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Speaker 3: My mother in law crashed my husband and I's vacation.

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Speaker 3: I'm leaving.

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Speaker 4: That's so icky.

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Speaker 3: You can't be here. Mother and sister us he's his

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Speaker 3: only kids.

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Speaker 4: Oh we're Lincoln.

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Speaker 3: A friend referred to me to you after I told

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Speaker 3: her all about my issues to us. Thanks, we're doctors

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Speaker 3: thinking info. My dear husband has a weird relationship with

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Speaker 3: his mother. She's very over the top when it comes

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Speaker 3: to him, and she calls.

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Speaker 5: Him especial baby. Right, special baby, I'm special baby. He

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Speaker 5: has three older siblings he is the baby as well,

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Speaker 5: who are all very low contact with his mother.

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Speaker 3: I wonder why, by the way, this comes from respect

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Speaker 3: twit and if you want to smit your own stories,

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Speaker 3: got our slash okay Storytime suppered it. So they only

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Speaker 3: spend occasional holiday with her for no more than three hours.

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Speaker 3: My dear husband spends every holiday with her the entire day,

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Speaker 3: including small ones like Columbus Day.

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Speaker 6: I wonder if he's like he's clearly the baby, but

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Speaker 6: I wonder if maybe he also feels responsible for her sanity,

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Speaker 6: maybe because no.

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Speaker 3: One else will spent time with her. They do something

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Speaker 3: historical and eat historical food, and it's just weird because

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Speaker 3: it's always just the two of them.

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Speaker 4: Actually sounds kind of sweet.

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Speaker 3: We On Columbus Day, they're just eating like it's weird.

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Speaker 4: They're just eating like just boiled food.

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Speaker 3: I could only think of corn. I couldn't think of any.

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Speaker 7: Other story corn.

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Speaker 6: Well, if they're doing Columbus Day, they're eating whatever it

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Speaker 6: was on the mayflower, they're eating flowers.

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Speaker 4: They're eating hard tack in lunch.

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Speaker 3: All the real ones hate Columbus.

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Speaker 4: Though he was not a good guy.

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Speaker 3: He did a lot of bad stuff to manatees and lamas.

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Speaker 3: He has scaled back on these since we have been

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Speaker 3: married six months together three and a half years. But

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Speaker 3: he said that there must be room in his life

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Speaker 3: for all the women, and to be clear of indigenous people.

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Speaker 3: I was going to say it, there is something also,

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Speaker 3: the big one. I'm just mean he brought syphilis because

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Speaker 3: he was just having spicy sleep with the manateesa.

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Speaker 6: Sophias said, I'm an animal lover, not to his degree

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Speaker 3: Clip where it's like, I can excuse racism, but I

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Speaker 3: draw the line of cruelty.

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Speaker 6: You just clip no to clip, take it out of

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Speaker 6: context and clip.

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Speaker 4: He brought syphilis two indigenous people via never completely on accident.

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Speaker 3: My mother is essentially a saint who has her own

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Speaker 3: j N mother in law just no.

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Speaker 6: I guess I think that's what that JN stands for,

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Speaker 6: where you just have to be like no, just say no.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that she has accommodated her entire life. So she

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Speaker 3: has told me to just put up with it. It'll

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Speaker 3: make me a better wife, mother, person to put up

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Speaker 4: And I have.

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Speaker 3: I have shared all the special days that one would

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Speaker 3: do with a partner because he cannot bear to leave

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Speaker 3: his mother alone. That means birth holidays, days off, special outings,

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Speaker 3: et cetera. But guys, I'm at my breaking point. The

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Speaker 3: story of our engagement pictures, engagement party, all wedding events,

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Speaker 3: and moving into our first home is a book I

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Speaker 3: could write, But right now I'm seething.

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Speaker 4: Seething.

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Speaker 3: My dear husband and I are in a coastal East

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Speaker 3: have a job that allows me to work remotely, so

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Speaker 3: I am here the entire time. I was grateful for it.

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Speaker 3: We needed a recharge away from home. We got here Thursday.

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Speaker 3: He has managed to take four days off, giving us

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Speaker 3: six days just to ourselves. But this starts next week.

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Speaker 3: This week, I am on my own during the days.

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Speaker 3: Last night, his mother showed up to stay in the

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Speaker 3: VRBO with us.

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Speaker 4: Yikes, like a ghoul in the night. Hikes makes me sick, truly.

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Speaker 3: The room next to us with a shared shutter door

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Speaker 3: I have found that everything we have planned for this

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Speaker 3: week includes her. He is telling me that this was

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Speaker 3: a surprise, a chance for us all to bond, and

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Speaker 3: she feels that since we have been married, they have

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Speaker 3: bonding since day one. She has been to all of

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Speaker 3: our vacations, in all of our Valentine's days. We don't

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Speaker 3: need to we need to bond less. We need to unbond.

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Speaker 6: Also, bond for like an amount of time that is appropriate.

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Speaker 6: Yeah too much bonding, Yeah that's way too much, Like

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Speaker 6: go to like a baseball game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we need to learn how to unlink because this

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Speaker 3: is too much. Honestly, you have a husband problem because

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Speaker 3: he is too attached to his mother. Yeah, and it's weird.

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Speaker 3: She doesn't know me enough honestly, and feels like we

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Speaker 3: should be best friends since we share the same favorite guy.

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Speaker 6: Eh, we say it like that, It sounds like you

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Speaker 6: want to date your side.

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Speaker 4: Don't say that. I don't know what to do.

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Speaker 3: I'm livid. I have tried to stay locked in the room,

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Speaker 3: but she can come in through the other door barricade

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Speaker 3: the door barricade it. He can as well, but she's

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Speaker 3: here all day while he's off being Businessman of the

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Speaker 3: Year telling me to stop whining. This whole trip is free.

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Speaker 3: She's not bothering anyone, and my favorite of all buttercups.

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Speaker 6: She's literally bothering over She's literally bothering.

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Speaker 3: I think real quick, you need to just get out

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Speaker 3: of the house, like spend all of your time. I

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Speaker 3: don't know where you are, but presumably it's somewhere you

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Speaker 3: can like explore, do a couple of stuff.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. Go on a walk. Go on a walk,

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Speaker 4: go on a walk all day, Go on a quiet

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Speaker 4: sojourn by yourself.

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Speaker 3: Find an aquarium, spend all of your time in an aquarium.

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Speaker 3: Go to a coffee shop.

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Speaker 4: But I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Do you have a book? Buy a book. Go to

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Speaker 3: a bookstore, buy a book, go to a coffee shop,

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Speaker 3: spend all the day.

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Speaker 7: I know what Sophia wants to do.

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Speaker 4: I want to go to a bookstore. I love the aquary.

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Speaker 7: I think you want to go on a date, like

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Speaker 7: go to the bookstore.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, solo date. Can we just like chill? Can we

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Speaker 4: just hang out and go to the aquarium.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's going to be that in Long Beach.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Today she has been trying to talk to me all day,

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Speaker 3: telling me that she doesn't think I'm as attentive of

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Speaker 3: talking to herself or some on the phone about today

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Speaker 3: since I won't talk to her. She didn't even lay

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Speaker 3: his clothes out. She's doing nothing, but could do that.

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Speaker 3: There are crumbs all over this counter. Who lives like this?

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Speaker 3: She's holed up in there like some kind of mouse,

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Speaker 3: acting like a child. I'm sorry, Wait, she's talking to herself.

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Speaker 4: She's like she didn't even you know what she's doing.

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Speaker 4: She's doing.

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Speaker 6: She's doing the voice to text. She's texting her son

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Speaker 6: like your wife is leaving crumbs everywhere, like some kind

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Speaker 4: It's disgusting, the insects coming.

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Speaker 3: I'm not I'm working. I would rather work on the

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Speaker 3: gorgeous balcony overlooking the water. But she has commandeered at all.

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Speaker 3: There is no room or peace or quie. I just

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Speaker 3: called dear husband to ask him to have her go

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Speaker 3: to a hotel. His response again was stop being difficult.

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Speaker 3: She's not harming anyone. You have a husband problem.

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Speaker 4: You don't have a law problem.

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Speaker 3: You have a husband problem. Your husband doesn't care about

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Speaker 3: the boundaries that your mother in law is crossing, and

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Speaker 3: he is actively allowing her to invade your married life.

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Speaker 7: It's a two for one though, combo.

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Speaker 3: You need marriage counseling.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he might need just individual counseling too. He needs counseling.

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Speaker 7: They both do.

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Speaker 3: He is that little boy in Game of Thrones that's

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Speaker 4: That's him. Oh no, oh, he's little Robin.

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Speaker 3: That's him. And he's gonna fall out of a freakin' hole.

