1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's Josh here with this week's s Y 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: s K selects. I've chosen who was America's First Murderer. 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: It's a classic episode from two thousand eleven, and it 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 1: has history, even more history, and at its heart it's 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: a true crime story. Uh plus is just straight up interesting. 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: And we did record this ten years ago. So if 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: some of the words are language that we use seems 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: a little out of date, please forgive us. The world 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: has changed tremendously in the last decade. I hope you 10 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: enjoyed this one as much as we do, because it's 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: a great one. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 13 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and this 14 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: is Stuff you Should Know, Episode three. No, it's not 15 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: why I'm saying it is, Okay, So now it's episode 16 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: episode three something three nineer eight or that's good, Josh? 17 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: Is that your intro? Rocking and a rolling splitshing in 18 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: the splashing over the horizon? What could it be? Look 19 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: like it's gonna be a new country? You remember that one? 20 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: What are you talking about? That was genuinely have no idea. 21 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: That was the the schoolhouse rock for the Mayflower Voyage, 22 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: really rocking in a roll and splitsh it in the splash, 23 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: and you remember that over the horizon, what could it be? 24 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: Look like it's going to be a free country or 25 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: new country. Either way, it was both new and probably 26 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: knew because that was not free for everybody. That's true. Yeah, 27 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: So you're talking about this because we're going to talk 28 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: about the first murderer, right, Yeah, And before we start, 29 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: I want to ask why has no one ever made 30 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: a modern film about the Mayflower Voyage. It seems like 31 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: a no brainer, you know. Yeah, I don't know, especially 32 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: after gotting around to it yet, like the awesomeness of 33 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: Master and Commander. Did you ever see that, the one 34 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: with um Russell Crowe? Yeah, it was very good, surprisingly good. Yeah. 35 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: It surprised me too. Actually, I didn't get the colon. 36 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: It made it sound like it was a franchise, but 37 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: it was like the first of the franchise. It wasn't like, Oh, 38 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: I guess, I guess Pirates of the Caribbean did have 39 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: a call in the first one, didn't it, I don't know, huh. 40 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: But Master, that was Peter Weir master and commander. So 41 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 1: it makes sense that it was awesome because he's such 42 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: a great director and related to Bob we right, I think, really, 43 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think so. I've always suspected. 44 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: Did he do the Treuman Show? Uh? That was written 45 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: by we did Gatica. I don't know who directed that. 46 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: That That might have been Peter Weir, But he did 47 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: Gallipoli and uh, like scores of great movies. Well cool, Well, 48 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: thank you for joining us at this discussion of Peter 49 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: Weir's films. He should direct the Mayflower movie was what 50 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: I'm say. For goodness sakes, Okay, they need to do 51 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: it like a realistic because you know, when you learn 52 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: about it in school, at least I did. I thought, 53 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: you know, you learned about it from Schoolhouse Rock, and 54 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: you get the picture. They just sang songs and kind 55 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 1: of rock and rolled over the ocean and then ran 56 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: into Plymouth rock and shared Thanksgiving with the Indians. And 57 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: they need to make a real movie about how it 58 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: really was. Well, yeah, because you know, that whole Schoolhouse 59 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: Rock impression is pretty widely held even among adults educated adults, 60 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: And the reason why it is because there's a very 61 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: small amount of firsthand information that left Plymouth Colony right um, 62 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: and was allowed to stand. There was a small group 63 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: of people who were controlling all of the info about 64 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: that place, and they were trying to paint it in 65 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: as good a light as possible because they were trying 66 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: to attract investors. And these firsthand accounts that you know, 67 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: basically painted the Puritans as you know, these hard scrapple 68 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: people who were um guided by a divine hand in 69 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: the wilderness. Has stood all these centuries, hard hard scrapple. 