know, he's focused on the guy in front of
Speaker 1: him and he's going to either you know, go right
Speaker 1: at him him and you know, force a miss tackle
Speaker 1: or you know, just give him everything he has right,
Speaker 1: But he's not looking at the move behind. You know,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna try to miss, make this guy move
Speaker 1: or miss and then you know, going the next guy.
Speaker 1: This is not how he thinks it's not how he
Speaker 1: runs now, he doesn't have run with anticipation, but I
Speaker 1: think he has the contact balance you want short air quickness. Now.
Speaker 1: Something with him is you know, talking about the level
Speaker 1: of calm to beat up on the Big twelve again
Speaker 1: every time. Yeah, you are? You know you will never
Speaker 1: get a gig with a Big twelve team. Probably not.
Speaker 1: That's okay, he'll be. He was second behind Devin Singletary
Speaker 1: in college football last year and broken tackles so and
Speaker 1: he did it with just a different style Devin Singletary,
Speaker 1: that lateral juke quickness in where Montgomery's more physical contact balance.
Speaker 1: That's how he makes guys miss. So different guys. But uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I think with him he's just He's not
Speaker 1: gonna be elite in anyone area. But he doesn't have
Speaker 1: many weaknesses either. You have said though, which it's not
Speaker 1: a bad thing. But he caught the ball well to
Speaker 1: day too. By the way, does he compliment Zeke like
Speaker 1: does he bring a skill set that does not have
Speaker 1: I think Williams would be a different back if you're
Speaker 1: looking for a different back, Henderson would be that. Henderson
Speaker 1: is the home run in right, don't you kind of
Speaker 1: feel like that that's what they want is a guy
Speaker 1: with I mean, and Zeke is so good. It's not
Speaker 1: like he there's not a lot of stuff he can't do, right,
Speaker 1: you know the Cowboys considering and I love Lance Dumbar,
Speaker 1: but like Lance Dunbar did not have a huge impact
Speaker 1: for you could stay healthy, I know. But but that's
Speaker 1: the type of guy that they so enamored with. Yea.
Speaker 1: And yeah, if you look at you know the visits
Speaker 1: in the past top thirty visits, they all they bring
Speaker 1: that type of guy in every year Humphrey exactly. They
Speaker 1: might they're the anti get ready for this next one
Speaker 1: will be all over top of that one. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you know they met with Montgomery. That's it's awesome. It's
Speaker 1: useful to know they meet with sixty guys here, right,
Speaker 1: So it doesn't mean everything. And yeah, but there's six
Speaker 1: there's three hundred and something players here. They know it
Speaker 1: means something. But maybe they're trying to figure out what
Speaker 1: kind of teammate Keim Butler is. You never know. Interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other thing too, it so what their first fourth
Speaker 1: round pick is one twenty eight. I'm I don't sound
Speaker 1: I don't feel super optimistic that he'll be there, and
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that they pick him with their second
Speaker 1: or third round pick. I'd agree, Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: got these guys in the third you know, let me,
Speaker 1: let's be honest. Every team that's drafted or running back
Speaker 1: in the third round, I'm sure I'm missing somebody. It
Speaker 1: seems like that they've hit on these guys. It seems
Speaker 1: like the third round running back simplification, I know, but
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that. Maybe you know, we're talking about
Speaker 1: guys in third round and then they get in the
Speaker 1: league and all of a sudden to David Montgomery, Trevion Williams,
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara jumps to mind, uh guy now new guy Cleveland,
Speaker 1: Tevin Coleman, Duke Johnson. I mean they've been all right.
Speaker 1: Oh Chubb, Chubb was the second round? No no no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no. John Dorsey's oh Kareem h yeah. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: if they're if this team say they are looking for
Speaker 1: that more of a change of pace guy, what about
Speaker 1: a guy who had a pretty nice workout this morning?
Speaker 1: Justice Hill see this? Okay, glad you talked about And
Speaker 1: here's point here. I've never heard this name Yeah, here's
Speaker 1: ran a four four. Here's point number eight for Brian Broadest.
Speaker 1: Two guys have had to study when I get back
Speaker 1: to the Star, justin Justice Hill from Oklahoma State and
Speaker 1: Miles Sanders from Penn State. Dane Brugler was trying to
Speaker 1: get me to get on both of these guys before
Speaker 1: the combine and that just ran out of time. He
Speaker 1: was trying. He says, you need to watch these two
Speaker 1: kids play well. I mean, Miles Sanders is basically he's
Speaker 1: like the less He's not as explosive version of sa Quon.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's in the water of whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: whoa repeat what you just said, and not as explosive
Speaker 1: versions as sa Quan Well. I mean, explosion is a
Speaker 1: big part of what makes part of it. But the
Speaker 1: Giants are so happy that I went over there and
Speaker 1: we're talking about Zeke and sa Quon. They were all
Speaker 1: we were from the draft running backs in the top
Speaker 1: five teams. I'm okay. If he's a less explosive sa Quan,
Speaker 1: I assume that means he's got incredible balance and can
Speaker 1: catch the ball. He looked like he did it today
Speaker 1: because those things, Yeah, he was doing the wheel routes,
Speaker 1: the inside routes, everything to do to throw him the football.
