WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 061122 The Real Issue is Guns and Gun Control (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>And now.

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<v Speaker 2>Go my my back.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like that.

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<v Speaker 3>We can strike waters from headquarters behind him and.

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<v Speaker 1>You're just tuned in the civic cipher. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>ramsays Jack. I go by the name q Ward most

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<v Speaker 1>of the time. Yes, indeed, and we want you to

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<v Speaker 1>stick around. We've got a lot more show coming your way.

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<v Speaker 1>We are still going to be talking about guns, and

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<v Speaker 1>specifically how everyone tends to focus on everything except the

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<v Speaker 1>real issue. So we're going to shed some light on

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<v Speaker 1>some of the more forgive me Asa nine things that

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<v Speaker 1>have been suggested instead of actually dealing with, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the reality of the situation here in this country. We're

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<v Speaker 1>also going to spend some time talking about uh, a

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<v Speaker 1>young lady named Latasha Harris and how important she was

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<v Speaker 1>to Tubac. I don't want to tell her story before

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<v Speaker 1>we get there, but you might know the name. He

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned her in a lot of his music, so we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to dedicate our way black history factor her. But

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<v Speaker 1>first and foremost, we're going to discuss how to become

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<v Speaker 1>a better ally bah bah. So if you are a

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<v Speaker 1>NFL boss, you should probably turn up your radio right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I got some real game for you. If only they

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<v Speaker 1>cared to listen all right. This one comes from Sports Illustrated.

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<v Speaker 1>The NBA has fifteen black head coaches for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>I will read with the lakers hiring of Darvin him

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<v Speaker 1>that was official. As of Friday, June third, fifteen of

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<v Speaker 1>the NBA's thirty teams will have a black head coach

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time in league history. The NBA Commissioner

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<v Speaker 1>Adam Silver said at the NBA Finals quote, this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>unique to the NBA, and I've learned this from other businesses.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to talk about these issues all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>If you care about diversity and inclusion in your workplace,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to look at the data. You've got to

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<v Speaker 1>constantly present it to your colleagues, to your department heads,

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<v Speaker 1>to your teams, and it has to become a focusing quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Silver discussed his hope for a day when the color

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<v Speaker 1>of a person's skin is no longer newsworthy, when they

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<v Speaker 1>are hired to a prominent role going on to stay. Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time, while I'm particularly proud of these

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<v Speaker 1>numbers and that roughly fifty percent of our head coaches

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<v Speaker 1>are black, now, the goal is that's not newsworthy, is

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<v Speaker 1>that that's not newsworthy, and that when people are hired,

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<v Speaker 1>their first reaction isn't the color of their skin. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to be naive either, though, because I know

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<v Speaker 1>that what we do in this league is important symbolically,

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<v Speaker 1>not just for sports, but for other industries, and people

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<v Speaker 1>watch us all around the world. Now, sometimes we give

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<v Speaker 1>you advice, sometimes we give you examples. That very much

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<v Speaker 1>is an example diversity at its best, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that the NBA is better for it. I certainly have

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<v Speaker 1>noticed a lot of people engaged this go round. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>now back to the lecture at hand, that was a

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<v Speaker 1>Snoop Dogg reference for those not old enough, very very

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<v Speaker 1>hard not to continue with those lyrics. So forgive that

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<v Speaker 1>pregnant pauls. Why is everyone focusing on everything but the

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<v Speaker 1>real issue, which is guns and the real answer, which

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<v Speaker 1>is gun control? So ms Maggie aka Maggie be. No

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<v Speaker 1>one points out to us that the main issues are

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<v Speaker 1>that whoever wants a gun can have a gun. The

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<v Speaker 1>lack of community and conflict resolution skills means that anyone

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<v Speaker 1>with a gun can use the gun to solve problems

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<v Speaker 1>that shouldn't be solved with a gun. Of course, the

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<v Speaker 1>NRA suggests that there should be more funding for police

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<v Speaker 1>and security, and police and schools, which we both wholly reject.

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<v Speaker 1>School security. Not mad at that school police. That's different.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe a conversation for another day, maybe a conversation today.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see how I feel. And for those that want

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<v Speaker 1>to do a little bit more research on that topic,

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<v Speaker 1>you can check out this show. One of our first episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>we had a woman up named Janelle Wood who came

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<v Speaker 1>up to discuss the school to prison pipeline, and she

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<v Speaker 1>is much more able to articulate how troubling the data

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<v Speaker 1>is from schools that hire police officers and what the

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<v Speaker 1>implications are when that happens. Also, I saw recently John

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<v Speaker 1>Oliver do a segment on school police as well, and

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<v Speaker 1>he did it masterfully. We appreciate it's another ally, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not just me, it's not just this show.