70 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: So let's talk about Let's talk about the Pilgrims the voyage, 71 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: right they landed in sixty just as a quick primer, 72 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: so says you, um. And they were Pilgrims. They were 73 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: Puritans and separatists, as they were often called. They were 74 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: people who were so pious that no one in all 75 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: of Europe was pious enough to contend with them. And 76 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: they were like, I'm sick of all you sinners. Were 77 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: going to go found a new um, a new republic 78 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: in the in the name and for the glory of God, 79 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: and we're going to be really, really good, and we're 80 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: going to do it in the new world, and that 81 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: that's what they did. They sailed over to Massachusetts and 82 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: landed in Plymouth. As it turns out, nice place to land, 83 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: I imagine. And uh, well, che, I mean, are we 84 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: going to get to the murder a guy right away 85 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: or should we just ease into that. Well, let's talk 86 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: a about who was there. It wasn't just Puritans, it 87 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: wasn't just separatists. There's a whole other group of people 88 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: who don't get talked about a lot. Uh. And they 89 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: were called the strangers. Yeah, that sounded really creepy when 90 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: I read it. For some reason, I think it sounds cool. 91 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: I think it sounds creepy, Like they look like they 92 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: should have been dressed in like like the pilgrim black, 93 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: like with why brim hats so you can't see their eyes. Yeah, 94 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: what was the the deal with them? Were they Catholic? 95 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: They were anything but the separatists of the Puritans. So 96 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:31,239 Speaker 1: they were Catholics. They were sailors, they were um Africans, 97 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: they were whoever kidnapped Indians. I don't know if all 98 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: those people were on the main Flower, but there it was. 99 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: There was a bunch of people, you know, got them 100 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: over there. He went with them and the Puritans were 101 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: pretty rigid. Obviously they didn't like Catholics at all. They 102 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:53,119 Speaker 1: were indeed extremely rigid, but to this degree, as we'll see, Um, 103 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: they they they found that like, no, nobody's this rigid. 104 00:05:58,360 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 1: And there were a lot of strangers who broke all 105 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: out of laws, but um, there are a lot of 106 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: Puritans who did too, um and they just kind of 107 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: glossed it over. They kept records, but these things just 108 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 1: didn't get promoted, right, Yeah, Mort's Relation, Yes, So what 109 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: you're talking about Mort's Relation written in sixteen twenty two 110 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: by William Bradford, who was clearly the governor, longtime governor 111 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: of Plymouth. His cousin George Morton wrote he was a 112 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: separatist and he wrote this book or an account, and 113 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: that was that sort of looked at as the account 114 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: of Plymouth. But as it turns out, as you point out, 115 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: because you wrote this, Mortz Relation was written to attract funding, 116 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: right for Plymouth. So it was basically like a lengthy, 117 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: in depth brochure to attract investors. And what are you 118 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: going to say. You're not going to say, we're starving 119 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: to death over here, we're having a really hard time 120 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: we're probably not going to make it. People are committing bestiality. Yes, 121 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: buggery is what they call that. Huh, we'll get to that. 122 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: Of the okay, um and the not going to say this, 123 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: they're going to say things are great, we're really you know, 124 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: living and by God's will, we're really just making it 125 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: over here, and we need some more money. Yeah, yeah, 126 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: they did, so that means take take it with a 127 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: grain of salt. They but they didn't just pretend like 128 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: the strangers weren't there, but they painted some of the 129 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: strangers in possibly less than flattering light. Right. Uh yeah, 130 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: I mean, are we at the Billington's Inn, might as 131 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: well be the Billington's the family, John Billington's, his wife 132 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: um eleanor his son's little John John Jr. And Francis, 133 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: who was a boy his other son. They were sort 134 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: of painted as like reading your reading your article. They 135 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: sort of seem like, on one hand, like the first 136 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: white trash, you know, that's one way to put it, 137 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: And then they also sort of seem like, no, you know, 138 00:07:55,760 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: they might have been kind of cool and just rabble rousers. Yeah, 139 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: or yes, I think that that's very accurate. But they 140 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: definitely weren't any friends of Bradford that he did not 141 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: like these people? No, he didn't. He called Um. He 142 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: wrote in a letter to a Mr Cushing. I believe 143 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: uh that who had some sort of authority I guess 144 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: in the over the colony in back in England. But 145 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: he basically says that Billington still rails against you, and 146 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: that he's a nave, which means a scoundrel. And he'll 147 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: always be a nave. He'll live and dies so and 148 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: and as so he'll live and die. Yeah. That was Kushman, 149 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: by the way, thank you, the same thing. And uh 150 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: he also said that he quote he said they were 151 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: one of the profanest families to come to the colony. 