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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and welcome to stuff. I never

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Speaker 1: told you production, I heard you, and today Samantha is

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Speaker 1: out sick, but I am very very happy to be

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Speaker 1: joined by a friend of the show contributor, Joey. Welcome back, Joey.

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Speaker 2: Hello, it's me.

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Speaker 3: I'm Samantha McVeigh for.

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Speaker 2: The next.

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Speaker 3: Hour, however long we end up recording. But yeah, thanks

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Speaker 3: for having me.

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Speaker 2: Annie. Always fun to be on the show.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I actually just spoke to Samantha before this and

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Speaker 1: she's she's she's she's got a lost voice, very croaky voice,

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Speaker 1: and she was like, tell Joey, I'm so said, I'll

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Speaker 1: miss it, but we both know it would have been

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Speaker 1: mostly the two of you talking.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Samantha, wherever you are, where you're listening,

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Speaker 3: you are missed, of course, so sad that you're not here.

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Speaker 1: But yes, even if she isn't on our same nerd level,

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Speaker 1: she's always got fun commentary, so we do miss her.

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Speaker 1: But we we we need.

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Speaker 2: Somebody in the room to bring us back to earth, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, Yes, somebody'd be like, no one knows what you're

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Speaker 1: talking about.

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Speaker 2: Nobody knows what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so hopefully we don't go too off the rails

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Speaker 1: in this, But yes, we did want to have you

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Speaker 1: back because we recently had you on when you after

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Speaker 1: you went to flame Con, which was a convention that

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Speaker 1: was largely focused on LGBTQ plus people and creators, and

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Speaker 1: in there, of course we got to talking because both

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Speaker 1: you mentioned you were going to New York Comic Con

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Speaker 1: in October and we were like, well, I would love

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Speaker 3: Yes, I was on earlier this year for flame Con,

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Speaker 3: and yeah, of course Ellie is happy to talk all

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Speaker 2: But yes, I had to go to New York Comic Con.

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Speaker 3: Earlier this month. There's currently still October. I'm all were

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Speaker 2: I this is now the fourth year that I've gone.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I thought it was a time I

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Speaker 3: Things I didn't love this year are sort of you know,

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Speaker 3: this Antie off Mike, we were talking about some of

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Speaker 3: So yes, I did go three days this year.

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Speaker 3: I cosplayed all three days. I made the really good decision.

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Speaker 2: So the Thursday I dressed up.

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Speaker 3: As Wigan from Young Avengers, Agathol Along, et cetera, Marvel Comics,

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Speaker 2: For Flame Con. He's one of my favorite characters.

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Speaker 2: Annie, you know that I originally.

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Speaker 2: It was a fun time, felt good, looked.

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Speaker 1: Good, looked great. Coat sign thank you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, I was saying, and Samantha definitely got some

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Speaker 2: Ran into there. And then day two I dressed up

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Speaker 2: It wasn't terrible. I could have had a worse experience.

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Speaker 2: There's always some fun Star Wars crossovers.

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Speaker 1: Like they've like played it out like we came in

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. I love when people do like all.

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Speaker 3: people I can do like the all out special effects stuff.

443
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 2: Very cool.

444
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,120
Speaker 3: On the note of yeah, I think having the kind

445
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 3: of bias blinders on. I did also see a lot

446
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 3: of arcane cosplays, although I talked to a couple of

447
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,240
Speaker 3: people afterwards too that I was like, I don't know

448
00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 3: if it was just because I was dressed as this

449
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 3: thing and I was looking for people that were also

450
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 3: dressed as this thing, but there was a lot of.

451
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:06,199
Speaker 2: Arcane that was my day that I listen.

452
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,919
Speaker 3: I one of the things that I love about cosplaying

453
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,399
Speaker 3: at these kind of things is like getting to just

454
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,920
Speaker 3: like stop and take pictures with people. I think it's

455
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 3: like micronosing being a celebrity h for a day. And yeah,

456
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 3: so that was super fun. So yeah, shout out to everybody.

457
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,879
Speaker 3: I like kept forgetting to ask people to send me

458
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 3: pictures afterwards.

459
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,400
Speaker 2: So if anybody happened, there's anyone.

460
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 3: Out there that happens to type a picture to me

461
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 3: of me from that, please send it my way.

462
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 2: But that was super fun.