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<v Speaker 1>These are people who have compiled data on their own.

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<v Speaker 1>But perhaps we'll circle back to it. The other thing

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<v Speaker 1>that Maggie b no One wants us to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>to mention is that right wing and gun supporters suggest

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<v Speaker 1>the following nan traps, new doors, fewer doors, trip wires,

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<v Speaker 1>God and religion. I mean, I've been there have been

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<v Speaker 1>lots of thoughts and prayers so far. So for him

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<v Speaker 1>to say that we need God and religion, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what the basis of that is. Not knocking God,

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<v Speaker 1>not knocking religion. That's not my way. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to do more. We need to take responsibility.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't put the responsibility squarely in God's lap. If

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<v Speaker 1>we have the tools among ourselves to fix the problem,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I mean. Investments in classroom should include colorful

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<v Speaker 1>ballistic blankets. That's another idea suggested by the right, and

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<v Speaker 1>of course.

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<v Speaker 2>Suggested by an elected official, someone who's already in office,

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<v Speaker 2>not someone who is trying to get your attention. This

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<v Speaker 2>is someone who's salaries paid by your tax dollars, and

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<v Speaker 2>their job is to create meaningful legislation for you and

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<v Speaker 2>your children. Her suggestion colorful ballistic blankets. Let us not

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<v Speaker 2>forget the granddaddy of all of these arming teachers in

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<v Speaker 2>the classrooms. So these are some of the ideas that

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<v Speaker 2>have been suggested by the right, And.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess To's point is she has noticed that nationally

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<v Speaker 1>we're focusing on everything. I'm not picking on the right,

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<v Speaker 1>We all of us are focusing on everything but the

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<v Speaker 1>real issue guns.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm picking on the right. If you hear my voice,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm because the voices that are focusing on all these

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<v Speaker 2>wrong things.

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<v Speaker 1>All come from the right. That's fair. Now. The thing

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<v Speaker 1>about this is that when we're talking about gun violence,

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<v Speaker 1>when we're talking about these devices that are used to

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<v Speaker 1>end lives, you know, and that's the only purpose people.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we said it best at the beginning. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like a part of their identity, not necessarily a part

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<v Speaker 1>of their reality. We need to keep our guns because

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<v Speaker 1>it's my right. They don't live in war zones, they don't,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. Like death is not around

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<v Speaker 1>the corner for these folks, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>to the degree that would justify them having AR fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>style rifles. You know, they're not soldiers on the front

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<v Speaker 1>line of the battlefield, right. But that identity is something

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<v Speaker 1>that keeps a lot of folks supporting these very vocal

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<v Speaker 1>talking heads on the right, keeping them elected, keeping them

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<v Speaker 1>holding office. And that identity now has to coexist with

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<v Speaker 1>an identity of we are a nation that will move

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<v Speaker 1>forward past multiple school shootings Sandy Hook, Parkland, we had

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<v Speaker 1>there was one that we talked about in in Michigan

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<v Speaker 1>not too long ago, you know, of course, while they

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<v Speaker 1>is more recent, but not just school shootings, not just

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<v Speaker 1>school shootings. And I don't want people to get that

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<v Speaker 1>narrative and think that that we're really addressing the problem,

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<v Speaker 1>because school shootings are just some of the mass casualty

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<v Speaker 1>events that happen.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of the many categories. Now you have to

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<v Speaker 2>categorize our mass shootings.

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<v Speaker 1>And we can't lump grocery or supermarkets into that, even

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<v Speaker 1>though there's a good number of those shootings, or church

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<v Speaker 1>or church or movie theaters talk to or shopping malls.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, you want to get to concerts, talk to

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<v Speaker 1>your music festivals, say that? Or concerts? Right? So what

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<v Speaker 1>do they all have in common that ballistic blankets don't address?

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<v Speaker 1>And man traps? You know you said festivals? How do

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<v Speaker 1>man traps affect festivals? You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Or grocery harden doors like your former president suggested.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, But what does what conversation at least does start

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<v Speaker 1>us toward making all of those plays is a bit safer.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it either being more difficult to get a gun,

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<v Speaker 2>or there being some way to license, train, and regulate

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<v Speaker 2>the people that own them.

