Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. My name is Mike Coscarelli. I'm a producer
Speaker 1: here at iHeart Media, and you're in luck because we
Speaker 1: have a very special bonus episode for you today. I'm
Speaker 1: here at the stars of Autism's First Child, John don
Speaker 1: Van and Karen Zucker. Guys, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining us and doing this today. We appreciate it. Hi, Mike,
Speaker 1: our pleasure. Yeah, it's great to be here. We wanted
Speaker 1: to talk to you guys today because this is an
Speaker 1: exciting time for your both. Your documentary In a Different
Speaker 1: Key debuts on PBS next week Tuesday December at nine
Speaker 1: pm Eastern eight Central. First off, congratulations, you guys are
Speaker 1: the big time now. Absolutely, before we go any further,
Speaker 1: tell people exactly when and how they can watch. So
Speaker 1: we're playing pretty much in every PBS station across the
Speaker 1: country as far as we know. As you mentioned at
Speaker 1: nine eastern and eight o'clock Central. Just look up your
Speaker 1: local PBS station and there we will be on that night.
Speaker 1: So now that we know where and when and how
Speaker 1: we can watch the document Henery, I want to know
Speaker 1: what are your plans for that night. Is there a
Speaker 1: watch party planned? Is there a red carpet that you're
Speaker 1: gonna be walking on. Can you walk us through that.
Speaker 1: We think there are groups around the country, especially groups
Speaker 1: that are connected to autism, that are having watched parties.
Speaker 1: We're hearing about those. What we're doing is we're gathering
Speaker 1: with a group of people who were helped us make
Speaker 1: the film, either by backing us financially or giving us
Speaker 1: advice or consultation, or who worked on the movie. We're
Speaker 1: getting together in an apartment in New York City and
Speaker 1: we're just going to have some food and wine, and
Speaker 1: then at nine o'clock we're gonna pause and pop some champagne,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna watch the opening credits. But we're we
Speaker 1: decided not to make people sit and watch the movie,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna watch the opening credits, and then after
Speaker 1: the first minute and a half, we're gonna turn down
Speaker 1: the sound and go back to having our celebration because
Speaker 1: hopefully everyone who's there will have seen the movie by then. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, I guess that makes sense. It's hard to
Speaker 1: just sit back and watch something that you worked so
Speaker 1: hard on for. I assume you know so many months
Speaker 1: to a year, But have you guys seen the Obviously
Speaker 1: you've seen the final product at this point, you don't
Speaker 1: have to watch it on the night of premiers, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean an important part of what we're doing and
Speaker 1: we're going to continue to do it, is we've spent
Speaker 1: since March of two we've been going around the country
Speaker 1: and having screenings for small groups. We've been to twenty
Speaker 1: three states with it, and we're going to keep going.
Speaker 1: Any anybody who wants to bring us in for a
Speaker 1: screening event for their communities from now on, we're totally
Speaker 1: open to it. We watched the film to answer your question,
Speaker 1: We've seen it like ten thousand times and um. And
Speaker 1: then there's a conversation that follows the screening, which is
Speaker 1: almost better than the movie, but not quite. It's very powerful,
Speaker 1: powerful conversations. They've been honest and intimate and really really meaningful,
Speaker 1: and they've included people on the spectrum, their families, people
Speaker 1: who support people with autism through their work, first responders,
Speaker 1: medical community educators, doctors. Yeah, yeah, which is what was
Speaker 1: the goal of the film ultimately, was to get it
Speaker 1: out there. That's incredible. I want to start up by
Speaker 1: speaking generally to you guys, just about obviously, and I
Speaker 1: heard we've worked on the podcast here. Uh, what are
Speaker 1: some of the differences that the audience can expect between
Speaker 1: the documentary and the podcast. The obvious difference is that,
Speaker 1: first of all, you get to see what Donald Triplett
Speaker 1: looks like, the first child ever diagnosed with autism, who's
Speaker 1: now living in Mississippi, And many of the other people
Speaker 1: who appear in the podcast also appear in the film,
Speaker 1: like Amy Gravino and Amy Lutts and Stephanie Parks and
Speaker 1: John robeson um, so you get to see what they
Speaker 1: look like. The film is much shorter actually than the
Speaker 1: podcast series, so the podcast there's there's more depth and
Speaker 1: development of a number of the stories because we had
Speaker 1: the time to really let people speak and say everything
Speaker 1: they wanted to say. We're in the film, you know,
Speaker 1: the whole film is only an hour and forty three minutes,
Speaker 1: so you don't get as deep inside the characters and
Speaker 1: the personalities of the people. Well as exciting as this
Speaker 1: thing is for you guys, and you guys are going
Speaker 1: to do your party in New York City with the
Speaker 1: with the food and the cheese and everything, I imagine
Speaker 1: that the premiere is going to be really big news
Speaker 1: down in Forest Mississippi. Have you guys kept in touch
Speaker 1: with Donald at all or other folks in the town.
