1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,359 Speaker 1: Everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast. 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: I'm your host ESPN and Arizona Cardinals broadcaster Dave Pash. Well, 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: as you know from our first fifty one episodes of 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: the Dave Pash Podcast, we have a variety of guests 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: on this show, but most of the time it has 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: an Arizona Cardinals spin. Well, today we get back into 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: the Cardinal space with Cardinals second year linebacker Xaban Collins. 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: Xavin has had an outstanding year for the Cardinals. He's 9 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: really coming into his own and currently he is just 10 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: one of nine players in the NFL with at least 11 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: seventy five tackles, eight tackles for a loss in two sacks. 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: He also has an interception for a touchdown and could 13 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: have easily had two more interceptions over the last two games. 14 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: We'll talk about how close Zaban was to getting another 15 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: touchdown in the game on Monday Night. We'll also talk 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: with Zaban about his childhood growing up outside of Tulsa, Oklahoma, 17 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: playing at a small school, and then what he learned 18 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: his first year in the NFL. It's not so much 19 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: like the game slowdown, like everyone's still fast as hell. 20 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: Everyone's you know what I mean, Like the players are 21 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: all that are all fast. You know, it's the recognition 22 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: of things and you know, processing information. Also, Zaban will 23 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: discuss some of the players that he looks up to 24 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: on this team, what to expect from the Cardinals the 25 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: last month of the season, and what he hopes to 26 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: achieve next year as he continues to roll in his 27 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: role as one of the leaders of the defense. 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I know it's tough when 44 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: things aren't going well for the team, but how do 45 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: you think you've played this year? Um? Obviously from last 46 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: year it's a completely nine day difference, but you know, 47 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: from like an overall league standpoint, UM, you know, just 48 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: trying to I've played I think good, but just still 49 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: trying to get better every game. You know, produce, UM, 50 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: make the plays I need to make, and you know, 51 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: UM play complimentary football for the defense and then obviously 52 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 1: the team. But yeah, it's been it's been good. I've 53 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: been robbed the last couple, you know, big plays that 54 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: you know, Chargers would have been a game ender, and 55 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 1: then obviously last week would have been seven points for 56 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 1: the defense. And it's kind of nice because getting to 57 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: do that with Isaiah's touchdown, my touchdown against the Seattle 58 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: we like, UM, I think the Cardinals defense like number 59 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: one for like touchdowns for a defense, I think, which 60 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: is you know what I mean, just trying to stack 61 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: those stuff like that, Just trying to put points on 62 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: the board and do whatever as a defense is always fun. 63 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: Not only did you get robbed, but and I said 64 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: this on the air when you were doing the game, 65 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: Wolf and I both I don't understand how replay in 66 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: the Chargers game overturns that because there's no way that 67 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 1: that was indisputable video evidence beyond all doubt. Yeah, that's 68 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: the thing that that that hurt me there. And then 69 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: last game, I secured that the ball on my shoulder 70 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: while falling, so it's not like it was fumbling around, 71 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: and they said it didn't even look like it hit 72 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: the grass, so they didn't really understand. The thing that 73 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: confused me last game more than both games was I 74 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: caught the ball, fell ran into the end zone, went 75 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: to the sideline, and was already back onto the field 76 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: because they'd overturned it that fast. I was like, Dan, 77 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: I was so fast because they had declared it a 78 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: touchdown already, so they have to have like a you 79 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: said again in disputed evidence. I thought they're just gonna 80 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: call me down by him touching me or something on 81 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: a knee while I was still on the ground, and 82 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: then when they overturned it all the way, I was 83 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: pissed off. It was like, damn yeah, because I think 84 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: looking back at it, had they still ruled in the 85 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: last game, had they still ruled that an interception, they 86 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: would have said you were down by contact. But the 87 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: league wants to let things play out because obviously if 88 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: they say you're down but then you're not, yeah, you 89 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: lose the runback. What happened to JJ Yeah exactly with 90 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: the forced fumble. Yeah, and they said it was incomplete 91 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: pass and he runs into the end zone and they'd 92 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: blown it dead and yeah, so those two plays, oh 93 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: so close. But you did have the pick six earlier 94 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: in the year. And what are the plays that stands 95 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: out to me? And maybe it's because it was fresh 96 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: in my memory from Monday night. Was one of the 97 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: fifty screen passes they ran where you saw it, recognized it, 98 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: tracked and backed. Yeah. Yeah, we'd we'd been tipped off. 99 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: I mean knew that they're going to come into our 100 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: game with a lot of screen. We've been getting a 101 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: lot of screen all year. So whenever I saw that 102 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: pump fake the other way and you can really tell 103 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: by the o liman like their eyes. Like, for the 104 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: most part, when you're off the ball, like by five yards, 105 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: those o liman aren't staring at you. They're looking right 106 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: to left to see you know. For games, if it's 107 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: pass protection, pulling a screen, they're letting the rush go 108 