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<v Speaker 1>Hold on one second, you're going to hear this. That

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<v Speaker 1>was a mic drop, all right, you can pick that

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<v Speaker 1>back up. Sorry, I don't mean it. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>was necessary. Yeah, And we realize that we're two men

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<v Speaker 1>and our producer a woman, making a show and sharing

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<v Speaker 1>it with you. Obviously, we have some support staff here

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<v Speaker 1>as well, but we realize that we're a handful of

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<v Speaker 1>folks making this show. But I think that we feel

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<v Speaker 1>like by having these conversations in a manner that's they're

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<v Speaker 1>very plain, very approachable. You know, these are the conversations

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<v Speaker 1>that you and I have all the time. We're actually friends,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we hang out all the time. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is a thing that we are doing together because we

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<v Speaker 1>decide to do it. But we've been friends long before

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<v Speaker 1>the show, way long before the show, decades before the show.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, having these conversations, and because we have

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<v Speaker 1>access to this information and some microphones and some transmitters

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<v Speaker 1>and some signals in a couple of cities of a

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<v Speaker 1>good number of cities around the country, we feel like

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<v Speaker 1>that by having these conversations, we can empower our listeners

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<v Speaker 1>to have conversations in their communities as well that are

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<v Speaker 1>based on plane, everyday language. They're not tied up in

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<v Speaker 1>some extremist identity, even if that extremist identity is an

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<v Speaker 1>American identity. No matter what, I'm an American, right, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>say it before anyone else, Unlike other people. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of solid claims that I can make about

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<v Speaker 1>how much I love this country. I've been to all

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<v Speaker 1>the states. Got proof. You can check me out on

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram at Rams's job. Look for the flag. It's all there.

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<v Speaker 1>Got the flag. Got the flag player. But this identity

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<v Speaker 1>that is keeping us kind of locked into this holding pattern,

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<v Speaker 1>this identity of you know, the Second Amendment, is it's

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<v Speaker 1>all right to you know, tout the gun in the Bible.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's toxic. It's very, very toxic, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know that there's been lots of conversations about

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<v Speaker 1>mental health. Obviously the pandemic. We saw some things happen

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<v Speaker 1>as a result of the pandemic. My belief, my estimation personally,

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<v Speaker 1>is that people got afraid fear cells in this country,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, And then the media says sells fear, not us.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't do that, you know, perhaps why we're not

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<v Speaker 1>a bigger show. But you know, we're not here to

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<v Speaker 1>be a big show. Hopefully we're here to be a

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<v Speaker 1>smaller and smaller show because the necessity of the show

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<v Speaker 1>will eventually dissipate. We'll see. But people got afraid at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of the pandemic. They purchased more guns, thinking

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<v Speaker 1>that people were going to start robbing each other. And

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<v Speaker 1>then when you have more guns, guns attract gun energy.

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<v Speaker 1>People think you can solve problems with guns, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and guns tend to be a permanent solution to a

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<v Speaker 1>temporary problem. And you can't undo a child missing her head. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not necessarily talking about the Valde shootings because absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned there's handgun violence, which makes up a good number

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<v Speaker 1>of the shootings in this country. There's suicides, there's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>inner city crimes that are based on what is statistically

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<v Speaker 1>proven to be or rather data has shown to be

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<v Speaker 1>largely based on economic inequality. So again, addressing economic inequality

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<v Speaker 1>and stricter gun laws might be the combination that we

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<v Speaker 1>might need to really see our country become what it

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<v Speaker 1>can become and reach its fullest potential. I digress back

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<v Speaker 1>to identity. These are the things that we need to

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<v Speaker 1>learn to let go now, far be it from me

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<v Speaker 1>to say that nobody should have a gun, even though

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<v Speaker 1>that's really how I feel. I really feel that way,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm honest, but I wouldn't say that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no way that the world wouldn't be safer if

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<v Speaker 1>that were the case. Absolutely, And that's not up for

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<v Speaker 1>debate or argument. That's just a very very simple and

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<v Speaker 1>easy truth. The logic is all there. Yeah, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>even need to like run the numbers there. But I

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<v Speaker 1>realized that for some people, some of our listeners, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I talked to a man earlier in the week named

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<v Speaker 1>Ed Shelby. Ed Shelby is a He's the man that

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<v Speaker 1>went viral for standing outside of his son's school where

