Speaker 1: And now.
Speaker 2: Go my my back.
Speaker 1: You're like that.
Speaker 3: We can strike waters from headquarters behind him and.
Speaker 1: You're just tuned in the civic cipher. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: ramsays Jack. I go by the name q Ward most
Speaker 1: of the time. Yes, indeed, and we want you to
Speaker 1: stick around. We've got a lot more show coming your way.
Speaker 1: We are still going to be talking about guns, and
Speaker 1: specifically how everyone tends to focus on everything except the
Speaker 1: real issue. So we're going to shed some light on
Speaker 1: some of the more forgive me Asa nine things that
Speaker 1: have been suggested instead of actually dealing with, you know,
Speaker 1: the reality of the situation here in this country. We're
Speaker 1: also going to spend some time talking about uh, a
Speaker 1: young lady named Latasha Harris and how important she was
Speaker 1: to Tubac. I don't want to tell her story before
Speaker 1: we get there, but you might know the name. He
Speaker 1: mentioned her in a lot of his music, so we're
Speaker 1: going to dedicate our way black history factor her. But
Speaker 1: first and foremost, we're going to discuss how to become
Speaker 1: a better ally bah bah. So if you are a
Speaker 1: NFL boss, you should probably turn up your radio right now.
Speaker 1: I got some real game for you. If only they
Speaker 1: cared to listen all right. This one comes from Sports Illustrated.
Speaker 1: The NBA has fifteen black head coaches for the first time.
Speaker 1: I will read with the lakers hiring of Darvin him
Speaker 1: that was official. As of Friday, June third, fifteen of
Speaker 1: the NBA's thirty teams will have a black head coach
Speaker 1: for the first time in league history. The NBA Commissioner
Speaker 1: Adam Silver said at the NBA Finals quote, this isn't
Speaker 1: unique to the NBA, and I've learned this from other businesses.
Speaker 1: You have to talk about these issues all the time.
Speaker 1: If you care about diversity and inclusion in your workplace,
Speaker 1: you've got to look at the data. You've got to
Speaker 1: constantly present it to your colleagues, to your department heads,
Speaker 1: to your teams, and it has to become a focusing quote.
Speaker 1: Silver discussed his hope for a day when the color
Speaker 1: of a person's skin is no longer newsworthy, when they
Speaker 1: are hired to a prominent role going on to stay. Quote.
Speaker 1: At the same time, while I'm particularly proud of these
Speaker 1: numbers and that roughly fifty percent of our head coaches
Speaker 1: are black, now, the goal is that's not newsworthy, is
Speaker 1: that that's not newsworthy, and that when people are hired,
Speaker 1: their first reaction isn't the color of their skin. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be naive either, though, because I know
Speaker 1: that what we do in this league is important symbolically,
Speaker 1: not just for sports, but for other industries, and people
Speaker 1: watch us all around the world. Now, sometimes we give
Speaker 1: you advice, sometimes we give you examples. That very much
Speaker 1: is an example diversity at its best, and I think
Speaker 1: that the NBA is better for it. I certainly have
Speaker 1: noticed a lot of people engaged this go round. Indeed,
Speaker 1: now back to the lecture at hand, that was a
Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg reference for those not old enough, very very
Speaker 1: hard not to continue with those lyrics. So forgive that
Speaker 1: pregnant pauls. Why is everyone focusing on everything but the
Speaker 1: real issue, which is guns and the real answer, which
Speaker 1: is gun control? So ms Maggie aka Maggie be. No
Speaker 1: one points out to us that the main issues are
Speaker 1: that whoever wants a gun can have a gun. The
Speaker 1: lack of community and conflict resolution skills means that anyone
Speaker 1: with a gun can use the gun to solve problems
Speaker 1: that shouldn't be solved with a gun. Of course, the
Speaker 1: NRA suggests that there should be more funding for police
Speaker 1: and security, and police and schools, which we both wholly reject.
Speaker 1: School security. Not mad at that school police. That's different.
Speaker 1: Maybe a conversation for another day, maybe a conversation today.