152 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: And it wasn't just John, I mean they didn't. He 153 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: didn't like any of them. His kids were a bit 154 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: of a handful too, well, one of them. It doesn't 155 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: say who in the records. But on the way over 156 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: Um decided that he was going to shoot off his 157 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: father's musket right gun in a cabin filled with people, 158 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: which is bad enough, but he did it right next 159 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: to a open, half filled keg of gunpowder, right so 160 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: he almost just blew the whole Mayflower up and history 161 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: would have changed forever. Probably. So that was the first 162 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: thing that happened with the Billington's and the rest of 163 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: the people on the Mayflower. No, actually it wasn't. There 164 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: was part. There was a mutiny that John Billington's, the father, 165 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 1: was involved in um and he was he was let 166 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: off the hook because it was his first offense. But 167 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: he uh he that that started. Tensions were already high. 168 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: And then one of his sons, either Francis or John Jr. 169 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: Shot off the gun in the cabin. So you start 170 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: to get an impression of this family, especially when you 171 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: look at you know, when you think of them bristling, 172 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: not just the average persons, you know, ire, but a 173 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: puritan's ire, right, yeah, because you can screw up like 174 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: innumerable ways in the eyes of a Puritan, sure, especially 175 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: if you're not a Puritan, That's right. And then once 176 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: they got to the New World, Uh, they continue their shenanigans. 177 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: John Jr. Kind of wandered off one day twenty miles 178 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: worth and wandered into a Native American village, and then 179 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: he was taken to another village by those Native Americans, 180 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: and eventually they sent out a group to go find 181 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: him and took him a little while. They set sail, 182 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: actually ended up on Cape Cod what is now Cape 183 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,719 Speaker 1: Cod and uh said, you know you're gonna have to 184 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 1: come back, Yes, And they found him because of Massive Swat, 185 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: who was the great statum of the Wappanoag Wappag. Yeah, 186 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: well panalog or get an email for that one. Um 187 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: who was involved in the first Thanksgiving with these same people. 188 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: So he might have had something to do with that then, huh, 189 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: well he did. He was already like he he basically 190 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: was Um trying to use the Englishman against his rivals, 191 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: I think the Abenaki um to basically run them out 192 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: rather than consolidate with the other Indians against the English. 193 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: And basically that turned over the whole continent to Europe 194 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: like that one act is largely considered as the the 195 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 1: turning point. So he was already pals with him, um 196 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: and uh yeah, so he helped him find the boy. 197 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: And if you're from Plymouth, if you live in the 198 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: Plymouth area, then you might know Billington Sea, which is 199 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: a pond and that's name for John Jr. Yeah, who 200 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: wandered off right. Yeah, I think that he might have 201 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: found that. I mean you know, he discovered the pond, 202 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: but he may have discovered it on his wonder right 203 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: his sojourn. Yeah, but they found him and he was 204 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: quote be hung with beads. So apparently they you know, 205 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: kind of adopted him a little bit like he was 206 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: the mascot. Yeah, and then they gave him back. Yeah, 207 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: and then the I think that the colonists gave the 208 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: Indians and a couple of knives and said thanks and 209 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: went back to Plymouth, thanks for the beads and the guy. 210 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: But you have to imagine that mounting a ten man 211 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: sailing expedition into Indian country. Um, because your kid wandered off, 212 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: it's gonna you're gonna You're gonna rub the back of 213 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: your neck and be like thanks a lot, you know. Yeah, 214 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: you know, if you're at Billington's and you're like, thanks 215 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: for getting my kid back, you know, can I do 216 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: I owe you anything? Or you know? Not so though, 217 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: because Billington uh had a bad reputation in that he 218 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: scoffed at Captain Miles Standish and you don't scoff at 219 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: Standish Miles Standish. Proud Miles Standard was trying to get 220 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: people to UH to you know, serve in the military, 221 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: and Billington was like, no, dude, ain't I'm not doing that. 222 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: He was a part of anti government groups government subversion. Well, 223 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: there was in there was called what's called the olderman 224 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: Lyford Conspiracy. That was the name of two main conspirators. 