WEBVTT - Some Time With... Rennie Dyball!

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, Fana Ritos, and welcome back to How Rude Tanarritos.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we have a fun interview for you. We have

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed actors, directors, screenwriters, prop masters, and a warm up guy.

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<v Speaker 1>But today we are flipping the script and we are

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<v Speaker 1>going to interview someone who has interviewed us many times

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<v Speaker 1>in the past, celebrity reporter Rennie Dieball. Rennie was a

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<v Speaker 1>writer and editor for People magazine when she pitched and

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<v Speaker 1>scored the exclusive cover story of the Fuller House reboot

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty fifteen. She was the only reporter on set

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<v Speaker 1>when we taped the pilot, and she has so many

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<v Speaker 1>fun stories to share. She is an incredible writer, a

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<v Speaker 1>Full House super fan, and now a dear, dear friend

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<v Speaker 1>of ours. Please welcome Rennie.

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<v Speaker 2>We're so excited to see you. Rennie.

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<v Speaker 3>You have had such a.

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<v Speaker 2>A huge part of the full Fuller Lives. Me Andrea

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<v Speaker 2>like you.

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<v Speaker 3>You really have such a great connection to the full

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<v Speaker 3>and Fuller House cast. I would so you sent ab

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<v Speaker 3>a pitch to be on the podcast, which was amazing,

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<v Speaker 3>by the way.

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<v Speaker 1>No other guest has done that. So you are great

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<v Speaker 1>to make it happen.

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<v Speaker 3>But you have to tell listeners about it, because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we have we've pretty much stuck to guests, guest stars

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<v Speaker 3>on the show, writers, directors.

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<v Speaker 2>And things, and you're one of the first kind.

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<v Speaker 3>Of outside sources that we've had on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>But after you hear her pitch as to why she should.

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<v Speaker 3>Be that person, uh, I'm just saying, you're gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>voting for her. So yeah, I'm I'm writing your name

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<v Speaker 3>on a fill in ballot.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm excited we get to interview you today.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like fop in the script, actually very weird, but

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<v Speaker 4>I'm looking forward to it. I would rather be interviewed by.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, hopefully we do. Hopefully we do well, because you

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<v Speaker 1>know this is you know how we roll here. We're

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<v Speaker 1>a little unhinged, right prepared.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm ill, i have no idea what I'm gonna do.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm on cold medicine.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why we listen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly unhinged, is right.

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<v Speaker 1>So we described in the intro a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>your background how you were a celebrity reporter, writer editor

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<v Speaker 1>for People magazine for fifteen years, but way before that,

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<v Speaker 1>you were a super fan a full house growing up,

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<v Speaker 1>so you sort of manifested all of this, your interviews

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<v Speaker 1>with Full House cast, and now your friendship with me

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<v Speaker 1>and Jody. So take us back to the very beginning

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<v Speaker 1>when you were a little girl watching Full House. Tell

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<v Speaker 1>us what the show meant to you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Well, the show came out when I was seven

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<v Speaker 4>years old, so I was certainly you know, the target audience.

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<v Speaker 4>I watched TGIF every Friday, you know, and as as

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<v Speaker 4>you kids don't realize, right, dinner had to be done right,

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<v Speaker 4>you had to have your bathroom break, and then it

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<v Speaker 4>was taking half time and the only you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>only off time was in between the shows. So it

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<v Speaker 4>was it was a fixture in my childhood, the way

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<v Speaker 4>it was for so many people. And then when I

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<v Speaker 4>had my first baby, I rediscovered all of you. I

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<v Speaker 4>I in those you know, three am feedings where you're like,

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<v Speaker 4>how on earth am I going to stay awake? Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>I was flipping channels and it was like, oh, I'll

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<v Speaker 4>revisit the Tanners, you know. So and now, of course,

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<v Speaker 4>my daughters are eight and twelve and they are obsessed

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<v Speaker 4>with full and Fuller. So you all have been a

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<v Speaker 4>part of my life via my TV forever since the eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so great, Like You've just been preparing your whole

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<v Speaker 1>life and now you have two little super fans at

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<v Speaker 1>home too, so they have kids there, gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>introduce uh your grandchildren to full House.

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<v Speaker 4>And now Aby is my Joey McIntyre. I think I

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<v Speaker 4>joked to the pitch right that was so great? I

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<v Speaker 4>don't can I can I text her how to write?

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<v Speaker 2>Remember Abe? Like I said, I know you have people

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<v Speaker 2>who know who you are.

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<v Speaker 1>To I know. I was so flattered when you said that.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, really, oh no, you know, Rennie, you

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<v Speaker 1>can you text me anytime like whatever? If you haven't

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<v Speaker 1>saw me at three am, just text me. I'll be like,

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<v Speaker 1>hey me too. Let's talk about right.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you'll be like, hold on, I'm bird watching in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of the night.

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<v Speaker 1>There's owls.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me slip.

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<v Speaker 4>Outside watch on live stream.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So take us back to I mean, I know

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<v Speaker 1>you have a varied history with John Stamos and and

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Saggett. You met them before Fuller House came back

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<v Speaker 1>into existence, but kind of set us up for how

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<v Speaker 1>you pitched the cover story for full the Fuller House,

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<v Speaker 1>how you got the exclusive bring us back? Tell us

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<v Speaker 1>exactly how that happened.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so my whole career at People, I really I

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<v Speaker 4>set myself up as the full house beat reporter because

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<v Speaker 4>I started right after I graduated college in two thousand

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<v Speaker 4>and two and had, you know, loved you guys growing

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<v Speaker 4>up and wanted to cover whatever all of the cast

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<v Speaker 4>members were doing after the fact. So that's how I

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<v Speaker 4>met a lot of you over the years, and so

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<v Speaker 4>being the full house beat reporter, it only made sense

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<v Speaker 4>when there was buzz about, you know, a spinoff to

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<v Speaker 4>put me on it. So I want to say this

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<v Speaker 4>was twenty fifteen ish mine to do a story on

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<v Speaker 4>Laurie Laughlin and her daughters, not related to Fuller, and

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<v Speaker 4>while I was in LA I was living in New

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<v Speaker 4>York at the time. We also made it like a

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<v Speaker 4>pitch mission for me, and I met with Netflix and

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<v Speaker 4>WB to sell them on People being the only outlet,

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<v Speaker 4>you know at the taping of the first episode, and

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<v Speaker 4>I love to interview people. I'm a writer, I'm a

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<v Speaker 4>homebody and an introvert. I am not a salesperson. However,

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<v Speaker 4>when it came to my favorite show, it was very

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<v Speaker 4>natural to pitch my magazine and myself as you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the outlet and the person who should cover it. And

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I talk a lot at schools about my

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<v Speaker 4>work as an author, and I end up telling them

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<v Speaker 4>that story because as soon as I put a picture

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<v Speaker 4>on screen of your cast, everybody thinks, I, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm worth listening to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Up street cred now right right?

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<v Speaker 4>And so I tell them, you know, in those pitches,

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<v Speaker 4>and I've just let my real enthusiasm, my authentic enthusiasm

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<v Speaker 4>for the show come through. And I think that's what

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<v Speaker 4>did it? I mean, who doesn't want to align with

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<v Speaker 4>somebody who is so excited about a project or about actors.

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<v Speaker 4>So I actually think it really worked to my advantage.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, getting out to the set and being

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<v Speaker 4>part of all that, My gosh, it was like a

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<v Speaker 4>lifetime ago now, and yet right I can't believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh it's ten years ago. I'm just ten years? What

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<v Speaker 2>ten out of that?

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<v Speaker 1>That's crazy? Were I? And that was an overwhelming week

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<v Speaker 1>for me? So I barely remember meeting you, no offense,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was just a crazy week. I do remember

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<v Speaker 1>the group cast picture that we took set dressed in

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<v Speaker 1>our costume, and you snuck in for one of those photos.

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<v Speaker 1>So were you there the whole week. Were you there

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<v Speaker 1>just on tape days? Tell us about that week.