Speaker 1: That kid caught him all. The biggest, biggest concern with
Speaker 1: him is Balston Well, I need to watch that and
Speaker 1: in the past I've I've posted the fumble rates. Maybe
Speaker 1: I should do that again this year, but he had
Speaker 1: by far the worst fumble rate in this class. Um.
Speaker 1: And this again, this is a guy who you have
Speaker 1: to wonder. I don't like that. I don't like that's that,
Speaker 1: but it's it's tough when you're playing behind Saquon Barkley
Speaker 1: and you don't get a chance to beat the guy
Speaker 1: you know, like you're the right Like that factors in
Speaker 1: as well, Um, But you know when he had a
Speaker 1: chance to be on the field this year taking over
Speaker 1: for sa Quon, he's he's built really well. He runs
Speaker 1: a daylight. I'm a fan of Miles Sanders. But then
Speaker 1: with Justice Hill, when you watch his tape, man, he's
Speaker 1: running through some gaping holes once again, he's trying to
Speaker 1: take will not give this confidence. It's more a product
Speaker 1: of the offense because they Oklahoma State plays so wide open.
Speaker 1: They stretched the field and so yeah, those offensive linemen
Speaker 1: play like eight feet apart they do? They do? You know,
Speaker 1: he's but he's quick, there's no quick. He's quick footed
Speaker 1: and he's got some juice to him. So yeah, Justice Hill,
Speaker 1: I don't he'll It'll be interesting to see how high
Speaker 1: he goes. You know, I don't. Coming in I had
Speaker 1: a fourth round grade on him, okay, and I think
Speaker 1: he tested much better than not much better, but better.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get influenced, like, what's wrong with your
Speaker 1: head side? So does he get them pushed into third? Now? Oh? Maybe?
Speaker 1: But so for a team looking for that style of that,
Speaker 1: there's no question you You tried to get me to
Speaker 1: look at two guys and I'll let you down. Partner, Well,
Speaker 1: he didn't let him down. It's March first. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: asked me to do it, yet it down. I came
Speaker 1: into this being intrigued by Hill, like I mean, when
Speaker 1: you when you run the best time, you're gonna catch
Speaker 1: people's eyes, even if the forty is not important. There
Speaker 1: you go. But what you said makes me way. I
Speaker 1: want to watch Sanders way more than I want to
Speaker 1: watch Hill. Basically, you're not You're not gonna get back
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Speaker 1: scouting combine. Brian brought us Dame Brewer, David Hellman, Hey
Speaker 1: on periscope. We thank everybody that's hanging out with us.
Speaker 1: We do loves, I do love me some periscope and Dane,
Speaker 1: they're tooking a shot at you on periscope. By the way,
Speaker 1: what do you probably they want? They want to know,
Speaker 1: they want to know what conference put the league MVP
Speaker 1: this year. We were just talking about outliers, I mean,
Speaker 1: Paul about how about the league MVP. Well, actually Baker, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Baker didn't win it Rookie of the Year. He should have,
Speaker 1: but him's too big. Twelve football is coming to the NFL.
Speaker 1: There's no question about that. Is we've spent the last
Speaker 1: three days talking about By the way, real quick before
Speaker 1: we get to Twitter on the twenty have you ever
Speaker 1: seen remember when we used to be across the street
Speaker 1: at the stadium in the in the in the club area.
Speaker 1: Are you talking about Kyler's crowd? Could they have handled
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's crowd today or have you seen a bigger one?
Speaker 1: I remember man Tai Teo being big, Cam Newton. Cam
Speaker 1: Newton was big, Tim Tebow. That Tebow it's it's it's
Speaker 1: it wasn't It's not that impressive to me because it's
Speaker 1: I think this was a smart decision by the NFL
Speaker 1: to put it in the Convention Center. There's so much space,
Speaker 1: so it's a ton of people, but we got a
Speaker 1: lot of space here when Jared Goff and Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: did this. Yeah, it's I mean it's in the little
Speaker 1: atrium outside of the you know, it's a corridor, and
Speaker 1: so there's ninety reporters trying to talk to these guys
Speaker 1: in half the space. So I thought that was way
Speaker 1: more crazy and way more closter phobic than this. Okay,
Speaker 1: you you asked, how do you you? You were? You
Speaker 1: were talking about the Super Bowl press conferences that he
Speaker 1: had not well, the meetings he had with the media,
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, how do you think he handled today? Do
Speaker 1: you feel like that it was much better? Kind of
Speaker 1: soft talker a little bit. That's who he is, you know, like,
Speaker 1: and it's funny. Someone asked Hollywood Brown about what was
Speaker 1: the difference between Baker and Kyler, and he said, immediately,
Speaker 1: Old Baker the talker, and Kyler is pause. He let's
Speaker 1: play to do the talking. You know, He's like, try
Speaker 1: do I say this nicely? You know, like I don't
Speaker 1: want to put Kyler down. He just it's not his personality.