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Speaker 3: Is that what happens to him?

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Speaker 4: I want to time man the fall pick the Batman fly.

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Speaker 3: No she's not, but her presence is offensive. Her passive

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Speaker 3: aggressive comments are annoying, and I want to leave. I

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Speaker 3: to do this all without telling my husband, possibly starting

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Speaker 3: empty the trash. Apparently we have been here created such

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Speaker 3: the can already. Just lock her out. I just don't

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Speaker 3: think my headphones are soundproof enough. Dear husband won't be

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Speaker 3: back until six pm, two long hours from now. We

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Speaker 3: She is ruining this help. He doesn't realize how weird

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Speaker 3: his mother is. She saves everything he gives her. She

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Speaker 3: meant something to her. And how weird the relationship is. Okay,

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Speaker 3: would be cute, if it would be cute if it

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Speaker 4: That's sweet, though it would be in a vacuum.

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Speaker 3: That's really in a vacuum, really sweet.

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Speaker 4: In this world, I hate that.

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Speaker 6: The problem is that there's no boundaries and there's no

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Speaker 6: there's no separation, and it really feels like because my

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Speaker 6: theory is that because all the other siblings want nothing

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Speaker 6: to do with her, yeah, at this that he has

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Speaker 6: taken it upon himself to be like the number one son.

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Speaker 4: Plus he's also the baby, so it's easier.

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Speaker 3: Well, he's also probably spent the most time as an

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Speaker 3: only child quote unquote, right, yeah, and do you tind Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you either developed a kind of contentious relationship in that

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Speaker 3: or you're all of like the affection and stuff is

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Speaker 3: isolated on him, which it seems like that's the case here.

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Speaker 6: It's I maintain the love, decrease the amount of time

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Speaker 6: y'all are constantly.

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Speaker 3: Together, am I Before we get into the rest of this,

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Speaker 3: because there's a lot left got on, there's a whole

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Speaker 3: story here. I think you either just leave, like you

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Speaker 3: go to again, go to coffee shop, go on a walk,

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Speaker 3: call an uber something, get out of this house, and

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Speaker 3: then later on you can have that conversation one on

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Speaker 3: one with your eyes more you say, hey, no, don't

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Speaker 3: don't just like brush over this. This is the problem.

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Speaker 3: He either refuses to acknowledge how uncomfortable this is making

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Speaker 3: me or doesn't care?

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Speaker 4: What do I do?

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Speaker 3: Do? I just pack and go. My friend told me

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Speaker 3: to dip, But what does that mean for my marriage?

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Speaker 3: This isn't the first time she's been like this at

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Speaker 3: it sixteen forty five. Just booked a houseboat for two

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Speaker 3: nights nearby a houseboat fun, not telling dear husband or

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Speaker 3: mother on I am going to the condo to pack

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think my mom has my baby teeth somewhere.

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Speaker 4: Fifty bucks?

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Speaker 3: Thank you to everyone. My two friends I was telling

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Speaker 3: Both planned a big joint one that literally was a circus.

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Speaker 3: It was wonderful. We were showered with so many gifts

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Speaker 3: But she had to have her own. She wanted a

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Speaker 6: That is the wildest though, to demand your own thing

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Speaker 6: I'll bet you have a pair of long white gloves.

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Speaker 6: You're so disappointing when you feel like I don't and

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Speaker 3: You know what, I actually probably do somewhere at my parents'

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're all wedding dresses. What sandwiches do I not like?

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Speaker 6: Did not want. Well, it's not like the parties for

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Speaker 3: On top of that, she had a mother of the

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Speaker 3: Anyway, I last left you all when I was going

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Speaker 3: You all helped me find a spye yesterday. I normally

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Speaker 3: She told me that dear husband called to tell her

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Speaker 3: So I'm confused exactly is he did he tell his

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Speaker 3: She then said, thank god, I told her to let

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Speaker 3: It's just another voice note.

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Speaker 4: Just another performance, is what that is.

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Speaker 3: I called to your husband from the uber and filled

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Speaker 3: He apologized profusely, saying she has been harassing him non

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Speaker 3: I need a break until she is gone. He was understand.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't like him because of how he's

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is a problem that he cause kind

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Speaker 3: She's letting me know that she is going to remember this.

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Speaker 3: Look at what she has done to our other daughter

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Speaker 4: Maybe a little bit of projection there.

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00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:19,919
Speaker 3: Honey, damn girl?

443
00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:20,480
Speaker 4: Al does?

444
00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,480
Speaker 3: She sounds like she's in game of throne.

445
00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,600
Speaker 6: I'm starting to see why the rest of the children

446
00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,600
Speaker 6: don't have anything to do with her, because it sounds

447
00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:32,199
Speaker 6: like she destroyed their partner's families. It sounds like she

448
00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,800
Speaker 6: pulled the reins of Castimir.

449
00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,679
Speaker 4: On her own in laws. Like we're in game of

450
00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:37,639
Speaker 4: Thrones right now.

451
00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,359
Speaker 3: So thanks for that. Mother in law cannot wait to

452
00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,199
Speaker 3: have dear husband listen to this once I speak to

453
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,439
Speaker 3: him later. Girl, you left a voicemail. You left proof.

454
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,000
Speaker 4: I would leave like I would be just so nice,

455
00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:48,720
Speaker 4: like fake nice.

456
00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,240
Speaker 3: I'd be like, thank you for letting me know.

457
00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,959
Speaker 6: I'd be like, you're so sweet to let me know

458
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:54,920
Speaker 6: such a personal and private thing.

459
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, you do like the sound like you know. Please

460
00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,520
Speaker 4: call back at this number. Yeah.

461
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,920
Speaker 3: I plan on tentatively speaking with dear husband later. Not

462
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,000
Speaker 3: sure what will happen, but I have research relationship therapists

463
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,200
Speaker 3: back home and plan on making that a non negotiable.

464
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,960
Speaker 3: Cross your fingers and toes for me though. Regarding mother

465
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,240
Speaker 3: in law. Edit ten eleven, Dear husband contacted me let

466
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,200
Speaker 3: me know she is now booked on a one way,

467
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,199
Speaker 3: NonStop flight home at six pm. He has arranged for

468
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,280
Speaker 3: a car service as well, so he will not be

469
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,840
Speaker 3: seeing her. Told me to email his work email as

470
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,960
Speaker 3: he is turning his personal phone off as she will

471
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,919
Speaker 3: not leave him alone. We agreed to meet in public

472
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,879
Speaker 3: when he is done at a cafe, he will text

473
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,080
Speaker 3: me to confirm she is gone. Twelve twenty two Eastern

474
00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,159
Speaker 3: Standard Time or EDT. I don't effing know, but the

475
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 3: property we are renting for the entirety Errostae called me

476
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,040
Speaker 3: mother in law. I have no idea what to call her.

477
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 3: Maybe cupa crazy called them wants me banned from the

478
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 3: property and a whole bunch of stuff. She's not registered

479
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,640
Speaker 3: with them. All renter's guests must be registered with management,

480
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 3: and asked if I would like her removed. I told

481
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 3: them yes, she should be getting escorted off property soon.

482
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 3: It's petty af but I don't want her near my

483
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 3: stuff any longer than she needs to be emailed to

484
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 3: your husband. He told me, do what you need to do,

485
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 3: but I'm not ready to handle her. So that wasn't

486
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,880
Speaker 3: super helpful. But baby steps and there is a second update.

487
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,680
Speaker 3: Do what you need to do, but I'm not ready

488
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 3: to handle her.

489
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 4: She's your problem, my guy, she's your mom. She's literally

490
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 4: your mom is crazy.

491
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 7: Is he scared of his mom?

492
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 3: He absolutely is he? This man is a coward.

493
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 6: I mean when your mom is Taiwan lanister, but like

494
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,399
Speaker 6: a cry baby is probably pretty hard to do with.

495
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, bro, she's sircey, literally.

496
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 4: What do you mean? No, she's not cunning enough to

497
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 4: be cirtous.

498
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,360
Speaker 7: Oh, she's She's end of game.

499
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 4: She's what's the little? The little? She's poorly written Circe, Who's.

500
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 3: The annoying boy that gets poisoned? Jeoffrey, Geoffrey, She's She's

501
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 3: Jeoffrey but your mother?

502
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, but there is an update.

503
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 3: I honestly, I'm kind of worried for your marriage. Go

504
00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 3: to be honest.

505
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 4: I mean, hey, maybe it's like he's Jamie Lanister. You know,

506
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 4: he's like hot, talented.

507
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 3: Oh oh, so he's got to have a redemption arc.

508
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 4: Well yeah, he yeah, you know, but like.