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<v Speaker 1>his wife works as the nurse in Colleen, Texas. He

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<v Speaker 1>went viral for standing out there. I believe it was

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<v Speaker 1>the day after the shooting in Uvalde. He is an

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<v Speaker 1>ex military obviously a family man who decided that he

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<v Speaker 1>was going to do something and he provides security. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what he does since leaving the military. So he knows security,

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<v Speaker 1>how to implement, you know, how to strategize that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff. And he's been working with schools and other

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<v Speaker 1>you know, groups around the country to try to put

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<v Speaker 1>together plans to help us all out. He's not doing

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<v Speaker 1>nothing right. So I talked to this man on the

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<v Speaker 1>daily PODCAS cast that I do called the Black Information

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<v Speaker 1>Network Daily Podcast check it out on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 1>And he is a proud gun owner, right. So I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't in good conscious say you know, no guns, right

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<v Speaker 1>knowing that a man like him from based on what

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell, is a good guy with a gun.

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<v Speaker 1>My very own co host q Ward is a gun owner.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe him to be a good guy with a gun.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll even take it this far. Some people are gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get mad at me for saying it, but I do

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<v Speaker 1>believe that some police officers are good guys and women

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<v Speaker 1>with guns. Right. If bad turned worse, one number I

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<v Speaker 1>would call.

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<v Speaker 2>And no one should be upset with you for saying

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<v Speaker 2>that because we don't argue against police officers on this show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah we don't.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the system talk of policing in the country. The

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<v Speaker 2>people are people just like us.

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<v Speaker 1>We give them.

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<v Speaker 2>There are people that do our job that are awful people.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not the job. It's not the people I'm meant. Rather,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the job. There are some awesome people that do

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<v Speaker 2>this job as well. There are some awesome police officers,

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<v Speaker 2>the people we know some I'm sure I'm related to

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<v Speaker 2>some retired police officers. Okay, but that system we want hart.

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<v Speaker 2>But I thought that was important to point you. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you if I don't think people would be upset, because

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<v Speaker 2>our struggle is not with individual people, it's with a

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<v Speaker 2>system that was that does exactly what it was designed

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<v Speaker 2>to do, and that design is flawed, tragic, especially for us,

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<v Speaker 2>especially for people that look like us.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, rethinking safety, rethinking what safety looks like, rethinking

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<v Speaker 1>what policing could look like. Now, the point I'm making

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<v Speaker 1>is that this identity that we have, I can't say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get rid of all the guns because there are

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<v Speaker 1>people that I know yourself and again Ed and Eddie Shelby.

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<v Speaker 2>You could, though, because if you said it and enough

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<v Speaker 2>people agree with it, and some legislation was passed, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>be first. I spend the night the night before so

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<v Speaker 2>that I could be first to give give your gun back,

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<v Speaker 2>to give all of mine back.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, I do recognize that some people don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to do that, and so where we are is, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>there is the right to bear arms written into the

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<v Speaker 1>Constitution of this country, and it's to the constitution added

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, as an amendment. And it's sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>the uh. I don't want to use the word, but

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<v Speaker 1>the blank in the punch bowl, the poop and the

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<v Speaker 1>punch bowl. We'll call it that way from where I sit,

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't accept that as a part of my

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<v Speaker 1>American identity. Me Ramsys, who does love this country and

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<v Speaker 1>who was born in the eighties. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Like when that amendment was added, I think it

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<v Speaker 2>had a righteous purpose, right, the idea of tyranny and

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<v Speaker 2>the idea at that time of militia, right, and those

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<v Speaker 2>being people who might be corrupted by money and power,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, the politicians of today being the only

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<v Speaker 2>ones allowed to bear arms could have been a very

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<v Speaker 2>scary position for a citizen to be in. However, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't care how many guns you have today, folks, If

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<v Speaker 2>our government became a tyranny and they decided to turn

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<v Speaker 2>their weapons on us, you don't have enough to defend

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<v Speaker 2>yourself against our nations military or our nation's police, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And when our nations police turn their guns on us,

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<v Speaker 2>we march in solidarity with them. And when I say we,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the Second Amendment, people, you can't have it

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<v Speaker 2>both ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me add to that. So there are restrictions on

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<v Speaker 1>the types of weapons that people can have right now,

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<v Speaker 1>and what a lot of people are asking for and

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<v Speaker 1>calling for is to increase those restrictions. Right. So, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>it is illegal to possess a bazuka in this country, right.