Speaker 1: We'll see how I feel. And for those that want
Speaker 1: to do a little bit more research on that topic,
Speaker 1: you can check out this show. One of our first episodes,
Speaker 1: we had a woman up named Janelle Wood who came
Speaker 1: up to discuss the school to prison pipeline, and she
Speaker 1: is much more able to articulate how troubling the data
Speaker 1: is from schools that hire police officers and what the
Speaker 1: implications are when that happens. Also, I saw recently John
Speaker 1: Oliver do a segment on school police as well, and
Speaker 1: he did it masterfully. We appreciate it's another ally, yes,
Speaker 1: So it's not just me, it's not just this show.
Speaker 1: These are people who have compiled data on their own.
Speaker 1: But perhaps we'll circle back to it. The other thing
Speaker 1: that Maggie b no One wants us to make sure
Speaker 1: to mention is that right wing and gun supporters suggest
Speaker 1: the following nan traps, new doors, fewer doors, trip wires,
Speaker 1: God and religion. I mean, I've been there have been
Speaker 1: lots of thoughts and prayers so far. So for him
Speaker 1: to say that we need God and religion, I don't
Speaker 1: know what the basis of that is. Not knocking God,
Speaker 1: not knocking religion. That's not my way. But you know,
Speaker 1: we need to do more. We need to take responsibility.
Speaker 1: We can't put the responsibility squarely in God's lap. If
Speaker 1: we have the tools among ourselves to fix the problem,
Speaker 1: that's what I mean. Investments in classroom should include colorful
Speaker 1: ballistic blankets. That's another idea suggested by the right, and
Speaker 1: of course.
Speaker 2: Suggested by an elected official, someone who's already in office,
Speaker 2: not someone who is trying to get your attention. This
Speaker 2: is someone who's salaries paid by your tax dollars, and
Speaker 2: their job is to create meaningful legislation for you and
Speaker 2: your children. Her suggestion colorful ballistic blankets. Let us not
Speaker 2: forget the granddaddy of all of these arming teachers in
Speaker 2: the classrooms. So these are some of the ideas that
Speaker 2: have been suggested by the right, And.
Speaker 1: I guess To's point is she has noticed that nationally
Speaker 1: we're focusing on everything. I'm not picking on the right,
Speaker 1: We all of us are focusing on everything but the
Speaker 1: real issue guns.
Speaker 2: I'm picking on the right. If you hear my voice,
Speaker 2: I'm because the voices that are focusing on all these
Speaker 2: wrong things.
Speaker 1: All come from the right. That's fair. Now. The thing
Speaker 1: about this is that when we're talking about gun violence,
Speaker 1: when we're talking about these devices that are used to
Speaker 1: end lives, you know, and that's the only purpose people.
Speaker 1: I think we said it best at the beginning. It's
Speaker 1: like a part of their identity, not necessarily a part
Speaker 1: of their reality. We need to keep our guns because
Speaker 1: it's my right. They don't live in war zones, they don't,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like death is not around
Speaker 1: the corner for these folks, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: to the degree that would justify them having AR fifteen
Speaker 1: style rifles. You know, they're not soldiers on the front
Speaker 1: line of the battlefield, right. But that identity is something
Speaker 1: that keeps a lot of folks supporting these very vocal
Speaker 1: talking heads on the right, keeping them elected, keeping them
Speaker 1: holding office. And that identity now has to coexist with
Speaker 1: an identity of we are a nation that will move
Speaker 1: forward past multiple school shootings Sandy Hook, Parkland, we had
Speaker 1: there was one that we talked about in in Michigan
Speaker 1: not too long ago, you know, of course, while they
Speaker 1: is more recent, but not just school shootings, not just
Speaker 1: school shootings. And I don't want people to get that
Speaker 1: narrative and think that that we're really addressing the problem,
Speaker 1: because school shootings are just some of the mass casualty
Speaker 1: events that happen.
Speaker 2: It's one of the many categories. Now you have to
Speaker 2: categorize our mass shootings.
Speaker 1: And we can't lump grocery or supermarkets into that, even
Speaker 1: though there's a good number of those shootings, or church
Speaker 1: or church or movie theaters talk to or shopping malls.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, you want to get to concerts, talk to
Speaker 1: your music festivals, say that? Or concerts? Right? So what
Speaker 1: do they all have in common that ballistic blankets don't address?
Speaker 1: And man traps? You know you said festivals? How do
Speaker 1: man traps affect festivals? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Or grocery harden doors like your former president suggested.
