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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I never told you protection of I High Radio, and

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Speaker 1: it is time for another happy hour. Do you know

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Speaker 1: what number happy hour this is, Samantha, I do, not

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Speaker 1: sixty six. No, that's why we're talking about some Star

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Speaker 1: Wars stuff today. Of course. I mean not that I

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Speaker 1: need a reason. It is. We're going to touch on

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Speaker 1: like bigger topics. I promise, I promise this time. But

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Speaker 1: this is the impetus was because of Order sixty six

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Speaker 1: from Star Wars, and I was like, well, now I

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Speaker 1: have to talk about something related to that bagel. Yes,

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Speaker 1: as always, if you're drinking, please do so responsibly. What

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Speaker 1: are you sepping on, Samantha. Um, So I am a

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Speaker 1: little bit under the weather. So with that being said,

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Speaker 1: I was trying to make some tea but my kettle

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Speaker 1: was not going fast enough, so I am drinking bubble water.

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Speaker 1: Bubble water is nice, bubble I was trying to look

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Speaker 1: into some some new flavors just a couple of days ago,

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Speaker 1: so you can do a lot of experimentation with it,

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Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, yeah, I love I love the bubbly flavors. Bubbly, bubbly, bubbly,

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Speaker 1: bubbly again not sponsored, even though I was struggling with

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Speaker 1: the name. Obviously flavor my favorite has become Pineapple is

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Speaker 1: the top, strawberries right underneath that, and then BlackBerry is

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Speaker 1: beloved that. But like then I have I've tried several others,

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Speaker 1: But outside of that, Yeah, I am now drinking pineapple

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Speaker 1: bubbly water that sounds like refreshing. It'll help you out,

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Speaker 1: of water in liquids, so yes, yes, well, I definitely

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Speaker 1: hope you feel better because it's been a long time, Lingers.

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Speaker 1: I am drinking my box shed wine steel because I

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Speaker 1: have yet to really go and buy stuff. I did

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Speaker 1: food and there's no need to go there, but yes,

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Speaker 1: sticking to my box red wine. Okay, So for this

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Speaker 1: I'm afraid to knowing us it could verge into that territory. Okay,

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Speaker 1: don't think we're going to get too in depth with it,

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Speaker 1: feeling like you have to monitor other people's mental states.

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Speaker 1: I know that can be triggering for people. So just

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Speaker 1: of course I had to have one. Order sixty six,

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Speaker 1: of course, is the order that Emperor Palpty issue that

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Speaker 1: but the reason that relates to mental states um an intuition,

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Speaker 1: sixty six, like it's on, damn, it's too stupid to

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Speaker 1: And I think that's that makes sense, especially for people

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Speaker 1: being parrified exactly. You cannot win. And that just really

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Speaker 1: And it is placed on women, but it is also

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Speaker 1: this from a Star Wars point, I wanted to make

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Speaker 1: uh well, so excited. Cheers, cheers. Yes, I hope you

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Speaker 1: feel better soon, Sanantha. You know me too. I'm not

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