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: by them and then they're climbing for the linebackers or 109 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: you know, second level. So whenever their eyes are locked 110 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: onto you and your five yards off the ball, that 111 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: kind of just gives you a heads up right now, 112 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: like this is a screen. So then making that play 113 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: was nice. Yeah, there was a couple of screens that 114 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: I had. I had another tight end screen. That's the 115 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: one where each Max Jones scrambled around and they called 116 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: linman down the field. I'd actually grabbed that tight end 117 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: before he could give him the ball. So is that 118 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: an area where you've grown when you think about going 119 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: from year one to year two? Is that what I 120 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: think when people say things have slowed down? Is that 121 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: what it looks like where you're able to recognize it 122 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: pre snap or as soon as the snap happens, what's 123 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: going on based on seeing the lyman's eyes. Yeah, it's 124 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: not it's not so much like the game slow down, 125 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: Like everyone's still fast as hell. Everyone's you know what 126 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: I mean, Like the players are all that are all fast. 127 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: You know. It's the recognition of things and you know, 128 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: processing information, you know, it's it's that And that's the 129 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: aspect that's slowed down the most for me being able 130 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: to recognize things listening to the DJ's call, and because 131 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: he gives us, you know, a giant call sheet each 132 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: week and it has like first and second down, these 133 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: are the play calls this personnel, here's the play calls, 134 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: you know, passing situations. Here's what we're thinking. So then 135 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: if you take the call and kind of apply it 136 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: to the situation and down, that'll tell you what he's thinking. 137 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: And then you know, like ninety five percent of the 138 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: time he's right. So it's like it just gives you 139 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: a little head step before and you know, obviously having 140 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: him in the headset, it's like he'll tell tell me 141 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: to tell guys other things, so then I understand, like 142 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: I am getting all the information even when he's not 143 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: even talking to me. I have to relay it. So 144 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: that's what it's like. So he'll call the play, Yeah, 145 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: he'll call the defense and then there may be instructions of, hey, 146 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: remind Isaiah about this, Like yeah, it's not so much 147 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: remind someone. It's more like, um, you know, show this 148 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: or show that, or you know, remember to tell the 149 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: these guys like right here in this situation, we're press 150 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: belling or we're you know, we're staying, we're pressing right here. 151 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: You know, it's more of the situational reminders rather than 152 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: a job reminder. Like the job reminder like that doesn't 153 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: really tell me much about the game. It's the situational 154 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: reminders that really, you know, help me too. How's your 155 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: memory retention? So when good, So when he calls it 156 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: and he tells you, he adds something like, hey, we're 157 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: gonna show this or disguise this or whatever. You're boom 158 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: telling guests. Ye, yeah, I mean it's just like if 159 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: you're talking to me right now with this headset on, 160 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: I'm talking to you. So whatever you're saying, you're talking 161 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: to Craig ray Lewis. Yeah, So I'm yeah, obviously, yeah, 162 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: just letting people know who I'm. So there's three people 163 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: in here, every Yeah, there's a third person here. So 164 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: you're talking so one to two, and then two is 165 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: talking to two to three. But I'm talking to everyone 166 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: while you're talking to me, because there's not enough time 167 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: most of the time for him to call the call 168 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: and meet a wait listen to everything unless it's like 169 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: a stop down or you know, a long play, but 170 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: like when teams are going hurry up. You know, I 171 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: gotta talk while I'm listening, which is kind of a 172 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: task that I've had to learn. Um sure so, but yeah, 173 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: and I don't get everything, like as far as like 174 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: the situational reminders stuff like that. I don't get everything, 175 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: but I mean I get most of it. Yeah, So 176 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if you watch a lot of sports 177 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: on television, But so in a similar now I'm not 178 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: about to get run over or run over somebody, but 179 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, in a similar way, like I've got somebody, 180 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 1: you know, we may have to get a promo in 181 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: or hey, there's an injured play or something happens. A 182 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: producer is telling me in my year, and I have 183 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: to talk while he's telling me something and then listen 184 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: to the analysts. So I get I have an idea 185 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 1: like what you're talking about. But obviously then uh, there 186 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: aren't you know, three hundred pound lineman running at me 187 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: right after its running sprints. You know, the worst part 188 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: is like having a twelve played drive, and then you 189 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: get into the red zone and you know, red zone 190 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: everything has to be neat and you know, all all 191 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: eyes dotted, all tea's crossed to have a good red 192 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: zone performance. So that's like the you know, just trying 193 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: to get the call to everyone and can get hectic 194 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: down there sometimes. So I remember the year at Tulsa 195 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: when you won the bed Nerek and the Nagurski Awards 196 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: and obviously ended up being a first round pick. I 197 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: know it was a weird year because it was a 198 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: COVID year and I don't even remember if you guys 199 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: had fans at all at any of your games. Yeah, 200 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: we did a little bit, but not much. It was 201 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: like spread out, no front or bottom row, so it 202 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: was really weird. And then I mean Tulsa, we didn't 203 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: really have like a giant you know, Ohio State fan base, 204 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: you know it was it wasn't like that, but it 205 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: was a was spread out for sure. Quiet and so 206 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: in in that league, are you in a similar situation 207 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: where you're in charge of getting everybody lined up, and 208 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: are the calls similar, Is they're less furbiage? Are there 209 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: just a handful of defenses at that level or calls 210 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: at that level as opposed to if you were at 211 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: a Power five school or the NFL. Yeah, so I 212 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: mean at that level, No, we didn't have a lot 213 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: of calls. I mean we had blitzs and pressures and 214 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: stuff like that, but we didn't have nearly as much 215 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: as you know what we do here. We have you know, 216 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: we have personnels for thirteen. We have personnels for twelve. 217 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: We have personnels eleven, you know, so eleven one tight end, 218 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: one on one back, you know, two tight ends, one back. 219 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: We have personnels for all of this stuff. We have 220 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: calls we're thrown in. We have such you know, situational 221 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: calls we're doing. We have you know, exotic pressures I 222 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 1: called zotics to where it means like the it doesn't 223 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: look like a normal defense, like we're kind of all 224 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: lined up in a really weird way, you know, like six, 225 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: six or seven men down on the line or you 226 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 1: know what I mean, like exact pressures like that. You 227 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: got um goal line packages, you know, all this stuff. 228 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: Just because there's so much that goes into an NFL 229 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: game like you're not just working. Like when you talk 230 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: about the NFL game, you know, there's been scouts that 231 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: have for the other team that are you know, three 232 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: games go that we're watching you to see what their 233 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: weakness is on the defense. They apply that to you know, 234 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: they tell the coaches that the coaches scheme you up 235 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: all week. They bring that to the players, the quarterback 236 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: for their team and scheming up. So it's like, you 237 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: know what I mean, there's so much stuff. And then 238 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: that's another thing that I've learned too while being in 239 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: NFL so far as like you know, going back and 240 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: watching film and seeing all this stuff, it really applies. 241 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: It does apply to the field. But then an offense 242 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: is always going to have their change up to beat 243 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: you that week. Sure, and once you can catch on 244 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: during the game to what that is, then you kind 245 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: of start to stop that offense. There their m O 246 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: for that week, and and that's the thing. So you 247 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: kind of got to be prepared for that offense. But 248 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 1: also in a general broad aspect of how are you 249 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: going to fix this? But yeah, I mean I've had 250 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: some situations this year where you know, hey, I saw 251 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: this on the field, I bring it to the sideline. 252 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,719 Speaker 1: We look at the still shots and it's like, this 253 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: is where they're going to hit us if we don't 254 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: fix this right now. And then you know, we fix 255 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: it and you can see where they were trying to 256 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: hit us, you know, a couple of plays later. I mean, 257 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: you know, like they tried it and I think it 258 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: was one time as like a pressure. But yeah, it's 259 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: just in that kind of like it gives me confidence, 260 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: you know, to see like, hey, I saw this and 261 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: I was right, because you don't want to see it 262 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: and then you know, make a big doubt of it 263 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: and it's like, damn, you're wrong, but you know, yeah 264 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: it's and it's not. This isn't like a week to 265 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: week thing that happened a couple of times maybe, and 266 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 1: but it's nice, Yeah, just seeing it kind of all 267 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: unravel and then just trying to be a professional in 268 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: the building and you know, study and know the plays 269 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: and you know, once I know my job description really well, 270 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 1: I can help other players that come in. So like 271 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: I've done the Cardinals for twenty one years, I've seen 272 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: a lot of guys come through here, and seeing guys 273 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: that you know, we're really good college players that didn't 274 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: make it. I've seen guys that weren't really good college 275 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: players that end up being terrific NFL players. And some 276 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: of it is just the situation what's going on with 277 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: the team at that time. And you know, you came 278 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: from a small school, but you're a mid first round pick. 279 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 1: I mean, you were going to get picked. Whether In fact, 280 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: I was told by several people that if Mac Jones 281 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: and you probably know this thing you're been it, would 282 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: you would have been a Patriot. Yeah, Mac, Mac was 283 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: number one on their board, and then I'm pretty sure 284 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, number two, So yeah, I figured 285 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: that out. Like I don't know if it was after 286 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: the draft or the day of the draft or what 287 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: it was. So you're sitting there watching like everything just unfolded, 288 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And like, you know, ninety 289 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: percent of the time, unless it's even like this year 290 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: it's draft or whatever it was last year's draft, the 291 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: only really certain pick kind is the first pick, and 292 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: then last year's draft, you know whatever that was. Twenty 293 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: twenty twos draft was kind of you know, after the 294 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: first pick, everyone thought it was gonna be this dude, 295 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: it wasn't and you know, you know, it's just all 296 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: over the place. So but yeah, it's a it's different 297 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: for sure. So how when you got here then how 298 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: much of it was a new world for you? Something? 