Speaker 1: Right, But what does what conversation at least does start
Speaker 1: us toward making all of those plays is a bit safer.
Speaker 2: Maybe it either being more difficult to get a gun,
Speaker 2: or there being some way to license, train, and regulate
Speaker 2: the people that own them.
Speaker 1: Hold on one second, you're going to hear this. That
Speaker 1: was a mic drop, all right, you can pick that
Speaker 1: back up. Sorry, I don't mean it. I think that
Speaker 1: was necessary. Yeah, And we realize that we're two men
Speaker 1: and our producer a woman, making a show and sharing
Speaker 1: it with you. Obviously, we have some support staff here
Speaker 1: as well, but we realize that we're a handful of
Speaker 1: folks making this show. But I think that we feel
Speaker 1: like by having these conversations in a manner that's they're
Speaker 1: very plain, very approachable. You know, these are the conversations
Speaker 1: that you and I have all the time. We're actually friends,
Speaker 1: you know, we hang out all the time. So this
Speaker 1: is a thing that we are doing together because we
Speaker 1: decide to do it. But we've been friends long before
Speaker 1: the show, way long before the show, decades before the show.
Speaker 1: But you know, having these conversations, and because we have
Speaker 1: access to this information and some microphones and some transmitters
Speaker 1: and some signals in a couple of cities of a
Speaker 1: good number of cities around the country, we feel like
Speaker 1: that by having these conversations, we can empower our listeners
Speaker 1: to have conversations in their communities as well that are
Speaker 1: based on plane, everyday language. They're not tied up in
Speaker 1: some extremist identity, even if that extremist identity is an
Speaker 1: American identity. No matter what, I'm an American, right, I'll
Speaker 1: say it before anyone else, Unlike other people. I have
Speaker 1: a couple of solid claims that I can make about
Speaker 1: how much I love this country. I've been to all
Speaker 1: the states. Got proof. You can check me out on
Speaker 1: Instagram at Rams's job. Look for the flag. It's all there.
Speaker 1: Got the flag. Got the flag player. But this identity
Speaker 1: that is keeping us kind of locked into this holding pattern,
Speaker 1: this identity of you know, the Second Amendment, is it's
Speaker 1: all right to you know, tout the gun in the Bible.
Speaker 1: You know, it's toxic. It's very, very toxic, you know.
Speaker 1: And I know that there's been lots of conversations about
Speaker 1: mental health. Obviously the pandemic. We saw some things happen
Speaker 1: as a result of the pandemic. My belief, my estimation personally,
Speaker 1: is that people got afraid fear cells in this country,
Speaker 1: you know, And then the media says sells fear, not us.
Speaker 1: We don't do that, you know, perhaps why we're not
Speaker 1: a bigger show. But you know, we're not here to
Speaker 1: be a big show. Hopefully we're here to be a
Speaker 1: smaller and smaller show because the necessity of the show
Speaker 1: will eventually dissipate. We'll see. But people got afraid at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the pandemic. They purchased more guns, thinking
Speaker 1: that people were going to start robbing each other. And
Speaker 1: then when you have more guns, guns attract gun energy.