509
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 7: And then they really flop it in the end there.

510
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 3: I never watched. I watched the season five and he

511
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 3: was doing I'm actually.

512
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, girl, it's so good.

513
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,120
Speaker 4: He has really bad Maybe he has.

514
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 3: Some sort of he has some sort of what's I

515
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 3: forgot his name already Jamie Lanister type arc at the end,

516
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 3: and then you have to divorce.

517
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,360
Speaker 7: Him, Yeah, shut out to himing l Anister.

518
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 4: It would have to divorce somebody because their mom.

519
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I the thing is that I don't think

520
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 3: she would be divorcing him for his mom. She would

521
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 3: be divorcing him for how he he is a coward.

522
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it's like his he is.

523
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 4: It's like the root.

524
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 3: Catalyst of all of this is the mom, because I

525
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 3: think if you have a crazy mom, but you're like hey, boundaries,

526
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 3: or like oh yeah, my mom's crazy, then you can

527
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 3: kind of be chill. But if you have a crazy

528
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 3: mom and you're like, no, but she's my mommy, then

529
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 3: it's it's not great. But let's go into the second update.

530
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 3: She made it on the plane and is gone. Dear

531
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 3: husband asked for her to provide proof that she was

532
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 3: on the plane, and she sent him a selfie which

533
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 3: he then forwarded to me. And it's like a really

534
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 3: poorly photoshopped selfie of her, like with the plane of

535
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 3: Bollery plane in the background, but it's got like the

536
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 3: copyright mark on it.

537
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can see like the like the white and

538
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 6: gray squares because there's no actual background.

539
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 4: It's just her in front of a jpeg of the plane.

540
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 3: It was enough for me to believe that Kappa had

541
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 3: returned home, so I agreed to meet with dear husband.

542
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 3: We went to a nice restaurant in turn and talked.

543
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 3: He feels awful for his mother's behavior. Turns out she

544
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 3: invited herself along and convinced him that I would want this,

545
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 3: he said. It started two months ago when he told

546
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 3: her he had to go on the trip, and he

547
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 3: told her about her plans. She kept dropping hints about

548
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 3: how she would love to see this area, how she

549
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 3: loves historical homes, how beautiful it is, et cetera. And

550
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 3: she escalated to asking what I would be doing with

551
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:55,959
Speaker 3: my days while he was at work. She told him

552
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 3: I would be bored, that I would be lonely, and

553
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 3: maybe I would resent him. She even suggested that I

554
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 3: bring a friend, but he said that wouldn't work since

555
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 3: no one would be able to take that amount of

556
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 3: time off. Then she suggested that she come instead to

557
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 3: give us time to bond more. He fell for it

558
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 3: and thought it was a great idea, he said, now

559
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 3: he sees that she manipulated him again.

560
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 4: The poor guy. This poor guy doesn't even know. He

561
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 4: doesn't even know. He's been getting got his whole life.

562
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 4: But like this man.

563
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 3: She's like pointing at the ceiling and she's like, look,

564
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 3: look what's up there, and he looks up as freaking

565
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 3: glible that this man is stupid.

566
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 4: I mean, I think he's been classically trained.

567
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 3: Here, he's in classically trained to be stupid, but he's stupid.

568
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 6: He seems like he's waking up though, yeah, he's waking up.

569
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 6: He got one eye open.

570
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 4: She's like, look, there's gobble Globle's written. He's like, no, no,

571
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 4: it's not.

572
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 3: I know your tricks.

573
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 4: But what is written on the ceiling? What ding? Nothing? Again.

574
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,239
Speaker 3: It is very reminiscent of how she treated him when

575
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 3: he was planning his bachelor party. He's very sad and

576
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 3: depressed about it. He begged me not to leave him,

577
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 3: and I told him that counseling is a mandatory at

578
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 3: this point if we have any hope of surviving.

579
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 4: Us fair bare, really fair.

580
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 3: He told me he would think about it, Gurly, Gurley,

581
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 3: there's nothing to think about.

582
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 4: What you mean he'd think about it? She just told you.

583
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 3: She said, it's managing it. You're either divorcing or you're

584
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 3: going a therapy.

585
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 4: It's like, well, I'll think about it. I have another

586
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 4: option lined up. It's my mom.

587
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 3: I agreed to return to the condo tonight, but he

588
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 3: will be staying in the spare room until he comes

589
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 3: to a decision regarding therapy. I considered going home, but

590
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 3: then cupa crazy went insane upon landing back home. Kappa

591
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 3: is a big Facebook fan, shocking big. She's an oversharer

592
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 3: and posts everything publicly. Upon landing, she made post after

593
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,479
Speaker 3: post about her poor son and his abusive wife. At

594
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 3: this point, I had alerted dear husband's siblings. They're all like,

595
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 3: praise the Lord or seeing the light. Now we have

596
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 3: to make dear husband come around. That's so that would

597
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 3: be so frustrating to be all the siblings and be like,

598
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 3: mom is crazy, what don't you see And he's like, no, Mom.

599
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 4: Is mammy, that's my money. It's like she literally destroyed

600
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 4: my partner's family house to the ground, my family, my.

601
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 3: Fail to my family, close friends, and dear husband's aunt

602
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 3: who is a rock star. She got lots of sympathy

603
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 3: from her people. She made mention about possibly coming back,

604
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 3: so we are on alert about that. She also called

605
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,959
Speaker 3: my mother to tell her that she needs to reel

606
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 3: me in.

607
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 8: Oh my, I hope your mom was like, you're a

608
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 8: bravely lady, Hi, reel in your adult daughter, really in,

609
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 8: reel in the adult who makes their own decisions and

610
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 8: lives their own life.

611
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 4: Thank you.

612
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 3: Well. This is how she goes about the world. She

613
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 3: thinks that you have this, like I say, over your

614
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 3: adult children's lives. My mother told me that when she called,

615
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 3: she already had heads up. Kappa said, Oh, he is

616
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 3: out of line and is a controlling monster. My mother

617
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 3: proceeded to tell her to f off nice. So apparently

618
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 3: my mother has no spin when it comes to her

619
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 3: mother in law. Oh, it has no spine when it

620
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 3: comes to her mother in law, but mine. She's ready

621
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,479
Speaker 3: to mama bear and f her crap up. This angle

622
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 3: is too helping, stay tuned. She texted dear husband late

623
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 3: last night that she was considering coming back to save

624
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 3: him from me. He told her that he does not

625
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 3: need saving. He's an adults and he needs to figure

626
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 3: out his marriage. She said, and I quote, what is

627
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 3: there to figure out. She's a vile person who hates

628
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 3: her mother for no reason other than I love you

629
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 3: with my whole heart. That is not who you should

630
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 3: be married to. And we can find someone better for you,

631
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 3: who loves me like their own mother. She's the one

632
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 3: who's out to ruin you, not me.

633
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 4: This light he's crazy, truly, unheazy, crazy helly oh boy.

634
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 3: He ignored that and told her to stay home. They

635
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 3: could talk later I'm letting him cool down and we

636
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 3: can talk again tonight because I don't want to jeopardize

637
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 3: his job. He has listened to the voicemails and he

638
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 3: looks devastated, but has not made excuses for them. He's

639
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 3: also keeping up to date on my posts and reading

640
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,239
Speaker 3: all the comments. Voicemails are safe. They are backed up

641
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 3: on my computer, Google Drive and work email. All my

642
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 3: screenshots are safe in the cloud. Property management if me

643
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 3: a report of her being removed from the property, so

644
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 3: I have that record as well, and there is a

645
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 3: third update.

646
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 4: It keeps coming. Do you have any thoughts by being

647
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 4: jump in?

648
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 6: One thought would just be that it's like get on

649
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 6: the same page, same team with your partner, absolutely and

650
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 6: then have a united front against this woman. You set

651
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 6: a boundary, you say, this is what we're willing to discuss,

652
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 6: this is what.

653
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 4: The kind of conversations we're willing to have.

654
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 6: We don't want to cut you out of our lives entirely, right,

655
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 6: his mother, my mother in law. But like if you

656
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 6: for one second begin to walk down like this path

657
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 6: to like you know, like talking about how I'm the

658
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 6: worst or I'm taking your son, We're done talking to

659
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 6: you for a week when we'll reach back out later

660
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 6: or you can, but we will not be entertaining this behavior.

661
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think honestly, OP, he needs to block the

662
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: mother in law. The mom needs to block the mother

663
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 3: in law, and all contacts should be through the husband,

664
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 3: Like he needs to stand up and take care of

665
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 3: his mom because this, OP, he should not have to

666
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 3: deal with being harassed by this woman, because that is

667
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 3: a lot to deal with. And he decide, you know, well,

668
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 3: actually I agree. I think they have her and her

669
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 3: HUSBANDPI and her husband have to have a conversation about

670
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 3: like what lower contact looks like, not necessarily saying he

671
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 3: never gets to see his mom, but like say, it's

672
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 3: just you can't do Yeah, you can't see her every

673
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 3: freaking holiday. Some of those holidays are for us when.