Speaker 1: You know. That told two totally different personalities. And if
Speaker 1: Kyler does in college or does in the NFL what
Speaker 1: he did in college, that's gonna be okay. Team will
Speaker 1: be just fine with that. Teammates will you know, go
Speaker 1: to bat for him to But so it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1: But if when things get tough and you know, how
Speaker 1: is he going to react to that if he's not good.
Speaker 1: They're in a press conference setting. You know, Jared Goff
Speaker 1: was terrible. Yeah, you know in his press conference. I
Speaker 1: remember I was. I was standing probably three feet away
Speaker 1: from him when they were going after him about his
Speaker 1: hand size. And Jeff Kavanaugh three were like, yeah, take that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: take that. Kavanaugh was like egging him on the like
Speaker 1: tell him, tell him, Champ, tell him, Champ, Champ, Champ, Champ,
Speaker 1: tell him. Okay, Uh yeah again. Uh. If you got
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Speaker 1: thank everybody out there. We're doing so well on all
Speaker 1: I mean again, it's we do appreciate you guys and
Speaker 1: making this the hot on this hot list. This is
Speaker 1: this is a Draft Knicks question. Okay, perfect. David says,
Speaker 1: why don't we talk more about the ten yards splits
Speaker 1: for running backs? Uh? I would think that time is
Speaker 1: more reller. I would think that time is more relevant.
Speaker 1: It must be a scientist who are running back to
Speaker 1: measure hitting holes. And bouncing outside and to Dane's point,
Speaker 1: top line speed is important. But how many forty your
Speaker 1: yard runs do you see in the NFL? You can
Speaker 1: see ked a bunch of miss first year. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot. He would not have done it with that
Speaker 1: that ten yards split a lot more as rookie year
Speaker 1: than years after that. That's right. Why Yeah? Why, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a good point. Honestly, we
Speaker 1: do it with the lineman for sure. Honestly, it's because
Speaker 1: we don't get the numbers right away. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like if they treated the I we treated the ten
Speaker 1: yards split numbers like they did the forty yard numbers,
Speaker 1: and we got them right away, and you know, because
Speaker 1: official times and all that. So generally I usually wait
Speaker 1: till we get the combine sheet and have all the
Speaker 1: numbers and no, okay, this guy this ten yard and
Speaker 1: so we have that right in front of us. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, three cone and the ten yards split
Speaker 1: are to me universal drills, like you know, the forty
Speaker 1: yard dash. I care more about that. Yeah. I care
Speaker 1: more for the forty yard dash when it comes to
Speaker 1: corners wide receivers than I do the other position right
Speaker 1: stride speed when it comes to the ten yards split.
Speaker 1: It matters for every position because I want to know
Speaker 1: that initial quickness, that reaction quickness, your get off, especially
Speaker 1: for edge rushers, but if you're a center, if you're
Speaker 1: running back, if you're a safety, I want to know
Speaker 1: that initial ten yards. If you you know, tap out
Speaker 1: at twenty or thirty yards, okay, how do you do
Speaker 1: in those ten yards? So there's no question the ten
Speaker 1: yards split is to me, the second most important time
Speaker 1: at the combine behind three Condrow Braden says, was holy
Speaker 1: Field the biggest disappointment today? I list I missed some
Speaker 1: of his workout, but his lack of hands and lack
Speaker 1: of speed are concerning to me. You know what holy
Speaker 1: Field out of Georgia? Yeah, I I I'm kind of
Speaker 1: thinking more Singletary just from the speed aspect of it.
Speaker 1: That's fair, But holy Field, I mean he's not fast,
Speaker 1: like he wasn't fast on tape. That's not what makes
Speaker 1: holy feel. Yeah, that's exactly right there. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: a powerful guy. He's gonna play with quickness. I didn't
Speaker 1: expect him to run four eight though. I'll put it
Speaker 1: this out. How many times did you get him? See?
Speaker 1: Did you see him get caught from behind, like you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he wasn't in a position to get caught from behind
Speaker 1: because that's just not Speed's not his game. Somebody, you know,
Speaker 1: the combines fun too, because throughout the week NFL players
Speaker 1: are tweeting their kind of perspective combine And somebody tweeted
Speaker 1: out a video of holy Field blowing up our defense
Speaker 1: and was like, the forty yard forty yard matter for
Speaker 1: this because it doesn't look like he's carrying John Battle.
Speaker 1: Devin White's jumping on his back. Yeah. See this is
Speaker 1: where again I applaud the kids that are willing to
Speaker 1: go out there and put it on the line and run.
Speaker 1: But don't don't get down on him as far as disappointment,
Speaker 1: and because again they worked, you know, they know what
Speaker 1: they have to work on. Now. He'll never run a
Speaker 1: forty every again in his life. Yea, if he doesn't. Wait,
Speaker 1: if he trains and he's still running in the fourth sevens,
Speaker 1: he won't run as pro day will need too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so exactly, it's probably a great feeling like the last
Speaker 1: time you remember the last time you took a test
Speaker 1: in college. Like, man, I've been doing this since I
Speaker 1: was fifteen and they never had to do it, no question,
Speaker 1: no question. Okay, Um. I think he's a better player
Speaker 1: on film though then I was. I was more in
Speaker 1: the fourth round on Yeah, that's where I had him, like,
Speaker 1: he given me fourth round grades on good running backs.
