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Speaker 1: Yupster World's Most Dangerous Morning Show to Breakfast Club, Charlamagne

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Speaker 1: the God, just Hilarious, DJ Envy is offul. We got

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Speaker 1: two special guests, man, Tony Lewis Junior and Tony Lewis Senior.

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Speaker 2: If you've been paying attention.

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Speaker 1: To their journey, then you know we're about to have

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Speaker 1: a great conversation.

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Speaker 3: How y'all brother's doing man, amazing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, tell them the story that you've been telling for

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Speaker 1: all these years, Tony.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Man, my father went away when I was nine years old,

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Speaker 5: got life without parole, and you know that journey lasted

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Speaker 5: thirty four years through tirelessly fighting for his freedom, you know,

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Speaker 5: coming up here five years ago, you know, doing stuff

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Speaker 5: all across the country, doing stuff in DC, but also

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Speaker 5: utilizing our struggle to help you know, so many other

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Speaker 5: families that was in a similar situation, being inspiration and hope.

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Speaker 5: And then finally, you know, due to so much advocacy,

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Speaker 5: my brother pushing T connected me with Brittany K.

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Speaker 4: Barnett, who I call our Martin Day Harry.

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Speaker 5: You're telling me and her her organization bring a live

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Speaker 5: project shoutow.

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Speaker 4: People like Corey Jacobs also a part of that.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Randa Jones and and eventually that unlocked those gates.

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Speaker 5: And sixty five days ago, my father stepped out of

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Speaker 5: federal prison.

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Speaker 2: Have you have you adjusted yet, my brother?

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Speaker 3: I'm trying, yeah, getting there the technology. That's kind of uh,

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Speaker 3: the whole city's changed. Gentrification or white people having black dcs.

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Speaker 4: Man, I think it needed like context for that though.

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Speaker 5: Really, right, we live in the most gentrified place in America.

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Speaker 5: These are five years yeah, DC, and five years ago

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Speaker 5: when I was up here, I talked a bit about.

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Speaker 4: That, right, but he left in eighteen eighty nine, thirty.

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Speaker 2: Four years ago, so it was really chocolate. It was

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Speaker 2: now blocked.

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Speaker 4: Man, Like our neighborhood.

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Speaker 5: Everything is just really changed a lot. So for him

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Speaker 5: to walk walk into that is that's all. And where

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Speaker 5: is everybody also who were there before? That's the other question.

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Speaker 4: You know, sorry, but you know that just think that's important.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 6: I can definitely tell that he's still like hold up

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Speaker 6: was going on because even when I walked up to

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Speaker 6: him and spoke to me, like, y'all, you might want.

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Speaker 4: To chill out, don't walk about happy like you.

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Speaker 6: Know, but you can give me a hug, and you

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Speaker 6: know he don't even give hugs regularly. He like, no,

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Speaker 6: don't touch too much, and then he put the two

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Speaker 6: fingers on the back.

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Speaker 3: Like a back off. Yeh mean, man, I was telling her,

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Speaker 3: I'm watching it from prison. I know who she was.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that, big fan.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 6: Hell yeah, and you're not from Baltimore, you're right to Baltimore.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what, you know, it's crazy because you know,

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Speaker 5: I think, uh, which, what's beautiful about the DC Baltimore

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Speaker 5: relationship has really grown and it's through people like you think,

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Speaker 5: people like it, and really a lot of it got

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Speaker 5: to do with, like, you know, people in the fairs.

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Speaker 5: You know, he was dudes like Stokey and d Watkins.

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Speaker 4: That's like my absolutely shout out to Stokey, Yes and

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Speaker 4: my guy.

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Speaker 5: So through that kind of work and trying to help

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Speaker 5: out share community, and I think the whole idea of

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Speaker 5: the d m V, which DC people weren't necessarily with

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Speaker 5: that from the beginning, Baltimore people want with that from

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Speaker 5: the beginning with our region even down to the seven

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Speaker 5: five to seven, you know, starting to really show that

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Speaker 5: there's a lot of beautiful things coming out of our area.

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Speaker 1: You know what, I'm saying, let's talk about the story

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Speaker 1: a little bit, man, Tony Tony Senior.