299 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: What we were talking about with with what you did, 300 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: what you were asked to do a tulsa based on 301 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: what you're asked to do at this level. The description 302 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: of you know, take charge of the defense and call 303 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: the plays was the same. The amount of plays and 304 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: knowing situational stuff and processing of information was so opposite. 305 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: It was just like it was just so much stuff 306 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: for me, you know, trying to learn all that stuff 307 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: last year and you know, it just I just needed 308 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: time to understand it all because I'm when I know something, 309 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: I know in depth and know how what we're thinking, 310 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: what we're trying to do, how we're trying to operate 311 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: this thing, you know what I mean, I just don't 312 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: know it because it's the rule. You know. Billyde which 313 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: is my linebackers show, she's big on like know the why, 314 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: know the why why are we doing this? So then 315 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: out on the field, if he's calling this, then you 316 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: know the reason or the why behind it. You know 317 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: what I mean, So it's not it's it's it makes 318 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: things a little bit easier for me. And you know, 319 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: like this year, I've taken I think, for myself, big 320 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: steps because I can like help other players fund need 321 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: to or like, you know, get people aligned if I 322 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: need to, maybe not the right guys are in for 323 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: a certain call I can make. I can know the call, 324 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: change the call. You know, if offensive hurry up, it's 325 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: third and one balls in the you know, on the 326 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: fifty yard line, what are we gonna run? Last year, 327 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: I wouldn't been able to do that, no shot, just 328 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: because the mental you know what I mean. Like last year, 329 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: I'm studying all these calls and then this year I'm 330 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: studying these calls for a situation more so it's just 331 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: a situational matter. It's just, you know, is big in 332 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: this league because you can get put into anything and 333 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: you got to know it and you're expected to know it. 334 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: So you're from hominy, Is that how you say it? So? 335 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: I was in Oklahoma a few weeks ago. I did Bedlam. 336 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: It's the first time I'd done Bedlam. Obviously it was 337 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: not a great year for Oklahoma, and I had done 338 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: Oklahoma State, Texas and Oklahoma State won that game and 339 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: then did not play well down the stretch, but obviously 340 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: that is the game in the state. You grew up 341 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: north of Tulsa, closer to Stillwater than Norman. Did you 342 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: grow up watching Bedlam? Were you recruited it all by 343 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: either school? Were you? Did you have a school that 344 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: you preferred if it wasn't Tulsa. Would you wanted to 345 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: be a Sooner or a Poke? Yeah? When I was 346 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: growing up, it was all owe you everything, you know, 347 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: owe you over everyone, Oh you over Texas, owe you 348 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: over OSU. And then like I really didn't even realize 349 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: what Tulsa was when I was being recruited. I remember 350 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: I got one letter from OU and it was the 351 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: general information letter that they send regular students. So and 352 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: it just happened. It just happened to be, you know, 353 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: it was something that I like thought was big at 354 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: the time. I'm like, oh man, I gotta leary from OU. 355 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, it was it was nothing 356 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: at the time, but for me it was everything. And thought, 357 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: you know, I was gonna get offers, this and that 358 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,479 Speaker 1: just grind and you know, never really got the offers. 359 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: And then obviously when I knew, and that was the 360 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: time when OU was getting you know, they were getting 361 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: five star after five star after four star, you know 362 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I would have been from a 363 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: prospect standpoint, bottom of the barrel. You know, They're coming 364 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: out of small school in Oklahoma, last eleven man before 365 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: you go to eight man football. So and then the 366 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: very first college game, actual college game I ever went to. 367 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: I guess I would did go to OU when I 368 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: was younger, but you know that I clearly remember was 369 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: Tulsa versus Marshall for a church event type of deal. Really, 370 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: and then you know, two or three years later, I 371 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: got an offer from them, only Division one offer, and 372 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: I ended up playing you know, football there for four years. 373 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 1: It was I loved Tulsa. Tulsa coach Money, that whole staff. 374 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: Um Joseph Gillespie, he was my defensive coordinator. He's now 375 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator for TCU. UM so he's had a 376 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: big year this year. And uh, I mean, yeah, I 377 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: can't think them enough. They you know, there's the reason 378 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: why I'm here for sure. So going back to Oklahoma 379 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: for a second, because you said you you did go 380 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: to some games as a kid to some games in Norman. 381 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,239 Speaker 1: Who did you have a favorite player? No, it was like, 382 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: I'm pretty it was like Sam Bradford at the time, 383 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: and you were a quarterback some up in high school, right, yeah, 384 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: but this was like way before high school. Like this 385 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: is young, that's true. Yeah, like I was. I was young. 386 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, I'm just sitting in the stands. 