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Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: What do we have, Chrisille did we do? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We really had describe the bottom the barrel to figure

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Speaker 1: puts it, to banish Trump from politics will simply have

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Speaker 1: to continue. And I think he's right there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I guess the only part of the one weird trick

436
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Speaker 1: would be if he's literally sitting in a federal penitentiary.

437
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Speaker 1: So I guess you can't run for office then, although

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Speaker 1: I actually don't even know if that was it is true,

439
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Speaker 1: I actually think you can't. Didn't Jim trafficicant, Oh my god,

440
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Speaker 1: I think he ran for Congress from a prison cell.

441
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Speaker 1: I think, so, I don't actually think even that technic bars.

442
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Speaker 1: I'm sure it makes it was I right well here,

443
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Speaker 1: and he was certified to run for the same seat,

444
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Speaker 1: and so that his platform to repeal the sixteenth Amendment

445
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Speaker 1: of the Constitution actually ended up losing that race. Let's see. No,

446
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Speaker 1: he was released from prison on September two thousand and nine,

447
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Speaker 1: so I think at the time of the election that

448
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Speaker 1: he was not sitting while in prison. Right, but he

449
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Speaker 1: did enter prison in two thousand and two, Sonny Wild

450
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Speaker 1: for office, he was in prison. Yeah, it sounds like anyway.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to speak definitively because I genuinely don't know,

452
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Speaker 1: but that is a fascinating I mean, I'm sure I

453
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Speaker 1: think it would be I think it would be a barrier.

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Speaker 1: I think it would make things very difficult. Yes, for office,

455
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Speaker 1: sitting in a federal jail cell, but you know, I'm

456
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Speaker 1: not sure that it technically rules you out from office. Again,

457
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Speaker 1: these are wild times to be contemplating any of this.

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Speaker 1: And even though what we know of this investigation is

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Speaker 1: focused on the Federal Records Act, the fact remains that

460
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Speaker 1: the president is under investigation and in multiple jurisdictions across

461
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Speaker 1: the country, any one of which could turn up an indictment. Actually,

462
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Speaker 1: Eric Holder, who again, you know, I think it's interesting

463
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Speaker 1: to hear what he thinks about it, not only because

464
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Speaker 1: he used to be Attorney General, but because he's presumably

465
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Speaker 1: well connected in the DOJ and in the legal community,

466
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Speaker 1: said he actually thinks the most advanced investigation is one

467
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Speaker 1: that's going on in Georgia. Regarding the fake elector's scheme

468
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Speaker 1: more so than the grand juries that are right here

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Speaker 1: in d C. Now, I would also expect that we're

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Speaker 1: going to enter a relatively quiet period now that we

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Speaker 1: are into, you know, very close to the midterm elections.

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Speaker 1: So it's probable that we have this you know, major

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Speaker 1: major event right now and then we don't hear much

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Speaker 1: of anything until after the elections are finished and we're

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Speaker 1: you know, beyond the midterms. But that's just speculation based

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Speaker 1: on historical precedent and what the Justice Department has done

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Speaker 1: in the past. You know, it is interesting the parallels

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Speaker 1: with the Hillary thing, and it kind of cuts both

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Speaker 1: ways because you know, you had certainly at the time

480
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Speaker 1: Republicans felt that the handling of classified material was very vital,

481
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Speaker 1: extremely important, where the investigation worthy of potentially hashtag locker upping.

482
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Speaker 1: Now it's you know, it's no big deal and the

483
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Speaker 1: like this is an overreach and who really cares about

484
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Speaker 1: classified information, et cetera. A relitigation of having participated we

485
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Speaker 1: are in itself. But I mean we all learned. I

486
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Speaker 1: used to know the details of like there was like

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Speaker 1: this seaman who had also been convicted, yes too, and

488
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Speaker 1: he was on. They talked about with Fox News relentlessly

489
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Speaker 1: about how it's unfair they went after him. I remember Hillary,

490
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Speaker 1: all of this stuff. I do want to say on

491
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Speaker 1: the law there, and about that one piece about you

492
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Speaker 1: know that you can't hold public office again. I mean,

493
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Speaker 1: it's possible that this would be subject to litigation. I'm

494
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Speaker 1: no lawyer, but uh, it seems to me that the

495
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Speaker 1: reading of the parameters for who can run for president

496
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Speaker 1: later the Constitution, it seems to me that that reading

497
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Speaker 1: is probably correct. I also want to say, though, it

498
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: wasn't just Resistant Lives that I saw sharing this. I

499
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: also saw right wingers sharing this as a way to say, like, oh,

500
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Speaker 1: do you get like this is the game, this is

501
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,479
Speaker 1: where they're heading, This is really their goal. So I

502
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: just think it's important to, you know, to have the

503
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Speaker 1: information out there about what exactly that statute means and

504
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Speaker 1: how far reaching it ultimately is. So a lot that

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Speaker 1: we don't know at this point, but the one thing

506
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Speaker 1: we can say for certain is this, We've never been

507
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Speaker 1: in this place in history where you have a former

508
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Speaker 1: president residence being searched, according to him safe being searched,

509
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Speaker 1: served a warrant under investigation, in multiple jurisdictions, and I

510
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Speaker 1: think anyone who is hazarding a guess as to where

511
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: this is going and how it plays out and how

512
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Speaker 1: Trump will react is you know, way out over their skis.

513
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Speaker 1: And that's probably a good segue into the Fox News

514
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Speaker 1: reaction because they were very measured in nuanced. No, they

515
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Speaker 1: immediately were you know, when all in on which hunt

516
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Speaker 1: Deep State? I think the news broke during while Jesse

517
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Speaker 1: Waters was hosting. So here is his immediate react. Let's

518
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Speaker 1: take a listen. We were told that the FBI wasn't

519
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Speaker 1: get to get involved in any politically charged search warrants, investigations, announcements,

520
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Speaker 1: indictments before an election. We were told that, I mean,

521
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Speaker 1: remember what they did with the crooked situation with the server.

522
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Speaker 1: They made all sorts of announcements, then they investigated the

523
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Speaker 1: Trump campaign. Then you saw what they did in October

524
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Speaker 1: by covering up the laptop, and now they're gonna they're

525
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Speaker 1: gonna send agents into mar A Lago before the midterm election.

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Speaker 1: This is not what we were told the FBI was

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Speaker 1: going to do, especially data on the heels of what

528
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Speaker 1: we just did at the top of the show, when

529
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Speaker 1: we just laid out how you know Paul Pelosi sor

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Speaker 1: Uh suspiciously involved in insider trading with the with the

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Speaker 1: wife Nancy, and then she takes her son to this

532
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Speaker 1: Asian trip, tries to hide it while he's got lithium investments,

533
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: he's got ev battery investments all over these Asian countries.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to cover it up, and nothing gets done

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Speaker 1: with Hunter. They're trying to push that off, make it

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Speaker 1: a little, just little tax thing, make that go away. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: we have evidence that they were holding ten for the

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Speaker 1: big guy. Diamonds are being exchanged. There's like one hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty flags from Treasury that there were suspicious wire

540
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Speaker 1: transfers coming from all these countries China, Russia, Ukraine into

541
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Speaker 1: the Biden family bank accounts that were all co mingled.

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Speaker 1: And you're sending agents to mar A Lago. Did they

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Speaker 1: get the address wrong, Dana some fair Port Pullo c

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Speaker 1: under vibe a diamond's exchanges there. Here's what I will

545
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: say again about the rush to judgment. Here. If your

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Speaker 1: position is that no president should ever face investigation, that

547
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Speaker 1: they should just be completely above which there are some

548
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Speaker 1: people who hold that. You then you can you know

549
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: then yes, you know how you feel about this, right,

550
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: you can say I don't think that this is approach

551
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Speaker 1: to do to any president, but of course Jesse does

552
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: take that tact. It's that, you know, I do think

553
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Speaker 1: presidents should be prosecuted. I'm just gonna already absolve Trump

554
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Speaker 1: of any sort of culpability and assume the person who

555
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: should be investigated. Yeah, I think the absolution is the

556
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: problem exactly. And that's the thing. I mean, there is

557
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Speaker 1: no disagreement I think on this show, Chrystal, that Hunter

558
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Speaker 1: should be fully investigated, I think to the full extent

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Speaker 1: of the law, based on anything we've seen on the laptop,

560
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Speaker 1: you know, et cetera. And if he doesn't any connections,

561
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Speaker 1: corrupt connections, especially corrupt connections to the White House, foreign

562
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Speaker 1: wire transfers and all that his own personal life and

563
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Speaker 1: degeneracy aside, like in terms of what actually had an impact.

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Speaker 1: And look, I mean it would be a problem if

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Speaker 1: there's selective application of the law, and I'm almost certain

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Speaker 1: of that will probably be the main political controversy going forward.

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Speaker 1: As you said, immediate rushes and you know, denunciations thrown

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Speaker 1: up there. Marjorie Taylor Green putting a picture of the

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Speaker 1: US flag literally upside down, the Candice Owen's reaction. Let's

570
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Speaker 1: go ahead and put that up there as well. The

571
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Speaker 1: FBI must be legally informed to dissolve what happened to

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Speaker 1: try is possively studying a mark unchecked government power. I

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Speaker 1: will no longer recognize the country I live in. We

574
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: must all come together and fight this evil. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you and I were talking. I could co sign that

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Speaker 1: very first set. This is the part where I'm extraordinarily

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Speaker 1: conflicted because now I say, we're about to get to this,

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Speaker 1: you know, talk about GOP reaction. Everybody's calling for like

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Speaker 1: an investigation, a church committee, a dissolution of the FBI

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Speaker 1: at the top ranks. I'm like, well, you know, it

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be such a bad thing. I wouldn't mind actually

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Speaker 1: seeing all of these records just spilled forward. We've talked

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Speaker 1: previously about such all the sketchy things that have gone

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Speaker 1: on in terms of wiretaps, class in terms of I mean,

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00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: think about even the Carter Page FISA and like the

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Speaker 1: high jinks that that went to, and really it wasn't

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Speaker 1: even about Carter Page. That just revealed like how sketchy

588
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: the PISA process is for thousands, hundreds of thousands of America.