Speaker 1: I love hearing that. How did he catch the ball today?
Speaker 1: That's part of the question. I did not see him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: to go do the pass catching? I did. He He's
Speaker 1: right about that though that that that is more concerning
Speaker 1: than that is that is a lot more concerning to
Speaker 1: me than that because he wasn't asked to do that.
Speaker 1: A lot of Georgia I don't and that we've said
Speaker 1: that about all those Georgia backs, Ya, all the backs
Speaker 1: that have ever come through there, We'll say they don't
Speaker 1: throw the ball to him, you know. With that said,
Speaker 1: Chubb did a pretty nice job this year. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about Michelle. I didn't watch him close enough,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure you know he did better as well.
Speaker 1: So he played for the Patriots. I assume he thought
Speaker 1: some times more of an opportunity thing than an ability thing.
Speaker 1: That Dane real quick, Dave could is right. Quell Armstead, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had a good day is he is he good
Speaker 1: compliment to Zeke if you watch when you watch his tape.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him on tape. It depends what are
Speaker 1: you looking for. Most of the compliment, like, what really
Speaker 1: worries me about Armstead is he was got awful catching
Speaker 1: the ball at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, that was a
Speaker 1: big problem for him. He didn't do very well here either,
Speaker 1: and that's that's a that's a problem. He's a strong runner,
Speaker 1: uh you know, the four ford today that he ran
Speaker 1: was awesome, but he's just not a guy that's going
Speaker 1: to help you necessarily away from the ball. He did
Speaker 1: okay and pass protection, but he's not strong. Lay. You
Speaker 1: see a lot of acceleration quick, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: a short step or something makes to take the fee
Speaker 1: down quick ten ten broad Jo speaks to the lower
Speaker 1: body burst and explosion. Yeah, how about that. That's impressful
Speaker 1: top out, not bad at all. I'm sorry, David um
Speaker 1: Our buddy Jonah wants to know, sir, he says Phil Haynes,
Speaker 1: the Wake Forest Guard. Yep, thoughts powerful. He's a power dude.
Speaker 1: He wrapped it on the bench too. I think he
Speaker 1: has thirty three or something. I don't know the other
Speaker 1: results in front of you. He was keep talking. He
Speaker 1: was a guy that I know some scouts were pushing for,
Speaker 1: like Senior Bowl, Like this guy needs to be at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Um, they decided not to. Yeah, six
Speaker 1: o three five on the measurement three twenty two. And
Speaker 1: then you look at him five two two five two
Speaker 1: out of five two one on the and then thirty
Speaker 1: three three. Yeah, yeah, he was right bad. No thirty one.
Speaker 1: That's that's really good. I think we talked about the
Speaker 1: because he's a guard interior linemen on the vert the
Speaker 1: average in the NFL twenty eight interior and explain what
Speaker 1: you just did? What you just said there. So I
Speaker 1: took the top thirty players at each position in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and then I went back and I researched all of
Speaker 1: their combine, uh, with their testing numbers, and then to
Speaker 1: get an average UM and so for the top thirty,
Speaker 1: I mean just you know, it's very subjective top thirty,
Speaker 1: but you know you have to trust me on that one.
Speaker 1: So and then I broke it up by position interior
Speaker 1: offensive line. I combined guard and center. So yeah, vertical
Speaker 1: jump twenty eight. Uh, what was his forty forty five
Speaker 1: two one, okay, five two four was the average. So
Speaker 1: and this is and this isn't just every guard, So
Speaker 1: there's some bad ones. This is a top thirty guards
Speaker 1: and centers in the NFL. So they're all starters, you know,
Speaker 1: guys that are you know, at least competing for Pro Bowls.
Speaker 1: Um So, Phil Haynes had a very nice day. And yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, unfortunately we didn't get a chance to him
Speaker 1: with the Senior Bowl because I know there were scouts
Speaker 1: pushing for him to get a Senior Bowl spot. Uh,
Speaker 1: he didn't. He got squeezed out. But he's the guy
Speaker 1: that plays with power and he can move a little bit,
Speaker 1: so he's gonna get further looks by the NFL. Kevin says,
Speaker 1: give me a name for an offensive tackle the Cowboys
Speaker 1: can draft in the fourth round, fourth round, two picks
Speaker 1: one twenty eight and one thirty six. See who he
Speaker 1: got in the fourth round. I'm looking. I think through
Speaker 1: those databases, fellas could Juiced, West Virginia could Juice was
Speaker 1: a guy I've been talking about that guy. I thought
Speaker 1: the guy had a really good workout today. See I
Speaker 1: saw the opposite and I when y'all don't agree to me.
Speaker 1: It matched his tape like where he's Yadney Yodney could juice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had. He's a foreign basketball player, so he can
Speaker 1: move well. He's he can move, That's what That's what
Speaker 1: I was. I was impressed with how big he was
Speaker 1: and how well he moved. That's what I was trying
Speaker 1: to learn about about him in in this uh in this,
Speaker 1: in this uh this combat. I thought he played kind
Speaker 1: of or today he looks kind of how he does
Speaker 1: on tape where you can tell he moves well, but
Speaker 1: he's also off balance. It's way too much. It's a
Speaker 1: little wild with his movements, Like he just doesn't play composed.
