1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Welcome everybody. Friday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Sexton Show kicks off right now. We've got a stacked 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: show for you when I in the state of Tennessee today. 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: So I'm enjoying all the Tennesseeans that I have seen. 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: The weather a little dodgy, but fun to be here. Nonetheless, 6 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: we have a whole lot to get you. I know 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: I was out yesterday on my way to this lovely state. 8 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: So we might return to a little of the continuing 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: outrage for the speech given by mister Butker, the kicker 10 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: who I have since looked into this Clay he is, 11 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: did you know, not only a fantastic kicker and graduation speaker, 12 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: but played first tuba in the orchestra. Because it wasn't 13 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: the flute. 14 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: You wouldn't have been able to deliver that speech if 15 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 2: he had been a flute player back in the day. 16 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, man, tuba, that's right. You know, 17 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: tuba as an instrument is not usually one that you 18 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: would associate with being a multimillionaire athlete. But you never know, Clay, 19 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: You never know. 20 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 2: Do you know what chaos has happened in the world 21 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 2: of sports? I bet ninety percent of our audience knows 22 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: this right now. 23 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 1: Well about the kicker and the speech no no butt 24 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: kurtin that story, Yes, that story is out there. The 25 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: city of Louisville arrested the number one golfer in the 26 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: world driving into the PGA Championship this morning, Scotty Scheffler, 27 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: and the entire universe has come undone because he anyway 28 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: that I've been following that this morning, and I just 29 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 1: it's as if we're in twenty twenty four, where the 30 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: world is trying to come up with the craziest stories 31 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: that could possibly headline everything. I mean, I never would 32 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: have believed the Kansas City Chiefs kicker would take over 33 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: the entire media story cycle for about forty eight hours. 34 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: And now the number one golfer in the world just 35 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: got arrested trying to drive in to go play golf. 36 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: I mean that you can't even come up with some 37 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: of these Matt climbs. He got arrested allegedly for running 38 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: over a police officer and dragging him with his Well. 39 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: The video of the video of the running over and 40 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 2: dragging would suggest that it is not actually anything like that, 41 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:23,399 Speaker 2: because this guy was in a yellow like a jacket 42 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 2: and he didn't know who he was and he just 43 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 2: started hanging on to the side of the car. But anyway, 44 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: and the fact that this could even happen, I bet 45 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: it's gonna the fact that golfers drive themselves to golf 46 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 2: tournaments maybe coming to a close soon because I imagine 47 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 2: the PGA doesn't want this to happen. 48 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: I mean, theoretically he's facing five to ten years in prison. 49 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 2: So yes, that's what they're saying. Teed off and birdied 50 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: the first hole. So so he's been the process gag. Yes, 51 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: that's there. 52 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: So there you go. So the golfer who is out 53 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: there right now doing great job on the course, a 54 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: little bit more problematic out on the roadway, and we 55 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: have you know what, Actually, we'll go to the Michael 56 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: Cohen stuff a little bit later. The short version of 57 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: the very overcovered and a hype story I think from 58 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 1: a lot of the media is Michael Cohen is a 59 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: huge liar and everybody knows it. And it was a 60 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: bad day for the forces of law fair against Donald 61 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: Trump in New York City. So we shall discuss some 62 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: of that. But I actually want to start with this 63 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: because I think it could be something that not only 64 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: is worthy of our attention now, but down the line 65 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: the issue of how we handle crime. Keep in mind, 66 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: in New York City they have Donald Trump up for 67 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: thirty four felony counts, and in other cities all across 68 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: the country, as we know, they try to do their 69 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: very best not to enforce the law. They try to 70 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: go through some pretty extensive machinations at the level of 71 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: the prosecutor's office and the you know, with the district attorney, 72 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: state's attorney. They don't really want to enforce laws on issues, 73 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: particularly of violent crime, with the same kind of clarity 74 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: and honesty. I would say that they had been doing 75 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: for a while a lot of these cities, and so 76 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: you have crime rising. We talk about it here on 77 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: the show all the time. And we remember during the 78 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: BLM riots, all of a sudden it was like the Purge, 79 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: which if you haven't seen as a movie where they 80 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: make all crime legal. There were riots across the country, 81 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: very few serious prosecutions of BLM rioters. There were assaults 82 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: on officers, all kinds of things happening. Well. Texas Governor 83 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: Greg Abbott yesterday issued a full pardon to a man 84 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: who had been convicted of murder of a Black Lives 85 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: Matter protester in twenty twenty in Austin, Texas. Now his 86 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: name is Daniel Perry. I want to just note that 87 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: because we're also going to be speaking in a second 88 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: here about Daniel Penny, who is facing a manslaughter charge 89 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: in New York City. But Clay, if you remember this 90 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: incident you had, Daniel Perry was effectively his car was 91 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: sort of stopped and surrounded by people who were BLM protesters, riders, whatever, 92 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: and one of them was walking around carrying I forget 93 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: what the rifle. I think it was an AK forty seven. 94 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: I forget it was some kind of rifle, obviously not 95 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: fully automatic. But he's carrying around a rifle. And Daniel 96 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: Perry is a guy who concealed carries and so and 97 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: I believe, I believe he has a military background. I 98 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: should go back and check to make sure. Daniel Penny 99 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: is a marine, as we know. But Daniel Perry drew 100 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: down on this protester because he said that he turned 101 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: toward him with his rifle and this guy responded. Daniel 102 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: Perry responded by shooting and killing this guy who was 103 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: waving a gun in his face on the street. A 104 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: lot of people said, if you walk around in the 105 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: street waving guns in people's faces, and you're doing so 106 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: while blocking traffic, which is infraction of the law. I'm 107 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 1: not saying it's a lethal force matter, but by surrounding 108 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: someone's car creating this circumstance, you are effectively inviting a 109 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: confrontation like this. In some way, Austin is very liberal. 110 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: Austin prosecuted this guy, who's going to send him a 111 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: prison for a long time. Texas Governor Abbott stepping in 112 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: and issuing a full pardon is a big deal, and 113 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: I think it sends a message about the direction of 114 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: law enforcement in not just Texas, but a lot of 115 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: red states going into this election cycle. 116 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 2: I think it also speaks to the reality that we 117 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 2: have a completely two tiered justice system that's currently in 118 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: play in the United States, and if you are in 119 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 2: a red state, you have protections that you frankly don't 120 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,679 Speaker 2: have in blue states and certainly don't have in blue cities. 121 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 2: And to me, it ties in with the prosecution that 122 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: we're seeing of Trump, which would never have occurred in 123 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 2: a red state, and frankly, I don't think there's a 124 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: red state jury that would convict him. And when you 125 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 2: look at what Alvin Bragg is doing in New York City, 126 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 2: where it's trying to put a former marine in prison 127 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: for a long time for trying to basically restrain a 128 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: crazy person who is making threats of physical violence on 129 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: the subway, it's lowering the actual penalties when it comes 130 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 2: to felonies of almost everybody out there who gets charged 131 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 2: with a violent crime, putting them right back out on 132 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 2: the streets, indeed, and not prosecuting the law fully based 133 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: on how he calculates the identity politics behind any particular 134 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 2: defendant out there. And so this is why I've said, 135 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 2: if you're out there right now and you have the 136 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 2: means to leave, blue cities and blue states, I don't 137 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: know why you would stay. I mean, again, you have 138 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 2: the means to leave, you have to find out financial opportunity. 139 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: A lot of people say, oh, I'm staying for a job, 140 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: or I'm staying because my kids are in school. I 141 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: understand all of those aspects, but a lot of you 142 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: don't have those restraints. 143 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: I don't know why you would stay. I mean, you've 144 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: made that choice yourself. Yeah, I'm moved from a blue 145 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: state to a red state, and having looked back, and 146 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 1: I would just say in a state that keeps getting 147 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: redder as well. So it's fun to be a part 148 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: of that conservative revolution in the Free State of Florida. 