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Speaker 1: Oh, a great time. I watched Steve Lasper's Time, Time Time.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of one Bill's Live Steve Task

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Speaker 1: along with Chris Brown here with you. On what day

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Speaker 1: of the week is it, Brownie, It's Friday? Yeah right,

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Speaker 1: I never miss a Friday. You're already ahead of the

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Speaker 1: game today. I never think. I never think Friday is

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Speaker 1: a Wednesday. Like I thought yesterday was a Wednesday. I could,

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Speaker 1: you know, think about it though. It's great. I gained

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Speaker 1: the day of the week yesterday by thinking it was

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Speaker 1: Wednesday and it was actually Thursday. And already the next

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Speaker 1: day it's Friday, a big weekend, and we got a

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Speaker 1: jam packed show today. We do, we do, We got

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Speaker 1: a we got a ton of guys coming on. We've

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Speaker 1: got you're gonna do Tasker's teammate with me at the

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Speaker 1: bottom of the Earth, Jeremy Fowler from ESPN coming on,

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Speaker 1: and Steve Palazzolo from Pro Football Focus coming on. A

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Speaker 1: lot going on today. The Washington Redskins made a new

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Speaker 1: splash for all the wrong reasons overnight with a Washington

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Speaker 1: Post article that came out that's actually we're gonna ask

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Speaker 1: a Twitter question about that. We've seen the league take

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Speaker 1: actions against teams for things like this. Uh, certainly this

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Speaker 1: falls into a league wide problem that they want to

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Speaker 1: But I think I don't know if you agree with

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Speaker 1: me or not, Brownie, I think the best way to

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Speaker 1: make a statement about this is for the league to

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Speaker 1: hammer them a little bit, at least a little bit

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Speaker 1: with what's going on with the workplace harassment of their

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Speaker 1: female employees. Yeah, it's it's hard to hear it. And

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Speaker 1: we had been we had been kind of given a

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Speaker 1: because Washington, DC area media we're tweeting that there were

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Speaker 1: that the nickname change by the Washington Football Club was

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Speaker 1: just the tip of the icebergy. There was more news

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Speaker 1: And I speculated that it could be something like this,

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Speaker 1: now here we are and it's we're not just talking

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Speaker 1: never never was a place for it. But it was

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Speaker 1: tolerated to a far greater degree, you know, decades ago

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Speaker 1: as just the way it is, and only in recent

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Speaker 1: as precedent for this in the NFL with former Carolina

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Speaker 1: although it was directly implicated, right, he was directly implicated

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Speaker 1: in that this is fifteen different women were cited in

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Speaker 1: the report that they were harassed as a form of

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Speaker 1: it was just rampant, right people, and three of which

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Speaker 1: the Voice of the Redskins resigned amid all of this. Yesterday,

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Speaker 1: Dan Snyder's in they are in damage control. He released

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Speaker 1: also the franchise that a handful of years ago was

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Speaker 1: So none of this seems shocking, although the the ingrained

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Speaker 1: NFL's values the statement. This statement said everyone in the

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Speaker 1: And I said, why, well, I've I've got a legal

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Speaker 1: like this where you have to hire an outside council

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Speaker 1: terrible conflict of interest. So, um, I think we shouldn't

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Speaker 1: And there's there's really accounts in the report, not just

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Speaker 1: and that's you know, that's too. That was to address

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Speaker 1: Now you're I mean, this is right up there with that.

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Speaker 1: never change it, right, that's true. But this is all

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Speaker 1: And it even went further than that, Steve, because it

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Speaker 1: camp was, you know, another forty guys. So maybe, but

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00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: in any event, it is Tasker's teammates. I believe this

431
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: is addition four, as we've done this three other times.

432
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: We had Quinn early, Leon Seals, and I'm trying to

433
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: remember last last Keith McKellar. Oh yeah, Keith McKellar, which

434
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: you got in a record three clues. So you're you're

435
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: you're getting better at this, Steve, So, so kudos to you.

436
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: But we'll see if we can stump you this time around. So,

437
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: first clue on the board for this edition of Tasker's Teammate.

438
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: I was a teammate of Steve Taskers for eight seasons,

439
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: all of which were with the Bills and included all

440
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: four Super Bowl appearances. Okay, any thoughts at all, Mark Kelso,

441
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: it is not Mark Kelso. Okay, so there's the first

442
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: first guest. Okay, in high school Clue number two. In

443
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: high school, I was not only a successful football player

444
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: in Ohio, but also a successful wrestler's Tasker's teammate Clue

445
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: number two. And if we have any game show music

446
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: back at the gr Studios, we'd certainly appreciate the wrestler man.

447
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: That's big hold on. I will try. I don't want

448
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: to give it away early, so I'm trying to be

449
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: cryptic with these clues. I don't think Daryl Daryl Talley.

450
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: He is a Cleveland native, but it is not Darryl Talley.

451
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: I didn't think. I didn't think he was a wrestler.

452
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: I didn't, don't. I don't know if he was. We'd

453
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: have to ask himself about Ray Bentley. It's not Ray Bentley. Okay, Okay,

454
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: here we go Clue number three. Okay. I continued my

455
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: success as a football player in college, as I was

456
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: a first team All American and was a high draft

457
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: choice of the Buffalo Bills. Henry Jones, it is not

458
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: Henry Jones. He wasn't there for all four Super Bowls.

459
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: He was there for three the last three. Yeah? Hold on,

460
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: oay said that was clue number three? All right, hold on,

461
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: hold on. He was an high school he was a

462
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: wrestler in high school. And what was that last? What

463
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: was just team All American in college and was a

464
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: high draft choice of the Bills. I couldn't give you

465
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: the here would give it away. Uh. So that's three

466
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: clues down. Oh, you want to take another stab before

467
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: I go to clue number four. Yeah, Ruben Brown, it

468
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: is not Ruben Brown. Ruben's a Virginia native. He's not

469
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: from Ohio. I didn't know that, Okay, So here's clue

470
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: number four. I was an eleven year starter for the Bills,

471
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: and over that span I missed just twelve starts. Oh,

472
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: I know who that is. That's Jimmy or Richard ding

473
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: Ding ding ding Ding Steve well Dalay, Ohio. Yeah, yeah,

474
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: Jimmy Richard. Alright, well, good job. I trust should have

475
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: known that. I should have gotten down on the rest

476
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: where I forgot it. I forgot about it. He was, yeah,

477
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: not Finlay, Ohio. He was Hinkley, Hinkley, Ohio. Yeah. Well

478
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: they on Wikipedia could be wrong, but they're telling me Perea.

479
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's right or not. But

480
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: we have Jim on the line so he can confirm

481
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: for us. Jim, thanks for joining us. Steve, guess you

482
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: and four clues? Yeah, sud A, good job. Thanks now,

483
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: didn't it? Aren't you the place in Ohio where the

484
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: buzzers return every year? Exactly? Hinkley. You know when I

485
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: first went to college. Of course, I've never been very smart,

486
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: but when I first went to college, they they said

487
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: where were you born? And I was born in a

488
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: hospital in Buria, So I said Burrill, Ohio. And they've

489
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: always used that as like my hometown wherever it says,

490
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,719
Speaker 1: you know, from Baria. I should have gotten you on

491
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: the second clue with wrestler in high school because I

492
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: knew that was I knew you were a really good wrestler,

493
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: and didn't you wrestle a little bit in college as well?

494
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: I always tell people I'm an undefeated collegiate wrestler because

495
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: when I was a freshman, there was another phil Um.

496
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: He was he was four years older. He went to

497
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: the University of North Carolina d Hardison, and d was

498
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle for the Bills, but he played at

499
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: UNC and he is also a wrestler, so he had

500
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: won the ACC the year before. Well, they came to

501
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: me during wrestling season and I hadn't wrestled. We weren't

502
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: even working out yet, I don't think for for football,

503
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: so I'm I'm totally out of shape and um, but

504
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: they knew I was a wrestler in high school, and

505
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: the heavywey to come down with the staff and fix

506
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: him from state and they were wrestling UNC that night

507
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: over at UNC, and of course it was going to

508
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: be against d Hardison, who was like the strongest man

509
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: in the planet. And you know, I'm you know, the

510
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: wrestling coach came to me and said, you know, well,

511
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: you've got to wrestle for us. And I'm going, oh,

512
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna wrestle, you know, you know, way out

513
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: of shape. I'm you know, get killed out there, you know.

514
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: And then the coaches, the football coaches came to me

515
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: and said, you know, you gotta you gotta do it,

516
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: you gotta do it, you gotta do it, you know.

517
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: So I'm might go over there. And and but they

518
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,239
Speaker 1: had they had played in a bowl games, so they

519
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: weren't sure. And I think they were gonna win anyway,

520
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: so they didn't even put the out there. They put

521
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: the guy that had been wrestling, and I ended up winning.

522
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: But I was so tired I couldn't even I couldn't

523
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: even get on my feet to um for them to

524
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: raise my hand. I won't, but you know they raised

525
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: my hand with me on my knees, and uh, I've

526
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: never been so tired. They said, you got to come

527
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: out and you know, you've got to be a wrestler

528
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: for us. I said, no, that's it. I'm an undefeatedly difference,

529
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: that's it. But Jim, Jim, what is the what would

530
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: you say is the biggest difference in terms of the

531
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: stamina and endurance that you have to have for wrestling

532
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: as opposed to football. I would tend to think that,

533
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, football is a lot of short intense bursts

534
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: of high intense you know activity. But then wrestling is

535
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: just it's just sustained and constant for like three to

536
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: four minutes. Right, Yeah, it's only a few minutes. I mean,

537
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: you probably overall in a football game will put out

538
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: that amount of exertion, you know, the say the six

539
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: minutes or you know whatever. In high school, I think

540
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 1: it was two two two or and it might be

541
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: three two two in college. I don't even remember anymore.

542
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: But you know, you're you're talking six seven, eight minutes

543
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: maybe most and and you know you do that in

544
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: a football game. It's like you said, it's it's full exertion. Um,

545
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: you know, for a couple of seconds at each time.

546
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,719
Speaker 1: You know, and you might do it sixty five seventy

547
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: times or so during a game, but it's only those

548
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: you know, a few three four seconds, um, you know,

549
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: and you recover where you're out there and you're you're

550
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: struggling either to get up or get out of a hole.

551
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: You're going, Yeah, it wears you out. And and so

552
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: like I was really low, and you know, when we're

553
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: up on our feet, you know, in the first period,

554
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: and by the second period I looked like Frankenstein walking

555
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: around with stiff legs and bombs out in front of me.

556
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: I was so tough. I'll never do that. I mean,

557
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: you you're one of the guys. We had a guest

558
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: on who she did a and an article about how

559
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: offensive linemen when they leave the game, they either go

560
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: one way or the other. They either go up to

561
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: like four hundred pounds or they dropped down and they

562
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: become looking like a regular athlete walking around. And I

563
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: know we've crossed paths a ton of times since since

564
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 1: you've finished playing. You were and one of the guys

565
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: that kind of trimmed down what was the like absolute

566
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: most you ever weighed as an NFL player and then

567
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: and now as a as a guy who's out what

568
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: are your what you're playing weight now? As it were, Well,

569
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: I've always been sort of a yo yo even when

570
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: I was playing. You know, it was always up and down,

571
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: up and down. And I still do that. You know, I'll,

572
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, tend to lose a little bit of weight

573
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: and you know, I might get down to I've been

574
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: down as far going down to something down Kent Paul's

575
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: um down in Mississippi. I was down to the right

576
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: around two hundred and ten pounds, but right now I'm

577
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: around two thirty five to forty, so you know, I'm

578
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: back up, but playing the most ever waged. I stepped

579
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: on the scale and it was the first day of

580
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: training camp, and Fred and I had been you know,

581
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: he had come up early and we've been really working

582
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: on getting my weight up, and I was really gonna

583
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: and I was two eighty four. I you know, we

584
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: were drinking these FRAPs, all the things he was making,

585
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I think we were putting sixteen

586
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: eggs in this frap that he was making. And you know,

587
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: I got up to two eighty four the first day

588
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: of practice, and I lost like twelve or fifteen pounds

589
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: the first day, you know, all water of sweating, but

590
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: I never had two eighty four again, you know. And

591
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: and so most of my playing time I was between

592
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: anywhere from you know, in Atlanta, I was like two

593
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: fifty five, but anywhere from from that to you know,

594
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: I would hit two seventy five. You know. Usually you know,

595
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: during the season, I could get up there, but I

596
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: could never hold it. I was. You know, Rusty would

597
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: would would weigh us in and and I'd weighed two

598
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: sixty five and and he would, you know, the coaches

599
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: would be at him, and I had to weigh, you know,

600
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: at least over two seventy. You know, you know that

601
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: they said that were going to replace me. So I'd

602
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: be hiding weights, you know, in my shorts and you know,

603
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: into my socks and and under my hat. At one

604
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: time they made me way and naked it. But I

605
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 1: had a hat on, but I did have weights underneath

606
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: the hat. And I'm walking up and and and uh,

607
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: you know, I look at Fred and I said, see,

608
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: you know, because he's always getting on. He says, you

609
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: probably have weights under your hat, you know. And I'm like,

610
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: shut up there, you'll probably look underneath the Rusty thought.

611
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: That's That's the way it really was. I mean, and

612
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: I remember this too. One of the reasons you could

613
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: play at at at a weight that was less than

614
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: a lot of other guys because of your strength and

615
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: also because they used you a lot of time. There

616
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: were times when I swore up and down you probably

617
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: could outrun me. I mean, you were one of the fastest,

618
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: most athletic offensive linemen and you were you actually went

619
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 1: to the Pro Bowl because of that athleticism. There wasn't

620
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: no one gonna outrun you said. I mean it looked

621
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: like I'll tell you what it looked like. If I

622
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: was playing offensive line. I don't think I can keep

623
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: up with you. There's there's a lot of guys that

624
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: you can you can tell them, I'm much harder person

625
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: as like Sevy. You know, there might be faster people

626
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: out there, but when you're the first one down on

627
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: the kickoff team, that just shows what a big you know,

628
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: because a lot of guys are running down, look at

629
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: who's gonna hit him or whatever. And Sevey was was

630
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: smart enough, he knew and you know, to get down

631
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: there fast before anyone could get turned around. And uh,

632
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: you know, but that just shows what a big heart

633
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: and what a great player Sevy always was. You know,

634
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: kickoff team, whatever it was, you know, kickoff, a turn punt.

635
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: I don't think there was a special team that you

636
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: didn't play. Wasn't I didn't play field goal. I did

637
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: play that. I was a holder for field goal once

638
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: a while, I think once or twice in my career

639
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: was on field goal defense. I rushed the kick or something.

640
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Speaker 1: But that's yeah, there's I did it all at one

641
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Speaker 1: point or another. Yeah, that's right, Jim. I do have

642
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: to ask you, because I was just curious about this.

643
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: I know Lou Holtz was your coach at NC State

644
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: UM and I've heard stories that he did quite the

645
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: salesman job on you. Making North Carol Line. It seemed

646
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: like paradise, you know, when he was recruiting you in

647
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 1: high school. Was he was he any different back then

648
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: as to the much more higher profile national personality that

649
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: more people got to know him at in his later

650
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: in his career, you know, and he was coaching Notre

651
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: Dame and then there after, you know, doing broadcasting. Was

652
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: he the same guy? Then? Well? I have to tell you,

653
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: I don't know that much about Louholz. I got to

654
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: know him a little bit. He spoke at an all

655
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: district banquet that I was at. He was the featured

656
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: speaker there and I really enjoyed him. He brought David

657
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: don Bucky, who was from the area, that was the

658
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: quarterback and wide receiver Canadam at North Carolina State at

659
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: the time, that you know, really good players they played

660
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: with the Jets. What ended up happening was he signed

661
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: me on Friday and that you know up in Ohio.

662
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: He said, Um, you know, I'm about eighty percent sure

663
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: I'm going to stay at North Carolina State. He said,

664
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: but you know, the Jets are offering me a contract

665
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: that's really hard to refuse, you know, a lot of money,

666
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: a house and all this, he said, But I'm about

667
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: eighty percent sure I'm gonna stay. He said, I'll know Monday.

668
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: He said, Um, he said, you know, if you want

669
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: to wait till monday, he said, or you can sign now.

670
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 1: He said, you know, if if it's me that you're coming,

671
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: you know, for North Carolina State, for you know, wait

672
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: till monday, if there's other reasons that you want to

673
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: come to North Carolina State. And I loved the university.

674
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: I loved everything he said about it. You know, I've

675
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: been there, and so I signed on Friday. But sure enough,

676
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: he went to the Jets on Monday. So he was

677
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: never my coach he signed. It was never your coach.

