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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I'm Nancy Grace. This is

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at

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Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Serious x M one eleven. Take a listen.

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Speaker 1: New York Criminal defense attorney at Belkan Law dot com.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist, chief of Psychiatry Memorial Regional

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Speaker 1: former Senior Special Agent d EA, author of Executives Guide

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Speaker 1: Global Security Group dot com. And joining us from wink Wi,

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Speaker 1: when I hear that part, where's the baby? You know?

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Speaker 1: Ken Belcon? Aside from the fear and instills in me

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Speaker 1: K TV Fort Myers. Is this ring doorbell audio? It is.

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Speaker 1: doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist, there is a feeling of safety,

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Speaker 1: Get a psychological He's right, of course, but we have

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Speaker 1: the babies. And this was not the first baby. Have

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Speaker 1: to doctor Daniel Bober. We've covered it many, many times

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Speaker 1: when women will actually kill the mom, cut their stomach

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Speaker 1: want a baby. Well, Nancy, I know you're gonna give

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Speaker 1: me a hard time on this, but probably sometimes it's

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Speaker 1: time a kidnapping or other crime has been caught on

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Speaker 1: a ring doorbell. Listen to our friend Jeff Ealing at

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Speaker 1: ABC thirteen News. Pourbell cameras caught the abduction of eight

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Speaker 1: year old Salem Subotka, her mother thrown to the ground

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Speaker 1: doing about it? Jeff King is a local pastor. He

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Speaker 1: knows Salem's parents. He and a friend then spoke with police. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I talked to a detective. He was a playing close

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Speaker 1: to techive. He said to check parks, he said to

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Speaker 1: check hotels. Within hours, King found the suspect's car in

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Speaker 1: a nearby hotel. Police rushed in to save the girl,

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Speaker 1: sharing the audio of the moment Salem was rescued. You know,

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Speaker 1: of Heidi Broussard. Is that name ringing a bell to anybody?

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Speaker 1: Heidi Broussard had just given birth to a new baby,

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Speaker 1: and then her so called best friend, Megan fear Amusca

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Speaker 1: traveled hours and hours to abduct Heidi, get the baby,

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Speaker 1: can't explain where even though you May. In that case,

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Speaker 1: did her best friend's baby. There's case after case after

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Speaker 1: case of pregnant mobs being killed, of babies being abducted

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Speaker 1: to carry out a scam that the kidnapper was actually pregnant.

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Speaker 1: Why is that the case here? But back to ring doorbells,

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Speaker 1: here's another example. Take a listen to Kanye Whitworth ABC

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Speaker 1: News tonight. The man in this video is behind bars.

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Speaker 1: The terrifying attack captured on a neighbor's doorbell camera. Police

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Speaker 1: say the woman was running from her estranged boyfriend. She's

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Speaker 1: kicking and screaming as the man grabs her hair, violently

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Speaker 1: drags her away, and threatens to kill her. It happened

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Speaker 1: in this neighborhood in Arcadia, California, just before midnight Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Police got the video on Monday and moved in, rescuing

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Speaker 1: the woman and arresting twenty seven year old Robert Michael Mendez,

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Speaker 1: who police say was holding the woman against her will

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Speaker 1: by the homeowner in this case. But the company ring

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Speaker 1: has video sharing relationships with more than four hundred police

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Speaker 1: And David at Mendez was booked on charges including attempted murder, kidnapping,

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Speaker 1: and false imprisonment. The woman was so badly hurt she

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Speaker 1: our friends at kmov to David Kats, formerly with the

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Speaker 1: da NOW Global Security Group, what is that that now

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Speaker 1: all Ringing cameras are connected to the police. Well, it

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Speaker 1: allows law enforcement to get access in virtual real time too,

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Speaker 1: evidence of a crime that may need rapid response. And look,

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Speaker 1: you have a kidnapping in this case, and immediately you

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Speaker 1: get a look at the suspect. You might have a

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Speaker 1: look at the guy's car, and then further from there

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Speaker 1: you look at a neighbor's house, maybe a neighbors and

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Speaker 1: maybe a neighbor has a different at camera angle. Now

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Speaker 1: you've got a license plate. And then once you get

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Speaker 1: a license plate, now you're figuring out you know where'd

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Speaker 1: the car go to? The car go through a tunnel?

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Speaker 1: Now that you know it's been a where you are

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Speaker 1: a lot of police cars on the locations have license

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Speaker 1: plate readers, so that one step where ring cameras is

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Speaker 1: interfaced with law enforcement. That is a huge and I

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Speaker 1: can't even overstate how helpful that would be in the

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Speaker 1: situations like this and in a case ongoing right now.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to cut thirteen. Gretchen Parsons. I

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Speaker 1: think we all know about this ring camera video. Just

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Speaker 1: into our newsroom. We have video that shows seven year

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Speaker 1: old JJ Valo just days before he disappeared. Footage from

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Speaker 1: a neighbor's ring doorbell camera and rex Burg. The video

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Speaker 1: shows JJ playing and then running into his mother, Ry

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Speaker 1: Valo's town home. It's from ZEP two, number seventeenth and

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Speaker 1: JJ was last seen September twenty three at Kennedy Elementary

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Speaker 1: School in Rexburg. JJ's missing sister, seventeen year old Tylie Ryan,

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Speaker 1: She was last seen September eighth in Yellowstone. Last question

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Speaker 1: Parsons at KTVB that ring video helped crack the case

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Speaker 1: of COLTMM Laurie Valo and her freaky new husband, Chad

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Speaker 1: day Bell, resulting in the discovery of the bodies of JJ.

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Speaker 1: Entirely that helped build a timeline as far as this

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Speaker 1: would be, Kidnapper twenty eight year old Hannah braun we

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Speaker 1: wait as justice unfals Nancy Grace' crime story, signing off

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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,