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Speaker 2: You served thirty four years.

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Speaker 1: For your role in one of the largest most notorious

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Speaker 1: crack cocaine crime rings in that region. Like what got

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Speaker 1: you into the game?

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Speaker 3: Poverty? Poverty, single parent household, you know, like the regular

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Speaker 3: not regular, but back in my our whole street was

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Speaker 3: basically that's what it was, at least on my side

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Speaker 3: of the street. Wealfare poverty, drugs, violence, the whole block.

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Speaker 3: That's all you knew. That's all you saw. That was

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Speaker 3: the job. Like you know, like people say about getting

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Speaker 3: a job, that was the job. We knew nothing else.

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Speaker 3: So it was a culture. And h the poverty is

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Speaker 3: what led to me, uh selling drugs and you know,

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Speaker 3: trying to help my family mother, single parents, sisters, brothers, uh, friends,

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Speaker 3: and uh it just grew and she was a culture,

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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And you know that's so

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Speaker 3: that's that's what did.

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Speaker 2: You ever think it was gonna get that big?

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Speaker 1: Because y'all, you know, I always say in the eighties,

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Speaker 1: y'all were like early investors in like a tech company

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Speaker 1: or something, you know what I mean, Like, y'all are the.

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Speaker 2: Ones who really really got it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I never uh, I never set forth in it

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Speaker 3: too to become big or drug I really I was

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Speaker 3: trying to just survive, help my family, eat mom, pay

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Speaker 3: the bills, you know, like gas get cut off from

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Speaker 3: time to time, the wayfaret check ain't last, you know,

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Speaker 3: like it. You know. So that was that's where I

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Speaker 3: got in. And uh and you know, like I said, it.

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Speaker 2: Was a culture.

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Speaker 3: And uh, I always worked hard at whatever I did.

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Speaker 3: So selling drugs that worked. And I came up and

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Speaker 3: I worked hard, and I seen the money and it

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Speaker 3: kept you know, wanted to get more and more, but

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Speaker 3: not to glorify it at all. But back then that

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Speaker 3: was the culture.

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Speaker 2: What's the most you had? At one time, I had a.

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Speaker 3: Few million in cash, and back then that was that

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Speaker 3: was a lot, you know, I know, the lands a

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Speaker 3: little less, but yeah, I got to get a few

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Speaker 3: men in uh in my early twenties. I wound up

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Speaker 3: getting the rested at twenty six, and uh that was it. Yeah, done,

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Speaker 3: that was it until two years of balling a yeah,

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Speaker 3: actually more than because I saw like when I was fourteen,

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Speaker 3: you know, but of course small stuff and you know,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, big stuff came you know later money wise

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Speaker 3: and everything else, but marijuana from the beginning, and you know,

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Speaker 3: stuff like that, you know, small stuff like that. But

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Speaker 3: then I blocked turn from the marijuana to cocaine. Not

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Speaker 3: my making, you know, other other people making. But Ronald

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Speaker 3: Y yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Couple were right there too. You see the dome of

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Speaker 4: the Capitol.

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Speaker 5: We we ten blocks twelve blocks from the Capitol where

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Speaker 5: our street is. You feel what I'm saying, And I

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Speaker 5: think that that's that really is. It's something to that though,

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Speaker 5: to say that, right, you can stand on our block

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Speaker 5: on any corner in DC and the presidential motivated.

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Speaker 4: Might ride by, like in a little sense, that is

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Speaker 4: the backdrop to you know, our store.

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Speaker 5: And I grew up on the sound that same block

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Speaker 5: in a in a more even dailier time because now

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Speaker 5: the queen in the heart of the crack epidemic. You

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Speaker 5: feel I'm saying when I'm coming up in the nineties,

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean? Uh, And we're the murder

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Speaker 5: capital of the United States, and you know, and it's

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Speaker 5: it's just like complete destruction and just desperation, and I'm

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Speaker 5: just so happy that I had him from prison.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy. It was when they got locked up.

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Speaker 5: Man, you know, being nine years old, I'm the only child,

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Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. From the course, stuff is

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Speaker 5: on the news every day. Then they went to they

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Speaker 5: was getting preferential treatment at DC jail. So they go

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Speaker 5: to Quantico Marine Base.