149 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: But by the way, Daniel Perry was an Army sergeant, 150 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 1: so he was a military veteran. The man that he killed, 151 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: I believe was also a Air Force veteran. And it 152 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,719 Speaker 1: is notable given that these were BLM protests. It was 153 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: a white guy shooting another white guy. I think if 154 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: it had been a white guy shooting a black guy 155 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: these protests, you know you, you would have had even 156 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: more of a national focus on this. Obviously, a Black 157 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: Lives Matter protester who is black who was shot at 158 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: a protest is going to get more media attention. 159 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 2: Ties in with the Kyle Rittenhouse story, Buck, what percentage 160 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 2: of people thought Kyle Rittenhouse killed the black. 161 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: Guy a lot, which was a huge percentage of that story. 162 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: And and there are a lot of people who really 163 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: covered themselves in shame in the initial days even of 164 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: the Kyle Rittenhouse situation. But I would just note Daniel 165 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: Perry was serving He's out now thanks to Governor Abbott, 166 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: And I'm just going to say, Governor Abbot, was a 167 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: unanimous decision from the Texas Parole Board for this, or 168 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: Texas Pardon per Pardon and Parole Board, however that works. 169 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: It was unanimous for them, but it's still a This 170 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: is a move that shows some backbone from Governor Abbott, 171 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: and I think he deserves credit for that. Texas has 172 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: a stand your ground law. If somebody, you know, wave 173 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: a gun in your face and is pointing a barrel 174 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: at you and you have done nothing, and you think 175 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: that your life is in danger, you do not have 176 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: a duty. And I think this came up in the trial. 177 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: Oh he could have driven away or something. Well, if 178 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: someone's putting a rifle at you, they can turn that 179 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: car into Swiss cheese. It's not like, you know, you're 180 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: driving around in a bulletproof hum Vy or something. So 181 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: this was a big signal. And I think that it 182 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: goes to the lefts and the Democrats desire to make 183 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 1: us all subject to the whims of the state when 184 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: it even comes to whether you can defend yourself our 185 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: is self defense legal in blue states? Not really, And 186 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: that is really one of the most fundamental rights that 187 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: you can. I think it is the most fundamental right 188 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: that you have. So when a statist, authoritarian society decides, sorry, 189 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: because of the politics, your life may have to be forfeit. 190 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 1: People need to see that for what it is and 191 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: need to push back against it. And that then brings 192 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: me to Daniel Penny. You see, So, Daniel Penny's the 193 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: marine who joked Jordan Neely because he was a threat 194 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: to people on the subway. Everyone in the subway said, 195 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: this guy was acting like a maniac and screaming and 196 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: demanding money. He had assaulted a woman previously in the subway, 197 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: punched a woman in the face, and I think brokeer jaw, 198 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: and Daniel Penny put him in a choke hold. He 199 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: didn't mean to kill him, by his own admission, he 200 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: was just trying to subdue him. But he died and 201 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: he faces murder charges. Clay. It's coming up October eighth, 202 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: right a month before the election. That trial will be 203 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: happening as people are thinking about which party represents truth 204 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: and justice and the right to self defense. You're also, 205 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: I think seeing that story in Texas in the context 206 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: of a lot of people recognizing the overreaction that occurred 207 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: in the wake of George Floyd, and I think it's 208 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: part of the pushback against all of the insanity that 209 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: happened there. The pushback is happening more significantly in Red States, 210 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: but I think people are feeling it everywhere. And a 211 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: little bit. 212 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 2: Later, we'll play some audio for you that also. I 213 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 2: think a lot of people out there are getting red 214 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 2: pilled who may have been Hispanic, who may have been Asian, 215 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 2: who may be Asian, Hispanic or black, and there's now 216 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 2: a fever pitch. I think that's on inside of the 217 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 2: Democrat Party to try to stop that from happening. Joe 218 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: Biden this morning speaking at the NAACP event in Washington, 219 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 2: d C. Trying to basically terrify black people with the 220 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 2: idea of what life might be like under Donald Trump. 221 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: The problem is, we've already seen life under Donald Trump, 222 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: and it was a lot better than life under Joe Biden. 223 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 2: And so I think all of that is part of 224 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 2: the discussion. In a larger context, it's occurring. I want 225 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 2: to tell you number one fantasy sports app in America, 226 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 2: Prize Picks. They're now five million active members. Easiest, most 227 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 2: exciting way to play daily fantasy sports, including golf, which 228 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 2: we just told you craziness. 