Speaker 1: He doesn't play under control, and that bothers me a lot.
Speaker 1: I one thing I've learned over the years when scouting
Speaker 1: these guys at any position, how the importance of balance,
Speaker 1: especially for offensive linemen. His lack of balance really worries me.
Speaker 1: And I saw that today on the field, and so
Speaker 1: that's why I would like people have been thrown out
Speaker 1: first round, you know, on him. Yeah, and he's yeah,
Speaker 1: and I I mean and now with which that's crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, he you're probably thinking four five or you
Speaker 1: thinking four yeah, I'm thinking like day three, he's still
Speaker 1: around like fourth round. Okay, So I have him in
Speaker 1: that group with Howard and yeah sharp Ring in those guys,
Speaker 1: that's who I have him with. Yeah, No, that's that's Fairman.
Speaker 1: Sharping is another guy who I think he'll probably go
Speaker 1: top one hundreds. So I don't think he'll be there
Speaker 1: in the fourth. All right, you don't like the juice
Speaker 1: who you got in the fourth round? It is Howard
Speaker 1: there for you. No way, I think he's top sixty.
Speaker 1: Um McGarry, No, I think he's He didn't perform, He
Speaker 1: didn't test as well as I thought he would. Incongruence
Speaker 1: on the boards here, I like it. But McGarry's gonna go.
Speaker 1: Where do you have you have them in the third?
Speaker 1: I had McGary in the fourth, him in Romer, and
Speaker 1: I mean I ros he Romer disappointed today. His tape
Speaker 1: is not great. And I know, I know our buddy
Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah was very excited about him. Was when he
Speaker 1: was watching the tape of him San Diego State. Kid,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we need to throw these. I didn't had
Speaker 1: a good day at all, right. I didn't think he
Speaker 1: did either. No, he had his hips, his feet, they
Speaker 1: just I don't know, they were over they were all
Speaker 1: over the place. Um, it's just it's tough because if
Speaker 1: you don't like an offensive lineman enough to take him
Speaker 1: top one hundred, like what's the point? You know, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's the point. Yeah. So, I mean I'm trying to
Speaker 1: find a guy about Trey Pipkins, Soup falls, Pipkins Suo falls,
Speaker 1: the school, Yeah, the city, no Burglar special, not to
Speaker 1: Oh my god, no no, no, no, well okay, not
Speaker 1: drafting a D two are not? Okay? Cool, that's awesome
Speaker 1: that it worked out for him. We're not doing it.
Speaker 1: Will McClay won't do it either, Well won't. You're probably right?
Speaker 1: How many non power fives has will McClay draft in
Speaker 1: the last week? Keep talking? You know the question bois
Speaker 1: State doesn't count because they're like the Royalty of nonpower fives.
Speaker 1: We were talking about, you know, fourth round tackles. So
Speaker 1: who is my guy again from Jacksonville? I keep talking
Speaker 1: about Jeremy Parnell. Jeremy Parnell. I I kind of I
Speaker 1: leaned toward thinking, I know, I know Laal Collins is
Speaker 1: in a contract year. I feel like they're gonna go
Speaker 1: the stop gap approach this year, Like I don't see
Speaker 1: this team investing heavily in a tackle in the draft.
Speaker 1: I mean, anything's possible, Like if it's too good of
Speaker 1: a situation, pass up. But that's just kind of the
Speaker 1: inkling that I have. And we talk about fourth round tackles.
Speaker 1: I mean to think about it, like if you're purchasing anything,
Speaker 1: you know there's a reason it's discounted. You know there's
Speaker 1: a reason it's on sale, And what's that reason? Uh got?
Speaker 1: Like Adoga, the USC tackle who has terrible football character.
Speaker 1: You know you have to worry about him. Is he
Speaker 1: had the toughness to play hurt? Does he Is he
Speaker 1: gonna give you full hundred percent from the get go
Speaker 1: every single snap. Probably not, But if you can coach
Speaker 1: that out of him, then you're gonna have a starting tackle.
Speaker 1: But you're probably not gonna coach that out of him.
Speaker 1: So he's one of those discount guys in the fourth
Speaker 1: round where you know, maybe there's a chance he hits,
Speaker 1: but there's he's gonna, you know, really bother you with
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that he does. I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: a guess that Ernie. Ernie's got our next question. And
Speaker 1: I think he's probably from the Pacific Northwest because he
Speaker 1: wants to talk about UW's Miles Gaskin and Wazoos James Williams,
Speaker 1: both of whom I am intrigued. Both pretty good pass catchers.
Speaker 1: And that's tell me Mark James Williams, he had sixty
Speaker 1: plus catches last year. I'm let's draft him. Let's get him.
Speaker 1: He uh, you know he can catch the ball. And
Speaker 1: Miles Gasking he's been a model of consistency the last
Speaker 1: four years and he had over twelve hundred yards each
Speaker 1: of those four seasons at Washington. So on one side
Speaker 1: you have a guy has taken a lot of nishment.