Speaker 1: We've become very close with the whole community, in fact,
Speaker 1: because we've been there so many times, back and forth,
Speaker 1: because before the film was the book. It's it's like
Speaker 1: a second family down there. What is he up to
Speaker 1: these days? Do you guys have updates on him at all? Yeah?
Speaker 1: An interesting thing is Donald finally, after living all of
Speaker 1: his life in one house, the house that his parents
Speaker 1: built in the nine twenties, he moved into a much
Speaker 1: more modern and smaller house that his brother, his deceased
Speaker 1: brother owned. His brother Oliver, who was really really became
Speaker 1: a good friend of ours and and helped us in
Speaker 1: so many steps of making the book happened and then
Speaker 1: making the movie happen. He died um a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, and Donald has moved into his house. And
Speaker 1: the house that he lived in, which for us was
Speaker 1: such an icon and so historic filled with so much history,
Speaker 1: was demolished. It was it was knocked down because it
Speaker 1: was it was quite old, and I guess the feeling
Speaker 1: was that the it would the land and more value
Speaker 1: with a new house being put on it. So we
Speaker 1: were sorry to see that go. But Donald now is
Speaker 1: in a whole new setting and it's really we in
Speaker 1: fact visited with I heart. Yeah, yeah, that's when we
Speaker 1: saw it the first time. So Donald got very quickly
Speaker 1: acclimated to his new surroundings, which, you know, you don't
Speaker 1: expect an older person to move into a new place
Speaker 1: and adapt so quickly. And then there's a whole thing
Speaker 1: that you know, it's just it's always sort of said
Speaker 1: that people with autism don't like change, and that's true
Speaker 1: of a lot of people with thoughts, and it was
Speaker 1: definitely true of Donald when he was a child. But
Speaker 1: he's adapted to the new place really really well. The
Speaker 1: only thing that's changed really is that we think he
Speaker 1: has finally stopped driving. That's a big change. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: do what we're actually relieved, um, because it was time
Speaker 1: for him to stop driving. And it's hard to stop
Speaker 1: driving if you've been driving your whole life. Yeah. Yeah, man, Well,
Speaker 1: I mean sorry to hear about the house, but it's
Speaker 1: great that he, you know, adapting to change. I think
Speaker 1: change is hard for just anybody in general. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: very proud of the house, and he gave us a
Speaker 1: tour and he's very happy there and he's still getting
Speaker 1: out and around. You know, he he worked for his
Speaker 1: families bank for most of his life. And there's a
Speaker 1: group called the Mississippi Young Bankers Association and they have
Speaker 1: an annual convention and Donald started going when he was young,
Speaker 1: but he kept going every year till till I believe
Speaker 1: this year. I saw something on a Twitter post about Hey,
Speaker 1: Donald Triplet's coming again, guys, you know, and so it's
Speaker 1: all of these thirty five forty year old bankers and
Speaker 1: Donald Trippling and they love him and welcome him. And
Speaker 1: he loves going because it was, you know, is one
Speaker 1: of his habits of going. So he's still getting out
Speaker 1: and he's still traveling. He's so so, as we make
Speaker 1: clear in in the podcast, he likes to go out
Speaker 1: and travel the world. It's a really important thing for him,
Speaker 1: and he's still doing that. Let's go back to the
Speaker 1: actual documentary itself and you guys, obviously you've mentioned you've
Speaker 1: been screening at a bunch. In these conversations that you're
Speaker 1: having with fans and people that have seen the movie
Speaker 1: of the documentary, have you gotten reactions to the podcast itself?