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<v Speaker 4>It was two days. It was the do you call

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<v Speaker 4>it like a blocking day?

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<v Speaker 3>The day before, oh, like our pre tape day, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>tape Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So I was there for that and then the tape day,

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<v Speaker 4>and then the next day I met the three of

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<v Speaker 4>you with Candae at that Santa Monica hotel that's like

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<v Speaker 4>right on the water, looks like a castle. Yeah, yes, yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>so it was. It was the best three days. And

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<v Speaker 4>I remember after the taping going back to my hotel

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<v Speaker 4>room and like doing a little dance because you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I had to be professional the whole time.

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<v Speaker 2>I was right like, no, you didn't, No, you really didn't,

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<v Speaker 2>not for not on our set. That was that's not

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<v Speaker 2>a requirement, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, But you know, I let the inner fan girl

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<v Speaker 4>out and I probably said out loud, you know, talking

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<v Speaker 4>to myself, like I can leave people now, like there's

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<v Speaker 4>nothing left for me to do. What could I wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to do more than this? So it was a very

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<v Speaker 4>special assignment and actually probably the beginning of deciding to

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<v Speaker 4>go out on my own and write books and be

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<v Speaker 4>an editor and a book collaborator and amazing so good

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<v Speaker 4>turning points.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I still have that People cover hanging up here

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<v Speaker 3>in my office right behind me. I just it's such

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<v Speaker 3>a great picture of everybody. Yeah, I have kept it

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<v Speaker 3>hanging up there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh. That was so exciting for us to be on

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<v Speaker 1>the cover of People, right, we were so excited to

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<v Speaker 1>finally get a cover. Yeah, tell us about that first

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<v Speaker 1>that tape night when we were doing the live audience

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<v Speaker 1>show for the taping. What where were you sitting? What

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<v Speaker 1>was what were the vibe like? Were people whispering? Like?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>Tell us about the atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I don't know that I've ever been in

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<v Speaker 4>a room, in a space with that much excitement. I

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<v Speaker 4>was in the bleachers where the whole audience sits okay,

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<v Speaker 4>And I actually, thanks to Aby, have been working on

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<v Speaker 4>Jeff's upcoming book. And he writes about the book that

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<v Speaker 4>the applause that happened when the curtain first came up

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<v Speaker 4>and it was just the set. None of you had

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<v Speaker 4>made your entrances yet, just the set. It was like

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<v Speaker 4>four minutes straight, me and all of us. It was

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<v Speaker 4>just such a visceral emotional reaction, like here's this living

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<v Speaker 4>room that we all kind of grew up in too,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's back there back so Jeff writes in the book,

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<v Speaker 4>such a funny turn of phrase. He was like, it

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<v Speaker 4>lasted four minutes, and they were applauding furniture.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, exactly, the couch. And it's true the couch

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<v Speaker 2>needed its own title card, right.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember John Stamo said that that first Netflix preview

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<v Speaker 4>where they panned through the set made him cry. So

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<v Speaker 4>it's something about that that furniture. You guys, anyway, as

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<v Speaker 4>you all you know, came out for the first time,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean that alone probably took an hour, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>because you had to write applause for each person, just

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<v Speaker 4>the way the jokes landed, and being in a room

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<v Speaker 4>of people who all, I mean, it feels like we

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<v Speaker 4>wanted it as much as you all did, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>So just to be a part of that energy, it

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<v Speaker 4>was just the most the most special night.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it really was.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm so glad that you got to like see

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<v Speaker 3>that and be there for it because it really was

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<v Speaker 3>like just an incredible energy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's so cool to hear your perspective because

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<v Speaker 1>we've talked to each other about that night and some

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<v Speaker 1>crew members, but we've never talked to somebody who was

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<v Speaker 1>in the audience. As a fan, you know, that's so

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<v Speaker 1>cool to get your perspective.

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<v Speaker 4>And as a reporter, you know, you all talk about

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<v Speaker 4>how much you love each other, so that's you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's obvious to see. You know, it's obvious when you

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<v Speaker 4>hear it as a fan, but to really see it,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, like when you're in those bleachers, you're looking

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<v Speaker 4>at the set that they're filming at the moment, right,

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<v Speaker 4>there's other sets that you can see. And then you

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<v Speaker 4>can also see when actors are sort of just telling

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<v Speaker 4>the fans this not you too. Oh yeah, you can

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<v Speaker 4>see like two actors off in the corner like kind

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<v Speaker 4>of chatting while the whole thing's happening. And so to

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<v Speaker 4>actually see it, to see the love and to see

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<v Speaker 4>you know, these great friends of so many decades hanging

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<v Speaker 4>out with each other, it was just, you know, as

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<v Speaker 4>a fan first before a reporter, it was like, it's true. Really,

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<v Speaker 4>it was so special to see.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, it's yeah, we can't we can't get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of each other. We love each other too much. It's

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<v Speaker 1>so true.

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<v Speaker 3>Seriously that yeah, I'm just singing back to that first

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<v Speaker 3>night though, Like how exciting it was and how Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we all.

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<v Speaker 2>Felt like, well, i'll 's speak for myself. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>what have we done? Like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just like this moment of like, oh wow,

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<v Speaker 3>oh boy, yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>How often are you sharing a space with people and

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<v Speaker 4>everyone and those hundreds of people in the room and

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<v Speaker 4>everyone wanted this so badly and now it's happening, right, yea,

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<v Speaker 4>Danny and Jesse are right there in the kitchen like

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<v Speaker 4>it just.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so cool. I remember feeling very nervous because I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't memorized lines and decades my script.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't do this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm sure Jody and I were hanging on to

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<v Speaker 1>our scripts, our binkies as we call that, right, binkis

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<v Speaker 1>that we can't let go of.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. We were probably just looking for what drawer.

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<v Speaker 3>Bob hid his end so that we could glance at

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<v Speaker 3>it while we were in a scene.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh and Jody, your younger daughter was like the star

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<v Speaker 4>of the bleachers. Oh that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>B got up and sang that.

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<v Speaker 4>Night, singing yep, yep, yep. John like did a little

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<v Speaker 4>interview with her.

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<v Speaker 2>It was yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, she was fans with us.

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<v Speaker 2>She's very shy as you can tell.

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<v Speaker 3>It's unfortunate she didn't at any of my enthusiasm or

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<v Speaker 3>love of performance. So yeah, yeah, we're trying to bring

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<v Speaker 3>her out of Michelle. You know, no, I do I

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<v Speaker 3>remember that though. I have actually a great picture of that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm standing there cheering her on and she's singing in

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<v Speaker 3>the in the audience, and you can see video village

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<v Speaker 3>behind me, and you see Bob Boyette who's not looking

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<v Speaker 3>at be but who's looking at me. Oh, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>a really like he's like looking like this, and he

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<v Speaker 3>came over to me at the end and he said

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<v Speaker 3>it like it was like seeing you all over again,

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<v Speaker 3>and it really brought me back. So yeah, that was

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<v Speaker 3>I have a really wonderful photo of that moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's so special, very full circle moment. Ye,

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<v Speaker 1>right special. Who were you most nervous to interview of

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<v Speaker 1>the whole cast?

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<v Speaker 4>Good question, Probably Candice, only because she was the only

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<v Speaker 4>one I hadn't met up to them come and what

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<v Speaker 4>ended up happening, excuse me with you all is that

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<v Speaker 4>I interviewed a lot of you at the very beginning

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<v Speaker 4>of my career and thought this is so easy. Celebrities

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<v Speaker 4>aren't the us and I mean everybody, just each one

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<v Speaker 4>of you more than the next. Was so welcoming and

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<v Speaker 4>warm and made my job easy that I thought, this

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<v Speaker 4>is celebrities just like you two talk about. You thought

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<v Speaker 4>that your set was all sets right then. I out

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<v Speaker 4>there in the world as a people reporter, and not

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<v Speaker 4>every celebrity is as lovely as you all. I knew

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<v Speaker 4>that Kantus would be just as lovely, and she was.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, I think the nerves were just there because

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<v Speaker 4>she was the only one of the crew who I

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<v Speaker 4>hadn't met before and lo and behold, she's just like

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<v Speaker 4>the rest of you and couldn't have made my job

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<v Speaker 4>easier or more fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's so great.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say.