678
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: He only recruited you. Okay, yeah, yeah, that's crazy. And

679
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: then the last thing, the last thing that I didn't

680
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: know Steve about Jim was there was a lot of talk,

681
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: and he was recruited a lot to be a defensive

682
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: end in college, not an offensive linement. Well that's what

683
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: I was hoping to go as a defense. Well I

684
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: did go as a defense event and that's what coach

685
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: Holtz had recruited. Move forward, but oh Rye and he

686
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: was our our coach at North Carolina State that that

687
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: took the job after after Coach Holt. The first day

688
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: I walked on campus, he moved me um to center,

689
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: and of course, tears running down my face. I'm going center.

690
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 1: That's where your little sister when you're playing backyard football,

691
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: you know, you snapped the ball to the guys that

692
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: can play football. I didn't want to play center, but

693
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 1: you know, it worked. And you know, the Lord Lord

694
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: is really good. He blessed me in so many ways,

695
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: and it worked out so well for me. You know,

696
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: I you know, I wish I could. You know, I

697
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: always want to believe that maybe I would have had

698
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: that same success at defensive end, but I really doubt it. Jimmy,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming on with its. Like, I'm glad,

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Speaker 1: I guess you. It's good hearing from you all. Tell

701
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: Tell Harry and the kids. I said hello, Please do

702
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: the same with there and all your kids. I'm looking forward.

703
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get up there for m Kelly's golf

704
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: tournament and maybe we'll see up there in East Aurora.

705
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: All right, looking forward to it, Jimmy, thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 1: All right. Wall of Famer Jim Richard guests by Wall

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Speaker 1: of Famer Steve Taskers. So, Steve, you are on a

708
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: role lately here with Tasker's teammate, that one you got

709
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: in four clues, And I gotta say, Steve, I kept

710
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: him pretty cryptic on purpose because I had I had

711
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: a feeling that you knew a lot about Jim. Um. Obviously,

712
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: one of the last clues was, you know, gonna be

713
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: how his career, his second career really took off after

714
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: he played you know, kind of a play on words there,

715
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: knowing he was a pilot for an American airlines. Is

716
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 1: he still flying? We didn't get to ask We shouldn't

717
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: asked him. Probably not now nobody's flying, but yeah, well right, yeah,

718
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: um yeah he's He did it for years for I

719
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: think he still is working at the airlines, and um

720
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: yeah he's. And I'm bummed I didn't get it when

721
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: you mentioned High Ohio and wrestling. I should and I

722
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: should have got that right, Yeah, I got somehow that didn't.

723
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: There's so many offensive linemen that have wrestling backgrounds. It's

724
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: well defensive lineman too, especially the interior guys. Yes, but man,

725
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: I mean such an asset for football players because you

726
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: just learn everything about leverage when you're hands. Yeah, leverage

727
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: in your hand placement and all of that stuff and

728
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: all the it's tech. It's a very technique. Sport is

729
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: wrestling and that's and that translates just perfectly for football.

730
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: All Right. That was a great job. Great job on

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Speaker 1: Tasker's teammate for this edition. We'll have other future editions

732
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Speaker 1: coming up because we got a hundreds of players to

733
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: choose from to try to stump Steve. We haven't stumped

734
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: him yet, but uh, good on you for getting Jim

735
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: Richard in four Clues were you will take a break,

736
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: but be back with more as we've got plenty to

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Speaker 1: discuss here on a busy, busy Friday on One Bill's

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Speaker 1: Live presented by Kalida Health on Buffalo Bill's Radio. Back

739
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: to One Bill's Live Steep Tasker Chris Brown here till

740
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: three o'clock we're asking you what the NFL should do

741
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: about the Washington situation. And also thanks to my old

742
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: buddy Jimmy Richard for coming on on Tasker's teammate. What

743
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: a guy, What a guy we got. We got some

744
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: feedback from from some of you out there on the

745
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: tweet sheet about what you think the NFL should do

746
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: about um, the Washington Redskins and their toxic work environment

747
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: and how their employees were treated by superiors. Tim Donovan

748
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: on the tweet sheet says, Snyder's statement should not matter

749
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: a hill of beans. I know, innocent until proven guilty,

750
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: but man, after over fifteen years, he knew something was

751
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: going on. I mean, he's the owner for crying out loud,

752
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: he knew about it, did nothing about it, plain and simple.

753
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: Make Snyder sell his stake in the team. There's no

754
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: room for any sort of harassment of any kind in

755
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: any workplace. That's from Tim Donovan and I and I

756
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 1: have to agree with that as well. Uh Met Fan

757
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: says this as we've seen before, we should wait for

758
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: more facts instead of giving free rein to implicate anyone

759
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: the accusers want, because if someone is innocent, they don't

760
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: need to have their lives ruined as well. Yeah, protect

761
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: anybody who's innocent within the organization. And there were some

762
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: people brownie who uh in the in the article by

763
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: the Washington Post, there was and I couldn't name them.

764
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: I can't remember all the names involved, but they they

765
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: they did point out a one or two people who

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00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: were above it all or who did not stoop to

767
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: that level and kind of remain. But even so those

768
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: also those people were never the ones who said, listen,

769
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say I'll look at say something. Um, I

770
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: think everybody over there was afraid for their job if

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00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: they said anything. Hadn't it Let alone the victims and

772
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: also anybody else who came to the aid of the victims, right,

773
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: and and then even you know, taking it a step further.

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00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: It was and this was cited in the Washington Post

775
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: report as well. There were several Washington Team employees that

776
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: were saying the HR department was horribly understaffed and really

777
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: did not take action with some of these things. And

778
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: so you don't have any faith that the higher ups

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00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: are going to police this kind of behavior. You have

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Speaker 1: an HR department that's understaffed and may not give it

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00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: any credence either and when you're a victim and you're

782
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: hesitant to report it in the first place, and you know,

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00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: those things also exist within the culture, I think you're

784
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: more apt to just again normalize it as best you

785
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: can internalize it and do your best to let it

786
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: go by the board so you can keep your job.

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Speaker 1: And that is what most A good portion of the

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00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: women that were quoted in the story stated. They said, look,

789
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: I I it was horribly uncomfortable. There's a there was

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00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: one of one of the women that said, you know,

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00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: I'd be sobbing at my desk all the time, right,

792
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: you know, and because I had nowhere to turn to

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00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: that I felt this would be handled properly. That's part

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00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 1: of the toxic nature of the work environment. Not only

795
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: is it toxic and abusive and harassing, there's also nowhere

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00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: to turn for help. And that's why it gets perpetuated.

797
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,959
Speaker 1: And that's why you have to go higher and hire

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00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: to get those responsible for putting people in place to

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00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: monitor stuff like that, keep it under control, and do

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00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: away with it. The pial mechanism for for h for help. Yeah,

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00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: the pace of this investigation I think is going to

802
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: be critical, uh to what the NFL ultimately decides to do.

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00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: I don't think. I think the league knows that with

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00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: allegations like this, they cannot sit on their hands for

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00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: very long and be patient in letting this investigation run

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00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: its course. I think there is going to come a

807
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: point in time where if they feel the rate at

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00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: which things are taking place is not in line with

809
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: the timing in which they believe they need to address

810
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: this and not make it a backburner issue, they may

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00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: they may preemptively act right so, and it could happen fast.

812
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: It could happen very fast, depending on where the pressure

813
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: comes from and if the right people are involved. I

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00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: don't think there's any question. I think there's no There's

815
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: no question too that there are minority owners who are

816
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: who we've heard that are willing to take over the

817
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: reins and you would sell a percentage of the club

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00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: for a percentage of the worth of it, and presto chango,

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00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: you're done. Now. There might be those two that say, listen,

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00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: he can't be affiliated with the club at all. He's

821
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: got to be completely gone. But in the end of

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00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: I think that's how it's got to be. I think

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00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 1: so too. I think he's got to get completely away

824
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: from it. Um that may be well, it depends on

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00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: how and if if if the rumors are true. He

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00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: didn't care what people think, so it's going to be

827
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 1: an interesting fight if he decides to go that direction.

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker Chris Brown coming up at the top of

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Speaker 1: the hour. ESPN's Jeremy Fowler, he's been ranking the top

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00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: ten players at each position around the National Football League,

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Speaker 1: will ask his to take on what the Buffalo Bills

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Speaker 1: have to offer in that regard. This is Buffalo Bills

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Speaker 1: Radio presented by Clyde to Health one and this is

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Speaker 1: one Bill's Live O bre Tackle by Steve Tasters Dome

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Speaker 1: Bus Down two. Welcome back to one of Bill's lives.

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Speaker 1: Steve task along with Chris Brown till three o'clock talking

837
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: about the Washington football team and what's going to happen

838
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: to them in the aftermath of the Washington Post story

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00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: that outlined a toxic work environment or harassing work environment.

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00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: And we're also going to have on the line in

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00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: a moment Jeremy Fowler with ESPN, who has done rankings

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00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: of all twenty two starting positions the National Football League.

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00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: He talked to dozens of NFL personnel, GM's head coaches,

844
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: exact scouts, vets, players, all of that to get the

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00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: top eleven guys in each position. And I think Jeremy

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00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: is on the line with us. Now, he's not there yet, Okay,

847
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna have We're gonna have him. He's also, i

848
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: should say Steve. He's also kind of had his ear

849
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: to the ground on these you know, NFLPA and NFL negotiations,

850
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 1: So we'll kind of get into him with that too,

851
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: get into that with him as well. You know all

852
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: these opt out clauses that the players are now going

853
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: to have at their disposal to make use of where

854
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 1: it looks like they'll get paid their salaries but maybe

855
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: not any bonuses. And there's several different listings in which

856
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: they can make that happen. Yeah, and and and now

857
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 1: we've got Jeremy on the line with this. Jeremy, Steve Tasker,

858
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: and Chris Brown here in Buffalo on w g R

859
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: one Bills Live. Thanks for joining us, And we've got

860
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: to start out Jeremy by asking you, as your family

861
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: safe and sound. Are you okay during the pandemic? Yes, sir,

862
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. We're all doing great. Just just

863
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: hanging out there helping for a season, you know, yeah, exactly.

864
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: We're talking about the topic of the day, the Washington

865
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: football team and what's going on in the tautic nature

866
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: of the work environment there. What do you think the

867
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: league's options are. I mean, we've seen got teams like

868
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: with Jerry Richardson and Carolina for something along these lines.

869
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: Although this went right to his doorstep, they forced him

870
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: to sell the team. Do you think anything that drastic

871
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: will happen to Washington? What else possible? Yeah? I think

872
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: that you'll see the league wait for the investigation to

873
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: play out. And you know, I know it's a independent

874
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: third party, but it was hired by the team, so

875
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: there should be some skepticism looked upon that review. But

876
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: I think they want to see what comes out of

877
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: it and what Daniel Snyder's involvement might be. Um, you know,

878
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: because he's not you know, there's not a direct correlation

879
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: in the report from him to the sexual harassment, and

880
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: you know that that could help his case for keeping

881
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: the team. But um, you know, the owners could get

882
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: together and decide something drastic if they wanted to. You know,

883
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: I don't expect that right now, but um, I think

884
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 1: right now, Well, to see see how the investigation plays out. Yeah,

885
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: Steve and I were talking about just with the current

886
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 1: climate in our country, you know, in the NFL trying

887
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: to make good on the racial inequality issue, which you know,

888
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: Commissioner Goodell has already admitted they got wrong the first time.

889
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: Amidst the Colin Kaepernick protests, They've they've tried to address

890
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: domestic violence which has existed within their game. You know,

891
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: we don't have to run down the list, but Ray Rice,

892
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt and Jerry Richardson. I would think that this

893
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: is gonna be front burners stuff here in a big way,

894
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: knowing how the NFL likes to present themselves in terms

895
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: of a good public face and being on board with

896
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: the social causes that clearly mattered to the majority of

897
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: this country. Sure, and I think the NFL will want

898
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: to see Daniel Snyder have a detailed plan here. You know,

899
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: he can issue a statement and that's great. But you know,

900
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 1: I liken this to the Dallas Mavericks with Mark Cuban.

901
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: There was a report similarly that came out a couple

902
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 1: of years ago with the Mavericks, maybe not as extensive

903
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: as far as harassment, but there were some problems in

904
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: the workplace, and Mark Cuban went out in the media

905
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: and the interviews and took his lumps and was showed contrition.

906
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: And so I think they're going to need that from

907
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: Daniel Snyder, who's notoriously a private person, not out in

908
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: the media very often. So I think something will have

909
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: to change in this regard. On that front, we'll talking

910
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: with Jeremy Fowler VSPN. You spoke to not just changing

911
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: the subject here, you spoke to sixty NFL personnel, GMS,

912
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: head coaches, executives. You went down all twenty two starters

913
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: of each side of the football and gave the top

914
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: ten guys in each spot. And that's a lot of guys,

915
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: I mean, but it does go deep. And what was

916
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: your most telling what was the most interesting fact or

917
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: observation you made about all sixty of these NFL personnel

918
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 1: and their opinions about the players you're talking about. Oh, well,

919
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: there are a lot I guess if I were starting

920
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: with quarterback and really a lot of positions. And the

921
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: NFL people keep it pretty simple. They look for traits

922
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: above all else. We're talking cornerbacks. They want a guy

923
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: who can shadow the number one receiver and man coverage.

924
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: We're talking quarterbacks. They want not only arm strength, with

925
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: somebody who can make players on the run and create

926
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: their own shot. You know. Offensive tackles are a lot

927
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: of good tackles out there, like Mitchell Schwortz in Kansas

928
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: City comes to mind. You know, they don't give up

929
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: sacks and pressures. But NFL people like other players better

930
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: because they're more athletic, you know, and you can do

931
00:53:58,480 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: more with them. If you have a guy like that,

932
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: it's like scheme transcendence out of speak and you can

933
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: It gives the rest of your team more flexibility. It

934
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: makes everybody else better, and so that's kind of what

935
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: they focus on. I know you had Tredavious White on

936
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 1: the cornerback list. He was ranked third behind Stefan Gilmour

937
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 1: and Jalen Ramsey. I found that some of the assessments

938
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 1: by you know, some of the people you spoke to

939
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: to be interesting. I thought the assessment of Jalen Ramsey

940
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: is maybe a little bit more of a freelancer was

941
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: spot on. Did you get a sense from just the

942
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: feedback you got on corners as to whether there's a

943
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: preference because there are some coaches in the league that

944
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: like a guy that's going to take a chance and

945
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: freelance a little bit to make a big play, and

946
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: then there are other more control freak type coaches that

947
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 1: want their corners playing to the letter of the scheme.

948
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,240
Speaker 1: And so I'm just curious if you if you found

949
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: any kind of dichotomy there, or if there was one

950
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: kind of preference that was more favorable than another. Yeah,

951
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: I think it depends on the scheme you're in, right,

952
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: I mean, like looked at Buffalo for instance. You know

953
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: they probably don't want a guy freelancing all that often.

954
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 1: You know, they're all about discipline and you know, quarters

955
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: coverage and you do your job and do it well,

956
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:13,919
Speaker 1: and so I think it depends on where you are.

957
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 1: But you know, Baltimore comes to mind because with Marcus Peters,

958
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: he's at his best when he's guessing, because he's gonna

959
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: get burned, somebody's gonna embarrass some quarterbacks as well. He's

960
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: gonna pick the ball off every other game, and so

961
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: that you know, people like that about Marcus Peters. But

962
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: he also has Marlon Humphrey, who many consider a top

963
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: five cornerback, so he's got a little cushion there, And

964
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: so it really depends on like the setup you're in

965
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: and who's around you. You know, if you don't have

966
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: a lot of good cornerback players around, you might not

967
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: have the chance to freelance as much because you have

968
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: to just keep the guy in front of you. Now,

969
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: you mentioned the traits the teams look for, and they

970
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: must be and this is why we must get such

971
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: widely varying opinions about guys, is that they look for

972
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: different traits. You know, you get guys like Steph Gilmour

973
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: New England. You get Alon Ramsey in for the Rams

974
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: uh and Tredavious White, and then you go down Duny

975
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: Sleigh and you know Marshawn Latimore. These guys are all

976
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: different kind of players and they play in different defensive systems.

977
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: So teams like Buffalo may look for different traits. Then

978
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: say the La Rams do or you know, the Detroit

979
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: Lions do. Is that accurate? Yeah? It is, And that's

980
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: why I try to kind of simplify the list too.

