WEBVTT - Sadism in the Bastille

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Noble Blood, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm

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<v Speaker 1>and Mild from Aaron Manky. Listener discretion advised a warning

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<v Speaker 1>before we begin. This week's episode contains mentions of graphic

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<v Speaker 1>sex and sexual violence. If that's not something you want

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to, or if you are a younger listener,

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<v Speaker 1>I would encourage you to skip this episode maybe and

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<v Speaker 1>come back next week. Revolution was brewing in Paris. There

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<v Speaker 1>were mobs in the city streets, and on July one,

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen eighty nine, if anyone in those mobs happened to

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<v Speaker 1>look up at the Bastille, they would have seen a man,

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<v Speaker 1>a prisoner, standing in the window of his cell on

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<v Speaker 1>the sixth floor, shouting down at them. Save the prisoners.

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<v Speaker 1>The man yelled, their throats are being slack, they're being murdered.

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<v Speaker 1>You must help. They were dramatic words, words that the

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<v Speaker 1>prisoner was hoping would incite action. In actuality, the prison

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<v Speaker 1>was nearly empty. The man shouting down from his window

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<v Speaker 1>was the only prisoner remaining in his tower.

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<v Speaker 2>He was short and.

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<v Speaker 1>Wide, raggedly dressed, as you might expect. If the mob

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<v Speaker 1>on the street had squinted, they might have seen that

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<v Speaker 1>the prisoner was holding an object to his mouth like

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<v Speaker 1>a modern day megaphone, a metallic funnel. Even if they

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<v Speaker 1>had seen the object, the people on the street probably

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<v Speaker 1>would not have guessed that the funnel was a piece

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<v Speaker 1>of the prisoner's urinal though of course, use of the

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<v Speaker 1>urinal funnel to magnify his voice was entirely functional in

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<v Speaker 1>this case. The fact that this man one happened to

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<v Speaker 1>be holding an object associated with bodily waste up to

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<v Speaker 1>his mouth is uniquely appropriate given who that prisoner was.

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<v Speaker 2>His name was.

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<v Speaker 1>Dunisian Alphonse Francois, but he is better known as the

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<v Speaker 1>Marquis de Sade. He is among the most infamous writers

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<v Speaker 1>known to literary and cultural history, and among the most

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<v Speaker 1>controversial for good reason for his writing depicting gruesome sexual

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<v Speaker 1>tortures and violence that went as far as murder. His

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<v Speaker 1>grisly sexual imagination is the origin of the word sadism.

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<v Speaker 1>Though never quite as violent as his characters, his many

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<v Speaker 1>stints in prison weren't just for his ideas either. The

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<v Speaker 1>man poisoned and beat sex workers, and was credibly acute

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<v Speaker 1>used of kidnapping teenage girls. The Marquis de Sade has

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<v Speaker 1>been widely censored throughout history, and is also published as

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<v Speaker 1>a Penguin classic. He has been reconsidered, redeemed and villainized

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<v Speaker 1>in the changing political winds of history by everyone from

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<v Speaker 1>Apolloniere to Simone de Beauvoir. He was a writer, above all,

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<v Speaker 1>known for his libertine works of sexual violence, less known

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<v Speaker 1>for his political and esthetic writings. And as the Marquis

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<v Speaker 1>de Sade stood in the window of the Bastille the

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<v Speaker 1>July that the French Revolution would reach its climax, shouting

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<v Speaker 1>into the metallic funnel, he was also one more thing,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps surprisingly, a husband to a remarkably, even strangely devoted wife,

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<v Speaker 1>a pious woman married to a man who had had

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<v Speaker 1>endless affairs, mostly with sex workers, but also with her

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<v Speaker 1>own sister. And yet she had stood by him throughout

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<v Speaker 1>his many violent indiscretions, his many imprisonments, his burnings in effigy.

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<v Speaker 1>As the Marquis de Sade stood there in the sixth

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<v Speaker 1>floor of his prison tower, screaming, he may have been

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<v Speaker 1>able to guess that soon he would be removed by

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<v Speaker 1>the armed guards. In fact, he was removed at one

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<v Speaker 1>the next morning. He may not have been able to

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<v Speaker 1>guess that he wouldn't be allowed to take with him

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<v Speaker 1>his library of six hundred books ranging from Homer to

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<v Speaker 1>Robinson Crusoe to Erotica, that his wife had sent him

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<v Speaker 1>by request.

