WEBVTT - The Duke and Adolf Hitler

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Noble Blood, a production of I Heart Radio

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you so much. M. M. October twenty second,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty seven. Berlin, the Duke of Windsor, a newly

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<v Speaker 1>wet at age forty three, smiles his famously attractive smile

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<v Speaker 1>as he disembarks from a private train in the German mountains.

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<v Speaker 1>He's greeted by a guard in uniform, with whom he

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<v Speaker 1>shakes hands, as he did countless times on his tours

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<v Speaker 1>of America and Canada. This time the guard is wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a swastika arm band. The Duke's wife, twice divorced, smiles

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<v Speaker 1>at his side. The man they're here to see is napping,

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<v Speaker 1>they're told, so they'll have to wait. The Duke and

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<v Speaker 1>his wife are entertained well during the wait, with music,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly Wagner wafting through the room. They make small talk. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they all agree, the fascists are strong, the British are weak,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Jews, they may have said, with a chuckle, well,

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<v Speaker 1>don't get us started. Finally, the man that the couple

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<v Speaker 1>came to see is ready for them. They go into

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<v Speaker 1>a meeting. Only ten months ago, the Duke of Windsor

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<v Speaker 1>had another more important title, King Edward the Eighth of England.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he smiles that attractive smile and walks into his

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<v Speaker 1>private audience with Adolph Hitler. When the future King Edward

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<v Speaker 1>the Eighth was born in eighteen ninety four, the heir

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<v Speaker 1>to the British throne was christened with seven first names, Edward, Albert, Christian, George, Andrew, Patrick,

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<v Speaker 1>David as king. We know him by the first of

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<v Speaker 1>the seven names, Edward, but friends and family knew him

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<v Speaker 1>by the last David, as if the distance between his

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<v Speaker 1>public and private selves could not be further apart. When

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<v Speaker 1>his father, King George the Fifth, was alive, he once

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<v Speaker 1>remarked that if David were to become king that the

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<v Speaker 1>quote boy will ruin himself in twelve months end quote.

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<v Speaker 1>King Edward the Eighth, never officially crowned in a coronation ceremony,

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<v Speaker 1>ruled the United Kingdom of Great Britain for just three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty six days. Edward the Eighth is the

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<v Speaker 1>king who rose to the throne eighteen years after World

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<v Speaker 1>War One and scandalously abdicated before World War Two after

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<v Speaker 1>less than one year as monarch in order to marry

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<v Speaker 1>a twice divorced American from Baltimore. In the TV series

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<v Speaker 1>The Crown, he is a rapscallion, a beloved uncle who

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately horrifies the young Queen Elizabeth with the contents of

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<v Speaker 1>a private dosier of information about him. In the pages

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<v Speaker 1>of Menswear magazine in the interwar period, he was covered

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<v Speaker 1>like a holly wood icon. Known for his good looks,

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<v Speaker 1>and fashion sense. In the notations by Queen Elizabeth's stationary office,

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<v Speaker 1>he was an ever loyal servant of the British cause.

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<v Speaker 1>In this very podcast he has been portrayed as the

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<v Speaker 1>former lover of a murderers, but in the heart of

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<v Speaker 1>Adolph Hitler he was what an ally a friend upon

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<v Speaker 1>we can't know for sure. What we do know is

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<v Speaker 1>that recently abdicated King Edward the Eighth of England, now

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<v Speaker 1>known as the Duke of Windsor David, brother to the

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<v Speaker 1>then current King of England, was entertained as an honored

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<v Speaker 1>guest on a trip to Nazi Germany in nineteen thirty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>where he had private meetings with Hitler while Ava Braun

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<v Speaker 1>and Rudolf Hess entertained his wife, the Duchess. The contents

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<v Speaker 1>of this meeting are lost to history. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>meeting just two years before the outbreak of World War Two,

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<v Speaker 1>which would kill up to fifty million people worldwide, but

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<v Speaker 1>a meaning after Germany had already passed the Nuremberg Laws,

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<v Speaker 1>which stripped Jews of citizenship in Germany. Adolf Hitler was

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<v Speaker 1>at least for an afternoon, a private confidante of the

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<v Speaker 1>inner circle of the British royal family. I'm danishchwartz and

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<v Speaker 1>this is noble blood. The future Duke of Windsor's early

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<v Speaker 1>life might be best described by this anecdote. After a

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<v Speaker 1>boyhood in which he was pinched a bit too violently

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<v Speaker 1>by his nanny and in which he displayed some interest

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<v Speaker 1>in German language and culture, he wound up a student

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<v Speaker 1>at Oxford University, for which he was basically totally unprepared.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point in his life, he was the Prince

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<v Speaker 1>of Wales. He considered his Oxford tutor Herbert Warren quote

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<v Speaker 1>an awful man end quote. The feeling was clearly mutual.