225 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: He was named as a co conspirator. And reading his 226 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: history and then this, you know, the the actual history 227 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: of this conspiracy, which is a lot of secret meetings 228 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 1: about how they should overthrow this Puritan regime and start 229 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: governing this colony the right way. Um, he was probably 230 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: a part of it, but he denied it and was 231 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: let off the hook again. Well, and he he was 232 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: also apologized for the UM for standing up against Standish 233 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: and they said they threatened him with hog tying, which 234 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: can actually kill you. I didn't realize that I could 235 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: see that because what you'r all your weights on your chest, right, Well, 236 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: it's they tie your legs together, they tie your arms 237 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: behind your back, and then they tie your ankles to 238 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: your neck around your neck. What So, unless you stay 239 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: completely arched like that, you're gonna start cutting off circulation. 240 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: Like it's a form of torture. It's not just how 241 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna tie you up. Well, the that whole second 242 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: step has been kind of lost to history as I 243 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: understand it. Well, now is it just tying the hands 244 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: and tie your your hands and your ankles, your wrists 245 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: and your ankles together behind your back, and yeah, you're arched, 246 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: But I don't know anything about tying the ankles around that. 247 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: That's horrible. Apparently the old hog time is a little 248 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: more brutal. Yeah, which makes total sense. Which also makes 249 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: sense why he's described as basically like pleading for mercy 250 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: not to have that happened to him, and which is 251 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: why they let him go. Yeah, Miles Sands is like, 252 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: all right, but get out of my site, Billington Diet, 253 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: and I mean, like there's really there's there's we can't forget. 254 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: We can't leave out the fact that these people were 255 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: original plymouth colonists, like they were the first he's on 256 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: the charter, the first European, the first English European Americans, 257 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: and the first what would become one of the first 258 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: states of America. Like, these are important people, no matter 259 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: what their reputations are. He was the signer of the 260 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: Mayflower Compact, which is the first um European based governing law. 261 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: I guess you would call it state of laws. Um, 262 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: and he was he was. He helped Hugh the colony 263 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: out of the wilderness. He was one of the colonists, 264 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: right yeah. And there's a pdf online I found that 265 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: traces his family tree and apparently James Garfield, the President, 266 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: was a descendant of Billington's and it it. I mean, 267 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: if you're I wish I would have written down some 268 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: of the last names. I A. Witten was one of them. 269 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: But I mean there were people that have staid like 270 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: still alive today. Oh yeah, there's an apparently I remember 271 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: researching this. I couldn't find it when I reresearched for 272 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: this podcast. But there's like a whole group of people 273 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: who are into that kind of thing. We are proudly 274 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: ancestors of Billington's, this rabble rousing, the first like real 275 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: troublemaker in America. Well, people are proud period just to 276 00:15:44,880 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: be descendants of the Plymouth colonists for sure. So um, 277 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: but you you, I hopefully everybody has like kind of 278 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: an idea of how Billington and his family were regarded. 279 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: Right Well, we didn't get to his wife and daughter. 280 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: I know that was after what he could, but his 281 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: wife was Eleanor was locked in the stocks and whipped 282 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: at one point. She was also had to pay fines 283 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: of five pounds sterling because she was found guilty of 284 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: slandering her neighbors and his granddaughter Dorcas. I love that. 285 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: There's only one way to pronounce that, right, Yeah, d 286 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: O R c As. I'm gonna bring that one back. 287 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: If I ever have a daughter, she's gonna be Dorcas. 