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<v Speaker 3>The hardest job of interviewing the cast, particularly when Bob

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<v Speaker 3>was with us, was just trying to wrangle and corral

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<v Speaker 3>us into a coherent answer. I'm sure that there was

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of questions asked that never got answered and

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<v Speaker 3>got completely sidetracked, and uh, you know, that was probably

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<v Speaker 3>the hardest part of interviewing the cast of Full House

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<v Speaker 3>is keeping us on track well.

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<v Speaker 4>On the set of Fuller for those two days. My

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<v Speaker 4>strategy actually having seen this was to separate the.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys, and oh, yeah, you have to.

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<v Speaker 3>They can't be They're like like kids in a classroom

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<v Speaker 3>where you're like, you guys can't sit next to each other.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, the three women you were easy to speak with

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<v Speaker 4>as a group. You played off each other easy. Those

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<v Speaker 4>guys forget it. I think I knew that going in

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<v Speaker 4>like this is going to be a one on one.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of smart Yes, you had done your homework, you

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<v Speaker 1>knew what hit me right, yeah, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, And to that end. One time that I interviewed

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<v Speaker 4>Bob a couple of years before Fuller came to be,

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<v Speaker 4>I saw that distraction in real life, but in the

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<v Speaker 4>sweetest way promoting his memoir. And so I met him

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<v Speaker 4>at a bookstore in DC, where I was living at

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<v Speaker 4>the time, and we're in the back room to do

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<v Speaker 4>the interview. He has yet to go out and meet

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<v Speaker 4>the fans and sign books and stuff like that, and

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<v Speaker 4>there's a landline ringing incessantly in the back room with us,

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<v Speaker 4>and we're doing our best to ignore it, like an

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<v Speaker 4>employee's going to come answer it. Nobody did. So Bob

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<v Speaker 4>took it upon.

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<v Speaker 3>Himself and loves to answer a phone that he's not

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to do. He's done that many many times.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought he was going to do a bit. He

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<v Speaker 4>was just Bob, and he was trying to help the

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<v Speaker 4>caller on the other end of the line find the

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<v Speaker 4>book that they were looking for, which was not Bob's book.

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<v Speaker 4>And then a manager someone comes in and they were

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<v Speaker 4>horrified that Bob had to answer their phone, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right, You're like, I'm trying, really, I just.

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<v Speaker 4>Was it about right right? And he hung up and

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<v Speaker 4>he goes, well, I just wanted to help. It was

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<v Speaker 4>so sweet and sincere.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he's so Bobs.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know for sure he did, but after the interview,

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<v Speaker 4>I think my sitter might have called my babysitter and

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<v Speaker 4>I like muted it real quick, and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, my eighteen month old is home with the babysitter.

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<v Speaker 4>And the way he lit up and just wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>talk about my toddler and his girls, right, I mean

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<v Speaker 4>it was you know, I'd interviewed hundreds of actors and

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<v Speaker 4>stars to that point, and it was just so striking

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<v Speaker 4>that he wanted to have an actual conversation about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and daughters, Like I got.

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<v Speaker 4>A glimpse of that incredible kindness that you all talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh thanks, it's yeah, he's just the best. We love

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<v Speaker 1>him and miss him, and we talk about him all

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<v Speaker 1>the time when we're together.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so crazy though, all of the sort of like

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<v Speaker 3>you were talking about interviewing Bob and you know, working

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<v Speaker 3>on Jeff's book and having met John and I mean

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<v Speaker 3>you worked on the cover story for People when Zoe

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<v Speaker 3>was born, you know, so you and I had met

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<v Speaker 3>years earlier. Like there was a lot it was so

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<v Speaker 3>nice to have you there, like you said, because not

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<v Speaker 3>only were you a fan, but you were familiar to

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of us. It was like we knew that

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<v Speaker 3>you were just as excited to be there as we were.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh that's so nice to hear. Yeah. You know, as

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<v Speaker 4>a baby reporter, you kind of feel like I have

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<v Speaker 4>to be a professional and I can't be a fangirl.

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<v Speaker 4>But I mean as an author now, not that I

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<v Speaker 4>hear from a lot of fans, but when I do,

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<v Speaker 4>there's no better feeling, you know, So I'm sure your

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<v Speaker 4>end of things to have a reporter who's invested in

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<v Speaker 4>your work and really enjoys your work and wants to

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<v Speaker 4>see what you're going to do next, Like why you know,

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<v Speaker 4>looking back, why wouldn't that be a good thing?

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<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, well, how do you prepare for a celebrity interview?

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<v Speaker 1>What goes into that? How do you prep? How many

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<v Speaker 1>questions do you prepare? Tell us a little bit about.

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<v Speaker 4>That, so as you do. I'm sure have noticed because

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<v Speaker 4>I listened to your podcast all the time and your

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<v Speaker 4>great interviewers. I think that the really good stuff comes

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<v Speaker 4>out of the follow up questions. You know, So you

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<v Speaker 4>go into an interview, certainly with a list of questions,

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<v Speaker 4>but as you're chatting, you're actually engaged in that conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>You know something that the that the person says is

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<v Speaker 4>going to spark a new question in your mind, And

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<v Speaker 4>I find I end up finding that that's where the

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<v Speaker 4>really good stuff is. So making it a real conversation

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<v Speaker 4>and not just I have to get through my list

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<v Speaker 4>of questions helps a lot. And prep work does too.

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<v Speaker 4>You know. It's one thing when you grow up with

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<v Speaker 4>a show and you were a teenager when you could

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<v Speaker 4>like read the magazines about those people, like then you've

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<v Speaker 4>got the background down pat But over the years of people.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I interviewed plenty of people who I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>really know, but I would go home after work and

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<v Speaker 4>watch their movies or listen to their music. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>it was kind of unbelievable sometimes that I was getting

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<v Speaker 4>paid for this, you know, because I would just dig

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<v Speaker 4>into what they did and kind of get to know

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<v Speaker 4>them before I even met them.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so fun, Like talk about a blending of art

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<v Speaker 1>and life and hearts and every.

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<v Speaker 4>Totally, totally, I felt like the luckiest twenty two year

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<v Speaker 4>old to land that job on.

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<v Speaker 1>The I'm trying to figure out how to phrase this

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<v Speaker 1>question because I know people are going to want to

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<v Speaker 1>know who is the most difficult celebrity you interviewed. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to ask that, but is there.

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<v Speaker 2>A way you can talk about it? I'm just kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, without naming names, can you tell us about

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<v Speaker 1>like a difficult interaction or what makes for a difficult interview?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it when they show too much?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 4>I got to say, maybe I wasn't a great celebrity

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<v Speaker 4>interviewer because you know, I never wanted to push to

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<v Speaker 4>get the dirt, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, as a reader and a fan, I would love

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<v Speaker 4>to feel like I'm getting to know the person right,

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<v Speaker 4>So in my interviews, that's what I want to kind

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<v Speaker 4>of get to, like who are you beyond the character?

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<v Speaker 4>Who I know?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 4>I left that to the reporters who are better at

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<v Speaker 4>digging up the dirt. So I didn't have a ton

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<v Speaker 4>of tough experiences because I wasn't the one as signed

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<v Speaker 4>to be like finding out about how the marriage broke up.

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<v Speaker 1>Or anything right right, right right.

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<v Speaker 4>But I did have one terrible experience with a very

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<v Speaker 4>very famous person who I will tell you privately. I

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<v Speaker 4>will not name them on the show, but she was

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<v Speaker 4>on an extremely popular TV series and I had been

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<v Speaker 4>on the job at People for all of two weeks.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean it was pluck me out of my college

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<v Speaker 4>dorm room and I'm on the job, and I met

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<v Speaker 4>her on the red carpet and she didn't give me

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<v Speaker 4>anything I needed. Again, not pushing for no personal stories, no,

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<v Speaker 4>like children really like benign stuff, and celebrities know as

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<v Speaker 4>much as reporters know what we need. Right, I need

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<v Speaker 4>a sound.