Speaker 1: Are people coming up to you and saying like, man,
Speaker 1: that hooked me, and then you know, now I had
Speaker 1: to see this documentary and and and continue this journey.
Speaker 1: We haven't had that connection. We haven't had people say
Speaker 1: I saw that, I heard the podcast, now I want
Speaker 1: to see the movie. We really would like that to happen.
Speaker 1: But we met many people at the screenings who had
Speaker 1: heard the podcast really really love it. And um, we
Speaker 1: heard from you know, Amy Gravino, who uh is appears
Speaker 1: prominently in the podcast. I'll just remind folks she's a
Speaker 1: woman with on an autism spectrum who deals with sexuality
Speaker 1: and was bullied and she's just one of our favorite
Speaker 1: people in the world. Um. She heard from people around
Speaker 1: the world. Um, very early on she was getting emails
Speaker 1: from people in Ireland who had heard the podcast and
Speaker 1: and others. And she tells us that it still keeps
Speaker 1: coming in for her. So, um, we really really do
Speaker 1: sense the podcast being out there, and um, I think
Speaker 1: of it, you know, maybe more Karen that it's complementary
Speaker 1: to the film, that the two work together really really well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And sticking with the sort of tour of these screenings
Speaker 1: that you guys are going on, Karen, one of the
Speaker 1: themes that you talked about specifically in the podcast is
Speaker 1: that we should stand up for people who are different
Speaker 1: and meet people more than halfway. That's what happened with
Speaker 1: Donald and Forest his whole life. But have you guys
Speaker 1: been given anecdotes from people um like that from their
Speaker 1: communities when you go and if so, can you share
Speaker 1: any So the very first time we showed the film
Speaker 1: in public was in Mississippi. There's a film festival in
Speaker 1: the town of Oxford, where the University of Mississippi has
Speaker 1: its home, and there's an annual film festival, which really
Speaker 1: is the state film festival from Mississippi. And what was
Speaker 1: really interesting for two things that are interesting. One is
Speaker 1: that Donald came in his family and many people from
Speaker 1: his town of Forest, drove like two and a half
Speaker 1: hour to come to this film festival and they overnight
Speaker 1: it and Donald got to be in the audience when
Speaker 1: the film was shown in public for the first time
Speaker 1: and came up on stage and took about But the
Speaker 1: other thing that happened there was that the next day
Speaker 1: we were we were going to lunch and and Oxford
Speaker 1: to small town. It's basically got one main street and
Speaker 1: their seven or eight really nice restaurants there and we
Speaker 1: were looking for one of them for lunch. And Karen
Speaker 1: appears very prominently in the film. I do in a
Speaker 1: little bit, but Karen's very prominent as the main storyteller
Speaker 1: to the film. And Um, somebody walked up to her
Speaker 1: and said, I was at the screening yesterday, and again,
Speaker 1: this was not an audience made up of people connected
Speaker 1: to autism. This was an audience of people who like movies.
Speaker 1: So she comes up to Karen and says, I saw
Speaker 1: you in the movie yesterday, and I just want to
Speaker 1: say I didn't know anything about autism before and I'm
Speaker 1: never going to be the same having seen the film.
Speaker 1: And John and I looked at each other and thought,
Speaker 1: that's it. That that's the goal of the film. That's
Speaker 1: what we wanted is to touch people who didn't know,
Speaker 1: who didn't necessarily care, and we're changed by seeing the film.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was the ultimate we did it moment
Speaker 1: for us. And we've seen we we've also seen in
Speaker 1: screenings like moments of community happened. So we did an
Speaker 1: event UM in Bentonville, Arkansas, UM, which is you know,
Speaker 1: a really really lovely community. It's the home of the
Speaker 1: Walmart Corporation. So, um, they have an incredibly well endowed
Speaker 1: public school system with a fantastic auditorium that you know,
Speaker 1: world class auditorium facility at the local high school. And
Speaker 1: that's where the screening was. And they're about three people there.
Speaker 1: And at the end of the film, we're up on
Speaker 1: the stage and we're doing Q and A and a
Speaker 1: woman starts talking from the audience and she starts to cry.