981
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: Who's the best player right now the position? And it

982
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: gets really tricky with cornerback because these guys like Richard Sherman,

983
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: you know, who is a great player, Hall of Famer,

984
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: and he had a huge year. You know, statistically, analytically,

985
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: pro football focus arts here. You're a lot of NFL

986
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,879
Speaker 1: people just you know, for lack of a better terms,

987
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: don't think he's great. You know, they just you get

988
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: to bail out coverage and zone coverage and they look

989
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: at that and say, Okay, you're not out there shadowing

990
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: the top guy. You can't run a lot of man

991
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:56,720
Speaker 1: coverage even though you're a great tackler, tough, physical, long arm, smart,

992
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: you know. So he was a tough evaluation. He had

993
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 1: a lot of guys like that. Casey Hare comes to mind,

994
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: was led a similar players, similar system, and so you know,

995
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: it can be tricky and that that cornerback was easily

996
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: one of the most difficult positions to evaluate. You know,

997
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: my tenth spot you had Byron Jones and Miami who's

998
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: going to be in the AFC East. It just has

999
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: all the traits in the world for man coverage, and

1000
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: that's why he ended up tenth. But he had a

1001
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: guy like Jahre Alexander and Green Bay to push that

1002
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: spot because he's just, you know, really tough and physical

1003
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: and can do a lot of different things at corner,

1004
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: but he's undersized, so it's just variance. There was really

1005
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: difficult moving over to the safety spot. I know the

1006
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: Bills Micahi made the list at ten, and I don't

1007
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: know if if you got some of this feedback as well, Jeremy,

1008
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: but just in the people that I've spoken to the

1009
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: last couple of years in the league about Buffalo's safety tandem,

1010
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: it almost seems as if they they knock each of each,

1011
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: both Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer on their own individual merit,

1012
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: because they believe that as a tandem they are better together.

1013
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: Do you think that's something that can hurt someone like

1014
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: Micah Hyde when when someone's evaluating him individually, maybe a

1015
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: little bit. You know, Micah Hyde, probably it helps him

1016
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: portfolio wise because he played in Green Bay quite well

1017
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: and then had the big season in twenty seventeen as

1018
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: far as picking up passes and getting past breakup, so

1019
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: he's got some street credit and I think that's partly

1020
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: why teams throw against him. You know, he was a

1021
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: tough evaluation because he was tied with Jimmy Ward in

1022
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: San Francisco for that ten spot. Jimmy Wards is probably

1023
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: a smoother athlete, has more cornerback skills. But Mike is

1024
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: such a good football player and so smart. You know,

1025
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: you're just talking to other people on the league. They're saying, well,

1026
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, you can put him on a tight end,

1027
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: you can put him on a third or fourth receiver.

1028
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: You know he can blitz, he can tackle, and you

1029
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: know he team. You know, he might have had like

1030
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: the pass break off this year, but that's in part

1031
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: because you know, Buffalo's system helps because they limit big plays,

1032
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: but also because people weren't really testing him all that much,

1033
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: you know, because he's a good player and he's always

1034
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: in the right position. So Empoyer, you know, I don't

1035
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: wonder if the Bills don't think he had a better season,

1036
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: you know than high bit, just really physical guy. Tone

1037
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: Cetter made a lot of slash plays. So together they

1038
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: are very good. But they are also good players separately

1039
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: as well. But you know, the system does help them

1040
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: certainly because they have a lot of good players around him.

1041
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: I mean, Tremaine Edmunds is probably pound for pound, Buffalo's

1042
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: best player in my mind. Us not just talking to

1043
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: people about this list, because they feel like he's gonna

1044
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: be number one on the linebacker lists pretty soon. I mean,

1045
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: he's just such a freak that you just you know,

1046
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: he has too many things you can't teach. And that's

1047
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: one of the things I was going to ask you

1048
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: about next. You go down the list of usual suspects

1049
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: for the best players or the team. Are the players

1050
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: that other teams look at Buffalo and they jump off

1051
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: the page. You go to the defensive side of the

1052
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: ball first, and it starts with Tremaine Edmonds. In He's

1053
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: he doesn't look and is not built like a prototypical

1054
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: inside linebacker that everybody thinks about, you know, the big,

1055
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: stocky guy. He's more of a power forward build guy.

1056
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: But his athleticism and his reach in length really changed

1057
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: the equation for him on defense. Yeah, for sure, I

1058
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: think with him, if he improves his pass coverage, he's

1059
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: gonna be right there. You know, he's gonna be probably

1060
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Speaker 1: top three next year. It just has you know, I

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Speaker 1: think talking to coaches, some coaches might not put him

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Speaker 1: as high because you know, they they see some of

1063
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: the mistakes, you know, because he's such a young guy,

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Speaker 1: so they might take a safer pick. But you know,

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01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: he was a guy that wasn't on all the top

1066
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Speaker 1: ten ballots. Of every ballot he was on, he was

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Speaker 1: between three and six. So if you like him, you

1068
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: like him a lot, you know, because you just you

1069
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: see so many traits. You're thinking, well, you know, he

1070
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: can't mess this up. He's too talented, and so Buffalo

1071
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: will give him even more, you know, on his plate

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Speaker 1: this year, and you know, if you can improve his

1073
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: pass every everything else, you know, the sideline of sideline stuff,

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01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: Jason thinks down. Um, you know, occasionally he'll miss like

1075
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: a run fit, but I mean he's you know, he's

1076
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: going to be right there, Jeremy. Um, I know you

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Speaker 1: also had an honorable mentions list with this series that

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Speaker 1: you put together, and I saw that Stefan Diggs and

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Speaker 1: Dean Dawkins were on there. Yeah, you know, Dawkins is

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Speaker 1: in a contract year. Diggs is obviously going to have

1081
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 1: a chip on his shoulder this year in a new place.

1082
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: Are are you anticipating or do you believe those guys

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Speaker 1: at least have a chance maybe next year to crack

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Speaker 1: that top ten list at their respective positions. Yeah, I do,

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Speaker 1: I certainly do. I mean Diggs was really close. He was.

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Speaker 1: He was the eleventh receiver for sure, so he was

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Speaker 1: the first honorable mention. He was right there with Chris Godwin,

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Speaker 1: Amari Cooper. They just got a couple more boats than

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01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: he did. But you know it with Diggs, if you

1090
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Speaker 1: like him, you love him because you know, they say

1091
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: he's just such a dog, such a gamer. He can

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Speaker 1: be a number one. He showed it last year. The

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01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: only issue with him is just the outburst. You know,

1094
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: is he gonna be drown his helmet by the third quarter.

1095
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: So that's you know, Buffalo has a lot to manage

1096
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: their personality wise. But you know, I think he got

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01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: what he wanted, which is to be a top guy.

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01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: You know, he wanted to be a SoCal point. He

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01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: will be that. They will move them around all over

1100
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: the field, us him in a ton of different ways.

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01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: And you know he's I mean, if he doesn't get

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01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: one hundred catches, it's probably a disappointment. Um. You know,

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01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: with the other guy, Dokins, a couple like Execs that

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01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: I trust to watch a ton of film, brought him

1105
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: up kind of unprompted, and so that that caught my eye.

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01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: I think he's just he's a trades guy. You know,

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01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: good feet, um, you know, good ability, athleticism, you know,

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01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: maybe a little undersize, but he's you know, he's kind

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Speaker 1: of sneaking good. That's assistency. Seems to be an issue

1110
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Speaker 1: with some of the voters who brought him up, but

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01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: they do like him a great deal. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's sort of a blank canvas to work with, so

1113
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:52,919
Speaker 1: to speak with him because he's only going to get better.

1114
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Speaker 1: We're talking with ESPN's Jeremy Fowler. Jeremy that we're getting

1115
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: down to the point where we might get a chance

1116
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: to watch all these guys play at some point unless

1117
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: they opt out. What can you tell us about the

1118
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: latest back and forth between who might opt out, how

1119
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: many guys your gut feeling, your gut tells you will

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Speaker 1: opt out, or what will happen if they do? And

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01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: just how when this thing gets rolling, what's it gonna

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01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: look like. Well, I know the players feel pretty good

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Speaker 1: about winning some of the victories in these discussions, one

1124
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: of which would be the opt out claus where you know,

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01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: they're offering a tiered approach where you can get paid

1126
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: if you're at risk and want to sit out the

1127
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: families at risk and you sit out because of that,

1128
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: but you can at least get a crude season. I

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01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: think they're gonna win some of those battles, but that's

1130
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Speaker 1: one of like twenty battles that they're trying to win,

1131
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: and they're certainly not gonna win all of them, you know.

1132
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: I think some of the bigger picture issues, like money,

1133
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: how to split up the sound and wait a little bit,

1134
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: if they can settle on daily testing versus testing every

1135
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: other day, and settle on a number of preseason games

1136
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,439
Speaker 1: some of the bigger ticket items in the short term,

1137
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: then and you know, try to get on the train

1138
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: again field by next weekend. But you know, I expect

1139
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: the players Union's going to be ready to file a

1140
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 1: grievance here soon, because you know, you've got the Chiefs

1141
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: and the Texans trying to get their guys there for Monday,

1142
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: getting the rookies and quarterbacks to report, and so the

1143
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: league's like, welly are the players unions like, We're not

1144
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: ready for that. You know, we're grieved anything. So it

1145
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: could get a little ugly here, But there is a

1146
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: artificial deadline, which is why I think you'll see something

1147
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: done next week. I don't expect it to be today,

1148
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: but early to mid next week, I think we'll have

1149
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 1: serious clarity and and then just with some of these

1150
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: sticking points that are still on the table, do you

1151
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: think it. I mean, we've seen the NFL in the

1152
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: players union take it right up until the deadline before

1153
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: and everything gets settled. Are you kind of thinking that

1154
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: it turns out the same way here or do you

1155
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: really think there might just be too much ground to cover? No?

1156
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: I do you know. They've been an exchanging proposals, so

1157
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 1: I think they'll be able to meet in the middle somewhere. Um,

1158
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: it's just it's going to be tight. But I before

1159
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,439
Speaker 1: they hit the field, you know, so sometime next week

1160
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: they'll be in better shape, you know. Um, But it's

1161
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: it's because some things can wait and they know it,

1162
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, and the money is one of those. Um,

1163
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: not that they want to wait on it, but uh,

1164
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, they want to get the two or three

1165
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: things that are sort of non negotiables right that have

1166
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 1: to be done, the testing in the games, and they'll

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Speaker 1: do that pretty soon. And when the owners meet today

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01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: over a conference call or zoom meeting, however they're going

1169
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: to do it. What do you think their agenda is?

1170
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: Going to be first and foremost. I'm sorry you're talking

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Speaker 1: about the owners. Yeah, the owners or the Yeah, it's

1172
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: just the owners called. The owners are scheduled to meet today, Um,

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01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: and they're trying to, you know, put a plan in

1174
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: place to start and what are they what do you

1175
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: think the update's going to look like? And what are

1176
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: they going to be informed about? And what are their Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's their agenda for their meeting today? Well, they'll they'll

1178
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 1: be informed on what the player's biggest issues are. Some

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01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 1: some people, some owners on the call are on the

1180
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: management council, so they've been doing directly with the players

1181
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: so they can brief the rest of the owners of

1182
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 1: the situation. Yeah, there's a letter. Their voices be heard. Um.

1183
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure that the revenue part will be a sticking

1184
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: point in that conversation because that's what owners care about,

1185
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: their bottom line, and so that's going to be discussed. You.

1186
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 1: I have some people around the league they don't think

1187
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of resolution from that cold today.

1188
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 1: They think it's gonna be more of a review and

1189
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 1: then you know how to attack another counter proposal if

1190
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: they have to make one. What's your gut feeling on

1191
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 1: what this season it is gonna look like. Are they

1192
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: going to get through sixteen games even if there's no

1193
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: preseason games? What does your gut tell you about the

1194
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: probability of a full NFL season even no matter what

1195
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: it looks like. Well, I think we need to see

1196
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: what the musing most ball does. If they have success,

1197
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: the NFL is going to have more assurances. I think,

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01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: you know, and stated, it's just so hard to pinpoint.

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01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 1: I think they're going to play, but I think they'll

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01:06:57,880 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: get the camp and then what if you have just

1201
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 1: a weird output of positive tests, or what if you

1202
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: have somebody who gets critically ill, Let's can shut things down,

1203
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, And that's the issue. So we can't really

1204
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: account for those things yet, you know. But I think

1205
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 1: and they can control the testing. They're gonna get positive tests.

1206
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: But if they if it's not outrageous and they keep

1207
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: everything reasonable, and you know, they get on the field,

1208
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 1: and you know, I think I think it will go smoothly.

1209
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: Everybody's goal is just to get sixteen games on television. Really,

1210
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that sounds like a little harsh, but

1211
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 1: that's sort of the reality because then everybody can can

1212
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: keep their livelihood and be paid. Jeremy, thanks for being

1213
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 1: on with us. Appreciate you taking some time. Hey anytime, guys,

1214
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Speaker 1: thanks again, appreciate thank you. Jeremy, follower ESP and Steve Tasker,

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Speaker 1: Chris Brown. Here till three o'clock. This is Buffalo Bills

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Speaker 1: Radio coming up. But we've got Steve Palozolo from Pro

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Speaker 1: Football Focus coming on as well. Lots more in this show.

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Speaker 1: Stick with us. We're here till three. This is Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Bills Radio presented by Kalidahill. Welcome well back on one

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Speaker 1: Bills Live. Gear up for episode one, Everybody Captain Circle.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be presented by Lobat Blue Light. There's

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Speaker 1: three episodes and there the first one is going to

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Speaker 1: feature Jack Keel and Josh Allen's going to be available

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Speaker 1: to watch on the Sabers and Bills YouTube channels and

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Speaker 1: Facebook pages July nineteenth at seven pm. Make sure you

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Speaker 1: tune in so you can cheers to the Captains. Also

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Speaker 1: today we're thankful for j. J Rito who's producing the

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Speaker 1: show today. Thanks JJ, awesome to see you. The reason

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Speaker 1: for that is that Jay Jen Adeline Thomas Harris. Jay,

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Speaker 1: of course, our producer usually they have welcomed another little

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Speaker 1: Harris into the community, Lillian Myra Rose Harris, born at

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Speaker 1: ten thirty this morning. Congratulations to the Harris family. We're

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Speaker 1: all excited for him, and everybody seems to be is

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Speaker 1: just a minute ago. We're doing great, so we're very

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Speaker 1: happy for It's crazy because you know, when we're all

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Speaker 1: here working from home, Steve include Jay, Yeah, and you

1237
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 1: know you can see, you know, the family goings on

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01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 1: in the background, and you know, the poor guy's got

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01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 1: a wife who was nine months pregnant, and you know,

1240
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: drop of a hat he would have to go. So

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01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: he kind of had some overlap this week because JJ

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01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:22,759
Speaker 1: was kind of on in the on deck circle Monday,

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01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 1: Tuesday and Wednesday. Yeah, and then stuff started going down

1244
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 1: yesterday afternoon. It's so funny because you know, we all

1245
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: know how you gotta f you're working from home. We're

1246
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: all adjusting to this. And Jay, you know, sitting there

1247
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 1: and his living room floor, sitting on an exercise ball,

1248
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 1: looking into the skype thing at us. You know, daughter

1249
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 1: is climbing up his baddie, his daughter, Adeline Addie is

1250
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 1: bouncing all She'll come over and grab his ear muff

1251
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: and lift it up and say something to him, you know,

1252
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: trying to get out of bad She's whacking him with

1253
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: a stuffed rabbit or something and he's he'll pull off

1254
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 1: and yack at her. And of course his lovely wife, Jen,

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01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 1: who is has been imminent for a month. She's walking

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01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 1: around behind trying to get stuff done, and she's got

1257
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: her own job. She's working from home. And you know,

1258
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Speaker 1: today the culmination of it with the arrival of Jillian,

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01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 1: I mean, all of us were just seeing a far

1260
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 1: a far clearer picture of what we all deal with

1261
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 1: on the home flow, but now we're doing it while working. Oh,

1262
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,719
Speaker 1: the drama. It was amazing. It was hilarious at times

1263
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 1: and at times it was you know, even Jay was

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01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 1: cringing soide out the basement. Congratulations of the Harris family.

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Speaker 1: Lillian Myra Rose, that's mama and baby are doing fine

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Speaker 1: and everybody's happy to do it. Jay, We've got a

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Speaker 1: lot going on here today as well. This, you know,

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Speaker 1: so much going on. But there was a call today.

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Speaker 1: Ram's offensive tackle Andrew Whitwith, who was for more than

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Speaker 1: a decade with the Cincinnati Bengals. He's a stalwart NFL player.

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Speaker 1: He's a left tackle and a right tackle. He's joined

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Speaker 1: the a of NFLPA call all this morning, and he

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Speaker 1: related a story to the guys on the call this

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Speaker 1: morning about what happened to him a family member who

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Speaker 1: went out to lunch with a friend. That friend contracted

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Speaker 1: coronavirus and soon after, Whitworth, his wife, his kids, his

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Speaker 1: wife's mother, his dad, his wife's dad, they all caught it.

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Speaker 1: He goes all because this one person went out to

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Speaker 1: lunch with a friend who subsequently came down with it.

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Speaker 1: And he's his point was listening, guys, we get inside

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Speaker 1: the building, all it takes is one guy and everybody's

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Speaker 1: going down, and it is extremely contagious for him and

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Speaker 1: his family. Yeah, and all of that was being reported

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Speaker 1: by ESPN Stan Graziano, who had insider knowledge of, you know,

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Speaker 1: some of the content of the players Union call today,

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Speaker 1: and you know, Whitworth was obviously trying to provide an

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Speaker 1: example of how quickly this stuff can spread. We know

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Speaker 1: that there are differing opinions out there just how dangerous

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Speaker 1: this virus is and how quickly it can spread. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there are some people out there who firmly believe it's

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Speaker 1: a host. I don't know who those people are I'm

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Speaker 1: not wearing my tinfoil hat today, but but it's out there.

