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Speaker 3: Hey, I wanted to throw this one at you, Jeff T.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's got the podcast and he had said

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Speaker 1: this about Lebron which got a little controversy around.

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Speaker 3: It got people fired up.

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Speaker 4: He was on steroids, bro, he had to sit out.

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Speaker 4: He was on steroids for real, legit, it was on steroids, Bro.

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Speaker 4: I'm allegedly, but like he had to sit out. But

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Speaker 4: you'll remember when they told him, like the Plus Sports

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Speaker 4: all though, now they was like he got everybody they

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Speaker 4: started chasing testing for ag H and they was like yo,

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Speaker 4: and he had to sit out, Like he said it.

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Speaker 4: Beck was hurt and he set out for like three

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Speaker 4: weeks and he came back. Skinny was just I was

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Speaker 1: I remember, okay, now, so T people love f TG

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Speaker 1: rob G. Would you agree, Jeff Tig is one of

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Speaker 1: the more popular basketball podcast the last two or three years.

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Speaker 1: He's because he's very We're like a great example Paul George.

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Speaker 1: You know he said some things that he would never

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Speaker 1: go there just because he just a he's still in

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Speaker 1: the league. Be he's a little more politically savvy. He

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Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily do something like that. You know, d Wade

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Speaker 1: has his now we know he wouldn't say a lot

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Speaker 1: of people wouldn't go that far. Gilbert and Jeff Tigue

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Speaker 1: are the two kind of guys who they give zero Yes,

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Speaker 1: those are the two. Paul Pierce a little bit, but

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Speaker 1: some here is just be coming from hate. Now I

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Speaker 1: said that to say he backtracked, robb G. What did

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Speaker 1: Jeff Tig say?

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Speaker 5: Oh, immediately the black guess UV's pulled up and he's like,

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Speaker 5: I got to put a retraction out.

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Speaker 3: Cut Sports pulled up on him.

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Speaker 5: Allegedly. No, he put out on his social media, y'all weird.

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Speaker 5: I was joking about brawn. He was just that dominant chill.

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Speaker 6: No, okay, nope, nope, nope. Hey man, can you do

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Speaker 6: me a favorite?

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Speaker 3: Robb G?

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Speaker 6: Can you play that again? Can you play that again?

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Speaker 6: Play that sound? Again he was on steroids, bro.

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Speaker 3: He had to sit out.

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Speaker 4: He was on steroids for real. Legit it was on steroids, bro.

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Speaker 4: I'm allegedly, but like he had to sit out. But

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Speaker 4: you'll remember when they told him like they for they

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Speaker 4: was like everybody they started chasing testing for g H

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Speaker 4: and they was like yo, and he had to sit out,

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Speaker 4: like he said, his back was her and he set

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Speaker 4: out for like three weeks and he came back skinny.

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Speaker 3: Just I was in the league.

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Speaker 6: I remember, you know how I know he wasn't in

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Speaker 6: several ways. But let me let you cook. First of all,

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Speaker 6: when you go into when you go into that much

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Speaker 6: specificic city with a time line, Look, there are timeline

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Speaker 6: markers within this story. Y'all don't remember when they started

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Speaker 6: testing for HGH and he had to sit out for real.

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Speaker 3: Allegedly the Paul.

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Speaker 6: We all Paul when we know we go shoot man,

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Speaker 6: let me and and then what happens is when you

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Speaker 6: try to bring others in. Y'all remember that, you remember that,

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Speaker 6: Remember when he set out for like three weeks and

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Speaker 6: then let's say his back was hurting and it came

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Speaker 3: I remember I.

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Speaker 6: Was in the league that None of that has a

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Speaker 6: punchline in it. None of that has a punchline in it.

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Speaker 6: You're telling what you believe to be a factual story.

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Speaker 6: And you did it with a guy who's still playing.

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Speaker 6: And because he's still playing, he is currently the face

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Speaker 6: of the league, right, I mean, yes, we've been trying

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Speaker 6: It just hasn't happened. So you can't say that about

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Speaker 6: On won, No drama, no smoke. That's the last thing

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Speaker 6: I need coming out in some controversy right now, trying

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Speaker 1: And I don't need this. And this is how you

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Speaker 1: see the power of it. And Jeff Tige rarely does

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Speaker 1: the backtracking. Jeff Tigue is known for saying what I said,

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Speaker 3: Been beloved for that.

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Speaker 1: That's how you know it got real for him to

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Speaker 1: put up man and anybody watched this from you know this.

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Speaker 3: He blamed it on us. He blamed us.