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<v Speaker 3>Bite, of course, it's a right word. It's a you

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<v Speaker 3>scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. I'll give you a

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<v Speaker 3>little moment, a quick funny lip.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, thirty seconds right exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly on each other to get SoundBite, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>And this was two thousand and two, so people really

0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:02.120
<v Speaker 4>were going to celebrity weeklies were Yeah, even if it's

0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:06.440
<v Speaker 4>just a funny line. So what, you know, what she's wearing,

0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:10.359
<v Speaker 4>what was going on in her TV series at the time. Nothing.

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<v Speaker 4>She gives me nothing. So we go into the event,

0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:16.080
<v Speaker 4>which was a TV industry event. It wasn't like the

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<v Speaker 4>met Gala, you know, there was reporters everywhere. I asked

0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:22.159
<v Speaker 4>the publicist if I could continue speaking to her. The

0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:25.000
<v Speaker 4>publicist said sure, it brought me over. She takes one

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<v Speaker 4>look at me from her table, does like the up

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<v Speaker 4>and down like this, rolls her eyes and says, didn't

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<v Speaker 4>I talk to you already? And this was an actress

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<v Speaker 4>who I loved. So that's like a punch in the gut,

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<v Speaker 4>you know. So I'm stumbling and bumbling and just explaining

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<v Speaker 4>that I need a cute quote to bring to my editor, please,

0:22:44.800 --> 0:22:48.320
<v Speaker 4>you know. She gives me nothing again. And now I'm contemplating, like,

0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:50.040
<v Speaker 4>how am I going to get to the bathroom to

0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:51.520
<v Speaker 4>cry without anyone?

0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:53.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:56.919
<v Speaker 4>I turn around and the publicist has John Stewart for me,

0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:00.560
<v Speaker 4>and that was a lovely interaction. And right after him

0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:04.200
<v Speaker 4>was Oprah Winfrey, who couldn't have been kinder and more

0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:06.800
<v Speaker 4>lovely to me. And I am a baby on the

0:23:06.880 --> 0:23:10.040
<v Speaker 4>job here right like we're right. So I think that

0:23:10.040 --> 0:23:14.560
<v Speaker 4>that pretty much encapsulates my people experience in general, because

0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:18.040
<v Speaker 4>every now and again there was a tough situation right

0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:20.840
<v Speaker 4>that outweighed the bad bye a mile.

0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:24.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh good. I'm glad you had that immediate distraction to

0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:26.399
<v Speaker 1>stop the tears and write.

0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:30.359
<v Speaker 4>Otherwise I would have been crying in John Stewart's arms.

0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:32.600
<v Speaker 3>Which isn't That's also not a terrible thing, you know

0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:34.720
<v Speaker 3>what I mean. He's yeah, we love John Stewart.

0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he'd probably be very comforting about that. Just give

0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:40.160
<v Speaker 1>your hand again.

0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:42.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it'd be hilarious. I feel like you make

0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:43.760
<v Speaker 2>a good joke to snap you right out of it,

0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:44.040
<v Speaker 2>you know.

0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:47.440
<v Speaker 4>Oh, and speaking of Oprah, this will make you laugh.

0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:51.960
<v Speaker 4>I worked on a book with Terry Crews once and

0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:54.399
<v Speaker 4>it was all about his marriage. Was called Stronger Together.

0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:57.880
<v Speaker 4>It was an audible original, so I had pretty limited

0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:01.560
<v Speaker 4>time with him, and I remember asking something that he

0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:05.480
<v Speaker 4>like started to tear up, and then he actually started crying,

0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:08.720
<v Speaker 4>and I'm sitting in the man's living room going, I'm

0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:10.920
<v Speaker 4>Oprah Winfrey. This is amazing. I'm so good at this.

0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:15.040
<v Speaker 4>Later in the interview, he tells me about all the

0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:17.800
<v Speaker 4>therapy he's done and how is his emotions are right

0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:20.399
<v Speaker 4>at the surface, and you know, he speaks out against

0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:23.159
<v Speaker 4>toxic masculinity. And it was just so funny because he's

0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:25.000
<v Speaker 4>essentially telling me he cries all the time. And I

0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:28.160
<v Speaker 4>was like, oh, I'll take that self compliment back.

0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:32.000
<v Speaker 3>You're like, I thought I was digging deep here. He's like, no, no, no,

0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:36.199
<v Speaker 3>I'm just I love that also about him. That's kind

0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:36.879
<v Speaker 3>of amazing.

0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:41.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he was on a long list of wonderful celebrities.

0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:45.760
<v Speaker 1>That's all. Well, And speaking of wonderful celebrities, we know

0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:48.520
<v Speaker 1>how much you love John Stamos, and you met John

0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:52.440
<v Speaker 1>before Fuller House a few years ago. Tell us about

0:24:52.440 --> 0:24:54.920
<v Speaker 1>the first time you met John A dream come true?

0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:58.280
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure, yeah, yeah. I think I saw him in

0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:02.600
<v Speaker 4>cabaret in college, right, which was, you know, a total

0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:05.720
<v Speaker 4>fangirl experience. How do you not love that? You know,

0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:07.520
<v Speaker 4>in New York after a Broadway show, you go to

0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:10.439
<v Speaker 4>the stage door, you know, for an autograph and couldn't

0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:14.280
<v Speaker 4>have been kinder. And then my first interview with him

0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:17.240
<v Speaker 4>for people was a few years later. Was either another

0:25:17.280 --> 0:25:20.560
<v Speaker 4>Broadway show or maybe a TV show that he was on.

0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:25.480
<v Speaker 4>I can't remember, because he totally derailed the interview for

0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:29.800
<v Speaker 4>me before it even got started. His publicist or manager

0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:34.560
<v Speaker 4>someone probably referred to me as he the name Rennie,

0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:37.919
<v Speaker 4>maybe being a little bit like ambiguous as to do so.

0:25:38.000 --> 0:25:42.000
<v Speaker 4>He was expecting a male reporter. So he called my

0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:45.040
<v Speaker 4>office number and I pick up and there's this pause,

0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:48.560
<v Speaker 4>and I'm like, are we disconnected? You know? And then

0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:53.239
<v Speaker 4>he says to me, are you you're a girl? I

0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:57.840
<v Speaker 4>was like yes. He said, oh, sorry, my my manager,

0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:00.760
<v Speaker 4>my publicist or whatever told me you were a guy.

0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:03.480
<v Speaker 4>And he pauses and then he goes, Rennie's a hot

0:26:03.560 --> 0:26:08.600
<v Speaker 4>nam for a girl. Just about exploded in that little

0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:12.520
<v Speaker 4>office and he took away all of that professionalism and

0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:16.879
<v Speaker 4>just like a giggling mess. He derailed the interview before

0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:17.959
<v Speaker 4>it even got started.

0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:20.240
<v Speaker 1>Amazing he has that effect on people.

0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:24.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no, but he I've interviewed him for lots of

0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:28.680
<v Speaker 4>projects over the years. I have a funny Netflix story

0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 4>about him if you have time for it.

0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh oh yeah, we got all the time.

0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:32.000
<v Speaker 2>We got time.

0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:36.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah. So I interviewed him a bunch about different projects.

0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:38.720
<v Speaker 4>But then I got a really fun assignment one day

0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:42.639
<v Speaker 4>when Netflix and John decided to go in on this

0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:48.399
<v Speaker 4>April Fool's joke. Might even remember this. Netflix pretended to

0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:52.880
<v Speaker 4>make this documentary docuseries about him that was like took

0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:57.359
<v Speaker 4>itself very seriously, yes, all about Stamoss, right, and so

0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:01.440
<v Speaker 4>he is in on this joke where then they say,

0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:05.520
<v Speaker 4>April Fools, this isn't real, and there's footage of him,

0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:08.000
<v Speaker 4>like like cell phone footage of him storming into the

0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:11.960
<v Speaker 4>Netflix office and saying, how could you do this to me?