589
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: We had the solusion of some like checking out exactly

590
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: it is just a complete rubber And we've spoken I

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Speaker 1: think about the number of secret FBI and forman and

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Speaker 1: all of that. So perhaps if there is one good

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Speaker 1: thing that comes from this and Republicans do take power

594
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: in the House of Representatives, that we will get like

595
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Speaker 1: a wholesale transparency of every I mean, I'm really what

596
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: I learned more about from Russia Gate was just how

597
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: shoddy the top levels of the FBI operate at all times,

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Speaker 1: not just with the Hillary investigation. I mean, the thing

599
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Speaker 1: that was funny that our was pointing too is like

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Speaker 1: you had Marjorie Taylor Green, Candice Owens and a lot

601
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Speaker 1: more besides, who are immediately like literally writing out defund

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Speaker 1: the FBI. I feel like, you know what you said, anyway,

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Speaker 1: forget it. Yes, we agree, We're like the FBI do it,

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Speaker 1: go for it. Actually agree, nice little horseshoe moment there.

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Speaker 1: We're all for it. Apparently Bannon's reaction to this we

606
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Speaker 1: have as well. He says, mister President, I've said this

607
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Speaker 1: for months. Ride now, and ride hard. We need to

608
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: stop laying around and go full smash mouth announced for

609
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: the presidency tomorrow at Mar al Lago, So we'll wait

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Speaker 1: and see if it's actually listens to. That would probably

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Speaker 1: be the most logical political conclusion. Well, this is I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is what a lot of pe people have been

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Speaker 1: speculating for a while. Is that part of his motivation,

614
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Speaker 1: not only for announcing early, but actually for running for

615
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Speaker 1: president again at all, is to try to avoid some

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Speaker 1: of the legal jeopardy that he is, you know, legitimately

617
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Speaker 1: in right again, not just on the presidential records thing,

618
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Speaker 1: but fake electors in Georgia, the DC grand jury New York,

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Speaker 1: also investigation into his business. All of those things seemed

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Speaker 1: to be sort of heating up where it seemed very

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Speaker 1: quiet and very slow for a long time. We now

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Speaker 1: have more and more reporting about Okay, there seems to

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Speaker 1: be real you know, a narrow timeframe to reach an end,

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Speaker 1: reach a conclusion, and very possible, if not likely, that

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Speaker 1: the president ends up indicted. So he's not just facing

626
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Speaker 1: problems on this front, but he's facing problems on a

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Speaker 1: number of fronts. So it wouldn't surprise me if now

628
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: Republicans were reportedly like really not happy about the idea

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Speaker 1: that he might launch before the midterms because they don't

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Speaker 1: want the midderm election to be a rougherendum on Trump.

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Speaker 1: They want to keep the focus all on Joe Biden yea,

632
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Speaker 1: and inflation and the problems there. So I've also seen

633
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: some sort of galaxy brain takes that actually this is

634
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 1: all good for Trump. Listen, if there's tremendous overreach here

635
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: and there's bag like if we go down that path,

636
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Speaker 1: then maybe. But in general, when the FBI raids your home,

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Speaker 1: your office, you're safe and all the rest. It's as

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Speaker 1: I think Josh Barrow said this online, it's generally a

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Speaker 1: good rule of thumb. It's not good for you personally

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Speaker 1: or politically. And I think trying to concoct this like, oh,

641
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Speaker 1: this is actually all for dy Chess thing is a

642
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: bit of a stretch. Yeah, I think you're I mean, look,

643
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Speaker 1: there's two ways this goes. And I mean, look, given

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Speaker 1: the handling of Russia Gate and all that, and the

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Speaker 1: idiocy of the top levels of the DOJ, do we

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Speaker 1: put it past that they dramatically overreach. I don't put

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Speaker 1: that pass four second, which would be the greatest political

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Speaker 1: boon to Donald Trump that has ever existed. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we should always remember. I'll never forget this January of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, I believe I did a monologue and you

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Speaker 1: and I were discussing that at the height of impeachment,

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Speaker 1: the height was also coinciding with the largest amount of

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Speaker 1: GOP identification that we had seen in modern American history.

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Speaker 1: And the reason why was that the Democrats were making

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Speaker 1: it all about Russia Gate, all about Mueller, and all

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Speaker 1: about what was even impeachment one like Ukraine Gate and

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Speaker 1: the perfect phone call. Right, So at that time, people

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Speaker 1: cared so little and the economy, look, I had many

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Speaker 1: structural problems, but let's be honest, like it was not

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Speaker 1: bad at the top, at least for the middle class

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Speaker 1: and for the upper class. People were basically saying, listen,

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Speaker 1: the dams are offering me only one alternative. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to go and identify as GOP. Now, obviously, the coronavirus

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Speaker 1: pandemic and threw everything into a wrench with that. But

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Speaker 1: that is a very prescient lesson, which is that if

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Speaker 1: you overreached to the American public and Russia Gate became

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Speaker 1: one of those things which was a household joke. I

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Speaker 1: mean outside of MSNBC circles given. Ultimately what happened if

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Speaker 1: that is a repeat of what we see here, which

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Speaker 1: we cannot put that out of the question. I mean,

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Speaker 1: my god, like well, I can't even believe that they

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Speaker 1: will have inflicted that on us. Now, it's also possible

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Speaker 1: that they actually do have him dead to rights this time,

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Speaker 1: that they have learned some of these lessons, and that

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Speaker 1: politically things will go completely the other way, and that

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Speaker 1: they will make it so that, you know, he legitimately

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Speaker 1: has been quote caught red handed. But I can't just

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Speaker 1: help but think of the twenty sixteen tweet, which we

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Speaker 1: were laughing about this morning. It's like, how's old Donnie

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Speaker 1: going to wriggle his way out of this one? He

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Speaker 1: wriggles his way out? Oh well, yeah, I mean it's

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Speaker 1: hard to have covered all of these uxarious things and

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Speaker 1: seen the way they play out and not feel that

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Speaker 1: way right, not feel like this is another like, oh

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Speaker 1: the walls are closing in right moment, when the walls

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Speaker 1: never actually end up closing in. But one thing that's

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Speaker 1: different he is not the president anymore, correct. Another thing

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Speaker 1: that legal shield. Yeah, And another thing that's different is

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Speaker 1: I mean we never have had actual federal investigations on

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Speaker 1: multiple fronts. We never have had an FBI raid of

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Speaker 1: his home, So there are reasons to think that maybe

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Speaker 1: there is something this story will end differently. I'll also say,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's a couple of things here.

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Speaker 1: Him not having his perch on Twitter and not having

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Speaker 1: so much control of the media, I think hobbles his

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Speaker 1: attempt to really, you know, to really respond in the

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Speaker 1: way that he did when he was president in the

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Speaker 1: United States. And I also think that you know, the

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Speaker 1: January sixth Committee hearings all my you know, issues with

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Speaker 1: the focus on them and the things we've said on

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Speaker 1: the show before, which you can go back and rewatch,

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Speaker 1: I think they had been more impactful than I expected,

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Speaker 1: and even not that it has persuaded Republican voters that oh,

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Speaker 1: January six was really bad and Trump is evil and

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Speaker 1: awvel and whatever. But remember we played that Fox News

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Speaker 1: montage which was basically some like pro DeSantis propaganda voters

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Speaker 1: in Arizona. But what they were saying was not like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's been I can't stand him. They were basically like, listen,

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Speaker 1: I like the guy, but the reality is he's just

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Speaker 1: too divisive for the country, and I just you know,

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Speaker 1: it sucks, but I feel like we have to move on.

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Speaker 1: So obviously that was very cherry picked piece of propaganda

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Speaker 1: that Fox News put together, but it did signal to

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Speaker 1: me that there is some sentiment within the GOP base

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Speaker 1: of like sort of, you know, I wish it was different,

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Speaker 1: and I wish that this guy wasn't such a like divisive,

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Speaker 1: polarizing figure, but it is what it is, and so

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Speaker 1: we need to look to somebody else. I could see

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Speaker 1: how this would continue to fuel that sense of like, gosh,

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Speaker 1: I wish it wasn't this way, but we need to

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Speaker 1: move forward. Yeah, I mean, look again, all possible. It's

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Speaker 1: actually a good segue. Why don't we talk about the

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Speaker 1: GOP reaction. So at the immediate level, I think something

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Speaker 1: that this has proven is any idea that Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: was not the undisputed leader of the GOP has really

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Speaker 1: been disproven, maybe not at the base level, but at

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Speaker 1: the very top in terms of a number of officials

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Speaker 1: who are immediately coming to his defense. So let's go

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Speaker 1: ahead and throw this up there. Kevin McCarthy, the leader

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Speaker 1: of the GOP and probably the next Speaker of the House,

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Speaker 1: in the election, says this quote, I've seen enough. The

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Speaker 1: Department of Justice has reached an intolerable state of weaponized politicization.

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Speaker 1: When Republicans take back the House, we will conduct immediate

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Speaker 1: oversight of this department. Follow the facts and leave no

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Speaker 1: stone unturned. Attorney General Garland, preserve your documents and clear

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Speaker 1: your calendar. So making it very very clear that this

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Speaker 1: is going to be turned into a big thing. Also,

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Speaker 1: many of the traditional Russiagate defenders coming out of the woodwork.

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Speaker 1: So what we're seeing this morning reporting Representative Jim Banks,

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Speaker 1: he's been taking a dozen Republican study Commember committees. He's

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Speaker 1: our House of Representative figures to go have dinner with

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Speaker 1: Trump tonight in Bedminster because he's in New Jersey. So

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Speaker 1: there's going to be some coordination of investigation. Jim Banks,

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Speaker 1: Jim Jordan, many of these other folks made huge careers

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Speaker 1: Matt Gates and others on Fox News and elsewhere as

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Speaker 1: defenders of President Trump. They have long standing ties. Head

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Speaker 1: of the Judiciary Committee. Immediately the Judiciary Committee, GOP also reacted,

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Speaker 1: let's gohea and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Here's what they say. Quote, this is what happens in

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Speaker 1: the third world countries, not in the United States. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: the FBI have better things to do than harass the

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Speaker 1: former president. So what you're going to see is that, remember,

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Speaker 1: these people are going to be in control the next

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Speaker 1: time around, and I think that that very much is

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Speaker 1: going to tell us that they are going to launch

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Speaker 1: a full scale investigation and that we will likely get

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Speaker 1: a significant amount of information. I mean, this is, as

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Speaker 1: I said, just like the Hillary thing, which is that

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Speaker 1: first it started with the base with the basement, Then

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Speaker 1: it started with the ast for classification, then what was

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Speaker 1: actually classified not then where was it located, who installed

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Speaker 1: the server. Then it came into all of the details

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Speaker 1: of the Department of Justice under Barack Obama, how he

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Speaker 1: handled that investigation, Loretta Lynch meeting with Bill Clinton on

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Speaker 1: the tarmac and some sort of weird handshake deal, whether

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Speaker 1: there was any impropriety that happened at the time. Then

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Speaker 1: all the drama between James Comy and with the Loretta rine.