Speaker 1: People think you can solve problems with guns, you know,
Speaker 1: and guns tend to be a permanent solution to a
Speaker 1: temporary problem. And you can't undo a child missing her head. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily talking about the Valde shootings because absolutely
Speaker 1: mentioned there's handgun violence, which makes up a good number
Speaker 1: of the shootings in this country. There's suicides, there's you know,
Speaker 1: inner city crimes that are based on what is statistically
Speaker 1: proven to be or rather data has shown to be
Speaker 1: largely based on economic inequality. So again, addressing economic inequality
Speaker 1: and stricter gun laws might be the combination that we
Speaker 1: might need to really see our country become what it
Speaker 1: can become and reach its fullest potential. I digress back
Speaker 1: to identity. These are the things that we need to
Speaker 1: learn to let go now, far be it from me
Speaker 1: to say that nobody should have a gun, even though
Speaker 1: that's really how I feel. I really feel that way,
Speaker 1: if I'm honest, but I wouldn't say that. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's no way that the world wouldn't be safer if
Speaker 1: that were the case. Absolutely, And that's not up for
Speaker 1: debate or argument. That's just a very very simple and
Speaker 1: easy truth. The logic is all there. Yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: even need to like run the numbers there. But I
Speaker 1: realized that for some people, some of our listeners, you know,
Speaker 1: I talked to a man earlier in the week named
Speaker 1: Ed Shelby. Ed Shelby is a He's the man that
Speaker 1: went viral for standing outside of his son's school where
Speaker 1: his wife works as the nurse in Colleen, Texas. He
Speaker 1: went viral for standing out there. I believe it was
Speaker 1: the day after the shooting in Uvalde. He is an
Speaker 1: ex military obviously a family man who decided that he
Speaker 1: was going to do something and he provides security. That's
Speaker 1: what he does since leaving the military. So he knows security,
Speaker 1: how to implement, you know, how to strategize that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff. And he's been working with schools and other
Speaker 1: you know, groups around the country to try to put
Speaker 1: together plans to help us all out. He's not doing
Speaker 1: nothing right. So I talked to this man on the
Speaker 1: daily PODCAS cast that I do called the Black Information
Speaker 1: Network Daily Podcast check it out on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1: And he is a proud gun owner, right. So I
Speaker 1: couldn't in good conscious say you know, no guns, right
Speaker 1: knowing that a man like him from based on what
Speaker 1: I can tell, is a good guy with a gun.
Speaker 1: My very own co host q Ward is a gun owner.
Speaker 1: I believe him to be a good guy with a gun.
Speaker 1: I'll even take it this far. Some people are gonna
Speaker 1: get mad at me for saying it, but I do
Speaker 1: believe that some police officers are good guys and women
Speaker 1: with guns. Right. If bad turned worse, one number I
Speaker 1: would call.
Speaker 2: And no one should be upset with you for saying
Speaker 2: that because we don't argue against police officers on this show.
Speaker 1: Yeah we don't.
Speaker 2: It's the system talk of policing in the country. The
Speaker 2: people are people just like us.
Speaker 1: We give them.
Speaker 2: There are people that do our job that are awful people.
Speaker 2: It's not the job. It's not the people I'm meant. Rather,
Speaker 2: it's the job. There are some awesome people that do
Speaker 2: this job as well. There are some awesome police officers,
Speaker 2: the people we know some I'm sure I'm related to
Speaker 2: some retired police officers. Okay, but that system we want hart.
Speaker 2: But I thought that was important to point you. Thank
Speaker 2: you if I don't think people would be upset, because
Speaker 2: our struggle is not with individual people, it's with a
Speaker 2: system that was that does exactly what it was designed
Speaker 2: to do, and that design is flawed, tragic, especially for us,
Speaker 2: especially for people that look like us.
Speaker 1: So again, rethinking safety, rethinking what safety looks like, rethinking
Speaker 1: what policing could look like. Now, the point I'm making
Speaker 1: is that this identity that we have, I can't say, okay,
Speaker 1: let's get rid of all the guns because there are
Speaker 1: people that I know yourself and again Ed and Eddie Shelby.
Speaker 2: You could, though, because if you said it and enough
Speaker 2: people agree with it, and some legislation was passed, I'd
Speaker 2: be first. I spend the night the night before so
Speaker 2: that I could be first to give give your gun back,
Speaker 2: to give all of mine back.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, I do recognize that some people don't want
Speaker 1: to do that, and so where we are is, Yes,
Speaker 1: there is the right to bear arms written into the
Speaker 1: Constitution of this country, and it's to the constitution added
Speaker 1: thank you, as an amendment. And it's sort of like
Speaker 1: the uh. I don't want to use the word, but
Speaker 1: the blank in the punch bowl, the poop and the
Speaker 1: punch bowl. We'll call it that way from where I sit,
Speaker 1: because I don't accept that as a part of my
Speaker 1: American identity. Me Ramsys, who does love this country and
Speaker 1: who was born in the eighties. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Like when that amendment was added, I think it
Speaker 2: had a righteous purpose, right, the idea of tyranny and
Speaker 2: the idea at that time of militia, right, and those
Speaker 2: being people who might be corrupted by money and power,
Speaker 2: like you know, the politicians of today being the only
Speaker 2: ones allowed to bear arms could have been a very
Speaker 2: scary position for a citizen to be in. However, I
Speaker 2: don't care how many guns you have today, folks, If
Speaker 2: our government became a tyranny and they decided to turn
Speaker 2: their weapons on us, you don't have enough to defend
Speaker 2: yourself against our nations military or our nation's police, right,
Speaker 2: And when our nations police turn their guns on us,
Speaker 2: we march in solidarity with them. And when I say we,
Speaker 2: I mean the Second Amendment, people, you can't have it
Speaker 2: both ways.