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Speaker 4: Yeah what I'm saying. So you go visit at the

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Speaker 4: sale like we had the marine based M sixteen's and marines.

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Speaker 4: It's not a prison. And I'm that's embttered than my

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Speaker 5: They go shipped out the Long Park, California for the

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Speaker 5: next thirteen years and I'm just sharing that to talk

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Speaker 5: about how that is. And I'm on that block. He

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Speaker 5: three thousand miles away. My mother started to deal with

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Speaker 5: severe mental illness that she still.

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Speaker 4: Battles to this day.

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Speaker 5: So I lost my both my parents in the way

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Speaker 5: that I had them prior and and had to navigate

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Speaker 5: through that which we just described. But I had him

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Speaker 5: on the other and their phone in them letters, you know,

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Speaker 5: every day telling me to like make better choices, you know,

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Speaker 5: doing everything that he could from prison to ensure that

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Speaker 5: I don't you know what I mean, following them same footsteps.

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Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, I'm growing up

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Speaker 5: in the exact same thing. That's why I wake up

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Speaker 5: feeling like the luckiest man alive.

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Speaker 6: And even with all of that, you could have still

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Speaker 6: took another turn. What made you not turn to wreak

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Speaker 6: Saint Patrick with all this? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: For really all, Joseph. Yeah, because where we come from,

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Speaker 4: it ain't nothing else. Just like he it's nothing that

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Speaker 4: all my uncles, all his friends, them people ain't leave

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Speaker 5: They were still around and people people did give me,

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Speaker 5: you know, so much information of like slug. That's where

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Speaker 5: everybody called me slug. Something different, you got something different.

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Speaker 5: I had a strong grandmother, my aunts, you know, and

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Speaker 5: other dudes in the community in general just wanted me

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Speaker 5: to do something different, but nobody could show me how.

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Speaker 4: That's what the problem came. Do something different? But who

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Speaker 4: else felt pressure? So that's what.

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Speaker 4: But I was able to, you know, by the grace

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Speaker 5: But what really save me It wasn't linear like that though.

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Speaker 5: Just what happened was when I was about.

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Speaker 4: Twenty, I still ain't you know what I mean, what

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna do, I don't you know.

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Speaker 5: But I got a job doing Peter pet violence interruption

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Speaker 5: like a job basically the people closest to the problem

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Speaker 5: that could reach their peers.

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean. I fell in love with

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Speaker 4: the work and I save my life.

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Speaker 5: That's what really, you know what I mean put me

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Speaker 5: on this path that I've been on.

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Speaker 4: For the last twenty three years.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying as an activist, aside from

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Speaker 5: you know, getting them out of jail, but being sort

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Speaker 5: of the leading voice, I stayd at the intersection like poverty,

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Speaker 5: massive conservation and gun violence in my city.

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Speaker 1: You know what was the turning point in the like

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Speaker 1: the free Tony Lewis movement, Like when did you start

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Speaker 1: seeing hope?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 5: I always felt like, you know, I was gonna make

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Speaker 5: it happen. But the biggest turning point, all right? Uh?

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Speaker 4: I think when? When? When?

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Speaker 5: When you know, through the years, like people like my brother,

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Speaker 5: while a lot of other guys you know, helping and

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Speaker 5: pushing push.

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Speaker 4: Will push it. But when pushing introduces us to Brittany Barnett, right,

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Speaker 4: we had the other turn.

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Speaker 5: But when we when pushing, it makes that intro and

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Speaker 5: he made the song coming Home with Long Hill. She

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Speaker 5: mentions Pops in that's when her legal prowess and then

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Speaker 5: she connected with a law firm, Aaron Fox Shift in

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Speaker 5: d C to be able to represent him. I felt hopeful,

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Speaker 5: but look the first motion, uh that that that she

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Speaker 1: What was the what was the legislation that actually got

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very very very inactive.

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Speaker 4: But this, mister Biden, is your issue. This is you.

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Speaker 5: You can do by executive order. You do not need

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Speaker 5: he has the clemency power, power to pay right.