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Speaker 1: So the fallout from this, I think the reason we're

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Speaker 1: spending so much time on is just like abortion, It's

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Speaker 1: one of those things where it's like, yeah, this legitimately

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Speaker 1: does change everything it changes everything the media landscape. This

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Speaker 1: changes I mean, we were about to do a whole

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Speaker 1: show on the economy about you know, all these underlying things,

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Speaker 1: and we're like, you know, frankly, we just have to

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Speaker 1: cover this, not only because we know this will be

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Speaker 1: the biggest story across all three networks. We just know

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Speaker 1: it is going to consume Washington and American politics in

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Speaker 1: the same way that Russia Gate did, in the same

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Speaker 1: way that others did. And we owe it to people

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Speaker 1: to try and give the best amount of information because

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Speaker 1: I think people really do need to understand as I

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Speaker 1: learned at that time, which is the amount of horrific

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Speaker 1: information and speculation that comes out and the level of

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00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: hysteria that people are reaching on all sides at the

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Speaker 1: height of these things is just it's mind thembing. It

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Speaker 1: actually is what in politics for me for a time,

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Speaker 1: you know, in twenty sixteen again in twenty nineteen, which

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Speaker 1: is that it just you know, we wanted to do

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Speaker 1: a show on inflation. It's like, and this is ultimately

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Speaker 1: when you end up having to discuss and look at

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Speaker 1: a legitimately gigantic story exactly because that it's massively reading history.

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Speaker 1: It's impossible to not say. So it is legitimately, you know,

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Speaker 1: historic for good or bad, right, however you feel about it,

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Speaker 1: it is a historic moment. I think there's a couple

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Speaker 1: things to say about the Republican response here. First of all,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of Republican elites who have been wish

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Speaker 1: casting that, Oh, really the base is moving on, right,

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Speaker 1: and like the party is actually moving on from Trump

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Speaker 1: and you may not see it, and yeah, he may

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Speaker 1: still be up on the poll in the polls, but

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Speaker 1: trust me, like DeSantis is really the guy. Oh really,

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Speaker 1: because the minute that this came down, there was no hesitation.

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Speaker 1: Every media figure, you know, there was all this Also

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Speaker 1: Fox maybe Fox News is moving and maybe the Murdochs

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Speaker 1: are moving on from Trump. He hasn't been on in

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Speaker 1: a long time. I'm all that stuff. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: they are on the talking points immediately though. Oh this

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00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: is banana Republic, this is a witch deep state. All

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00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: they were all in immediately McCarthy, you know, immediately coming

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Speaker 1: out and saying, hey, if we win the House, this

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Speaker 1: is how we're going to use our time, not waiting

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Speaker 1: for any like facts, the Pescilo facts to come out

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Speaker 1: or figure out what's actually going on here. No, immediately

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Speaker 1: we're going to investigate Merrik Garland was you know, preserve

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Speaker 1: your notes or whatever the heck he said, and clear

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Speaker 1: your calendar because we're coming in after you. And I

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Speaker 1: guess that is Another piece of this is like Republicans

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Speaker 1: are broadcast into the American public like if you hand

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Speaker 1: us power, this is what we're going to spend time.

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Speaker 1: They're talking, well, they're telling people that Crystal, They're making

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Speaker 1: that pitch to the base, which is this is why

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Speaker 1: I actually do think this will energize Republicans for the midterms,

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Speaker 1: which is that beyond more so even than they may have,

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Speaker 1: just the level of persecution that they're going to feel,

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Speaker 1: and that is going to be not whipped up just

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Speaker 1: on I mean, look, it's legitimate, right, which's the history.

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Speaker 1: They're going to say that this is one of the

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Speaker 1: only ways that we can defend President Trump. For a

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Speaker 1: Republican base to come out and vote, that's going to

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Speaker 1: be certainly something. At the same time, it will also

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Speaker 1: energize I think Democrats, which is the more this election

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Speaker 1: is about Trump, it makes this election much more about Trump, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and much less about inflation, economy. The Republican winning hand

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Speaker 1: was Biden. Biden Biden inflation, inflation, inflation, don't talk about

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Speaker 1: anything else like that was the winning hand. That hand

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Speaker 1: was already somewhat compromised by the Roe decision, which has

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Speaker 1: forced them into an uncomfortable place and has energized the

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Speaker 1: Democratic base when it was previously demoralized. This now just

839
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Speaker 1: takes the whole thing up like a showed snow globe

840
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: and shakes it all over again. And you know, there

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Speaker 1: there are as we're laying out for you. I think

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Speaker 1: there are any number of directions that that could ultimately go.

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Speaker 1: And I think the Republican base was already very highly

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Speaker 1: energized to vote in these midterms. The Democratic base was

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Speaker 1: start to match them in terms of that level of intensity.

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Speaker 1: Now you throw the very polarizing figure of Trump and

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Speaker 1: how you feel about him and what you think that

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Speaker 1: should be done about, you know, his potential alleged crimes

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Speaker 1: that he's committed in the past, and you put him

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Speaker 1: in the middle of a cycle, and that's a whole

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Speaker 1: other wrench entirely. That It's just it just is too

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Speaker 1: early to say exactly how that's going to shape the midterms,

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Speaker 1: or if it does. I mean and then maybe he

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Speaker 1: does announce that he's going to run again and go

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00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: ahead and launch his campaign before the midterms, which makes

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00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: this all even more about him and takes the eyeballs

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Speaker 1: off of disappointments in Joe Biden and his stewardship of

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00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: the economy. There's reporting this morning that Trump is delighted

859
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: with this, that he thinks this is great, that he

860
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: continues to believe all publicity is good publicity, that he

861
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: believes the notion that this will rally the base. Of course,

862
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he also doesn't give a shit about the midterms.

863
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: He only cares about himself. So it, you know, to

864
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: the extent that he's delighted about being the center of attention. Again,

865
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with how he

866
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: thinks this will play into GOP performances. Look, we have

867
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: simply no idea. Let's go into the next part here,

868
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: which is also interesting in terms of the betting markets.

869
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: Put us up there on the screen, Ron DeSantis now

870
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: officially the betting favorite in the twenty twenty four GOP primary.

871
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: Kyle Killis you know no end screenshotting that you know

872
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: Trump is hating that. Oh, he's very upset. That being said,

873
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, I think that this is all just captures

874
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: again the level of hysteria, and I just want to reiterate,

875
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 1: which is to me, this actually just showed the level

876
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: of grip that Trump still has on the party. Ya

877
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: Fox Sure, you know, they may have said a few

878
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: bad things about him, They may have set, you know,

879
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: spoken up a little bit on behalf of Peter Meyer,

880
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: but I mean when he's under attack, Jesse Waters and

881
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: the rest of them, they immediately come to defense. I

882
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: also want to read this tweet that Ron de Santis

883
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: sent late last night. Here's what he says, quote, the

884
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: raid of mar Lago is another escalation in the weaponization

885
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: of federal agencies against the regime's political opponents. While people

886
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 1: like Hunter Biden get treated with kid gloves. Now there's

887
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: team is getting another eighty seven k IRS agents to

888
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: wield against adversaries Banana Republic. It's interesting he's trying to

889
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: turn that into a thing about the IRS. By the way,

890
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: we will be covering that. Don't worry everybody in our

891
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: next segment, because I know there's still a lot of

892
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 1: questions about those agents and the expansion of the IRS. However,

893
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: why I think that is important is for Ron DeSantis

894
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: to come out and immediately have to come to the

895
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: defense of Trump. And I'm actually even seen you know,

896
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: the most hardcore right wing MAGA people being like Ron

897
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: de Santis needs to mobilize the federal Florida National Guard

898
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: and like protect mar A Lago and have a standoff

899
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: with the Feds like Huey Long or something like that.

900
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: But I mean, it's just it does show you the

901
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: level of the position that he's going to be put in,

902
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: which is now he is going to have to be

903
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: serve as chief defender to somebody who he clearly is

904
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: not getting along with. Trump didn't even endorse him so

905
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: far as exactly, so there is a lot of consternation

906
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 1: I think amongst those people. I do think there is

907
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: a level of five D chess that some gop elites

908
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: are trying to play, which is, oh, actually all of

909
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: this is good because if we can take Trump out,

910
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: then we will eventually be able to move on to

911
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis. I mean, there's just no real reading of

912
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: the law and the I mean, I just think the

913
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: level of chaos at Trump and Jackson to the system

914
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: as long as he breeds their he's the leader of

915
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: the GOP. I don't just don't think that they're and

916
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 1: the only person can take him out is himself to say,

917
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not going to run again. Given

918
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: his ego, that's just not going to forget about it.

919
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I could even see a scenario where he's

920
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 1: running for president from the jails, see hundred. I could

921
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: imagine that. I really could. And yeah, I mean that

922
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: DeSantis tweet just shows you he immediately bent to me.

923
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,959
Speaker 1: I mean, he immediately went all in on the Trump

924
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 1: preferred narrative about what this is and what it means.

925
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: So to imagine this guy trying to take Trump out

926
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: and levy a sufficient criticism and critique of why the

927
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: party should move on from Trump and why they should

928
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: go with him instead, I just don't see it. I've

929
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: never seen it. I still don't see it. I think

930
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: everything that we've seen in terms of the immediate reaction

931
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: and I mean instantaneou is reaction to this series of events. Look,

932
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: it would have been very easy to say, which actually

933
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer said on Rachel Maddow's show last night, I

934
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: don't have the facts, and I think it's irresponsible comment yeah,

935
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: he said, no comment. I don't know the facts. I

936
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: think it's irresponsible to issue a judgment given how little

937
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: we know at this point. Very easy for DeSantis, for

938
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: anybody on Fox News, for any media figure, any elected official,

939
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: to say the same exact thing. I'm gonna wait and

940
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: see what the facts are because it's irresponsible. But that

941
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: is not what they did. Instead, they immediately are all

942
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: lockstep by his side. Certainly this continues to sort of

943
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: like harden his grip on the party and force them

944
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: to demonstrate their continued loyalty to him. Yeah, so I'm

945
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: looking here. Mike Pompeo also had reportedly been saying he

946
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: could run against Trump and Trump even he also similarly

947
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 1: last night, oh really execute yeah, late last night. Executing

948
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: a warrant against ex potus is dangerous. The apparent political

949
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: weaponization of DOJFBI is shameful. Aging must explain why two

950
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: hundred fifty years of practice was up ended with this raid.