387 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:37,719 Speaker 1: It was like, oh you. I think it was oh 388 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: you versus Missouri, and I just remember sitting the stands 389 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: watching football. I thing, I want to play football one day. 390 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: And then you know, it's like it's crazy, you know 391 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: because as when you think back about being a kid 392 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: and watching football and saying, man, I want to play 393 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: football for the rest of my life, and then you 394 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,479 Speaker 1: get so caught up and playing football for the rest 395 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: of your life that you forget like this is your 396 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: dream job. You get you get paid to come and work, 397 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: paid to be around people like guys you know, complaint. 398 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: Oh I had to interview today about I mean, we're 399 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: really lucky to be able to do this. So you're 400 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: not going to complain about how those pasts good? Like 401 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: it's will be the first it's a it's a it's 402 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: a blessing, you know, to be able to do this stuff, 403 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: be able to you know, reach out and you know, 404 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: be able to help the world. Um, that's you know, 405 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: that's one of the things I say my pregame prayers. Uh, 406 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: thank you, you know, thank you guy for allowing me 407 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 1: to play this game. Thank you for allowing me to 408 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: provide for my family. That's awesome. Yeah. So and that's 409 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: it's it just it brings jills to me because that's 410 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,479 Speaker 1: really what this game is about, you know, and just 411 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: going out there and perform and trying to be the best. 412 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: And that's what it's about. So that piqued your interest 413 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: when you were you know, when did it start? Like 414 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: when did you actually start to play football? And what 415 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: did that look like when she started to play. I've 416 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: played football since i've been knee high to a grasshopper. 417 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I've played football forever. I mean we started 418 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: flag football and like kindergarten, and then we were playing 419 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: pads in like third grade, like you know what I mean, 420 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: Like you're just falling on each other rather than tackling someone. 421 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: But that's like where it starts. So I've been playing 422 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: football longer than I've been able to drive. I've been 423 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: playing football longer than a lot of things, you know, 424 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: and it's crazy to think about because that's it's been 425 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: my life. And then being from a small school, you 426 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: play other sports too. It hasn't been always football, but 427 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: play basketball, baseball, track all growing up? Did all that? Did? 428 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: I also read that you were a gymnast at one point. Yeah, 429 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: how old were you when you were a gymnast? I 430 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: was young, shoot, probably nine, Okay, so you weren't six three, 431 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: two sixty like, no, no, no, no, Yeah. Could you 432 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: do some of the stuff that you could do back then? Now? No, 433 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: I could do like a backflip on like a trampoline 434 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I'm athletic, do stuff like that, 435 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: cart wheel and stuff like that. But nothing like you 436 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: see those people flying through the air. You can't. Yeah, 437 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: you can't fly to two sixty through there. So you're 438 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: not gonna do the Buddha kip up I could do. 439 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: I feel like I could do that. I might try 440 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: that next game. I'll probably make a fool out of myself. 441 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: But if you get a pick and they actually let 442 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: you keep this one and they don't take it away 443 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: from yet, do the kip up? Yeah? I know, I'll 444 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: just go lay in the end zone until i want 445 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: to back up, and I'm gonna try and kick myself 446 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: up like Buddha. Still that the kip. And then also 447 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: which I don't know if you saw the meme of 448 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: against the Saints where Andy Dalton throws the pick six 449 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: to Marco Wilson and Andy's walking off the field and 450 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: you see Marco Wilson flying through the air behind him. 451 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: So you said you played a lot of different sports 452 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: growing up. Did you think about playing another sport? It 453 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: was always football, always football, Never thought about playing anything else. 454 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: I wanted to go to college for football. Didn't want 455 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: to go to college for anything else. Nothing. Do you 456 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: have hobbies? Yeah, okay, yeah, so I mean growing up, 457 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you'd you know, you're in football. Football ends. 458 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 1: You get it one day off, it's really half a day. 459 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 1: You're trying on stuff for basketball. You're trying to get 460 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: your jersey fitted. You're trying to you're me and my 461 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: mom are going to Hibba Sports Academy, going to buy 462 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: basketball shoes, throw those basketball shoes on, and next day 463 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: you're playing in a tournament somewhere, like you know, like 464 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: literally the next day, like one day off playing in 465 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 1: the tournament, after that playing basketball. You know, basketball ends 466 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: one day off, you're swinging the bat and then also 467 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: running track at the same time. We had We used 468 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: to get out of school, start doing our track, leave 469 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: track halfway through, go to baseball. And then you had 470 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: to pick sometimes would you rather go to the baseball 471 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: tournament and baseball games or the track meet that day? 472 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: Was this your mom who was really pushing you? No, 473 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 1: it was just it's just I mean it's just a 474 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: small school. It's not like I'm the only person doing this. 475 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: It's either this is like everyone, this is everyone in hominy. 476 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: This is all my friends, you know ninety like you know, 477 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: eight out of the five or five out of eight 478 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: friends that I had from back there that was close 479 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: to they all played four sports or you know, three sports. 