Speaker 1: And I stopped and I say, ma'am, you know we
Speaker 1: we can. You don't have to keep going. We can
Speaker 1: chat maybe afterwards. And she said, no, no, no, I
Speaker 1: I don't want to stop talking. But it's just I'm
Speaker 1: I'm speaking now because I'm I'm the mother of somebody
Speaker 1: who was just diagnosed. I have a small challenge who
Speaker 1: was just diagnosed a month or two ago, and I'm
Speaker 1: so scared because I don't know what to do, and
Speaker 1: I have nobody to talk to and no support at
Speaker 1: that moment, Like all around her, the other people in
Speaker 1: the audience said, yes, you do, you have us. We're here,
Speaker 1: We're here for you. And and and that's because there
Speaker 1: were a lot of families there who have children on
Speaker 1: the spectrum, and they had been organized and they were.
Speaker 1: They basically welcomed her into their organization, and that was
Speaker 1: such a such a beautiful and powerful moment. And there's
Speaker 1: been many many other things like that in our screenings.
Speaker 1: We've had events where the mayor of the town came
Speaker 1: and the police department came and there you know, there's
Speaker 1: as in the story that we tell in the podcast
Speaker 1: series about bad interactions between police and people on the
Speaker 1: spectrum because of misunderstanding of what autism is. Um. That's
Speaker 1: in the film also, and we've had like really powerful
Speaker 1: conversations happened when the police are in the audience and
Speaker 1: families want to talk with them, and the police want
Speaker 1: to say, how do we do better? What do we
Speaker 1: do better? And those have been really really powerful conversations. Also,
Speaker 1: the work is so affecting the podcast and and I
Speaker 1: have yet to to watch the documentary, but I'm very
Speaker 1: excited to get a chance to watch it. But um,
Speaker 1: this is a great segue to the next thing that
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you guys about Donald's story being
Speaker 1: the first case diagnosed with this. Um, I think that
Speaker 1: there is uh my interpretation of it when I when
Speaker 1: I really dove into the story, I didn't feel like
Speaker 1: it was something that could happen if it wasn't in
Speaker 1: a small town with a community like that. UM. And
Speaker 1: I was wondering if you guys feel the same way
Speaker 1: that the fact that at that time in history, if
Speaker 1: the idea that you're in this community that has sort
Speaker 1: of a front facing UM identity with everybody that you
Speaker 1: you see around town, if that actually really made a
Speaker 1: difference in the development of this first autism case. I
Speaker 1: actually think there's two answers to that question. One is,
Speaker 1: you know absolutely that the fact that the community embraced
Speaker 1: Donald we think had a huge impact on his life. UM.
Speaker 1: Some of that is because they were very prominent family,
Speaker 1: the triplets in Forest, but I don't believe that it
Speaker 1: was all of it. I believe so much of it
Speaker 1: was that the community embraced him, and the community will say,
Speaker 1: the people that we've met UM will tell us that
Speaker 1: it wasn't them, that it was him. So the whole
Speaker 1: idea of it being a small town was critical. But
Speaker 1: I would also argue and I and I think we
Speaker 1: we've told the story one of these stories in the
Speaker 1: podcast as well, But you can have a community anywhere
Speaker 1: UM embracing somebody who's different can happen um and it
Speaker 1: can happen in a restaurant, It can happen in a
Speaker 1: a bus, it can happen in the city. It's just
Speaker 1: it can happen in the neighborhood within a city, or
Speaker 1: in an apartment building within a city that could be
Speaker 1: the community. You know. There's a story that I love
Speaker 1: about Karen's son, Mickey, who lives in Phoenix. He has
Speaker 1: certain routines and habits, and one of them is that
Speaker 1: he likes to go to Starbucks to walk every morning
Speaker 1: to the nearest Starbucks, which is about like an eight
Speaker 1: minute walk, I guess. And he doesn't drink coffee, and
Speaker 1: he doesn't spend money to freely, so he orders water.
Speaker 1: And you know, there's no business, there's no percentage in
Speaker 1: it for that Starbucks to serve him water every day.