Speaker 1: On the other, uh. And then for a smaller guy too,
Speaker 1: what do you what are you weigh in? At Miles Gasking,
Speaker 1: he's around two hundred pounds below two hundred We get
Speaker 1: you right here. Hang on, make sure you read all
Speaker 1: four numbers. Oh you know, I'm gonna read all four numbers.
Speaker 1: Maybe don't don't, don't don't think I'm not. We just
Speaker 1: you guys got to talk. I'm doing this. It's in
Speaker 1: curiating watching you came two O five. Okay, okay, that's
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good time. Wait for nine two two
Speaker 1: o five. He reminds me allowed to Giovanni Bernard. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: who you know, he's kind of a yeah, kind of
Speaker 1: a disappointing career compared to the hype. And that's what
Speaker 1: you're talking about in the fifth round with Miles Gasking. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so you know a guy who's just he's kind of limited.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have great power. Um, where do you have
Speaker 1: Benny Snell? I struggle? He didn't. He was you brought
Speaker 1: him up the other night too. I kind of was
Speaker 1: watching him today and he caught everything again. I'm you know,
Speaker 1: people are saying, did justice Hi'll get hurt and the
Speaker 1: forty yard the second run and not thinty or did
Speaker 1: he not work out? I was I thought I saw him.
Speaker 1: People are saying one guy just said here or lady,
Speaker 1: he didn't catch. I'm trying. I mean, because I was
Speaker 1: watching the pitch steak guy catch and anyway, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: about that. That's the case. But but yeah, but talking
Speaker 1: about talking about Benny Snell, now, I saw him catching
Speaker 1: all the balls today and that's something he wasn't asked
Speaker 1: to do a ton right at Kentucky. But you know
Speaker 1: his time was for using that for six seven range,
Speaker 1: that was expect Singletary wasn't expected for six seven for Snell,
Speaker 1: now is expected. He's he's more of a heavy footed
Speaker 1: guy because he's he's a power guy. He's what you
Speaker 1: love about Benny Snell is you're gonna hand on the
Speaker 1: ball twenty five times a game and he's gonna get
Speaker 1: you one hundred yards and he's gonna continue to take
Speaker 1: punishment and keep going. So if you're looking for a
Speaker 1: guy who's gonna break off a big run and be explosive,
Speaker 1: that's not Benny Snell. But the NFL still has value
Speaker 1: for guys that take abuse and come back the same
Speaker 1: guy first quarter, fourth quarter. It does not matter. Benny
Speaker 1: Snell is gonna be the same guy snap in, snap out,
Speaker 1: And that's the value with a guy like that. And
Speaker 1: so he's very specific running back where he's not gonna
Speaker 1: be for everybody, But if you're looking for that type,
Speaker 1: he's perfect for you. Give me give me a little sorry, Brian, Yeah,
Speaker 1: give me a little more on Williams five h nine
Speaker 1: four seven. Yeah, And he didn't test as well, because
Speaker 1: what did he run here in the four sixes. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was for his time would be four five nine.
Speaker 1: That was surprising. I thought he'd run a little better
Speaker 1: than that because he's he's a quick footed guy. Um,
Speaker 1: he's got a great backstory, Like he was a guy
Speaker 1: that like was living, he was homeless for a while
Speaker 1: and um, you know, a great backstory. And you know
Speaker 1: he went to Washington State. He came out as a junior.
Speaker 1: Really good production of that offense, but a lot of
Speaker 1: it as a pass catcher. I think he had sixty
Speaker 1: three catches this year. Um, he's looking for guys who
Speaker 1: compliments Zeke yeah and saying yeah, he wasn't asked to
Speaker 1: do a lot of pass pro in that offense. But
Speaker 1: you know he's a guy that he has at least
Speaker 1: has a baseline measurables where uh you know, and the
Speaker 1: asking price too. He's more of a late round guy
Speaker 1: than anything. So, um, you know he could be five
Speaker 1: six seven, five to seven some more somewhere in there. Okay, No,
Speaker 1: he's in that. You know, jumble up these late round
Speaker 1: running backs and see where they fall. You know, guys
Speaker 1: like uh, you know Jordan Scarlett, LJ. Scott, those types
Speaker 1: we got, we got a question about Scarlett too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Florida running back. He ran good and it ran well
Speaker 1: in the forty yard dash, not so much in the
Speaker 1: three cone. I saw his three cone was pretty disappointing.
Speaker 1: But he's remember when you talked about Antonio Callaway from
Speaker 1: Florida last year and the credit cards scandal, and yeah
Speaker 1: he was a part of that. Oh good, So he
Speaker 1: missed all of two hundred and seventeen, came back this
Speaker 1: year and he shared the the load with p Ryan
Speaker 1: Um some AG's cousin. I believe um at Florida, and
Speaker 1: so you know he's he's a solid guy. But I
Speaker 1: don't know nothing exceptional about him. He's gonna be a
Speaker 1: Day three running back who you know is gonna make
Speaker 1: a team and try to carve aunderable. Stern wants to
Speaker 1: know what's the first position the Cowboys will double up
Speaker 1: on in the draft wide receiver, defensive Wow, that's really
Speaker 1: he really wants that question. Now, Okay, both ways. If
Speaker 1: you consider defensive line as a whole, then it's definitely
Speaker 1: a defensive line. Yeah, I think end and tackle. But
Speaker 1: if we if we separate an end and tackle, then
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they just doubled up at receiver last year, right,
Speaker 1: So that's what doesn't mean they won't, but it's kind
Speaker 1: of hard to see, especially with Hearns staying on the team.