951
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: I served on the Bengazi committee where we proved Hillary

952
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: possessed classified information. We didn't raid her home, So again

953
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: that's going to be lockstep. This is somebody who has

954
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: come out and said or not come out and said,

955
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: but reportedly has been exploring his own run. Now we

956
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: have we have Ron DeSantis saying that we have many

957
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: of the people who are coming out, and Pompeo's one

958
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: who outright said he would run even if Trump was

959
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: running too, but he didn't outright say it. Apparently he

960
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: told donors. Okay, so that's what I just look. Tom Cotton,

961
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: interestingly enough, hasn't tweeted anything just yet, but I wouldn't.

962
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: I would expect him to immediately also come out and

963
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: to go after this. But to me, it just proves

964
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: the level of hold he still has on the GOP.

965
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: It just cannot be underestimated. And there's quite a bit

966
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: of cope here in Washington to get away from that base. Yeah,

967
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: I think that's that is very true, And in terms

968
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: of the overall political impact, I think that's about the

969
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: only thing you could really confidently say it this way

970
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 1: until we see how this plays on a little bit

971
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: more and get a little bit of a temperature read

972
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: from the public. Right, Okay, let's move on. Actually this

973
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: story also now relates, which is there has been We

974
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 1: had this as part of our original show and we

975
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: just thought it was so funny that we did have

976
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: to keep it, which is that there has been the

977
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: emergence the left has been have decided that they want

978
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: to start trying to enter the meme game. And I'm

979
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: gonna be honest, I find some of these memes kind

980
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: of funny. So the Biden White House really embracing what

981
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 1: has become like an online left phenomenon, which, by the way, Crystal,

982
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,439
Speaker 1: some of these actually apparently come from Chinese social media. Yeah,

983
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: but I'm not claiming, by the way, this is like

984
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: a Russian Yeah. I did find there were a bunch

985
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: of people on the right who were like, way to

986
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,919
Speaker 1: echo Chinese. Probably It's like, calm the f town, come

987
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: on to me, don't be ridiculous. They're just kind of funny.

988
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put this up there. So the

989
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: White House Digital director posting this was all through yesterday,

990
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: and this was not in reaction to the Trump raid,

991
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: to be clear. It was actually in reaction to the

992
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: passage of the so called Inflation Reduction Act, which we

993
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: talked a lot about yesterday. Biden there with the laser eyes.

994
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: Funnily enough, in the bitcoin community, that's what you do

995
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: whenever you're a bitcoin believer. Let's go and throw the

996
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,919
Speaker 1: next one up there from Andrew Bates. This was also

997
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: really funny. So it's you know, from The Dark Knight Rises,

998
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: and it says the malarkey will end the Dark Brandon

999
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: and Rises. The White House w pros secretary right he

1000
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: is there. These are both White House officials and actually

1001
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: you're both from the official White House Twitter accounts, and

1002
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 1: it was also doing funny. People were saying, how could

1003
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: he post this image which includes you know, the Reich Eagle. Guys,

1004
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: it's from Batman Begins and The Dark Knight Rises, Like,

1005
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: come on, don't be lame, They're just memes. Ben Shapiro,

1006
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: also reacting to all of this, puote this up there,

1007
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: says you can try to dark brand and meme your

1008
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: way out of sub approval rating, but throwing hundreds of

1009
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: billions at green boondoggles in the middle of inflationary spile

1010
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: isn't going to turn things around. I don't think I

1011
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: read that fast enough in order to do it. His cadence, however,

1012
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: I just think it's one of those they where guys,

1013
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: Trump memes are funny. A lot of them are really funny.

1014
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: Some of the ones I remember that people freaked out

1015
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 1: about about him, like tackling CNN. Sorry, it was hilarious.

1016
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: The dark Brandon ones, the ones we showed you are

1017
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: not asked funny. We have some which we are not

1018
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: allowed to show you for copyright reasons, which literally had

1019
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: me laughing so much. Which is they had at the

1020
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 1: end it was like Trump. I was Biden at the end,

1021
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: and he was like, for all of us who voted

1022
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: for Donald Trump, there's no way out with like laser

1023
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: eyes and all that. I enjoy these things, but anyway,

1024
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: it became some sort of stupid squabble online. They're like

1025
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: and then I even saw Bloomberg reporters be like, why

1026
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: are White House reporters elevating unprofessional memes? It's just like, guys, relax,

1027
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: It's the Internet. We all shit post sometimes it's fun.

1028
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,919
Speaker 1: And the although it did kind of affirm the dark

1029
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: Brandon meme whenever the raid actually, I mean I said,

1030
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: I was like, d I was like, this is true

1031
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: dark Brandon behavior. For those who are not as online

1032
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: as I am, I envy you. This all emanates not

1033
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: from let's go Brandon. That's where the dark Brandon thing

1034
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: comes from. Dark Maga, which is during stop the Steal

1035
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 1: and much more. There was this entire thing like patriots

1036
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: in control, as in truly you know, usurping the deep

1037
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: state and the so called political appointing you adjacent. It

1038
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: was Q adjacent, but it did become kind of a

1039
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 1: thing online. And really what it came into the idea

1040
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: was is that there are traders within the GOP and

1041
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: the deep state against President Trump, and that there's real maga,

1042
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: so called dark Maga. So dark Maga Actually Madison Cawthorne

1043
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 1: even talked about this one after he lost. After he lost,

1044
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: He's like, now dark Maga will take control. So anyway,

1045
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: dark Maga was born within the maga community online. Then

1046
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: it was made fun of online. It's like, is this

1047
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: dark Maga? Everyone's making fun of dark Maga. Eventually, then

1048
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: of course, let's go. Brandon becomes a meme again. It's

1049
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: Biden after that viral Nascar video, and then we are

1050
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: now in the phase where they are embracing the Brandon

1051
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: meme and saying dark Brandon. So that is the etymology

1052
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: of the dark brand meme. And my initial awareness of

1053
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: dark Brandon aesthetic, yes, came from like actual leftists who

1054
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: were sort of making fun of the idea that Biden

1055
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: Biden would be this like strong, like sort of pseudo

1056
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: authoritarian figure taking control and rooting out the evildoers and

1057
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: the deep state and all that sort of stuff. So

1058
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 1: it started on a sort of mockery and then now

1059
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: liberals and the White House even near a tandon, Oh

1060
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: my god, embracing it crazy. It's done. I mean, I

1061
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: guess the thing is by the time, like Politico playbook

1062
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: wrote us up, by the time it's embraced by the

1063
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: White House press, it's done. The fun is over, like

1064
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: you killed it now. The other thing that I did

1065
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: think was kind of interesting about this is, you know,

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Speaker 1: Biden and his team famously they had this mantra, the

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Speaker 1: Internet is not real life. And so even though when

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Speaker 1: he as vice president under Obama he had a whole

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Speaker 1: there there was an internet culture around who Joe Biden was.

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Speaker 1: There was a sort of like caricature made of him

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Speaker 1: as like you know, the kind of like the car

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Speaker 1: guy out washing his corvette or whatever in the White houseway,

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Speaker 1: and there was Uncle Joe, yeah, and the Uncle Joe thing,

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Speaker 1: and that, you know, I mean that there was kind

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Speaker 1: of a it wasn't one hundred percent flattering, but there

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Speaker 1: was a little bit of an interest in sort of

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Speaker 1: like some sort of an edgy factor around him. They

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Speaker 1: completely you know, they didn't embrace any of that in

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Speaker 1: his White House run and were very much not online.

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Speaker 1: So to see the White House directly embracing this and

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Speaker 1: sort of like feeling themselves after having a couple of

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Speaker 1: legislative wins is interesting. I saw one quote here. I

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Speaker 1: think this was from the political write up, but I

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Speaker 1: can't say for sure. One Democratic digital strategist close to

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Speaker 1: the White House said, quote, being a Joe Biden supporter

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Speaker 1: hasn't been very fun over the past year, and dark

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Speaker 1: Brandon is fun. It's a sign the vibes are improving.

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Speaker 1: This couldn't have bubbled up unless there are some actual

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Speaker 1: genuine ws to point to, which I think is I

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Speaker 1: think that's true. I think it is they feel like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we finally got a few victories. Not those are being

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Speaker 1: wildly over sold by the media in turn of historic landmark,

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Speaker 1: that's week of all that stuff that we covered yesterday.

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Speaker 1: But you know, no doubt about it, they've actually done

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Speaker 1: a few things, whereas previously they were just completely stuck

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Speaker 1: in the mud. I do actually think this is not

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Speaker 1: a great thing for the Biden White House. I mean,

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Speaker 1: and there was even speculation about that this morning, which

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Speaker 1: is that they basically they wanted the whole week to

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Speaker 1: just be about their legislation. That's why Chuck Schumer was

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Speaker 1: on Rachel Mattot last right, wasn't there to talk about

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Speaker 1: any of these raids. But it is part of why

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Speaker 1: he would just say no comment and just talk about

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Speaker 1: the inflation. Let's talk about the act. But listen, guys,

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Speaker 1: it's you know, as I heard it described as a

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Speaker 1: one hundred megaton political event. I think that's true, which

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00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: is that scrambles everything, just like ROVERSUS way. It's like

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00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: a bomb that gets dropped and now everything This is

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Speaker 1: going to be the political center of gravity, now for

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Speaker 1: the political media, for everybody else, for all time to come.

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Speaker 1: And so, you know, in a way, I do feel

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Speaker 1: bad for the Biden administration. They just had their win.

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00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: I mean, they claim they didn't know about it. We'll

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Speaker 1: see if the reporting actually bears that out in the facts,

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00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: but no question that it does actually obscure some of

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Speaker 1: their wins. One of the things we'll mention, and I

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Speaker 1: believe they didn't have direct control overs because they would

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Speaker 1: not have chosen this timing, well, not necessarily control. Maybe

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Speaker 1: they got a heads up. I mean, this was always

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Speaker 1: a speculation with Obama that he knew a hell of

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Speaker 1: a lot more about what was going on than ever

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Speaker 1: came out. Anyway, Again, I literally have no idea, So

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Speaker 1: we'll see whatever the facts bear out. But Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: barely knows where he is not untrue, but Ron Klaine

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Speaker 1: knows where he is right, So we'll see. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how it plays out. There is one other piece

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Speaker 1: of the show in addition to our monologues. Our monologue

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Speaker 1: also predated the what did you call one hundred megaton?