288 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: Bryant uh Orcis apparently was sentenced to whipping because she 289 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: um had sexual intercourse when she was twenty two years old, 290 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 1: and you didn't do that. So um, yeah, the whole 291 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: family was definitely not They didn't fall in line with 292 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: with the rest of the crowd. Although that's that's not 293 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: true because a lot of the rest of the crowd 294 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: was doing even worse things. As it turns out, you 295 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: just didn't read it in the brochure, right, So can 296 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: we talk about some of the stuff that people were 297 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 1: doing please? Okay, So remember by there's still only seven 298 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: and fifty five people in Plymouth Colony. Okay, so this 299 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: this stuff is happening like twenty fifty years before that. 300 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: The way fewer people, and yet there were incidents where 301 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: people like Thomas Granger, who was a servant UM was 302 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: indicted for buggery which we established before. It was beastiality 303 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: with a mayor, a cow, two goats, diverse sheep, two calves, 304 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 1: and a turkey who he fell in love with. He 305 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: he was sentenced to hang by um or sentenced to 306 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: die by hanging. Uh. John Walker the next year turkey 307 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: he yes, UM, he was. He laid with a bitch, 308 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: as it's put and of course we mean the the 309 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: well the pilgrims meant the dog, the female dog. Um. 310 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: Another guy was was he was held on suspicion of 311 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: buggery with the beast. Another guy had buggery with the mayor. 312 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: And it just keeps going on and going on. So 313 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,719 Speaker 1: basically somebody would get caught sleeping with a dog and 314 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: would be whipped, put into the stocks, pilloried, um. And 315 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: it was just recorded but never talked about. Yeah. There 316 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: was also rape in sodomy against humans going on. Yeah. 317 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 1: The way they put sodomy was that they were um. 318 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: These John Alexander and Thomas Roberts back in sixty seven 319 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: were called um and they got the hot irons, which wow, 320 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: is that's rough. So you hear about this stuff and 321 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: you think Dorcas doing, you know, sleeping with a man, 322 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: I presume is a very normal thing for twenty two 323 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: year old middle aged woman to do right at the time. Yes, 324 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: she's not that, she's not laying down with the turkeys. No, 325 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: so Eleanor got put in the stocks for slander. Right, Yeah, 326 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: there's no recording of what she said or basically, we've 327 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: reached this point here where we should probably talk about 328 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: what John Billington did. Okay, because now that we've debunk 329 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: the fact that not everyone was super pure, and you 330 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: can't necessarily read uh Mort's relation and the brochure and say, 331 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: you know, everything was just hunky dorry over there. This 332 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: maybe actually, maybe this is why the movie hasn't been made, 333 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: because he wants to see a guy sleeping with the turkey. 334 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think there's a market for movies. 335 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: You paid a lot for it, you know, it's a 336 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: market for that, but it's not box office grossing record 337 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: breaking numbers. Peter Weir wouldn't touchdown or what the in football? 338 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: So um, we should probably talk about how Billington became 339 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: America's first murderer. It took it took place what ten 340 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: years after he got there, So you have to think like, 341 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: this guy's an original settler and he's been farming and 342 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: hewing uh inn existence out for himself and other people. 343 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: And as a UM, an original Mayflower compact signer, he 344 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,479 Speaker 1: got a bunch of land parcel to him, like this 345 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: is tens Land now. So but while he made an enemy, 346 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: clearly one real enemy. He made quite a few, Bradford 347 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: being one of him. But he made one enemy named 348 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: John Newcomen, who was a newcomer as it turns out, 349 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: to Plymouth. UM. He hadn't been there for ten years. 350 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,479 Speaker 1: And it seems like history is a little sketchy because, 351 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: like you said, it's not all like recorded at that point. 