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Speaker 4: And we need you to do that. We need you

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Speaker 5: We need you to reunite American families like ours, the

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Speaker 2: On him directly, it's his eighty six mandatory minimum.

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Speaker 4: And it's time to do it.

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Speaker 3: But come on, man, thirty one, pardon the commutation thirty one.

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Speaker 3: You got thousands of people languishing under these hard sentences

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Speaker 5: Right, So it's not like it's how to get out

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Speaker 5: Even in the free Tony Lewis movement. I never said

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Speaker 4: I never was like he should have never went to jail,

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Speaker 3: I should have went to President, I should have went

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Speaker 4: But I work in that.

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Speaker 5: I deal with guys who don't have a meet, who

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Speaker 1: Like now, mister Lewis Senior, how did you feel watching

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Speaker 3: I was like, man, I'll give him your name, but

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Speaker 3: uh life goud you know, especially for us and now

444
00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,239
Speaker 3: coming up in the same hood and the black community. Uh,

445
00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,440
Speaker 3: but just so much inspiration. I'm so proud of him

446
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,200
Speaker 3: at the top of it off with getting his day free,

447
00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:50,479
Speaker 3: because he didn't help me get a lot of other

448
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,080
Speaker 3: people free. And I was like, yeah, you know, because

449
00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,600
Speaker 3: a lot of things that he tried to uh, legislation

450
00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,240
Speaker 3: he tried to get changed or in acted. We was

451
00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,040
Speaker 3: always looking at it thinking it was gonna help us,

452
00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:07,120
Speaker 3: Like drug minus two Uh.

453
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, Uh that was the first thing we say we

454
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,560
Speaker 5: got denied. I mean the drugs minus two things something

455
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:12,760
Speaker 5: very you know.

456
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,760
Speaker 3: We was only it was the legislation that well, the

457
00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 3: Senates Commission has u and nact me saying that all

458
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,879
Speaker 3: drugs you could get you was under the two point reduction,

459
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,159
Speaker 3: no matter what the drugs was or what the mount was.

460
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,680
Speaker 4: And uh to com back to the eighty six mandatory meal.

461
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,840
Speaker 3: Yeah something so yeah, and everybody's benefits. So we put

462
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 3: our most in it and said oh you was fighting

463
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,399
Speaker 3: for that son and dad should get it. Put the

464
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:43,960
Speaker 3: motion in judge, get it denied deny how oh you

465
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,760
Speaker 3: had too much crack cocaine? Too much? Y'all said all

466
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,159
Speaker 3: drugs minus too, no matter what. But for me, it

467
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 3: was always some technicality that you know, even the first

468
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,440
Speaker 3: crack cocaine it was two points minus too. That was

469
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,200
Speaker 3: separate from the two points minus drugs. But the crack

470
00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 3: one we got denied on that too, you know what

471
00:20:59,560 --> 00:20:59,880
Speaker 3: I'm saying.

472
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 5: So yeah, So it's been multiple things that you know

473
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,240
Speaker 5: and actually on like the drug mindus to again, you know,

474
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,439
Speaker 5: shout out, you know, the pushing he helped We did

475
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:07,679
Speaker 5: it right.

476
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 4: I spoke about that when I was up here five

477
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 4: years ago.

478
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 5: But even you know, for the context for a lot

479
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 5: of the list, like like uh, you know a lot

480
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:14,959
Speaker 5: of people heard like big meats, you got a reduction.

481
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 3: That's what he got, big based.

482
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,160
Speaker 5: On the two point reduction. He got the two point

483
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,119
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. We so something that we

484
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 5: helped push through.

485
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 4: Uh you know, like they.

486
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 3: Was attorney as well, because a man said, uh, yeah,

487
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 3: I got a big mets to off the two maybe

488
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 3: seven years office centers yeah, that's sixth left. Yeah, uh,

489
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 3: you know, but they denied me for the same thing.

490
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 4: But the judges had the discretion.

491
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 5: And that's the other thing about these these things with

492
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 5: the mandatory minimums.

493
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 4: The judge ain't had no discretion.

494
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 5: If you met a certain guideline, they had to give

495
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,439
Speaker 5: you that amount of time. But but now in the

496
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 5: thing that was supposed to bring relief based on the

497
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 5: mandatory minims, the judge got full discretion.