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Speaker 1: A one hundred megaton event political event, which is there

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Speaker 1: was for our media block, there was a deep interview

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Speaker 1: with Rachel Badow, who of course was and still is

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Speaker 1: the megaton or megawatt star at MSNBC who signed this

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Speaker 1: gigantic new deal to basically not be on TV every

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Speaker 1: night anymore. And this was her first big sit down

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Speaker 1: with a writer for Vanity Fair who you know, interviewed her.

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Speaker 1: I think over a number of days about how what

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00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: she thinks about the world and what she wants to

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Speaker 1: do next and all of that, and you know, I

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Speaker 1: read through the whole thing. It's always just interesting to

1140
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Speaker 1: get into the mind of someone like this, and she

1141
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Speaker 1: has an unusual figure because, first of all, she also

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Speaker 1: is very not online, which makes her kind of unique

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Speaker 1: among the cable news punditry and host class. She also

1144
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Speaker 1: had some very like favorable things to say about Tucker Carlson,

1145
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Speaker 1: which I think shocked a lot of people. But the

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Speaker 1: part we wanted to focus on is that, you know,

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01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: and this does tie into like Trump and his various

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01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: scandals and all of that, is she got pressed a

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01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: bit on her handling of Russia Gate and how far

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Speaker 1: she went down the conspiracy rabbit hole. And this was

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01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: done in a relatively like, you know, kid gloves friendly

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Speaker 1: kind of a way, but still continue to be quite revealing.

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Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put the first piece up on

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Speaker 1: the screen that we have here. This is what the

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Speaker 1: Vanity Fair article looks like. This picture of Rachel in

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Speaker 1: the woods spl splittin wood There says exclusive Rachel Maddow

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01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: gives her first interview as she steps back from the

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Speaker 1: nightly grind and revs up for her next act. Let's

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01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: go ahead and put the next piece up. Let's put

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Speaker 1: the third actually element that we have up on the

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Speaker 1: screen here. So this is where she was asked to

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Speaker 1: reflect on her coverage of the Steele dossier, and no joke,

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Speaker 1: she used the Dan Rather scandal over the Remember this

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Speaker 1: is really reaching back in the archives. There were fabricated

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Speaker 1: documents that they ran with that Dan Rather ran with

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Speaker 1: to you know, call into question George W. Bush's National

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Speaker 1: Guard Service and say that they were basically, you know,

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Speaker 1: was falsified and that he didn't really serve. And all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden this turned out to they were unable

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Speaker 1: to authenticate a gigantic scandal. He lost her job, other

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Speaker 1: people lost his job. There's actually a documentary about the

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Speaker 1: failings there. But let me read to you specifically what

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Speaker 1: she says. She said, trying to turn the Russian scandal

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Speaker 1: into just the Steele dossier, or trying to turn the

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Speaker 1: dossier into the Russian scandal is a revisionist history designed

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Speaker 1: to intimidate people kind of covering stories like that in

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Speaker 1: the future, and to try to obscure the seriousness of

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Speaker 1: what Russia did with the Trump campaign's relationship was with

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Speaker 1: what Russia did. The reporter suggested that Mattow's coverage may

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Speaker 1: have given viewers a false sense of hope that Trump

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Speaker 1: was about to be taken down, not unlike how save

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Speaker 1: viewers of newsbacks and may have been led to believe

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty election was about to be overturned. At

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Speaker 1: this point in the conversation, that's when Mattow brings up

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Speaker 1: the Dan Rather thing. And here's what she says. Do

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01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: you remember what the Dan Rather scandal was about? There

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Speaker 1: was a document that was involved. He was reporting on,

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01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: like how did George W. Bush avoid going to Vietnam?

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Speaker 1: How was his National Guard service arrange? Why did he

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Speaker 1: get this coveted spot in this group that wasn't going

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Speaker 1: to be fighting. The story of George W. Bush getting

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Speaker 1: a sweet gig in the National Guard so he didn't

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Speaker 1: have to go fight in Vietnam was true. Somebody giving

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Speaker 1: Dan Rather a forged document so he had a screwed

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Speaker 1: up news story about it. Is fascinating. It's an interesting

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Speaker 1: thing about CBS News. But it doesn't mean that the

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Speaker 1: National Guard thing about George W. Bush was not true.

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Speaker 1: It just it neutralized it, like it made that go

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Speaker 1: away and the whole thing became a Dan Rather scandal.

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Speaker 1: That's what's going on with the dossier, So she struggles

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Speaker 1: to directly defend her reporting and how far out she went,

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Speaker 1: how much she relied on the dossier which ended up being,

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Speaker 1: you know, completely collapsing and one of the main sources

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Speaker 1: in midst to lying and all of these things. She

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Speaker 1: can't really directly defend it, so she tries to do

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Speaker 1: this roundabout defense of saying, well, focusing on the parts

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Speaker 1: of this that were wrong is just a distraction from

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Speaker 1: her parts that were correct. What I would say is

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Speaker 1: she's actually not wrong that the fact that Dan Rather

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Speaker 1: and CBS News ran with this fake document ended up

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Speaker 1: distracting from what might have been a real story about

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Speaker 1: George W. Bush took reporters off of the path of

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Speaker 1: digging into that more. But that's exactly part of the

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Speaker 1: problem and why it was so irresponsible. It's not a

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Speaker 1: productive for you to go so far out here that, yes,

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Speaker 1: you lose all credibility about any other parts of the

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Speaker 1: story that may have been consequential, that may have been true.

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Speaker 1: When you go beyond where the facts and the evidence

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Speaker 1: lead and you never apologize and make it right and

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Speaker 1: have accountability, then of course people aren't going to trust

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Speaker 1: you about the rest of the story. That's actually exactly

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Speaker 1: the problem here. Oh yeah, that's correct, which is that

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Speaker 1: a you and Dan also have agency, which is that

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Speaker 1: yours screw ups are part of why that political circumstance,

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Speaker 1: and you know that that circumstance happened in the first place. Yes,

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Speaker 1: she's harmed to her own cause we we are truth

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Speaker 1: exactly and we went ahead and pulled. I think people

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Speaker 1: need to remember how unhinged these people were. Let's take

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Speaker 1: a listen, and that may be is the most important

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Speaker 1: thing for our purposes as US citizens here, right, we're

1231
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Speaker 1: all trying to figure out what's just happened to our country,

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Speaker 1: you know, what's going on with this incredible national security

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Speaker 1: scandal that looms over our new presidency. How are we

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Speaker 1: going to get to the bottom of this thing? Right?

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Speaker 1: What's most important to all of us about this is

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Speaker 1: that if this guy did have a key role in

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Speaker 1: that scheme, while he is in Moscow, he is out

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Speaker 1: of reach of US investigators. And who are the US investigators?

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Speaker 1: Right in terms of the investigation into what happened here?

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Speaker 1: Something really important happened today that is not heartening at all.

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Speaker 1: We all know the basic history of this dossier, right,

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Speaker 1: reportedly it had circulated around Washington. It had circulated among

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Speaker 1: some journalists late last year. I never saw it before

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Speaker 1: it was published. I had heard rumors about some of

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Speaker 1: the things in it, but I am not one of

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Speaker 1: the people who saw it, and I don't know many

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Speaker 1: people who say they did see it before. But BuzzFeed

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Speaker 1: published it, but it was apparently out there. In early January,

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Speaker 1: it was reported by CNN that the FBI briefed Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump and briefed President Obama on a list of allegations

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Speaker 1: against Donald Trump and his campaign concerning Russia. That initial

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Speaker 1: report from CNN didn't exactly say what these allegations were.

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Speaker 1: But within twenty four hours, BuzzFeed News published the dossier,

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Speaker 1: this whole thirty five page dossier, and it was a

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Speaker 1: huge uproar. At the time, everybody, including BuzzFeed admitted the

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Speaker 1: dossier was all uncorroborated information. But you know what, it

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Speaker 1: didn't end there, So there you go, Christal. I mean, basically,

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Speaker 1: none of what she floated there to millions of people

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Speaker 1: ended up being true at all. She never coped with

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Speaker 1: that ever told the truth to her audience. You effectively retired,

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Speaker 1: and now she's doing some podcasts about World War Two,

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Speaker 1: which you know, more power to you, I guess getting

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Speaker 1: paid thirty million dollars a year to do so. But

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Speaker 1: the Dan Rather thing actually is far more revealing whenever

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Speaker 1: you consider that it wasn't just one report like Dan Rather.

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Speaker 1: It was two straight years of this shit on TV

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Speaker 1: every single night, and it was the sun and the

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Speaker 1: moon of American politics. You know, everything revolved around it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to them, they wasted so much more time harderwise

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Speaker 1: to getting that thirty million dollar paycheck, because that means

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Speaker 1: she had the top ratings people tuned in night after night.

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Speaker 1: I thought the reporter, even that was done gently raised

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Speaker 1: a very good parallel of like, you know, you did

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Speaker 1: a disservice to your viewers by straining them along to

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Speaker 1: believe that the walls were closing in and they were gonna,

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Speaker 1: you know, do the rate on the White House at

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Speaker 1: the time that you know now is actually happening at

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Speaker 1: mar A Lago, when in reality, you know, if you

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Speaker 1: would if you had stuck to what we knew and

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Speaker 1: what the facts were, Yeah, I think that people would

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01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 1: have come away with this more accurate sense of Listen,

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Speaker 1: there wasn't maybe this direct collusion and the pings between

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Speaker 1: the servers and Trump wasn't a Russian asset since nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty seven. But were they uncomfortably willing to, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: certainly solicit Russia's help if they had the ability to

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Speaker 1: do so. Yeah, And that was a gross thing, and

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Speaker 1: people should have known about that and should have been

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Speaker 1: reported out, There's no doubt about it. But because they

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Speaker 1: went so far, then ultimately, when you get them all

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Speaker 1: a report and it's not nearly the spy novel level

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Speaker 1: allegations that had been floated night after night, year after year,

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Speaker 1: of course people are going to say, you let us

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Speaker 1: a stray, because frankly, you really did. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: you're right. Gress, what are you taking a look at? Well?

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Speaker 1: I ran twice, I won twice, and did much better

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Speaker 1: the second time than I did the first, getting millions

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Speaker 1: and millions of more votes than in twenty sixteen, and

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Speaker 1: likewise getting more votes than any sitting president in the

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Speaker 1: history of our country by far. And now we may

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Speaker 1: have to do it again, We may have to do

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Speaker 1: with it. That was, of course, the former president receiving

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Speaker 1: raucous applause at SEAPAC over the weekend for his false

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Speaker 1: claims that the election was stolen. It is impossible to

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01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: hear the response to those results and look at the

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01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 1: GOP primary results as far and not conclude that stop

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01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 1: the steal is the single most animating issue for Republican

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01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:38,679
Speaker 1: based voters. Not that election conspiracy dabblers and outright koochs

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01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: have won in every single instance in the GOP primaries,

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01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 1: but let's be honest, they've got a pretty good track record.