674
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 4: You're literally married to somebody. Yeah, that could come on.

675
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 3: Jan Digital says I don't feel confident that the husband

676
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 3: is one hundred percent on board, though I don't either.

677
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: I mean just the fact that he said I'll think

678
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 3: about therapy not a great start, and Durred says, I

679
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 3: kind of feel that we're dunking too hard a husband

680
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 3: he is the victim of emotional abuse, he's dealt with

681
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 3: this all of his life. It takes a lot to

682
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 3: overcome being programmed by a narcissist. That is very true, absolutely,

683
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,719
Speaker 3: But also I think, as ope, she doesn't deserve to

684
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 3: have to like deal with a man who is so

685
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 3: kind of seemingly trapped in this relationship with his mom

686
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 3: and doesn't realize it.

687
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 4: But I don't know if you just leave him for that,

688
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 4: Oh well, she's.

689
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: Not she's therapy and he's not even Yeah, it's worse

690
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 3: and he has to but he also has to realize

691
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 3: that it's work. And right now it doesn't seem that

692
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 3: he realizes that.

693
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 6: Hcause there's only so much except that they need help

694
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 6: with things.

695
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 3: But there is an update cup a crazy phone call update.

696
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 3: I haven't been on Reddit really since my last update.

697
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 3: I have a bit of an update for everyone, plus

698
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 3: another tidbit story that never fails to make me laugh

699
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: even with everything going on. So I am home. I

700
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: decided not to stay in the coastal town with dear husband.

701
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 3: He agreed to think about therapy, but after a day

702
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: we just could not stop bickering about everything except what

703
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 3: we really wanted to fight about. Saturday, I sat him

704
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: down and told him this had to stop. He said

705
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 3: he was really torn. Coppa would not stop calling, texting, email,

706
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 3: and having others message him for her, and even smokes

707
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 3: signaling him it's tiring. He is not sure what to

708
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: do anymore. I told him point blank that I could

709
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 3: not deal with his mother. Kappa and I are not

710
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 3: going to have a relationship going forward. I pressed him

711
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 3: to remember his vows that he wrote and how we

712
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 3: pros me I would always be his top priority. He

713
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 3: led the next sentence with a but, and I didn't

714
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 3: let him finish.

715
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 4: But what money keep to me?

716
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 3: I told him I was going home as soon as

717
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: I could book a flight, and that was that when

718
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 3: he comes home, we can go to therapy and work

719
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 3: on a relationship, or we don't have to, but that

720
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 3: is his choice. He went on and on about how

721
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: therapy won't work and how it's a waste now we

722
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 3: don't need it. I told him we do, especially if

723
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 3: he thinks any of Kauppa's behavior is acceptable. He proceeded

724
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 3: to explain she has intense emotions, and I ended it,

725
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 3: this is overrigging, frustrating. It's like he just doesn't realize,

726
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 3: and it's there's only so much that op he can

727
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 3: do only so much book to flight and went. He

728
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 3: has been in panic mode and has sent me listings

729
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: of several therapists. I am not going to believe it

730
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 3: until it happens, though, Enough about dear husband and him

731
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: being an though. Back to Kuppa. As many predicted, she

732
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 3: continues to escalate. She has called my mom repeatedly, your

733
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 3: mom needs to block this woman, block her. She has

734
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 3: told my mother her side of the story, to the

735
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 3: point where my mother is trying to convince me to

736
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: have a sit down with Kappa. No, just no. I

737
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 3: mean either your mother is being successfully gas lit or

738
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 3: she is so annoyed that Kappa keeps calling her that

739
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 3: she's like, okay, please, please, let's talk to her.

740
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 4: Don't make this my problem. Please.

741
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 3: I have told her this to no end and have

742
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 3: reiterated that no is a complete sentence. Now, my mom

743
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 3: is pretty just what Jay Why, I don't know, but

744
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: she has totally been her just no mother in law.

745
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 6: I think that's just yes, just yes. My mom's been

746
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 6: pretty cool, it's.

747
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 3: Been pretty well. I think it's just like she says like, yeah, okay,

748
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 3: fine to whatever. But she has totally been her just

749
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 3: no mother in law's victim for so many decades that

750
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 3: she thinks I should put up with this that I refuse.

751
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 3: What did I do? I called Kapa. This has to stop.

752
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 3: I'm home now. She dropped apology notes off while we

753
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 3: were gone. Sitter left four of them on a doorstep.

754
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 3: That means she dropped two in one day at least once.

755
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: That's crazy. The last note said, OPI my son is

756
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 3: your husband. Your husband is my son. We must share

757
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 3: not only his love, but his time, respect, and all

758
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 3: of him.

759
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 4: Gross. I don't like that.

760
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 3: I hope you see that. All I wanted was to

761
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 3: share that with you. I'm sorry that you feel hurt,

762
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 3: but that was never my intention to make you feel

763
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 3: like I was trying to butt into your relationship.

764
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 4: But I can't help.

765
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: That you feel that way, love Kappa. That wasn't an.

766
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 6: Apology, Yeah, that was. That was like, I'm sorry that

767
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 6: you are wrong.

768
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 3: I'm sorry that you feel that way.

769
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 4: It's not my problem.

770
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 3: Yes, seriously, worst apology ever. You're sorry I feel away,

771
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: but not really because that wasn't your intended plan. Oh sorry,

772
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 3: I ruined your creepy game of FROD thing you had

773
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 3: planned or whatever. I freaking call.

774
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 6: We called it, I freaking call it huzzah huzzahsa.

775
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 3: But the call it was short, but most because I

776
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: hung up after she would not stop screeching in my ear.

777
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: She was all sweet love bombing me and asked, if

778
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 3: I got her up, did you get my apology letters?

779
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 3: I actually snorted. Then she flipped her switch.

780
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 7: I like, how you became Jennifer Coolish.

781
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm picturing her as Jennifer Coolish, but in like

782
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 3: in white Lotus.

783
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 7: No, she's awesome.

784
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:20,959
Speaker 3: Did you care dog?

785
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 7: Oh okay, I love that character.

786
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: I've only seen like five episodes of the first season. Sorry.

787
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 3: She accused me of being ungrateful, and I'm appreciative. Did

788
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 3: I know how hard it what's for her to write

789
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 3: those letters? She's like, I can't even read, like I

790
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 3: had to learn how to read, especially when she just

791
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 3: wanted to spend time with me. How dare I make

792
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 3: her feel guilty for this? I told her that she

793
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 3: was never invited on the trip. Dear husband shared this

794
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 3: with me. She more or less steamrolled him, and she

795
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 3: responded with, of.

796
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 4: Course I'm invited. I miss mother. I can go wherever

797
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 4: my son is because I miss mother.

798
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 3: Just wait until you have kids, and you're not going

799
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 3: to see those kids? Really, she psycho? Then I hung up.

800
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: We aren't sure if we are having kids if we

801
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 3: make it, but ef her. She is not ever going

802
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 3: to be in a delivery room, at a hospital, visit

803
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 3: at a baby shower or anything. Nope, that's a line.

804
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 3: I'm sure this will only get worse, so buckle up

805
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 3: along with me. Short funny story. I briefly touched on

806
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 3: the wedding shower, and this is a tidbit that still

807
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 3: makes me laugh.

808
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 4: She had some dumb game.

809
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 3: Even though I explicitly stated no games where we had

810
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 3: to fill in facts about ours so that were obscure,

811
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 3: she rigged the entire game so that all the cute

812
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: things applied to dear husband. There were twenty questions. I

813
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 3: have three that belonged to me. Only they were who

814
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,760
Speaker 3: has the worst gas, who snores the loudest, and who's

815
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 3: the biggest airhead?

816
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 4: My cash only gets bad when we eat hot dogs.

817
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 3: She just insulted you who's the biggest Who's freaking stupid?

818
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 4: This is crazy, This is crazy.

819
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 6: Leave her out of all future events, plans, and activities.

820
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 3: She's done done. There is a fourth update, though it

821
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 3: keeps going. We're going to freaking dive right now.

822
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 4: Splash.

823
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 3: So we are on what is supposed to be week

824
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 3: three of my husband's work trip. He cut it short

825
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 3: and canceled the vacation portion of his trip. He returned

826
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 3: to our home on Saturday. To put it short, dear

827
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 3: husband is a mess. He has spent hours reading the

828
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 3: comments on my post, other posts in this sub and

829
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 3: who knows how many posts in the JNF family subs.