498
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 4: I felt like that was sort of ironic.

499
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 5: You know. Now, if you got like, I don't want

500
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 5: to use the term left no more because this is

501
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 5: getting wid But if you got a judge that's more

502
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 5: for those things, then yeah, you're in good shape.

503
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 4: But if you got a conservative judge or hard line

504
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 4: you're like to get that. Yeah, he's gonna know.

505
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 5: This wasn't for people like him and the guys that

506
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 5: was considered to be leaders. Imagine me as an activist,

507
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 5: as a as an advocate, and all that I'm seeing

508
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 5: this happening around me all the time, everything that I'm

509
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 5: helping to push, I'm not the sole guy responsible. I'm

510
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 5: lending my influence and my dad can't benefit from it.

511
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 5: But I couldn't stop though, you know what I mean,

512
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 5: I knew that there's no way my father was gonna

513
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 5: die in prison. But we up against the federal government

514
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 5: and you are United States government. But I just always

515
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 5: felt in with the push of my you know, my

516
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 5: DC community and abroad, you know, we were able to

517
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 5: make this happen. And I hope this, you know, it's

518
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 5: hope for the ten million children in this country that

519
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,199
Speaker 5: have had in the cost parent for people that's in prison.

520
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 5: But I think the main thing for me not to

521
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 5: be talking too much, but I think it's so important. Yeah,

522
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 5: it's so important to note though that you know, it's

523
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 5: also my dad didn't My dad had two, uh in

524
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 5: thirty four years, only like two in fractions. He did

525
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 5: things to get better, He did things to help other inmates,

526
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 5: he did things to help our community. So it wasn't

527
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 5: just me. His actions as a man, you know what

528
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, could have he could have been

529
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 5: you know, turned up and then.

530
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 3: A lot of it's a lot going on in prison.

531
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 3: Even if you don't want to get turned up, it

532
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 3: sometimes you forced to get. And being from d C,

533
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 3: we you know, I love my homies, but we stay

534
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 3: in we staying stuff in prison, you know what I'm saying.

535
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 3: And then Baltimore.

536
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 6: Because when I was being in prison it was crazy,

537
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 6: so I can relate.

538
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 4: You know, I came home so.

539
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 2: Sues for real.

540
00:23:51,200 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, just every just did you know you don't play?

541
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 2: Why Why was you the only person still servant? Time?

542
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 3: We were trying to figure out, you know, That's what

543
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 3: we were trying to figure out. Why was I only everybody?

544
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 3: Was like every time I call home, call like what

545
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 3: they letting all your cody fin is gone? Why not

546
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 3: only one? Yeah? Why you only one? I'm like, man,

547
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 3: I'm fighting, That's all I can say. I don't know

548
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 3: why I'm the.

549
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 2: Only one because they look at you the leader.

550
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 3: Well with him Rayful, Yeah, but uh you know what

551
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 3: he did, so he was already set to come home whenever,

552
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 3: no matter what. But uh, I had to fight. My

553
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 3: son had to. If it don't be for my son,

554
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 3: I'd be still languaghing in prison.

555
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 5: You know.

556
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you watched snow when you watch the show

557
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 1: like the Snowfalls and the b Because I heard you

558
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: say earlier you don't want to glorify it, but how

559
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: do you tell.

560
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 2: Your story without glorifying? Glorifying?

561
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 3: Right, see I tell the story. But then even in

562
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 3: the middle, at the end, I say, I'm not glorifying

563
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, and I'm not, but it's the truth.

564
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 3: I gotta tell the truth, you know, good or bad.

565
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 3: But still I'm not glorifying. If I had to do

566
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 3: it all, if I had the opportunity to do it

567
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 3: all different, I would do it different. I wouldn't sell George,

568
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have broken in the law. I would have

569
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 3: tried to find another way. But I'm gonna say that.

570
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 5: You know, I'm gonna say this though when you could

571
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 5: pay you know what I'm saying, Like all them up,

572
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 5: them them other stories, and I say, it's all difference

573
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 5: of humility. But all them other stories ain't gotta me.

574
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the difference.