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Speaker 1: Y'all are still a y'all goofy whatever, y'all weird. You

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Speaker 1: put it on us that you put major major. I

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Speaker 6: The Times an id channel level investigating. Now again, if

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Speaker 6: that's what he felt, and there are people who might

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Speaker 6: you know, always question stuff like that, but then you

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Speaker 6: gotta stand on that.

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Speaker 1: To me, dude, just stand on it. You can't backtrack

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Speaker 1: over that and then put it on us. Hey out here,

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Speaker 1: dry snitching boy. They just just let it all out.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 6: Look, this is what I know for a fact. In

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Speaker 6: this day and age, people will tell on themselves and

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Speaker 6: throw unders others under the bus for clicks and views.

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Speaker 6: Oh now that listen, we touch a whole arm off

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you make a million, a million. There you go.

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Speaker 1: But d Way had the conversation about Kobe Bryant and

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Speaker 1: how he thinks his disrespectful and crazy that he's where

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Speaker 1: they had him ranked.

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Speaker 3: They had him ranked at eleventh. Who did that? Which

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Speaker 3: you want to I'm gonna have to side with weight

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Speaker 1: Now, how high you want to have him or a

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Speaker 1: low in this case that's debatable.

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Speaker 3: Is he five? If he six?

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Speaker 9: Is he two?

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Speaker 3: Is he three?

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Speaker 1: But eleven is crazy because you have Steph Curry in

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Speaker 10: You want to ask us hoopers who played against Cole

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Speaker 10: we talking all of us don't talk top three facts

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Speaker 10: like we all won't talk talk three if you played

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Speaker 10: against the if you played against Mamba. But from someone's

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Speaker 10: opinion that's never played against Kobe has never played a

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Speaker 10: game of basketball at the level that we played at.

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Speaker 3: Having him at eleven, why am I?

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Speaker 10: Why am I up in arms about something like that?

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Speaker 10: I remember when Kobe was alive, they had rankers when

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Speaker 3: I remember one year Kobe addressed.

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Speaker 10: It like who is these idiots? Like why would I

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Speaker 10: listen to these idiots? And I'm not calling a person

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Speaker 1: This is a very interesting conversation, Ephim, because I don't

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Speaker 1: the broader conversation of this seems to be more than

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Speaker 1: any other player unless you have some I'm missing a

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Speaker 1: know if there's any other player that because I think

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Speaker 1: most consensus agree on Lebron, even former players. Lebron's third,

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Speaker 1: And then you ask the players, and almost universally, they

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Speaker 1: get a look in their eyes. You start talking about Kobe. Man,

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Speaker 1: that's the baddest and he might be number one for me.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, he only behind Mike. Maybe somebody will put

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Speaker 1: him behind Lebron. But when you ask players about Kobe,

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Speaker 1: to ask you, this is it a lot of it

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Speaker 1: about the competitive nature, the mythology, the black Mama, the

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Speaker 1: that people have about Lebron is that man, if he

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Speaker 1: Coke with Lebron could be like. And I think the

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Speaker 1: And I think the mythology of Kobe, along with playing

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Speaker 3: No one in.

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Speaker 6: Basketball had more basketball skill than Kobe Bryant, not even

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Speaker 3: Everybody on the court, and you can see everything.

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Speaker 6: Those are the physical gifts that you've been blessed with.

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Speaker 6: so see this is where but listen he listen, man, listen, listen.

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Speaker 3: You're talking about physical gifts. Lebron is six y nine,

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Speaker 3: Rob sixty, ROBG. Hold on, now all right? You done?

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Speaker 6: Ain't even seen it. You never saw a six five

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Speaker 6: Athletic? He wasn't Vince T. Mac Lebron. I'll give you that.

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Speaker 6: I'm not mad at you. There's no again. Kobe is

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Speaker 1: Couple of things for me where I take Lebron and

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Speaker 3: He was seventeen when he got into the league, ahead

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Speaker 1: If I'm a known or a GM and i'm drafting,

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Speaker 6: He got it also, and this is historical, right. You

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Speaker 6: I just want to give you one little piece of information.

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Speaker 3: Now that's the fact, and it's still to this day.

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Speaker 1: So I'm glad you mentioned that the Dynamics. To me,

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Speaker 3: Yep. But he started chasing talent though.

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Speaker 1: You gotta you do hold on, realize that hold on

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Speaker 6: Well, how come we don't one want to come play

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Speaker 3: What look? Because wild want am I going to Cleveland?

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Speaker 6: If you're good at that point, if you're going to

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Speaker 1: At that point, he is too young, and he's playing

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Speaker 1: Former NBA center, Fox Sports Radio NBA analysts as well,

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Speaker 1: The original point of it was, where is there a

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Speaker 9: Well, the disconnect guess what's been going on with everything

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Speaker 9: whatever terminologies you want to use, it's who do I like?

