1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. I'm Ryan Recker. 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: Our guest was a big part of the military Stargate 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 2: remote viewing program and today you can find them online 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: ourviewer dot com, the nonprofit International Remote Viewing Association. Paul Smith, 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 2: thank you for joining us. And you know, I'm going 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: to be quite frank in this assessment and you can 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: tell me your thoughts on it, because it's kind of 9 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: interesting in the world we live today, where you have 10 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: all these electronics coming out of China and they put 11 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 2: spywear on it, and people are voluntarily giving up information 12 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 2: on social media and they're posting photos. It's never been easier, 13 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: I think, for the government to access information that at 14 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: one time was not accessible to the everyday person. Is 15 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 2: that taking the place a remote viewing? 16 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 3: Like? 17 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: How is remote viewing looked at today when it seems 18 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: like all the information that you were asked to look 19 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: up during Stargate could probably be found by an amateur online. 20 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 3: Well, that's a fair question, and I think the answer 21 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 3: is yes mostly. Okay, So yeah, you see a lot 22 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 3: of things we don't need anymore. The SR seventy one, 23 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 3: you know that the blackbird don't need that anymore. I've 24 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 3: got all these other things to replace it. Remote viewing. 25 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 3: A lot of the things that we were trying to 26 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: dig up, you know, using remote viewing, they can use 27 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 3: other means today to get actually more precise, more accurate 28 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 3: information about so but there are still things that remote 29 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 3: viewing could be useful for because even in the past 30 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 3: it was used for those things we couldn't none of 31 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 3: our technical means could get at, none of our other 32 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 3: intelligence disciplines can get at. There are still those kinds 33 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 3: of things we still oftentimes, well, we don't have access 34 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 3: inside the you know, the Kremlin. I say that, I 35 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 3: don't think we do. We might have somebody in there 36 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 3: we don't know. That's not acknowledged, right, But there are 37 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 3: certainly plenty of things we don't know about it. And 38 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 3: there's a further advantage, and they're remote viewing can be 39 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 3: useful in collecting information from the past. So if you 40 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 3: needed to find out some details about something, Let's say 41 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 3: there was an event that happened that wasn't on our radar. 42 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 3: We didn't know what happened, and then we find out later. Oh, 43 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 3: that's something we need to know about. You could use 44 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 3: remote viewers at least get some information from that. It 45 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 3: is useful to some degree to the future. It's not 46 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,119 Speaker 3: quite as as successful as a lot of people think 47 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 3: it ought to be in terms of getting information from 48 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 3: the future. But it can be done, and it has 49 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 3: been done. And so those are things that none of 50 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 3: our technical or regular intelligence discipline means can do a past. 51 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 3: Maybe you could do some investigation or something future. Obviously 52 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 3: that's something that we can't We can't actually get any 53 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 3: information about until it happens. Under most circumstances, remote viewing 54 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 3: can help to some degree with that. 55 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 2: Wow, this remote viewing. It's interesting to think you can 56 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 2: look back in time as if you were a time traveler. 57 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 2: So how far back can you look in time? 58 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 3: I will give you one example, my example, and that's 59 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 3: the best I can do. So one of the problems 60 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 3: with the course of looking back in time is and 61 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 3: finding out whether you actually were right or not. So 62 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 3: if somebody, you know it's been popular in some quarters, 63 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 3: say well I want to remote you the Crucifixion. Okay, 64 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 3: to remote you the Crucifixion. Well, did the information you 65 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 3: dig up from that. Was it accurate or not? Don't know. 66 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 3: You can't go back and check right the biblical accounts. 67 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 3: People who believe in the Bible are convinced they're accurate. 68 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 3: Other people are not so convinced. So we don't know 69 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 3: how that goes. But if we can remote view something 70 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 3: that we back that maybe distant in the past, but 71 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 3: we have a historical record of, then then you can 72 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 3: actually verify, at least to some agree that you really 73 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 3: were there. So I'll tell you a story about that. 74 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 3: Back in nineteen ninety the Stargate folks were tasked to 75 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 3: support joint the various joint task force who were doing 76 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 3: counter narcotics operations. And as you can imagine, some of 77 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 3: the staff and these joint task forces, the military and 78 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 3: government civilians were a little dubious about what we were doing. 