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Wanted to play you 253 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: a little something that I believe is indicative of Joe 254 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 2: Biden's collapsing support as we roll towards twenty twenty four. 255 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: Even in the entertainment industry, where you almost heard no 256 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 2: criticism of Joe Biden in twenty twenty, the late night 257 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: show hosts are taking aim at him, and he's obviously 258 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: a very fertile target. Here is Jimmy Fallon talking about 259 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 2: the debates being set up and just how mentally incompetent 260 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 2: Joe Biden actually is. 261 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: Listen, the first. 262 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 4: Debate would be next month, of which is the earliest 263 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 4: presidential debate has ever been. And if we're being honest, 264 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 4: an early bird debate feels right for these guys. Yeah, 265 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 4: Biden and Trump will meet June twenty seventh on CNN, 266 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 4: and one of Biden's debate conditions was not having an audience, 267 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 4: So that explains why it's on CNN. 268 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: Gad this. 269 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 4: Biden actually made the debate challenge to Trump in a 270 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 4: video that he posted. 271 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: Biden's talking smack. 272 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 4: Usually an eighty one year old doesn't get this riled 273 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 4: up unless you park in. 274 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: Front of their house, like, oh the other time I 275 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: forgot my line. No, no, I'll do it twice. Oh no, 276 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: Thank goodness and subtitles. All right. 277 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 2: It may not seem like a lot, but ridiculing Biden 278 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 2: did not occur for the entire twenty twenty election. And 279 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: I don't know if you've picked up on this, buck, 280 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 2: but sports pop culture, the anti Trump universe does not seem, 281 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 2: at least so far able to mobilize in the same 282 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 2: way that it was during twenty twenty. In other words, 283 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 2: there doesn't seem like a lot of people lining up 284 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 2: aggressively behind Biden. Maybe it changes, but we're almost the 285 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 2: jewe now. 286 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: There's nothing that they could say about Trump that they 287 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: haven't already said a million times. There's no joke that 288 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: they could make that has not already been made a 289 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: million times. They're out of new stuff. And you can 290 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: see that not only in terms of the way pop 291 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: culture and the commentariat treats all things Trump. You also 292 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: can see it in the way that this trial in 293 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: New York City is going on. There's nothing new here 294 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: at all. There's nothing new in this trial. This is 295 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: past the statute of limitations. It's a non crime anyway, 296 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: and they're trying very hard in the coverage of this 297 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: to make it seem like, oh my gosh, you know, 298 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: this is finally where justice will be done and Trump 299 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: will have to face the music, and the whole thing 300 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: is an absurdity. Right, So, when they've thrown as much 301 00:16:57,880 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: at Trump as they have, I think the problem is 302 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: there's this some degree of fatigue just from the share 303 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: repetition of doing what they do all the time against Trump. 304 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: It's not funny. All the jokes have been made. They're 305 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: not funny anymore. All the efforts to scare everybody have 306 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: been made. They can't scare them anymore than they already have. 307 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: I think that's where we really are. 308 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 2: I think you're right, and it's going to be interesting 309 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 2: because some of you out there are going to say, well, 310 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: they're just waiting. They haven't yet ratcheted it up. Given 311 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 2: where we have the debate that's taking place June twenty 312 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 2: seventh on CNN. To me, they're trying to start the 313 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 2: calendar earlier, and then obviously we've got Milwaukee in July 314 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 2: and then Chicago in August for the Republican and Democrat conventions. 315 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 2: I just think all the noise is not necessarily moving 316 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 2: people in any way. And I think that the entertainment 317 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 2: industry sports politics usually they weigh in. I don't think 318 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 2: it's going to happen, and I think even the comedians 319 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 2: are willing to tee off a little bit. 320 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: Gov x is an online shopping site with great discounts 321 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: set up for those who serve our communities and country. 322 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: If you're a teacher, in law enforcement, a firefighter, or 323 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: an emergency medical professional, this site is for you. 