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Speaker 9: How am I feeling about this guy? And that's it,

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Speaker 9: We've been watching Boston. They were they're only two years

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Speaker 9: and already they breaking that team apart because of an injury.

436
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Speaker 9: So there's so many different components that go into this.

437
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Speaker 9: That's why I don't listen to it. But recently I

438
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Speaker 9: made a statement because no, I got upset on some

439
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Speaker 9: of these players, ex players that are running their mouths.

440
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Speaker 9: You know about Kobe and you know, people on social

441
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 9: media were like, well, oh, so we can't talk about people.

442
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 9: When they did, I'm like, no, that's not it, because

443
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 9: you got to listen to totality of the conversation. What

444
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 9: I was saying is this, none of you guys had

445
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Speaker 9: the audacity to say anything to that man when he

446
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Speaker 9: was alive, especially being his contemporary, and the fact that

447
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 9: like a Tracey McGrady or somebody saying, well, if I

448
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 9: had Shaquille, I would have won championship. You had y'all mean,

449
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Speaker 9: so leave me alone with that crap.

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Speaker 3: There you go, Okay, I was with you, Oden, then

451
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Speaker 3: you just come from from shack to y'all.

452
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Speaker 6: Y'all was nice. Y'all was nice. He ain't shocked. You

453
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 6: don't think Kobe Bryant could have won with y'all?

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Speaker 4: Mean?

455
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Speaker 3: Yes, because Kobe greater than agree. That's the point.

456
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Speaker 9: My point.

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Speaker 1: You don't think could have won with shaq Maybe he

458
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Speaker 1: doesn't Winny didn't.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, you don't, Pny didn't. I don't know,

460
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Speaker 3: so then we.

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Speaker 6: Don't know that if they What I'm saying is I

462
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Speaker 6: don't know. What I do know is Obie Bryant one

463
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Speaker 6: without Shaquill? He did facts.

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Speaker 1: But okay, t mac te Matt can say I felt

465
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Speaker 1: I would win with with Jack.

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Speaker 3: I don't think everybody can say that.

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Speaker 6: Gilbert Areena said the same, and Gilbert got to take

468
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Speaker 6: him take chill pill right like.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, come on, man, and you're you're right o.

470
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Speaker 3: P The fact that the.

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Speaker 9: Disrespect, that's what happens if everybody has their uppons and

472
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Speaker 9: what they believe and so to me. I try not

473
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Speaker 9: to deal with it because it's all stupid. That's like

474
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Speaker 9: me saying, you know what, man, I was better than

475
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Speaker 9: Will Chamberlain. I can't prove that, so it's like it's

476
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Speaker 9: just dumb talk.

477
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Speaker 3: Look where do you stand? Where do you rank Kobe?

478
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Speaker 9: Once again, this is my personal opage, and.

479
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Speaker 3: We win and we're gonna listen to it because you

480
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Speaker 3: play ye love.

481
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Speaker 9: I love Kobe Dilley. I appreciate Kobe before he did.

482
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Speaker 9: But if I'm picking top five, like my top five,

483
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Speaker 9: he's not in my top five as far as like

484
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Speaker 9: the totality of everything, because I do have criteria, Okay,

485
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Speaker 9: I like that meeting those criterias, then you can't be

486
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Speaker 9: in my top five. Is he one of my favorite

487
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Speaker 9: players of all time? Hell? Yes, like I was. I'll

488
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 9: watch Kobe play every damn day, like I still rewatch

489
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Speaker 9: his last game. I just love the man and how

490
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Speaker 9: he plays.

491
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 3: So where you got him? Opie?

492
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Speaker 1: Since we're gonna do the stupid thing that we all

493
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Speaker 1: do and Frank Rayers and list players, where you got heven?

494
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Speaker 3: Not in your top five? Where is he?

495
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Speaker 9: He's number six for me? He's right outside of my

496
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Speaker 9: top five. Magic Kid his magic birds and they go

497
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 9: hand in hand, and so for me. Then I got

498
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Speaker 9: stocked in my top five because again I know what

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Speaker 9: my criterilias are. I got Will Findler, and I got

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Speaker 9: Kareem abdul Jabba.

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Speaker 1: Wait all the polonies, my just I thought I had

502
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Speaker 1: heard it all with liz Ethan my hip hop falling

503
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Speaker 1: up this Wait, I want to make sure tell you wow, wait, Josh,

504
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: I think John Stockton ere is just perked up all

505
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Speaker 1: the way in Gonzaga wherever you.

