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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.

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Speaker 2: Some of the morning calls. This morning, let's turn to

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Speaker 2: energy and critical minerals. The Trump administration set to announce

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Speaker 2: a major shift in climate rules, rolling back and Obama

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Speaker 2: era policy regulating fossil fuels. On that and more, the

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Speaker 2: US and Serious Secretary dunk Burgham joins us.

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Speaker 1: Now for more.

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Speaker 2: Mister Secretary, you have been a busy man over the

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Speaker 2: last week. I actually want to start with Project Vote

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Speaker 2: and then we'll get to the EPA and what's going

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Speaker 2: to happen with regulations around fossil fuels and such. Mister Secretary,

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Speaker 2: What is Project Vote and how should I be thinking

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Speaker 2: about this in comparison to say the spr.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's absolutely a comparison.

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Speaker 3: The Strategic Patrolling Reserve has created a great buffer on

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Speaker 3: price shocks for American consumers for decades and decades. We

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Speaker 3: have no equivalent on critical minerals. There are sixty minerals

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Speaker 3: on the critical minerals list. Some of those are rare

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Speaker 3: earth elements. China, as you know, Jonathan controls about eighty

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Speaker 3: five to one hundred percent of the process and refining

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Speaker 3: on about twenty of those, enough to put a stranglehold

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Speaker 3: on global industry, whether it's tech high tech, whether it's defense.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's consumer.

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Speaker 3: And so with the threats last year put out by

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Speaker 3: China on export controls, the US leapt into action.

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Speaker 1: We're broadly bringing mining back in America.

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Speaker 3: But this idea of creating a strategic critical minerals reserve

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Speaker 3: across sixty different elements, driven by the private sector, great

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Speaker 3: leadership by across the board of multiple Cabinet secretaries in

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Speaker 3: the Trump administration, working with the ExM Bank, working with

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Speaker 3: the private sector, about ten billion and a loon about

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Speaker 3: two billion in equity capital going in.

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Speaker 1: This is going to be private sector.

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Speaker 3: Funded, market driven, and those critical minerals will be stored

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Speaker 3: at locations that are economically smart and economically efficient around

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Speaker 1: But the idea is that we will.

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Speaker 3: In addition to that, last week there was also at

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Speaker 3: the State Department a historic meeting. Over fifty countries came

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Speaker 3: to the US, all of them some of them already

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Speaker 3: signed on others many others interested joining a club of

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Speaker 3: nations with free trade on critical minerals with price floors.

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Speaker 1: The key on price floors.

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Speaker 3: Is that would block China from illegal dumping to kill

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Speaker 3: the price across anyone, particularly critical mineral, and that's going

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Speaker 3: to allow the assurance for capital to start flowing back

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Speaker 3: into mining and refining of these minerals in the US

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Speaker 3: and in our allies. So tremendous, tremendous interest from the

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Speaker 3: leaders ministers from around the country that were there at

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Speaker 3: the event hosted the State Department last week. So anyway,

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Speaker 3: great progress going to make sure that US is secure

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Speaker 3: relative to our position on critical minerals.

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Speaker 2: And MISSUS Secretary you certainly alluded to it. China's got

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Speaker 2: a stranglehold over critical minerals in America. Needs to do

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Speaker 2: something about it, and overwhelmingly this agreement on this program

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Speaker 2: often almost weekly to do something about it. What is

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Speaker 2: less understood is why they have that strangle holds. You

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Speaker 2: talked about pricing and dumping. What about regulations? This is

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Speaker 2: typically quite a dirty process. Is that held back production

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 3: There's been an attack on American energy in this country,

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Speaker 3: but even longer than that, there's been an attack on

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Speaker 3: mining in our country. And just like President Trump's drill,

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Speaker 3: baby drill, we've got to get back to mine, baby mine.

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Speaker 3: The US graduated thirty six thousand lawyers last year and

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Speaker 1: China, of course, is not doing it cleaner than any

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Speaker 3: I mean, whether they're tearing up the Congo or Indonesia,

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Speaker 1: All of these things that are going on.

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Speaker 3: It's a dirty industry potentially for the environment, but there's

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Speaker 3: for President Trump, we're breaking the logjam on permitting.

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Speaker 3: This is going to be a huge, huge step forward

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Speaker 4: Mister Secretary, there's a question around refinding things like lithia

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Speaker 4: copper really necessary for the build out of some of

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Speaker 4: the hyperscalers in particular. On the other side, there are

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Speaker 4: rollbacks the EPA rules, like lowering emission standards as well

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Speaker 4: necessary to get some of the national security goals that

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Speaker 3: Well, we'll be making some more announcements on beautiful clean

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Speaker 3: America today. It has survived an onslaught for twenty years.