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But they're acting like it is, 342 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: so I can't tell. I can't tell if they live 343 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: in some deluded world where Michael Cohen is not the 344 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: most obvious and loathsome of liars. But Anderson Cooper was 345 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: certainly not happy over at CNN because it's clear that 346 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: Cohen did not help the case against Donald Trump because 347 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 1: he got caught in some lies and some problems. Listen 348 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: to this. 349 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 5: The last twenty minutes of court today, right before the 350 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 5: lunch break, it was incredible. I mean it was you know, 351 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 5: Elijnig on my program last night had talked about, you know, 352 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 5: on a cross examination, lawyers want to kind of put 353 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 5: the witness in a you know, build a box around 354 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 5: the witness and then slam it shut. That's what Todd 355 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 5: Blanche did to Michael Cohen. It was an extraordinary cross 356 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 5: examination by Todd Blanche and throughout the Michael Cohen when 357 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 5: he found himself in a corner, he does have a 358 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 5: pattern of suddenly not understanding the question that's being asked. 359 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 5: It seemingly kind of I mean, one could say buying 360 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 5: time to try to figure out how he wants to answer, 361 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 5: but he definitely suddenly starts to have Todd Blanche repeat 362 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 5: question since I don't quite understand what you mean. I'm 363 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 5: confused by the question. But this time Michael Cohen was 364 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 5: cornered in what appeared to be a lie. I think 365 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 5: to many in the room, you. 366 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: Don't say Clay. You mean the disbarred, disgraced, convicted felon 367 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: former attorney who went from being Trump's confidante to devoting 368 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: his life to trying to destroy Donald Trump. You mean 369 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: that that guy is not on the up and up 370 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: all the time. You mean that maybe Michael Cohen is 371 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: not the paragon of virtue they need him to be, 372 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: to be the quote star witness. I mean, it's this 373 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,959 Speaker 1: guy and the porn star lady, and that's what's supposed 374 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: to be able to theoretically send Donald Trump to prison. 375 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 2: Cohen's the star witness. This case is essentially built around 376 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 2: his testimony, and Trump's defense attorney proved beyond a shadow 377 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 2: of a doubt that Cohen is a huge liar, and 378 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 2: that much of his testimony that they are relying on 379 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 2: for the prosecution to get a conviction here is rooted 380 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: and lies. And if we had honest jurors that were 381 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 2: truly representative of United States citizens, there is no way 382 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,479 Speaker 2: on earth that there would be a conviction here. And 383 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: I actually think there's a decent chance if there were 384 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 2: an honest jury, we'd get a not guilty verdict, by 385 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 2: which I mean of the entire representative American public, because 386 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 2: I do think if this were a fifty to fifty jury, 387 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 2: six people could be persuaded this is not a crime. 388 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 2: You can believe that Donald Trump is venal, You can 389 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 2: believe that he is a liar. You can believe that 390 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: he is untrustworthy. You can believe that he is not 391 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 2: a human being that you would want your children to 392 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 2: aspire to grow up and be like all of those things. 393 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: You can believe that doesn't make him a criminal with 394 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 2: these particular charges that have been brought. And I think 395 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 2: what's been eye opening to people like Anderson Cooper who 396 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 2: just bought into the overall media narrative but have set 397 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 2: in that courtroom and actually watched the testimony take place, 398 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 2: is just how much of a house of cards this 399 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 2: entire case is and how weak it truly is. And 400 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 2: they won't directly say it, but when you hear clips 401 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 2: like that, you recognize that they're having a moment of 402 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 2: oh wow, how is this actually happening. 403 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: So I think what we're seeing is it makes it 404 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: very clear that the verdict in the Donald Trump case 405 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: is if it's about the law, yeah, if it's about 406 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: people understanding what's really going on here. I don't think 407 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: you can convict Donald Trump if you're a person of 408 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: good faith really on the facts. Put aside, if I 409 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: were looking at this objectively as objectively as I can 410 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: as a neutral observer, this is a situation where you 411 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 1: would have to look at this and say they haven't 412 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: proven their case. Remember, this is a criminal standard. The 413 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: wins they've gotten before. Is this fifty one percent you know, 414 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,479 Speaker 1: probable likely he did it, but we don't know he 415 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: did it. For civil trials beyond a reasonable doubt, there's 416 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: absolutely reasonable doubt here. There's not even really an established 417 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: crime here. It's a crime that's hung together with you know, 418 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: with bubblegum and scotch tape. That the whole thing seems sketchy. 