830
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 4: He has agreed to therapy finally, Thank god.

831
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 6: Oh it was a bunch of strangers on the internet

832
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 6: yelling mabbe.

833
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 3: We have an appointment for Thursday evening after work. We

834
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 3: intend to take a private, secret vacation with our extra

835
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 3: time off next month. Any ideas where we should go?

836
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 3: For tropical that won't fry my pale skin off?

837
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 6: Columbia, Ireland, Antarctica. It's not tropical, but it is an island.

838
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 3: And it won't fry your skin off.

839
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 4: You won't get much sun. Iceland, Iceland.

840
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 3: Oh, I want to go to Iceland. But cuppa, oh,

841
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 3: cup up. She has not gone quietly into the good

842
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 3: night as I hoped, but as you all predicted. After

843
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: our last interaction, she was relentlessly harassing dear husband to

844
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 3: the point where he had to block her number from

845
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 3: his cell phone so that he could focus on work.

846
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 3: Side note, business trip went splendid despite all of this.

847
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 3: He is probably getting a great promotion soon. That's impressive.

848
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 3: That's impressive that he managed to do that well. He

849
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 3: being harassed.

850
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 4: His mother clearly raised him right.

851
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 3: Kapa has gone back to love bombing. She has sent

852
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 3: me flowers, fruit baskets and cookies to my home, my work,

853
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 3: and sent my mother flowers. I got Amazon gift cards

854
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 3: in my mail. Dear husband got Steam gift cards in

855
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 3: his email. Each note said I'm sorry, I love you.

856
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 4: Both so much.

857
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 3: Let's talk.

858
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 4: What the heck is that apology? Kappa?

859
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 3: Sorry you love us. No, you're sorry that you cannot

860
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 3: control me, and that dear husband is breaking free, slowly

861
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 3: but surely, cross his fingers. She is spending hundreds of

862
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: dollars on these money I know she does not have,

863
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 3: so I did some investigating. She has a credit card

864
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 3: in dear husband's name that has thousands of dollars on it.

865
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 4: Hey, I got you this gift.

866
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 6: I also got you the gift of ruining your credit

867
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 6: by committing fraud against you.

868
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 3: I got you the gift of you have to pay

869
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 3: for all of this. This is I got you the

870
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 3: gift of your money.

871
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 4: Yes, the last part of the gift is pulling yourself

872
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 4: up by your bootstraps and paying for.

873
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: All this stuff. I found this out on Thursday. I

874
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 3: immediately called dear husband about it. We have excellent credit

875
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 3: and carry some debt, but we will have it all

876
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 3: paid off within a year. I asked about a secret

877
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 3: big name bank credit card. He genuinely seems shocked.

878
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, as lost as people are when they found out

879
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 6: they've been defrauded by their mother.

880
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 3: Yes, but also like, don't you check your like bank

881
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: account stuff?

882
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 4: I feel like your credit.

883
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 3: I checked my credit a lot.

884
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 4: Oh really, I check it maybe like twice a year.

885
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 3: I check it, like I check out a fair amount.

886
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, why, it's pretty should be pretty stable it is. Yeah,

887
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 6: it's just good about myself. You just keep my report card. Well,

888
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 6: I guess it's like, you know, you look at a

889
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 6: sunrise more than once. Yeah, but it's a different sunrise.

890
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 5: Yeah.

891
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh that's nice, you know.

892
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 4: But anyway that I check.

893
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 3: I checked my bank accounts. I make sure that no

894
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 3: one's wat check my bank accounts. Yeah, but I feel

895
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 3: like he won't. He wouldn't have access to this account,

896
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 3: so he wouldn't. He wouldn't even know it exists. I'm suspicious.

897
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 3: He called the bank and it was open four years ago.

898
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 3: It has a fifteen K limit and about a third

899
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 3: is used. We were both blown away by this. Dear

900
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 3: husband asked me to call her. He told me he

901
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: knew he would give would let her make excuses, and

902
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 3: then this would never get handled. He begged me to

903
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 3: call her.

904
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 6: Wait, so he was saying, He's like, I know I'll

905
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 6: be too incompetent to do and.

906
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 3: Won't be because if I'd call her and just say yes,

907
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: can you don't normally can you call her please?

908
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 6: I guess at least he knows his weakness in a way.

909
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 6: But like, dude, your mom's defrauding you. You should call

910
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 6: her confront her.

911
00:39:58,239 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 4: He told me he loves me.

912
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 3: He picks me, I pick you, choose you. But he

913
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: knows he cannot do this. I called Cup again. I

914
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 3: had a plan and I did record it. I gave

915
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 3: her a disclaimer that I was saving a copy of

916
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 3: the conversation. She responded with ah whatever. I first thanked her,

917
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 3: dear God, it unlive me for the gifts. I told

918
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 3: her that they were all very nice and thoughtful, but

919
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 3: that they were not necessary, and that while the gifts

920
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 3: were nice, they did not absolve her of any wrongdoing.

921
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 3: There was no apology and there is no change in

922
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: her behavior. So thanks for the chocolate covered strawberries, but

923
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 3: they changed nothing. This obviously went well. She again called

924
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 3: me ungrateful, told me that I am brainwashing her son

925
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 3: and that I cannot keep him from her. I calmly

926
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 3: told her that he chose to cut her off and

927
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 3: that he needed to separate himself to focus on his

928
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 3: work so that he could provide for his family, our pets,

929
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 3: and myself. She scoffed at that. She then asked why

930
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 3: am I railing calling because she can tell that this

931
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 3: is not to apologize. I didn't acknowledge this, but.

932
00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 6: Ha ha haw or accept her.

933
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 3: I flat out asked her about the credit card. She froze,

934
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: then sputtered out four million excuses.

935
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 4: Sounded like an old motorcycle starting up.

936
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 3: So dear husband let me nope, he said he never

937
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 3: okayed this, but he said, mom, if you ever need help,

938
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 3: I'm here for you. So you opened a credit card

939
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 3: in his name. His credit went up. It has a

940
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 3: credit tracker. You should really be thanking me.

941
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 4: What though? What She went on to.

942
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 3: Tell me it mostly was for emergencies, but with money

943
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 3: tight recently, she's used it quite a bit. She plans

944
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 3: on cashing out some stocks to pay it back this year,

945
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 3: though I told her that we canceled her card, paid

946
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 3: off the account rip savings, and closed it. She can

947
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 3: pay us back this year, and if she does not,

948
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 3: then I'm suing her in a small claims court. She

949
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 3: again started screeching about me messing with our family. I

950
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 3: told her I was done. I had the conversation recorded

951
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 3: and I was giving her six months to pay us.

952
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 3: If she didn't, we would go the legal route. She

953
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 3: ended our conversation with the chillingness of tones, saying have

954
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 3: you I hung up? This is obviously not over. Dear

955
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 3: husband is willing to fight for us. Kapa has leveled

956
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 3: up her craziness and we are meeting with dear Husband's

957
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 3: siblings this weekend to go over everything. I think it

958
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 3: will be very eye opening for him. Yeah, I think

959
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: he needs to hear all of his siblings say, mom's crazy.

960
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, they need to get unified. They need to unionize,

961
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 4: unionize at it.

962
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 3: We are not going to the police at this moment.

963
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 3: I wanted to. I think it's the final nail in

964
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 3: her coffin. But dear husband is not ready for that.

965
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 3: He's not ready for anything. Man, this man's not ready

966
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 3: for us single god dang thing.

967
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 4: It's hard to prosecute your own mother, it is.

968
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 3: But I don't think he's even ready to say, hey, mom,

969
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 3: you can't steal my credit card information. I don't think

970
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 3: he can do anything.

971
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 6: Honestly, I think he wants to, but he knows that

972
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 6: if he said that and then she just was like right,

973
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 6: then he'd be like, okay, you're right. I just like

974
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 6: and then he'd be like, click, dang it, how did

975
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 6: I how did you do that?

976
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 5: She do it? She got a kid.

977
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 6: He just needs therapy. He needs needs therapy, He needs

978
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 6: his siblings, probably the siblings.

979
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: Siblings, and he needs intensive therapy. Because I can handle this,

980
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 3: can handle this.

981
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 4: Mama's boy.

982
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 3: Mama's freaking boy. Go to therapy. Man, go to therapy.

983
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 3: He is keeping his distance, not talking to her, but

984
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 3: is feeling immense guilt for all of this, Pushing him

985
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 3: to call the police on her may do more harm

986
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 3: than good. At this point, we are seeing his siblings

987
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: and a therapist this week. If we share the story

988
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 3: with them, it may be the final push he needs.