Speaker 1: But we were in Phoenix to do some some work
Speaker 1: on the movie, and Karen and I, you know, we
Speaker 1: were sitting there, but we we let's go to that
Speaker 1: Starbucks this morning get a cup of coffee. And we
Speaker 1: went to that Starbucks and there was a cup of
Speaker 1: water on the counter with Mickey's name that apparently, like
Speaker 1: every day they put out that cup of water because
Speaker 1: they know his routine, and that's that's like really really
Speaker 1: small gesture, that's a big deal. And some of that
Speaker 1: has to do just as with Donald, who's really charming.
Speaker 1: Mickey is really charming, and I guess he charmed them.
Speaker 1: But there's also some heart in that little place, so
Speaker 1: that little Starbucks is a community, we would say also,
Speaker 1: and speaking of that, I think that the story of
Speaker 1: the podcast specifically really documents the evolution of acceptance and
Speaker 1: understanding from the gross ideology of eugenics to Donald's high
Speaker 1: school days. I personally like to think that every generation
Speaker 1: makes a little progress on issues like this in society.
Speaker 1: How far do you feel we've come in your lifetime
Speaker 1: and what still needs to be done to support people
Speaker 1: with autism properly my lifetime, I I can say gigantically
Speaker 1: in my lifetime. I was born in nineteen fifty five,
Speaker 1: and when I was going to elementary school, which would
Speaker 1: put that in the middle of the nineteen sixties, people
Speaker 1: who have the challenges of autism were not in school.
Speaker 1: They had no right to go to school, they were
Speaker 1: not protected, so the school systems could just say we
Speaker 1: don't want you and legally. Legally, that's what they did,
Speaker 1: even for special ed. Special ed can't handle you, You're
Speaker 1: out and there was no recourse. So so that changed.
Speaker 1: That changed legally, I mean, parents fought for the right
Speaker 1: so of a free public education and they won, and
Speaker 1: people who are really different and disabled were put in institutions. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we're just not in that world at all anymore.
Speaker 1: So there's been a gigantic change. I also think that
Speaker 1: you know, I'm saying this now as a boomer, I
Speaker 1: I increasingly think that gen Z represents an embodiment of
Speaker 1: a kind of acceptance and tolerance of diversity that that
Speaker 1: that previous generations didn't quite get to. And I have
Speaker 1: I put a lot of hope in that. You know,
Speaker 1: gen Z. My kids are gen Z, so that generation.
Speaker 1: Maybe it drives me crazy sometimes, but on this point,
Speaker 1: I really really think that they're they're the teachers, as
Speaker 1: a parent would say, we still have a really long
Speaker 1: way to go that UM, when my son was young, UM,
Speaker 1: teaching and educating children with autism was you know, the
Speaker 1: major focus. And we have now sort of, to to
Speaker 1: a large degree, come so far in doing that. And
Speaker 1: you know, bringing children UM up and educating them in
Speaker 1: the system, and they grow up into adults and that
Speaker 1: can be somewhat independent, but we what we do is
Speaker 1: once they become adults, we sort of let them fall
Speaker 1: off a cliff and we have not figured out the
Speaker 1: adults yet by any means for places where they're going
Speaker 1: to live and and still in the workplace. It's it's
Speaker 1: still really a struggle for people who are different to
Speaker 1: be part of society as adults. In your opinion, if
Speaker 1: people want to get involved, is there anything that they
Speaker 1: can do directly to support people with autism. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: very direct. Um. What we try to do with the
Speaker 1: stories that we tell, and you know, the story of
Speaker 1: Autism's first Child in the podcast and the story retell
Speaker 1: in the film in a different key in our book
Speaker 1: of the same name, is that while you know, the
Speaker 1: scientists are doing research and the educators are developing therapies,
Speaker 1: there's another part that relates to all of us, and
Speaker 1: that is too really step up to the notion that
Speaker 1: people on the spectrum are not so meaningfully different they
Speaker 1: were all different. Yeah, we're all we're all we're all different,
Speaker 1: and some people have more challenges than others. But that
Speaker 1: people on this on the spectrum there us and um,
Speaker 1: they may need a little bit of help here and there,
Speaker 1: as we all need a little bit of help here
Speaker 1: and there, and some may need a lot of help
Speaker 1: here and there. Are some of us need a lot
Speaker 1: of help here and there, and so it comes down
Speaker 1: to what can we do it. It means that if
Speaker 1: you encounter a person who, um, who is having a
Speaker 1: challenge of some kind, to to consider for a moment,
Speaker 1: maybe what I'm seeing there is maybe I'm encountering an
Speaker 1: autistic person. Maybe I'm encountering somebody who's on the autism
Speaker 1: spectrum who's having a moment that's that's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a challenge, and what can I do about it?