0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:15.679
<v Speaker 4>You're you're diminishing my brand, the Stamos brand. And so

0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:18.359
<v Speaker 4>since people is in on this as well, I had

0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:22.200
<v Speaker 4>a story ready to go about this incident that was captured, right,

0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:25.000
<v Speaker 4>so funny and so much fun because we're, you know,

0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:29.280
<v Speaker 4>we're interacting audience about this terrible behavior from Stamos. And

0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:33.280
<v Speaker 4>then I tweeted it, dating myself this whole interview. I

0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:37.159
<v Speaker 4>tweeted it because this is many years ago, and I

0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 4>said something like from my personal account, like I'll always

0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:43.440
<v Speaker 4>be a John Stamos fan, but this kind of behavior

0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:47.120
<v Speaker 4>is just embarrassing, you know, And he tweets me publicly

0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:52.399
<v Speaker 4>f off off and he spelled out the F and

0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:54.600
<v Speaker 4>I was like, this is the greatest thing ever.

0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:57.720
<v Speaker 2>Right Twitter beef, Yeah, you know.

0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:01.840
<v Speaker 4>And then of course we revealed to readers that everybody's

0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:05.919
<v Speaker 4>in on the joke, you know, Hilary's Yeah, that was

0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:08.439
<v Speaker 4>very funny. And then he gave me a tour of

0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:12.080
<v Speaker 4>the set on the Fuller House business, yeah and round

0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:16.000
<v Speaker 4>things out and you all have really long days on set.

0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:19.720
<v Speaker 4>I didn't realize so he had been there. I don't

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:21.360
<v Speaker 4>want to know how many hours. It was the end

0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:23.320
<v Speaker 4>of the day and he was like, you want to

0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:25.800
<v Speaker 4>come on, I'll take you on a tour, and it

0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:27.919
<v Speaker 4>was amazing. We went to every room. I learned like

0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:31.199
<v Speaker 4>the little backstories. He almost stole the prop for me,

0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 4>but as I understand it, that's kind of frowned upon.

0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:38.080
<v Speaker 3>So only you go, what prop were you going to steal?

0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:40.200
<v Speaker 4>I wanted the duck head from the kitchen.

0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:45.120
<v Speaker 2>Yes, oh yeah, yeah, the cookie it's not in my office.

0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:48.800
<v Speaker 1>John has took that. Yeah, somebody did John, It wasn't me.

0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:50.200
<v Speaker 2>He did want that at the end of the show,

0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:52.120
<v Speaker 2>and you were like, where's that duck? Yeah, duck was

0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:53.760
<v Speaker 2>missing anybody out there?

0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:57.080
<v Speaker 4>So it was too soon. I get that, I understand.

0:28:57.160 --> 0:28:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you had to wait till the end of

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:01.680
<v Speaker 1>the season. It was like a flea market. Everybody watched

0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 1>the stage on that for.

0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:03.320
<v Speaker 2>The last show.

0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:06.080
<v Speaker 3>If everyone did it at once, they couldn't stop us.

0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:09.800
<v Speaker 1>You know, that's so great.

0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:13.120
<v Speaker 3>Now you've worked with Andrea and Jeff on both of

0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:17.200
<v Speaker 3>their memoirs. What was that experience like for you? I mean,

0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:19.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, obviously you're a full house fan, but what

0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:22.840
<v Speaker 3>was it like getting to work with them on things

0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:27.280
<v Speaker 3>that were much more personal and not just full house specific?

0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:31.000
<v Speaker 4>You know, sure, sure, Well, I started ghost writing in

0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:32.720
<v Speaker 4>two thousand and eight, so had done a bunch of

0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:35.920
<v Speaker 4>books before this and realized that it's really what I

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:38.440
<v Speaker 4>wanted to do, and it's what I ultimately transitioned to.

0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:42.160
<v Speaker 4>So with Andrea, you know, we met at that hotel

0:29:42.160 --> 0:29:46.560
<v Speaker 4>in Santa Monica, and I remember seeing her. She arrived first,

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:49.360
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, is that her? Like I couldn't

0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:52.480
<v Speaker 4>tell one hundred percent, and not just because she wasn't

0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:56.520
<v Speaker 4>wearing the fried eggs on the scarf. It wasn't about

0:29:56.640 --> 0:30:01.360
<v Speaker 4>Kimmy Gibler hair and makeup. It's the way carries herself.

0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:05.200
<v Speaker 4>She's just an entirely different human And I was like,

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:06.880
<v Speaker 4>is it her, I'm going to take a chance, And

0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:09.200
<v Speaker 4>it was her. And I was just so struck by

0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:13.840
<v Speaker 4>her story of child stardom, decades off being a quote

0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:18.959
<v Speaker 4>unquote normal person and then back to stardom. So I

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:22.360
<v Speaker 4>was thrilled when I talked to her people and they

0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:24.560
<v Speaker 4>said that she was in fact interested in writing a book.

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:28.680
<v Speaker 4>And you know, I think over the process I did

0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:32.440
<v Speaker 4>become like less fan and more regular person, right, I

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 4>mean at her kitchen table with her sweet doggie and

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 4>listening kids on the block, you know, as we brainstormed

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:44.840
<v Speaker 4>like it doesn't get much better than that. And then

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:48.960
<v Speaker 4>Andrea was nice enough to refer me to Jeff when

0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:53.360
<v Speaker 4>he was and is working on his memoir, and that

0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:57.240
<v Speaker 4>one of the most striking things to me about his book.

0:30:57.640 --> 0:30:59.360
<v Speaker 4>And he didn't believe me on this, but I think

0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:02.440
<v Speaker 4>you too will. The stories that are not about Full

0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:05.760
<v Speaker 4>House are some of the best parts of that book.

0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh, absolutely right. I Mean that's the thing is once

0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:10.000
<v Speaker 2>do you know Jeff and how.

0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 3>Long he's been in this business and what he's done

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:14.640
<v Speaker 3>and what you know, like you'll just pop off with

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:16.200
<v Speaker 3>stories and you're like, oh my god, that's where you've

0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:16.920
<v Speaker 3>been doing this.

0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:19.080
<v Speaker 2>Forever since you were you were a baby, and you

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 2>sort of.

0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 3>Happened into amazing circumstances over and over, you know, and

0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:26.040
<v Speaker 3>you have all.

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:28.360
<v Speaker 2>Of this amazing life story.

0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:32.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah, and he's so modest, you know that he

0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:36.280
<v Speaker 4>totally waived me. It's not that interesting. It's beyond I mean,

0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:38.360
<v Speaker 4>I don't I honestly don't think I ever saw an

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:41.200
<v Speaker 4>episode of Laverne and Shirley. But his storytelling is so

0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:44.800
<v Speaker 4>good it becomes so invested in this book in like

0:31:45.280 --> 0:31:48.680
<v Speaker 4>young Jeff as Yeah, it's called him and his you know,

0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 4>trials and tribulations on Laverne and Shirley and Buzz and

0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:54.160
<v Speaker 4>Buddies and these shows that I'm not even familiar with,

0:31:54.240 --> 0:31:57.040
<v Speaker 4>but now I want to go back and watch so

0:31:57.040 --> 0:32:01.120
<v Speaker 4>so learning about you know, the man the name on

0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:04.360
<v Speaker 4>the TV screen was so exciting, and he really is.

0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:08.680
<v Speaker 4>He's just as kind as you all have said. He

0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:12.960
<v Speaker 4>called me once either ahead of or late for our meeting,

0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:15.400
<v Speaker 4>so I wasn't expecting it. I'm in the car. My

0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:17.040
<v Speaker 4>eight year old is sitting next to me, and his

0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:19.640
<v Speaker 4>name pops up, you know, on the screen, and her

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 4>jaw drops open, like she has seen me with in

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 4>photos with all of you, and like that's cool, you know,

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:28.400
<v Speaker 4>that's fine, mom whatever. Seeing Jess's name in our car,

0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 4>she like went banana. She couldn't believe it, And so

0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:33.120
<v Speaker 4>I answered and we were laughing.