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<v Speaker 1>After the Duke left Oxford without a degree in nineteen fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>his tutor sold him out to The Times bookish. He

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<v Speaker 1>will never be Warren wrote, the tight lipped academic British

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<v Speaker 1>equivalent not quite of he's a complete knit wit, but

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<v Speaker 1>certainly of he's better suited to non academic pursuits. It's

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<v Speaker 1>unlikely the pursuits the tutor would have meant included being king.

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<v Speaker 1>Young David wanted to go into battle during World War One.

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<v Speaker 1>What does it matter if I'm shot? He said? I

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<v Speaker 1>have four brothers end quote not exactly the words of

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<v Speaker 1>a guy desperate to live to his coronation. The Secretary

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<v Speaker 1>of State for War replied, quote, if I was certain

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<v Speaker 1>you would be shot, I do not know if I

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<v Speaker 1>should be right to restrain you end quote. The big

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<v Speaker 1>concern wasn't that the heir to the throne might be killed,

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<v Speaker 1>but that he might be taken prisoner. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>concern that would continue to haunt the British in the

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<v Speaker 1>Second World War decades later. So though David wasn't allowed

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<v Speaker 1>in battle, he did toward the trenches. He witnessed soldiers,

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<v Speaker 1>young men his own age, who lived in constant fear

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<v Speaker 1>of shelling. He smelled the rotting corpses of their fellow men.

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<v Speaker 1>The experience disturbed him deeply, so deeply, in fact, that

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<v Speaker 1>it may have planted certain ideological seeds, the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>peace between the European nations is the single most important aim,

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<v Speaker 1>that war in Europe can never be allowed to happen

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<v Speaker 1>again from the horrors of the trench. This was a

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<v Speaker 1>noble idea, but we all know what the road to

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<v Speaker 1>Hell is paved with. And if you think a little

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<v Speaker 1>thing like trench war fair would depress the Prince for

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<v Speaker 1>long think again. World War One ended with the armistice

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<v Speaker 1>on November eleven, exactly one month before David's twenty four birthday,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was certainly celebrating. To put it bluntly, the

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<v Speaker 1>man was considered very attractive. He had a strong jawline

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<v Speaker 1>and dreamy eyes. He traveled to the United States and Canada,

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<v Speaker 1>shaking hands like a modern movie star. The object of

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<v Speaker 1>a million teenage day dreams, he was an international fashion

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<v Speaker 1>plate who scandalously dared to use a zipper in his

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<v Speaker 1>fly instead of a button. Unsurprisingly, all of that made

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<v Speaker 1>him very popular with the ladies. He embarked on a

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<v Speaker 1>long and storied career of affairs with married women, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of them. There's a sign fell joke, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>just have an adultery, you commit adultery, and Dave it

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<v Speaker 1>was committed. He had affairs on his affairs. One of

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<v Speaker 1>his early mistresses was the future murderess Marguerite Albert, who

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<v Speaker 1>he actually covered on this podcast. David continued on with

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<v Speaker 1>his affairs until finally in nineteen thirty one, when, at

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<v Speaker 1>the age of thirty six, at the home of one

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<v Speaker 1>of these several married women he was then sleeping with

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<v Speaker 1>he met a new woman, and already once divorced, American

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<v Speaker 1>from Baltimore, conceived out of wedlock, who carried her father's name, dark,

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<v Speaker 1>dramatic brows, red lipstick, with a sharp middle part in

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<v Speaker 1>her hair. Her name was Wallace Simpson. The Prince of Wales,

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<v Speaker 1>who had spent a decade seducing and sleeping with an

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<v Speaker 1>endless queue of women, felt his heart thud in his chest.

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<v Speaker 1>He looked at Wallace Simpson and fell madly in love.

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<v Speaker 1>By all accounts, he never fell out of it. In

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<v Speaker 1>the meantime, as you may have guessed, nobody in England

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<v Speaker 1>was really thinking this guy is fit for the throne.

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<v Speaker 1>David had a younger brother, Albert, affectionately called Bertie, whom

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<v Speaker 1>every one preferred in temperament. But Bertie also had a stutter,

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<v Speaker 1>and he seemed a shy and unlikely king in his

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<v Speaker 1>own way. Still, their father, King George the Fifth, made

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<v Speaker 1>his preference clear. He was quoted as saying, I pray

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<v Speaker 1>to God that my eldest son will never marry, and

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<v Speaker 1>nothing will come between Bertie and Lillibit and the throne. Lillibit,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, was referencing Bertie's daughter, the current Queen Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 1>the second. So with the parental preference so obvious, you

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<v Speaker 1>can forgive me for assuming David probably had some daddy issues. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>death doesn't care if you lack confidence in your successor.