Speaker 1: Do they double up? I would especially with so few
Speaker 1: I mean what six picks. Yeah, I would lean towards
Speaker 1: may be surprised if I would lean toward no or
Speaker 1: it made um you know, if you count dB, I
Speaker 1: could see cornerback and safety could maybe do that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I would be kind of surprised if they
Speaker 1: double up, like truly doubled up, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like two d tackles or two safeties, like, yeah, two
Speaker 1: wide receivers. Okay, give me more questions over there? Day
Speaker 1: um I Jordan asked this question, like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of cheap. He said, if you could pick
Speaker 1: one running back in this draft to be Zeke's back up,
Speaker 1: who would it be? Which, Like, I get the I
Speaker 1: get the question at but like who cares? If you
Speaker 1: want Josh Jacobs, who cares? Not gonna get him? Right?
Speaker 1: So yeah, arrange that to be realistic, I guess you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And which David Montgomery like, is
Speaker 1: it realistic to think that he could be there? For
Speaker 1: you with a pick that you want to use, or
Speaker 1: Justice Hill. Maybe that's some thinking. I mean, Dane's got
Speaker 1: it interesting now with you know, maybe Hill, maybe Williams,
Speaker 1: maybe Henderson. I mean, it's all those third round guys.
Speaker 1: That's I'm kind of something, you know, with all these backs,
Speaker 1: maybe somebody slides, maybe slides a little bit, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now you're looking at one of
Speaker 1: these guys and you had a third round great on him,
Speaker 1: and you got him with the first you know, your
Speaker 1: first pick in that fourth round. About the guy we
Speaker 1: didn't see today, Bryce, Bryce Love, see I wrote about him. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's so intriguing, out of sight, out of mind,
Speaker 1: because you know, we he interviewed him, he was at
Speaker 1: the podiumsterday. I listened to. I mean, as you says,
Speaker 1: he was sharp, and he said yesterday that he thought
Speaker 1: he could be ready for camp, didn't he hed? Yeah
Speaker 1: something like that. I mean, and with the way they
Speaker 1: do ACL surgeries and all that, I think he could
Speaker 1: be ready. Maybe come off, pup. It's not that far fetched,
Speaker 1: it's not. Yeah, it's intriguing. It is very because you're again,
Speaker 1: if we're talking about third day, guys, they're discounted. Why
Speaker 1: they discounted with Bryce Love? You know why he's discounted.
Speaker 1: It would be very cowboys, It would be very cowboys.
Speaker 1: He One of the big knocks on Bryce Love this
Speaker 1: year was lack of production catching the ball. He had
Speaker 1: twenty catches this year, so they were they heard that
Speaker 1: and they worked to get him more pass catching opportunities. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love you, I love which I mean that's college football,
Speaker 1: especially Stanford runs that kind of offense, Like twenty is
Speaker 1: not a lot. But McCaffrey though, no, I know, I know,
Speaker 1: I mean that's true, but that's compared to what they
Speaker 1: did with Bryce Love the year before. You know, if
Speaker 1: Bryce Love comes out last year, he's a second round pick.
Speaker 1: If he falls to one twenty eight and he's the
Speaker 1: top seventy five pick, and maybe he won't be ready
Speaker 1: on the first day of training camp, but you can
Speaker 1: take him off pup in August or September. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: he would have been a fainting if you didn't have
Speaker 1: the ACL injury right and he had this disappointing junior year,
Speaker 1: senior year like he had, where would he have gone? Um,
Speaker 1: you know, third round, fourth round, it's hard to say.
Speaker 1: We'll never know for sure, but adding the ACL is
Speaker 1: just another reason why he's discounted, and you know that's
Speaker 1: why he is a realistic opportunity in the late fourth.
Speaker 1: Would you rather take that chance or just draft? You know,
Speaker 1: I was more sure commodity. Take your the Memphis kid.
Speaker 1: You like the Memphis kid. But yeah, you'd have probably
Speaker 1: use a second rounder. Yeah, I mean, because we had
Speaker 1: remember the third rounders, you know late Well, okay, and
Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to say before Dane brought up
Speaker 1: Bryce Love. Is you talk about a guy sliding? Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones said Tuesday. They don't want to use They want
Speaker 1: to use a late pick on a running back they
Speaker 1: don't want to use. But the old age old question
Speaker 1: of like if he's truly BPA best player available, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you think they do it? Pick ninety's you pick the
Speaker 1: running back doesn't matter. But if that's the case, I
Speaker 1: would think so. Yes. If they're wiped out other positions, sure,
Speaker 1: then I think that's where it picked. Depth of the
Speaker 1: position is going to probably be pretty good for him. There. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Get like, I mean, you know, I think
Speaker 1: your odds of hitting on a running back at ninety
Speaker 1: or much better than Damn Ney or any other position.