463
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 3: Again, Yeah, it's it's just it's people are so creative

464
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 3: and it's so cool seeing the stuff for the Arcane

465
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 3: ones too. There were a bunch of people that had

466
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 3: like the weapons from the show that they'd like made,

467
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 3: and I I love that stuff. I like if I

468
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 3: had had the time, I would have done the full

469
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,120
Speaker 3: Like I wanted to make her gloves.

470
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 2: And I ran out the time. But it's okay, yes,

471
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 2: I yes, yeah.

472
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 3: But on your point about the meetups too, that is

473
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 3: also something that happens at New York Comic Con.

474
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier.

475
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 3: My friends organized this like an official Percy Jackson one.

476
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,479
Speaker 3: Something I think is interesting because there usually are like

477
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 3: the big ones that like there's a big DC one,

478
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 3: there's a big Marvel one, there's a big Star Wars one.

479
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 3: There's like a specific section they're usually at. There usually

480
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 3: are a couple of smaller ones too. I think though

481
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 3: it sounds like this year, the actual official like Comic Con,

482
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 3: wasn't really sponsoring those. It was like people doing their

483
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 3: own thing. Yeah again, my my friends had done this

484
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 3: Percy Jackson one. I had a couple of friends that

485
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 3: were going to like a critical role made up I

486
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,719
Speaker 3: think on the last day, I can't remember which day

487
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 3: it was specifically, but and that was like another one

488
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,919
Speaker 3: where it was like somebody had just decided to organize

489
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 3: it on their own. I found out later a friend

490
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 3: of a friend had also organized like an arcane one

491
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 3: the Saturday, and I.

492
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 2: Did not hear about it till later, but that I

493
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 2: thought was interesting.

494
00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get a bit more into this, but I

495
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 3: did have some issues, I think, with the organization from

496
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,120
Speaker 3: Comic Con this time, and I think the fact that

497
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 3: there was kind of a blind spot for these meetups

498
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 3: that was being filled by people like putting their own

499
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 3: kind of like time and effort and energy into organizing

500
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 3: things like that.

501
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 2: To me, I was sort of like, that's.

502
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 3: Not great because yeah, again, like last year, my friends

503
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 3: had organized this meetup and they got like, hey, we'll

504
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 3: like put you on the calendar and you'll be in

505
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 3: this space at this specific time, and like they end

506
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 3: up getting calm tickets, which was very nice. By this time,

507
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 3: it kind of was just like Okay, you're on your own,

508
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 3: and it was like great, So now it's on us

509
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 3: to like find a space and like make sure nobody

510
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 3: else like takes that space. And also you know, yeah,

511
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 3: it is like putting time and labor to organizing this thing,

512
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 3: but then it is like not really being supported by

513
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 3: comic Con, but also it's drawing people to comic Con.

514
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know. That just seems a little

515
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 2: itchy to me.

516
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 3: Which brings me to some of my complaints this year.

517
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 2: I think the main two problems were one.

518
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,959
Speaker 3: Tickets got really expensive, and to the crowd.

519
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 2: It was very very crowded this year. And you're probably.

520
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 3: Sitting there thinking like, no, it's gonna be expensive and

521
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a ton of people.

522
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 2: I know, I went into this like I've gone before.

523
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 2: I know it's super crowded.

524
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 3: I think a lot of the issues this year were

525
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 3: like very easily preventable or at least could have been

526
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 3: like alleviated starting with the cost.

527
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 2: So for some reason.

528
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 3: They decided to raise the ticket prices like a month

529
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 3: before the event, and at this point, like they were

530
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 3: almost sold out, Like they didn't need to do this.

531
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 2: I think at this point they actually had sold too

532
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 2: many tickets.

533
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 3: Again, I think going back to the crowd point, like

534
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 3: maybe they should have like sold all the lest I

535
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 3: don't know whatever, like maybe there's something they should have

536
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 3: done to have less people there to begin with. But yeah,

537
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 3: they sent out this email like a month before that

538
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 3: was like make sure you're getting your tickets out because

539
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 3: they're about to go up and like so now, and

540
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 3: they were raising them. They were like with the intention

541
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 3: of next year they're going to be discost They're ninety

542
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 3: dollars a day now, which is a lot of money

543
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 3: for basically, yeah, you're going to go shopping, right, Like

544
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 3: you're going through this thing to spend more money. I

545
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 3: don't think it needs to be that expensive. I'm going

546
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 3: to get back to why I don't think so later.