Speaker 1: Let me add to that. So there are restrictions on
Speaker 1: the types of weapons that people can have right now,
Speaker 1: and what a lot of people are asking for and
Speaker 1: calling for is to increase those restrictions. Right. So, obviously
Speaker 1: it is illegal to possess a bazuka in this country, right.
Speaker 1: It is illegal to possess a nuclear weapon in this country.
Speaker 1: It is illegal to possess a tank in this country.
Speaker 1: But guess who has bazukahs and nuclear weapons and tanks. Well,
Speaker 1: that's the government right and the military right. So we're
Speaker 1: supposed to have a second Amendment to rise up against
Speaker 1: the tyrannical government. To your point view, Now, if we
Speaker 1: have AR fifteen's right, and we know that their military
Speaker 1: style weapons, then we have to assume that the military
Speaker 1: is going to come with something bigger than an AR fifteen,
Speaker 1: if the government was going to turn against us, right,
Speaker 1: So we're losing that battle every time. At no point
Speaker 1: is the government going to say, you know what, everybody
Speaker 1: can get every weapon, it's fine, right, because of the
Speaker 1: potential for us to become destroyed by just some wacko
Speaker 1: I mean, for the same reasons that they shouldn't be
Speaker 1: able to have an area fifteen today.
Speaker 2: That's the point I'm going to make. So why someone
Speaker 2: might be irresponsible with such a weapon, and it's way
Speaker 2: more harm than they should be able to do.
Speaker 1: So watch what I'm going to tell you. We move
Speaker 1: that line a little bit closer, right, a little bit
Speaker 1: further away from machine guns, a little bit closer to Okay,
Speaker 1: you need to protect yourself and your family from reasonable
Speaker 1: a reasonable percentage of threats. Right, someone breaks into your
Speaker 1: house and you're not a good fighter and you can't
Speaker 1: swing a bat, you might want to have a gun.
Speaker 1: Handgun might work great, shotgun. That's about it. Right for
Speaker 1: you to have a machine gun to mow down tons
Speaker 1: of people on a battlefield. The ready assumption there is
Speaker 1: that your house is going to be under attack by zombies.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know whatever, you know, whatever it is.
Speaker 2: I don't mean to laugh, but yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Can't understand why anybody would spend that money and have
Speaker 1: that gun. I get that some people think that's cool.
Speaker 1: That's a little if I'm honest, just me, I'm not
Speaker 1: knocking you if you're listening, but that's a little gross.
Speaker 1: To me, because all it can do is end lives.
Speaker 1: And if you think that's cool to me, that like
Speaker 1: makes my stomach turn that that that's what you find cool. Right.
Speaker 1: I still love you and I will still love you,
Speaker 1: and I hope that you find your way, But that's
Speaker 1: not cool to me. I will never celebrate the loss
Speaker 1: of life. It doesn't even if you hunt animals, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, if you hunt animals in that way,
Speaker 1: that's particularly unsettling.
Speaker 2: And about people that hunt animals for sport, not for me,
Speaker 2: not because they're hungry, you know what I mean, but
Speaker 2: so they can essentially brag about it, and they wear
Speaker 2: this type of gun culture like a masculinity cape to
Speaker 2: kind of fortify some things that aren't there in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Now, before we move on, I want to take a
Speaker 1: moment because I'm feeling froggy. I want to share a
Speaker 1: headline with you. This one comes from the ASLU cops
Speaker 1: and no counselors. Lack of school mental health staff is
Speaker 1: harming students. Okay, I'll just read briefly. Our findings indicate
Speaker 1: that too many schools are more likely to employ school
Speaker 1: police than mental health providers. There are more than fourteen
Speaker 1: million students in schools with police but no counselor nurse, psychologists,
Speaker 1: or social worker. I think that that's very telling because
Speaker 1: any number of those other people's could work to help
Speaker 1: prevent crimes from happening in the first place. And as
Speaker 1: we've seen, police oftentimes do not make any difference.