575
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 5: Dislike it's like it's like uh in this fiction. But

576
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 5: I'm saying it's like I'm with I'm with Vito wanted

577
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 5: Michael to become like I'm just the godfather in real life.

578
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 5: This if I took the family legit, you ain't got

579
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 5: this in the other stories.

580
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 4: And that's serious. Ain't not to mention, you know.

581
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 5: I climbed the crooked ladder and sent back down the

582
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 5: straight one in my city. You know what I'm saying,

583
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 5: you be hard pressed. Finding like this helped more people.

584
00:25:58,880 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 4: More people from miss.

585
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 5: Circum stands people. When people all through federal prison DC

586
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 5: guys they want to come home. I got to see

587
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 5: Tony because he will help me. And that's real, you

588
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying.

589
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 4: That's the part that's.

590
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 3: Me every day in prison, every time that somebody get

591
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 3: read to get up six months before they might ain't

592
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 3: said nothing to me the whole time they've been in

593
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 3: the unit. Tony, I've been meaning to talk to you, man,

594
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 3: what your son still having people get them jobs? I said,

595
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 3: yea still he man, my information?

596
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 2: Can you?

597
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 3: I said, I'll see what I can do. But I say,

598
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 3: I'm watching your action and I tell a lot of times,

599
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 3: but I see how you moving here and then you

600
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 3: come to me to try to get be the reference

601
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 3: you to my son. But I've been seeing how you

602
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 3: been moving and if you ain't moving the right way,

603
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 3: I'm not doing that. My son's name goes on everything

604
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 3: that he does when when he connected and trying to

605
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 3: get people employment or housing or you know, or whatever

606
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 3: the case may be. And I'm not putting no bad people.

607
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 3: When I've been watching you for the last year or

608
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: two moving in here the way that you move. No,

609
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: I can't do that.

610
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: I just being off how God works because unfortunate circumstance,

611
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: because it's some fort choices.

612
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: But then that became your your life's work, your purpose.

613
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 3: And we always it's crazy.

614
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 5: It really is, bro and I'm saying, I live. It's

615
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 5: so many dynamics. It's like I'm saying, I don't.

616
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 4: Even growing up. I ain't never moved. I'm on hand.

617
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

618
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 4: They're on the same block.

619
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, and they do it from

620
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 5: there that the whole community have watched my journey.

621
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 4: Ain't going away to college. I went to college, went

622
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 4: to all over universe. I ain't going away to school.

623
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 4: Everything I did, and I.

624
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 5: Lost so many friends fan like, yeah, the streets city,

625
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 5: you know, gun violence and and and in prison and

626
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, over all that and it

627
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 5: still impact my life. But still every day, you know,

628
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 5: still getting up to help my people. And then we

629
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 5: talked about d c's gentrification and the Native Washingtonian, uh,

630
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 5: you know, even me and my homegirl, my partner Angel Gagorio. Yeah, man, uh,

631
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 5: you know, we we we started this whole thing DC Natives.

632
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 5: They just to force our city to recognize people that

633
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 5: grew up in d C.

634
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 4: Because it's like.

635
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 5: All the energy was focused on all the people moving

636
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 5: to the city, you know, and we need a part

637
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 5: of us some of the progression and and and so

638
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 5: with that though, it was like I've realized that has

639
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 5: brought me a lot of clarity.

640
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 2: Though.

641
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 5: That's why them bullets ain't hit me. That's why when

642
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 5: my friends went to jail on conspiracy, they ain't grabbed me.

643
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 4: You know that. I that was my purpose and.

644
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 5: And and to now have him beside me now, you know,

645
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 5: I mean, I just I'm so excited about what.

646
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 4: The future holes for us and our city and our family.

647
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 6: This is gonna be like the biggest thing for your

648
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 6: daughters though, Like seeing that day six and nine, you said,

649
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 6: seeing that you know what I'm saying, just like their

650
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 6: standards are gonna be.

651
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 4: So high for these black men.

652
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 6: You understand what I'm saying, And.

653
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 3: That's really really good.

654
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 6: Like you could have, like I'm serious, you could have

655
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 6: really went another way with this, you know, but your

656
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 6: daughters are gonna always king they're gonna be a king,

657
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 6: you know, to them the rest of their life.