547
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 3: But the other issue that is the crowd, right, Like

548
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 3: if you're if tickets cost as much, you're the other

549
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 3: side of the problem then too, is Yeah, like there's

550
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 3: like too many people. This has been going on for

551
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 3: like a long time, like New York Kong kinda has

552
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 3: been going on for a long time. At this point,

553
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 3: it's been in the same convention center. There were a

554
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 3: couple of things this year that were different, and I

555
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 3: think they made it a little bit more difficult because again,

556
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 3: like I've gone New Years past where it has been

557
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,479
Speaker 3: very crowded, I was sort of mentally prepared for that.

558
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 3: I get there Friday and I was like, this is

559
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 3: what Saturday crowd like. Saturday is usually terrible. Friday was

560
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 3: what Saturday was usually like Saturday. I could not move

561
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 3: around for most of it. The main issue which this

562
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 3: threw me off when I got there and I saw

563
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 3: a lot of people complaining about this. There was an

564
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 3: entire section that usually is open to the public that

565
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 3: they had blocked off for like VIP guess and people

566
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 3: from press and industry, panelists and content creators. I don't

567
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 3: think it's a bad idea to have a lounge for

568
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 3: these people, like obviously, especially if you're working at the convention,

569
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 3: like you should, you know, have a space to decompress.

570
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 2: Whatever.

571
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 3: The space that they had blocked off was way too big.

572
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 3: It was like an entire like half of a floor.

573
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 3: This also usually is the space. The space that they

574
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 3: blocked off specifically is usually where like cosplay repair is

575
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 3: and like the med station and stuff like that, like

576
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 3: stuff that's important for people to know where it is,

577
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 3: and there was some confusion about like people not knowing

578
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 3: where to go for that.

579
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 2: They moved it all to the basement, and the.

580
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 3: Basement is already pretty crowded because that's where like the

581
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 3: food court is, and you know that's where a lot

582
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 3: of the meetups are and stuff like that. So again,

583
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 3: I don't think it was the best decision. It was

584
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 3: a very big amount of space that I don't think

585
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 3: they needed to block off that. I think that was

586
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 3: part of why the main Florida up feeling so crowded

587
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 3: was there's was less spaces for people to go.

588
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: And this springs met to talking about content.

589
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 3: Creators, and this is I I'm gonna have tried carefully here.

590
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 3: I want to start off by just like defining what

591
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: I mean when I say content creators, because I think

592
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 3: it is a very vague term and there's kind of two.

593
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: Definitions that I haven't mind.

594
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 3: When I'm talking about contract creators, I think most people

595
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 3: when they hear content creators, they think like some kid

596
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 3: with an iPhone and like maybe a bad ring like

597
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 3: camera making stuff I'm putting out on TikTok, which yes,

598
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 3: that's some people they're also it also could mean people

599
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 3: there are people that like make entire careers out of this,

600
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 3: and that means oftentimes they have like a whole camera

601
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 3: crew set up, maybe not like a huge like film

602
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 3: set type thing, but it'll be like a couple of

603
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 3: people filming them, some actual like nice cameras lighting all

604
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 3: of that. And so immediately after the weekend was over,

605
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 3: I saw a lot of chatter online with people complaining

606
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 3: about content creators and how they were sort of unfairly prioritized.

607
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: And I really agree with this. I think that this

608
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: was a huge problem this year.

609
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 3: Some of it was coming from people that were content

610
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 3: creators and belonging to this former group of like more

611
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 3: or less amateurs that are making content like for fun.

612
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: It's not the re main source of income. There was

613
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 2: one guy that I found.

614
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 3: She made a video that I think like he did

615
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 3: a very good job of like talking through what I

616
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 3: was talking about with this this section that was blocked off,

617
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 3: and he.

618
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: Was like, yeah, no, I thought it was really weird.

619
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 3: I was allowed in the space, but it was like

620
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 3: way too much space for the amount of people in, like,

621
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 3: you know, the people it was four versus the people

622
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 3: in the entire convention center. Wish like kudos to him

623
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 3: for acknowledging that, Like I think, you know, there were

624
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 3: other people I saw online that got very defensive right away,

625
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 3: and I was sort of like, yo, like this.

626
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: Is not but nobody is attacking you specifically.

627
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: They're talking about the fact that like the rest of

628
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 3: us like had nowhere to sit. My one quick note

629
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 3: is not to be shady about this guy. Again, no

630
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 3: disrespect to him. I when he's doing good for him.

631
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 3: I also am somebody that, like I, makes very similar content.