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Speaker 3: But they've taken everything, virtually everything out of the Knox,

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Speaker 3: the socks that anything that would be considered an issue

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Speaker 3: relative the environment, and what's left. The attack on coal

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Speaker 3: as a baseload power has been largely around CO two

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Speaker 3: emissions and with the reversal of the Endangement finding that

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Speaker 3: that we are going to go back to a thing

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Speaker 3: where we can have consumer choice, that's lower prices. And

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Speaker 3: of course, with the big storms we had in the

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Speaker 3: press conference last Friday, but we would have had millions

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Speaker 3: coal hadn't stepped up. Coal was the hero of keeping

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Speaker 3: of the money that has been spent in the northeastern

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Speaker 3: part of this country on renewables. There was times during

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Speaker 3: those storms where we had less than two percent of

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Speaker 3: the power coming from wind and solar. There was more

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Speaker 3: we need The Biden plan of energy transition was actually

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Speaker 3: energy subtraction. It wasn't addition, it wasn't transition. It was subtraction.

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Speaker 3: They were shutting down baseload and then replacing it with intermittent, unreliable,

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Speaker 3: foreign sourced forms of energy that required us to build

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Speaker 3: infrastructure already had. That's what drove up prices. We're facing

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Speaker 3: this AI arms race with China. We need more power,

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Speaker 3: We need energy audition. The way to have energy addition

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Speaker 3: already works, and of course that includes our fossil fuel

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Speaker 3: baseload and the PGM market. Seventy percent of the power

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Speaker 3: was coming from hydrocarbons during those storms. I mean, America

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Speaker 3: be for in long future.

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Speaker 1: Innovation is what we.

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Speaker 3: Need to help solve any concerns that people might have

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Speaker 3: about future climate change.

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Speaker 4: Mister Secretary, A lot of people could get on board

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Speaker 4: with that. The problem is that a lot of people

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Speaker 4: have pointed out that it feels like there are certain

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Speaker 4: energy sources that have gotten subtracted in this administration, as well,

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Speaker 4: wind being among them. It's not necessarily that we want

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Speaker 4: all energy sources, but picking winners and losers, how do

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Speaker 3: Well, it's easy because we're not picking winners and losers.

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Speaker 3: We're picking reliable, affordable, nationally secure sources that can provide

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Speaker 3: What we're not subsidizing any longer is intermittent, weather dependent

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Speaker 3: foreign source, which in the case of offshore wind, hits

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Speaker 3: all three of those. But it's also the highest cost,

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Speaker 3: it's not affordable, and it's also opposed.

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Speaker 1: By our marine fisheries.

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Speaker 3: I was meeting with a group of third and fourth

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Speaker 3: their business. These are the farmers of the sea that

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Speaker 3: mammal groups that save the whale groups. They're opposed to

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Speaker 3: offshore national security. Now there's a classified reports out that

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Speaker 3: the radar interference and above the water and the sonar

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Speaker 1: These are not made up things.

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Speaker 3: These are things that have to be considered, particularly related

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Speaker 3: to offshore. But with the Working Families tax cut bill

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Speaker 3: contemplating new projects. We have companies that are coming to

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Speaker 3: not going to be building offshore because we get it.

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Speaker 3: It was only viable because of the massive tax subsidies.

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Speaker 1: So it's the it's all of the above that.

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Speaker 3: A reliable, affordable, and dispatchable and don't require massive subsidies.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and that's the level playing field that we're

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Speaker 2: Now, Missus Secretary, Just quickly, because people will hate us

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Speaker 2: if we're talking about wind farms when payrolls comes out

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Speaker 2: about sixty seconds time. But I want to squeeze this

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Speaker 2: in courts, as you know, have ruled against your administration'

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Speaker 2: stunt work orders on these offshore wind farms. You can

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Speaker 3: Absolutely we are and as I'm sure as we get

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Speaker 3: into court and have sessions and share share classified information,

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Speaker 3: there will be further discussions on this. You know, people

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Speaker 3: and as Americans, we should be concerned.

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Speaker 1: No one's reading a story.

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Speaker 3: About pilots getting shot down in the Iran or in

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Speaker 3: the Russian Ukraine War because everything is autonomous.

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Speaker 1: It's autonomous on autonomous.

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Speaker 3: And if you've got massive radar interference just off our

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Speaker 3: huge population centers, if you wanted to attack America, you

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Speaker 3: would launch autonomous drones through those through those things, or

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Speaker 3: you launch autonomous submarines because of the sonar interference. And

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Speaker 3: so we just have to wake up. Warfare has changed

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Speaker 3: in the last four years. The world's different. We have

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Speaker 3: to be ready to respond to it.

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Speaker 2: MISSUS Secretary, we're talking another time a little bit more

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Speaker 2: about this, no doubt. Thank you, sir. The US and

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Speaker 2: Terist Secretary Dug Berg and Matt