419 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: They obviously timed it for the election. You're all that. Now, 420 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: that's on the one side. On the other side, if 421 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: this jury just thinks Donald Trump is bad, we should 422 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: prosecute it. I mean, we should convict him because he's bad, 423 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: then none of this matters, right, And that my concern 424 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: is that that's really where this goes, and that the 425 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: second thing will override the first in the jury deliberations. 426 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 2: I do think let's play these two by the way, 427 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 2: because I do think when you have MSNBC in cut 428 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,719 Speaker 2: twenty here saying, hey, this was a real moment of 429 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 2: triumph for Trump in the cross x of Michael Cohen, 430 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 2: that has to be a bit staggering to the MSNBC 431 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 2: audience listen to Cut twenty. 432 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 6: Michael Cohen not only admitted that he is now less 433 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 6: than certain about what got discussed that day and that 434 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 6: it could have been both, but he's not positive. Given 435 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 6: the one minute and thirty something seconds of that phone call, 436 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 6: that makes the district attorney's. 437 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: Office look sloppy. 438 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 6: In addition to making Michael Cohen seem like a self 439 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 6: assured either fabricator, liar or forgetful person, it hasts doubt 440 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 6: on the veracity of a ton of his testimony, and 441 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 6: not just about who he did or didn't talk to 442 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 6: on October twenty fourth or October twenty sixth. 443 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: It sort of cast lots. 444 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 6: Of his testimony in doubt given the passage of time, 445 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 6: and makes a district atorney's office look terrible all in 446 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 6: one breath. This is a moment, a real triumph for 447 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 6: Todd Lands. You could even hear it in his voice. 448 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,360 Speaker 6: Is not a person to get excitable very easily. 449 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 2: Okay, that's pretty big for MSNBC. CNN buck Cut twenty 450 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 2: one said the same thing, and if you haven't been 451 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 2: paying attention to my new detail. Cohen claims in a 452 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 2: ninety second call that he specifically discussed what was going 453 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 2: on with the payments for Trump, but also in text 454 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 2: messages he was complaining about some fourteen year old that 455 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 2: was harassing him. Ninety seconds, not a lot of time, 456 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 2: and so now he's saying he's not even certain what 457 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 2: exactly was talked about in that conversation. Here's cut twenty one. 458 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 2: By the way, that was what MSNBC was referring to 459 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 2: with the ninety second call. Here's cut twenty one, CNN 460 00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 2: telling its audience the same thing. 461 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 7: Michael Cone had one job to do, and that was 462 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 7: to put Donald Trump in the room and to have 463 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 7: Donald Trump part of the conversation concerning the making of 464 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 7: false entries and the books and records of the Trump 465 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 7: organization in order to influence the election. False centuries of 466 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 7: the misdemeanor elevated to a felony because it's in furtherance 467 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 7: of another crime, which is an election interference. 468 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: Election for it. 469 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 7: Had one job to do and he couldn't do it 470 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 7: on something so simple. Tell us about a conversation, and 471 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 7: the worst part of it is on direct He sounded 472 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 7: so convincing, he sounded so slew so good. It was 473 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 7: such a good day for the prosecution describes the conversation 474 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 7: and then completely shoots the pooch where it looks like 475 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 7: that conversation absolutely actually never happened. 476 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: Done. This is in anything. This is what I mean 477 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: in any criminal proceeding, if your star witness comes across 478 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: to everybody like a liar and the whole thing really 479 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: turns on. I mean, he's more than a star witness. 480 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: He is the case. He's the only person that has 481 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: direct knowledge of this alleged absurd crime with Donald Trump, right, 482 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: I mean, he's the only one that this would have 483 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: occurred with. It's essentially Michael Cohen is Trump's unindicted co 484 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: conspirator in this. I mean, he was indicted plenty for 485 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: other stuff and serve a prison sentence. But you get 486 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It takes two to tango in this one, 487 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: and in this case, the guy that you need to 488 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: be rock solid to even make this absurd case seem 489 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: like it happened, never mind the fact that even if 490 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: it happened, it's preposterous, and he failed at that. So 491 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: now what we see is exactly I think, Clay what 492 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,360 Speaker 1: I lined up a few moments ago, which