Speaker 2: We won't even say could we know that they would.
Speaker 2: And with regards to police, some follow up to a
Speaker 2: conversation we had last week not to be labor this topic,
Speaker 2: I went back to where the incident happened with my
Speaker 2: son to see if they had cameras, and I think
Speaker 2: I remember I told you when we filed the police report,
Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, if this happens again, at least we
Speaker 2: have your information, but no investigation. They did not have cameras,
Speaker 2: but the same people came back and tried to take
Speaker 2: someone else's kid. I never even had to describe him.
Speaker 2: They described him, her and him and the card they
Speaker 2: were in without me saying a word. So these exact
Speaker 2: people have been back to try it again and are
Speaker 2: still that large because nobody even cares to look into it.
Speaker 1: If you don't know the story that he's talking about,
Speaker 1: please listen to last week's episode where Q explains the
Speaker 1: situation where someone tried to kidnap his son in front
Speaker 1: of a grocery store and the police fell short on
Speaker 1: what he was expecting of them. I don't think they
Speaker 1: fell short. I think they did exactly what you were
Speaker 1: expecting them. But anyway, unfortunately, all right, time for the
Speaker 1: Way Black History of Fact. We're moving into this a
Speaker 1: bit late, but let's talk about it. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: This one comes from MTV News sponsored by Hip Hop
Speaker 1: Weekly magazine. Latasha Harris an American girl. Sasha Harlan's Harlan.
Speaker 1: Sorry about that. Natasha Harlan's from South Central and they
Speaker 1: remember the fifteen year old girl killed thirteen days after
Speaker 1: Rodney King was beaten. So I'll read. This is not television,
Speaker 1: this is not the movies, This is real life. This
Speaker 1: was how Deputy District Attorney Roxane carve Hall cautioned a
Speaker 1: jury before showing them the last seconds of Latasha Harlan's
Speaker 1: life was captured by a security camera on March sixteenth,
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one. The video showed the fifteen year old
Speaker 1: girl first struggling with soon John dou the owner of
Speaker 1: Empire liquor Market and Delhi on South Figueroa Street, then
Speaker 1: walking away and finally falling down having been shot in
Speaker 1: ahead by Duke. According to the Los Angeles Times, the
Speaker 1: tape drew gasps in the courtroom as the jury watched,
Speaker 1: and Dew, sitting at the defense table, cried, Was her
Speaker 1: fear reasonable? Was this legal? Was this the legal standard
Speaker 1: that judged Joyce A. Carlin, who heard the case against
Speaker 1: Dow later that year, used to evaluate the then fifty
Speaker 1: one year old store owner's culpability. Was Due's fear reasonable
Speaker 1: when she became suspicious of a teenage girl who entered
Speaker 1: the store at nine thirty five am on a Saturday morning.
Speaker 1: Was Due acting reasonably when she accused Harlan's of stealing
Speaker 1: the bottle of orange juice she had put in her
Speaker 1: backpack after quickly browsing an aisle. Was Due reasonable when,
Speaker 1: after engaging in a physical altercation with Harlan's over the juice,
Speaker 1: which Harlan's had insisted she was going to pay for,
Speaker 1: she shot the girl in the head. Was all of
Speaker 1: this the final moments of Natasha Harlan's life. The girl
Speaker 1: lying on the store floor clutching the dollar bills she
Speaker 1: had intended to purchase the juice with the rational result
Speaker 1: of the reasonable fear that an adult woman might fear
Speaker 1: of a teenage girl. Carlin sentenced due to five years
Speaker 1: of probation, four hundred hours of community service, a small fine,
Speaker 1: and no prison time. Speaking twenty five years after Harlan's
Speaker 1: death at an event held last month at the Hammer Museum,
Speaker 1: Loyola Law School, professor Priscilla Osin argued that the court
Speaker 1: proceedings were marred by the same social disdain that motivated
Speaker 1: duce fatal act of racial profiling. When I see that case,
Speaker 1: one of the things that strikes me is the way
Speaker 1: in which anti black bias, anti black girl bias is
Speaker 1: embedded in the jury's verdict and is embedded in the
Speaker 1: judge's decision to grant soon joh due to probation. Bessine's
Speaker 1: specification of the gender aggression that colors the perception of
Speaker 1: young black girls in public restores to Harlan's story the
Speaker 1: precision of its tragedy in the prestige projects that have
Speaker 1: been urged a generation after the Los Angeles riots, including
Speaker 1: Ezra Edelman's notable twenty sixteen documentary OJ made in America,
Speaker 1: Harlan's death has figured as a sort of informational prologue
Speaker 1: to the narratives of black men like Rodney King and O. J. Simpson. Quote.