989
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: But I am not going to force him to do

990
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 3: this yet. It's not off the table, just in the

991
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 3: parking lot for now. And there is another update, I

992
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 3: think maybe the last. This man is so freaking lucky

993
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 3: he has op.

994
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 4: It's true, so freaking lucky you found a real one

995
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 4: a ride or unlive.

996
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 3: Ride or freaking unlive man.

997
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 7: He's got to be like the best because if my

998
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 7: partner's mom.

999
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: Was like this, yeah, there's got to be something amazing

1000
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 3: about this man because she's little wheezed.

1001
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 4: Every part of him is great.

1002
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 3: He's really really hot.

1003
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 4: I couldn't say no to his mom.

1004
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 3: Ken's I know, mama's boy.

1005
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 4: What was that Matthew McConaughey movie where he still lived

1006
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 4: at home? I have no idea failure to launch?

1007
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 3: All right, all right, all right, and hallo Dannielle or Danielle,

1008
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 3: I don't know, Sarah Jessica Parker. I thank you for

1009
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 3: joining our lives. But there is a last update and

1010
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 3: I think Susan Sarandon as well.

1011
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, sor right, that was the last part

1012
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 6: of that bit. I just thought that continually cast.

1013
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 3: Actually, I think there's six more people that I have

1014
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 3: to mention, but there is a final update, maybe penultimate.

1015
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 3: I'm not quite sure how many updates just left.

1016
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,479
Speaker 4: Penultimate great word, I love that word.

1017
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 3: But anyway, I think that it seems like they're on

1018
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 3: the path of their staying together. I don't think divorce

1019
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 3: is really on the table here, but I think he

1020
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 3: needs individual therapy. You absolutely both need marriage counseling, and

1021
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 3: you need to set up show the strong boundaries. I

1022
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 3: honestly think I think I think you need to go

1023
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 3: like no contact with her, because she's it's on his

1024
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 3: credit card.

1025
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 6: From totally fine, she's committing crimes against him, she's threatening you.

1026
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 6: You want nothing to do with her, and you shouldn't

1027
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 6: be forced to have anything.

1028
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 4: To do with her for the sake of what appearances exactly.

1029
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 3: And I also think that if he gets a little

1030
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 3: bit of contact with her, it's gonna be like he's

1031
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 3: already told you he can't say no to his mom.

1032
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 3: So if like if he if you give him an

1033
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 3: end she's taken. He's taken five miles and.

1034
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 4: That's a product of like clearly an abusive. Absolutely absolutely.

1035
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 6: I'm just saying, but he needs He said he'll do

1036
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 6: the therapy, yeah, right.

1037
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 4: Which is good.

1038
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that I don't think that low contact

1039
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 3: would work for him. I think that he needs to

1040
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 3: go no contact because I think that if he spends

1041
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 3: any time around his mom, he'll just revert back.

1042
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 6: At least until they yeah, yeah, until some form of

1043
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 6: progress is made and he's able to be like yeah,

1044
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 6: because right now I think and doesn't work, and then.

1045
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 4: She goes blah blah blah blah blah. He can go

1046
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 4: you know what.

1047
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 3: I already told you what mom? So I'm done to

1048
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 3: work because she is. Yeah, she's done a number. But

1049
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 3: there is an update, so we're gonna get into it.

1050
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 4: Did a whole What do you thought? I was trying

1051
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 4: to think of a play? What was that? Was it? Annie?

1052
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 5: That?

1053
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 6: Never mind a musical number? She did because she played him.

1054
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 6: There's a huge smudge on these now I can't see

1055
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 6: being wicked.

1056
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 3: Update five. I logged into Reddit by chance. I'm gonna

1057
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 3: update you on the last two months. Kapa mailed us

1058
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 3: a check a week after our phone call. It cleared

1059
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 3: and our credit remains on lockdown. She also has kept

1060
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 3: pretty quiet. Dear husband unlocked her but had her on mute.

1061
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 3: She did text a few times, but he would not

1062
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 3: open them until we were together. We started Copple's counseling

1063
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 3: Amazing Alternative individual on the off weeks amazing. I felt good, optimistic. Hey,

1064
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 3: I don't need to update, ha ha.

1065
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 1: Ha uh uh oh, the badness is coming.

1066
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 3: Every year, dear husband and I host a Fourth of

1067
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 3: July party, complete with some insane fireworks that border on illegal.

1068
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 4: Kapa Usually I like that.

1069
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 3: Kappa usually is invited, but because of her craziness, she wasn't.

1070
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 3: He texted dear husband about it, but he ignored her.

1071
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 3: He didn't feel strong enough to respond, and she had

1072
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 3: blocked my number. Good on him, Good on him. I

1073
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 3: did send her a text, but she didn't get it

1074
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 3: because of this petty butt move. Anyway, we had dear

1075
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 3: husband's siblings there. We all had a Marguerita fueled heart

1076
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 3: to heart about Kappa as the party wound down. Guys, guys,

1077
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 3: she's only been escalating since brother in law one got married.

1078
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 3: They are no contact because she's discriminatory. All of his

1079
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 3: siblings detailed all the crazy stuff she did, but it's

1080
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 3: clear dear husband is her magnum opus. They talked about

1081
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 3: how she drove off his high school girlfriends, how she

1082
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 3: would listen in on her conversations via the old school

1083
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 3: phone trick yikes. Dear husband then divulged. This continued when

1084
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 3: we started dating. All those early emails and Facebook messages

1085
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 3: she read. He would recap dates for her. They lived

1086
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 3: together in the first few months before he moved in

1087
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 3: with a roommate. How she stopped talking to him after

1088
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 3: he moved out because she felt abandoned. Apparently, Dear husband

1089
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 3: never told his therapist. He since has, But why I

1090
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 3: was in shock, my sweet baby angel, Dear husband, any

1091
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 3: fellow on a Liveno's will get this, just thought that

1092
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 3: all of this was normal normal. I just can't. I mean,

1093
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 3: he's been so so gasly that's what you're around.

1094
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 4: He's been just.

1095
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: So trained to think of the like, think like this

1096
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 3: because his mom sucks.

1097
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 6: When you're brought up in an environment like that for

1098
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 6: that that long, it's just of course you're gonna think

1099
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 6: it's normal.

1100
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again, he was the last kid in the

1101
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 3: house like he was stuck in that for so much

1102
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 3: longer than his siblings.

1103
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 6: Man, and he was the magnum opus, as they said Max.

1104
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 6: I just chuckled because Riley came in like, I can't

1105
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 6: even describe how he looked, Are you to be get

1106
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 6: one like me? Had the sunglasses on, and then he

1107
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 6: had his keys. He had the keys in his mouth,

1108
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 6: just dangling, and he had packages in his arms like incense.

1109
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 7: And now it smells like tacos.

1110
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 4: I did not wait, what are you talking about?

1111
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.

1112
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 4: I don't smell any.

1113
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 7: You don't like that. I like that smell, but like dude,

1114
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 7: but that it gives Dakota headaches.

1115
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 4: It does no only sage. Sage gives me headache.

1116
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 3: Okay, well anyway, but after the fourth party, Kappa made

1117
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 3: her move. Kapa showed up to dear Husband's office right

1118
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 3: before he left for lunch and was sitting next to

1119
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 3: his car on the ground. I wasn't there, but it

1120
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 3: was probably as terrifying and creepy as we're all imagining.

1121
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 3: Dear husband managed to tell her to leave. He told

1122
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 3: me he was begging her to leave. At one point,

1123
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 3: she just wanted to talk, and then she started crying.

1124
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 3: She grabbed his wrist and refused to let go. At

1125
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 3: one point, he said she was able to maneuver herself

1126
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 3: to sobbing on his shoulder. This is his job. People

1127
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 3: were staring, so he asked her to get in his car.

1128
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 3: He didn't want people gossiping. We later talked about how

1129
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 3: he got manipulated, which he knows and recognizes now and

1130
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 3: I recognize that you guys need to listen to full

1131
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 3: episodes of stories just like this. Just go to Spotify,

1132
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 3: Apple Podcasts, or your favorite podcast stapp in search of

1133
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 3: Pookay storytime.

1134
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 6: No manipulation needed, No manipulation. Well you need straight thou

1135
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 6: it or your fingers or you could even type with

1136
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 6: your nose probably or your tongue, any anything.

1137
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I mean, you can sanitize your phone.

1138
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 4: Anything is an option.

1139
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 3: But anyway that there's a little bit left to the story.

1140
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 7: Thirty years than your toilet.

1141
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's where I sanitize mine. You're gonna throw me

1142
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 6: that sanitizer at the end of the story.

1143
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 7: You drink it.