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Speaker 1: Those opinions exist. That's that's just a fact. So I

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01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: think wisely, the players Union is trying to make sure

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Speaker 1: that all of its players, knowing they're probably only eleven

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Speaker 1: to twelve days away from reporting to camping, in their entirety,

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Speaker 1: that you do have to be vigilant and protecting yourself

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Speaker 1: and in protecting your teammates, and to not assume that

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Speaker 1: some friend that you might meet for lunch on a

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Speaker 1: patio somewhere might be asymptomatic. You can all see the

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Speaker 1: problem too, because these guys are you know, they're making

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01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: a ton of cash playing this game. They all want

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01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 1: to come back and play football. The league wants them

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Speaker 1: to come back and play football. They want to start

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01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: cash and game checks and all of that. But by

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01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 1: the same token, they got every right to say, listen,

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01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 1: how's this gonna look. They want some concrete answers to

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01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: how likely it is, how safe they can feel, how

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Speaker 1: how confident the teams are that they can pull this

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Speaker 1: off the league is. They want some concrete information. I

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Speaker 1: think everybody can understand that, and the simple fact of

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Speaker 1: the matter is we all know there is not much

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Speaker 1: concrete information to be had well, because this is uncharted

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Speaker 1: water here. I mean it is we have this road before.

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Speaker 1: That's right, and it's so right, So how much can

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Speaker 1: you control? You know? I think we all believe that

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Speaker 1: someone is inevitably going to test positive. The question is

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Speaker 1: what happens after that? And that's the answer that no

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Speaker 1: one really has right now, because it's going to be

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Speaker 1: completely dependent on how well the spread is mitigated controlled

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Speaker 1: the practices and protocols that are enacted after that first

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Speaker 1: positive tests happens to see how much you can tamp

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Speaker 1: it down and keep it from becoming an outbreak. And

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Speaker 1: that's not just and that's not the only information the

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Speaker 1: players are asking for. It's what happens if no deal

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Speaker 1: is struck on the economics of this thing, where you know,

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Speaker 1: this is another part of it. We're geting the protocols

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01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 1: and the going in and getting the bubble started or

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01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 1: whatever kind of quasi bubble they're talking about. The protected environment.

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Speaker 1: There's also a project, and this was reported by Tom Paulicero,

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01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 1: a projected multi billion dollars revenue shortfall in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna would be accounted for in twenty one. Now,

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Speaker 1: if no deal is struck, the CBA just stays in

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Speaker 1: effect and they go unless they do an addendum about,

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01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 1: you know, mitigating what happens this year, everything clicks over

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Speaker 1: into twenty twenty one, and the salary cap could drop

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01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: by fifty to seventy million dollars per club. Right now,

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01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 1: that's a that's a problem, but it's a more it's

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01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 1: a more urgent problem for the owners than it is

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Speaker 1: for the players. Right now, the players just want safety

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01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 1: and have assurances that they're somewhat protected and insulated from

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Speaker 1: an outbreak of the virus when they report to camp

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01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 1: in twelve days. The owners are already thinking about losses

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Speaker 1: this year at the end of this fiscal year and

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01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 1: about how that impacts twenty twenty one, and the players

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01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: are like, well, hold on a second, Well we'll get

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01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: to that, but how about you just worry about us

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01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 1: being safe a training camp first and playing games. Now

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Speaker 1: here's the and here's the long term deal of And

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Speaker 1: we talked about this a little bit, Browning, and I

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01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: want to get your take on this as well. Say so,

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Speaker 1: the salary cap drops by seventy million, that means you're

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01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: down to like one hundred and ten hundred and twenty

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Speaker 1: million dollar cap next year. Let's say it's one hundred

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Speaker 1: and twenty million dollar cap next year. The problem with

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Speaker 1: this is that such is obvious. You've got to get

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01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: your guys underneath that salary cap after playing with a

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01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 1: salary cap that was one hundred and ninety million, one

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01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty eight million dollars at this time this year,

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Speaker 1: which all of these guys, maybe some guys that are

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Speaker 1: near and dear to you, maybe superstar players, maybe great,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to decide who you're gonna kick to

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01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 1: the curb or make free agents. You're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: or you're gonna have to restructure every deal on your books.

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Speaker 1: And that's why the league and the ownership feels compelled

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Speaker 1: to get that addressed and ironed out. I I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to pretend to be some kind of litigation expert

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Speaker 1: or collective bargaining attorney, but this is this is a

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Speaker 1: year unlike any other, and I think they're the attorneys

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Speaker 1: on both sides are really going to have to try

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Speaker 1: to come up with a way to add amendments for

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty season. Only and perhaps twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: depending on how the money is going to be a

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Speaker 1: portion or appropriated, not only this year but next year,

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Speaker 1: and say, look, this is the Pandemic Amendment, and this

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Speaker 1: is what we're doing, and let's see if we can

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Speaker 1: agree on it so that we're not paying a punitive

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Speaker 1: cost in twenty twenty one. That's going to cost a

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Speaker 1: lot of the members of your union jobs, right, And

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Speaker 1: and that's why I've always thought the owners in this

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Speaker 1: I get that they're going to take a bath this year.

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Speaker 1: I think we kind of figure that if they can

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Speaker 1: just get the games on TV, they can the bath

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01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 1: won't be so wet, right, it can survive. But if

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Speaker 1: they can get through the next twelve months or fifteen months,

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Speaker 1: then it gets to a point where next year twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one, their overhead is going to drop by seventy

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01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 1: million and the revenue should be back in line with

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Speaker 1: what they were. And that's seventy million that comes off

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Speaker 1: the cap. Fisher goes right into their bottom line in

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01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one because they don't they're not gonna pay

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Speaker 1: it to players. It's not in the salary cap. They

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01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,680
Speaker 1: can't overspend the salary cap, so that money goes right

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Speaker 1: back into their bottom line. So next year could be

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01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 1: a boom for the owners if they can get there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but that's a giant financial hurdle that's going to take

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Speaker 1: a lot of negotiating to clear, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: they want. I don't think the union, and quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of NFL clubs want a

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Speaker 1: scorched earth scenario with the salary cap in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: So I do believe that both sides will find some

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Speaker 1: common ground there to make it happen. I just think

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Speaker 1: it's going to take some time, and so I think

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Speaker 1: that's part of the reason why the Union says, Look,

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Speaker 1: let's deal with the most pressing issues right now, which

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01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:56,839
Speaker 1: are keeping players safe at training camp as best as possible,

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Speaker 1: how to handle positive tests and prevent outbreaks, and just

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Speaker 1: get us to regular season games where thirty two NFL

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Speaker 1: clubs can still feel teams. Let's worry about that now,

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01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 1: and then once we're up and running and we're functioning

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01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: as a league, albeit with some differences in light of

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01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 1: the situation, then let's get our attorneys working on how

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Speaker 1: to square away all of these financial shortfalls that are

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Speaker 1: coming our way with no fans in the stands, loss

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Speaker 1: of sponsorship, revenue and the like. Steve, Steve Tasker, Chris

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01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 1: Brown here until three o'clock. We've got a Friday mail

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01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 1: bag going on. We're starting to get some response. We

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01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 1: put it out on Twitter. I'll tell you now over

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01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:47,720
Speaker 1: the air. If you have a question for us, you

1420
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 1: can tweet at us at one Bills Live, or you

1421
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 1: can give us a call at eight with three five fifty.

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01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 1: The Friday mail bag is out there if you want

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01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:57,560
Speaker 1: to use it. What should the league do about the

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01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 1: Washington Redskins and the mess that they find them themselves in?

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01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 1: And at the top of the hour, Steve Palozolo of

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus coming on. Steve Tasker and Chris Brown

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Speaker 1: here on One Bills Live, presented by Collide to Health.

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Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's reading Welcome back to one goes

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Speaker 1: Glide to Keep Chapter. Chris Brown here till three o'clock.

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Speaker 1: Friday Mailbag time, Brownie. We've got a couple of inquiries,

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Speaker 1: one from Ray Prelowitz who says, if there are no

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Speaker 1: preseason games, how are fringe players going to be able

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Speaker 1: to make the rosters? And what size will the rosters

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Speaker 1: be to accommodate possible six players being sidelined? Those are

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01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:36,639
Speaker 1: two good questions. I wish I knew the answers too well.

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Speaker 1: Ray may have answered his first question with his second one,

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Speaker 1: because the way that fringe players are gonna make rosters

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Speaker 1: is rosters could very well be a whole lot larger

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Speaker 1: than they've been in recent years, because, as Steve and

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01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 1: I have discussed on this show more than once, we

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01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 1: know that there are going to be players who test

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Speaker 1: positive and that's going to take them out of the

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01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: out of the loop as far as availability is concerned,

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01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 1: for at the very least five days and in some

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01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 1: cases ten days. So you already know a player is

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01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:12,879
Speaker 1: probably missing a week and a half alone, and suddenly

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01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 1: you have two or three guys test positive at a

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01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 1: position you got to call up the reserves, bring in

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01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 1: the cavalry. I will say this though, it's probably two

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01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: games max, because if he if gets you know, if

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01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 1: you get tested after a game and you test positive,

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01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 1: you got ten days, which will be you know, ten

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Speaker 1: days from that. That means the Saturday following, or actually

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01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 1: it'll be probably the Thursday or Friday's following that positive test.

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01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 1: If you go without symptoms and all the protocols and

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01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 1: all that, but if you get tested and you're positive

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01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 1: right before the game, that it's going to be two games,

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01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 1: the one tomorrow and the one week from tomorrow. Well,

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01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 1: and not only that, Steve, as we learned in the

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Speaker 1: case of von Miller, it took him the better part

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Speaker 1: of a month before he was before his lung capacity

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01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 1: was back in game shape. Because let's not let's not

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01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 1: forget this is a respiratory illness that affects your lung

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01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 1: capacity and function. And some guys are gonna have a

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01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 1: tougher time with that corotavirus than others. They're all gonna

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Speaker 1: be different, right, There's not. It's not like everybody's gonna

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Speaker 1: be up to this guy's out for seventeen days after

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Speaker 1: he after he tests negative, after testing positive, and this

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01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 1: other guy's gonna be back like twenty four hours later.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be back in the building looking good. What chaos?

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Speaker 1: I mean chaos, But he's mean Ray is right. From

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Speaker 1: this standpoint, there is going to be especially if there's

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Speaker 1: no preseason games, and there's a very good chance that

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Speaker 1: that happens. Yeah, you got fringe guys that make rosters

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Speaker 1: because of what they do in the last preseason game.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about guys forty nine, fifty fifty one,

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01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 1: fifty two in fifty three. Sometimes what they do in

1478
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 1: that final preseason game pushes them onto a fifty three

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01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 1: man roster. It's the difference between practice squad and a

1480
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,679
Speaker 1: fifty three man roster. And you say, well, what's the difference.

1481
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 1: A whole lot of money. Yeah, a lot of money

1482
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:16,680
Speaker 1: and a lot of and a lot of reps in

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01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 1: practice and a lot of experience that goes into it

1484
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 1: during the year and during Saturday or Monday through Saturday

1485
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 1: in the regular season. Also in the mail back, Dean

1486
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 1: Kendig says, what three players on offense have the most

1487
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 1: to lose if there's no preseason games to quote unquote

1488
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 1: show their stuff. And I can tell you right now

1489
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 1: who it's gonna be. Offensively. It's gonna be Zach Moss,

1490
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 1: Gabriel Davis, and probably Jake from the quarterback is the

1491
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 1: top three draft picks. I mean, I think those guys

1492
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 1: are Gonnay're gonna make every effort to keep Zach Moss in,

1493
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 1: Gabriel Davis, but Jake From, Isaiah Hodgins too. Iaiah Hodgins

1494
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 1: has got all those guys are gonna struggle. And I'll

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01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:56,680
Speaker 1: tell you another one too, Tyler Bass the kicker. You

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01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 1: want to see him in a game. I don't care

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01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:01,799
Speaker 1: if he can do it in shorts on a practice

1498
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 1: field when nobody's watching anywhere much situations as possible. So

1499
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 1: those they're all going to be compromised by this. But

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01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:12,560
Speaker 1: aj Epenez is not going anywhere, Zach Moss is not

1501
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 1: going anywhere. They don't they'd line up tomorrow with those

1502
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: guys if they could, you know. Uh, now, Gabriel Davis

1503
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 1: at wide receiver and Isaiah Hodges at wide receiver. They'd

1504
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 1: like to see those guys. And Jake From is an

1505
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 1: afterthought anyway. At quarterback. I mean they brought him because

1506
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 1: he was a value. It wasn't like they needed a

1507
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 1: quarterback in the room. Um, and he's not going to

1508
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 1: get a chance to do anything. He hasn't executed the

1509
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:39,760
Speaker 1: scheme on the field at all. Yeah, I'm talking to

1510
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 1: snap maybe outside of you know what they did in

1511
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 1: South Florida when they ran stuff out of the playbook. Uh,

1512
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 1: that's it. So so I don't think you have to worry.

1513
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 1: And for for Dean's question, what three players on offense

1514
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 1: have the most to lose, I don't think it's, you know,

1515
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 1: Zach Moss or Gabriel Davis, but I do think it's

1516
01:24:57,920 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 1: you start at Jake from and you go to Jake

1517
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:04,719
Speaker 1: and Isaiah Hodgins and those two guys and probably the kicker,

1518
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 1: Tyler Basson and plus all those rookie free agents that

1519
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 1: you've got, like Trey Adams, you know, Brandon Walton and

1520
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 1: Tony Williams. Yeah, all these guys. These are names that

1521
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:19,679
Speaker 1: people aren't really you know, off the top of the heads,

1522
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 1: but you know. And the only thing that and the

1523
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 1: only thing that could change that is the second part

1524
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 1: of our first mail bag person Ray when he was

1525
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 1: saying what size will rosters be to accommodaty possible six

1526
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: players being sidelined. And we've talked to a number of

1527
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: NFL insiders through the course of the week on the show,

1528
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 1: and the number that we're hearing more often than not

1529
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 1: is that the practice squad will be bumped up to

1530
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 1: sixteen players. It's currently at twelve under the new CBA.

1531
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 1: It used to be ten, and a long time before

1532
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:53,880
Speaker 1: that it was seven, So you get up to sixteen.

1533
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 1: You know, now you're talking sixty nine players in your

1534
01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:01,640
Speaker 1: locker room, and that affords you little more leeway to

1535
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:04,679
Speaker 1: plug holes in the event of positive tests. I know, Steve,

1536
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 1: you're of the opinion that it might take even more

1537
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 1: than that. I think that's a pipe dream. Yeah, I mean,

1538
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 1: he's gotta be up around eighty, don't you. I would think.

1539
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 1: I think it would be my thought. Every guy you

1540
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 1: bring to training camp, you can keep them for the

1541
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 1: whole year, don't make any cuts and leave it and

1542
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 1: each team can bring in as many as they want.

1543
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 1: Um the salary cap, you got to keep the fifty

1544
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 1: three guys on the field under the captuys on the roster.

1545
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 1: But all those other guys are just on the back

1546
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 1: burner and they're making whatever practice squad players make or whatever.

1547
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 1: You you know, you got your fifty three man roster,

1548
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 1: and everybody else makes what they're supposed to make, as

1549
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 1: maybe you have you have practice squad one and then

1550
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 1: reserve squad two, and maybe there's a different salary structor

1551
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 1: for reserve squad two, right right, And here's the thing,

1552
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 1: because you know, here's the in the big picture, the

1553
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 1: owners are say they're going, all right, we're gonna get

1554
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 1: nicked for at least fifteen percent of our total thing,

1555
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 1: which is the people in the stands. We'll probably make

1556
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 1: maybe about as much money in merchandise and all that,

1557
01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 1: and the TV money is gonna come through for us

1558
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:16,640
Speaker 1: because we're gonna put these games on no matter what. Now,

1559
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 1: we're also gonna lose all our local broadcasting rights because

1560
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 1: we're not gonna have any preseason games. So there's a

1561
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 1: little chunk off the bottom line too. So let's say

1562
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 1: we're working with only seventy or let's say eighty percent

1563
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,799
Speaker 1: of the total revenue that we're getting. It's gonna cost

1564
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:37,959
Speaker 1: us way more than usual to get that eighty percent

1565
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:40,559
Speaker 1: of the total revenues back. Because we got to spend

1566
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 1: so much money to make sure that sixteen game regular

1567
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 1: season happens. We may as well play, you know, twenty

1568
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:50,559
Speaker 1: five games for what it's costing us. You know, it's

1569
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to pay so much overhead with extra players,

1570
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 1: extra travel, with testing, with the protocols, with all the

1571
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 1: stuff that goes on. They're gonna lose so much money

1572
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,439
Speaker 1: just trying to get these games on that it's gonna

1573
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 1: cost them more this season, and with obviously only eighty

1574
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 1: percent of the revenues in this hypothetical situation scenario. I'm

1575
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 1: just trying to make a point here. So it the

1576
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 1: losses are going to be vast for these owners. So

1577
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 1: they're trying to cut costs and get this product on

1578
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 1: the field in any way, shape or form by hook

1579
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:30,920
Speaker 1: or crook, and it's bearing down in the process, and

1580
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 1: they're trying to get this agreed to by the players.