79 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 3: I didn't really believe it. I was able to actually 80 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 3: do a demonstration session for an admiral, the admirals in 81 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 3: charge in one of the joint task forces, and it 82 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 3: was successful. It blew his mind and he was a 83 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: big supporter from that point on. So that worked. But 84 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 3: there was an Army major who's the operations officer for 85 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 3: this particular joint task force and he had to deal 86 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 3: with us, and he didn't he didn't necessarily believe in 87 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 3: this stuff at all. So he wanted to give me 88 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 3: a test. And he says, Paul, will you come with 89 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 3: me over to one of our viewing rooms. And there's 90 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 3: nothing on the schedule. I said, well, okay. So he 91 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 3: takes me in the viewing room, we sit down and says, 92 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 3: you know, I got to have some kind of evidence 93 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 3: that this stuff is real or I'm going to have 94 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 3: a real hard time supporting you guys. I said, okay. 95 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 3: He said, what I want. What I would like you 96 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 3: to do is remote view a target that I have picked. 97 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 3: I've written on a piece of paper, folded it over 98 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 3: about ten times. He thought, maybe I can see through 99 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 3: his through his pockets and. 100 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 2: Going back to what you said before, blind to the target. 101 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 2: This is what you're de scribing. 102 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 3: Yes, he put yeah, he wrote down, put it in 103 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 3: a piece of paper before he ever talked to me, 104 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 3: stuck it in his pocket, said the identity of the 105 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 3: targets in my pocket. I want you to remote view it. 106 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 3: And I'm not going to say anything, obviously, not going 107 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 3: to tell me. So I sit down and I'm going, 108 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 3: oh crap, If I blow this, it's gonna be we're 109 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: gonna have trouble here, because this guy will then believe 110 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 3: it doesn't work. And so I thought, okay, lot's rolling 111 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 3: on this. I'll do my best, and I sit down 112 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 3: at the table, I got my paper and everything, and 113 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 3: I start remote viewing the target that he wanted me 114 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 3: to remote view. And I'm going, I don't know what 115 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 3: it is, which is how you always feel, and okay, 116 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 3: and I started getting impression of of kind of rolling hills, 117 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 3: very heavily vegetated trees and and and and grass and 118 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 3: all kinds of stuff, and it was misty, cloudy, very wet. 119 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 3: It is almost like there's a fog. And then I 120 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 3: get this impression of a bunch of people who are 121 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 3: seem kind of primitive. They seem to be dressed in 122 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 3: in uh in rough clothing, leather and stuff, and they 123 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 3: had edged weapons and they were hacking at each other. 124 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 3: I'm going, oh, craud, I'm really, I'm really going out 125 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 3: on a limb on this. He's gonna shut down right away. 126 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 3: And I get into describing this, and then all of 127 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 3: a sudden, he says, Okay, that's enough I believe you. Wow, okay, 128 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 3: what in his pocket? And he pulls out that paper 129 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 3: and hands it to me, and I unfold it about 130 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 3: ten time before I get to it, and the target 131 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 3: was the Battle of Hastings ten sixty six. Ad. 132 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: Wow, how about that? 133 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 3: Okay? 134 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 2: So instances like that when you are remote viewing something 135 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 2: in the past, and that's a fantastic example. By the way, 136 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: is it like you are watching a movie or is 137 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: it like you're looking at a painting, or is it 138 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 2: that you're just getting fragments of information what's going on 139 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: in your mind during the moment like that? 140 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, the fragments of information is the closest, but it 141 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 3: kind of evolves as you get deeper into a session. 142 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 3: So when you first start off, all you get is 143 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 3: a very brief, almost subconscious impression of what kind of target? 144 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,239 Speaker 3: Is it? A structure? Is it water? Is it land? 145 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 3: It's more complex obviously that I'm describing it here, but 146 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 3: I'm going to try and make it understandable. So you 147 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 3: get just a sort of an idea of the thing. 148 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 3: But what kind of thing is it? Right? And I 149 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 3: don't mean even in terms of like it's a cheese 150 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 3: grater or it's a or it's a pumpkin or something. 