480 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: So and that was just what they did. And I 481 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: grew up with a bunch of cowboys and stuff like 482 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: so in the summertimes they were out cowboy and doing 483 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: that stuff, and I was in summer basketball. And you know, 484 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: but we all grew up hunting. We all go up 485 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: up out at the lake doing stuff of the lake. 486 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: And so I mean, for now, my free time I 487 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: hunt when I get, you know, my free time. And 488 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: then whenever it's so limited during the season, like on 489 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,479 Speaker 1: my days that I get long days, like I'm Friday, 490 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: we get out of a certain time, I'm able, we'll go, 491 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,959 Speaker 1: I'll go to the gun range. I'll just shoot for hours. 492 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: And that's kind of what I do. What do you hunt? 493 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: So I've We did a little bit more Western hunting 494 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: this year, me and my friend from college, his name 495 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: is Sam Clayton. We did a little bit more Western hunting, 496 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: which is like up in the mountains, hiking a lot. 497 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: We killed an elk and we were going from mule deer. 498 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: But this year I killed a which is South Texas hunting. 499 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: I killed a giant nil guy. And what a nil guy? 500 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: What is that? A nil guy is an Asian deer 501 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: and it's giant. They're usually like five hundred pounds six 502 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,479 Speaker 1: hundred pounds. Wow, they're big. And they brought them over 503 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: a long time ago from India on a boat. There's 504 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: like six of them. They put them in South Texas 505 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 1: thinking all these things don't aren't gonna get out, and 506 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: know these things run through fence. Six of them got out. 507 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: They were and from six there's like thirty thousand now 508 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: forty thousand in South Texas. So they're they're an animal 509 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: that they call Farrell, which is like shooting anything that 510 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: farrell is like you can shoot on site and leave. 511 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: The meat's really good. It's one of the best meats 512 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: for you in the world. It's uh yeah, it's super lean, 513 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: tastes really really good. And U so I killed that 514 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: harvested that got like I think I'm getting like three 515 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: hundred pounds of meat. Oh my goodness, So this is 516 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: gonna last meet forever. And then and then I got 517 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 1: a deer too, And the deer was an older and 518 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: older buck, so we're not really gonna eat that, but 519 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,719 Speaker 1: we donated all the meat. So they got um hunters 520 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: for the hungry, so donated all the meat to that. 521 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: That type of deal, so nothing gets wasted. The only 522 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: thing that probably you know is like a wild boar, 523 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: which is a very Ferrell animal like that'll just go 524 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: through stuff. They carry a lot of diseases, lies, they're disgusting. 525 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: They smell bad. One could walk in on the other 526 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: complete opposite side of this building and you'd go, what 527 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: is that smell? And I'd be like that swine like 528 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: that's a pig. I can smell it. Like you let 529 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: them out on the field, two of them out on 530 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: this field for twenty minutes. The whole field to look 531 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: like it's been ran over by a tracker. That's what 532 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: it's like. So it's like, you know, and I like 533 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: to do that on my free time. I like to 534 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: fish and stuff too. Because when it grew up on 535 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: a lake. But that's it. So did you have did 536 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: you get like the head and put it on a 537 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: mantle of yeah? So I yeah, we um we caped 538 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: it out and we got like a shoulder mount. Yeah. Wow. 539 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: It's like facing left and looking right. Yeah. Big, it's 540 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: a giant. You were telling me before we started that 541 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: you you do listen to some some other podcasts because 542 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 1: this still this is still pretty new to me. We 543 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: just started this last year. Um so what do you 544 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 1: listen to? A sports or no sports? No sports? Um? 545 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: I every once in a while, when I'm digging in, 546 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: like if I'm on a rabbit hole, like a YouTube 547 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: rabbit hole, I'll fall into like a Joe Rogan Crazy 548 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: podcast will take you down, you know, just like who 549 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: knows what's being talked about today? But someone who's like 550 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: talks you know, Jocko willing Is, he's a cool podcast 551 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: listen to um he talks about just like I'm also 552 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: in factuated with like just guns. And then like all 553 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: those you know, what the service men and women do 554 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: for our country. You want to talk about sacrifice, you 555 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: can talk to them, you know what I mean. It's 556 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: that's that's a whole different level level of self sacrifice 557 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: rather than you know, than what we do as football players. Like, 558 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: that's a whole different level. They're they're they're a blessing 559 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: from God. But like I listened to someone called Visions Elite, 560 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: he brings in um ex military or you know, ex 561 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: special forces people unless them just kind of share their 562 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: experience and how it's like turned them, you know what 563 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: I mean, And it's actually cool. And then also is 564 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: a lot of information, you know what I mean, Things 565 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: really aren't as bad as they seen here. But um, 566 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 1: I think the thing that about that that relays for 567 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: me to football is each one of these guys is 568 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: a leader in some formal way, and each one of 569 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: them have a specific job and task to do every 570 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: time they're tasked with one, and they