Speaker 1: I can be not a jerk. I can be the
Speaker 1: person who just rolls with it. I can be you know,
Speaker 1: one of the people that appears in the podcast in
Speaker 1: our movie, Amy Lutts said, you know what I would
Speaker 1: really like is when when my child was little, and
Speaker 1: if he knocked over the whole stack of ritz crackers
Speaker 1: in the supermarket, instead of being surrounded by a bunch
Speaker 1: of people standing there with their mouths open while he
Speaker 1: had a meltdown, I would have liked it if somebody
Speaker 1: had come up and said, you know what, I'll take
Speaker 1: care of the crackers. I got that you take care
Speaker 1: of your kid. So these we have the opportunity. What
Speaker 1: we can all do is on the small scale, but
Speaker 1: it's such an important scale because it's day to day.
Speaker 1: Is just in the little interactions. Be a little bit knowledgeable,
Speaker 1: be accepting, be a friend, have the back of somebody
Speaker 1: who's different and might be struggling a little bit in
Speaker 1: some situation or another. On the bigger scale, it can
Speaker 1: be you know, support programs that are going to involve
Speaker 1: using government resources to provide education. Um So, port the
Speaker 1: the home in your community, in your neighborhood, on your block.
Speaker 1: Um that's the home to like three or four people
Speaker 1: on the spectrum who are living on your block. Don't
Speaker 1: isolate them, but welcome them to the barbecue. Um So
Speaker 1: that's on slightly bigger scale. But we really think on
Speaker 1: the day to day basis, we all have a role
Speaker 1: to play and if we play that role well those
Speaker 1: of us who are not on the spectrum, it can
Speaker 1: have a huge impact on whether the person who is
Speaker 1: on the spectrum gets the chance to belong. Karen, one
Speaker 1: question I'm sure, you get a lot from people. Is
Speaker 1: is just general regards about your son Mickey. People will
Speaker 1: get to spend some time, some quality time with him
Speaker 1: and his story in the documentary. How is he doing
Speaker 1: and is he excited to be a star. He's doing great.
Speaker 1: He has good days, he has you know, not so
Speaker 1: good days like everybody, but he's very excited. My movie
Speaker 1: is going to air next week, so that's what he called.
Speaker 1: He calls it my movie. So I think there's a
Speaker 1: certain amount of pride in being part of it. Just
Speaker 1: in closing here, is there a message that you guys
Speaker 1: are both hoping something maybe that you haven't touched yet
Speaker 1: in this interview that people are are taking away from
Speaker 1: the documentary, Well, I think John said the most important point,
Speaker 1: and so I would just almost want to reiterate it,
Speaker 1: which is that it really isn't so hard to have
Speaker 1: the back of someone who's different. It doesn't take that
Speaker 1: much from you to do that, but it makes a
Speaker 1: huge impact on the lives of people who are different
Speaker 1: to just reach out and be their friends. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: just love that this all happened with my heart. When
Speaker 1: we got the call about a year and a half
Speaker 1: ago to do a podcast. We just couldn't believe it,
Speaker 1: and it came to pass and it's been a great experience,
Speaker 1: and we would just love folks to know that we're
Speaker 1: still out there and we can bring this the movie
Speaker 1: to your community. Our website is in a different key,
Speaker 1: the movie dot com and our book is still out
Speaker 1: there in a different key, the story of autism. Tell
Speaker 1: everybody about that, and tell everybody about this podcast, Autisms
Speaker 1: First Child. Well, once again, guys, i'd like to thank
Speaker 1: you both for joining us today. It's been so great
Speaker 1: talking to both of you. Reminder to the audience that
Speaker 1: it's called in a different key and you can watch
Speaker 1: it on PBS on Tuesday, December at nine pm Eastern
Speaker 1: eight pm Central. I am so excited to watch. Thank
Speaker 1: you guys again so much. Thank you for having us.
Speaker 1: We appreciate it.