658
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: And the.

659
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 3: School with them going to gymnastic practice everything anything they

660
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 3: want off here, and I'm loving it. It's what I

661
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 3: dreamt about.

662
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: They provide you with any resources like mental health resources

663
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Speaker 1: for you know, for you to help help you adjust.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure you got PTSD that you're dealing with.

665
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Speaker 3: I can imagine it's like, you know, I know that

666
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 3: the city has those things, but you got to go

667
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 3: and uh, you got to go and try to get them.

668
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Speaker 3: It's not like how it should be that the minute

669
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Speaker 3: you hit that look, just come on over here.

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Speaker 5: Have access to the we're going to engage them to

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Speaker 5: And again I've been part of that ecosystem to help

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Speaker 5: building that ecosystem.

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Speaker 4: So we you know, in the program that I you know,

674
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Speaker 4: designed it.

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Speaker 5: You know, we had a joint where it's crazy, you know,

676
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Speaker 5: we ain't gonna don't we already you know, everybody you

677
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 5: do break a local law, federal, you do go to

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Speaker 5: the fairs in DC. We don't even have halfway house now,

679
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 5: so our halfway house is actually people. So but a

680
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Speaker 5: program I did out there with Andel, we we actually

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Speaker 5: the bad Rocket, the program was one on one therapy.

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Speaker 4: That's really you know, I want us to do family therapy.

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Speaker 5: We've just been running around the last six the first

684
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Speaker 5: sixty days, but that's definitely a part of it right now.

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Speaker 2: Absolute.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate, you know, all the push you've been doing

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Speaker 5: for wellness and mental health. You know, it's brought up

688
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Speaker 5: as a kid with a mom that dealt with mental

689
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Speaker 5: health and I'm the only like I said, the only

690
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Speaker 5: child I went through all that with my mother into

691
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 5: this day, right, I understand the value that and to

692
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 5: destigmatize that for our community is so important, to make

693
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Speaker 5: it accessible and affordable and to make.

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Speaker 4: You not crazy.

695
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Speaker 5: We all need I tell young's all the time. And

696
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Speaker 5: you break your angle, you be hooping. If you break

697
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Speaker 5: your angle, you could just go in the house and

698
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 5: just lay on the bed and let that joint. Hell,

699
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 5: now you go to the doctor. So we gotta look

700
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Speaker 5: at mental health in that same way. So it's definitely

701
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Speaker 5: something that we know is necessary. In the trauma that

702
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 5: black men and women all across this country has experienced

703
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 5: via incostration is something I think that's definitely something that

704
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 5: we don't talk about enough.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying that shit real what's next for y'all man, And.

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Speaker 5: It don't get taken movement, Yeah, constration, anti violence movement,

707
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 5: don't get taken. All the younger is out there exactly

708
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 5: that you know, don't put yourself in a position where

709
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 5: you get taken either from the community via criminal justice

710
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 5: system or you know, obviously the cemetery.

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00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 4: Too much violence and Cojack.

712
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 3: Got to rob the guns down, young people. We got

713
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 3: to put the guns down.

714
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 5: Part what you always say, you can't tell them what

715
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 5: would you would you?

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Speaker 3: We can't, Well, we can't. We can't ask them to

717
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: put the guns down without pickings up up and they

718
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 3: got a good job or training or some type of

719
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: more opportunity. And I always say this to our good

720
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 3: mayor Mayor Bowser and the DC City Council. Uh, we

721
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 3: need more opportunities that young people need, more opportunities, more jobs,

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00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 3: more more training. Uh. If we want to put the guns.

723
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Speaker 4: Been in trouble.

724
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Speaker 5: That's the other part just to the barrier piece and

725
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 5: in DC and everywhere else. If people made a mistake,

726
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 5: they paid their debt. We we cannot continue to hold

727
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 5: them like put that scholar letter on them, and they

728
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 5: can't engage because then the cities or the counties or

729
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 5: the towns whatever create these quote unquote pathways or these opportunities.

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Speaker 4: But if you got a criminal record, you can't do it.

731
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Speaker 4: That's that's that that who you think needed the most.

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Speaker 5: You understand what I'm saying, and that that definitely go

733
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Speaker 5: for a place like Baltimore in New York and.