352 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: But one thing I read was it was possibly over 353 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: hunting rights. And don't know how true that is. It 354 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: is very true, it is. Yeah, there there's I when 355 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: I was going back in UM reading the the source 356 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: material for this, I'm like, why did I Why was 357 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: I so vague when I wrote this article? Because it 358 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: did that confirm? Did it confirm that? Yeah? Well so 359 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,959 Speaker 1: in the Bradford's version basically is like this he wayed 360 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,479 Speaker 1: at Billington Waylade. Newcoming, which we should explain what whyalate 361 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: is Waylade is like basically lying in wait and then murdering, 362 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: like hiding in the bush as it premeditated. It's huge 363 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: if you read a stranger's account. There was an account 364 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 1: by a stranger and I don't know who. Um it's 365 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: not in this, not in the source I cited, but 366 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: um it talks about how Newcoming was already known to 367 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: Billington's because he um, he used to steal from Billington's traps, 368 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: he poached on his land, and um, Billington had chased 369 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 1: the kid off a bunch of times. Newcomings seventeen at 370 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: the time, gotches. He was jerk basically, and he was 371 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: what the strangers called a saint, which meant you were 372 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: in good with Bradford because you were a Puritan, and 373 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: compared to a stranger, you had exponentially more rights and 374 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: you got away with exponentially more stuff. Okay, so here's Billington, 375 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: who already has a bad reputation, and there's some little 376 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: seventeen year old punk kid stealing from his traps who's 377 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: chased off time and time and time again, and um, 378 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 1: he catches him there, so he goes after him with 379 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: his gun, and the kid goes and hides behind a tree, 380 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: and Billington shoots at the tree. I don't know if 381 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: he meant to shoot at the kid. Apparently he was 382 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: a pretty good marksmant, but he hit the kid in 383 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: the shoulder, not exactly a lethal shot today. Well, the 384 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: kid died in like three days of an infection. That's 385 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: how the America's first murder took place, and it was 386 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: apparently with a blunderbuss. Have you ever heard of these guns? 387 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: Is that the one with the big sort of like 388 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: you see fund as a pilgrim hunting with Yeah, a 389 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: little bit. I mean it's not like an elephant gun, 390 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: but if it does flare out at the end, and 391 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: it's sort of like, um, what would be considered today, 392 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 1: it's sort of like a sawt off shotgun. So like 393 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: it was a musket, but it was short and flared, 394 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: and so I imagine it it had a wider uh spray, 395 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: even though it wasn't well, it wouldn't be a spray 396 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: because they didn't use pellets. But they compared it to 397 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: a sawt off shotgun. And what I read hand on 398 00:23:25,520 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: the pump exactly. So, Um, that's how the first murder 399 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: took place. I get the impression. Billington, who was also 400 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: um described as um beloved by many. In another account 401 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: by a stranger, kind of a satirical take on Plymouth colony, 402 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: Thomas Morton in the New English Canaan said that he 403 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: was a beloved dude. He was beloved by many. Basically, 404 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: if you were a stranger, you probably like Billington. He 405 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 1: sounded like a kind of a fun guy. To be honest. 406 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: I know he's the first murderer, but he's a rebel rouser. 407 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: I tend to associate with those types. Well, Billington thinks 408 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: that because of the the fact that they need people, 409 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: they're still each individual is very important. Um, And that 410 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: this kid had been Really it was the kid's fault 411 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: that he was on his property. Billington had warned him, 412 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 1: all warned him all that he would he would be 413 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: spared his life. Well, no, Governor Bradford himself was the 414 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: one who ordered him to death, and he didn't like 415 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 1: him to begin with, so he had his chance. So 416 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: this is um what you could call unfair to a 417 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: certain extent perhaps, And not only did Bradford sentence his 418 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: longtime enemy or somebody he disdained for many years to death. 419 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: He was also the one who literally wrote the history. 420 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: In addition to what is it Morts? What Mort's retort? Uh? 421 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: Not Mort's retort. I was kidding Mort's relation. Okay. So 422 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: in addition to morts relation, the other probably largest cited 423 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:34,959 Speaker 1: um firsthand account of Plymouth Plantation is called of Plymouth Plantation. 