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<v Speaker 2>He may have.

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<v Speaker 1>Had some sense that thirteen days later the Vestille would

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<v Speaker 1>be stormed and the French Revolution would begin in o earnest,

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<v Speaker 1>But surely Sod could not have known that he was

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<v Speaker 1>on the immediate precipice of losing the two things in

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<v Speaker 1>the world that surely he believed he would never be without,

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<v Speaker 1>first the pages upon pages of his manuscripts, the scrawling

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<v Speaker 1>writing that he had kept secret and hidden during his imprisonment,

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<v Speaker 1>and second, at last, his once devoted wife. I'm Dana Schwartz,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is noble blood. All right, listeners, Right off

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<v Speaker 1>the bat, this is going to be an edgy one.

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<v Speaker 1>Before diving into the story of Sod, let's start by

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledging that sadism from the mind of the Marquis is

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<v Speaker 1>not the now sex positive and consensual s that you

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<v Speaker 1>might know from the contemporary acronym BDSM. Some of it

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<v Speaker 1>starts there, but Sod's imagination goes far beyond even the

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<v Speaker 1>most transgressive sex positivity into disturbing depictions of extreme tortures

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<v Speaker 1>so obscene and violent that I can't won't even suggest

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<v Speaker 1>them on this podcast. Fifty Shades of Gray is like

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<v Speaker 1>a nursery rhyme by comparison. Sod himself told his lawyers

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<v Speaker 1>that his books were quote too immoral to send to

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<v Speaker 1>a man as pious and as decent as you.

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<v Speaker 2>I needed money.

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<v Speaker 1>My publisher asked me for something quite spicy, and I

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<v Speaker 1>made him a book capable of corrupting the devil listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't give details of such works to someone as

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<v Speaker 1>pious and decent as you, nor would I want to.

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<v Speaker 1>What I can give is the story of the man

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<v Speaker 1>behind those works. With that said, let's get into it.

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<v Speaker 1>The Marquis de Sade was born on June two, seventeen forty,

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<v Speaker 1>in the house of his father's mistress.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't get me.

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<v Speaker 1>Wrong, the Marquis was a legitimate child of his married parents,

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<v Speaker 1>but Sad's father, Jean Baptiste, only married his wife in

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<v Speaker 1>the first place to get closer to another woman, the

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<v Speaker 1>Princess of Conde. Jean Baptiste loved the princess, but settled

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<v Speaker 1>for marrying her lady in waiting Marie. Like his eventual

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<v Speaker 1>son Jean Baptiste, had also been arrested for his sexual

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<v Speaker 1>exploits with men, and Marie, unsurprisingly was rather absent from

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<v Speaker 1>the household and from her son's childhood. In a sad

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<v Speaker 1>little incident from the Marquis de Sad's early life, neither

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<v Speaker 1>parent bothered to show up to his baptism, so a

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<v Speaker 1>pair of servants baptized him with the wrong name. He

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<v Speaker 1>was called Denisian Alphonse Francois, not Denisian al dunt Louise,

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<v Speaker 1>as his absentee parents had originally intended. At age five,

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<v Speaker 1>the young Sad moved in with his father's brother, who

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<v Speaker 1>scandalously lived with a mother and daughter with whom he

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<v Speaker 1>was both sleeping with. Sad had access to his uncle's

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<v Speaker 1>impressive library, which included Molieri, Hobbes, and books with titles

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<v Speaker 1>like The Bordello or The Everyman Debauched and The Good

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<v Speaker 1>and Bad Uses of Flagellation. In other words, this was

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<v Speaker 1>a child who grew up surrounded by promiscuous sex, for

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<v Speaker 1>whom the taboo was commonplace. This was the era after

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<v Speaker 1>the licentious regency period in France, when so called libertinism

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<v Speaker 1>was common The word libertine comes from the Latin root liber,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning free. A libertine was a person living without moral

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<v Speaker 1>or religious restraint, particularly in the bedroom. When sod turned ten,