1581
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:36,080
Speaker 1: I mean it is. It is a sprint to the

1582
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 1: finish here, Brownie. You know, with these phone calls and

1583
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 1: meetings and everything that's going on. Yeah, I just I

1584
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 1: just think the time they have a lotted to them,

1585
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get it all figured out. So deal

1586
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 1: with the most pressing issues first and then figure the

1587
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 1: rest out later. Steve Tasker, Chris Brown Here till three o'clock.

1588
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 1: We are in with Steve Palozzolo of Pro Football Focus

1589
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 1: coming up after the breaks. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio

1590
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 1: presented by Kalida Health, and this is One Deals Live,

1591
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 1: Oh A Great Time Old by Steve Taskers dos dost

1592
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 1: All Time. Welcome back to one of Bill's Live Steve

1593
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 1: Tasker Chris Brown here untill three o'clock. We have a

1594
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 1: lot going on to Washington Redskins scandal that is happening.

1595
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 1: We have the NFLPA NFL lead meetings and negotiations that

1596
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 1: are ongoing towards the start of the season that is

1597
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 1: bearing down upon us. And we also have a lot

1598
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 1: of lists and rankings coming out about the upcoming season,

1599
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 1: led led of course by Pro Football Focus. And we'll

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01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 1: please be joined by lead analyst Steve Palazzolo, Steve, Steve

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01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 1: Tasker and Chris Brown up here in Buffalo Hope all

1602
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,120
Speaker 1: as well. We ask you the same We've gotta ask

1603
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:57,760
Speaker 1: you the same question we ask all our guests. How

1604
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 1: are you doing during the pandemic? Is your family safe? Well, yeah,

1605
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 1: we're doing well. Just added a four childs to the

1606
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 1: mix last week, so we got four boys running around

1607
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:11,880
Speaker 1: the house and all's well over here. Wow, you can

1608
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 1: get that's great. Our producer Jay Harris just had a

1609
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:18,679
Speaker 1: baby daughter this morning, so look at us, we're all prolific.

1610
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:24,120
Speaker 1: Here we go. Congratulation Steve, that's great, that's great to hear.

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01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 1: What Let's talk about you you've been doing. Going down

1612
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 1: the list of teams and I guess you guys, and

1613
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 1: for both of us out there who are listeners who

1614
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:38,080
Speaker 1: aren't as familiar with it pro Football focus, you guys

1615
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 1: are film junkies. You break it down and you do

1616
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 1: it every which way. You try and do get the

1617
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:46,720
Speaker 1: justice out of what the film shows you, with no

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01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 1: holds barred and without you know, a dispassionate evaluation. Give us.

1619
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,160
Speaker 1: You did a rundown of the Buffalo Bills, and certainly

1620
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 1: there's a lot to like. Um, what's your take overall

1621
01:30:56,280 --> 01:31:00,200
Speaker 1: in the Buffalo Bills and what they're doing? Yeah, I think,

1622
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:03,760
Speaker 1: And I like the way you described the justice right,

1623
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:06,840
Speaker 1: like what's the Yeah. I always say, we try to

1624
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,639
Speaker 1: find the truth in every play. You know, what made

1625
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 1: a play good, bad, or or indifferent in as signed

1626
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 1: credit or blame across the spectrum of players. So I

1627
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 1: think when you look at the Bills roster, obviously the

1628
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:21,760
Speaker 1: addition of Stepon Diggs and what they had at wide

1629
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 1: receiver gives them a nice group of receivers. I think

1630
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:27,680
Speaker 1: you add that to the tight end group, I think

1631
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:30,479
Speaker 1: they're going to be solid offensively, really good offensively. Actually,

1632
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:32,719
Speaker 1: keep this from a playmaker standpoint, I think the offensive

1633
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 1: line it's kind of in that middle t year. And

1634
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:38,240
Speaker 1: then you know, I think that's just a good situation

1635
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 1: for Josh Allen. You know, solid running backs who can

1636
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:43,599
Speaker 1: make guys miss. So I think it's a good situation

1637
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:46,240
Speaker 1: on offense that will depend quite a bit on Allen. Well,

1638
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:48,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll touch on in a minute. And then defensively,

1639
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 1: I just think you've got three years of evidence that

1640
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 1: you know, they know how to scheme it up in Buffalo,

1641
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 1: they're doing a great job of just kind of making

1642
01:31:57,320 --> 01:32:00,240
Speaker 1: life difficult on opposing quarterbacks. And then they don't don't

1643
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:03,800
Speaker 1: have the best star power. You know, Todavious White is

1644
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:07,080
Speaker 1: awesome on the back end, but I don't think beyond

1645
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 1: that there are superstars on this defense. But it is

1646
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:13,720
Speaker 1: a great all around unit, solid defensive line that they

1647
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:17,599
Speaker 1: added some pieces too, versatile linebackers, and again that secondary

1648
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:20,200
Speaker 1: that just played that their scheme just extremely well. So

1649
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:23,519
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the better rosters in the NFL. So, Steve,

1650
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:28,560
Speaker 1: I know it's purely a projection because everybody believes that

1651
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:32,360
Speaker 1: Josh Allen has the capabilities to improve, especially with the

1652
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:36,719
Speaker 1: additional talent around him now, chiefly in digs, and maybe

1653
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:40,160
Speaker 1: to a certain extent, Zach Moss, who's widely expected to

1654
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 1: be complimenting Devin Singletary in the backfield. You know, we

1655
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:47,800
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to talk to Josh a couple of

1656
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:50,760
Speaker 1: times on zoom calls this offseason, and you know, he

1657
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:53,760
Speaker 1: referenced the workouts that he organized in South Florida with

1658
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 1: all of his skill position teammates on the offensive side

1659
01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:59,320
Speaker 1: of the ball, and he was talking about how it's

1660
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:02,960
Speaker 1: the best he has ever thrown and talking about keeping

1661
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 1: his hip closed so he's more accurate on his release point,

1662
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:10,439
Speaker 1: and he really feels like his throwing mechanics are in

1663
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:12,719
Speaker 1: a very good place. Obviously, the proofs in the pudding,

1664
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:15,360
Speaker 1: and sometimes when you're under pressure, you fall back on

1665
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:19,479
Speaker 1: bad habits. But where do you sit in terms of

1666
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:23,720
Speaker 1: what you believe Josh Allen's capable of in terms of

1667
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 1: advancing his game in light of all that's happened with

1668
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:30,679
Speaker 1: this roster this offseason. Yeah, it's it's a good question,

1669
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:33,560
Speaker 1: And like all that information I think is useful to

1670
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 1: kind of take in, and what I try to do

1671
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 1: is separate. You know, I'm a I'm a former pro

1672
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 1: athlete myself. I played baseball for eight years, and it

1673
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 1: took me many years to really refine micro in motion

1674
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 1: as six ten. You know, it's tough. It kind of

1675
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:48,720
Speaker 1: took some time. It took me till probably a year

1676
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:50,880
Speaker 1: four or five, so I really figured it out. But

1677
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:53,519
Speaker 1: I try to separate the former athlete in me with

1678
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:57,320
Speaker 1: also what the data says historically. You know, so we

1679
01:33:57,439 --> 01:33:59,200
Speaker 1: have many years of data that, hey, Josh Allen's a

1680
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:04,560
Speaker 1: below average quarterback from an accuracy standpoint, So can he improve? Absolutely,

1681
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:07,800
Speaker 1: It's just a challenge year to year. So it sounds

1682
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 1: like he's doing all the right things. I think. When

1683
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:12,120
Speaker 1: the thing that I'm most encouraged about when I look

1684
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 1: at the two nineteen season for Alan was how efficient

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01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 1: he was on passes up to twenty yards, the throws

1686
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:21,639
Speaker 1: that make up you know, seventy five of your throws.

1687
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:25,559
Speaker 1: He was. He was much more efficient, decent decision making

1688
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:27,760
Speaker 1: a little bit more accurate. Helped out a lot by

1689
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:30,320
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley on the underneath stuff. So that was great.

1690
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 1: The downfield stuff needs a ton of work. We saw

1691
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:34,599
Speaker 1: that last year he was by far our worst lowest

1692
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:37,800
Speaker 1: created passer on twenty plus yards throws. It kind of

1693
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:39,880
Speaker 1: mitigates the fact that he has a cannon for an on.

1694
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,519
Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter if you're missing receivers. But I

1695
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:45,640
Speaker 1: do think adding Stefon Diggs will give him more opportunities,

1696
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:47,960
Speaker 1: bigger windows to throw too, and even if you're a

1697
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 1: little off, if a guy's open, you know he's got

1698
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 1: a better chance to catch it. So I think when

1699
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:53,840
Speaker 1: he added all up, Alan doesn't even have to take

1700
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:57,880
Speaker 1: a massive step forward to take a big step forward statistically,

1701
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 1: and I think that's ultimately the goal for the passing offense.

1702
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:03,599
Speaker 1: You want to have an efficient passing offense, and because

1703
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:06,720
Speaker 1: of the playmakers, because of this well rounded receiving corps,

1704
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:09,960
Speaker 1: I think they have the opportunity to do that and Steve.

1705
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 1: That brings us to the sixty four dollar question. There's

1706
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 1: no question that the coaching staff and Brandon being in

1707
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 1: the front office have done everything they could to put

1708
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 1: in some more pieces around Josh Allen. Where do you

1709
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 1: think if there is a weakness in the surrounding cast

1710
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:28,640
Speaker 1: for Jock around surrounding cast for Josh Allen, where do

1711
01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:32,479
Speaker 1: you think it would be? Yeah, So I think I

1712
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:35,200
Speaker 1: think probably tight end. And I know Dawson Knox showed

1713
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 1: showed some good stuff down the stretch, and he's athletic

1714
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:39,680
Speaker 1: and everything. But I don't, I don't. I don't think

1715
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:41,680
Speaker 1: you're looking at the tight end position and saying, man,

1716
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:43,360
Speaker 1: that's a strength for the Bill. I think. You know,

1717
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:46,160
Speaker 1: Tyler Croft is a solid run blocker, as is Lee Smith.

1718
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:49,679
Speaker 1: You know they'll do some things from a run game perspective,

1719
01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:52,240
Speaker 1: but I think from a past game perspective, you could

1720
01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:55,720
Speaker 1: probably probably uh, you know, stands to improve a tight

1721
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:58,880
Speaker 1: end unless Dawson Knox does take that next step. And

1722
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 1: then I think from a receiving standpoint, you don't necessarily

1723
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 1: need a big receiver with size, but it isn't nice

1724
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 1: to have. And I think beyond those first three John

1725
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 1: Browns upon Digs Cole Beasley, they're a little bit You

1726
01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:12,120
Speaker 1: just don't have that six three or six foot four

1727
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 1: monster just ready to emerge. But I do think overall,

1728
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:18,479
Speaker 1: the receiving corps well rounded, the tight end position can

1729
01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 1: be solid. And again, the running backs of Devin Singletarry

1730
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 1: and Zach Moss coming out in the third round, both

1731
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:25,680
Speaker 1: of those guys were as good as it gets in

1732
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,400
Speaker 1: our numbers as far as being college players who just

1733
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:30,040
Speaker 1: made guys miss and we saw that a little bit

1734
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 1: with Singletarry last year. I expect similar things from Moss.

1735
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 1: So again, I love the supporting cast. The other potential weakness,

1736
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, Singletary or Moths or t J. Yelden, none

1737
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:42,400
Speaker 1: of those guys are They're not really running backs. You're

1738
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:45,400
Speaker 1: gonna move around and create massive mismatches as far as

1739
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:47,080
Speaker 1: the pass game goes. They catch the ball well out

1740
01:36:47,080 --> 01:36:48,519
Speaker 1: of the backfield, but they're not going to line up

1741
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:51,200
Speaker 1: in the slot or out wide a ton. So again,

1742
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:54,080
Speaker 1: if you're nitpicking, I think it would be that mismatch

1743
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:56,640
Speaker 1: running back in mismatch tight ends to be honest, that

1744
01:36:56,760 --> 01:37:00,639
Speaker 1: would that would really complete the supporting cast. As much

1745
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:04,599
Speaker 1: as everybody talks has talked about Stefan Diggs, and that's

1746
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 1: totally understandable. It was a noteworthy trade and the role

1747
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:11,840
Speaker 1: that he'll have here. Not many people have talked about

1748
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:14,360
Speaker 1: how this now impacts John Brown. I mean, John Brown

1749
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 1: was a default number one here last year and had

1750
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:20,880
Speaker 1: a career season in terms of receiving yardage over a

1751
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:25,040
Speaker 1: thousand yards and was a consistent point producer as well.

1752
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:29,040
Speaker 1: How do you see John Brown's role morphing and changing

1753
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 1: now with Diggs the unquestioned number one. Yeah, I just

1754
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:36,439
Speaker 1: think you have you know Brown with his four three

1755
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:39,519
Speaker 1: four speed, the ability to put him on vertical routes

1756
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 1: a little bit more. He did his best work at

1757
01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:43,680
Speaker 1: the intermediate level that like what we call the ten

1758
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:46,519
Speaker 1: to nineteen yard level. He's been one of the better

1759
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:49,559
Speaker 1: receivers in the league there over the last couple of years.

1760
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:52,640
Speaker 1: But he could actually use that speed a little bit

1761
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:54,720
Speaker 1: more down the field and create again more of those

1762
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:57,599
Speaker 1: open targets. Diggs is also again excellent down the field,

1763
01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:59,879
Speaker 1: but an outstanding route runner at the short and intermediate

1764
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:02,639
Speaker 1: level as well. So I think it just takes pressure

1765
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:07,120
Speaker 1: off of the entire offense having Diggs, letting Brown work

1766
01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:09,320
Speaker 1: a little bit more vertically, and again having Cole Beasley,

1767
01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:11,400
Speaker 1: I'm the underneath stuff. I'm a big fan of having

1768
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:15,280
Speaker 1: well rounded receiving cores as far as where guys get

1769
01:38:15,320 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 1: open and just having guys that do get open, I

1770
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:21,360
Speaker 1: think is the most important thing. And I think we're

1771
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:23,840
Speaker 1: on the airline with Steve Palazzolo, lead analyst for Pro

1772
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:27,960
Speaker 1: Football Focus, how much could you mentioned the two young

1773
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 1: running backs? And we've all heard the old adage that

1774
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 1: a quarterback's best friend is a really good running game?

1775
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 1: How good does the running game of Buffalo have to

1776
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 1: be to carry the day and take the ball out

1777
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:46,000
Speaker 1: of Josh hands Josh Allen's hands enough so that his

1778
01:38:46,479 --> 01:38:48,240
Speaker 1: whatever problem is, even if he does only take a

1779
01:38:48,280 --> 01:38:50,200
Speaker 1: small step forward or stay stagnant where he was a

1780
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:52,360
Speaker 1: year ago, that that would be good enough to take

1781
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:54,240
Speaker 1: the Bills to another level. How much better would the

1782
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:56,479
Speaker 1: running game have to be? And could it get there

1783
01:38:57,040 --> 01:39:00,000
Speaker 1: with Devin Singletary and Zach Moss rather than Devin Singletary

1784
01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:03,600
Speaker 1: in Frank Gore over a year ago. Well, yeah, I

1785
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:06,000
Speaker 1: mean just comparing Moss to Gore. You know, I love

1786
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:07,720
Speaker 1: the fact that Gore is still playing and all that,

1787
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:09,760
Speaker 1: but you know, I think Moss when I look at

1788
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:11,400
Speaker 1: running backs, I look at what they do above and

1789
01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 1: beyond they're blocking their offensive line, and Moss is certainly

1790
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:17,240
Speaker 1: that guy that could add a lot more than what

1791
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:18,920
Speaker 1: Frank Gore was able to do at this point in

1792
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:21,120
Speaker 1: his career. And see, I think I look at the

1793
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:23,880
Speaker 1: running game as not half of the offense, but maybe

1794
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:25,680
Speaker 1: like a quarter of the offense. You know, I look

1795
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:27,840
Speaker 1: at teams if you want to have balance on offense.

1796
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:30,520
Speaker 1: You have to be able to throw short, throw intermediate,

1797
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 1: and throw deep and also run the ball, you know.