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<v Speaker 1>It is illegal to possess a nuclear weapon in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>It is illegal to possess a tank in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>But guess who has bazukahs and nuclear weapons and tanks. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the government right and the military right. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to have a second Amendment to rise up against

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<v Speaker 1>the tyrannical government. To your point view, Now, if we

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<v Speaker 1>have AR fifteen's right, and we know that their military

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<v Speaker 1>style weapons, then we have to assume that the military

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<v Speaker 1>is going to come with something bigger than an AR fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>if the government was going to turn against us, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So we're losing that battle every time. At no point

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<v Speaker 1>is the government going to say, you know what, everybody

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<v Speaker 1>can get every weapon, it's fine, right, because of the

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<v Speaker 1>potential for us to become destroyed by just some wacko

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, for the same reasons that they shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>able to have an area fifteen today.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the point I'm going to make. So why someone

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<v Speaker 2>might be irresponsible with such a weapon, and it's way

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<v Speaker 2>more harm than they should be able to do.

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<v Speaker 1>So watch what I'm going to tell you. We move

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<v Speaker 1>that line a little bit closer, right, a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>further away from machine guns, a little bit closer to Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you need to protect yourself and your family from reasonable

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<v Speaker 1>a reasonable percentage of threats. Right, someone breaks into your

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<v Speaker 1>house and you're not a good fighter and you can't

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<v Speaker 1>swing a bat, you might want to have a gun.

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<v Speaker 1>Handgun might work great, shotgun. That's about it. Right for

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<v Speaker 1>you to have a machine gun to mow down tons

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<v Speaker 1>of people on a battlefield. The ready assumption there is

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<v Speaker 1>that your house is going to be under attack by zombies.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you know whatever, you know, whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mean to laugh, but yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't understand why anybody would spend that money and have

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<v Speaker 1>that gun. I get that some people think that's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a little if I'm honest, just me, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>knocking you if you're listening, but that's a little gross.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, because all it can do is end lives.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you think that's cool to me, that like

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<v Speaker 1>makes my stomach turn that that that's what you find cool. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I still love you and I will still love you,

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<v Speaker 1>and I hope that you find your way, But that's

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<v Speaker 1>not cool to me. I will never celebrate the loss

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<v Speaker 1>of life. It doesn't even if you hunt animals, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, if you hunt animals in that way,

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<v Speaker 1>that's particularly unsettling.

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<v Speaker 2>And about people that hunt animals for sport, not for me,

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<v Speaker 2>not because they're hungry, you know what I mean, but

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<v Speaker 2>so they can essentially brag about it, and they wear

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<v Speaker 2>this type of gun culture like a masculinity cape to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of fortify some things that aren't there in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, before we move on, I want to take a

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<v Speaker 1>moment because I'm feeling froggy. I want to share a

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<v Speaker 1>headline with you. This one comes from the ASLU cops

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<v Speaker 1>and no counselors. Lack of school mental health staff is

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<v Speaker 1>harming students. Okay, I'll just read briefly. Our findings indicate

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<v Speaker 1>that too many schools are more likely to employ school

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<v Speaker 1>police than mental health providers. There are more than fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>million students in schools with police but no counselor nurse, psychologists,

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<v Speaker 1>or social worker. I think that that's very telling because

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<v Speaker 1>any number of those other people's could work to help

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<v Speaker 1>prevent crimes from happening in the first place. And as

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen, police oftentimes do not make any difference.

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<v Speaker 2>We won't even say could we know that they would.

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<v Speaker 2>And with regards to police, some follow up to a

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<v Speaker 2>conversation we had last week not to be labor this topic,

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<v Speaker 2>I went back to where the incident happened with my

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<v Speaker 2>son to see if they had cameras, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>I remember I told you when we filed the police report,

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, yeah, if this happens again, at least we

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<v Speaker 2>have your information, but no investigation. They did not have cameras,

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<v Speaker 2>but the same people came back and tried to take

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<v Speaker 2>someone else's kid. I never even had to describe him.