151 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 3: It's just it's an object, it's a it's a some 152 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 3: kind of structure, it's some kind of water, some kind 153 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,679 Speaker 3: of land, just very general. And then you start getting 154 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 3: bits and pieces, so I call it fragments of perception, 155 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 3: So colors, textures, smells, tastes, sounds coming in little bits, right, 156 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 3: and then you start getting kind of a feeling for 157 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 3: the shapes and for the dimensions of it. It's big, 158 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 3: it's rounded, there's something slanting here, something's jagged, and then 159 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 3: that stuff starts to come together and you're able to 160 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 3: start sketching. At first, are very rough, but as you 161 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 3: get deeper into the session, they get more and more 162 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 3: like the target. Now you don't know they're like the target, 163 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 3: because you don't yet know what the target is, but 164 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 3: they're starting to kind of have come a shape and 165 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 3: maybe a form and kind of starting to giving you 166 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 3: ideas of what it might be. And then ultimately you 167 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 3: get to the point where you actually sometimes can get 168 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 3: a very accurate visual experience of it. But what's more 169 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 3: important is not that. What's important is the non tangent, 170 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 3: the intangible information you're getting, like its purposes. It's nature, 171 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 3: the kinds of things that go on here, that kind 172 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 3: of stuff that comes in as well, and a lot 173 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 3: of that is you don't see it, you don't hear it, 174 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 3: you don't smell it. You just know it's I call it. 175 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 3: I call it well non local knowing, kind of non 176 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 3: local knowing. You just know it. You don't know how 177 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 3: you know it, but you write it down your verbal eye. 178 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 3: And then of course when you're all done, you get 179 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 3: your feedback, assuming this is like a practice target, and 180 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 3: then you can compare what you got to what the 181 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 3: target is. And if you're on it'll blow your mind literally, 182 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 3: you know. 183 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: And can I tell you one of the things when 184 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 2: we do topics like this on coast to coast, I 185 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 2: get worried. I think, Okay, what if an enthusiast who's 186 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 2: trying to test out their remote viewing abilities are trying 187 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 2: to remote view into my studio right now? What if 188 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 2: they're trying to watch me? Is something like that even possible? 189 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 3: Well, first off, you know, it's really not very tasteful 190 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 3: to be there in your pajamas, and what a mess 191 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: you need to clean that place up. 192 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 2: I know, So could you say you could see things like, 193 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: if I were to challenge you to look in my office, 194 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 2: would you be able to do that? Or is that 195 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: something that's not possible. 196 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 3: So it's possible. But here's the thing. You couldn't say, 197 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 3: tell me what's in my office? Right? And the reason 198 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: is when you say that, instantly, I'll think of all 199 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 3: the offer as I've ever been in my life. Right, 200 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 3: i won't probably think of all of them, but I'll 201 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 3: have a representative thoughts about them, and I'll think, well, 202 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 3: there's a stapler in there, and I know you're on 203 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 3: the air, so I'll say, well, I see a microphone, 204 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 3: you know. And so my left brain is supplying a 205 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 3: lot of information that's just guesses and based on pre 206 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 3: existing knowledge, and isn't isn't typical, you know, that isn't 207 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 3: done anything do the remote viewing at all. And that's 208 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 3: one of the features what we call mental noise. Mental 209 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 3: noise is the biggest issue with remote viewing in that 210 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 3: your brain keeps wanting to tell you what it is, 211 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 3: even when it doesn't have enough information to tell you 212 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 3: what it is. Right. One of the things you learn 213 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 3: with remote viewing is to let the information flow in 214 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 3: and don't try and understand it. Just let come in, 215 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 3: describe it, put it down, and don't try Well, I 216 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 3: want to know what it is. As soon as you 217 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 3: have that thought, your left brain will give you the 218 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 3: wrong answers. 219 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 2: Interesting is that it's a lot of numbers. 220 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 3: A lot of numbers won't work. No, there are ways 221 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 3: to try to do that. Every once in a while. 222 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 3: It's weird. We don't know what it is. It's kind 223 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 3: of like a wild kind of something, wild thing happening, 224 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 3: and once in a while people will get numbers and 225 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 3: they'll turn out to be right, and frank, we don't 226 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 3: know how that works, and it doesn't work very often. 