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Speaker 1: In Pennsylvania, good notorial nominee Doug Mastriano worked hand in

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Speaker 1: glove with the Trump team to try to overturn Pennsylvania's

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Speaker 1: results and was at the capitol on January sixth. In Michigan,

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Speaker 1: the Trump backed Attorney general candidate led a team that

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01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 1: illegally breached voting equipment as part of their efforts to

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01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 1: overturn the results in that state. In Arizona, election deniers

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01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 1: won a clean sweep for governor ag and secretary of State.

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01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: In fact, the so called America First secretary of State

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Speaker 1: candidates have had phenomenal success in GOP primaries really across

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Speaker 1: the country. This group is united in their belief that

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty election was stolen, and many have said

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Speaker 1: that they would not have certified the results in their

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Speaker 1: state had they been in power last time around. Their

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01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 1: candidates have not twins in New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona, Indiana,

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Speaker 1: and Nevada, Sure GOP candidates are happy to trash Biden,

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Speaker 1: mock Hunter, and rail against inflation while failing to offer

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Speaker 1: single real solution to inflation. But no issue has been

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Speaker 1: as much of a litmus test in these primaries as

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Speaker 1: stop the Steal. Republican voters may tell polsters their top

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01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 1: issue is with inflation, but they've largely voted with their

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Speaker 1: heart on Trump's election conspiracies. And not only is this

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Speaker 1: a fake, terrible thing to organize a political party around,

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01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 1: it might be a bit of a double edged sword

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Speaker 1: in terms of electoral results for the Republican Party, because

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Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to get motivated to vote when

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Speaker 1: you I don't really believe that your vote is going

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Speaker 1: to be counted. Already, Republican attacks on mail in ballots

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01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 1: have been so thorough that their voters are much much

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01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: less likely the Democrats to avail themselves of this method

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01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 1: of casting their ballot, and that ultimately matters because mail

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01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 1: in ballots are a great way for candids to bank

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01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 1: vote so that they can more effectively focus their election

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01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 1: day turnout operations. Inevitably, of course, also some percentage of

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Speaker 1: voters are going to intend to vote on election day

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Speaker 1: and then they get waylaid because of whether or traffic,

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01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 1: a long work day, or any of a thousand different

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01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: things that can always blow up your best laid plans.

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Speaker 1: But there's also a question of whether the new mode

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Speaker 1: in the GOP wherever result they don't like is fake,

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Speaker 1: will lead to some of their voters to siding just

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Speaker 1: not to bother at all. Buried in a Politico article

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Speaker 1: about the Warnock Walker race down in Georgia, with some

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Speaker 1: worries about exactly this issue, one Republican county chair in

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Speaker 1: the state told Politico that quote, that's a concern that

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Speaker 1: I have about people not voting because they have the

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Speaker 1: opinion that everything is crooked and Trump really won and

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Speaker 1: that their vote doesn't count, and they're just not going

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Speaker 1: to vote at all. And I see that every day

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Speaker 1: thanks to me. He's right to at least be concerned.

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Speaker 1: After all, it was likely stop the steel claims, which

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Speaker 1: allowed Democrats to sweep Georgia's two Senate seats, a feat

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Speaker 1: that basically no one expected them to be able to

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Speaker 1: pull off. Remember what happened there. Georgia law says that

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Speaker 1: you've got to win a majority the voter to void runoff,

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Speaker 1: and no Senate candidate pulled that off in the fall.

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Speaker 1: So Loeffler and Warnock and as often Purdue, they all

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Speaker 1: went into runoffs. Now, historically, Republicans have nearly always increased

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Speaker 1: their vote share in these Georgia runoffs and prevailed without

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Speaker 1: Trump on the ballot to drive Democratic turnout up, and

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Speaker 1: with Republicans facing the dire prospect of being shut out

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Speaker 1: of power completely, sure look like the GOP was in

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Speaker 1: the pole position to win both of those seats and

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Speaker 1: grab control of the Senate. But then Trump and his

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Speaker 1: cronies went all in on stop the steal, claiming all

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Speaker 1: sorts of fantastical schemes involving in dead Venezuela and dictator

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Speaker 1: and dominion voting machines. You remember all of that. And

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Speaker 1: then Sidney Powell, his nutty conspiracy lawyer, even went of

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Speaker 1: ours to go to Georgia and tell Republican voters to

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Speaker 1: boycott the election because of her voter fraud claims. One

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Speaker 1: percentage of them must have listened, because Democrats were able

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Speaker 1: to win both seats in what had seemed a near

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01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 1: impossible task. I can't help but wonder if there will

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Speaker 1: be some continued effect from all of this stuff. After all,

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Speaker 1: many of these Senate races are expected to be very

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Speaker 1: close when it comes to election day, and you got

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Speaker 1: to deal with all your normal life stuff plus mind

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Speaker 1: time to get to the polls. Will some percent on

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Speaker 1: the margins bail, telling themselves, well, why bother? This whole

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01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: thing is set up anyway. Right now, in a fairly

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Speaker 1: astonishing turn of events, Nate Silver's five thirty eight model

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Speaker 1: gives Democrats a sixty percent chance of keeping the Senate

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Speaker 1: at this point. The trend line is really pretty dramatic.

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Speaker 1: Two months ago, the parties were exactly flipped. Republicans were

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Speaker 1: favored with sixty percent odds to take the Senate. Two

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Speaker 1: weeks ago they were exactly even, And now Democrats have

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01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 1: opened up that sizeable gap. This midterm does not look

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Speaker 1: the way it did just a couple months ago. In

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Speaker 1: the Senate, Republicans are going to need every advantage they

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01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 1: can to overcome the manifestly horrendous slate of candidates that

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Speaker 1: they have decided to line up behind. And I'm just

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01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 1: spitballing here, but constantly messaging to their base that elections

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01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 1: are all fake anyway is probably not gonna help. And

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Speaker 1: of course, Sager, as we've been discussing, yeah, the whole

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01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 1: election ANALYSI has been once again. And if you want

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01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a premium

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Speaker 1: subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com. All right, Tago, what

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01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 1: are you looking at? Well? When I think back upon

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01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: the past Trump era, now that we're in another one,

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01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: I pickpoint a few things that really seismically changed for

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Speaker 1: American politics. His very first day debate, his win in

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire, and one that many would also point to,

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01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 1: but for a very different reason than me. It was

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Speaker 1: the day after Access Hollywood. The entire media was covering

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01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: it incessantly. The traditional rules were compelling dozens of high

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01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 1: profile Republicans to say you shouldn't drop out of the

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Speaker 1: race and that he had no shot. All the while,

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01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 1: the media was surrounding his residence waiting for his first

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Speaker 1: public comments. And then something very interesting happened. He didn't

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01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: do an interview. He hold up in his residence, and

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01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 1: he simply released a video addressing the incident on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: The next time he spoke about a public it was

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01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 1: at the second presidential debate with Hillary Clinton, where he

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01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: brought with him as guests women who had publicly accused

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01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton of sexual assault. From that day forward, it

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01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 1: was just a different story and he survived to this day.

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01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 1: I think it's about one of the most significant days

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Speaker 1: in American politics because it occurred without any input from

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Speaker 1: whatsoever from the news media. Previously, the news media were

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Speaker 1: the conveners of power, necessary methods of communication to millions

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01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 1: of people. Politicians and other people in power had to

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01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 1: engage with them in order to get the message out there.

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01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 1: But the day that the Internet was invented, that value

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01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 1: proposition was threatened, and it was really dethroned on that

1433
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 1: day in twenty sixteen. Because Trump did not need them

1434
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 1: to put out his video. He shot it himself and

1435
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 1: he just tweeted it out. The news media played it

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01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 1: over and over and over again without even speaking to

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01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 1: him once. A decade before that could not have possibly happened.

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01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 1: Politicians literally did not have the capability to just easily

1439
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 1: record a video like that, even if they did, they

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01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: would need the media to air it on traditional TV

1441
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 1: because that's where a lot of people got their information.

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01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 1: But the Internet changed everything in the interimmerors and it

1443
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: opened up all sorts of crazy possibilities. The irony is

1444
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 1: that once Trump actually did win, though he had a

1445
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 1: symbiotic relationship with the traditional media he hated, he himself

1446
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: loved talking to the mainstream media. He would call them

1447
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 1: incessantly on background or off the record. Trust me, I

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01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 1: saw at firsthand as a White House correspondent. The people

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01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 1: who worked for him talked a massive game about how

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01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,839
Speaker 1: the mainstream media sucked off the record though and on background,

1451
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 1: just like their boss. There is nothing those people loved

1452
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:28,680
Speaker 1: more than speaking to the New York Times of the

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01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 1: Washington Posts, leaking this tidbit or that, and trying to

1454
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 1: preserve their image and official Washington. But now that Trump

1455
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: is out, or at least temporarily, the forces he unleashed

1456
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:40,759
Speaker 1: on that day and the power of the Internet's legacy

1457
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: is being felt all across the country, the media is

1458
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 1: not happy about it at all. Things started about a

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01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 1: week ago. There was a Washington Post profile of Ron

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01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 1: DeSantis's press secretary of Christina Pushaw. She is famous for

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01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: brawling on Twitter with any reporter who is writing unfavorably

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01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: about DeSantis. She is known for publicly posting their email

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01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 1: inquiries to show their bias or to fact check them

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01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 1: post publication in real time. Pushaw and her tactics aside,

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01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 1: which I do think are very effective. It ignited a

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Speaker 1: discussion amongst the mainstream media because they realize, here you

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Speaker 1: had the Press secretary for the possibly the second most

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Speaker 1: prominent Republican in the United States, who did not want

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01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 1: to engage with the national press, and in fact has

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01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 1: found political success by being as antagonistic as possible towards them.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the media spins it as Republicans don't want

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Speaker 1: to answer any hard questions, which, look, let's be honest,

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01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 1: that is definitely kind of true. But it also says

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01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 1: less about Republicans than it does about the media. Here's

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01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 1: the truth that we all know. The political media of

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01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:40,680
Speaker 1: the United States is by and large an arm of

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Speaker 1: the capital d Democratic Party. Look at Crystal's monologue from yesterday.