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:35.800
<v Speaker 3>I love that she was name recognition just reading it

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:37.040
<v Speaker 3>was like, I know that guy.

0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:39.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, amazing, Jeff, I'm gonna have to call you back.

0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:42.840
<v Speaker 4>My daughter is sitting here completely starstruck that Jeff Franklin

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:47.160
<v Speaker 4>called me and he was laughing, and she goes, his

0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 4>name is on my TV every day.

0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:52.120
<v Speaker 2>That's so cute.

0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 1>He's like the Wizard of Awe. It's like meeting the

0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Wizard of Awe. You're like, oh my gosh, the man

0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:57.440
<v Speaker 1>behind the show. It's so cool.

0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:01.120
<v Speaker 4>And as a writer, you know, it was not intimidating

0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:04.239
<v Speaker 4>because he's so so kind, but it was. It was

0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:07.600
<v Speaker 4>amazing to get to meet the brains behind, you know,

0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 4>a show I loved so much and a writer who

0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:13.600
<v Speaker 4>I who I respect so much. So yeah, I mean,

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:17.200
<v Speaker 4>as a reporter, as a fan, like live in the

0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:19.640
<v Speaker 4>dream to be able to, you know, go deeper and

0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 4>collaborate on something as special as bringing a book into

0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:23.000
<v Speaker 4>the world.

0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:32.640
<v Speaker 1>I knew you'd be the perfect fit because Jeff, when

0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 1>he started writing this book years ago, he kept coming

0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 1>to me for advice, like, how do you put together

0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:39.920
<v Speaker 1>a book proposal? What goes into it? How do you

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:43.480
<v Speaker 1>talk to publishers? And I'm like, okay, I've published one book,

0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Jeff one, and it was because of Rennie.

0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 2>Like you made a literary agent or something. I don't

0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 2>talk to me because I think you need someone who

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:51.120
<v Speaker 2>knows things.

0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:53.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm like, you need Rennie. And he's like, well,

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:54.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to ghost writer. And I said, no,

0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:56.440
<v Speaker 1>I didn't. I didn't want to ghost writer either. But

0:33:56.480 --> 0:34:00.440
<v Speaker 1>she's more like, I love that you call yourself a

0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 1>book doctor because you're not writing the books for us,

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:06.000
<v Speaker 1>but you're kind of like helping us tetris it into

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:09.799
<v Speaker 1>something coherent, right, and teaching. I learned so much just

0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:12.439
<v Speaker 1>about the publishing world, and yeah, how do you pitch

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:14.440
<v Speaker 1>a book? How do you put together a proposal? There's

0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:16.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot that goes into it.

0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:17.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, almost more work.

0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:20.440
<v Speaker 1>Goes into the proposal than the actual book, so truly.

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:23.960
<v Speaker 4>It's part Yeah. I mean, writing a book is an

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 4>incredible feat and a creative endeavor. Publishing a book is

0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:31.400
<v Speaker 4>a business, and so a lot of people you know,

0:34:31.480 --> 0:34:34.200
<v Speaker 4>appreciate help that way. And I just love to be

0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:37.239
<v Speaker 4>part of a book's process, you know, however I can,

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:41.680
<v Speaker 4>whether it is ghost writing or you know, book doctoring,

0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 4>architecturing something along.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh you were just You're just the best. Like

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:49.960
<v Speaker 1>you made a dream come true for me because I

0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:51.800
<v Speaker 1>don't know if I ever I've always said, oh, I

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:54.799
<v Speaker 1>want to write a book someday, but we always say

0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:56.560
<v Speaker 1>that and then do you actually like do it? But

0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:58.440
<v Speaker 1>you were the one that gave me that push. You

0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:00.200
<v Speaker 1>gave me that nudge. You're like, you have a story

0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:02.240
<v Speaker 1>and you you've got a book in you and I'm like really,

0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:04.640
<v Speaker 1>so you gave me the confidence and then you gave

0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:07.000
<v Speaker 1>me the tools. And you were just so lovely and

0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:09.719
<v Speaker 1>have such a great bedside manner, and it was just

0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:13.799
<v Speaker 1>like becoming friends, Like we became close friends during all

0:35:13.840 --> 0:35:15.800
<v Speaker 1>those months you came to my house for a weekend.

0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:17.600
<v Speaker 1>I think I dragged you to one of my kids

0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:20.480
<v Speaker 1>like soccer events or meet.

0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:27.560
<v Speaker 4>And your picture on the wall at your favorite Mexican place. Yes,

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:31.920
<v Speaker 4>what's the pairing. It's like Bill Clinton Barbara Streisan.

0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:35.120
<v Speaker 2>And it's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm right next to it.

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:37.000
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm right next to Hillary Clinton. So I'm

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:39.200
<v Speaker 1>very I'm just like, yes, exactly.

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:41.160
<v Speaker 3>Tell me if she was wearing a sombrewer with a

0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:43.000
<v Speaker 3>Cadillac Margarita.

0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 2>I know that's all I want.

0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:46.839
<v Speaker 3>It's just her and a giant hat with like a

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:49.440
<v Speaker 3>shot in one hand and a giant salt rimmed like

0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:50.439
<v Speaker 3>boat in the other.

0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that'll be the next photo right right.

0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:56.960
<v Speaker 4>Now.

0:35:57.239 --> 0:36:01.560
<v Speaker 3>You not only have like booked and ghost written other books,

0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:03.400
<v Speaker 3>but you have started writing children's books.

0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Tell us a little bit about I mean, obviously you

0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:07.760
<v Speaker 2>are a mom.

0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 3>You have kids, But tell us like what your inspiration

0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:14.600
<v Speaker 3>for writing children's books was and and how that's different

0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:19.120
<v Speaker 3>than writing like, you know, adult novel, not adult well

0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:20.040
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean.

0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:23.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, that almost went weird. Okay, I'll stop talking.

0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:26.560
<v Speaker 4>Funny enough. I am writing a romance book right now,

0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:30.399
<v Speaker 4>which is very okay. And it's funny because people will

0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:31.839
<v Speaker 4>say to me, like, how's your book going, And I'm

0:36:31.880 --> 0:36:33.920
<v Speaker 4>like the picture book or the book that is nothing

0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:35.080
<v Speaker 4>like a picture bib.

0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, two, very different the picture books, I guess.

0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:43.680
<v Speaker 4>But right, well, I started out writing an equestrian series.

0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:46.279
<v Speaker 4>I've been a horse person and a competitive a question

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:50.040
<v Speaker 4>in my whole life. And then I transitioned into picture

0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:53.200
<v Speaker 4>books because I was, you know, seeing the world through

0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:57.880
<v Speaker 4>my young girl's eyes, and I was very struck by

0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:02.200
<v Speaker 4>how early in life we are subjected to the food

0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:05.319
<v Speaker 4>police and the body police. So my first book is

0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:09.040
<v Speaker 4>called be Is for Bellies, a Celebration of Everybody, and

0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:11.640
<v Speaker 4>it's all about body acceptance and mantras for you know,

0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:15.160
<v Speaker 4>the littlest readers. And then my second picture book is

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:17.520
<v Speaker 4>called Fiona and the Peculiar.

0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Praise and I love that one, by the way, oh

0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:21.640
<v Speaker 2>thank you. And it was so cute.

0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 3>I wound up giving it to my daughter, my daughter's

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:29.000
<v Speaker 3>boyfriend's little sister, who is five, and she reads and

0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:29.799
<v Speaker 3>loved it.

0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:31.479
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, very cute.