perform it to 571 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: the best stability. And that's kind of like you know 572 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: what I mean, that's just like something that if you 573 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: can apply to football and every day when you come 574 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: to work you have a job to do. This is 575 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,479 Speaker 1: what you need to do. Go out do it. And 576 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: if you can kind of just transfer what they're saying 577 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: into like you know, apply it to football, it helps 578 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: me out just you know, hey, come in, get it done, 579 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,959 Speaker 1: let's do it. Learn it, know it, and whenever you know, 580 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: starts to hit the fan, you're able to you know, 581 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: figure it out. So that's what kind of resonates with me, 582 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: I guess. But you know, everyone's different. So I mean, 583 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 1: you've got first of all, again you've had a terrific here, 584 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: but just I could sit here and talk to you 585 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: for an hour, but I know you've got stuff to do. 586 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: Oh no, you're good, Yeah, you have, you have a life. 587 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 1: But I do want to ask it. You know, how 588 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 1: often do you get back to Tulsa. Are you a 589 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: big family guy? Yeah? I went back on our week 590 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: long break after So you get three breaks during the 591 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: season usually once right after training camp Thursday game, which 592 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: is we call them, you call it mini buy, and 593 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: then you have to buy by game. So those are 594 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: like usually the three breaks, ones before season and then 595 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: two during season, one usually halfway through, and then you know, 596 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: obviously we had a bye week late this season, went 597 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: back home for all of them, or tried to. I 598 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: didn't get to go home for the Thursday game. I 599 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: didn't get to do that. Yeah, it was just such 600 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: a short week. That's the week we killed that ELK. 601 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: But we h. Yeah, I try and get home as 602 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: much as possible, and then in the off season I'll 603 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: go home for you know, a long period of time. 604 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: And then fourth of July. I'm I'm just curious also 605 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: as we close out here, because you're gonna have a 606 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: chance to go home here soon, obviously, the way things 607 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: are going with the team, unfortunately, what do you want 608 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: to see from yourself your teammates the last four games 609 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: so that you leave this season with a good taste 610 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: in your mouth, Because obviously this thing has not gone 611 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: the way any of us thought it would hoped it would, 612 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: And I know it's probably just as frustrating for you 613 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: as it is for the coaches and for all of 614 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: us in the organization. More so, I'm sure for the 615 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: players than anybody, because you guys are part of it. 616 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: And obviously you guys were building something and had the 617 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: hic up here in twenty twenty two. But what is 618 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: it you want to look back on in a month 619 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: and say, you know, we we finished strong and here's why. Yeah, 620 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: I think you just never want to see like a 621 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,719 Speaker 1: quitting mentality. I mean, let's not give up until you know, 622 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: all zeros. And this kind of also stems from the 623 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: the podcast I listened to, like don't ever give up, 624 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like that's that's too easy, 625 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: way too easy, Like you know, just stick with getting. 626 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: You know, if if the way we practice whatever or 627 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: whatever we did that week, if it didn't work, we 628 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: will just change it and we'll figure out something that does. 629 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: And then we just got to keep moving and keep growing. 630 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest thing is just you know, 631 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: be you know, be able to change, be able to adapt, 632 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: and you know, just keep going forward, keep pushing, keep 633 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: st Like Buddhas says, every every game went on three 634 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: and Strain, you know what I mean? Strain And he's 635 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: really good. He's someone I look up to because like 636 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, has he messed up before? Yeah? 637 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: And but he messes up going ninety miles an hour. 638 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: He knows everything in that playbook he makes. He makes 639 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: like I'll hear buddhoo yelling calls and from one sideline, 640 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: and VJ was telling me what the thing Buddha is saying, 641 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: even though they can't hear each other or talk to 642 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: each other, you know what I mean, Like Buddha knows 643 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: what's about to be calling and he don't have the 644 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: green dot. There's only one green dot on the field. 645 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: That's me, you know what I mean. So I know, 646 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: like Buddha is on top of his stuff, like you 647 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like he's so on top of 648 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: his stuff. And he expects a lot out of you 649 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: as a player, Like he expects you to know your stuff, 650 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: He expects you to know your job. He expects you 651 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: to do your job at a high level, more so 652 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: than a lot of people, Like I mean a lot. 653 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: I mean, So I really respect him. But yeah, and 654 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: he's always a no quick guy, no quit just ball, 655 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: keep going, keeps driving and just you know, never give up. 656 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: And that's the thing I want to see out of 657 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: us is just and myself just keep going, you know 658 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: what I mean? How vocal are you in the locker 659 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: room with that, are you because you know, watching Hard 660 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: Knocks and obviously you know that's just a snapshot of 661 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: what's going on. Yeah, but I see a lot of 662 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: different guys talking. Are you one of those guys? M 663 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,479 Speaker 1: I'm not screaming at people, but like, you know, my 664 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: my little group that I kind of like