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Speaker 1: If you need proof, combine this with the Internet and

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01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 1: you have a new world. Republicans have no actual incentive

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01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 1: or reason to speak with the mainstream media, who are

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01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,640
Speaker 1: effectively their political opponents. When they can, they could just

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01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: talk to the right wing media, who won't really ask

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01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 1: them anything tough. In the age of the Internet, the

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01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:03,759
Speaker 1: medium is the message. If Trump makes a crazy comment

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01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 1: to a right wing blogger and doesn't speak to the

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Speaker 1: New York Times, if the comment is crazy enough, the

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Speaker 1: New York Times will just cover that comment and cite

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Speaker 1: the interview. He doesn't actually need to speak to them

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01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 1: to get the covers that he needs. DeSantis is in

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01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: the same boat. He has no incentive to speak to

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Speaker 1: the New York Times. He can literally just give a

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01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 1: speech or release a video and the Times will be

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01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 1: forced to cover it. If he wants to elaborate, He's

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01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 1: far better off speaking to a friendly news outlet. The

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01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:30,640
Speaker 1: Times or The Post or any other major paper is

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01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 1: then forced to recover that if they're writing a story

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Speaker 1: about it. The counter to what I'm saying would be, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but then you don't get your side of the story.

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Speaker 1: And while that's kind of true, does it really matter today?

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Speaker 1: As Washington Post reporter Dave Weigel recently reflected onto NPR,

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01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 1: he increasingly has found himself barred from events or with

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01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 1: GOP officials straight up ignoring him, he notes, quote, and

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01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 1: started to see more Republican candidates avoiding the press, blocking

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01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:56,599
Speaker 1: the press from events, and taking advantage of the fact

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01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 1: that there is a conservative media that will ask different

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01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:01,560
Speaker 1: questions and has a different audience, he continues, And to

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01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 1: be honest, an interview with one of those websites might

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01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 1: get more views from the people who vote in a

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01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:09,679
Speaker 1: Republican primary than an interview with me, he continues. Quote.

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01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 1: So I'm obviously not going to say to the world

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01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 1: to stop talking to the media, but he adds, I'm

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01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 1: just saying objectively, there is a media infrastructure built up,

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01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 1: so you don't need to if you're a Republican candidate

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01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 1: to talk to us. He's right, as he knows if

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01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 1: he needs to cover them, he could just listen to

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01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: their interviews on a different source. All of this is

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01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 1: an outgrowth of the Internet, and of course NPR is

1518
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 1: trying to spin this as some tragedy that nobody will

1519
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: talk to them anymore. How it shows that Republicans are

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01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 1: afraid of Democrat democrat democracy and accountability activists. But the

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01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 1: real pro is, like Wygel, really understand the game. Jonathan

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01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 1: Swan who I also deeply respect, similarly noted on Twitter

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01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: that convening power for a TV interview that's just dead.

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01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:52,560
Speaker 1: Nobody has the power to compel a politician to do

1525
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:56,600
Speaker 1: a challenging interview, continuing what he has tried desperately to

1526
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 1: get a one on interview with Biden, and then Biden

1527
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 1: simple won't do it because he doesn't want to be challenged.

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01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 1: He says, quote, there's no convening power on planet Earth

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01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 1: that could compel him to do an interview that his

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01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 1: advisors deemed to be unsafe. Yeah, and that is why

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01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 1: Biden does interviews with people like Jimmy Fallon. I mean,

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01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 1: why shouldn't he. The entire press will watch it, if

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01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 1: there's a good clip, Cable news will show it. The

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01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 1: Internet has decentralized and exposed the press for what they

1535
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 1: are mostly agents for that select faction of the Democratic Party. Personally,

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01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 1: I have actually no problem with that. What I have

1537
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 1: a real problem with is their virtual monopoly up until

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01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 1: now on the exchange of information and of the power

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01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 1: that they yielded over politicians and our politics. And while that, yes,

1540
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 1: it remains the case today in American politics, those at

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01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:44,640
Speaker 1: the very very top, like Biden and DeSantis are realizing

1542
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:46,560
Speaker 1: they don't need them as much as they used to.

1543
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 1: And while I think there will be many costs to this,

1544
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 1: mainly that startup media organizations just like ours lack the

1545
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:55,520
Speaker 1: billions of dollars that traditional media does to subsidize investigative

1546
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:57,680
Speaker 1: reporting and more, I have for more trust in the

1547
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 1: emerging model and vision because many of the hardest parts

1548
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 1: now not only exist, but have higher viewership than traditional media.

1549
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 1: It's both the better customer experience and liable to reach

1550
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 1: more people if you post something on YouTube than if

1551
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 1: you air it live on cable news. Inevitably, the former

1552
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 1: will win. It is just a matter of time to

1553
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 1: figure out how to replicate the only good things the

1554
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 1: legacy media ever did. In the meantime, you can be

1555
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 1: sure of this, while the mainstream press retains whatever waning

1556
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 1: power it does, they will not go willingly into the

1557
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 1: good night. They will fight, and they will kick and

1558
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 1: scream and demean and besmirch and seek to destroy anyone

1559
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 1: who reveals their true agenda and the trendsetters that show

1560
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 1: us how powerless that they are. And it is going

1561
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:39,680
Speaker 1: to be fun to watch it all play out. So

1562
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 1: I tried to take more of a meta stance on

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01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 1: this crystal real and if you want to hear my

1564
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 1: reaction to Sager's monologue, become a premium subscriber today at

1565
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:53,680
Speaker 1: breakingpoints dot com. Joining us now is Bradley Moss. He's

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01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 1: a lawyer over at the Marsaid Law firm. He's actually

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01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 1: specializing in classified materials. Brad, you and I have known

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01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 1: each other for a long time, political differences and all

1569
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 1: that aside. You're a legitimate expert, and you and I

1570
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 1: were actually talking ahead of the raid, and you were

1571
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 1: the person who told me that this is likely what

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Speaker 1: it was all about. So let's start at the beginning.

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Speaker 1: You put out a thread a couple of months ago

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Speaker 1: as to how exactly the classification process and all that works,

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01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 1: what it would take for the president to break the

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01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 1: law in the case in so far, and what we

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01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 1: know in all this. Could you just lay that out

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01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 1: for the audience, given your experience litigating some of these matters. Sure,

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Speaker 1: absolutely so. When Donald Trump was president, he, under Article

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Speaker 1: two of the Constitution, had unlimited, unfettered discretion to classify

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01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 1: or decent classify anything he wanted. He could handle classified information. However,

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01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:46,600
Speaker 1: he wanted. But when Joe Biden took the oath of

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Speaker 1: office end noon on January twentieth, twenty twenty one, Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump lost any and all authority he had overclassified information.

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01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: So when he left the White House in DeCamp to

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01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:01,640
Speaker 1: mar A Lago, we know he took all kinds of documents.

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Speaker 1: He just boxed everything up and shifted down to mar

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01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 1: A Lago, and in those documents are in those boxes.

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01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 1: We know there were countless classified, properly marked, still classified

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01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,640
Speaker 1: documents that got shipped down to mar A Lago and

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01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 1: were sitting in a basement there in boxes. This is

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01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 1: a problem for a couple of reasons. One, the Presidential

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01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 1: Records Act says those aren't his documents. Those are historical

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01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:29,679
Speaker 1: presidential records. They are the property of the United States,

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01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 1: and they're supposed to go to the National Archive first

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01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 1: to be sorted, documented, logged, and set aside to ultimately

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01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:39,919
Speaker 1: put in the archives as well as in any library.

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01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 1: Donald Trump would create. The second problem, though the bigger

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Speaker 1: issue is whether it's a criminal liability, is that there

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Speaker 1: are still properly marked classified documents in there. He's not

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01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 1: allowed to carry classified documents anymore. He's not allowed to

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01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 1: transport them on the Mayflower, you know, shipping trucks. He's

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01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 1: not allowed to store them at mar A Lago in

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01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 1: the basement. They have to be put in secure locations.

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01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 1: That's been his problem here is that he was grossly

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01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 1: negligent and completely inexcusably on ethical and how we hand

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01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 1: these documents. You know, they found fifteen boxes of documents

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01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 1: back in February that were shipping the archives, and justin

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Speaker 1: June we're here at the reporting they found more classified

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Speaker 1: documents in our alock. Got So, I have a lot

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Speaker 1: of questions for you. One of them that came up

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Speaker 1: earlier in sogernized discussion is is there some sort of

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Speaker 1: formal process that when he was the president that he

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Speaker 1: would have to follow in order to get those documents declassified?

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Speaker 1: Or can he just like sort of look at a

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Speaker 1: box of fifteen, you know, fifteen boxes ready to shift

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Speaker 1: tomorrow logo and say these are all now declassified, you know,

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Speaker 1: because I say so. Do they have to have those

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Speaker 1: marketings removed? Does there have to be some official process,

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Speaker 1: some official record keeping, or can he just sort of

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Speaker 1: like blanket declassify things at his whim when he was

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Speaker 1: still president? Yes, It's very good question, and it's actually

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Speaker 1: something that came up in litigation that we were handled

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01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 1: laying and that some other foil it against were handling

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Speaker 1: during the Trump era. He cannot just spout off verbally

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Speaker 1: a declassification. He can't declassify something in his mind. He

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01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 1: can't just tell someone it's declassified. There is a formal process.

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Speaker 1: The documents have to be taken aside. They have to

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01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 1: be there's classification marketings at the header and the putter

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01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 1: of every single page. They have to be marked off.

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01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,639
Speaker 1: There has to be what is called a declassification stamp

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01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 1: put on every single page that identified when it was

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01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 1: declassified and who declassified it. All that has to be

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01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 1: done to actually turn the documents into a declassified document.