227 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 3: It's a very rare, rare thing. I wish we could 228 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 3: figure out. If you can figure out how to get 229 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 3: numbers reliably, you could write your own check. 230 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 2: It'd be Greaty, I know you can just do that. 231 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 3: Sure. 232 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because you have the remote viewing instructional 233 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 2: services our viewer dot com and you teach people how 234 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 2: to do this. What's that process? 235 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: Like? 236 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 2: How hard is it to teach someone this because it 237 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 2: seems so abstract in so many ways? 238 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 3: Well, it is, and it is quite challenging because essentially 239 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 3: you're trying to get someone to learn how to do 240 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,719 Speaker 3: something that you can't write down in a book. It's 241 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 3: an experiential thing. It's like trying to tell somebody how 242 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 3: to feel love, right, and of course that's that's quite challenging. 243 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 3: The best way to do it well, well, first off, 244 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 3: let me say what I teach people. There are three 245 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 3: things I teach them. I teach them how to recognize 246 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 3: the signal as it comes in. And the signal is 247 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 3: very subtle, very nuanced, and it's easily missed even if 248 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 3: you're trying to pay attention to it. So I teach 249 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 3: them how to recognize the signal, what kinds of qualities 250 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 3: to expect. I teach them how to recognize the mental 251 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 3: noise which regularly tries to blanket the signal, tries to 252 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 3: smother it. And then I teach them how to tell 253 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 3: the difference what to do about it. And yeah, now 254 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 3: now that's the that's it sounds simple that, as they say, 255 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 3: the devil's is in the devil is in the details. 256 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 3: And so even though those principles are simple, actually convey 257 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 3: to someone can real challenge. One thing is the person 258 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 3: who's doing it has to be open minded about it. 259 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 3: They may have learned all kinds of different kinds of 260 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 3: psychic behaviors in the past. They have to be able 261 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 3: to let go of those for the for the period 262 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 3: of time they're running a remote viewing because sometimes things 263 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 3: aren't compatible, sometimes they get in the way of each other, 264 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 3: and so they have to be open minded. But the 265 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 3: only way to really do this is teach them the 266 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 3: general theory and the process and the format, and then 267 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 3: put them in an environment where they either have to 268 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 3: remote view or they don't get anything right. 269 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 2: And going back to this example you use before, just 270 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: let's say, you know, fold up a piece of paper, 271 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 2: put in the pocket, they test your skills. How long 272 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 2: did that process take for you to start seeing things? 273 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 3: Well, I started seeing and experiencing things, Sensing things. Seeing 274 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 3: isn't the whole thing. I mean, seeing is just part 275 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 3: of it, right, I started right off. I mean I 276 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 3: we signed into the unit on first to September nineteen 277 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 3: eighty three, and within about a week or two I 278 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 3: had done my first remote viewing session. In fact, that's 279 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 3: what they do. They just tossed you in the in 280 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 3: the in the pool and you get your feet wet 281 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 3: right off. Now, of course, there's little more to it, 282 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 3: and maybe we can take some time in a minute 283 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 3: to I can tell you that experience, because it was 284 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 3: actually quite amusing in a way. But then when we 285 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 3: actually went and did the formal training with Ingo Swan 286 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 3: and how put Off, which was in January of nineteen 287 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 3: eighty four, about what three or four months later. We 288 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 3: then we had lectures, we had exercises, we had simulated 289 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 3: processing so that we could you know, they had us 290 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 3: do simulations of what we're going to do before we 291 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 3: did it, and then we had live remote viewing sessions 292 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 3: were monitored by Engo Swan who is the expert, and 293 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 3: we just did it enough you start there. There's there's 294 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 3: both instruction, education and trial and error in this process, 295 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 3: and we got a lot of trial and error in 296 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 3: addition to everything else. We had less trial and error 297 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 3: because we'd had the instruction and that and I approach 298 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 3: it exactly the same way today when I teach people. 299 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at 300 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to coastam 301 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: dot com for more