with the linebackers, Me, Tanner, Roleo, 665 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: ben um Comu, Zeke, all those guys. That's during the game, 666 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: it's like, hey, you know what I mean, keep going, 667 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: let's go, come on, it's time to go. JJ all 668 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: the guys up front in the huddle. More so, whenever 669 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: it's just you know, us eleven out there, I have 670 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: I'm not a big stand in front of the you 671 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: know everyone and scream at him. I have to earn that. 672 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: That's one of those things you kind of have to earn, 673 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. This year being year two 674 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: for me, you know, that's probably a role of a 675 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: very vocal person. I think next year that needs to 676 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: take place, especially be the mic, you know what I mean. U. 677 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, obviously sometimes you do have to 678 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: get onto some people, like not get on them, you know, 679 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: like we're not they're not kids. Everyone here's a grown man, 680 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: but like you know, like let him, Hey, you can't 681 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: really do that here because you know that this is 682 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: happening behind you or you know where you can't do 683 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: this stunt or whatever. But it's not I'm not you know, 684 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: I'm not not there m F and people. But it's 685 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: interesting that you because obviously you're very well spoken and 686 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: you're very smart, and you also recognize kind of where 687 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: you are right now and that you know that that's 688 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: a step you have to take, yeah, and that that 689 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: will come naturally. Yeah. And another thing another person I 690 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: talked to, so Buddha is more of like like he 691 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: shows you like he speaks like with extreme action, and 692 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: so does JJ. JJ speaks with extreme action. But JJ 693 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: also has like obviously since he's such like eleven year vet, 694 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: twelve year vet whatever he is, he has also knows 695 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: how to approach it with um a very vocal leadership 696 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: mentality and knows how to talk to people, you know 697 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: what I mean. And that's the thing about part being 698 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: a leader on this team, and what I've learned from 699 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: in the past is like you got to know how 700 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: to talk to certain players, you know what I mean, 701 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: Like some players like me, you can yell at me 702 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: or do whatever. And I'm not someone who's just gonna 703 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: like snap And then you know, you got some people 704 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:16,719 Speaker 1: like you can't do that, you know what I mean, 705 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: They're gonna snap back at you and you canna catch 706 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: a right hook. But um, you know what I mean. 707 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: So but um, you can also get your point across 708 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: by being you know, in a very serious, you know manner. 709 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: And uh that's like how how JJ is? You know, 710 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: And he's and I've talked to him especially recently about 711 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: you know, what to do in the offseason, what to 712 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: do about year three coming up, what to do about 713 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: being a leader on the team, how to you know, 714 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:47,719 Speaker 1: approach certain things, how to approach um to make guys responsible. Um, 715 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: that's just like all the stuff, you know, it's just 716 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: pre practice stuff you just get a chat about. And 717 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: then it's he's really helpful in that aspect, as you know, 718 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: as everyone thinks he would be here, he really is. Um. 719 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: And it's it's nice too because I just take all 720 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: that just put in a little foul cabin at the 721 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: back of the brain, you know, remember it for later, 722 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: and you know, just try and apply it whenever it 723 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: comes well, you've got such a bright future. I can't 724 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,720 Speaker 1: wait to see a play out. It's been fun watching 725 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: you this year, and I appreciate you spending some time 726 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: with him. Man. Yeah, I appreciate you having me on 727 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: this pretty cool. I didn't know you guys did this here. 728 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 1: This is the first time that I've heard about this. 729 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: I have to go back. Yeah, so, well, this is 730 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: your episode fifty two, so I don't know if you're 731 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: so it's it's not just Cardinals. So and being in 732 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: the media, I've had Scott vanpeld on, Jim Nance recently, 733 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,720 Speaker 1: like last year. I don't even know if Greg Olsen 734 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: earlier this year, got Damian Lillard on from the Blazers. 735 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if you're an Yeah, Dame was on 736 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,240 Speaker 1: last year. Mckel Bridges, James Jones. I'm having Mark Jackson 737 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: on next week from ESPN. Had been Gundy on last year. 738 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: So again, I don't know if these names are that's 739 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: cool too, but yeah, it's this is a It's fun 740 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: because for me it's an opportunity to get to know 741 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: guys a little bit more and until it's been fun 742 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: getting to know you. I appreciate it. Yeah, thank you, 743 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me on. I wasn't kidding. I 744 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: really could have talked to Zaban and I'm sure you 745 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: would have loved to have listened to zabn for another 746 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: thirty minutes or so. Had so many cool things to say. 747 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,800 Speaker 1: Just love his perspective on the game. He really gets it. 748 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: You can understand why he's really improved here in year 749 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: two and it is probably one of the most improved 750 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: players in the NFL, certainly on the Cardinals roster. Just 751 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: interesting how he admitted the struggles of last year and 752 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,399 Speaker 1: that it was such a wake up call for him, 753 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 1: but that he's handled things much better here in year 754 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: two and his hopes and dreams for year three and beyond. 755 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: Just really excited for him and just a joy to 756 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: talk with. 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