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<v Speaker 2>They described him, her and him and the card they

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<v Speaker 2>were in without me saying a word. So these exact

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<v Speaker 2>people have been back to try it again and are

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<v Speaker 2>still that large because nobody even cares to look into it.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't know the story that he's talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>please listen to last week's episode where Q explains the

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<v Speaker 1>situation where someone tried to kidnap his son in front

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<v Speaker 1>of a grocery store and the police fell short on

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<v Speaker 1>what he was expecting of them. I don't think they

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<v Speaker 1>fell short. I think they did exactly what you were

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<v Speaker 1>expecting them. But anyway, unfortunately, all right, time for the

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<v Speaker 1>Way Black History of Fact. We're moving into this a

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<v Speaker 1>bit late, but let's talk about it. So we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>This one comes from MTV News sponsored by Hip Hop

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<v Speaker 1>Weekly magazine. Latasha Harris an American girl. Sasha Harlan's Harlan.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry about that. Natasha Harlan's from South Central and they

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<v Speaker 1>remember the fifteen year old girl killed thirteen days after

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<v Speaker 1>Rodney King was beaten. So I'll read. This is not television,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not the movies, This is real life. This

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<v Speaker 1>was how Deputy District Attorney Roxane carve Hall cautioned a

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<v Speaker 1>jury before showing them the last seconds of Latasha Harlan's

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<v Speaker 1>life was captured by a security camera on March sixteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety one. The video showed the fifteen year old

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<v Speaker 1>girl first struggling with soon John dou the owner of

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<v Speaker 1>Empire liquor Market and Delhi on South Figueroa Street, then

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<v Speaker 1>walking away and finally falling down having been shot in

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<v Speaker 1>ahead by Duke. According to the Los Angeles Times, the

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<v Speaker 1>tape drew gasps in the courtroom as the jury watched,

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<v Speaker 1>and Dew, sitting at the defense table, cried, Was her

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<v Speaker 1>fear reasonable? Was this legal? Was this the legal standard

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<v Speaker 1>that judged Joyce A. Carlin, who heard the case against

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<v Speaker 1>Dow later that year, used to evaluate the then fifty

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<v Speaker 1>one year old store owner's culpability. Was Due's fear reasonable

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<v Speaker 1>when she became suspicious of a teenage girl who entered

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<v Speaker 1>the store at nine thirty five am on a Saturday morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Was Due acting reasonably when she accused Harlan's of stealing

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<v Speaker 1>the bottle of orange juice she had put in her

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<v Speaker 1>backpack after quickly browsing an aisle. Was Due reasonable when,

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<v Speaker 1>after engaging in a physical altercation with Harlan's over the juice,

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<v Speaker 1>which Harlan's had insisted she was going to pay for,

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<v Speaker 1>she shot the girl in the head. Was all of

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<v Speaker 1>this the final moments of Natasha Harlan's life. The girl

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<v Speaker 1>lying on the store floor clutching the dollar bills she

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<v Speaker 1>had intended to purchase the juice with the rational result

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<v Speaker 1>of the reasonable fear that an adult woman might fear

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<v Speaker 1>of a teenage girl. Carlin sentenced due to five years

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<v Speaker 1>of probation, four hundred hours of community service, a small fine,

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<v Speaker 1>and no prison time. Speaking twenty five years after Harlan's

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<v Speaker 1>death at an event held last month at the Hammer Museum,

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<v Speaker 1>Loyola Law School, professor Priscilla Osin argued that the court

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<v Speaker 1>proceedings were marred by the same social disdain that motivated

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<v Speaker 1>duce fatal act of racial profiling. When I see that case,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things that strikes me is the way

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<v Speaker 1>in which anti black bias, anti black girl bias is

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<v Speaker 1>embedded in the jury's verdict and is embedded in the

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<v Speaker 1>judge's decision to grant soon joh due to probation. Bessine's

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<v Speaker 1>specification of the gender aggression that colors the perception of

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<v Speaker 1>young black girls in public restores to Harlan's story the

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<v Speaker 1>precision of its tragedy in the prestige projects that have

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<v Speaker 1>been urged a generation after the Los Angeles riots, including

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<v Speaker 1>Ezra Edelman's notable twenty sixteen documentary OJ made in America,

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<v Speaker 1>Harlan's death has figured as a sort of informational prologue

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<v Speaker 1>to the narratives of black men like Rodney King and O. J. Simpson. Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>It's important for us to remember that the riots were

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<v Speaker 1>not just about Rodney King, said legal scholar Kimberlee Crenshaw

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time at the same Hammer Museum event. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>for many Angelinos, Latasha Harlan's was the only point. Was

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<v Speaker 1>the only point. As we look at the families of

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<v Speaker 1>Trayvon Martin and Ezelle Ford, we can do the role