Speaker 1: I think any team that wants a running back, a center,
Speaker 1: an offensive tackle, defensive end, I think everybody's gonna be
Speaker 1: happy about that. I think those are position is gonna stretch.
Speaker 1: It just depends on I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 1: linebackers are gonna stretch. I feel really confident in my
Speaker 1: ability to get a running back on day three, So
Speaker 1: it just depends who's If there's an a running back,
Speaker 1: a b uh, you know, say, defensive tackle, and then
Speaker 1: a bunch of c's, I'm probably taking the B defensive
Speaker 1: tackle over the A running back, you know, And no,
Speaker 1: dressing your board this window, dressing that board. You has
Speaker 1: to be realistic. No, I agree with you. And that's
Speaker 1: that's you know, BPA doesn't actually exist because you have
Speaker 1: to you have it's best player available towards You have
Speaker 1: to think about exactly that's what it is. Unless unless
Speaker 1: it's just such a glaring, just glaringly obvious choice, you're like,
Speaker 1: we gotta take this guy. I mean, you know, like
Speaker 1: if if Noah Fan fell to fifty eight, a team
Speaker 1: that had five tight ends would still probably draft that guy. Yeah, anyway, Sorry,
Speaker 1: makes you wonder why he is there in the first place.
Speaker 1: Last three, last three minutes. So and again thanks everybody
Speaker 1: out there for Twitter on the twenty. We appreciate all
Speaker 1: the questions. We appreciate all the questions and comments on
Speaker 1: the periscope as well. Dane Brugler set us up for
Speaker 1: tomorrow and what we got going. So tomorrow we'll have
Speaker 1: quarterbacks out there, running backs or sorry, wide receivers and
Speaker 1: tight ends. So good genc Dwyenne Haskins throw? Um, how
Speaker 1: does he look throwing the ball around, especially in comparison
Speaker 1: to Drew Locke and Daniel Jones and those guys wide
Speaker 1: receivers forty yard dash? Uh? You know, dk Metcalf's gonna fly.
Speaker 1: But what does he doing three or in the three
Speaker 1: comes short? Yeah? How did he do? Change the direction? Wise?
Speaker 1: How did you catching the ball? And his routes? So
Speaker 1: these wide receivers, Uh, you know, we want to see Nikkil,
Speaker 1: Harry Kelvin Harmon uh, Butler, we want to see the
Speaker 1: bigger guys, how they look, how they look doing their drills?
Speaker 1: And then you know I mentioned the quarterbacks, how don't
Speaker 1: what does Dwayne Haskins look like? Uh? These look comfortable,
Speaker 1: is he? You know, I want to see if you're
Speaker 1: a top five pick. I want to see you look
Speaker 1: like it. And so we'll find out tomorrow. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I was in pressed. I was
Speaker 1: watching the uh you know, the wide receivers just be
Speaker 1: a time with the wide receivers didn't bench and and
Speaker 1: and back in the day of the combine. Yeah, by
Speaker 1: the time they just didn't bench him. They remember, And
Speaker 1: I think I'm right about that because I remember not
Speaker 1: ever having to put numbers in for wide receivers. And
Speaker 1: now these guys go up there and a guy like
Speaker 1: Jalen heard those twenty three up and we got a guy,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, guys, guys, guys throwing like
Speaker 1: a Gary Jennings at those up twenty The average wide
Speaker 1: receiver bench press, let's see here, fourteen you know, uh,
Speaker 1: Kneil uh Neil, Kennel, Harry Nikki Nikkil, Harry, You're getting there.
Speaker 1: I'm trying twenty seven on the bench press. Metcalf did
Speaker 1: something absurd. Yeah, Medcalf will twenty seven. That's crazy. Yeah, yikes.
Speaker 1: So and it was the thing with Metcalf two is
Speaker 1: he has thirty five in arms, Like, it's one thing
Speaker 1: when you have shorter arms and you're doing that when
Speaker 1: you had thirty longer arms than than Noah Williams. He's
Speaker 1: a specimen, noa Noah Williams. Joanah Wi Joe. Know when
Speaker 1: I'm getting it's it's it's the end of the day
Speaker 1: for me. Hey, we got two more days. It's yeah,
Speaker 1: two more days. All right, then when we're gonna wrap
Speaker 1: this thing up right now? Cash, Yeah, I need to.
Speaker 1: It's okay, We're gonna go get a stay. I got
Speaker 1: somebody got so many names is floating? I know you
Speaker 1: got the same problem too, is all right? Well, hey,
Speaker 1: thanks everybody out there again for joining us. Uh, we
Speaker 1: will be like David said, we'll be back tomorrow night,
Speaker 1: six o'clock. It will be our final show from here
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. We're gonna try and kind of tie up
Speaker 1: the wide receivers, the quarterbacks and those tied ends. So
Speaker 1: so it should be a good day of working out
Speaker 1: for us here on the Draft show. So again, thanks
Speaker 1: everybody out there. Hope you have a great evening and
Speaker 1: we will see you tomorrow.