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<v Speaker 1>his father sent him to a Jesuit school that disciplined

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<v Speaker 1>boys by flogging them in front of their classmates. Accusations

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<v Speaker 1>of sodomy also ran rampant at the school, which was

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<v Speaker 1>a criminal act at the time. Usually, when covering a

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<v Speaker 1>subject on noble blood, it's unnecessary to the story to

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<v Speaker 1>either report or speculate on the specifics of the individual's

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<v Speaker 1>sexual proclivities. But in the Marquis de Sad's life, his

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<v Speaker 1>own personal sexual activity is so inextricably linked to his

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<v Speaker 1>work and also to his life that I find it

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<v Speaker 1>actually does hold some relevance here. So whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>s'd first encountered sodomi at his Jesuit school, we know

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<v Speaker 1>that in both his personal life and in his writings,

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<v Speaker 1>for him, it was the only type of physical sex

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<v Speaker 1>that ever satisfied him, whether he was in prison or

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<v Speaker 1>in his marital bed, whether he was with men or

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<v Speaker 1>with women. Young S'ad went on to fight in the

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<v Speaker 1>Seven Years' War, where his sexual appetites were so well

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<v Speaker 1>known that his honorable discharge papers called him deranged. By

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<v Speaker 1>the time S'd was twenty two, his father was desperate to.

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<v Speaker 2>Get him married off.

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<v Speaker 1>Sad was therefore betrothed to a respectable young woman, renee

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<v Speaker 1>Pelege Montcre. But six weeks before the wedding, Sada in

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<v Speaker 1>Provence was writing letters to a different woman he wanted

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<v Speaker 1>her instead, of course, while saying how much he loved her,

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<v Speaker 1>he was also calling her an ungrateful wretch and blackmailing

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<v Speaker 1>her regarding the gonorrhea that he also had likely given her. So, surprise, surprise,

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<v Speaker 1>his relationship with that woman didn't work out. Nonetheless, Sod

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<v Speaker 1>refused to come back to Paris to marry the woman

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<v Speaker 1>that his father chose for him, and the wedding date

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<v Speaker 1>was approaching. Sod's father knew what a mess he was

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<v Speaker 1>creating for the young Rene Pelage Montrell and her mother.

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<v Speaker 1>I pity them, he wrote, for making such a bad purchase,

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<v Speaker 1>capable of making all kinds of trouble. Finally, one day

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<v Speaker 1>before the wedding, Sod arrived back in Paris carrying the

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<v Speaker 1>then traditional wedding delicacy of artichokes. He married Peleget, who

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<v Speaker 1>stood four foot ten beside Sod's five foot two. This

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<v Speaker 1>was a time when five' four would be considered. Average

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<v Speaker 1>but even, so sd was. Short make of that what you,

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<v Speaker 1>will and, shockingly The marquis and his new marquise actually

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to really like each other like a. Lot sod

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<v Speaker 1>called her his beloved soul and dearest. Friend Renee pelget

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<v Speaker 1>came to at least, accept maybe even Enjoy sod's particular

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<v Speaker 1>predilections in the, bedroom which, were AS i alluded to,

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<v Speaker 1>before not the type that would risk. Pregnancy Biographer francine

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<v Speaker 1>De Plusie gray said That Renee pelaget's utter adoration for

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<v Speaker 1>her husband quote has a legendary mythical. Streak it is

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<v Speaker 1>akin to the devotion displayed by wives Of ogres In

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<v Speaker 1>european fairy. Tale of, course all of that love and

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<v Speaker 1>devotion wasn't enough to restrain The marquis De. Sade she

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<v Speaker 1>had married The marquis De, sade after, all and he was.

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<v Speaker 1>Untamable three weeks after the, Wedding Renee pelget was. Pregnant

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<v Speaker 1>five months after the, wedding her husband was in jail

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<v Speaker 1>for the first. Time it was a relatively tame first.

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<v Speaker 1>Charge he had forcibly demanded that a sex worker whip,

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<v Speaker 1>him and he threatened to whip her in, turn all

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<v Speaker 1>of which was actually kind of common practice at the

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<v Speaker 1>time for a married male. Aristocrat but under threat of,

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<v Speaker 1>violence he had also forced this woman to speak blasphemies Against.

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<v Speaker 1>God it was Actually s'd's wife and mother in law

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<v Speaker 1>who worked to get him out of. Prison he was

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<v Speaker 1>only there for three, weeks but even still he considered

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<v Speaker 1>his treatment massively. Unfair was a noble really going to

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<v Speaker 1>get in such trouble for how he treated such lowly.

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<v Speaker 1>Women In august seventeen sixty, Seven sod's first son was.

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<v Speaker 1>Born eight months after, That sod was in jail, again

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<v Speaker 1>this time for seven months for the violent coerced whipping

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<v Speaker 1>of a woman Named Rose. Keller by seventeen seventy, Two

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<v Speaker 1>sod and his wife had two sons and a, daughter

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<v Speaker 1>and he was convicted for a third. Time he had

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<v Speaker 1>given sex workers a candy that contained a dangerously high

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<v Speaker 1>dose of an aphrodisiac Called spanish, fly which left at

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<v Speaker 1>least one girl. Hospitalized Spanish fly is not a. Euphemism

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<v Speaker 1>it is literally a bug a beatle actually rumored at

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<v Speaker 1>the time to increase arousal and even used as a

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<v Speaker 1>treatment for various, illnesses including STIs at the, time but

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<v Speaker 1>it was also incredibly, toxic sometimes even deadly in large.

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<v Speaker 1>Doses this, Time sod was sentenced to be burned and,

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<v Speaker 1>beheaded in a practice.

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<v Speaker 2>Common for nobles at the.

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<v Speaker 1>Time he was burned only in, effigy and the sentence

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<v Speaker 1>was considered. Complete in the, Meantime sod was off In

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<v Speaker 1>italy with a very particular. Mistress his devoted wife's, Sister Anne,

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<v Speaker 1>prosper was nine years younger than her, sister and she

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<v Speaker 1>was infatuated with The marquis De. Sad, Still sod's wife

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<v Speaker 1>stuck by. Him in seventeen seventy, Four sod had serious

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<v Speaker 1>kidnapping allegations levied against. Him Renee pelge covered for, him

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<v Speaker 1>knowing all along that he had in fact taken five

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<v Speaker 1>young teenage girls and one young boy servants into the

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<v Speaker 1>dungeon of his family chateau to have them act out

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<v Speaker 1>depraved scenes and. Orgies, finally in seventeen seventy, seven and

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<v Speaker 1>with the help of his once loving mother in, Law

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<v Speaker 1>sod was taken into. Custody it would be the thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>year long imprisonment that eventually led him to The. Bastille

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<v Speaker 1>for a guy best known for his elaborate imaginations about

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<v Speaker 1>torture and, RESTRAINT sd did not take well to. Imprisonment

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<v Speaker 1>he was not initially held at The bastillo. Fortress he

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<v Speaker 1>was first at a fortress Called vincenne cell, eleven with

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<v Speaker 1>windows just barely high enough for him to see a

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<v Speaker 1>sliver of sky above the fortress. Walls the marquis wrote

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<v Speaker 1>to his wife constantly requesting incredibly specific items, herivens hemorrhoid,

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<v Speaker 1>creams face, powder, toothpicks. Cologne she worked to send, them

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<v Speaker 1>writing letters that professed ardent and passionate. Love sometimes he

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<v Speaker 1>returned her. Affections he wrote about his intense desire for,

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<v Speaker 1>her using euphemisms about his hem bow and. Arrow he

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<v Speaker 1>asked her to send him cylindrical objects shaped in, very

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<v Speaker 1>very particular. Dimensions but sometimes he turned on. Her he

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<v Speaker 1>blamed her, mother correctly as it turned, out for his,

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<v Speaker 1>imprisonment calling her a venomous, beast an infernal, monster and

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<v Speaker 1>other epithets THAT i cannot speak on this. Podcast he

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<v Speaker 1>sent his mother in law a letter written in his own.

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<v Speaker 1>Blood in the height of, irony he Accused Rene pelaget's

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<v Speaker 1>wife of wearing clothes that were too. Immodest as a,

0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:15.919
<v Speaker 1>result she went to live at a. Convent it Was

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<v Speaker 1>leap day of seventeen ninety four When sod was transferred

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<v Speaker 1>to The. Bastille, ironically his tower was called The tower Of.

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<v Speaker 2>Liberty he was.

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<v Speaker 1>In an octagonal cell that he plastered with flowers and

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<v Speaker 1>portraits of his, family almost like a dorm. Room by

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<v Speaker 1>the end of his stay in The tower Of, liberty

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<v Speaker 1>he was on the sixth, floor surrounded by six hundred

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<v Speaker 1>books in a. Bookcase his collection Included, Homer, Virgil, Shakespeare,

0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:53.159
<v Speaker 1>erotica and the Book Dangerous, liaisons written right around the

0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:58.000
<v Speaker 1>time Of sod's. Imprisonment he also had dozens of pens

0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:02.679
<v Speaker 1>and blank. Notebooks his wife had sent him all of

0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:08.080
<v Speaker 1>it because upon being, Imprisoned sod turned at, last in

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<v Speaker 1>earnest to the thing that he would become most famous for.

0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:19.159
<v Speaker 1>Writing sod turned his wife into his research. Assistant he

0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:23.439
<v Speaker 1>would ask her to find hotel, names, streets, managers and

0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:28.280
<v Speaker 1>surrounding settings in locations as distant As lisbon And. Madrid

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<v Speaker 1>yet his letters also derided the writing abilities of the

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<v Speaker 1>very woman who was sending him the books and research

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<v Speaker 1>and strawberries and rosewater he requested to The. Bastille in one,

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<v Speaker 1>letter he, wrote, quote you don't seem to have bathed,

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<v Speaker 1>today for it is impossible to read anything drier than your.

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<v Speaker 2>Letter in, another.

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<v Speaker 1>He, Wrote you've sent me three pages of idiotic, ramblings

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<v Speaker 1>but it's in your manner to say stupidities to have

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<v Speaker 1>your reason go off. Track Renee peleget is generally considered.

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<v Speaker 1>Uneducated her writing is, misspelled and she certainly didn't share

0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:17.119
<v Speaker 1>her husband's famous linguistic. Dexterity but she engaged him in

0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:21.719
<v Speaker 1>complex questions of law and, ethics and she read and

0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:28.760
<v Speaker 1>critiqued his. Manuscripts she also probably accidentally misled him in

0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:32.800
<v Speaker 1>answer to some of his research. Questions the descriptions of

0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:36.160
<v Speaker 1>foreign nations in The marquis De sade's books are often,

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<v Speaker 1>wrong and that's the evidence that The marquis De sade's

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<v Speaker 1>prison writings were actually reliant on his long suffering. Wife of,

0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:51.880
<v Speaker 1>course sod was still in prison when he began writing

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<v Speaker 1>his first book in seventeen eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>Five he had to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Secretive he wrote in frenzied three hours from seven to ten.

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<v Speaker 1>Pm the night darkening outside his. Window as his hand

0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:11.159
<v Speaker 1>trembled with, excitement he wrote on five inch pieces of

0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:17.159
<v Speaker 1>paper in tiny. Handwriting there are many tales about books

0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:22.520
<v Speaker 1>being written in ridiculously short periods of. Time, Supposedly Robert

0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Louis stevenson Wrote Jacqueline hyde in three, Days Arthur Conan

0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:30.280
<v Speaker 1>doyle wrote The First Sherlock Home story in three, weeks

0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:35.080
<v Speaker 1>and fasad it took thirty seven days to produce forty

0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:39.040
<v Speaker 1>nine feet of. Writing his book was about two hundred

0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:44.119
<v Speaker 1>and fifty thousand, words about one thousand, pages more than

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<v Speaker 1>double the size that would make a modern agent or

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<v Speaker 1>editor blanche if they.

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<v Speaker 2>Got it in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Mail that book Was the one hundred and Twenty days Of,

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<v Speaker 1>sodom a catalog of every possible sexually violent. ACT i

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<v Speaker 1>cannot name them. Here you are welcome to look them up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yourself but if you are imagining, titillation don't be surprised

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<v Speaker 1>to find yourself. Repelled during all this, time the seeds

0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:18.480
<v Speaker 1>of The French revolution were about to. Bloom revolutionaries were

0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:23.359
<v Speaker 1>preparing their muskets and sharpening their. Swords The Liberty tower

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<v Speaker 1>was emptied of all but one, Prisoner its most depraved

0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:32.040
<v Speaker 1>and one day most famous The marquis De. Sade he

0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:36.160
<v Speaker 1>had been hearing the discontent of the revolutionaries down, below

0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:40.679
<v Speaker 1>and he was feeling bored and, annoyed denied his daily.

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<v Speaker 1>Walks so at noon On july, one seventeen eighty, nine

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<v Speaker 1>he took the funnel that linked his urinal to the, fortress,

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<v Speaker 1>mote put it to his, mouth stood at his window

0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:56.479
<v Speaker 1>and yelled down to the people. Below the prisoner's throats

0:22:56.480 --> 0:22:59.800
<v Speaker 1>are being, cut he screamed down into the. Crowd if

0:22:59.840 --> 0:23:03.479
<v Speaker 1>The marquis De sad is, anything it's consistent and his

0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:08.960
<v Speaker 1>desire to provoke, people to say scandalous things and get a. Reaction,

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<v Speaker 1>unsurprisingly The bestille guards were not happy with. Him at

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<v Speaker 1>one am that, night they seized him in his cell

0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:21.159
<v Speaker 1>and took him basically, naked to the convent of The

0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:25.520
<v Speaker 1>brothers Of. Charity it, was In sod's, words an insane.

0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Asylum sod was desperate over the loss of his, writings

0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:33.800
<v Speaker 1>which were still hidden in his cell in The. Bastille

0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:37.080
<v Speaker 1>he gave the police commissioner the right to open his

0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:40.240
<v Speaker 1>cell as long as his, Wife madame De, sad was.

0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:44.240
<v Speaker 1>There sod, assumed of, course that his wife would take

0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:48.399
<v Speaker 1>his writings to, Safety but The marquise had been having

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<v Speaker 1>a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Of a change of.

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<v Speaker 1>Heart we really don't know why at long, last the,

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<v Speaker 1>wife who had stuck With sod through all of his,

0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:03.240
<v Speaker 1>troubles finally changed her mind about. Him what we know

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<v Speaker 1>is that On july, fourteenth thirteen days after her husband

0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:11.080
<v Speaker 1>screamed from the window of his cell and was removed

0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:16.480
<v Speaker 1>to an insane, asylum The bastille was stormed and blood

0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:20.000
<v Speaker 1>ran through the streets Of. Paris we know that she

0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:23.399
<v Speaker 1>was having mobility issues with her, legs and that she

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<v Speaker 1>was forty eight years old and married to a man

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<v Speaker 1>who had spent the better part of their lives together in,

0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:34.400
<v Speaker 1>prisons and she was becoming more religious at the convent

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<v Speaker 1>she lived. At and we know that On april, first

0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:44.680
<v Speaker 1>seventeen Ninety sad was. Released he was, balding nearly, fifty

0:24:45.200 --> 0:24:50.040
<v Speaker 1>wearing a ratty woolen. Coat we can only imagine the

0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:54.960
<v Speaker 1>feeling of freedom after a thirteen year. Imprisonment he must

0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:59.400
<v Speaker 1>have breathed in the fresh air, exhaled and he had

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<v Speaker 1>only one the one thing on his, mind his. Wife

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he wanted to do to her these sexual things

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<v Speaker 1>that he had described in his letters over the. Years

0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:13.080
<v Speaker 1>maybe he simply wanted to sit down together to a

0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:15.760
<v Speaker 1>good meal at a table where they could stay for

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<v Speaker 1>as long as they. Wanted man and wife reunited at.

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<v Speaker 1>Last he went immediately to seek her out and found her.

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<v Speaker 1>Convent he waited patiently For renee pelage to come meet.

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<v Speaker 2>Him she never.

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<v Speaker 1>Came your wife does not wish to see you ever,

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<v Speaker 1>again a messenger Told. Sod she wants a legal. Separation

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<v Speaker 1>sad never again saw the manuscript that he left.

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<v Speaker 2>Behind in The.

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<v Speaker 1>Bastille but the bigger blow was the loss of his

0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:52.920
<v Speaker 1>long suffering. Wife AS i, said we don't know for

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<v Speaker 1>sure Why Renee pelaget changed her mind at. Last it's

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<v Speaker 1>not as though she had a shortage Of BUT i

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<v Speaker 1>will add one. Suggestion it must have been much easier

0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:10.120
<v Speaker 1>to have a husband like The marquis De. Sade when

0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:13.240
<v Speaker 1>he was in. Prison you could visit him and then

0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:17.040
<v Speaker 1>leave him safely behind, you where you knew you would

0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:20.480
<v Speaker 1>find him the next. Time in, prison he could not

0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:25.440
<v Speaker 1>be frequenting brothels and picking up yet another venereal disease

0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:28.960
<v Speaker 1>to pass on to. You with him in, prison you

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<v Speaker 1>had a modicum of control in your marriage to a

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<v Speaker 1>man who had so abused and degraded you for rene,

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<v Speaker 1>pelage her husband's imprisonment must have been a freedom that

0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:49.000
<v Speaker 1>she could not give. UP a certain streak of karma

0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:51.840
<v Speaker 1>would have Had sad live out the rest of his days.

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<v Speaker 1>Alone but he quickly met a new, woman thirty three

0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:59.360
<v Speaker 1>year Old Constant, quesnay who had a six year old

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:06.400
<v Speaker 1>son from previous. Marriage she became yet another inexplicably devoted.

0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 1>PARTNER i know a ton of amazing women who are

0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:16.359
<v Speaker 1>still single, today and this guy finds endless. Devotes love

0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 1>is not. Fair it was After sad's stint in The

0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:24.600
<v Speaker 1>bastille and after the loss of his, wife that he

0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:27.399
<v Speaker 1>wrote the works for which he would become best known

0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:32.639
<v Speaker 1>in his. Lifetime philosophy in The, Boudoir justine And juliette

0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:39.600
<v Speaker 1>were sexually explicit and violent books that shocked society's. Sensibilities

0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:44.000
<v Speaker 1>sad was free for only eleven years before he was

0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:47.920
<v Speaker 1>arrested again at his publisher's office in eighteen oh, one

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<v Speaker 1>this time for the crime of. Obscenity he spent another

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:58.040
<v Speaker 1>thirteen year stint in the insane, asylum still receiving conjugal

0:27:58.119 --> 0:28:01.800
<v Speaker 1>visits from at least two whims women until he died

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<v Speaker 1>On december twond eighteen, fourteen at age seventy. Four he

0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:12.679
<v Speaker 1>willed everything to his second, Partner. Constance he stated in

0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:15.920
<v Speaker 1>his will THAT i trust the memory of me shall

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:19.600
<v Speaker 1>fade out in the minds of all. Men of, course

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:23.440
<v Speaker 1>that's not what. Happened the legacy of The marquis De

0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:28.520
<v Speaker 1>sade is extremely. Complicated at various points over the, centuries

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:34.120
<v Speaker 1>his reputation has been sanitized and resurrected as a figurehead against.

0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Censorship at other, points his work has been castigated for

0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:43.239
<v Speaker 1>its misogynistic violence and censored all over. Again he is

0:28:43.280 --> 0:28:47.560
<v Speaker 1>one of those lightning rod historical figures who is endlessly

0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:51.800
<v Speaker 1>used for the political ends of whichever movement wants to evoke.

0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Him he has been revisited by everyone From flaubert To

0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:59.960
<v Speaker 1>simone De. Beauvoir Mary shelley may have named her case

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<v Speaker 1>Character justine And, frankenstein After sad's character of the same.

0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 1>Name The one hundred And Twenty days Of sodom was

0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 1>translated anew Into english as A penguin classic in twenty.

0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Seventeen it is complicated to Consider sod in the contemporary.

0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 1>Moment do we defend his works on the basis of

0:29:24.600 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 1>anti censorship and the virtue of sex positivity or at

0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:33.840
<v Speaker 1>least open sexual. Expression or do we reject the works

0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:38.320
<v Speaker 1>on the basis of opposition to misogyny and violence against,

0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:43.280
<v Speaker 1>women opposition to the author the sexual coercion and, violence

0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:48.800
<v Speaker 1>abduction and rape actually committed by the man. Himself and

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:52.840
<v Speaker 1>how do we even Read sad if we? Do were

0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:54.120
<v Speaker 1>his writings.

0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:57.160
<v Speaker 2>Even meant to be? Erotic they may.

0:29:56.960 --> 0:30:02.959
<v Speaker 1>Have been at least heartly, comedy partly, satire partly political

0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 1>commentary amidst the beheadings and power upheavals of The French.

0:30:06.840 --> 0:30:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Revolution Maybe sad was an eighteenth century troll and his

0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:16.280
<v Speaker 1>works were just meant to be provocative for the sake of.

0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Provocation Duplicit gray writes that far from intending to arouse the,

0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 1>reader the quote repugnance of the one hundred and twenty

0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>days quote makes it far more conducive to. CHASTITY i

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<v Speaker 1>have to be honest listener Reading sod's works for this,

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<v Speaker 1>EPISODE i was second by his treatment of his, characters

0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:42.880
<v Speaker 1>especially the, women AND i want to be very clear

0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:47.800
<v Speaker 1>about my opinions. Here, often when researching a historical, FIGURE

0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:51.760
<v Speaker 1>i find myself ending with more empathy for them than

0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:56.240
<v Speaker 1>WHEN i. Began but in this CASE i just feel

0:30:56.360 --> 0:31:01.800
<v Speaker 1>disgusted and yet. Simoned ABOVE whi our mother of second wave,

0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 1>feminism wrote an essay arguing that we should not Burn

0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:10.480
<v Speaker 1>sod because he shows us something important about the dark

0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:14.680
<v Speaker 1>heart of. Humanity in the, END i think there's a

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:17.760
<v Speaker 1>way to believe That sod should not be jailed for

0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 1>obscenity in his, writing only for his, actions to think

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 1>that his works should not be, censored and also to

0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:29.760
<v Speaker 1>think that we need not celebrate in order not to.

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:32.920
<v Speaker 1>Censor the heirs Of sod.

0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 2>May feel the.

0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:37.720
<v Speaker 1>Same the line Of, sod which stretched back to medieval,

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 1>times stopped using the Title marquis after his death in eighteen.

0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:48.280
<v Speaker 1>Fourteen out of. Embarrassment the heirs began to call themselves compt,

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:53.080
<v Speaker 1>instead all the way until twenty, fourteen when one heir

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:58.240
<v Speaker 1>chose to reclaim marquis. Again who knows what time will

0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 1>bring whether future generations will once more renounce their claims

0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:19.080
<v Speaker 1>to the Infamous. Libertine that's the story of the Infamous

0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 1>marquis De. Sade but stick around after a brief sponsor

0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:25.320
<v Speaker 1>break to hear a little bit more about the fate

0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 1>of his most Famous bestille manuscript and how it actually

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 1>became the one hundred and Twenty days Of. Sodom The

0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:48.080
<v Speaker 1>marquis De sade never saw his one hundred and Twenty

0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:52.120
<v Speaker 1>days Of sodom, again and it was never published in his.

0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 1>Lifetime he died believing that the manuscript was destroyed in The,

0:32:57.200 --> 0:33:01.280
<v Speaker 1>Bestille but the fate of the one hundred Twenty days

0:33:01.880 --> 0:33:05.960
<v Speaker 1>was not so. Simple unbeknownst to The marquis De, sade

0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:10.479
<v Speaker 1>it was discovered and removed by A ciphilian two days

0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 1>before the storming of The. Bastille it wound up published

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:18.760
<v Speaker 1>for the first time in nineteen o four by a

0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:24.160
<v Speaker 1>psychiatrist and sexologist based In, berlin who published it under a.

0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:29.600
<v Speaker 1>Pseudonym the book was considered appropriate for medical and psychiatric

0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:35.640
<v Speaker 1>use as a massive catalog of sexual. Desire in twenty,

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:42.200
<v Speaker 1>fourteen the original manuscript was purchased for seven million euros

0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:47.080
<v Speaker 1>by A frenchman who had literally won the lottery and

0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:52.120
<v Speaker 1>was later arrested for running A ponzi. Scheme in twenty twenty,

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