632
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 3: I probably would call myself content creator and some some

633
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 3: definitions of the word. I looked at his actual account,

634
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 3: and yes, he had a significant following.

635
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: I think for somebody who.

636
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 3: Like was given access to again like this like VIP

637
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 3: treatment and having a comp ticket. He didn't specify whether

638
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,959
Speaker 3: it was like totally calmed or just discounted, but like

639
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 3: spending less money on the ticket. I was sort of

640
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: surprised that somebody with that following was able to get that,

641
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 3: and that also showed to me, like again going back

642
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 3: to this idea of tickets being so expensive or like

643
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: your average Joe, Yeah, if you have like if they're

644
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 3: being very liberal about what they're calling a content creator

645
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 3: and like somebody with under one hundred k followers on TikTok,

646
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: which yes, that might seem like a lot, but when

647
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 3: you really think about like some of the follower counts

648
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 3: of these people, it's not that much. Like, yeah, if

649
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 3: you have all of these people that you're coming tickets for,

650
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: you're giving them discounted tickets, like no wonder you're not

651
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: making as much money, and then you want to raise

652
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 3: the ticket prices for the rest of us, which just

653
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 3: doesn't seem like a good business model. I mean, yeah,

654
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 3: it's like you're getting that free advertisement, but at the

655
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 3: same time, it's like there's only so much that people

656
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 3: are going to be willing to pay to go to

657
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 3: these things. I already heard a bunch of people that

658
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 3: were sort of like, I'm probably not going to go

659
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 3: last next year? Is the problem my last year because

660
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,239
Speaker 3: it just got so expensive this year, and you know,

661
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 3: they are sort of facing a problem right now about

662
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 3: not making enough money to keep the event going. So again,

663
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 3: to me, I'm not a business person, but I see

664
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 3: this and I'm sort of like, it seems like there's

665
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 3: a very clear problem here. And yeah, maybe again when

666
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 3: people are saying, hey, they're putting a lot of emphasis

667
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 3: on these content creators and giving preferential treatment to these

668
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: content creators, that is frusture. That makes me less likely

669
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 3: to want to go to this kind of thing. Like,

670
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 3: I get it, that makes sense, and that doesn't seem

671
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 3: like a good business model. That being said, I don't

672
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 3: think like this group of content creators is necessarily the

673
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: worst problem.

674
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: Again, like, no hate to these people.

675
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 3: I think like content creators get a lot of hate

676
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 3: that is not necessarily necessary. I think the biggest problem

677
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 3: were again like these people that they're making content because

678
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 3: it's like their job, it's their career, it's what they

679
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 3: make money off of.

680
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: Listen, I work in media. I get it.

681
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 3: It is hard to like have be under pressure and

682
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 3: have a short period of time where you need to

683
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: create content to go out to a big audience and

684
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 3: needs to look up certain way. Whatever that being said,

685
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 3: it does not give you a permission to be an

686
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 3: and some of the behavior that I saw from these

687
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: people was like abhorrent.

688
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: Like it was just really bad.

689
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 3: So the way that the convention center is set up,

690
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: there's like this giant lobby area. There were a lot

691
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 3: of like camera setups that people had in this lobby area. Again,

692
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 3: they had this whole section that was blocked off for them.

693
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 3: I don't know why that was not being utilized more.

694
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 3: There were a lot of people on this main lobby

695
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 3: floor and then on the main stage floor that were

696
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: like taking up a lot of space to film content.

697
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 3: That is where people are trying to walk in and out.

698
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: People are going to walk into your shots. I saw

699
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 3: people getting yelled at. I saw people getting like pushed

700
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 3: off camera. I the third day that I was there,

701
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 3: I was walking to the bathroom, and again this is

702
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 3: a very crowded area, so I was sort of trying

703
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 3: to like make my way around people. I had a guy,

704
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 3: like one of the crew guys for one of these

705
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 3: creators like grab my arm and like pull me out

706
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: of a shot, which I don't think that's.

707
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: Okay, Like I'm not gonna rune. It was like a.

708
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 3: Little and I was like grab I mean, like this

709
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 3: dude like pulled me like I was like whoa, Like

710
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 3: you could have just said, like, hey can you Also,

711
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 3: I'm like.

712
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: Hey you could you could cut that out of the shot.

713
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: It's not that hard, just start over again.