0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:35.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm glad to hear it. I was, you know, having girls,

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:37.919
<v Speaker 4>the first thing anybody says is they're so cute, They're

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:40.359
<v Speaker 4>so beautiful. And I just happened to get into this

0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:43.160
<v Speaker 4>habit when they were really little, of saying to the

0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:46.520
<v Speaker 4>person and really to that to my girls, and you're

0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:50.759
<v Speaker 4>so smart and you're so strong because we women, we

0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:53.600
<v Speaker 4>are raised to believe that that's where our worth is

0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:56.400
<v Speaker 4>and that's what where our value is. And it's not

0:37:56.640 --> 0:37:59.719
<v Speaker 4>done with malice. It's not even intentional, right, Like you

0:37:59.800 --> 0:38:01.799
<v Speaker 4>just you hear it enough and you think, well, this

0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:05.799
<v Speaker 4>is the greatest thing about me, right, It's ingrained, right right.

0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:08.239
<v Speaker 4>So the trick in picture books if you want to

0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 4>impart a lesson is to not make it seem like

0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:13.400
<v Speaker 4>a lesson book, because who wants to read that between

0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:17.640
<v Speaker 4>kids and parents. So Fiona is a cat who goes

0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:21.000
<v Speaker 4>through the day doing all these incredible things and nobody notices.

0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:24.600
<v Speaker 4>They just call her beautiful and lovely and gorgeous. And

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:27.280
<v Speaker 4>you have to read the book to see what happens.

0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:31.680
<v Speaker 4>But takeaway is that we are more than our appearances.

0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:34.759
<v Speaker 4>And hopefully it was done in a fun way that kids.

0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Like, oh, such great messages behind your books, Like this

0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:41.799
<v Speaker 1>is so needed. I wish I still had little kids

0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:43.839
<v Speaker 1>when I have grandchildren. When I have grandchildren, these are

0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:45.520
<v Speaker 1>the first books that they read.

0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:46.319
<v Speaker 4>Things.

0:38:46.800 --> 0:38:49.240
<v Speaker 1>Is just it's so important And I was so proud

0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:52.319
<v Speaker 1>when you published Bias for bellies. I was like, oh

0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 1>my gosh, she did it like it was just such

0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:58.840
<v Speaker 1>a such a win for me too, just as your friend. Yeah, yeah, no,

0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:01.640
<v Speaker 1>it's really important work. Thank you for doing that. And

0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:05.960
<v Speaker 1>you told me one time that writing children's books is

0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:10.520
<v Speaker 1>just as difficult, maybe more so than writing regular books.

0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:14.919
<v Speaker 1>How but there's so many fewer words in a picture book,

0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:17.880
<v Speaker 1>So how is it difficult in that way?

0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:20.480
<v Speaker 4>I think it just comes down to the fewer the words,

0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:23.839
<v Speaker 4>the more every word has to count right to get

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:26.640
<v Speaker 4>it exactly right down to the letter. I mean, my

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:29.680
<v Speaker 4>Fiona book is probably six hundred words, you know, and

0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:35.360
<v Speaker 4>your books are probably sixty thousand words. So it's about

0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:38.960
<v Speaker 4>being that exacting. It's about telling a story between words,

0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:42.840
<v Speaker 4>and and I'm not the illustrator, so leaving room for

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:47.440
<v Speaker 4>the illustrator to tell part of the stories. Plus it's

0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:50.760
<v Speaker 4>just a really crowded market, you know. Yeah, people write

0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:53.160
<v Speaker 4>picture books. A lot of people think writing picture books

0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:55.600
<v Speaker 4>is easy, so there's a lot out there for agents

0:39:55.600 --> 0:39:58.759
<v Speaker 4>and editors to sort through. That's why I write romance

0:39:58.800 --> 0:40:01.400
<v Speaker 4>levels now picture books are too hard.

0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:04.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've had to move on for picture books.

0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:06.640
<v Speaker 4>It was too stressful, exactly.

0:40:07.560 --> 0:40:09.759
<v Speaker 1>Do you write the book first or do you do

0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:12.560
<v Speaker 1>the illustration? Tell us how what's the order of progression

0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:14.239
<v Speaker 1>between illustrator writer.

0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:19.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, publisher Unless it's an author illustrator, a picture book

0:40:19.680 --> 0:40:23.000
<v Speaker 4>is sold just based on the manuscript, so literally selling

0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:25.319
<v Speaker 4>a document which is tipped like two pages, you know,

0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:30.719
<v Speaker 4>and then the publisher typically picks the illustrator, you know,

0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:33.359
<v Speaker 4>someone whose style they like it, you know, it fits

0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:37.680
<v Speaker 4>into their vision. And on some books the author gets

0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:40.960
<v Speaker 4>input on the visuals, and on other books not at all,

0:40:41.680 --> 0:40:44.080
<v Speaker 4>and it just depends on the publisher. So I got

0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:47.080
<v Speaker 4>to be very involved with Fiona, which was really exciting

0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:48.399
<v Speaker 4>to get to say, Like, the.

0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:52.640
<v Speaker 2>Visuals were great on it. They were really yeah, really cute.

0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:56.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and you know, a little imposter syndrome sneaks in.

0:40:56.400 --> 0:40:58.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, I don't know what, I don't know anything

0:40:58.120 --> 0:41:02.719
<v Speaker 4>about the visuals, Okay, yeah, but I but I told

0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:05.880
<v Speaker 4>her what I was picturing, and she just brought it

0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:07.279
<v Speaker 4>to life in the most beautiful way.

0:41:07.760 --> 0:41:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's so cool. That's got to be so cool

0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:12.719
<v Speaker 1>to see the visuals, Like was it anything that you

0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:15.320
<v Speaker 1>imagined in your head or was it a completely different

0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:16.879
<v Speaker 1>take that the illustrator had on.

0:41:16.920 --> 0:41:17.279
<v Speaker 4>Oh it was.

0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:18.359
<v Speaker 3>It was.

0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:20.600
<v Speaker 4>It was pretty similar to what I saw in my head.

0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:23.960
<v Speaker 4>And she and I never spoke directly, so it was

0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:28.399
<v Speaker 4>like this wizardry right like this, So yeah, so that

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:30.080
<v Speaker 4>was a That was a super cool experience.

0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:33.480
<v Speaker 1>That's so great. That's so great. What can you share

0:41:33.480 --> 0:41:36.640
<v Speaker 1>about your upcoming work, your romance novel, any other picture

0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:38.640
<v Speaker 1>books you're writing? Can you share anything or is it

0:41:38.640 --> 0:41:39.400
<v Speaker 1>still under wraps?

0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:43.399
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Nothing, nothing yet with those, but I will tell

0:41:43.440 --> 0:41:45.960
<v Speaker 4>you I have an incredible book that I co authored

0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:50.719
<v Speaker 4>coming out in March called The ADHD Field Guide for Adults.

0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I need it.

0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:57.440
<v Speaker 3>HI on the limit an advanced copy, but I have

0:41:57.520 --> 0:41:59.080
<v Speaker 3>a raging case of add.

0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:01.800
<v Speaker 4>Well talked about it on the pod and I noticed,

0:42:01.800 --> 0:42:04.680
<v Speaker 4>since I put you on the list, She's.

0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Like, I know, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, you've been a list.

0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:12.080
<v Speaker 4>It is written by Kate Osborne and Eric Good, who

0:42:12.080 --> 0:42:16.080
<v Speaker 4>are big content creators in the ADHD space, and I

0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:19.080
<v Speaker 4>was lucky enough to kind of shepherd it along with.

0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Them and contribute to awesome.

0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:24.320
<v Speaker 4>I didn't know much about ADHD at the beginning of

0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:28.040
<v Speaker 4>the process, but oh my god, I this book is

0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:31.360
<v Speaker 4>going to help so many people. The working title for

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:34.680
<v Speaker 4>a really long time was you are not an f up?

0:42:35.120 --> 0:42:38.920
<v Speaker 4>Like yes, that like f starsky because it's such an

0:42:39.000 --> 0:42:44.480
<v Speaker 4>insidious it is. People don't like the term disorder, but

0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:49.640
<v Speaker 4>they just is part of every every part of your life.

0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:53.919
<v Speaker 4>And so we interviewed, we spoke to hundreds of people

0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:56.680
<v Speaker 4>who are fans of theirs and put their experiences in

0:42:56.719 --> 0:42:58.879
<v Speaker 4>the book too. And I just think people are going

0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:01.799
<v Speaker 4>to feel so seen reading this.