1798
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 1: So that's how I view the running game, and I

1799
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:39,000
Speaker 1: think you just want to maximize that piece, you know,

1800
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:40,439
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think you want to rely too

1801
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:42,439
Speaker 1: heavily on it, because then you start to get into

1802
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:44,760
Speaker 1: games where you're just not going to put up enough

1803
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:47,280
Speaker 1: points and it puts too much pressure on your defense

1804
01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:49,479
Speaker 1: to be awesome. Again, so I think the running game

1805
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:52,120
Speaker 1: just needs to be there when it's available. And I

1806
01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:55,040
Speaker 1: think if if the Bills do have success with the

1807
01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:57,040
Speaker 1: past game, it will open things up in the run

1808
01:39:57,120 --> 01:40:00,240
Speaker 1: a little bit. They can spread the ball around, read

1809
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 1: the field with their three wide receivers, create more opportunities

1810
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:06,519
Speaker 1: for Singletary and Moss, and I do think it will

1811
01:40:06,520 --> 01:40:08,879
Speaker 1: be efficient then you you know, you as you sprinkle

1812
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:13,000
Speaker 1: in Josh Allen and his rushing ability just enough. And again,

1813
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:15,520
Speaker 1: I just think that makes the Build a very difficult

1814
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:17,720
Speaker 1: team to defend. And I think that's the name of

1815
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 1: the game in the NFL. When a defensive coordinator sits

1816
01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:23,160
Speaker 1: down to game plan against the Build and he says,

1817
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:26,320
Speaker 1: i've got three receivers to cover, I have an athletic

1818
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 1: tight end. I have two running backs that need to tackle.

1819
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:31,280
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, Josh Allen is tight end

1820
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:34,160
Speaker 1: size with a cannon for an arm, and he's difficult

1821
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:35,640
Speaker 1: to defend as well. I think that's the name of

1822
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:38,360
Speaker 1: the game, and I think I've certainly upgraded the running

1823
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:40,960
Speaker 1: back position to make that a little bit more effective

1824
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 1: to them. We were Steve and I the other day.

1825
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:48,280
Speaker 1: We're talking about the effectiveness of Buffalo's pass rush, and

1826
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:51,960
Speaker 1: I know they were up from fifteenth in sack percentage

1827
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:56,160
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen up to tenth this past year, but

1828
01:40:56,360 --> 01:40:59,840
Speaker 1: still it seemed as though their pass rush was a

1829
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:03,920
Speaker 1: effective in hurrying throws and getting hits, but finishing plays

1830
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:07,360
Speaker 1: by getting the quarterback on the ground was still elusive

1831
01:41:07,400 --> 01:41:11,479
Speaker 1: at times. They added Mario Addison, as I'm sure you know,

1832
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:15,640
Speaker 1: and a host of interior defensive lineman aj Epiness in

1833
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:18,799
Speaker 1: the draft. Do you feel like there is a defensive

1834
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:25,320
Speaker 1: lineman among the contingent that gives them real potential to

1835
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:30,080
Speaker 1: raise the pass rush even beyond being at the fringe

1836
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:32,759
Speaker 1: of the top ten, maybe even into that elite category

1837
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:36,519
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah. I like what they did as far

1838
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:39,719
Speaker 1: as again this isn't a you know, it's not star power.

1839
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:41,639
Speaker 1: You know, Jerry Hughes has done the top guys since

1840
01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:43,360
Speaker 1: he since he got there. You know, he's been leading

1841
01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:45,760
Speaker 1: the team and pressure since what twenty thirteen or whatever

1842
01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:48,640
Speaker 1: it was. But I do like the I think the

1843
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:52,400
Speaker 1: group effort, adding Addison, adding Epessa, I think you do

1844
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:54,920
Speaker 1: need a step forward from at Oliver. You know, Oliver

1845
01:41:55,120 --> 01:41:58,120
Speaker 1: coming out of college, I know he got Aaron Donald

1846
01:41:58,200 --> 01:42:01,200
Speaker 1: cops just because he's a little underside as in crazy athletic.

1847
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:04,280
Speaker 1: That was very unfair to ever put him in Aaron

1848
01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:07,000
Speaker 1: Donald's league, because Donald is not just a freak athlete,

1849
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:09,519
Speaker 1: he's a free football player. Oliver's not at that point yet.

1850
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:12,240
Speaker 1: I think he was always going to be a developmental

1851
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:14,679
Speaker 1: pass rusher. You know, he was never a great pass

1852
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:17,240
Speaker 1: rusher in college, and he wasn't really used as a

1853
01:42:17,479 --> 01:42:18,880
Speaker 1: as a guy that could get up the field. I

1854
01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:21,919
Speaker 1: think it's going to be at Oliver's developments on the interior.

1855
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:24,479
Speaker 1: And then I'm really intrigued by Epinessa because we had

1856
01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:26,200
Speaker 1: a first round grade on him. He reminds me a

1857
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:28,479
Speaker 1: lot of Trey Flowers, formerly of the Patriots, now with

1858
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:31,400
Speaker 1: the Lions, who is just not a guy that's going

1859
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:34,840
Speaker 1: to allow you on tape from an athleticism standpoint or

1860
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:37,400
Speaker 1: at the combine. But his hands are just so strong,

1861
01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:39,879
Speaker 1: so good. I think he can rush on the interior

1862
01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:42,439
Speaker 1: or on the edge. So I'm looking at Addison solid

1863
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:46,320
Speaker 1: Oliver's development and then add Epinessa and his development, see

1864
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:48,120
Speaker 1: how quickly he could hit the ground running, because I

1865
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:52,800
Speaker 1: think he could move around the defensive formation and be productive. Steve,

1866
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:54,760
Speaker 1: thanks so much for taking some time with us here

1867
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:56,720
Speaker 1: on those live We appreciate and hope to have you

1868
01:42:56,840 --> 01:42:59,080
Speaker 1: on the future. Good luck and stay safe in the pandemic.

1869
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:04,840
Speaker 1: Sounds great. Thanks for having me guys. Thanks Steve. Steve

1870
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:08,000
Speaker 1: Polozolo Pro Football Focused one of their lead analysts. Those

1871
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:10,640
Speaker 1: guys break it down in a dispassionate way into the

1872
01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:12,760
Speaker 1: chagrin of a lot of fan bases because every so

1873
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:15,160
Speaker 1: often they take a swipe at some of our favorite players.

1874
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 1: Of course, Josh Allen gets enough swipes to to keep

1875
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 1: everybody happy, critics and and supporters alike. But Steve and

1876
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:27,120
Speaker 1: Steve Palozolo on is really a kind of a nice thing, Brownie,

1877
01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:30,200
Speaker 1: because on buff Buffalo bills dot Com you wrote this

1878
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:34,920
Speaker 1: article about the five position groups that UH to keep

1879
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:38,920
Speaker 1: an eye on, UH to to watch at at training camp,

1880
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:41,720
Speaker 1: and we kind of went down the list right there

1881
01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:45,760
Speaker 1: with Steve Polozolo and his take was just about, well,

1882
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:49,760
Speaker 1: a lot of like your takes were in the article. Yeah,

1883
01:43:50,040 --> 01:43:52,479
Speaker 1: and you know, you can look at it a whole.

1884
01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:54,800
Speaker 1: First of all, I'm still struck by the fact that

1885
01:43:54,880 --> 01:44:00,240
Speaker 1: he was a former UH profession you know mine met him, right.

1886
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:03,400
Speaker 1: I think he was in the minor leagues. He makes

1887
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:09,400
Speaker 1: Josh Allen look like somebody's little brother. He said, yeah,

1888
01:44:09,439 --> 01:44:13,439
Speaker 1: he's Randy Johnson. Heked like yes, So I'm just picturing

1889
01:44:13,560 --> 01:44:16,320
Speaker 1: that guy throwing at me, going, oh boy, could go

1890
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:19,639
Speaker 1: down on it. But yeah, so he played. He bounced

1891
01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:22,280
Speaker 1: around the miners for a while. I was just looking

1892
01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:25,439
Speaker 1: him up because I didn't I didn't realize that about him. Um.

1893
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:29,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, with respect to you know, positions to watch

1894
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:35,680
Speaker 1: and where we'll see camp battles, I think cornerback is

1895
01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:38,160
Speaker 1: an obvious one, you know, with Josh Norman coming into

1896
01:44:38,200 --> 01:44:40,240
Speaker 1: the phrase, Levi Wallace going to be able to hold

1897
01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:43,920
Speaker 1: off another veteran corner like he did last year with

1898
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:47,280
Speaker 1: Kevin Johnson. Although by the end of the season, Kevin

1899
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:49,519
Speaker 1: Johnson and Levi Wallace were kind of in a platoon

1900
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:54,080
Speaker 1: situation in terms of playing time. Can he hold off

1901
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:56,920
Speaker 1: Josh Norman, who does have familiarity with this game and

1902
01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:00,320
Speaker 1: played some of his best football under Sean McDermott. I

1903
01:45:00,720 --> 01:45:03,960
Speaker 1: don't know. He had two very rough seasons in Washington.

1904
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:08,800
Speaker 1: He's he's a redemption guy, Kenny. Redeem himself and get

1905
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:11,519
Speaker 1: back to form, you know, and play the way he

1906
01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:14,759
Speaker 1: needs to in this scheme. Not to be too snarky

1907
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:16,720
Speaker 1: about it, but everybody has had a couple of bad

1908
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:20,080
Speaker 1: seasons in Washington of late um on off the field,

1909
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:23,920
Speaker 1: so it's true. Uh, There's been a lot of people

1910
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:26,200
Speaker 1: who've watched a lot of film and have high hopes

1911
01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 1: for Josh Norman and what he can do being reunited

1912
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:32,639
Speaker 1: with Sean McDermott in this defensive scheme, particularly with Leslie

1913
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:36,280
Speaker 1: Fraser running it. He could get a little boost here

1914
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:38,680
Speaker 1: at the end of his career Josh Norman and go

1915
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:40,720
Speaker 1: out with a bang instead of a whimper like he

1916
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:44,639
Speaker 1: did in Washington. This system is what is the system

1917
01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:47,360
Speaker 1: and the exact system that made him the best corner

1918
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:49,519
Speaker 1: in all of football. We'll see if he can regain

1919
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:51,320
Speaker 1: some of that magic. There's every reason to believe it's

1920
01:45:51,320 --> 01:45:54,439
Speaker 1: going to help him. But by the same token, you're right,

1921
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:59,040
Speaker 1: it's not an empty playing field there, Levi Wallace. They've

1922
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:00,840
Speaker 1: been trying to replace him a long time. They can't

1923
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:03,760
Speaker 1: get it done. Kevin Johnson, who was a former first

1924
01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:06,439
Speaker 1: round pick, and you talk about Steve Pollos or we

1925
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:09,759
Speaker 1: talked to Jeremy Fowler about guys who ticked off traits

1926
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:12,599
Speaker 1: and what they look like. Kevin Johnson ticked a lot

1927
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:16,439
Speaker 1: of boxes at cornerback and Levi Wallace held him off

1928
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:21,040
Speaker 1: last year. It's not like, you know, Josh Norman is

1929
01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:22,479
Speaker 1: just gonna come in and be done with it. But

1930
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:25,880
Speaker 1: one thing that didn't intrigue me about it, and this is,

1931
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, kind of the culture thing Brownie in the

1932
01:46:28,760 --> 01:46:30,840
Speaker 1: in the UH in the time, and we were going

1933
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:33,640
Speaker 1: through the protests a couple of months ago and m

1934
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:36,200
Speaker 1: and Josh Norman came into town and he was on

1935
01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:39,400
Speaker 1: some some interviews with a lot of media people and

1936
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:40,960
Speaker 1: got a chance to you got a chance to hear

1937
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:42,360
Speaker 1: him and kind of get to know who he was.

1938
01:46:43,080 --> 01:46:45,639
Speaker 1: He's got the right DNA for Sean McDermott in this club.

1939
01:46:46,479 --> 01:46:50,280
Speaker 1: He's a leader, he's well thought out, he's he's articulate,

1940
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:54,360
Speaker 1: and uh uh he's he seems humble where he's at.

1941
01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:57,240
Speaker 1: Of course he wasn't talking much football, but uh he

1942
01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:00,120
Speaker 1: he really was impressive in his time here and off.

1943
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:03,080
Speaker 1: I think that gives him a a leg up and

1944
01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:05,679
Speaker 1: makes the team stronger, even if he's not the exact

1945
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:08,599
Speaker 1: starting guy out there, if he's just on the roster. Yeah,

1946
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:11,880
Speaker 1: And I think some of the cornerback conversation goes a

1947
01:47:11,960 --> 01:47:15,280
Speaker 1: little bit further too, because while Taryn Johnson has been

1948
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:19,439
Speaker 1: the nickel and you know, pound for pound, is a

1949
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:25,439
Speaker 1: pretty aggressive player, he's had trouble staying healthy. And last

1950
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:31,840
Speaker 1: year we saw the defensive staff try to match up

1951
01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:37,639
Speaker 1: proper body types with the opponent's personnel groupings. Like when

1952
01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:40,880
Speaker 1: it was eleven personnel, Terren Johnson was on the field

1953
01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:43,920
Speaker 1: as the nickel corner, but when they went twelve personnel,

1954
01:47:44,439 --> 01:47:46,599
Speaker 1: you know, it was Dean Marlowe and when they went

1955
01:47:46,720 --> 01:47:50,840
Speaker 1: twenty one personnel, it was Saran Neil, And so they

1956
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:53,360
Speaker 1: were trying to mix and match the guys in there

1957
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:55,600
Speaker 1: at Nickel. Do they do that again and do a

1958
01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:59,080
Speaker 1: committee approach. E J. Gaines, who they signed back again

1959
01:47:59,200 --> 01:48:01,760
Speaker 1: this passed off season, is a guy that has experienced

1960
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:04,880
Speaker 1: in the slot. Does he become part of the equation.

1961
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:10,160
Speaker 1: So I think there's some things to siphon out there

1962
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:14,240
Speaker 1: too at that position that's not necessarily as lock stock

1963
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:18,599
Speaker 1: and barrel as some might think. Yeah, it's it's interesting

1964
01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:20,519
Speaker 1: to think about. But I do think there's gonna be

1965
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:23,160
Speaker 1: some interesting things about this defense. I think this defense

1966
01:48:23,280 --> 01:48:25,040
Speaker 1: is gonna play even better than it did a year ago.

1967
01:48:25,080 --> 01:48:27,080
Speaker 1: Now they're gonna play some better offenses than they did

1968
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:29,639
Speaker 1: a year ago. Overall, I would say, but I don't

1969
01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:31,920
Speaker 1: think there's any question that this Bill's defense is going

1970
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:33,920
Speaker 1: to be a handful. I also is interested to think

1971
01:48:34,600 --> 01:48:36,160
Speaker 1: and I get it too. It's a trend in the

1972
01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:39,040
Speaker 1: National Football League. And the reason I don't just say, hey,

1973
01:48:39,080 --> 01:48:41,680
Speaker 1: it's just one guy's opinion is the guys that Pro

1974
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:45,040
Speaker 1: Football Focus formulate their opinions on what they watched league wide.

1975
01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:47,560
Speaker 1: And he said, listen, the running games these days in

1976
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:50,920
Speaker 1: the NFL. Just just give you twenty five percent of

1977
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:53,120
Speaker 1: year off, just a quarter of your offense. You just

1978
01:48:53,240 --> 01:48:55,920
Speaker 1: want it good enough to be respectable, and that he

1979
01:48:56,200 --> 01:48:58,240
Speaker 1: and I think if you're if that's all you're asking

1980
01:48:58,280 --> 01:49:02,439
Speaker 1: of Devin Singletary and Zach Moss and this offensive line

1981
01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:05,800
Speaker 1: is with its depth, I think you've got that. I

1982
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:08,760
Speaker 1: think you've got that. Yeah. I do think though he

1983
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:13,160
Speaker 1: kind of undersold the versatility of Singletary and Moss. I

1984
01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:16,840
Speaker 1: think Moss is underestimated, being a big bodied guy as

1985
01:49:16,920 --> 01:49:20,160
Speaker 1: just a north south runner. I washed about eight of

1986
01:49:20,280 --> 01:49:22,720
Speaker 1: his games from college. He is much more than that.