714
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 3: That's the kind of thing that I think was most

715
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 3: frustrating to me because again I have a level of

716
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 3: sympthey where I'm like, I get you're trying to make

717
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 3: content because that's what your job is, but like, keep

718
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 3: in mind, you were going into a very crowded space

719
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Speaker 3: where people paid a lot of money to be here.

720
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: And I don't know, I think, like, I think it

721
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 3: makes sense that people were frustrated that like these sort

722
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 3: of people were getting be able to get away with

723
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 3: this kind of behavior and there really was no kind

724
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: of there was no accountability, there was no like and

725
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 3: it was also clear that they were like getting that

726
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 3: preferential treatment. So I think, I think it again, it

727
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: makes sense that people were frustrated. I was frustrated. So

728
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 3: I don't know what the solution is. I don't know

729
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 3: if there just needs to be like clear guidelines like

730
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 3: what people can and can't do if they're going to

731
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: keep this like space blocked off for content creators, maybe

732
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 3: there just needs to be more rules about like you

733
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 3: need to be filming content here.

734
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: You can't.

735
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Speaker 3: The other thing was too going back to the meetups,

736
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: like there were people that were like taking up these

737
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 3: big sections. It was also raining that whole weekends more

738
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 3: people inside trying to take pictures as opposed to outside.

739
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 3: But it's like everybody's trying to take pictures, everybody's in

740
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: their costume, everybody's here.

741
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: To like have fun.

742
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: You can't be like blocking out like prime, Instagram, real estate.

743
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: The entire like three hour period that you I don't know,

744
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 3: it just there was a lot of behavior that I

745
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 3: think like it felt it felt like rude, and it

746
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 3: felt disingenuous to like why people want to go to

747
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 3: these events. It felt like it definitely like it. And

748
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 3: I can see from the again, like comic CON's perspective,

749
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 3: they're like great free advertising.

750
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: We want to prioritize that, but.

751
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 3: Also think about the fact that it's like the people

752
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 3: that you're making money from, people that are paying you

753
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 3: to be there, they need to be having a good

754
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 3: time too, Like it is a supplying demand issue and

755
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 3: like you're gonna start losing customers if you let that

756
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 3: slide for the sake of Yeah.

757
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: Again, like a bunch of TikTokers. Not saying that.

758
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 3: To TikTokers again, no disrespect, but like we're all here

759
00:34:58,880 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: for the same thing.

760
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: Let people enjoy this, Like, don't just turn it into.

761
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 3: Shocking comic con of all things can turn into a

762
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 3: capitalist hellscape.

763
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 2: Who would have thought?

764
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: Is it still at the Surprise Prise Javits Center?

765
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: Dam it's gonna yeah, yeah, which have you been there?

766
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: It's a huge space, fun story.

767
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 3: I actually the first time that I went to that

768
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 3: convention center was getting my COVID nineteen shot because I

769
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 3: had like the whole like National Guard set up there.

770
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 3: So every year it's kind of funny where I'm like, oh, yeah,

771
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 3: I remember like this entire place being just like filled

772
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 3: with like military dudes, and now it's Captain America.

773
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, I have a video. I think I mentioned

774
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,479
Speaker 1: this last time we talked, but when I was there,

775
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: I did a walk through video of the whole thing

776
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: dressed as Winter Soldier, and it was content that we posted.

777
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: And I'm just trying to envision because that was a

778
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: long time ago, and I'm just trying to envision because

779
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: I feel like the media space I was in was

780
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: pretty small and it was upstairs and then there was

781
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: one that was there was one that was downstairs and

782
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: that was where you did interviews, and they had like

783
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: the backdrop, uh, and you know the media would just

784
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: go and interview this poor person over and over again,

785
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: but same questions I'm sure every time. But it didn't

786
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: feel that big. But it's also kind of an interesting

787
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: setup because it's it's long. It's like a the hallway

788
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: I remember being like a long walk to get to

789
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: the artist alley and then to get to the where

790
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: I want to where you want to go buy stuff.

791
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 1: It's kind of a like interesting setup. I suppose.

792
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a weird it's a weird setup, and

793
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 3: I get. I mean, I think like going to what

794
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: you were saying, obviously a it is always very crowded

795
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 3: and be like.

796
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: This has been a thing.

797
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 3: I do think there should be like a space for

798
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 3: content creators. I do think there should be a space

799
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 3: for like for staff or press whatever. I think the

800
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 3: way that it was just set up this time was

801
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 3: so poorly done.