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<v Speaker 1>call of racially charged killings, said David Bryant, co founder

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<v Speaker 1>of the Latasha Harland's Justice Committee, speaking individual held on

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty fifth anniversary of Harlan's death. In the nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>the committee would conduct yearly protests, demonstrating outside the courthouse

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<v Speaker 1>where Carlin handed down her decision. We were the forerunners

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<v Speaker 1>to all that misery. UCLA professor Brenda Stevenson. The Contested

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<v Speaker 1>Murder of Latasha Harlan's Justice, Gender and the Origins of

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<v Speaker 1>the LA Riots, published in twenty thirteen, gives readers a

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<v Speaker 1>detailed portrait of the girl and her familial, geographical and

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<v Speaker 1>racial context. She was born in Illinois in nineteen seventy five.

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<v Speaker 1>She had moved to South Central when she turned six

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<v Speaker 1>years old. Harlan's father left Latasha and her siblings when

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<v Speaker 1>they were still young. Her mother, Crystal, was killed at

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<v Speaker 1>a nightclub in nineteen eighty five. The trauma, her family surmised,

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<v Speaker 1>contributed to Harlan's quet and shy demeanor through her grandmother,

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<v Speaker 1>though her grandmother lamented that right before her death, Harlan's

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<v Speaker 1>was showing interest in dating. Tasha, as she was called

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<v Speaker 1>by friends and family, was raised by her grandmother, Ruth,

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<v Speaker 1>a quote strong willed and dignified woman from Alabama. They

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<v Speaker 1>lived about five minutes away from the market owned by

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<v Speaker 1>the Dew family. She told friends that she was acutely

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<v Speaker 1>aware of the eyes watching. In her book, Stevenson maintains

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<v Speaker 1>that much about the outcomes of this case can be

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<v Speaker 1>understood when one examines closely the personal biographies and group

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<v Speaker 1>histories of Latasha, Harlan's, Soon jah Do, and Joyce Carlin.

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<v Speaker 1>Their individual life stories and the stories of their ancestors

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<v Speaker 1>are windows into their personal socializations and perspectives that must

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<v Speaker 1>have affected the ways in which they regarded and responded

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<v Speaker 1>to each other. Now, I want to read this because

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<v Speaker 1>it's important. You know, obviously we're talking about history and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, twenty fifth anniversary and all these things, but

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<v Speaker 1>we also want to make sure that we do this carefully.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not an anti Asian conversation at all. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a thing that happened in the community that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of triggered a lot of what we're now seeing today.

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<v Speaker 1>We did have a conversation on this show where we

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<v Speaker 1>discussed the history of the relationship between black people and

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<v Speaker 1>Asian people in this country. Asian people were able to

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<v Speaker 1>come over to this country and get small business loans

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<v Speaker 1>based off of some government programs. Those loans were only

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<v Speaker 1>good in poor neighborhoods, black neighborhoods, and because of a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of anti black bias, and because of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of economic inequalities and opportunities going away from black people

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<v Speaker 1>who had an entrepreneurial spirit to folks just moving here,

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<v Speaker 1>largely Asian Americans. It led to a lot of resentment

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<v Speaker 1>in those neighborhoods. We on this show love wholeheartedly and

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<v Speaker 1>move full throadedly support the fair treatment and the support

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<v Speaker 1>of our Asian American and Pacific Island brothers and sisters.

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<v Speaker 1>But this story is history and this is our way

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<v Speaker 1>black history fact for today, I do want to end

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<v Speaker 1>with this. Tupac had an infinity for Latasha, has mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>her name in several songs as well as dedicating the

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<v Speaker 1>iconic song keep Your Head Up to Latasha, So we

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to make sure that we celebrated her today. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to do it for us here today on

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<v Speaker 1>Civic Cipher. Once again, I'm your host, Rams's Job. Q

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<v Speaker 1>So then please y'all like yo, we had to leave.

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<v Speaker 1>We bring it to you as it happens the streets.

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<v Speaker 3>You're rapping the street compared the slash peak expando. You're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna fight the slander with the proper propaganda.

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<v Speaker 1>What's happening, It's happen.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got a questions to ask if the news is

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<v Speaker 3>just a TV show you're passing And this from a

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<v Speaker 3>quiet wartime journalist headlines, Wait, y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>Preheats and resist like.

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<v Speaker 2>This like this, like this, like

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<v Speaker 3>We get mine action this