0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:05.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I can't I can't wait to uh, I can't

0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:06.439
<v Speaker 2>wait to check that out. Yeah.

0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:09.480
<v Speaker 3>I have a good friend of mine who's doing a

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:13.880
<v Speaker 3>lot of who's a therapist and has done a lot

0:43:13.920 --> 0:43:16.120
<v Speaker 3>of work with ADHD stuff, and she says, it's, you

0:43:16.120 --> 0:43:18.759
<v Speaker 3>know the thing people always say about adhds, it's not

0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:23.480
<v Speaker 3>attention deficit. You you have too much attention to everything

0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:28.560
<v Speaker 3>around you and you don't know how to like tune

0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:30.600
<v Speaker 3>all that out and do one thing at a time.

0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:33.440
<v Speaker 3>And then it just sounds like screaming noise in your

0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:36.279
<v Speaker 3>head because you can't figure out which direction to go.

0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:38.680
<v Speaker 3>And then you just yell at yourself that you're such

0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:40.839
<v Speaker 3>an idiot that you can't do anything because you don't

0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:41.560
<v Speaker 3>even you can't even.

0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:41.959
<v Speaker 2>Brush your teeth.

0:43:41.960 --> 0:43:43.560
<v Speaker 3>Look at you can't even figure out how to do

0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:45.080
<v Speaker 3>that because you have to go to the store and

0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:46.719
<v Speaker 3>you have to pick up toothpaste and you haven't done

0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:47.520
<v Speaker 3>that for two days.

0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:48.759
<v Speaker 2>That's the thing.

0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:52.520
<v Speaker 4>I had no idea, the shame element that, Oh it's awful.

0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:56.959
<v Speaker 3>So the first, the first day I took my ADHD meds,

0:43:56.960 --> 0:44:00.640
<v Speaker 3>which was I as an adult, I cried because I

0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:03.360
<v Speaker 3>did not know that my head didn't have to be

0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:07.000
<v Speaker 3>that loud wow and screaming at me and it was.

0:44:07.160 --> 0:44:08.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was life changing.

0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:11.400
<v Speaker 3>So I'm glad that people are like finally talking about it,

0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:16.359
<v Speaker 3>particularly with women we you know, and adult women who

0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:19.680
<v Speaker 3>sort of didn't get you know, we were just the chatterboxes.

0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:24.719
<v Speaker 3>We didn't necessarily get you diagnosed or helped along with it.

0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:27.600
<v Speaker 2>So that's so cool. I love it, very excited.

0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're doing good work, You're doing important work. Full

0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:35.720
<v Speaker 1>house ADHD Children's book, Like this is everything, I mean, positivity.

0:44:35.520 --> 0:44:37.560
<v Speaker 2>All three of those big fans, you know what I mean?

0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:43.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, do your girls listen to Howard Tannerito's Are they fans?

0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Will you let them listen to this episode?

0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:48.360
<v Speaker 4>This one? For sure, it's amazing. I got Louise to

0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:50.839
<v Speaker 4>school today because she was like, I have to stay home.

0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:56.719
<v Speaker 4>I have to see Stephanie. Katie has a special affinity

0:44:57.200 --> 0:45:00.759
<v Speaker 4>for a B and Kimmi Gibbler because was nice enough

0:45:00.840 --> 0:45:03.520
<v Speaker 4>to bring us to a taping of the show a

0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:06.799
<v Speaker 4>fuller later in it, Yes, why are Joey McIntyre because

0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:08.400
<v Speaker 4>I didn't want to ask you that. I was like,

0:45:08.840 --> 0:45:11.000
<v Speaker 4>I can't believe I'm going to ask her for something, and.

0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:16.360
<v Speaker 3>I right, and she is so difficult, Like she's so intimidating,

0:45:16.400 --> 0:45:17.960
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean, Like you get and you're like,

0:45:18.000 --> 0:45:18.920
<v Speaker 3>oh god, I don't know.

0:45:18.880 --> 0:45:21.239
<v Speaker 2>How she could go either way? Right, Yeah, No, it's

0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:22.920
<v Speaker 2>very scary to deal with. Andrew Barbera.

0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:28.840
<v Speaker 4>Soise Louise is a Stephanie girl, and so she's horrified

0:45:28.840 --> 0:45:29.880
<v Speaker 4>that she's not here for this.

0:45:30.080 --> 0:45:32.520
<v Speaker 3>Renny, this has been such an amazing interview, and like

0:45:32.600 --> 0:45:36.640
<v Speaker 3>you are such a you're like a cousin of the

0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:39.000
<v Speaker 3>full House fam now, you know what I mean, You're

0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:42.520
<v Speaker 3>in our extended family. You've been there for so many

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<v Speaker 3>of our important moments, both with the show and personally,

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<v Speaker 3>and and you're just a really amazing, awesome, talented human.

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<v Speaker 3>So it like we kind of couldn't be luckier that

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<v Speaker 3>we have such an amazing writer who happens to have

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<v Speaker 3>such a big love for all of us, because it

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<v Speaker 3>definitely comes in handy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, feeling as mutual. It has been pleasure and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>fullest house, another vote for that one.

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<v Speaker 2>All us out.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, if we make it happen, you're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>the only reporter you have to come back to the Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>world first. Yeah, because we'd be the only one on set.

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<v Speaker 1>You get the exclusive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much, Ny, We love you so much,

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<v Speaker 1>love you so good to see you. Thanks bye.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that was so great. She's always such a pleasure

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, this was just such a natural fit too. She's like,

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<v Speaker 1>what a cool interview to get to interview somebody who's

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed celebrities for something.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very meta.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is so meta. And yeah that was just

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<v Speaker 1>I learned stories that I had never heard before. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>learned some things about her today that I didn't know before.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just love it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that was great. And she's always been.

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<v Speaker 3>So kind to us and the show and just really

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<v Speaker 3>been a supporter of ours out in media.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know that's wasn't always the case with full house.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we took a lot of grief over the

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<v Speaker 2>years for you know, being a family sitcom and all

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of stuff. So when you have a.

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<v Speaker 3>Writer who actually loves what the show is and what

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<v Speaker 3>we are as a family, that that means a lot

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<v Speaker 3>because she really she gets it, you know, and she

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<v Speaker 3>was the target audience when we were doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>She was the target audience. And she's so dang talented.

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<v Speaker 1>But she's so wanting other people to shine like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, such a big heart. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like she said, she's not the she's not

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<v Speaker 2>the reporter.

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<v Speaker 3>That's like, oh, so tell me about how the real dark.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, she's like, if you don't, I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>it to be uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>She just wants to be friends with everybody. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>just let them shine. And yeah I love that about her.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well that was so great. Yeah, I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>And make sure to check out her children's books, be

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<v Speaker 3>Is Bellies and Fiona and the Peculiar Praise. They are

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<v Speaker 3>really really fun and great books and so incredibly illustrated too.

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<v Speaker 3>So thank you guys for joining us on another fun

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<v Speaker 3>episode of How Rude. Tana Rito's If you want to

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<v Speaker 3>find us on Instagram, you can check us out at

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<v Speaker 3>Rennie did at No, she emailed you personally, but you

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<v Speaker 3>can send us an email at Howard Tannatos at gmail

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<v Speaker 3>dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Check out our merch store at howardemerch dot com. And

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<v Speaker 2>what else?

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<v Speaker 1>I think you covered it?

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<v Speaker 2>Cover everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Feeling right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know what's happening. Uh, well, everybody, it's

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<v Speaker 3>been a pleasure. We love you, Tanta Rito's. We'll see

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<v Speaker 3>you next time. And remember the world is small, the

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<v Speaker 3>house is full. Oh no, I lost it. I had

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<v Speaker 3>a thing and I lost it.

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<v Speaker 1>What it was children's books, body positivity.

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<v Speaker 2>Bellies, it's full bellies.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's full of bellies, bodies of all types.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, there we go. I'm hungry now