1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Global business news twenty four hours a day at Bloomberg 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: dot com, the Radio plus mobile app, and on your radio. 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: This is a Bloomberg Business Flash from Bloomberg World Headquarters. 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: I'm Charlie Pelletta. Down day for Wall Street stock slipping 5 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: in a volatile session as remarks from Federal Reserve officials 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: lifted optimism on the economy while also bolstering speculation interest 7 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: rates could rise as soon as next month. The SMP 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: five hundred index fell three points to end the week 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: at twenty one sixty nine, a drop of two tenths 10 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: of one percent. For the week, the index was down 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 1: seven tenths of one percent. NASDAK had it up day 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: up six points to eighteen, a gain of one tenth 13 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: of one percent. Down Industrials down fifty three, a drop 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: there of three tenths of one percent. The tenure down 15 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: thirteen thirty seconds, the old one point six two percent, 16 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: Gold Laurel little change down twenty cents, thirteen twenty one 17 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: the ounce. I'm Charlie Pallett, and that's a Bloomberg Business flash. 18 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: You're listening to Taking a stock with Kathleen pim Fox 19 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: line from the Jackson Hole Economic symposium. Von Bloomberg Radio 20 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: channel is the FED chair and as she as a 21 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: FED chirt, traditionally does here at the Kansas City Federal 22 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: Reserve Banks Annual Symposium. She opened the symposium to Dave 23 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: remarks about the economy, in particular how it's continuing to improve. 24 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: She's a little bit concerned about some factors, likely productivity, 25 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: but in the end she seemed to echo others saying, yes, 26 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: the conditions are ripening for an interest rate move this year, 27 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: much much more. This is the context of a very 28 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: deep and broad discussion of how to most effectively operate 29 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: monetary policy in a world of zero interest rates or 30 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: even lower. Randy Krasner joins this now. He is a 31 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: perennial attendee here. In fact, he's going to be a 32 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: discussing and moderator one of the panels as the supposium 33 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: continues on Saturday. Former Federal Reserve Governor, professor of economics 34 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: with a Cargo Booth School. Randy, welcome, great to be 35 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: with you. Jenny Allen stan Fisher, what what's the message? Well, 36 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: I think they've been saying a fairly consistent message that 37 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:15,399 Speaker 1: they have been seeing the conditions getting more and more 38 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: likely for the next hike. They they waited over the 39 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: summer because they're concerned about what might happen if Brexit occurred. 40 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: And then Brexit occurred, and so they wanted to see 41 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: what the consequences were. The consequences seemed to have been 42 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: quite small for the international markets, and so I think 43 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: another rate rise sometime before the end of the year 44 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: is is quite likely. Mr Krosner. If it's taking this 45 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: long to raise interest rates basis points and this much 46 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: discussion and hand ringing, what does that tell you about 47 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: the actual process of crafting monetary policy. I think they're 48 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: people have very different views sitting around that table, and 49 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: I think given that we're in somewhat uncharted territory, reason 50 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: why people can can disagree and uh and obviously there 51 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: have been a lot of disagreements. Some people wanted to 52 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: move much more rapidly than than others. And I think UM, 53 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: as Yellen has said many times, their movements are going 54 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: to be gradual, gentle. They're not going to move very 55 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: rapidly up to UM let's say roughly three percent or so. 56 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: That's going to take a long long time. Sure is 57 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: because you know it dawned on me finally, Randy, that 58 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: talk about gradual. The Fed raised the key rate last December. 59 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: If it raises it this December, one basis point increase 60 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: a year way at that rate to get to three percent, 61 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: it's going to be a while. It certainly would be 62 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: a while. I don't think it will necessarily be that slow. 63 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: If the economy really does start to to come back, 64 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: if we start to see some inflation pressures, uh, they'll 65 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: they'll move a little bit more rapidly, but we still 66 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: haven't seen those. The discussion here last year was exactly 67 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: on this sort of inflation dynamic. As the labor market recovers, 68 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: we have always seen a lot of wage pressure. We're 69 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: discussions last year. Are we in a different regime? We've 70 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: now been at roughly five percent unemployment rate for the 71 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: last year, and we seem very little wage pressure. So 72 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: a lot of controversy about whether the traditional dynamics will 73 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: eventually kick in or we're in a new regime. Do 74 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: you believe that they've cried wolf? What do you mean 75 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,119 Speaker 1: by that? Well, I mean that they've been talking about 76 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: this for so long. It can be the kind of 77 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: situation where they invite everybody to a party, nobody shows up, 78 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: or you know, you try wolf after a while, no 79 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: one starts listening to you, and you actually discount what 80 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: the what the people in charge of saying. So certainly 81 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: I think that they have focused on the data and 82 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: they have said they've given sort of a broad outline 83 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: of where they think they would be going, but they 84 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: have certainly never given a concrete timetable when events like Brexit, 85 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: war or other changes in data came in. But James 86 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: just at breaking in, but I mean James Bullard today 87 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: at the St. Louis FED he basically dismissed issues like Brexit, 88 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: saying that's not necessarily going to be relevant for policy 89 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: and the US economy. Well, and of course uh uh 90 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: Jim Bullard um. And I'm glad he picked up on 91 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: that pan because I think he is a voice that 92 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: I don't hear, you don't see her here is often 93 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: on the Federal Open Market Committee that things like Brexit, China, 94 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: those concerns are going to be a factor that would 95 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: influence the FEDS policy making decision. H Randy. When you 96 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: look at what is top of the list for the 97 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: FED right now, what would you say, is there there 98 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: more They're they're talking a lot about global concerns, but 99 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: is that really such a big deal or what is 100 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 1: What is the number one? So I think god number 101 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: one is certainly the potential for inflation UM and UH 102 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 1: and the wage pressures that may be coming with with 103 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: the tight tight labor markets. Certainly, if they're looking at 104 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: at risks, they'll be looking at global risks. UM doesn't 105 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: seem like the risks in Europe are as high as 106 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: they had been, but they still concerned about some of 107 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: the issues in banking there. Obviously there are risks associated 108 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: with China that those seem to be much less than 109 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: they were than they were last year at this time 110 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: where there was an incredible volatively in the in the markets. 111 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: And so with most of these global risks, UM washing 112 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: out a bit. With UM continuing strength and the labor market, 113 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: I think they feel that the time for the next 114 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: next rise is coming soon, but they're not going to 115 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: give a definitive timetable because they want to see how 116 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: the data are evolving. Alright, Randy Krosner, thank you so 117 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: very much, so great to have you once again joining 118 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: us on Boomberg Radio here in Jackson Hall, Cancity. Fancy Poseum. 119 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: Great to be with your of course, former feder Preserve 120 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: a governor professor of economics to the Chicago Booth School. Well, 121 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: as we wrap things up, I first of all, Pim, 122 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: before we see anything else, I want to thank our 123 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: field producer Charlie Vollmark. He is a stalwart for us 124 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: on how we would get done in the field without him. 125 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,559 Speaker 1: Back in Bloomberg World headquarters, Reggie Basil, our technical director 126 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: of course Sam land I can put it all together 127 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: on the show for us every single day, So we 128 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: will look forward to seeing you on Monday. We'll be 129 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: watching to see what the market ramifications are of FED 130 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: comments coming out of Jackson Hall. I'm Kathleen Hayes along 131 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: with Pam Fox. This is Bloomberg. 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