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Speaker 1: they're being censored. That's not the case. You look at

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Speaker 1: You look at other studies done in twenty nineteen that

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Speaker 1: the anecdotes that we're seeing. I defy anyone to see

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Speaker 1: this level of pervasiveness, this level of censorship on the left.

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Speaker 1: Anytime it happens on the left these platforms, they apologize

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Speaker 1: I've never been there. Why for sure? And that's why

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Speaker 1: people among us, and I wanted to walk amongst them.

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Speaker 1: you get this in the old Silicon Valley, right, there's

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Speaker 1: It's like the HR people. The people who are there's zealous,

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Speaker 1: look like this, but now instead the brightest minds from

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Speaker 1: jobs and they bring that ideology with them. There's a

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Speaker 1: there's a litany of reasons why this is happening, Carol. Sometimes, Carol,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Kara. Sometimes I have a hard time figuring

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Speaker 1: out who's actually in charge. And this is what I

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Speaker 1: mean by that. Is the Democratic Party setting a narrative

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Speaker 1: Are they setting the narrative? And then Democrat politicians follow Who? Who? Which?

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Speaker 1: Who's wagging the dog here? I think there's a pressure

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Speaker 1: It's like they don't when they stand up for things

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Speaker 1: something that I think people and conservatives in particular need

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Speaker 1: to be aware of. And Jen Saki gave the game

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Speaker 1: it sounds like they all just to have the same ideology,

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. There's no real cultural price to pay.

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Speaker 1: Right when Lebron James says he's all about China and

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Speaker 1: I think there is sort of a calculus here too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's the ideological zealots at the mid tiers and mid

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Speaker 1: for showing some guts, and two him Why James, I

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Speaker 1: applaud you. I think it's awesome to swim against the tide.

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Speaker 1: Why do this? Why take a bunch of heat? I'm

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Speaker 1: sure it hasn't been lovely for you on a college campus.

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Speaker 1: There's been any number of reasons. I'm worried. I don't

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Speaker 1: like to see the rising crime that is around us

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Speaker 1: right now. The numbers are pretty stark so and I

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Speaker 1: don't like the black lives narrative that black lives are

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Speaker 1: in danger from the police. It's not statistically sound. It

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Speaker 1: couldn't be further from the truth. And I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: communicate to my students that, in fact, they're not getting

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Speaker 1: the whole story. So a jumping off point for discussion

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Speaker 1: with my students. You mentioned the narrative. It's funny, so

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Speaker 1: I actually opened my show talking about that exact thing,

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Speaker 1: that narrative that everyone was screaming about last year. In

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Speaker 1: the wake of that video, which was admittedly awful, from Minneapolis,

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Speaker 1: everyone just decided it seemed all at once that the

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Speaker 1: cops were hunting down black men in a American As

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Speaker 1: you pointed out, there's no statistical evidence for that whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: And yet a huge portion of this society, probably a

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Speaker 1: gigantic portion of your campus, just bought into it. Why

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Speaker 1: were they so ready to buy into it? It was

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Speaker 1: it was like it was spoon fed for them. A

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Speaker 1: part of it is the messaging they get from the

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Speaker 1: leadership of the institutions. So the virtue signaling and twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty went into high high gear with respect to our leadership.

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Speaker 1: Whether it was the president's office, or the provosts or

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Speaker 1: the deans of schools, they were just falling all over

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Speaker 1: each other trying to reinforce this message and the steps

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Speaker 1: that the institution would take to try to protect black

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Speaker 1: students in black lives. The mainstream media reinforce the message.

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Speaker 1: We do try to promote critical thinking here at the

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Speaker 1: University of Southern California, and we still occasionally succeed, though

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Speaker 1: in that case, critical thinking skills of the organization more

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Speaker 1: or less failed. And it's largely because the students receive

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Speaker 1: I think, such consistent messaging that they realize it's dangerous

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Speaker 1: to step backs. It would be extremely inconvenient to step

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Speaker 1: back and try to take a stand or voice of

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Speaker 1: questions about whether or not that point of view is

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Speaker 1: really valid. So I think a lot of it was

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Speaker 1: just fear. So it's just a matter of doing what's easy.

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Speaker 1: What kind of blowback have you gotten from students or

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Speaker 1: USC itself. Well, it has mounted pretty slowly. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the flag's been up for the entire academic semester, and

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Speaker 1: it wasn't until about a month ago that I got

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Speaker 1: some feedback from the campus media, from the campus newspaper

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Speaker 1: that there were students who were unhappy about it. I

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Speaker 1: had not heard from those students. The only students I

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Speaker 1: had heard from were people who had stopped by the office,

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Speaker 1: people I didn't know who noticed it on the office

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Speaker 1: door and knocked on the door and said thank you

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Speaker 1: for doing that. But I hadn't heard any any opposition.

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Speaker 1: So the opposition was identified in the campus newspaper and

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Speaker 1: then I and I indicated I would talk to any

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Speaker 1: student to want it about this. In fact, that was

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Speaker 1: that was the goal. It was one of the objectives.

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Speaker 1: And then I got a call from the dean's office

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Speaker 1: in my school asking rather politely if I might not

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Speaker 1: take that down. They were a little bit vague about why,

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Speaker 1: and you know what the motive was for that call.

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Speaker 1: It turned out that the impetus had come from the

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Speaker 1: central administration I had, and this is typical. If the

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Speaker 1: central administration doesn't like something a faculty member does, they

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Speaker 1: filled her action through the leadership of the school, the

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Speaker 1: faculty members in I didn't find out until later that

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Speaker 1: the opposition had come not from where I thought it

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Speaker 1: had probably come from the provos office, but rather from

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Speaker 1: our HR department, which is unusual. Typically HR departments don't

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Speaker 1: get involved in the act DMIC statements of faculty. So

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Speaker 1: I didn't politely decline to take the flag down, and

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Speaker 1: you know, we've kept it, We've kept it civil. They

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Speaker 1: felt they had to ask, or perhaps they wanted to ask.

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Speaker 1: I really didn't quiz them on that point, and they did,

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Speaker 1: and I told him I would think about it, and

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Speaker 1: I was just trying to be thoughtful and polite, and

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Speaker 1: I sent them back an email message that explained why

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Speaker 1: the flag was there and why I didn't want to

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Speaker 1: take it down, and why in fact they didn't plan

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Speaker 1: on taking it down. But more no, no, I'm sorry, sir.

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Speaker 1: I wish we had a lot more like you out there.

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Speaker 1: I praised you for it, thank you for doing something

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Speaker 1: that showed some courage. Appreciate you. Pleasure to talk to you, sir.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the support. All right, we got Light

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Speaker 1: in the Mood next. But first, speaking of first, I

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Speaker 1: be back with Light in the Mood and it's a

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Speaker 1: good one. All right, it's time to lighten the mood.

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Speaker 1: There's something special about moms, isn't there? And I will

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Speaker 1: tell you, as a boy, I enjoyed harassing my mom too,

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Speaker 1: and it was always out of love. I think you

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Speaker 1: will be laughing your butt off and enjoy this video

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Speaker 1: quite a bit, don't E do that? Oh? Oh, enough

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Speaker 1: enough of that. Last one killed me. All right, I'll

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Speaker 1: see them all