424 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: It's Bradford's own journal. So he literally wrote the history 425 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: for Plymouth. And of course he's going to paint it 426 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: in his He's going to paint himself and his fellows 427 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 1: in the best light, and that's what we go on, 428 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: and Billington in a poor light because he sent it 429 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: him to hang. So I think, if anything, this Um 430 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: was the episode inten ended too. Tell you to always 431 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: take historical accounts of the Green install especially the old ones. 432 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: There's always two sides to every story, and the three 433 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: stooges actually get better as you age stuff. You should 434 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: know you got anything else. Nope, If you want to 435 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: learn more about America's first murderer, type America's first murderer, 436 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: America gonna be trouble saying that at these days. You 437 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: can type that in the handy. You can type wherever 438 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: you want, but you're gonna get the best result if 439 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: you type it in the handy search bart how stuff 440 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: works dot com. Sure uh, and that, of course brings 441 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: up listener mail. Yes, Josh, I'm gonna call this nicotine 442 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: poisoning from Aaron. A couple of years ago, guys who 443 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: came home from university to find my key wei roommate 444 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 1: working away in the kitchen. He decided to bake brownies 445 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: for the first time, and I hurried upstairs to try 446 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: something because he wanted to support his friend. Quickly, I 447 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 1: was overwhelmed by a sour taste, which was only mildly 448 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: canceled out by the cherries which were mixed in with 449 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 1: the batter. It was very close to spitting it out 450 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: when my roommate walked in and said, what do you think. 451 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: I didn't want to insult them, so I popped the 452 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: rest of it in my mouth and said I could 453 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: use a little more sugar. I left the room, and 454 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: that's when everything got hazy. What I do remember is 455 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: my roommates bursting into my room. This is crazy. They 456 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: found me curled up into a ball, with my head 457 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: between my knees, rocking slowly. I was covered in sweat 458 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: and muttering to myself, letting out loud moans, which is 459 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: apparently what alerted my roommates when they opened the door. 460 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: They flooded the room with light, caused intense pain in 461 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: my head and for some reason, in my stomach. Not 462 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: really thinking, I bolted to the bathroom and induced vomiting 463 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: trying to get all the evil out of me. I 464 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: was exhausted laying on the floor trying to figure out 465 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: what was wrong. Apparently there were two boxes on the table, 466 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: did you read this? One one containing brownies and one 467 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: with shisha tobacco destined for the hookah that they kept 468 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: in their house. Far could in my haste, I accidentally 469 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: consumed about three ounces of cherry tobacco mix that was 470 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: destined for the hookah. I'm not sure exactly how much 471 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: nicotine my body absorbed in the hour or so it 472 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: was in me, but when I stood up, I promptly 473 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: passed out and, according to my roommates, started convulsing on 474 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 1: the floor. They wanted to take me to the hospital, 475 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: of course, but I refused. Being the bull headed midwesterner 476 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: I sometimes can be or the college student who doesn't 477 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,719 Speaker 1: want to pay for that kind of ning. When I 478 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: did go to the hospital the next morning, explained the 479 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: situation to the e R Tech. They immediately took my 480 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: vitals and said I was lucky, lucky to have survived 481 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: without any serious complications. Uh, that it very well could 482 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: have been a fatal dose. And all I can say is, 483 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: if you're ever in the same situation, air on the 484 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: side of caution, called poison control right away. And he's 485 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: lucky that his roommates one of them had E M 486 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: T training because it could have gone the other way. 487 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: And Aaron might not be a fan of our podcast 488 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: today man the ate who gets tobacco pot it in 489 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: his mouth and said it needs a little more sugar. Wow, Aaron, 490 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: I'm glad you made it. Um if you had a yeah, 491 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: I'm very glad he's around so okay. And if you 492 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: are a member of the Billington clan by blood somehow 493 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: or marriage, whatever, we want to hear from you, send 494 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: us an email to Stuff Podcast at how Stuff works 495 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: dot com. Stuff You Should Know is a production of 496 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. For more podcasts my Heart Radio, visit 497 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app. Apple podcasts, or wherever you 498 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows.