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Speaker 5: Yeah, as you have an Australian guest, then boy howdy right.

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Speaker 4: Not for the time difference, for their wild antics, it's.

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Speaker 5: For the spiders that come out of the screen.

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Speaker 6: Hello, and welcome to Let's Learn Everything, the show where

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Speaker 6: we learn about anything and everything interesting. Today, we have

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Speaker 6: two very special guests who are going to be asking

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Speaker 6: miscellaneous questions of our own.

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Speaker 1: See how they like it.

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Speaker 6: My name is Caroline, and I want to tell you

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Speaker 6: a little bit about our guests. Separately, we have the

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Speaker 6: host of Creature Feature with a background in psychology and

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Speaker 6: evolutionary biology, and of course we also have our full

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Speaker 6: time Jeopardy champion. Together, they're the hosts of Secretly Incredibly

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Speaker 6: Fascinating our neighbors over at Max Fun.

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Speaker 5: Hello, thank you so much, it's so excited.

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Speaker 4: And my name is Alex Schmidt. And there's my friend

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Speaker 4: Katie Golden who doesn't return that's me.

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Speaker 3: Hello.

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Speaker 2: Hello.

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Speaker 6: We will hear about that question in a second, but

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Speaker 6: of course Ella and Tom also have some questions.

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Speaker 7: For our hosts.

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Speaker 1: Let's be still here unfortunately.

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Speaker 5: My name is Tom and I'll be asking our guest Katie,

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Speaker 5: how does your degree in evolutionary biology inform my favorite

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Speaker 5: Twitter account, birds Right activist.

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Speaker 1: My name is Ella, and I'll be asking our guest Alex,

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Speaker 1: how did you bring the buffalo emoji into the world.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to talk about it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, And now this is where both of you

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Speaker 7: Alex and Katie, would you like to share with us?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: We love this show and this seemed like a joyful

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Speaker 4: opportunity to look into the question of have birds ever

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Speaker 4: been to space?

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Speaker 2: Birds?

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Speaker 3: Wonderful space.

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Speaker 4: There's so many birds on the Earth. Have they made

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Speaker 5: Just like flying high enough you that was where.

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Speaker 6: My brain was just by like flapping up there or

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Speaker 5: They have the advantage, They've had years of advantage over us.

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Speaker 1: That's so true.

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Speaker 5: Are you doing birds.

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Speaker 3: Hold on tiny bird rockets?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, anything off the ground is a home game for them.

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Speaker 2: It's true.

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Speaker 4: It's a it's a home match very easy.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so interested thinking about the because they're flying already,

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Speaker 5: There's problems.

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Speaker 6: Before we answer all of these questions, first off, thank

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Speaker 6: you've got is it a degree in psychology and evolutionary biology,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Katie, First I will settle the degree right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, my degree is in bird astronauts. No, so yeah,

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Speaker 4: And then with making our podcast equally incredibly fasting, we

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Speaker 1: And it's a wonderful podcast. And I imagine we have

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Speaker 7: Start, Shall we dive into your questions? So do you

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Speaker 4: It's have birds ever been to space?

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Speaker 3: Space birds? Wonderful space birds.

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Speaker 4: Because it turns out, no, they can't fly themselves to space.

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Speaker 3: Wood birds fly.

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Speaker 4: no birds can reach space from Earth. Apparently, NASA says

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Speaker 5: Totally wow.

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Speaker 4: And we partly know that because one went into the engine.

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Speaker 2: Of one unfortunately, so that was a way of measuring it.

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Speaker 5: So we really lost the space race, is what you're saying.

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Speaker 3: Space farming I think was the goal.

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Speaker 1: Space farming, I like that was the Russian's goal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeh see, if we could get a sustainable food

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Speaker 6: Needs grains to feed the chicken. Well, we could just

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Speaker 3: I don't know why they didn't already have them in

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Speaker 4: It was successful ish, which is neat. It turns out

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Speaker 2: This is and that episode is amazing.

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Speaker 4: By the way this was. It was very helpful for

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Speaker 2: So they.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Alex if you want to, if you

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I don't know what's best for showing out

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Speaker 4: They hatch and they kind of flap and bounce around,

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Speaker 4: Everyone is completely open mouthed and a gape.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of hands that faces.

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Speaker 1: This is Amaze's great. Okay, so just just describe it.

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Speaker 1: That's an excellent video. This video only has twenty three

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Speaker 4: I don't know, mister beast, I don't everything against them.

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Speaker 4: This is the YouTube video you should see, is the point. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: This is so this video of everyone I know. If

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Speaker 5: I'm also just fully blown away that they successfully did that.

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Speaker 5: That's wild that they hatched in space and we're hanging out.

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Speaker 5: I also heard that they had like a huge sense

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Speaker 4: I think about that somewhere.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems like they were like okay while they

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Speaker 1: So I get, yeah, they need to develop on Earth

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Speaker 3: Also, behaviorally they struggled, right, Alex, They couldn't really mate

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Speaker 1: Oh and she could have formed the chloacal kiss.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, I'm looking at that video and how they were

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it is now thinking of every Space Mission movie

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Speaker 3: Just I guess thinking of two thousand and one a

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Speaker 4: and eat it.

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Speaker 1: always something I find adorable. And when you have to

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Speaker 1: make tiny implementation for animals in science, like what we

454
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Speaker 1: learn about they made a tiny rat straight jacket.

455
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Speaker 3: Yeah, tiny b helmets.

456
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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.

457
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Speaker 3: But it's cute, very very cute. I wonder even if

458
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Speaker 3: they were able to manage the like say, you could

459
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Speaker 3: have some kind of I don't know, motor control in space,

460
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Speaker 3: they probably didn't even know who to mate with because

461
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Speaker 3: if they didn't imprint on an adult quail, I don't

462
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Speaker 3: see how they have known like to like, I think

463
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Speaker 3: they would have seen the astronauts as who they should

464
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Speaker 3: mate with and then maybe start humping. You know. Ah,

465
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Speaker 3: I don't know who the cosmonauts were, but because there

466
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Speaker 3: was actually a study on earth quails where they imprinted

467
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Speaker 3: them on an albino variant of quails, and they pretty

468
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Speaker 3: much across the word. All the ones that were imprinted

469
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Speaker 3: on this albino quail only wanted to mate with albino quails,

470
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Speaker 3: which is a problem because they're very rare.

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Speaker 7: Interesting.

472
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Speaker 1: I didn't realize the imprinting instinct was so strong. Wow,

473
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Speaker 1: like mating reasons.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's also so interesting because like that's such a

475
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Speaker 5: sci fi concept and such a like psychology concept of

476
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Speaker 5: like the first generation of humans born entirely in space.

477
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Speaker 5: But you can then also apply that to animals where

478
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Speaker 5: it's like you will need like this transitory generation that's

479
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Speaker 5: an in between and then you can have like the

480
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Speaker 5: first generation. It's just so I hadn't thought about that

481
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Speaker 5: aspect of this whole process. That's amazing.

482
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Speaker 3: We'll need we'll need like tiny VR headsets for birds

483
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Speaker 3: to teach them about.

484
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Speaker 5: Maybe the sci fi books write themselves.

485
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Speaker 4: The bird matrix and the educational video like, so you're

486
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Speaker 4: a quail, what life is?

487
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Speaker 3: You may be noticing your body is going through changes.

488
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Speaker 3: Let's talk feathers.

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Speaker 1: Love very good.

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Speaker 7: That is fun ta stick.

491
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it took a Russians a while to like

492
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Speaker 4: execute this successfully. They tried to do it for the

493
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Speaker 4: first time in nineteen seventy nine, but they think that

494
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Speaker 4: the eggs they sent up then received too much radiation

495
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Speaker 4: and too high of temperatures because one hatched wasn't really

496
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Speaker 4: like a successful quail even by space standards. But like

497
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Speaker 4: what like one source I found said that they were

498
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Speaker 4: born without heads, like very strange, horrible situation around. But

499
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Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety they successfully hatched like actual quails.

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Speaker 5: I say, nineteen ninety yeah, yeah, that is so recent.

501
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Speaker 6: But also it took them like such a long time

502
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Speaker 6: to get to that point, from like unsuccessful to figuring it.

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Speaker 5: Out right, Yeah, that's eleven years, Yeah, trying.

504
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a study kind of ongoing right now where

505
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Speaker 1: they're taking freeze dried sperm into space to test if

506
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Speaker 1: there's radiation damage to it, to.

507
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Speaker 3: See if we could human sperm or.

508
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Speaker 1: I think they started with mouse sperm, but I think

509
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Speaker 1: they're going to do human sperm as well, or they're

510
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Speaker 1: in the process, so and they thought it was actually fine.

511
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Speaker 1: So maybe there's something different about birds, maybe because in

512
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Speaker 1: the egg they're less protected from radiation or something along

513
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Speaker 1: those lines.

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Speaker 3: I mean, eggshells are pretty thin, so they I mean

515
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Speaker 3: there's like sometimes eggs have certain coloration that helps protect

516
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Speaker 3: them from like sun U V raysed here on Earth.

517
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Speaker 3: But we're also protected by our atmosphere, which you know,

518
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Speaker 3: it's it's like kind of like you can wear sunscreen

519
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Speaker 3: down on Earth and that protects you from the radiation.

520
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Speaker 3: But once you're outside of the atmosphere, like I think

521
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Speaker 3: astronauts have a special room on the space station that

522
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Speaker 3: they like have to hide in when there's a big

523
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Speaker 3: wave of radiation that comes from the sun. So it's

524
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Speaker 3: a I don't think the thin shell of an egg

525
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Speaker 3: would be enough to protect it from that level of radiation.

526
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Speaker 1: So what I'm hearing is bird egg sunscreen as a

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Speaker 1: mark it.

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Speaker 5: Then it's so so refreshing to hear three words that

529
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Speaker 5: have never been put together language. I was thinking, like

530
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Speaker 5: an egg carton that is like has like NASA on

531
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Speaker 5: it as like gold foil all over.

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Speaker 3: That might work foil, I think would always work. I

533
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Speaker 3: don't know much about foil or how it could stop radiation,

534
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna say yes, space foil.

535
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Speaker 4: When in doubt, go shiny, you know, just.

536
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Speaker 3: It is the higher tech.

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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, science science.

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Speaker 3: I mean it is interesting because there's actually so there

539
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Speaker 3: are birds living in the Chernobyl exclusion Zone get out

540
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Speaker 3: of that. I have actually adapted to the high levels

541
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Speaker 3: of I mean a slightly different type of radiation obviously

542
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 3: not from the Sun but from the nuclear whoopsie daisy.

543
00:27:55,080 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 3: But they they actually have evolved to have higher levels

544
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Speaker 3: of antioxidants and that helps protect them from the radiation.

545
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Speaker 3: And it actually, in some ways it can make them

546
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Speaker 3: even healthier because like they have a lot of antioxidants,

547
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Speaker 3: so that can help in other ways. You know, antioxidants

548
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Speaker 3: will fight against free radicals, which is like when you

549
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Speaker 3: have radiation, it knocks atoms loose, that can you know,

550
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Speaker 3: little particles loose, and then that knocks into like your

551
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Speaker 3: DNA and then causes problems. And so the antioxidants actually

552
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 3: can like bind to these like take up these free

553
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Speaker 3: electrons and then prevent that DNA damage. So these birds

554
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Speaker 3: have developed more of these antioxidants. So I wonder if

555
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Speaker 3: given enough time, if space birds would develop that.

556
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Speaker 1: I was just thinking that probably happened over many, many generations.

557
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Speaker 1: They kind of developed that, not immunity, but that, yeah,

558
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Speaker 1: benefit adaptation.

559
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Speaker 6: But I wonder if you took the antioxidant rich birds

560
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Speaker 6: I'm sent them into space.

561
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's interesting.

562
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Speaker 1: Let's let's send the chernobyl burs to space.

563
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Speaker 3: We should send chernobyl birds to space. Why hasn't anyone done.

564
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Speaker 5: This on screen? For noble bird space? That's amazing.

565
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Speaker 1: So do we have any other examples?

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Speaker 7: Are they the main two?

567
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Speaker 4: It's really these two programs like the apparent, and it's

568
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Speaker 4: also experiments that apparently pretty much stopped after the early

569
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Speaker 4: nineties because in the Russian case, they decided that this

570
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Speaker 4: basically proved quails didn't work as a food source for

571
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Speaker 4: a long year's long space mission. Because part of the

572
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Speaker 4: hope was can we just breed quail as we go

573
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Speaker 4: to Mars or the outer reaches of the galaxy? I guess,

574
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Speaker 4: and they said no, the quail are too weird in space.

575
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Speaker 3: They don't do well, and they're so cute.

576
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Speaker 1: Yeah there is.

577
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a species called Japanese quail. I hadn't seen

578
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Speaker 4: it before, but it's all over East Asia.

579
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Speaker 2: It's very cute, it's great.

580
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Speaker 4: And then the American experiment was mainly just to see

581
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Speaker 4: what happens to chicken eggs in space. It wasn't like

582
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Speaker 4: a long term, far attempt. But the first main attempt

583
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Speaker 4: was unfortunately a dozen fertilized chicken eggs sent up in

584
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Speaker 4: nineteen eighty six on the Challenger space Shuttle mission. So

585
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Speaker 4: it exploded and that that ends. Oh that's right, unfortunate,

586
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 4: but they and then in nineteen eighty nine they sent

587
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Speaker 4: thirty two fertilized chicken eggs on the space Shell Discovery.

588
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Speaker 4: It was called the Chicken Embryo Development in Space Experiment

589
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Speaker 4: or short chicks in Space nuts Like they made a

590
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Speaker 4: fun little acron.

591
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Speaker 3: Theirds love their acronyms.

592
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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, that's that's a good one, though.

593
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Speaker 7: God I'm annoyed at that one. That one's really good.

594
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Speaker 4: Yeah you say so.

595
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Speaker 5: That's also such a room full of male astronauts. Oh yeah,

596
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Speaker 5: kicksen space.

597
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Speaker 3: Like you're there alone, you're not you're not allowed to frightenize.

598
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 3: Chicken's going to start to look a little sexy.

599
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Speaker 5: That's how they trick the astronauts. They're like, no, on

600
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Speaker 5: this mission, there's got to be chicks in space. I

601
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Speaker 5: guess it was really naive of me to think that

602
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Speaker 5: this wouldn't have been a food program. But I'm curious, Katie,

603
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Speaker 5: especially with your some of your bird knowledge, what bird

604
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Speaker 5: you would like to have seen in space or are

605
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Speaker 5: curious about.

606
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Speaker 3: I'd love to see a hummingbird in space because they wow.

607
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Speaker 3: Their method of movement is very different from other birds,

608
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Speaker 3: their flight movement. I wonder if they would have more success.

609
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Speaker 10: Uh.

610
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 3: They they have a very specific kind of thing where

611
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Speaker 3: their wings create these little vortices, and there is air

612
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 3: in the space station. Now, I don't think a hummingbird

613
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Speaker 3: would do well in the vacuum of space, but on

614
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Speaker 3: a space station, I'm wondering if there's enough sort of

615
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Speaker 3: ambient air that they could generate their own little sort

616
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Speaker 3: of controlled vord. But I'm not sure if they would

617
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Speaker 3: do well because they are very sensitive little creatures and

618
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 3: they need to have food pretty constantly, so they would

619
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Speaker 3: need to have some way to feed them pretty regularly,

620
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Speaker 3: and they're so delicate. But yeah, I would if I'd

621
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Speaker 3: be very interested to see if hummingbirds have more success

622
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Speaker 3: flying in space.

623
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Speaker 1: That's that would be very interesting. I'd like to put

624
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Speaker 1: up my suggestion as a Canada goose, is that.

625
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Speaker 5: Just because you don't want them on Earth, you want them.

626
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Speaker 1: Because I would love to see that the chaos that

627
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Speaker 1: would ensue if.

628
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Speaker 6: You don't want for any reason other than just the

629
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Speaker 6: chaos of it.

630
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Speaker 7: I love that.

631
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Speaker 1: I think the sheer anger in them will cause them

632
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Speaker 1: to be successful in space.

633
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 3: And again imagining two thousand and one a Space Odyssey,

634
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Speaker 3: but Hal is played by an angry Canada goose.

635
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Speaker 5: Yes, Katie, I'm imagining. I'm imagining aliens though. It's just

636
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Speaker 5: like the craning neck of the goose, like looking around

637
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 5: corners and being like.

638
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: What if it was?

639
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 3: What if it was?

640
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 5: That?

641
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Speaker 4: Like iss politics stuff where it's like, I mean, Canada

642
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 4: built the iron. We have to let them sound a goose, right,

643
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 4: they build these.

644
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: That's how it works. It's just you put in, you

645
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 2: get out.

646
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 5: You know, it's only fair.

647
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Speaker 1: This is such a specific question. I don't know if

648
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Speaker 1: you know the answer. Did the could the birds make noise?

649
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: The chickens they clucking normally? I don't know why.

650
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: I great question.

651
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 4: No idea yeah, I think it's the only hatched ones

652
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 4: up there are the quails, So we don't know about

653
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 4: chicken noises in space.

654
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Speaker 3: They should technically be able to. They might again if

655
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Speaker 3: they don't have the learning process. I mean, it would

656
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Speaker 3: be very interesting because I'm sure they could make some noise.

657
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: I don't know how much. Quails don't have that complex

658
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 3: of songs. Their songs would probably be off because they

659
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 3: have nothing to kind of learn from, like their calls,

660
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 3: not really songs, more like these calls. If you tried

661
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 3: to put a songbird in space with no sort of

662
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Speaker 3: not a lot of learning, it would be very interesting.

663
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 3: I think that that'ud be another thing. I'd like to

664
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Speaker 3: see sort of songbirds in space and to study sort

665
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 3: of there. Yeah, although there's plenty, there's plenty of like

666
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Speaker 3: ways to isolate songbirds on Earth and study how messed

667
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 3: up we could get those songs to be.

668
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Speaker 1: But it's not cool unless it's in space space exactly.

669
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Speaker 4: I have imagining they don't have parents to learn from.

670
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 4: But then astronaut Chris Hadfield starts playing the guitar and

671
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Speaker 4: the bird just joins it, and everyone's heart melts.

672
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 5: You know, they just learn a lot David Bowie.

673
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Speaker 4: With the American chickens. So they it's it's partly interesting

674
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Speaker 4: with the radiation. This this Discovery mission orbited Earth for

675
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Speaker 4: five days, went around eighty times, and then nothing hatched

676
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 4: in space. But when they returned, we did hatch a chicken,

677
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,959
Speaker 4: and apparently they named the chicken Kentucky and then as

678
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 4: like a gag, well not as a gag, they let

679
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 4: it live at the Louisville Zoo in Louisville, Kentucky, but

680
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 4: as a gag they put up signage that said they

681
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 4: were the original recipe of space chickens, which is like

682
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 4: a KFC references who don't know American fast food, but

683
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 4: that's when.

684
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 5: They get them so tasty.

685
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 7: Yeah that's cruel. Yeah, I love it.

686
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 3: This chicken should be a space hero and instead we're

687
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 3: going like, yeah, we bread and eat your family, right,

688
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: delicious spices.

689
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 4: Like the mission was just for science and then you

690
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 4: know we did bits about frying Mamma Earth, you know,

691
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 4: crazy silly, and the.

692
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Speaker 1: Chicken was fine. Yeah, there was no they were just

693
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: they carried on. They didn't die early or anything.

694
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems like the radiation didn't mess them up terribly.

695
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 4: And yeah, they got to grow up truth gravity. So

696
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 4: there's nothing at least in the main source. Here is

697
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 4: an amazing piece from Audubon, but they add and other stuff.

698
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 4: There's no word of any problems.

699
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 7: Yeah, wow, goodness.

700
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Speaker 2: But that's it.

701
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I didn't know anything about this. And apparently

702
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 4: Audubon research shit because they did a Q and A

703
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 4: in twenty seventeen where somebody asked them of birds and

704
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 4: busness space and they just said no, And then people

705
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 4: brought up this stuff and they were like, no, there

706
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 4: is actually this like little secret, weird history of a

707
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 4: few birds in space.

708
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Speaker 3: Wow.

709
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Speaker 6: That is so interesting and I'm so curious to see

710
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 6: what the future holds for birds going into space. I'm

711
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 6: sure it's not the last time that we're going to

712
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 6: try and bring them up.

713
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Speaker 1: So that is yeah, so much fun. So NASA and

714
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: whatever the Russian space was it called, please take our

715
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: birds into consideration.

716
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 5: We know you're listening. Yeah, we know your Max Fun supporters.

717
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 5: We'd like to order one hummingbird and one Canada goose please.

718
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, be sure to link that Babies and Space episode

719
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 4: you hoped that in case people haven't heard it, like

720
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 4: that cockroach story especially.

721
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: Wow, amazing, won't spoil it.

722
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Speaker 1: Thank you for coming onto our podcast and plugging off

723
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Speaker 1: on this.

724
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 3: This is how we get invited back.

725
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: But I don't know what it was about them. I

726
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: just love them so much.

727
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Speaker 5: So the first question I want to ask our guests

728
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 5: was to ask Katie how her background in science influences

729
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 5: her Twitter account birds Rights Activists, which at first I

730
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 5: said mostly as a joke, but now having heard all

731
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Speaker 5: of these bird facts. Oh, and I also should say

732
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 5: fanning out a little bit. Because I was very late

733
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Speaker 5: to Twitter. One of the first Twitter accounts I ever

734
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 5: followed was birds Rights Activists, and so when I made

735
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 5: that connection, I lost my mind. But you know, it

736
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 5: is very interesting and I feel like, you know, me

737
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 5: and Ella and Caroline have a similar path of like

738
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Speaker 5: from science into the science comedy world. And I'm curious

739
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Speaker 5: how much of that both like informs how you do

740
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Speaker 5: creative stuff, and how much of it do you actually

741
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 5: get to like use your some of those factoids in

742
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Speaker 5: that science brain.

743
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I would say, actually, I've always loved birds.

744
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 3: When I was really little, I would chase after them

745
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 3: because I thought if I could like grab one, I

746
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 3: could convince it to be my friend. I thought I

747
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 3: just needed to listen to reason. So my mom would

748
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 3: watch me just like run around the yard trying to

749
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 3: chase after birds. I once tried to make a little

750
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 3: like Wiley coyote trap, where it was a box, a

751
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 3: shoe box and a little stick and string, and I

752
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 3: just like sat there. Nothing happened, but I sat there

753
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: for a good ten minutes.

754
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Speaker 2: I did love that Wiley's story. I love that so much.

755
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 7: Wow, that's incredible.

756
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 5: And then you tried dressing up as like a female bird,

757
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 5: and then yeah.

758
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Speaker 3: I think there's something. They're so cute, but they're also

759
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 3: oh so alien, and I love that they are literally

760
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 3: little dinosaurs. They're the only living dinosaur and they when

761
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 3: you see like an ostrich or a rea or a cassowary,

762
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 3: you can really see these are dinosaurs. These are modern dinosaurs,

763
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Speaker 3: which I love that about them, But they are also

764
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 3: really there's something so funny about their behavior where they

765
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: just are so self obsessed and wonderful.

766
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Speaker 7: And I.

767
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Speaker 3: And there's something so kind of unapologetically ostentatious about birds,

768
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Speaker 3: the male birds of so many species, just flaunting their

769
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 3: beauty doing all these things. They're like the most I

770
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 3: don't know. They're they're the most adorably arrogant species of animals,

771
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Speaker 3: and so I think that their personalities are always really

772
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Speaker 3: interesting to me, and I've always been fascinated by it,

773
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Speaker 3: and it's probably that's part of the reason I probably

774
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Speaker 3: was interested in animals in general. And so yeah, I

775
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Speaker 3: mean I think, oh, I never really specifically studied bird behavior.

776
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 3: It was just like sort of general evolutionary biology, general psychology,

777
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 3: but I would. I would go bird watching a lot,

778
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Speaker 3: and I just I think that they're Yeah, it's it's

779
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 3: the they're alien enough from us, very different from mammals,

780
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Speaker 3: that it is really fascinating to me to see so

781
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Speaker 3: many of these behaviors that I empathize with, like really

782
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Speaker 3: wanting to look pretty and you know, like cocking your

783
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Speaker 3: head all the time, like a am I pretty? Tell

784
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Speaker 3: me I'm pretty?

785
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Speaker 1: Katie. Just a little add on question to that, do

786
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Speaker 1: you have a favorite bird song?

787
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Speaker 3: Oh, that's a really good question. Gosh, I mean, my

788
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 3: favorite this is not really a bird's song, this is

789
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Speaker 3: a bird call. But my favorite sort of juxtaposition of

790
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 3: a bird called to what the bird looks like is peacocks,

791
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 3: because peacocks are these beautiful elegant birds and then they

792
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 3: do their call and just like that you could ever hear.

793
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Speaker 10: But yeah, I mean there are I think my favorite,

794
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 10: my favorite sort of fact about like a bird song

795
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 10: or birds sound is that there are these birds called

796
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Speaker 10: the club wing mannequins, and they are the only bird

797
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 10: to do a thing called stridulation, which is how you

798
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 10: put a lot of insects produce sound using stridulations where

799
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Speaker 10: you actually rub two body parts together, usually one has

800
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Speaker 10: some bridges against it.

801
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 5: That's how crickets right.

802
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly like crickets cicadas, and it can produce this

803
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 3: really loud sound. And club wing mannequins I'll use these

804
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 3: modified weathers and wings and rub these together very rapidly

805
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 3: to create this like really interesting. It sounds like they're

806
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 3: using their voice though it sounds like a like like

807
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 3: and it sounds beautiful and it's like but this is

808
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 3: actually produced through stridulation. And they are so committed to

809
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 3: the bit that there cannot fly good, like they have

810
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 3: sacrificed being able to fly really well, like they can fly,

811
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 3: but they're really clumsy and really awkward, and it's it's

812
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 3: just amazing, and I love I love that they are

813
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 3: so such divas that they're like, I don't need to

814
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 3: fly good, I just need to sound good.

815
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: That I posted a video of the sound they make.

816
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: What that sounds just like it's that's so credible.

817
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, just like it's singing. But no, it's just rubbing

818
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 3: than feathers together.

819
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 5: It's like it sounds almost like a like a foam vibrating,

820
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 5: very high pitched wild.

821
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 1: That's so weird.

822
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 4: And the physical movement is such a like speedy up

823
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 4: and down and it looks like when a character is

824
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 4: dancing and a children's computer animated movie. It has very

825
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 4: the movie sing energy.

826
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Speaker 2: You know, like it's Yeah, I just.

827
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Speaker 3: I love the rizz of birds, the world's best rizzarned.

828
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 3: It's a new I think it's a gen Z thing,

829
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 3: zoomer thing. They say. They say riz all the time.

830
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 3: I'm so old, but.

831
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: Carolines Caroline's resident gen Z.

832
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 3: So riz am I allowed to say riz as a millennial?

833
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 5: Yes, go for it, okay, especially about birds.

834
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 6: Maybe just don't text it, just say it.

835
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, Oh, I have some apology text to send okay, And.

836
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 5: I got two guests with a ton of raise.

837
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Speaker 1: Okay, So I have a question for Alex Now. So

838
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Speaker 1: back in one of our episodes, Tom did a breakdown

839
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Speaker 1: of emoji things, the history of emojis. It was wonderful,

840
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: and he did mention that you came up with the

841
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: buffalo emojis, but basically, yeah, in my head, I doesn't.

842
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, how does someone I know came up with

843
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: an emoji that people use? Like that's wild to me?

844
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: What's that? What?

845
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: What?

846
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: What?

847
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 5: And well, I also want to say, this is something

848
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 5: that I actively didn't have time to include in that episode,

849
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 5: was like the process of like making like how a

850
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 5: bill becomes a bill, how an emoji becomes an emoji?

851
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 5: And so I'm I and I did that purposefully because

852
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 5: I knew one day we'd have you on.

853
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 4: Yeah it's all pay it off.

854
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

855
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 4: It was a really wonderful experience that it turns out

856
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 4: anyone in the public can propose an emoji. It's not

857
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 4: gate enough to only specific people. And it oddly had

858
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 4: a lot to do with podcasting, Like I heard an

859
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 4: episode of It's called Welcome to Macintosh by Mark Bramhill,

860
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 4: but then they featured it on ninety nine percent Invisible,

861
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 4: hosted by Roman Mars, who at least one person on

862
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 4: the show does an amazing impression.

863
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 2: On there we go ed.

864
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 4: And so they talked about him proposing the person in

865
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 4: lotus position emoji and all the genders of that. And

866
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 4: it turns out there's this nonprofit called unicode that's basically

867
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 4: made of volunteers from all the big tech companies. And

868
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Speaker 4: so if you go to them, write up a proposal

869
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 4: and go through at least one round of back and

870
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 4: forth with them, which was my experience, and also they

871
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 4: were super friendly, super nice, but you basically need to

872
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 4: make a convincing proposal. I think mine was like eighteen

873
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 4: pages of why this.

874
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Speaker 2: Should be an emotion?

875
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 4: What no, I'm sorry, and parts of it were big

876
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 4: pictures of graphs. It's cool, you know, but but yeah,

877
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 4: once you basically convince them that it's a symbol that

878
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 4: would have lasting usefulness, they will say yes or no

879
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 4: and do it. And so I got to get the

880
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 4: bison emoji.

881
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: Set up a bison sorry not buffalo.

882
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 5: We talked about in the in the episode, how like

883
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 5: these are ostensibly permanent, like they're in once they're in

884
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 5: the code that they don't want to like reverse that.

885
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 5: So this like longstanding, this has been sure eighteen pages

886
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 5: to convince that's so, that's.

887
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: Such a legacy. That's an amazing legacy.

888
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 6: To why like eighteen pages worth of things to say?

889
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, could do you have an example of some of

890
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: the kind of arguments you made? Oh?

891
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I learned in the process that you know,

892
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 4: I knew there was a North American bison. I learned

893
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Speaker 4: there's a European bison as well. It's mostly in kind

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Speaker 4: of Poland and Belarus, sort of in eastern Europe and

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Speaker 4: forests there, and it used to have a bigger range,

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Speaker 4: but just human population growth pushed it out, and so

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Speaker 4: I was like, it's an international symbol. This means various

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Speaker 4: things to various cultures. And then and like Buffalo is

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Speaker 4: the common American name for it, and so the city

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Speaker 4: of Buffalo, New York, and a lot of different things

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Speaker 4: like that were helpful, and I think I think I

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Speaker 4: also picked on some other already included emoji. I was like,

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Speaker 4: there's already two kinds of camel, how can there be

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Speaker 4: no bison? You know that you kind of look at

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Speaker 4: the existing keyboard and growing shade.

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Speaker 3: How dare those camels?

907
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Speaker 1: That's so cool?

908
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Speaker 4: And it was a whole I ended up making a

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Speaker 4: mini podcast about it because there were also a lot

910
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Speaker 4: of kind of personally things and elements related to it.

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Speaker 4: Katie guests on the mini podcast, and it was wonderful

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Speaker 4: interest a part about how bison are cool, but it

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Speaker 4: was also partly that my dad really loved bison. And

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Speaker 4: he also worked at a place in Illinois where there's

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Speaker 4: like a particle accelerator, and then on top of the

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Speaker 4: particle accelerator, they have prairie that's being restored in some bisons.

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Speaker 4: We would go see those and stuff. But like, after

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Speaker 4: he passed away, I thought about, what's.

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Speaker 2: The thing I can do?

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Speaker 4: And that was the thing I could do was an emojic.

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Speaker 1: That's so so Also, I hope that was a line

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Speaker 1: in the proposal. My dad really liked.

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Speaker 11: Them idea, But yeah, it would it would be funny

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Speaker 11: if I revealed that, like Unicode super interested in Dad's

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Speaker 11: They want to know tell them about your dad.

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Speaker 5: The secret you've got submit on Father's Day. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 5: thinking for a bonus episode now, each of us should

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Speaker 5: write a paper on an emoji that we could propose.

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Speaker 1: You want me to write a paper for a bonus episode?

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Speaker 1: A symbol?

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Speaker 7: I don't think so Tom.

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Speaker 1: Let's learn everything. Discord users come and tell us what

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Speaker 1: proposal that's and everything you should write as for an emoji,

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Speaker 1: and we can do it together.

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Speaker 5: The double middle finger emoji. I'm trying to think, like,

936
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Speaker 5: what's us, what's our?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it is like before I did it and

938
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Speaker 4: heard about it, I really thought there would be some

939
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Speaker 4: kind of like you need to no computers or you

940
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Speaker 4: need to work in a tech.

941
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Speaker 5: Husband to stop me.

942
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Speaker 4: But you can just do it and and there's public

943
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Speaker 4: guidelines for how to do it.

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Speaker 5: That's wild.

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Speaker 1: I love.

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Speaker 3: That's amazing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like I want to go and read

948
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Speaker 6: the public guidelines just to see.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I want to try now, but I

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Speaker 1: can't give anything.

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Speaker 5: We're interesting. You guys want to write a paper for

952
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Speaker 5: a sound like fort.

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Speaker 3: But there must be so many proposals for emoji. It's

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Speaker 3: amazing that your your emoji got selected and will be

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Speaker 3: looked at by future archaeologists trying to decode our hieroglyphics

956
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Speaker 3: of the twenty first century.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's such a good way to look at when

958
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Speaker 6: the bison are an extinct, that'll be what remains whoa.

959
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 3: When it's aliens, But those aliens turn out to be

960
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Speaker 3: birds that we shot off into space and who have all.

961
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Speaker 4: It's all coming together, it's all one thing.

962
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Speaker 3: Come back to Earth and they're like, God, damn it,

963
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Speaker 3: you blew it all the hell.

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Speaker 5: Dirty. It's just a giant bison emoji. For some reason,

965
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Speaker 5: I don't know how just work. One question I do

966
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 5: want to ask is because y'all have been on and

967
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 5: hosted and started and guested on just a slew of podcasts,

968
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Speaker 5: and I'm just curious how your podcast journey, how how happened? How?

969
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 5: How how do how do you do?

970
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 7: And how do you come together?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go ahead.

973
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Speaker 1: So I'll tell the story. Don't worry.

974
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Speaker 5: You ran into each other at a bookstore and you

975
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 5: like you crashed into each other and you're helping each

976
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 5: other pick up books and you're like, oh this is

977
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Speaker 5: on animals, Oh this is on history, And then.

978
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Speaker 3: We kept going No, you go ahead, now, yous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The secret is politeness, you know, but I a lot

981
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 4: of it is probably We both worked at a website

982
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 4: called cracked dot com. That is, it's not really good anymore,

983
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 4: but like I got there through doing social media stuff

984
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 4: and making gifts and editing, writing like a lot of

985
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 4: other things I was doing. And then they had a

986
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 4: podcast and contributed to that, and and then got to

987
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 4: host a podcast for them for a while. And so

988
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Speaker 4: the start of it was basically working at comedy websites

989
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Speaker 4: for me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

991
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I got to meet Katie there because

992
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Speaker 4: they especially I remember when she was like getting hired, especially,

993
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Speaker 4: somebody said that the pro bird rights person might be

994
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Speaker 4: willing to work here. It would be amazing if we

995
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Speaker 4: could might be willing they possibly get their help with things.

996
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: You know, I just I want you to continue, but

997
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 1: I just have to just very quickly highlight that you said, Jiff,

998
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: and that's very upsetting to me. I know, I know,

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00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:43,280
Speaker 1: all right.

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00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 2: Yeah it's a whole thing. But yeah, you put it

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Speaker 2: in post.

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Speaker 5: Don't worry.

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Speaker 1: We're a strong gift team here.

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00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 7: So I really are. I think this does mean that

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00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 7: you're not allowed to come back.

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00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:04,479
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, can renounce your ways and and and see can.

1007
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Speaker 3: We please the show again? Have you guys heard of

1008
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 3: a show called Let's Learn Everything Everything? Yeah?

1009
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: I was just saying about that.

1010
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I say, give it's really good. They're all really charming.

1011
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, but.

1012
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: Watch yourself Okay, you can say a bit longer. Yeah, sorry,

1013
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: I completely interrupted you.

1014
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 3: I think Alex, I think we bonded initially over our

1015
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 3: mutual respect for Peanuts comics.

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00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 2: That's real.

1017
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 3: And I would draw a sort of dark version of

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00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 3: Peanuts just to just to get Alex's because he was

1019
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 3: such a Peanuts appreciator. So I did a version where

1020
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 3: Snoopy just was a huge bully.

1021
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 5: You know.

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00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 3: I think that we started collaborating more after that and

1023
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 3: eventually podcasting.

1024
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 4: Oh wow, I'm like humongous fan of Peanuts and Snoopy,

1025
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 4: And there there might be slight typing sounds in me

1026
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 4: right now because I'm looking for the tweet where there's

1027
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 4: a bunch of Keys comics.

1028
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 2: But they're great.

1029
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 4: It's it's Snoopy being a dark figure like he kind

1030
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 4: of is in the real strips, where just he just

1031
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 4: pushes Charlie Brown around.

1032
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Speaker 2: It's great.

1033
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: We'll we'll put a link. We'll put a link to

1034
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: that in the in the show notes so you can

1035
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: go and look at Keys.

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00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 5: All great friendships start with an amazing bite.

1037
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, it doesn't start with politeness being a bully.

1038
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: Our relationship three of us definitely didn't stop with politeness

1039
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: so correct? Yeah, shall we do?

1040
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 6: She doesn't plugs and shout outs yeah.

1041
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: Anyway, are you going so high?

1042
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 3: Any keep going up and up and up.

1043
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 4: Like I just did positive gestures. So I think that

1044
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 4: forced Caroline to keep speaking.

1045
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 5: And one more for the dogs listening.

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00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 6: Thank you both so so much before we go, plug yourselves,

1047
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 6: plug your podcast?

1048
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 7: Where can the people find you?

1049
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 5: Well?

1050
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 3: Have you heard of this podcast called amazing host invites

1051
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 3: genius gifts, top top quality for sure.

1052
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 1: Actually plug yourself actually, and we're.

1053
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 4: So excited to be on maximum fun with y'all ed

1054
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 4: and making secretly incredibly fascinating false can search the words

1055
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 4: secretly in their app. It's the red one that comes up,

1056
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 4: but it's it's a joy to make it. And then

1057
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,240
Speaker 4: Katie's amazing podcast on her own is creature feature about

1058
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 4: animals and science and more about animals.

1059
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Speaker 3: Not always in space though, yeah, sometimes on Earth most

1060
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 3: of the time, actually.

1061
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Speaker 6: On unfortunately disappoint that's disappointing, isn't it?

1062
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, so boring, so boring once even on Earth, a

1063
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 4: bunch of worms and stuff.

1064
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 5: Actually, there is one pretty good podcast that is hosted

1065
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 5: on Earth, actually, yeah, which is we Won't Say You

1066
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Speaker 5: have to listen to all three of them to.

1067
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Speaker 3: Find out it's a secret.

1068
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 5: Incredibly fascinating. Oh my god.

1069
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Speaker 6: Okay, okay, and are there any socials I would like

1070
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 6: to plug as well for the two of you, yeah.

1071
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 2: Pro bird rights, but but also.

1072
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 4: Alex Schmitzstagram on Instagram and I have not really ramped

1073
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 4: up on TikTok much yet, but Alex SCHMDDI on TikTok

1074
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 4: and then it's siff pod on everything for the pretty secret.

1075
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 4: Incredibly fascinating.

1076
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 5: You have some great risk on there, such rizz.

1077
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Speaker 2: Manage it so I can handle it, you know. Geez.

1078
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm also on the Blue Sky I know. I

1079
00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 3: love bird tweets on there, so I had some invite

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Speaker 3: cords if you guys, I'm going on here.

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Speaker 1: John and Carolina just approaching the camera very slowly and menacingly.

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Speaker 5: I would like to add, but yeah, thank you truly,

1083
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 5: thank y'all so so so much, learned the time, and

1084
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 5: also had a bunch of chaotic fund This is a delight.

1085
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 5: You'll are amazing.

1086
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: I love it. I love the chaos of this episode.

1087
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: It was wonderful. Thank you so much for coming.

1088
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having us wonderful.

1089
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 6: So on this episode we have learned all about the

1090
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 6: birds that have gone into space. They can't fly there,

1091
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 6: but humans have taken there and they have done some

1092
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 6: weird things trying to fly around in there.

1093
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 7: We have learnt.

1094
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 6: About Katie's background in birds, the lover of birds, the

1095
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:53,720
Speaker 6: trying to trap birds, how that allowed to her amazing

1096
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 6: Twitter account, and also learned about the process the eighteen

1097
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Speaker 6: page longation to get the bus to be an emoji.

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Speaker 6: Join us next time, where we will learn about.

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Speaker 5: Every day.

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Speaker 1: Let's Learn Everything is a maximum fun podcast hosted and

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00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: produced by Ella Hubber, Tom Land, and Caroline Broker, with

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00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,439
Speaker 1: editing and music by the wonderful and talented Tom Land.

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Speaker 6: Join us next time, where we will learn and we

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Speaker 6: all say it about.

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00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: We will say it ready, everything. We will say everything, everything, everything,

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00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: the worst one we've ever done again. We should start

1107
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: telling people that in advance before we get to that point.

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Speaker 1: This has happened almost every time we've had a guest,

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Speaker 1: We're like, We're like, it's happening, and everyone's and the

1110
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Speaker 1: guests are all like, what's happened.

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Speaker 2: I just didn't think of myself as getting able to

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Speaker 2: do it, you know, so that's right.

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Speaker 3: I have permission. Am I a part of things? Or

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00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 3: am I not a part of things?

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00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: You're always oppose things.

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Speaker 5: Maximum Fun a worker owned network of artists owned shows

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Speaker 5: supported directly by you.