Speaker 1: It's important for us to remember that the riots were
Speaker 1: not just about Rodney King, said legal scholar Kimberlee Crenshaw
Speaker 1: at the same time at the same Hammer Museum event. Sorry,
Speaker 1: for many Angelinos, Latasha Harlan's was the only point. Was
Speaker 1: the only point. As we look at the families of
Speaker 1: Trayvon Martin and Ezelle Ford, we can do the role
Speaker 1: call of racially charged killings, said David Bryant, co founder
Speaker 1: of the Latasha Harland's Justice Committee, speaking individual held on
Speaker 1: the twenty fifth anniversary of Harlan's death. In the nineties,
Speaker 1: the committee would conduct yearly protests, demonstrating outside the courthouse
Speaker 1: where Carlin handed down her decision. We were the forerunners
Speaker 1: to all that misery. UCLA professor Brenda Stevenson. The Contested
Speaker 1: Murder of Latasha Harlan's Justice, Gender and the Origins of
Speaker 1: the LA Riots, published in twenty thirteen, gives readers a
Speaker 1: detailed portrait of the girl and her familial, geographical and
Speaker 1: racial context. She was born in Illinois in nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 1: She had moved to South Central when she turned six
Speaker 1: years old. Harlan's father left Latasha and her siblings when
Speaker 1: they were still young. Her mother, Crystal, was killed at
Speaker 1: a nightclub in nineteen eighty five. The trauma, her family surmised,
Speaker 1: contributed to Harlan's quet and shy demeanor through her grandmother,
Speaker 1: though her grandmother lamented that right before her death, Harlan's
Speaker 1: was showing interest in dating. Tasha, as she was called
Speaker 1: by friends and family, was raised by her grandmother, Ruth,
Speaker 1: a quote strong willed and dignified woman from Alabama. They
Speaker 1: lived about five minutes away from the market owned by
Speaker 1: the Dew family. She told friends that she was acutely
Speaker 1: aware of the eyes watching. In her book, Stevenson maintains
Speaker 1: that much about the outcomes of this case can be
Speaker 1: understood when one examines closely the personal biographies and group
Speaker 1: histories of Latasha, Harlan's, Soon jah Do, and Joyce Carlin.
Speaker 1: Their individual life stories and the stories of their ancestors
Speaker 1: are windows into their personal socializations and perspectives that must
Speaker 1: have affected the ways in which they regarded and responded
Speaker 1: to each other. Now, I want to read this because
Speaker 1: it's important. You know, obviously we're talking about history and
Speaker 1: you know, twenty fifth anniversary and all these things, but
Speaker 1: we also want to make sure that we do this carefully.
Speaker 1: This is not an anti Asian conversation at all. This
Speaker 1: is a thing that happened in the community that kind
Speaker 1: of triggered a lot of what we're now seeing today.
Speaker 1: We did have a conversation on this show where we
Speaker 1: discussed the history of the relationship between black people and
Speaker 1: Asian people in this country. Asian people were able to
Speaker 1: come over to this country and get small business loans
Speaker 1: based off of some government programs. Those loans were only
Speaker 1: good in poor neighborhoods, black neighborhoods, and because of a
Speaker 1: lot of anti black bias, and because of a lot
Speaker 1: of economic inequalities and opportunities going away from black people
Speaker 1: who had an entrepreneurial spirit to folks just moving here,
Speaker 1: largely Asian Americans. It led to a lot of resentment
Speaker 1: in those neighborhoods. We on this show love wholeheartedly and
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Speaker 1: of our Asian American and Pacific Island brothers and sisters.
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Speaker 1: black history fact for today, I do want to end
Speaker 1: with this. Tupac had an infinity for Latasha, has mentioned
Speaker 1: her name in several songs as well as dedicating the
Speaker 1: iconic song keep Your Head Up to Latasha, So we
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that we celebrated her today. But
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