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01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 1: However much authority he had to verbally site I want

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Speaker 1: it declassified, I order it declassified. Until that process was done,

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01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 1: documents still have to be treated as classified. And it's

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Speaker 1: not shocking with everything we know with the Trump administration

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01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 1: that the details of how this worked is something that

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01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 1: completely flew past it. Yeah, we already covered. Actually, Cash

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01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 1: Matael who works for him, are aready blaming the White

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01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:03,560
Speaker 1: House Counsel. This happened in May, So, Brad, then this

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01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: relates to then the next question, which I know you've

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01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 1: addressed previously on criminality, So what is the standard through

1645
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:13,679
Speaker 1: which the DAOJ would be able to bring an indictment

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01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 1: having litigated some of this in court? Like you use

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01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 1: the word grossly negligent, James Comey used the word famously

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01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:23,719
Speaker 1: with Hillary. She wasn't actually prosecuted. So then what lies

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01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:27,719
Speaker 1: is to the level of prossification prosecution for the Department

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01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 1: of Justice. Yes, so there's a couple different provisions that

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Speaker 1: could come into play. Some of them are eight eight

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Speaker 1: that's all the US Code eighteen USC seven ninety three D,

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01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:43,680
Speaker 1: as well as seven nine three F. These technically fall

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01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,720
Speaker 1: into the ESPIONAJAC. But the really provisions we consider to

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01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 1: be what we call official secrets and provisions. Basically, it

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01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 1: says someone who originally had lawful authorized access to the

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01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 1: classified information either willfully allows it to be communicated or

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01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 1: transported to an unsecured personal location, they are grossly negligent

1659
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 1: in allowing it to be transported to the unsecured location,

1660
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 1: or they become aware that it's in an unsecured location

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01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:15,640
Speaker 1: and it take no steps to rectify that there is

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01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:18,600
Speaker 1: an intent requirement. Of course, this famously came up in

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01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 1: the Hillary Clinton saga with the email server, and that

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01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,679
Speaker 1: would be certainly something that I'm sure the grand jury

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01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 1: is investigating with respect to how these records came tomorrow lago.

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01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 1: Any prosecution of a former president is going to be

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01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 1: politically controversial. The just Department isn't going to bring an

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01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 1: indictment unless they have what they do as a rock

1669
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:46,680
Speaker 1: solid case, want proof that Trump was completely negligent in

1670
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 1: what he was doing, that he knew what he was doing,

1671
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 1: that he didn't care, that he brought the documents there anyways,

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01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 1: and that he left them there even when warned that

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01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 1: there were documents there, and continue to lead them there.

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01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,440
Speaker 1: They're going to want to have an open and shutcase,

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01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 1: and I think we're going to be waiting a little

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01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 1: bit still to see if there are already invitens to

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01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 1: come out of this. How often is this crime or

1678
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 1: similar crimes related to classified documents charged, So generally speaking,

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01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:16,720
Speaker 1: most of the time it's not, because most of the

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01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 1: time you're talking about mid level bureaucrats, people who took

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01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 1: you know, classified documents home, who so something was you know,

1682
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 1: the infamous case of an NSSAY official who had been

1683
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 1: secretly storing documents for years. Usually it's sufficient for the

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01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 1: government's purposes just to revoke the person security clearance, to

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01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 1: fire them, possibly even seek civil damages. But there are

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01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 1: select cases where they do choose to bring prosecutions, and

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01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 1: they generally win when they do so, because there's not

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01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 1: a lot of leeway or discretion here. Generally speaking, it's

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01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 1: for the more egregious of the cases. There's the infamous

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01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 1: ones of the Navy semen who took photos in the

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01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 1: nuclear submarine. There's NSAY officials who took stuff home. General

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01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 1: betray Is stored you know, code word classified notebooks in

1693
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,560
Speaker 1: his attic and got I had to plead guilty to

1694
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 1: a misdemeanor. There are several prosecutions that have happened. It

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01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:11,639
Speaker 1: certainly is not out of the question that it could

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Speaker 1: happen here, right, And so that actually was what I

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01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 1: was going to ask about. So I've seen some comparison

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Speaker 1: to the Petraeus case. They believe Sandy Berger and a

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Speaker 1: few other officials have been gone after now whenever they

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Speaker 1: were under were they actually prosecuted, did they reach a

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01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 1: plea deal? What was the actual punishment. So Sandy Berger

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01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 1: and General Petraeus both pled guilty to misdemeanors in order

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Speaker 1: to avoid more serious felony charges. We don't know how

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Speaker 1: those prosecutions would have gone forward and what would have

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Speaker 1: resulted if the government had actually pursued cases. They reached

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Speaker 1: plea deals with both individuals. Both of them got probation fines.

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Speaker 1: I think Sandy Burger, you know, had a security clearance stripped.

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01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:59,720
Speaker 1: That's you know, someone expected. And it's not to say

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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump that he would necessarily even go to

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Speaker 1: prison for this, depending on the full factual circumstances, which

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Speaker 1: we don't know, get right, I think something less. So

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Speaker 1: to that point, I mean, obviously sort of the thornious

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01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 1: question here is not all crimes are charged, and all

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Speaker 1: crimes are even you know, thoroughly investigated. As you indicated earlier,

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Speaker 1: the fact that this is the former president of the

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Speaker 1: United States makes this extraordinarily politically sensitive. And so I

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Speaker 1: want to get your reaction to some of the commentary

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01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 1: that suggests this isn't a bad enough crime for this

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01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 1: raid to have occurred and for this level of sort

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01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 1: of intrusion investigation to be going on and you know,

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Speaker 1: you even had some figures on the Democratic side. Andrew

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01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 1: Cuomo was out with the tweet this morning saying the

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Speaker 1: DOJ must immediately explain the reason for its raid and

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Speaker 1: it must be more than a search for inconsequential archives

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Speaker 1: or will be viewed as a political tactic and undermine

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Speaker 1: any future credible investigation and legitimacy of January sixth investigations.

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Speaker 1: What is your view of that sort of line of

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Speaker 1: critique of this action by the FBI and the Department

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Speaker 1: of Justice. Sure, so if this were just about archives records,

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01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:15,839
Speaker 1: if this were just about a Presidential Records Act violation

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01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 1: and nothing was classified, then I'd be pretty much in

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01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 1: agreement with mister Clomo and the others saying this is,

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01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:24,560
Speaker 1: you know, overreach, because that could be handled to a

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Speaker 1: civil suit. The reason there's a grand jury, the reason

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Speaker 1: that a search warrant had to even be sought and

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Speaker 1: executed here was because there's classified documents, including again this

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Speaker 1: is all based off reportings. We don't know what the

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Speaker 1: FBI truly has. We don't know it was in the

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01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:43,719
Speaker 1: search warrant affidavit, even though mister Trump make that public.

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Speaker 1: We don't know for certain how high level of classification

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01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 1: the documents were reporting, says was up to top secret,

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Speaker 1: including some compartmentalized documents that only certain people would even

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01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 1: have had access to in the first place. So the

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01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 1: sense it's going to be level the documents would certainly

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01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 1: come to the plane in terms of how regious of

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01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:07,000
Speaker 1: a violation this is. If this was just archived records,

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Speaker 1: they're all classified, this wouldn't require criminal kind of reasons classified.

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01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 1: Why is the problem? Yeah? And so then okay, then

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Speaker 1: taking it one further, Actually, something you and I had

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01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:19,720
Speaker 1: talked about, it's possible so that Trump himself is not

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01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:22,120
Speaker 1: the target of this investigation. Is that right? It could

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01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 1: be the people around him and the materials were simply

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Speaker 1: at mar A Lago. Is that within the realm of possibility.

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely within the realm of possibilities. You know, he

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01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 1: is notoriously disconnected from the administrative realities of day to

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Speaker 1: day operations. We certainly know he wasn't packing any boxes

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Speaker 1: do anything along those lines. We don't know how much

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01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 1: he knew about where the records were stored, who was

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01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:50,759
Speaker 1: handling them, what efforts were they taken to separate classified

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Speaker 1: from unclassified. The only reason that he I think he

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01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 1: might be a target at this point, and this is

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Speaker 1: based off obviously new information we've had since you and

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01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:01,640
Speaker 1: I talked, was that they went into the safe, they

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Speaker 1: had to open up a safe in his personal office,

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Speaker 1: and then they had met with him and his lawyers

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01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 1: in just June, just two months ago, and found more

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Speaker 1: classified documents that gives me additional reason to suspects he

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01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 1: might in fact be a target. But I would not

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01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 1: be surprised to see someone lower level in his staff

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01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 1: be the true target of this. You will just have

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01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:24,839
Speaker 1: to wait and see. And remember, grand jury proceedings are secret.

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Speaker 1: What would the FBI have had to prove in order

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Speaker 1: to get a judge to sign off on this warrant?

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Speaker 1: And what sort of information would that warrant contain? Sure,

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01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:38,519
Speaker 1: so the standard is simply that there is probable cause

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Speaker 1: that a crime was committed. You have to identify the

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01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 1: specific crimes or crime or crimes that you believe were committed,

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01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 1: and you have to identify where you are searching and

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01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 1: why you are searching there. So they'll be both the

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01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 1: standard template form and the front of it, which is

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01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:56,240
Speaker 1: the search warrant itself, and then there would be an appidavit,

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01:32:56,240 --> 01:33:00,400
Speaker 1: a sworn appidavit from the relevant FBI official outlining what's

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01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:03,559
Speaker 1: already been done in the investigation, what they've already found,

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01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:06,599
Speaker 1: why they have reason to believe that there is evidence

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01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:08,840
Speaker 1: of a crime that's going to be located in the

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01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 1: evidence at mar A Lago, and where in mar A

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Speaker 1: Lago they want to search. They have to identify particular locations.

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01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 1: They can't just go roaming around the entire facility. They

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Speaker 1: had to have very specific details. And I suspect that

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01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:23,000
Speaker 1: if we ever do see the search affidated, we're going

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Speaker 1: to see a lot of detailed information about exactly why

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Speaker 1: they went Tomorrow Lago and where they worked at. Yeah, Brad,

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Speaker 1: it's been very helpful. Really appreciate your analysis here, man,

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Speaker 1: and thank you for taking time this morning. Appreciate it. Wown,

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Speaker 1: I have a good one. Absolutely. Thank you guys so

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Speaker 1: much for watching. We really appreciate it. I had to

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Speaker 1: scrim this is what we live for, folks. It's like

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Speaker 1: set what is like seven thirty and we're like, all right,

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Speaker 1: well we have to change literally the entire show. Cool,

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Speaker 1: It's all good. Yeah, off the treadmill, get all become

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Speaker 1: presidential records as experts have to rebook guests, but that's

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Speaker 1: why we do it, and we have the capability. I

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Speaker 1: really mean this thanks to all of you remake the

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Speaker 1: entire show, pay for all the extra time, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: who make this happen, that all of our premium members,

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Speaker 1: and more so, thank you all very much if you

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Speaker 1: have the ability to link us down in the description otherwise,

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Speaker 1: we will see you all on Thursday with probably some

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Speaker 1: even more explosive and yeah, who knows what will come

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Speaker 1: out right now, and then stay tuned, as they say,

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Speaker 1: love you guys, see you soon.