734
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Speaker 3: Philadelphia whatever, you know what I'm saying everywhere?

735
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Speaker 4: So what am I left to do? And my baby

736
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 4: crowing on them? Life still gotta be on you know.

737
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 4: So yeah, we gotta get people.

738
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Speaker 5: Listen, Hopelessness is probably the most powerful thing there is, right,

739
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Speaker 5: And so when we start talking about our young people

740
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Speaker 5: in our in our communities, if I've accepted death, and

741
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 5: I've accepted that death or on conserration is gonna be

742
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Speaker 5: my fate and in some in some instances that my glory.

743
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 5: You cannot deter me with that. You cannot deter me

744
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 5: with something I've already accepted, it's gonna happen. Right, So

745
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 5: we gotta do this that hope we gotta and hopefully

746
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 5: this is make people feel hopeful, But we gotta we

747
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 5: gotta create systems that promote hope in these communities that

748
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 5: there is is something other than the street.

749
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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. Really for me, I feel

750
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Speaker 4: like it ain't. You can't aim that at youth.

751
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 5: You have to aim at at family because the adults

752
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 5: are destabilized. What you think happen to the youth, any

753
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 5: young any trouble. Look at you asked, who does he

754
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 5: belong to? What's the state of that household? That's the

755
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 5: answers right there. So we got to attack that.

756
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Speaker 2: In my opinion, how do you support that Don't Get

757
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: Taken movement?

758
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 3: Right now?

759
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 5: We were really just trying to brand it, put it

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Speaker 5: out in consciousness. You know, I got it in slub being.

762
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Speaker 3: Here talking about it, was at the school yesterday talking

763
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Speaker 3: it's amazing, and we establishing designer.

764
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Speaker 5: Program and we're gonna be in community. We're gonna be

765
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Speaker 5: trying to work on a p s A that that

766
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Speaker 5: that's gonna go out on social media, you know, pushing

767
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 5: Don't Get Taken and hopefully we can you know, get

768
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Speaker 5: partners around it and really build it up to not

769
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Speaker 5: just something in d C, but really a national movement, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, for our young people. Man, don't get.

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Speaker 2: Taken anyway we can help. Let us know, man, we.

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Speaker 6: Have one last question. So I know you say you

773
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Speaker 6: don't you don't want to ever glorify what you did.

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Speaker 6: You would you ever do a story somebody came to you. Yeah, Look,

775
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 6: everybody else got this story, everybody.

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Speaker 3: No question. That's what we want to do.

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Speaker 6: You know what I mean? And like you said, everybody

778
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Speaker 6: else story is the difference between is there is no you.

779
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Speaker 4: We don't have a U.

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Speaker 6: So would you be because this would be the first

781
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Speaker 6: story like this on TV.

782
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Speaker 3: For sure?

783
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Speaker 2: Thank you.

784
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 4: I willing to tell it though.

785
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 5: That's the thing that America want to tell. A story

786
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 5: like this one, a story that is the right way

787
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 5: of a person that people that did it the right way,

788
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 5: that's the question.

789
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Speaker 3: And we're still fighting for the man that's left behind,

790
00:34:53,640 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 3: still the family. They got to be them.

791
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the point that if they do it, then they

792
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: got to highlight the fact that you're out here doing

793
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: God's work.

794
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 3: That's right.

795
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Speaker 2: People.

796
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 3: Everybody want to drama, drama, you know, help me too

797
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 3: many people, But like you said, yes, somebody want to

798
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: do and somebody will do it, and somebody's going to

799
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Speaker 3: yeah mm hmm.

800
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Speaker 4: That's what I wanted to know.

801
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Speaker 1: Appreciate you for You're just gonna play one of your

802
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: drug mules or something from back.

803
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 3: In the Definitely, just any girl from Baltimore, any role. Yeah, yeah,

804
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Speaker 3: he's welcome.

805
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: Yes, Tony Lewis Junior, Tony Lewis and your Tony Man.

806
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: I've always respected the work you're doing now, I'm glad

807
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: you got your father out here doing it with you.

808
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 3: Man, Man appreciated.

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Speaker 2: It's the club