1987
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:25,519
Speaker 1: I mean he's got some wiggle in the open field,

1988
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:27,720
Speaker 1: he can make a safety miss in a one on

1989
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:31,400
Speaker 1: one situation, he can push the pile, and I think

1990
01:49:31,479 --> 01:49:34,760
Speaker 1: he is very underrated as a pass receiver. So too,

1991
01:49:34,840 --> 01:49:38,360
Speaker 1: I believe is Devin Singletary. You know, Palazzolo said he's

1992
01:49:38,360 --> 01:49:40,679
Speaker 1: not going to be split out all that much. Well,

1993
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:44,200
Speaker 1: I think we have to remember that Singletary was just

1994
01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:46,960
Speaker 1: getting up to speed last season, and even then he

1995
01:49:47,120 --> 01:49:49,880
Speaker 1: was split out wide. You remember the playoff game. I

1996
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:54,240
Speaker 1: mean they had Singletary all over the field. I expect

1997
01:49:54,479 --> 01:49:57,160
Speaker 1: him to take on an expanded role. I think he

1998
01:49:57,280 --> 01:50:00,599
Speaker 1: didn't do anything in the pass catching game to give

1999
01:50:00,680 --> 01:50:04,840
Speaker 1: Briantable the indication that he can't do more there. So

2000
01:50:05,240 --> 01:50:08,320
Speaker 1: it wouldn't surprise me if he's split wide even more

2001
01:50:08,439 --> 01:50:11,519
Speaker 1: in certain instances against certain opponents in given weeks. So

2002
01:50:12,479 --> 01:50:16,240
Speaker 1: I think there's more to Devin Singletary's game than what

2003
01:50:16,439 --> 01:50:19,439
Speaker 1: Palozolo indicated. Yeah, I think so too. I think both

2004
01:50:19,479 --> 01:50:21,280
Speaker 1: those guys have got great things in front of him,

2005
01:50:21,320 --> 01:50:22,840
Speaker 1: and I think this offensive line is going to be

2006
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:25,600
Speaker 1: good enough to give them some space, not only to

2007
01:50:25,640 --> 01:50:28,960
Speaker 1: give them some free yardage, but also let him showcase

2008
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:31,120
Speaker 1: their ability to make guys miss as well. I'm totally

2009
01:50:31,160 --> 01:50:33,519
Speaker 1: with you. Also, one of the other defensive groups that

2010
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:36,640
Speaker 1: you're out to watch for training camp that went right

2011
01:50:36,720 --> 01:50:38,640
Speaker 1: in with what Steve Palozolo was talking about was a

2012
01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:42,599
Speaker 1: defensive lineman Jerry Hughes. Hasn't long been by himself as

2013
01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:45,719
Speaker 1: a pass rush threat, but I think with the depth

2014
01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:48,160
Speaker 1: and the guys we've talked about being backplus with the

2015
01:50:48,240 --> 01:50:50,880
Speaker 1: development of a couple of young guys, most notably Ed Oliver,

2016
01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:54,160
Speaker 1: this could be a group that really takes a step forward,

2017
01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:58,439
Speaker 1: even with the loss of Jordan Phillips and Shack Lawson. Yeah,

2018
01:50:58,439 --> 01:50:59,840
Speaker 1: I would agree with that, and I know we talked

2019
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:02,360
Speaker 1: about this at length yesterday, so I won't I won't

2020
01:51:02,360 --> 01:51:05,080
Speaker 1: sit on it very long, but I just think they

2021
01:51:05,200 --> 01:51:08,720
Speaker 1: have the you know, this was a defensive front that

2022
01:51:09,160 --> 01:51:14,040
Speaker 1: is deployed in waves by Leslie Frasier. Now, I actually

2023
01:51:14,200 --> 01:51:18,960
Speaker 1: think they have the caliber of players to be effective

2024
01:51:19,040 --> 01:51:23,479
Speaker 1: whether it's Wave one or Wave two or reserve wave three.

2025
01:51:24,040 --> 01:51:27,519
Speaker 1: I mean, they've got not only eight guys that can

2026
01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:31,120
Speaker 1: line up, they got eight guys that can play. I mean,

2027
01:51:31,200 --> 01:51:32,840
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be very hard to make

2028
01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:36,479
Speaker 1: this roster, and so I think the drop off when

2029
01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:39,960
Speaker 1: they make those rotations and substitutions is going to be

2030
01:51:40,360 --> 01:51:43,960
Speaker 1: minimal at best. With the caliber of players they've been

2031
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:47,120
Speaker 1: able to add to this roster. You know, this past

2032
01:51:47,160 --> 01:51:50,400
Speaker 1: off season they legitimately go eight or nine deep with

2033
01:51:50,680 --> 01:51:53,160
Speaker 1: quality plates. I think one of the things about it

2034
01:51:53,240 --> 01:51:56,120
Speaker 1: as well is there they really seem good at it

2035
01:51:56,200 --> 01:52:00,280
Speaker 1: with with Sean McDermott and Leslie Frasier and probably Eric

2036
01:52:00,360 --> 01:52:03,880
Speaker 1: Washington in this mix as well. The thing that people

2037
01:52:03,960 --> 01:52:06,880
Speaker 1: don't appreciate too much. I think we started to see

2038
01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:09,000
Speaker 1: it a little bit last year, and we've heard about

2039
01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:13,439
Speaker 1: it in the injury to Harrison Phillips. They spend a

2040
01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:18,439
Speaker 1: lot of time deciding which four guys get comboded with

2041
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:22,800
Speaker 1: which four other three guys yep, those the combinations and

2042
01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:26,040
Speaker 1: the spots those guys play, and whether it's right defensive tackle,

2043
01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:28,840
Speaker 1: left defensive tackle, right end, left end, and which of

2044
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:31,559
Speaker 1: the other players are sprinkled in there with those guys

2045
01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:35,920
Speaker 1: At the same time, A lot of thought and energy

2046
01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:42,320
Speaker 1: goes into making those combinations perfect and that they work

2047
01:52:42,400 --> 01:52:44,720
Speaker 1: well together, that they have either as we call it,

2048
01:52:44,840 --> 01:52:47,640
Speaker 1: a chemistry or a culture or a fit or just

2049
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:53,120
Speaker 1: a skill set that meshes well together. It's it's big time,

2050
01:52:53,200 --> 01:52:55,840
Speaker 1: I think on this coaching staff. I'm really interested to

2051
01:52:55,880 --> 01:52:57,920
Speaker 1: see how that shakes out because there's gonna be a

2052
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:01,920
Speaker 1: lot of new moving arts and new and different contributors

2053
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:05,400
Speaker 1: that I think. There's a couple of spots, this one

2054
01:53:05,439 --> 01:53:07,479
Speaker 1: and the one we'll get to next right, well, we'll

2055
01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:11,439
Speaker 1: probably skip it. But this defensive line combinations and how

2056
01:53:11,479 --> 01:53:13,120
Speaker 1: those are going to shake out is as big a

2057
01:53:13,240 --> 01:53:14,680
Speaker 1: question mark to me is who's going to play on

2058
01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:17,720
Speaker 1: the right side of the offensive longware? Yeah, you know, no,

2059
01:53:18,240 --> 01:53:20,720
Speaker 1: I'm in total agreement with that. I did just see

2060
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:24,479
Speaker 1: something cross here from Tom Pella Sero from NFL Network,

2061
01:53:24,760 --> 01:53:28,759
Speaker 1: The NFLPA executive director Demorris Smith said on a media

2062
01:53:28,840 --> 01:53:32,200
Speaker 1: call that union officials had a call last night with

2063
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:36,840
Speaker 1: team doctors who gave the opinion quote with a couple

2064
01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:41,439
Speaker 1: of reservations, that it is safe to open training camp.

2065
01:53:42,240 --> 01:53:48,439
Speaker 1: So that's that's pretty important. If Demorris Smith is saying

2066
01:53:48,520 --> 01:53:52,360
Speaker 1: that on a media call, union officials get, you know,

2067
01:53:52,680 --> 01:53:55,920
Speaker 1: talking to team doctors. They're saying it's safe to open

2068
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:59,800
Speaker 1: training camp, then we may be in a place where

2069
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:04,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna happen here on time, and they

2070
01:54:04,439 --> 01:54:06,280
Speaker 1: just have to iron out the other details like we

2071
01:54:06,360 --> 01:54:08,320
Speaker 1: were talking about in previous segments, you know, the money

2072
01:54:08,400 --> 01:54:10,519
Speaker 1: and what's going on with that. I think that is

2073
01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:15,799
Speaker 1: the first softening of the language between from either side

2074
01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:18,640
Speaker 1: about how likely it is that they get this thing

2075
01:54:18,720 --> 01:54:20,559
Speaker 1: started in a week or so, when these guys are

2076
01:54:20,600 --> 01:54:22,960
Speaker 1: coming into training camp on Monday and stuff that d

2077
01:54:23,200 --> 01:54:27,599
Speaker 1: Maurice Smith and having them on the call, the Union

2078
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:30,040
Speaker 1: officials with the team doctors, I think that does go

2079
01:54:30,120 --> 01:54:33,920
Speaker 1: a long way, particularly when with giving the players some

2080
01:54:34,040 --> 01:54:37,640
Speaker 1: reassurances as to what's going to be possible and how

2081
01:54:37,720 --> 01:54:39,480
Speaker 1: safe they can feel when they do get back. So

2082
01:54:39,560 --> 01:54:43,560
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's a little significant having

2083
01:54:43,640 --> 01:54:48,480
Speaker 1: d Marie Smiths say that, Yeah, it's it's important, and

2084
01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:51,680
Speaker 1: it's certainly a positive side. If you know training camp

2085
01:54:51,760 --> 01:54:54,200
Speaker 1: and football is what you want. Well, I think that's

2086
01:54:54,200 --> 01:54:57,840
Speaker 1: what they're working for and that they're in. They're just

2087
01:54:58,000 --> 01:55:01,280
Speaker 1: about in the eleventh hour and we'll see how how

2088
01:55:01,360 --> 01:55:04,680
Speaker 1: long it takes them to get everything ironed out. Maybe

2089
01:55:04,720 --> 01:55:06,320
Speaker 1: over the weekend they can get that done. We'll have

2090
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:09,520
Speaker 1: some fun stuff to talk about here on Monday. Steve Tasker,

2091
01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:11,360
Speaker 1: Chris Brown, We're gonna take a break. We'll be here

2092
01:55:11,480 --> 01:55:14,520
Speaker 1: till three o'clock. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio presented by

2093
01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:25,320
Speaker 1: Klyda Health. This is One Bills Live. Welcome back to

2094
01:55:25,400 --> 01:55:27,960
Speaker 1: One Bill's Live. Steve Tasker Chris Brown here. Thanks for

2095
01:55:28,040 --> 01:55:31,520
Speaker 1: Steve Palasolo Pro Football Focus for coming on last half hour.

2096
01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:34,040
Speaker 1: Had a lot to say about the Bills, their roster,

2097
01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:37,200
Speaker 1: and a lot of good things as well. And I

2098
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:39,000
Speaker 1: think at the core of it, Brownie, I think it

2099
01:55:39,280 --> 01:55:42,520
Speaker 1: boiled down to he believes I don't know, he didn't

2100
01:55:42,520 --> 01:55:45,920
Speaker 1: say this, but this team's gonna go as far as

2101
01:55:46,040 --> 01:55:48,960
Speaker 1: Josh Allen develops this next year, They're gonna be good

2102
01:55:49,040 --> 01:55:51,400
Speaker 1: no matter what. But they could be really really good

2103
01:55:51,440 --> 01:55:54,000
Speaker 1: if Josh Allen becomes a fit more efficient in the

2104
01:55:54,040 --> 01:55:57,400
Speaker 1: passing game. Right, And there are a lot of people

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01:55:57,480 --> 01:56:02,839
Speaker 1: that have that sentiments, So it's not anything new, anything

2106
01:56:02,920 --> 01:56:09,880
Speaker 1: we haven't heard, so I'm not surprised by it. It

2107
01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:12,720
Speaker 1: makes sense. We know it's a quarterback driven league. He

2108
01:56:12,840 --> 01:56:15,000
Speaker 1: raises his game, this team's in a lot better shape.

2109
01:56:15,240 --> 01:56:18,000
Speaker 1: Oh sure, all right, let's go to NFL. True false

2110
01:56:18,080 --> 01:56:20,760
Speaker 1: brought to you by Yankees Fancy New York's artist and Cheese.

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01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:25,280
Speaker 1: You're ready, Brownie, true false NFL. Let's do it right? Then,

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01:56:25,440 --> 01:56:27,360
Speaker 1: here we go. If the and this is something I

2113
01:56:27,440 --> 01:56:30,040
Speaker 1: had not even given a thought to, but it's really

2114
01:56:30,120 --> 01:56:34,400
Speaker 1: pretty important. If the NFL season is canceled, they should

2115
01:56:34,440 --> 01:56:36,760
Speaker 1: stick to the twenty twenty draft order for the twenty

2116
01:56:36,800 --> 01:56:39,320
Speaker 1: twenty one draft. What do you do if you have

2117
01:56:39,400 --> 01:56:41,560
Speaker 1: to have another draft before any games have been played

2118
01:56:41,560 --> 01:56:44,320
Speaker 1: to decide how the order should be. Wow, that's yeah,

2119
01:56:44,440 --> 01:56:47,760
Speaker 1: that's that's a tough one. I don't believe it should

2120
01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:53,320
Speaker 1: go based on the year before. I just don't know

2121
01:56:53,600 --> 01:56:56,120
Speaker 1: what the solution would be. I know I don't want

2122
01:56:56,120 --> 01:57:00,680
Speaker 1: to do that, but I'm not really sure what you

2123
01:57:00,800 --> 01:57:04,800
Speaker 1: do do right, So I would just say, I would

2124
01:57:04,800 --> 01:57:09,280
Speaker 1: say false, false. You don't do it that way. And

2125
01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:16,000
Speaker 1: then perhaps you I don't know, maybe you divide the

2126
01:57:16,240 --> 01:57:20,640
Speaker 1: draft order into tiers, like you have the three groups

2127
01:57:20,720 --> 01:57:23,760
Speaker 1: from last year's draft. You know, you have the top tier,

2128
01:57:23,880 --> 01:57:25,720
Speaker 1: you have the middle tier, you have the bottom tier,

2129
01:57:26,360 --> 01:57:29,440
Speaker 1: and then you throw Tier one in a hot If

2130
01:57:29,440 --> 01:57:31,280
Speaker 1: you want to try to make it fair, you leave

2131
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:34,160
Speaker 1: the Tier one people at the top, but you just

2132
01:57:34,240 --> 01:57:36,880
Speaker 1: shuffle the deck and maybe you take the middle tier,

2133
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:40,080
Speaker 1: shuffle the deck, pull a ping pong ball out and

2134
01:57:40,240 --> 01:57:42,560
Speaker 1: do it that way. I don't know. I don't know

2135
01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:44,600
Speaker 1: there's any best way to do it, but I don't

2136
01:57:44,640 --> 01:57:47,760
Speaker 1: want to go right. Maybe you go one through thirty two,

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01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:49,960
Speaker 1: throw all that into a hopper, and then you know

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01:57:49,960 --> 01:57:52,120
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like you say, one, the top

2139
01:57:52,200 --> 01:57:54,480
Speaker 1: pick of the draft gets thirty two golf balls, and

2140
01:57:54,560 --> 01:57:56,240
Speaker 1: the bottom pick of the draft gets one. You throw

2141
01:57:56,280 --> 01:57:58,480
Speaker 1: them all into the hopper, and whoever you pick out

2142
01:57:58,760 --> 01:58:00,600
Speaker 1: and as soon as you pick the rest, you're you know,

2143
01:58:00,760 --> 01:58:03,040
Speaker 1: you don't get picked twice and just because you're still there,

2144
01:58:03,240 --> 01:58:06,000
Speaker 1: but you're still giving a heavy chance to that team

2145
01:58:06,040 --> 01:58:08,160
Speaker 1: that had the number one pick this year I don't

2146
01:58:08,160 --> 01:58:11,440
Speaker 1: know how. Yeah, yeah, I get it, but it'd be

2147
01:58:12,840 --> 01:58:14,920
Speaker 1: but I do not have a solution. Yeah, I think

2148
01:58:14,920 --> 01:58:19,920
Speaker 1: it's um, it's problematic. And here's the thing, and this

2149
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:23,600
Speaker 1: is a little statistic from you know, this Yahoo uh

2150
01:58:23,720 --> 01:58:26,720
Speaker 1: sports article, and it goes like this. The NFL teams

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01:58:26,760 --> 01:58:29,320
Speaker 1: that earned a top five selection for the last four

2152
01:58:29,400 --> 01:58:32,800
Speaker 1: years between twenty and fifteen and twenty nineteen, whether they

2153
01:58:32,880 --> 01:58:36,200
Speaker 1: traded the pick or not, they gained a net average

2154
01:58:36,200 --> 01:58:38,680
Speaker 1: of three and a half victory three point six four

2155
01:58:38,840 --> 01:58:43,360
Speaker 1: victories with ties counted as half a win. They they

2156
01:58:43,440 --> 01:58:46,760
Speaker 1: gained three and a half wins, which resulted in an

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01:58:46,760 --> 01:58:49,640
Speaker 1: average improvement of point two to eight win percentage of

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01:58:49,640 --> 01:58:52,400
Speaker 1: the ensuing season. So over the last four years, the

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01:58:52,400 --> 01:58:55,400
Speaker 1: teams that had a top five selection, they gained, you know,

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01:58:55,520 --> 01:58:59,680
Speaker 1: three and a half wins a year. Um, that's that's

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01:58:59,680 --> 01:59:02,440
Speaker 1: pretty good. But I don't know how yet. I don't

2162
01:59:02,440 --> 01:59:04,040
Speaker 1: know how it applies to the draft order. If you're

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01:59:04,040 --> 01:59:06,720
Speaker 1: gonna do it arbitrarily or if you're just gonna say,

2164
01:59:06,920 --> 01:59:08,760
Speaker 1: here's how we're gonna do it. Over the last four years,

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01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:10,400
Speaker 1: this is what happened, and you're gonna get that, and

2166
01:59:10,440 --> 01:59:12,560
Speaker 1: then we're gonna change the winning percentages and go with

2167
01:59:12,840 --> 01:59:18,560
Speaker 1: and use that as the draft order. How does that work? Nevertheless,

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01:59:18,600 --> 01:59:20,520
Speaker 1: the top five I guess top five picks makes you

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01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:22,440
Speaker 1: a better football team. I'm gonna say false too, So

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01:59:22,480 --> 01:59:25,400
Speaker 1: all right, here we go, NFL true false. Number two.