506
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Speaker 3: Wait? What?

507
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Speaker 9: But once again you asked me, I.

508
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Speaker 6: We know it's you, op We want to know why you.

509
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 6: I'm not telling you you're wrong because it's your opinion.

510
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Speaker 9: I might be trying to say, because I have certain

511
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Speaker 9: criterias that I use data and all that stuff. So

512
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Speaker 9: that's what I use. I use facts, not fiction.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I want to real quier quick, make sure I

514
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Speaker 1: heard you correctly. John Stockton is in your top five?

515
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Speaker 9: John isn't my personal top five? Me as a person? Yes?

516
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Speaker 3: So John have a record? Who's at the one? Did John?

517
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Speaker 9: He has two records that will never be broken, steals

518
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Speaker 9: and assist. He has two records that will never be broken.

519
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 3: But he didn't break the he didn't.

520
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 9: Just stuff like that have to be prepared, they have.

521
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 9: Come on, man, you have to look at it in

522
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 9: this totality. See we're talking about you guys are looking

523
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Speaker 9: at who had highlights and who did this and who

524
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 9: did No, it's the totality of everybody.

525
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Speaker 3: Thomas, I think.

526
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Speaker 6: I don't think John Stock was better than Isaiah's.

527
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Speaker 3: As good as John was, he couldn't get a chip.

528
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Speaker 9: Yeah, but I'm not gonna argue it.

529
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Speaker 3: That's true. That's true. I mean, I'm gonna arguing when

530
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 3: we hang up.

531
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Speaker 9: That all I'm saying I could Hey, man, I could

532
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Speaker 9: have said five other names. It would still be mine.

533
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Speaker 3: It would be its definitely yours.

534
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Speaker 6: I don't know he had me up to John Stock

535
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Speaker 6: with you criteria.

536
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Speaker 3: You're right, You're right, we get it all.

537
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 9: Gonna have different people again, I don't need click bait.

538
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 9: I know what I like.

539
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: Or are y'all trying to say you got Alex and

540
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: Robber trying to say us up.

541
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Speaker 1: Islause because they said, you're the first people to shut

542
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Speaker 1: us up.

543
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 6: And we'll right leave us feasts. But look, I respect

544
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 6: your opinion because I respect you as a player. Open

545
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 6: you know, that I have nothing but respect for you.

546
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 6: Anybody to play as long as you played and the

547
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 6: time that you played in the NBA, I can't. I mean,

548
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 6: I can argue with you, but I'll always you know,

549
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 6: respect your opinion because you were there, you were part

550
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 6: of it, you saw it, so you knew what guys

551
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 6: were bringing out of the locker room onto the floor

552
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 6: every day here exactly.

553
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 9: And if I could say one last thing, the greatest

554
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 9: that I have that I've been blessed with is to

555
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 9: revere and respect others for what they've done. You know,

556
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Speaker 9: I'm not going to dismiss John Stockton because why.

557
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 3: No, he's impressible.

558
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 9: No, because just like the okay, perfect example, I saw

559
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 9: Elvin Hayes last week in Vegas. I had to go

560
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 9: to Elvin hay Nobody talks about Elvin Hayes. What I

561
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 9: said saying was this, thank you for everything you did

562
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 9: for us. And that's what I try to do with everybody,

563
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 9: because you have to expect these men for what they've

564
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 9: done over the years. Everybody, Lebron Kobe, Michael Pippen, Alvin Robinson.

565
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 9: I don't care because we all had to go through

566
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 9: something to get where we are.

567
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Speaker 3: All right, well, olden we are at the time, but

568
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Speaker 3: I ain't gonna lie. Brother. That's the first time me

569
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Speaker 3: and from ever speechless look at.

570
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: We barely heard. I was like, it was the day

571
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Speaker 1: you know that today. I believe it is the day

572
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: they said is one of the fastest days on Earth.

573
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: I believe it was where it's the fastest. Anyway, it's

574
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Speaker 1: the whole thing. I felt like we were the matrix

575
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: right there. We both looked at each other and froze up.

576
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Speaker 3: I was like the.

577
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Speaker 9: One yo to say one of the trendy name.

578
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 6: No, no, I just wanted to I wanted you to

579
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Speaker 6: give us what you thought.

580
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: And that's what you did, John style. I can see

581
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: the where having dinner and he froze. He's like yeah, baby, yeh.

582
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: And John's talked it from all. They appreciate you as always.

583
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 9: Man.

584
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 3: See you in a little bit, all right, Olden Polonies,

585
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 3: the day the earth stood still right there