802
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: That was the problem. I think it it was a.

803
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: Issue of scale and it is like these are all connected.

804
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 3: If you're going to have more space blocked off for

805
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 3: content creators, you're going to have less space for the

806
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 3: general public. People are going to be upset about the

807
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 3: fact that they're all kind of because again, I'm used

808
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: to it being crowded, especially Saturday, it is usually like

809
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 3: very very crowded.

810
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 2: That was the worst I've ever seen it.

811
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: Like there were points on Saturday where like I literally

812
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 3: was just like I cannot move, Like I'm stuck on

813
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 3: the show floor and I'm just waiting for there to

814
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 3: be an opening for maybe.

815
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: To be able to walk out.

816
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 3: So I don't know, I get Yeah, And again, I

817
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 3: think I think it is worth like pointing out the

818
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 3: fact that it was something that I saw so many

819
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 3: complaints about. It's like, clearly there was something different this

820
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: year that was frustrating.

821
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Because again I mean.

822
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 3: Like the show floor obviously super crowded as well. I

823
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 3: think that also, And again I mean I think this

824
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 3: is something that who knows what the solution is. Wasn't

825
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: the best organized things were. It was a little bit

826
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 3: hard to find things. I think they tried to spread

827
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: out some of the things that people they knew people

828
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 3: like there was the big like Marvel set up and

829
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 3: the big DC setup that we're on like opposite sides,

830
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 3: and there was like all these different companies and stuff

831
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 3: that was kind of funny. It was sort of like,

832
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 3: we're we have to separate them, and they were they're

833
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 3: gonna right, you're gonna fight.

834
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: I don't know.

835
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: Shout out to I friend of the pod care from

836
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: it could happen here is also doing an episode about

837
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 3: Comic Con for that.

838
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 2: Very excited to hear that. I think it's gonna be

839
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: much for uh critical in depth.

840
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 3: But something they pointed out we were walking on on

841
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 3: Sunday that I thought was interesting was they were like,

842
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 3: there's a lot of a lot of the stuff on

843
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 3: the show floor is like Instagram. It's for Instagram, like

844
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 3: it's it's so you can take the picture to post

845
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 3: on Instagram later, which yeah, I was like, that's interesting.

846
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 3: I do kind of wish there was a little bit

847
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 3: more like interactive things. That being said, I did also

848
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 3: drag them through the entire avatar set up to get

849
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 3: a picture with Apa so that I could put that

850
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 3: on the Instagram later. So I gotta get it.

851
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 2: I can't.

852
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 3: I can't complain too much because I did also definitely

853
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 3: feed into the the instagramification of everything.

854
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, I again I think a lot.

855
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 3: My main issue is just that I think a lot

856
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 3: of the specific issues about the way the space was

857
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 3: organized that was providable, and that's something that I hope

858
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 3: and again, if they're going to be charging so much

859
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: for it next year, that that needs to be fixed.

860
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 2: Otherwise you're going to drive people away.

861
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 3: It's not fun if you cannot if you literally cannot

862
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 3: do anything because you can't move around right.

863
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: Well, surprise, surprise, listeners, it turns out that things did

864
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: go off the rails without Samantha here and Joey and

865
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: I have a lot more to say about the ways

866
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 1: that cons have progressed, the ways they're backsliding in some areas,

867
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: and how that reflects on our society. So much more

868
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: to say, in fact, that we're splitting this into two parts,

869
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: even though it was originally supposed to just be one episode,

870
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: so stay tuned for part two. In the meantime, you

871
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 1: can check out Joey online at pat not Pratt on Instagram,

872
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: Hot Topic Dad on TikTok, and you can see their

873
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: work on podcasts like Outlaws and There Are No Girls

874
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: on the Internet with friend of the Show Brigit Todd,

875
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: and on other episodes on this very show, so please

876
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: keep an ear out for that and check those things

877
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: out if you haven't already. If you would like to

878
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880
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,920
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Speaker 1: We're also on YouTube. We have new merchandise at Cotton Bureau,

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Speaker 1: and we have a book you can get wherever you

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Speaker 1: get your books. Thanks as always to our super producer Christina,

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Speaker 1: our executive producer Myra, and yes contributor Joey, and thanks

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Speaker 1: to you for listening Stuff Never Told You to put

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Speaker 1: sh my Heart Radio. For more podcasts from my Heart Radio,

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Speaker 1: you can check out the ipheart Radio app, Apple podcast,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.