1144
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 4: No, showing up to your work.

1145
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 6: Is like that's like and then like making a scene

1146
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 6: is like I'm like, I'm like, ma, ma, I might

1147
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 6: have to tasting time away because I like hate you,

1148
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 6: I don't love you crazy whatever, it's because you are

1149
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 6: literally a detriment to my financial stability at this point.

1150
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kat says they need a restraining order. Dredd says

1151
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 3: he kind of had to get her out of there.

1152
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 3: It could have cost him his job. I want that.

1153
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I have the other you want it, Yeah,

1154
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 3: we'll give it to that. We'll give it to someone else, Okay.

1155
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 3: Scy and Middle Earth Chice is how though? Does he

1156
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 3: have no friends? What is that in relation to like,

1157
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 3: how did how did she gas like him?

1158
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 4: That might maybe they're earlier in the story. Perhaps, I'm

1159
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 4: not sure, but there is a little bit left to

1160
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 4: the story.

1161
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 3: I do think they need to either get a restraining

1162
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 3: order or put up some pretty heavy boundaries of like

1163
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 3: no contact, because.

1164
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think no contact is fine at this point,

1165
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 6: or it's like no IRL contact, yeah, absolutely, and just

1166
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 6: FaceTime start from there, or just even like sleep fees

1167
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 6: to just show up.

1168
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 7: To wherever you are.

1169
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, just be.

1170
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 3: Like, hey, mom, you're gonna have to day sixty two

1171
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 3: of being apart from you, hope, you're less crazy.

1172
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 4: Now, hope you're less crazy. I'm doing great.

1173
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 3: I'm doing really well.

1174
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 4: No, you might not like that.

1175
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 6: Maybe invest a second vehicle so when she like, yeah,

1176
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 6: shits behind your car and we'll let you leave, you

1177
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 6: can go to another.

1178
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 4: Secret vehicle that she doesn't know about.

1179
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 3: Brilliant, But let's finish this story, y'all. They went to

1180
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 3: his lunch spot and she complained about why they couldn't

1181
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 3: go somewhere nicer. Dear husband continued to do his best

1182
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 3: imitation of someone who couldn't care and told him he

1183
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 3: wasn't buying her lunch here or anywhere. He just needed

1184
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 3: to get removed from his job. She told him she

1185
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 3: is ill, she's depressed and low, that he did this

1186
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 3: to her, that she can't go on without her last

1187
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 3: on to keep her company, and dear husband broke. He cried.

1188
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 3: He said he felt utterly lost and confused. She then

1189
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 3: took this chance to blame me instead of trying to

1190
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 3: comfort her son. Then the effing clouds parted. Dear husband

1191
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 3: said he was going to the restroom, went out the

1192
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 3: side door and left her sitting in a potbelly. Yeah,

1193
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 3: just left her, Yes, dude, come back, We had a

1194
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,919
Speaker 3: Jamie Lanister comeback story here, and I'm proud of you, man,

1195
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 3: before it goes bad. Apparently this is a middle Jamie

1196
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 3: Latinister that it.

1197
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 4: Just late late Jamie, late Jamie.

1198
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 3: Jamie middle to late Jamie Lanister. And I'm proud of you, dude.

1199
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 3: I'm proud of you. I was pretty hard on you

1200
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 3: in the beginning of the story and I think that's

1201
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 3: still still fair. Still a hold too true to that,

1202
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 3: but I'm proud of you.

1203
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 6: Now.

1204
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 7: Hope he doesn't do a season with a season seven

1205
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 7: or season eight.

1206
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, don't do a season seven, season eight, season eight,

1207
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 6: season seven.

1208
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 3: He just left her. He ended up coming home. We

1209
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 3: cuddled and went to therapy. Nice. She's back to harassing me,

1210
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 3: and I'm considering Richie have to shut her butt down.

1211
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 3: Not sure yet, but dear husband trying so hard and

1212
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 3: is really making progress. Good God to be man.

1213
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 4: We like to hear that we like progress. We do

1214
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 4: like progress.

1215
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 3: Here, and we've progressed to the end of that story.

1216
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,720
Speaker 6: It is don't let your mother's or your in laws

1217
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 6: walk all over you.

1218
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 3: It's true moral of the story. If your mom's freaking crazy,

1219
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 3: you gotta create some distance.

1220
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 7: You gotta get crazy, like, you got to get crazier

1221
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:26,439
Speaker 7: than the mom.

1222
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 4: Listen to the people around you, Yeah, who are telling you?

1223
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 3: You know and your partner are all saying your.

1224
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 7: Mom's right, make her scared of you.

1225
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 4: Sometimes when you're the victim, it's.

1226
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 6: Really hard to see that you're actually like in the

1227
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 6: middle of like a really bad like relationship.

1228
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 4: Or dynamic or whatever you want to call it.

1229
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 6: It's like but a lot of times people around you

1230
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 6: can see it very clearly, and they will try to

1231
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 6: tell you about it.

1232
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 3: Because they have perspective.

1233
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 6: So if you are like, why is everyone telling me this,

1234
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 6: you should go, oh, maybe maybe they're.

1235
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 4: Right, Maybe that is really happening. Stinks. How did they

1236
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 4: end up? It's spun spam spam.

1237
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 7: Spun spun spun like a little babe blade.

1238
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 4: I'll get it.

1239
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 3: But that is the end of that story and the

1240
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 3: end of this episode. D Coda is reaching for a

1241
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 3: fortune cookie. He got it. Whoo bus. If you love us,

1242
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 3: make sure to subscribe.

1243
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 4: We love you and see tomorrow. This is an episode

1244
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 4: from Deep within the Archives.

1245
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: Time for okop relam.

1246
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 2: Bomb invoices me for the cost of raising me as

1247
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 2: a child. Fine, I have a plan.

1248
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, we've we've heard some Karens and parents

1249
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: doing some crazy things.

1250
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 4: This one we haven't heard before. And that's very.

1251
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 2: Probably pretty expensive because like the average cost of raising

1252
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 2: a kid is like five hundred thousand dollars in a lifetime.

1253
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 4: Insane. It's just hilarioly more.

1254
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: I'm just imagining his mom opening up quick books and

1255
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: be like, all right, invoice number forty seven swimming lessons,

1256
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: two million dollars for raising my child.

1257
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 2: Well, let's see, our household always were around money. Even

1258
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 2: though my mom made more than enough money and we

1259
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 2: were not struggling by any means, she complained about every

1260
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 2: single thing she had to buy for us, everything food, clothes,

1261
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: medical expenses, toys, laptops and bones, school CAUs every day

1262
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 2: we always knew exactly how much we were costing her.

1263
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 2: We didn't dare ask for the unnecessary things like leisure

1264
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 2: activities or expensive toys or hobby supplies. We started working

1265
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 2: very young, and she manipulated and guilted us into giving

1266
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 2: all of our money that we earned to pay off

1267
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 2: what we owed.

1268
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 4: Dude, what would you do if your mom did this too?

1269
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: Like maybe like food and like clothes, like basic, like

1270
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: basic food, basic clothes, basic shelter. It's like I didn't

1271
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: choose to be bored.

1272
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 3: I didn't do that.

1273
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 2: Maybe you should have wrapped it if you didn't want

1274
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 2: all these expenses. When I turned eighteen, she completely cut

1275
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 2: me off financially, but kindly offered to let me rent

1276
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 2: my bedroom but kindly offered to let me rent my

1277
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 2: bedroom out for her wow, and sent me an invoice

1278
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 2: of every cent I've ever cost her, totaling over seven

1279
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars. She build me for Christmas and birthday present.

1280
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 2: She even builled me for her medical expenses for the

1281
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: pregnancy and delivery, and wanted me to back pay rent

1282
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 2: to live in the house from birth. She did the

1283
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 2: same to my sister two years later when she turned eighteen.

1284
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 2: We were supposed to pay her back over time, starting

1285
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 2: the day we each turned eighteen.

1286
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 4: Oh it's crazy, Actually, that's maybe right.

1287
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,919
Speaker 1: I mean, the concept already is just off the charts,

1288
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: but the fact that she kept track is even crazier.

1289
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: And she charged for the pregnancy and the back dated rent.

1290
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 4: It's my birthday presence.

1291
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god, doesn't how to get birthday presents? Does

1292
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 2: she do that? With all her friends too. It's like, Hey,

1293
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 2: I gave you this birthday present. You can have it

1294
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 2: for five years, and then I expect something of equal

1295
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 2: or more value.

1296
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 4: Here's my invoice.

1297
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 7: What if?

1298
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 1: She was sort of like, I hope you enjoyed that place,

1299
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: that little kiddo, because it's going to cost you.