2171
01:59:25,600 --> 01:59:30,080
Speaker 1: Chase Young, the top pick of the Redskins out of

2172
01:59:30,120 --> 01:59:33,120
Speaker 1: Ohio State. Pass rusher's going to break the rookie sack

2173
01:59:33,200 --> 01:59:37,080
Speaker 1: record of fourteen point five that was set by Javon

2174
01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:41,480
Speaker 1: Curse nineteen ninety nine. And it's been ten years since

2175
01:59:41,480 --> 01:59:45,680
Speaker 1: anybody came close to Alden Smith almost got it in

2176
01:59:45,880 --> 01:59:48,120
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten or nine or ten or something

2177
01:59:48,160 --> 01:59:51,280
Speaker 1: like that. So I don't think there's any debate that

2178
01:59:51,480 --> 01:59:55,920
Speaker 1: Chase Young is a stud, and he still has a

2179
01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:58,760
Speaker 1: veteran that he'll work with in tandem and Ryan Kerrigan.

2180
01:59:59,000 --> 02:00:04,120
Speaker 1: But I oh, and they've also got Montes Sweat too,

2181
02:00:04,520 --> 02:00:06,960
Speaker 1: was their first round pick the year before that, all right,

2182
02:00:07,080 --> 02:00:12,560
Speaker 1: year before last, So there's talent there that will compliment him,

2183
02:00:12,600 --> 02:00:14,560
Speaker 1: so he won't be facing a ton of double teams.

2184
02:00:15,200 --> 02:00:18,680
Speaker 1: My problem is this, I'm not convinced their offense is

2185
02:00:18,720 --> 02:00:21,400
Speaker 1: going to score enough points to put their defense in

2186
02:00:21,480 --> 02:00:25,080
Speaker 1: position to just tee off on opposing passers. So with

2187
02:00:25,280 --> 02:00:30,640
Speaker 1: that in mind, and the fact that schedule wise, Washington

2188
02:00:30,760 --> 02:00:34,920
Speaker 1: has to play not only their own division, the NFC East,

2189
02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:37,680
Speaker 1: but they also have to play the AFC North. So

2190
02:00:37,840 --> 02:00:40,400
Speaker 1: now you're playing Baltimore, who runs the hell out of

2191
02:00:40,400 --> 02:00:42,720
Speaker 1: the ball, so you're not gonna be touching Lamar Jackson.

2192
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:46,040
Speaker 1: They gotta play Pittsburgh and then they got to play

2193
02:00:46,080 --> 02:00:52,520
Speaker 1: the NFC West. Steve, So I mean, it's luck, best

2194
02:00:52,600 --> 02:00:54,600
Speaker 1: of luck with that. I just take your little take

2195
02:00:54,640 --> 02:00:57,360
Speaker 1: your toxic work environment, and go play that schedule. Yeah,

2196
02:00:57,400 --> 02:01:00,600
Speaker 1: I just I just don't see them ahead in a games.

2197
02:01:00,640 --> 02:01:02,640
Speaker 1: And as we know, you know, when your team's ahead

2198
02:01:02,680 --> 02:01:06,160
Speaker 1: on the scoreboard, that's when those sack opportunities present themselves

2199
02:01:06,240 --> 02:01:09,000
Speaker 1: more often for pass rushers. So I just don't think

2200
02:01:09,000 --> 02:01:11,240
Speaker 1: he's gonna be presented with the game situations to get

2201
02:01:11,320 --> 02:01:14,440
Speaker 1: enough opportunities to break that record. So I'll say false. Yeah,

2202
02:01:14,520 --> 02:01:16,560
Speaker 1: he may have to have to get a sack every

2203
02:01:16,600 --> 02:01:18,240
Speaker 1: time he gets a chance to rush the passer. He's

2204
02:01:18,280 --> 02:01:20,720
Speaker 1: not gonna get a chance to do it that that often. Um,

2205
02:01:20,840 --> 02:01:23,200
Speaker 1: and I agree with you. I'm just gonna say false.

2206
02:01:23,280 --> 02:01:25,520
Speaker 1: That's a record that has stood for a long time,

2207
02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:30,200
Speaker 1: and the guy that was that set that record curse

2208
02:01:30,600 --> 02:01:34,200
Speaker 1: was nicknamed the Freak. I'm sure Chase Young is a fine,

2209
02:01:34,840 --> 02:01:38,360
Speaker 1: fine specimen, a specimen of a man. But when your

2210
02:01:38,480 --> 02:01:42,760
Speaker 1: nickname is the Freak, Um, Yeah, you're gonna You're gonna

2211
02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:44,720
Speaker 1: set records and they're gonna be hard to break. So

2212
02:01:44,760 --> 02:01:46,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say false as well. All right, that's two

2213
02:01:46,960 --> 02:01:49,480
Speaker 1: falses for both of us coming up into true NFL

2214
02:01:49,560 --> 02:01:52,320
Speaker 1: true false number three. Here we go. The Titans are

2215
02:01:52,360 --> 02:01:58,000
Speaker 1: set up for failure in twenty twenty. True or false. Yeah,

2216
02:01:58,320 --> 02:02:00,640
Speaker 1: we kind of touched on this yesterday on the show

2217
02:02:00,720 --> 02:02:02,560
Speaker 1: when we were talking about the money they handed out

2218
02:02:02,600 --> 02:02:04,480
Speaker 1: to Derrick Henry and the money they handed out to

2219
02:02:04,600 --> 02:02:08,040
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill, who had his first breakout season out of

2220
02:02:08,160 --> 02:02:11,080
Speaker 1: six or seven with the Titans last year when he

2221
02:02:11,160 --> 02:02:17,760
Speaker 1: took over from Mariota. Right. I mean, you and I

2222
02:02:17,880 --> 02:02:20,080
Speaker 1: have seen the worst of Ryan Tannehill. So it's hard

2223
02:02:20,120 --> 02:02:25,360
Speaker 1: for us to believe that his success from last year

2224
02:02:25,480 --> 02:02:27,800
Speaker 1: is going to continue at the same rate this year

2225
02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:31,160
Speaker 1: or even better, because what he's largely been in his

2226
02:02:31,280 --> 02:02:34,600
Speaker 1: career as a whole hum player now is improved play.

2227
02:02:34,720 --> 02:02:37,080
Speaker 1: Last year and may speak to the player development that

2228
02:02:38,080 --> 02:02:41,480
Speaker 1: Tennessee has as a franchise as opposed to Miami. I

2229
02:02:41,560 --> 02:02:44,560
Speaker 1: don't know. I just think when you're putting all your

2230
02:02:44,600 --> 02:02:47,240
Speaker 1: eggs in one basket at running back with the sizeable

2231
02:02:47,720 --> 02:02:50,360
Speaker 1: money they gave to Derrick Henry, I mean they traded

2232
02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:53,480
Speaker 1: away Jarell Casey, a Pro Bowl defensive tackle, for a

2233
02:02:53,560 --> 02:02:55,960
Speaker 1: seventh round pick to clear enough cap space to sign

2234
02:02:56,040 --> 02:03:00,960
Speaker 1: these two guys. I just think Henry goes down with

2235
02:03:01,040 --> 02:03:06,280
Speaker 1: an injury. I don't. I just don't like them putting

2236
02:03:06,280 --> 02:03:08,160
Speaker 1: all their eggs in one basket of running back. I

2237
02:03:08,320 --> 02:03:10,720
Speaker 1: don't like it. I know Derrick Henry's a phenomenal talent.

2238
02:03:10,760 --> 02:03:14,360
Speaker 1: Did he earn a big payday? Yes? But man, I

2239
02:03:14,560 --> 02:03:17,360
Speaker 1: think this could very easily go the wrong way. I

2240
02:03:17,360 --> 02:03:19,360
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm prepared to say they're set up

2241
02:03:19,400 --> 02:03:22,840
Speaker 1: to fail because Derrick Henry is a super talent, so

2242
02:03:23,120 --> 02:03:26,440
Speaker 1: I will say I will say for now false. But

2243
02:03:26,520 --> 02:03:29,840
Speaker 1: it wouldn't surprise me if they stumble a little bit.

2244
02:03:30,600 --> 02:03:35,880
Speaker 1: Knowing Tannehill has the propensity to stink sometimes, Well, here's

2245
02:03:36,200 --> 02:03:39,040
Speaker 1: and I think they are. I think that's exactly what

2246
02:03:39,200 --> 02:03:41,400
Speaker 1: they are set up for is they are set up

2247
02:03:41,440 --> 02:03:45,120
Speaker 1: to fail. They have paid a quarterback that has had

2248
02:03:45,400 --> 02:03:49,280
Speaker 1: eight game, eight good game, eight great games in his career.

2249
02:03:49,400 --> 02:03:51,920
Speaker 1: They were all strung together last half of last season.

2250
02:03:52,280 --> 02:03:57,040
Speaker 1: They put their money into a running back in Derrick Henry,

2251
02:03:57,040 --> 02:03:59,720
Speaker 1: who was phenomenal last year and maybe phenomenal this year.

2252
02:03:59,800 --> 02:04:04,160
Speaker 1: But usually almost as a rule, when a when a

2253
02:04:04,320 --> 02:04:07,240
Speaker 1: running back signs a deal like that, he's toast the

2254
02:04:07,320 --> 02:04:13,760
Speaker 1: next year. If ted. If if Derrick Henry, um is

2255
02:04:14,120 --> 02:04:20,240
Speaker 1: toast next year. So yeah, so uh that's why I

2256
02:04:20,400 --> 02:04:22,040
Speaker 1: think they are, and they're they're just there's just no

2257
02:04:22,160 --> 02:04:25,280
Speaker 1: coming back from that. So I think contracts, I think

2258
02:04:25,360 --> 02:04:28,480
Speaker 1: it's I go false false true, you go false false

2259
02:04:28,520 --> 02:04:31,680
Speaker 1: false and NFL true false. Brought to you by Yancy's

2260
02:04:31,680 --> 02:04:34,120
Speaker 1: Fancy Steve Tasker Chris Brown coming back with what do

2261
02:04:34,160 --> 02:04:36,680
Speaker 1: we learned? Right after this, This is Buffalo Bills Radio

2262
02:04:36,760 --> 02:04:39,440
Speaker 1: presenter by Kalidah Health and this is one Bill's Life.

2263
02:04:51,120 --> 02:04:52,920
Speaker 1: What are we learned? Brought to you by Skywarks, the

2264
02:04:52,960 --> 02:04:56,000
Speaker 1: official construction equipment rental company of the Buffalo Bills. Or

2265
02:04:56,120 --> 02:04:58,360
Speaker 1: in the program, Brownie gave me the clues to my

2266
02:04:58,800 --> 02:05:02,200
Speaker 1: former teammate task He's teammate the reveal the guy was

2267
02:05:02,240 --> 02:05:05,640
Speaker 1: from Hinkley, Ohio, was a high school wrestler and went

2268
02:05:05,680 --> 02:05:08,640
Speaker 1: to NC State. He was also an outline Award winner

2269
02:05:09,600 --> 02:05:13,880
Speaker 1: for the NC State Gamecocks. And uh it turned out

2270
02:05:13,920 --> 02:05:17,880
Speaker 1: to be Jimmy Richard. Okay, so here's cue number four.

2271
02:05:19,040 --> 02:05:21,960
Speaker 1: I was an eleven year starter for the Bills, and

2272
02:05:22,160 --> 02:05:27,440
Speaker 1: over that span I missed just twelve starts. Oh, I

2273
02:05:27,560 --> 02:05:31,880
Speaker 1: know who that is. That's Jimmy or Richer ding ding

2274
02:05:32,200 --> 02:05:38,400
Speaker 1: ding ding Ding Steve well Day, Ohio. Yeah, yeah, Jimmy Richer.

2275
02:05:39,080 --> 02:05:41,640
Speaker 1: All right, Well, good job. I trust should have known that.

2276
02:05:41,680 --> 02:05:43,920
Speaker 1: I should have gotten that on the wrestler. I forgot it.

2277
02:05:44,120 --> 02:05:46,560
Speaker 1: I forgot about it. He was Yeah, not Finlay, Ohio.

2278
02:05:46,720 --> 02:05:51,920
Speaker 1: He was Hinkley, Hinkley, Ohio. Yeah. Well they on Wikipedia

2279
02:05:51,960 --> 02:05:54,040
Speaker 1: could be wrong, but they're telling me Perea. So I

2280
02:05:54,080 --> 02:05:55,840
Speaker 1: don't know if that's right or not. But we have

2281
02:05:56,040 --> 02:05:59,080
Speaker 1: Jim on the line so he can confirm for us. So, Jim,

2282
02:05:59,200 --> 02:06:02,560
Speaker 1: thanks for joining. Steve, guess you and four clues. Yes,

2283
02:06:02,760 --> 02:06:07,120
Speaker 1: such a good job. That was Jimmy Richard coming on

2284
02:06:07,200 --> 02:06:09,120
Speaker 1: the program today. It took me a minute, but I

2285
02:06:09,160 --> 02:06:11,720
Speaker 1: did get it wasn't indeed Hinckley, Ohio. They asked him

2286
02:06:11,760 --> 02:06:13,480
Speaker 1: where he was born. He said Bria, but that is

2287
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:16,960
Speaker 1: not his hometown. So Wikipedia and all that's got it wrong.

2288
02:06:17,240 --> 02:06:19,800
Speaker 1: We found that out, amongst other things, when Jimmy Richard

2289
02:06:19,840 --> 02:06:22,000
Speaker 1: came on. Also, we had on the program Jeremy Fowler

2290
02:06:22,080 --> 02:06:25,800
Speaker 1: from the NFL on the nfl PA implementing an opt

2291
02:06:25,840 --> 02:06:28,720
Speaker 1: out clause due to COVID nineteen concerns. Here's what the

2292
02:06:28,920 --> 02:06:31,760
Speaker 1: ESPN analysts had to say. I know the players feel

2293
02:06:31,880 --> 02:06:34,720
Speaker 1: pretty good about winning some of the victories in these discussions,

2294
02:06:34,720 --> 02:06:36,400
Speaker 1: one of which would be the opt out clause, where

2295
02:06:37,200 --> 02:06:39,000
Speaker 1: you know, they're offering a tiered approach where he can

2296
02:06:39,080 --> 02:06:41,640
Speaker 1: get paid if you're at risk and want to sit out,

2297
02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:44,440
Speaker 1: he wouldn't de petit. Their families at risk and you

2298
02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:45,920
Speaker 1: sit out because of that, but you con at least

2299
02:06:45,920 --> 02:06:48,000
Speaker 1: get a crude season. I think they're gonna win some

2300
02:06:48,080 --> 02:06:52,520
Speaker 1: of those battles, but that's one of like twenty battles

2301
02:06:52,560 --> 02:06:54,360
Speaker 1: that they're trying to win, and there's certainly not gonna

2302
02:06:54,360 --> 02:06:56,360
Speaker 1: win all of them, you know. I think some of

2303
02:06:56,400 --> 02:06:59,320
Speaker 1: the bigger picture issues like money, how to split up

2304
02:06:59,360 --> 02:07:01,760
Speaker 1: the sound wait a little bit. If they can settle

2305
02:07:01,800 --> 02:07:06,120
Speaker 1: on daily testing versus testing every other day, and settle

2306
02:07:06,160 --> 02:07:07,880
Speaker 1: on a number of preseason games, some of the bigger

2307
02:07:07,880 --> 02:07:11,920
Speaker 1: ticket items in the short term. Then they can, you know,

2308
02:07:12,000 --> 02:07:15,600
Speaker 1: try to get on the train again. Feel by next weekend. Brownie,

2309
02:07:15,680 --> 02:07:18,040
Speaker 1: good week of shows and man, thanks, good job, nice

2310
02:07:18,080 --> 02:07:20,720
Speaker 1: hard work with you. All right, we'll talk to everybody

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