is, if 493 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: they still convict they're just convicting Donald Trump. Yes, they 494 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: didn't even do a good job of proving the preposterous 495 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 1: crime that they say Trump committed. They're just He's Trump, 496 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: He's guilty. It doesn't matter. And I think you hit 497 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: on a really important point. There is ample evidence that 498 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 1: Trump is not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. This is 499 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: not a preponderance of the evidence standard fifty percent plus 500 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: a feather, which the other cases that he's dealt with 501 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: in New York City have been just based on Michael 502 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: Cohen admitting that he now is uncertain about what exactly 503 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: might have happened in that phone call. Is more than 504 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: enough for there to be reasonable doubt about the actual 505 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: specific charges in this case. I just hope that there 506 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: is at least one juror that is willing to truly 507 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: apply the law and has been paying attention to vote 508 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: not guilty on this case and stand up to the 509 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: pressure in the event that other jurors are willing to convict. 510 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: I would also hope that there are multiple jurors that 511 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,719 Speaker 1: are willing to say not guilty, because that would at 512 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: least give them maybe a little bit more support. We 513 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: talked about buck. If it's eleven to one that one 514 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: guy or gal who says no is going to we 515 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: believe eventually get outed and they'll be attacked and harassed 516 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: if they live in New York City because they didn't 517 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: do what the show trial was supposed to do, which 518 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: is convict the boogeyman, the bad man. If there's two 519 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: or three, it diffuses the overall attack in a way 520 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: that one person, one patriot, one honest, actual juror maybe 521 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: doesn't have the same spine. I hope I'm wrong that 522 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: there will be more than one, but I hope there's 523 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: at least one. We'll see. 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A lot 546 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,959 Speaker 2: of you want to weigh in on the Michael Cohen 547 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 2: testimony from yesterday that was so devastating to the prosecution's case. 548 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that here at the top 549 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 2: of the next hour with Andy McCarthy, but let's start 550 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 2: with Brent in Kansas. 551 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: Brent, you got a prediction. 552 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 8: Hey, good to talk to you guys. 553 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 9: I tell you what I listen to you guys every day, 554 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 9: but all the what if I'm getting I can't harder 555 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 9: take it anymore. This guy is gonna get a twelve zero. 556 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 8: Acquittal. There is nothing that these guys have. 557 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 2: To Brent, Brent, twelve zero your prediction. Where do you 558 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 2: live in Kansas? 559 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 9: I live right in the center at Kansas, about two 560 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 9: hours from Kansas City to the west. 561 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 2: All right, all right, I'm gonna make this bet. Buck, 562 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 2: you can be the witness. You guys can grab the audio. 563 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: Brent. 564 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 2: If Trump gets a twelve oh acquittal, I will travel 565 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 2: to your hometown and I will take you out for 566 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 2: your favorite steak dinner in your town. Brent, this is 567 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 2: you called in to make this prediction. I think you 568 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 2: are crazy. I think there's no way there'll be a 569 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 2: twelve oh acquittal. But if you are right, in honor 570 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 2: of you calling your shot here on the show, on 571 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 2: this Friday, I will travel to Kansas and you and 572 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 2: I will go out for a steak dinner. 573 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 8: Okay, I will take you up on that. 574 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: All right, you can order the most expensive bottle of 575 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: wine on the menu together, my friend. So that's fuck. 576 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm to ride your coat tails. 577 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 2: Stay on the line, Brent, they will get your information, 578 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 2: all of you out there listening. If there is a 579 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 2: twelve oh acquittal, if Brent has called it, then I 580 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 2: will be traveling to Kansas. I think there is a 581 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 2: zero percent chance, even though I think it. Thank you 582 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 2: for the call. Even though Buck, I think it's justified legally, 583 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 2: and I bet Andy McCarthy will as well. I just 584 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 2: think this is such a rig jury that there's no 585 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 2: way you could get twelve people to do the right thing. 586 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 2: I'm just hoping for two or three. I mean, I 587 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 2: know a grand jury will inde the ham sandwich. Everybody 588 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 2: knows the phrase, but in this case, I'm not even 589 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 2: sure it qualifies as a ham sandwich. 590 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: Like the fact that this went forward at all, period, 591 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: the fact that a judge has not thrown it out. 592 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: I mean, well every point, good point. Sorry to cut 593 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: you off. There will be a motion for a directed 594 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: verdict at the end of this. 595 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 2: Merchant is not going to grant it. He should based 596 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 2: on this tests. He absolutely should, but of course he 597 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 2: will not because he knows his judicial and legal. 598 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: Future is over. If he were to bail Donald Trump 599 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: out of this, He's going to go punch his pilot 600 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: on this one. He has no interest in being the 601 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: one that makes the decision. He's going to leave it 602 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: up to the crowd, or in this case, to the jurors. 603 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: I think that it's an even weaker It's an even 604 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: weaker case than we had anticipated it would be, not 605 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: on the on the on the sort of merits of 606 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: the facts, but really on Michael Cohen. This guy can't 607 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: find his way out of a paper bag. It's astonishing 608 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: that they thought that he was going to be so 609 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: much more capable in this than he was given the 610 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: reality of who he is. Do we have any other 611 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: calls up? 612 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, Kathy in Palm Beach Gardens, Florida. Kathy, you were 613 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 2: on a jury and you wanted to talk about your 614 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 2: experience analyzing the testimony. 615 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 7: Yeah. 616 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 10: I was on a jury and I kind of had 617 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 10: a preconceived notion about the woman when I first saw 618 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 10: her and I heard her. But yeah, I got on 619 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 10: that jury. I was made the jury for person, and 620 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 10: the longer we sat through that trial, the more we 621 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 10: realized that the prosecution was not proving her guilty. We 622 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 10: went into the jury room for the verdict and we 623 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 10: all felt the same way. We knew she was guilty. 624 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 10: We knew it, but we also knew that we could 625 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,240 Speaker 10: not condemn a woman to five years in jail without 626 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 10: the evidence being cruised. 627 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 2: So in your case, you didn't think the reason even 628 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 2: though you thought she was guilty, you didn't think the 629 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 2: prosecution had carried the burden of beyond a reasonable doubt. 630 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: Right, you have to be so certain about this that 631 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: you will not lose a moment's sleep at night knowing 632 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: that a person could be in prison who is innocent. 633 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: That's really the standard. 634 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 2: I'm curious when you went into the jury room, you 635 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 2: said you were the four person the first vote. All 636 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 2: twelve jurors or however many jurors were on your jury 637 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 2: all had the same agreement. 638 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 10: Yeah, six of us on the jury all not guilty. 639 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 10: And can I just say one more thing. I've witnessed 640 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 10: jur a case down here in Florida, in Palm Beach 641 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 10: County of a police officer, and I'm witnessing how bad 642 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 10: our justice system is, especially down here, and this is 643 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 10: heartbreaking what they are doing to our police officers. And 644 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 10: on National Police Officer Week, everybody in the media needs 645 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 10: to go and look at what's happening to our police 646 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 10: officers and how many of them are being unjustly sent 647 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,879 Speaker 10: to prison for just trying to do their job. 648 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: Thank you for the call. 649 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 2: There's no doubt there is an attack on police officers 650 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 2: that has occurred, particularly since twenty two, and it's been 651 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 2: elevated really quick. Louis and El Paso. We're headed to 652 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 2: the break here to finish the hour. Than Andy McCarthy, 653 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,399 Speaker 2: what you got for us. 654 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 11: Well, I just wanted to stay real quick. I've heard 655 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 11: a lot of discussion about the weakness of the case 656 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 11: against Trump and the lack of credibility of Michigan. The 657 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 11: point is this that I haven't heard. I prosecuted a 658 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,320 Speaker 11: lot of cases down here in Texas, and the point 659 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 11: is there, unfortunately, some unethical prosecutors. And the point here 660 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 11: is just get the conviction. It doesn't matter how or where. 661 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 11: I don't think having discussed this with other attorneys, everyone 662 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 11: knows it's coming back on a field. But for the 663 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 11: prosecutor in that drawal room, it doesn't matter. I got 664 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 11: the conviction and a pellicer reversed it. 665 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: Would you have brought this case in Texas? 666 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 11: Excuse me? 667 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 2: Would you have brought this case you're a prosecutor in Texas, 668 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 2: the DOJ, the art