1300
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Like both of us were still dealing with

1301
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 2: a lot of internalized guilt from her constant manipulation. So

1302
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 2: we actually did pay for a while. No, aside from

1303
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 2: necessary expenses, our entire paychecks were going to her. We

1304
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 2: rented our bedrooms in her house, and she separated her

1305
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,760
Speaker 2: food cleaning supplies, cookwear, and tableware, et cetera from ours.

1306
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 4: And charged us to use them.

1307
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 2: She generously included the use of the household if appliances

1308
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Speaker 2: in our rent. And it wasn't until I was twenty

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Speaker 2: one and my sister was nineteen that enough people told

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Speaker 2: us that this whole arrangement was unhinged that we finally

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Speaker 2: snapped out of it. We moved out together and stopped

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Speaker 2: paying our mom or even contacting her at all.

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Speaker 4: Holy moly, guys, I want.

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Speaker 2: To know from you, who's the a hole, Who's the angel?

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Speaker 2: I've never heard of this in my life. But John,

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Speaker 2: what would you do in this situation?

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Speaker 1: Also, if anyone has been through an experience, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know there's some crazy moms out there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: just where to beget your own mother in placing you

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Speaker 1: for your own birth. I mean, it's it's.

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Speaker 4: Just the birth is the craziest. It's just beyond sanity arehension.

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Speaker 1: And also the fact like Op was doing it for

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Speaker 1: like three or four years, from like eighteen to twenty one.

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Speaker 2: I mean that is like just shows like the level

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Speaker 2: of manipulation that you can have from birth and you

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Speaker 2: don't even realize how your childhood is until like a

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Speaker 2: bunch of people are like, what the fuck?

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Speaker 1: It's scary. So, in conclusion, mom is a whole horror shower.

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Speaker 2: I intentionally sabotaged my group project so these freeloaders would fail.

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Speaker 4: Okayop, this is Okayop.

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Speaker 2: I'm Samuel Donner and I'm John from and we tell

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Speaker 2: the funniest stories on the Internet. And John, I got

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Speaker 2: a super cool thing from Amazon.

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Speaker 4: Basically, Oh, what did you get? I want to see it? Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 4: I will.

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Speaker 2: I will preface it by saying that it makes me

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00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 2: feel very dignified, dignified.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And the thing with Sam is if he tells

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Speaker 1: you bought he bought something, you truly don't know what

1340
00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: it's going to be. Wow, doesn and it works like

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Speaker 1: it's a real.

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Speaker 2: Really wow, And I feel just like so official, Like

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00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 2: I feel like a I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Your entire elegance literally leveled, like like before like you

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00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: were wearing the jacket, but now that the jacket feels

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00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: like a piece of elegance somehow, and it's.

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Speaker 4: Like it's like I can think of that. Yeah.

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00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I feel like I feel like I can

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00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 2: make better decisions.

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00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 4: Oh definitely. Yeah.

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00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 2: Well, at some point I will let you try this out. Beautiful, beautiful,

1352
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 2: beautiful pipe. But although, but although this pipe is quite dignified,

1353
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 2: sometimes when you're so founded by others who don't share

1354
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 2: those same qualities of refinementtions class, you have to do

1355
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 2: some unclassy things and maybe some sabotage.

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01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 5: Uh.

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01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 2: Oh, I intentionally sabotaged my group project.

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01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 4: So these freeloaders would fail.

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01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 3: Oh.

1360
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 2: I was inspired by another post which triggered the heck

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01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 2: out of me and resulted in this post. So there

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01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 2: was this college project where it was assigned to a

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01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 2: group of five. We didn't know each other, and I'm

1364
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 2: convinced teachers do this not so we learn how to

1365
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 2: work in groups, but rather so they have to only

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01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 2: mark six papers instead of thirty, just making it easier

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01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 2: for the natures. Yep, So let me tell you a

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01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 2: little bit about this group. One of the other four

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01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 2: showed up to one of our team meetings once. The

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01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 2: others never showed up at all.

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Speaker 1: Geez, guys, like, calm down, stop, you know you don't

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Speaker 1: have to go.

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Speaker 4: Home, guys.

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01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 2: The one who did show up brought no work, no laptop,

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01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 2: no pen or paper. Was just there sitting looking into

1376
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 2: my eyes with a look that only a half brain

1377
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 2: dud mouse could Everyone had a specific section to work on,

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01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 2: and we were to present in class as a group

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01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 2: throughout the term. This is a whole term project, by

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01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 2: the way.

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Speaker 4: Whole last term.

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01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 2: Throughout the whole last term, we had a Google doc

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01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 2: where we could upload our work. One signed on once

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01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 2: and did nothing else. One asked one question saying what

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01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 2: the helf this is even about? One said this is

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01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 2: stropper and I'm not doing it. The other one copy

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01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 2: and pasted from Wikipedia, and that was the contribution of

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01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 2: the other.

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01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 4: Four group members.

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01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 2: Everything was divided evenly, and every week we were to

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01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 2: check in with our professor in regards to questions or problems.

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01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 2: I did it hold back. I simply asked, what would

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01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 2: happen if I only do my part because the other

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01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 2: four were flaking out and not even coming to class.

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01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 2: Her response, We'd all fail, so dumb, so fine.

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01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 4: I did everything.

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01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 2: Day of the presentation, they all showed up for the

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01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 2: first time ever. This project was worth forty percent of

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01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 2: our great Wow. The class had a copy of the presentation,

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01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 2: and the professor had a line by line version of

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01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 2: what we were going to present, as well as a

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01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 2: written report. I gave the introduction and let the other

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01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 2: four present their parts. They never once asked to see

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01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 2: any of it or read any of it beforehand. They

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01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 2: were just going to present on whatever. Okay, The power

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01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 2: point was just a photo, no text, and none of

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01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 2: them had anything to say. One tried to sum up

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01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 2: my introduction and he looked worse for trying. The others

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01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 2: simply refuse to go to the podium. What I did

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Speaker 2: not do was put text on the PowerPoint for any parts,

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01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 2: which means I had to memorize my intro, my section,

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01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 2: and the conclusion. In my support for the conclusion, I

1413
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 2: summarized what they were supposed to say, so it made sense.

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01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 2: The written report only had my name on it, and

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01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 2: I included an indendum for the other four people's contribution.

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01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 2: In total, it was a print out of our work

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01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 2: on the Google doc which had all their names and contributions,

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01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 2: including plagiarized Wikipedia section.

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01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: And I'm also imagining just like the comment of like,

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01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: what the F is this? This is stupid? Just yeah,

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01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: just old for everyone to see in the addendum. This

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01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: was the only contribution. My group was pissed.

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01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 2: They were pissed at me for not including the text,

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01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 2: or specifically for screwing up their parts. They didn't even

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01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,959
Speaker 2: know the topic of the presentation, let alone what they were.

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01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 4: Supposed to say.

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01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 2: Oh my god, my professor said we'd all get the

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01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 2: same grade, and because four out of the five sections

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01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 2: were incomplete, it would be a failing grade.

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01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 4: Who are these teachers? Like do they want you to learn?

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01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: Like, like, clearly this person put forth effort and clearly

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01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: they didn't. So how are you going to reward nothing

1433
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 1: and punish like greatness?

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01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 2: Greatness Opie's greatness. I don't know, man, but I was

1435
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 2: going in so but Ope was going into that presentation

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01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 2: with a ninety eight percent. So even if op got

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01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 2: a zero, they'd still pass the course. But there was

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01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 2: no way I was accepting that. There's an appeal process

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01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 2: that goes to the chair of the program and then

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01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 2: the dean of the school. On the day of the

1441
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 2: appeal meeting with the chair of the program, I was

1442
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 2: informed that they decided I would be graded for my

1443
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,919
Speaker 2: part and the other four would get a zero.

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01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 4: Oh.

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01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 2: I got an eighty five, which honestly was a low

1446
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 2: grade for that work, but the other four failed the program.

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01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 2: If I had put this is an interesting point. Yeah,

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01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 2: if I had put the text in the power point

1449
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 2: and just let them read it, we probably would have

1450
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 2: passed and would have upped my average from a ninety

1451
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 2: three percent to a ninety five percent or something like that.

1452
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 2: But I regret nothing. It was so worth it to

1453
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 2: get that sweet sweet justice of all those freeloaders getting

1454
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 2: a big fat zero.

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01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: Seriously, two percent is well well worth like it. Just

1456
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: it just makes your skin crawl. Those people that just

1457
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 1: take advantage of all the work that you're doing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't believe it. I can't believe it honestly,

1459
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 2: like I have no sympathy for those freeloaders. And if

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01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 2: you don't want to be a freeloader and you want

1461
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,880
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01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:58,360
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