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<v Speaker 1>King George the Fifth died near midnight on January nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty six. He was famously administered euthanasia so that his

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<v Speaker 1>death could be reported in the dignified morning papers rather

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<v Speaker 1>than the more salacious evening ones. The Prince of Wales, David,

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<v Speaker 1>became King Edward the eight that same day. Although the

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<v Speaker 1>king's advisers assumed Wallace was just another mistress, it quickly

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<v Speaker 1>turned out that David really was in love. He seriously

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to marry her, and then she started divorce proceedings

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<v Speaker 1>from her second husband. But well, the King is the

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<v Speaker 1>head of the Church of England and the Church doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>allow divorce. There was some back and forth between the

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<v Speaker 1>king and the royal family, the cabinet, Winston Churchill, and

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<v Speaker 1>Wallace herself about all of this. Later in life. Recounting

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<v Speaker 1>this period, Wallace will make herself out to be especially selfless.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote I am sure there's only one solution, she says,

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<v Speaker 1>quote that is for me to remove myself from the

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<v Speaker 1>King's life. That is what I am doing now end quote.

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<v Speaker 1>At least that's what she remembers herself as saying. In

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<v Speaker 1>the end, there was no way around David's choice. It

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<v Speaker 1>was the church and the monarchy, or it was Wallace.

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<v Speaker 1>The King chose Wallace, just shy of one year on

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<v Speaker 1>the throne before his own coronation, Edward the Eight abdicated.

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<v Speaker 1>The decision may have been as much about the character

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<v Speaker 1>mismatch between David and the throne as it was about Wallace,

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<v Speaker 1>but to the public it was about love. To the monarchy,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, it was disgrace to renounce family and duty

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<v Speaker 1>for personal pleasure, even if it was framed as a

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<v Speaker 1>great love story. Was the greatest possible failure of a Yale.

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<v Speaker 1>The Archbishop of Canterbury told the nation that the Duke,

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<v Speaker 1>in his quote craving for private happiness, had quote disappointed

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<v Speaker 1>hopes so high and abandoned a trust so great end quote.

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<v Speaker 1>David's little brother Bertie became King George the Six, which

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<v Speaker 1>put his daughter Elizabeth next in line. David was demoted

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<v Speaker 1>to the title Duke of Windsor, but as Duke he

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<v Speaker 1>finally got to do what he wanted. He married Wallace

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<v Speaker 1>Simpson on June three, ninety seven in Tour, France. David

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<v Speaker 1>may have gotten his bride that day in France, but

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<v Speaker 1>there was little else to celebrate. No one in the

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<v Speaker 1>family came to the wedding. Though he explicitly asked. Wallace

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<v Speaker 1>was denied the title her Royal Highness. That designation can

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<v Speaker 1>never be revoked, and the royals thought, what if she

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<v Speaker 1>goes off and Mary's a fourth guy still carrying the

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<v Speaker 1>title British Royal Highness. It was impossible. It was all

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<v Speaker 1>an enormous insult for the former Prince of Wales, the

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<v Speaker 1>former king, the international fashion icon. So here David and

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<v Speaker 1>Wallace are in seven honeymooning in a borrowed German mansion,

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<v Speaker 1>said to be haunted, the abdicated monarch and his new wife,

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<v Speaker 1>isolated and alone, looking for anyone to treat them as

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<v Speaker 1>the king and Queen they felt they ought to have been.

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<v Speaker 1>Four months after their wedding, the Duke and Duchess of

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<v Speaker 1>Windsor arrived in Berlin. As the train pulled into the station,

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<v Speaker 1>the former king felt a twinge of old recognition and joy,

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<v Speaker 1>and then a fresh twinge of his newer resentment and

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<v Speaker 1>anger when he saw the red, white and blue of

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<v Speaker 1>his own Union jack, and he felt a chill, a

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<v Speaker 1>fear of power, of excitement, or maybe even envy when

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<v Speaker 1>he saw his own flag alongside the red, white and

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<v Speaker 1>black of the Swatstika. David and Wallace were welcomed warmly

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<v Speaker 1>on their trip to Berlin. The list of people who

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<v Speaker 1>entertained them socially is a list of Nazi war criminals.

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph Gebel's reich Minister of Propaganda, Herman Goring, Hitler's second

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<v Speaker 1>in command who had been in charge of creating the Gestapo,

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<v Speaker 1>Adolph Hitler himself. In the chummy photos of David and

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<v Speaker 1>Wallace out in public with Hitler, the three of them

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<v Speaker 1>are standing shoulder to shoulder. David is in the middle,

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<v Speaker 1>long peacoat, buttoned and tie crisp, a hint of a

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<v Speaker 1>smile on his handsome face. Hitler is half bowing to

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<v Speaker 1>shake hands with Wallace, pulling her arm toward his chest,

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<v Speaker 1>Swastika on his arm, both Wallace and Hitler smiling broadly,

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<v Speaker 1>David deferential in the middle. Another picture shows David without

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<v Speaker 1>his wife or Hitler hatless in a sea of bowlers

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<v Speaker 1>and peaked s s caps. He's raising his right arm

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<v Speaker 1>palm flat fingers pointed to the sky in a Nazi salute,

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<v Speaker 1>with his elbow slightly cocked, as if some part of

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<v Speaker 1>him knew he wasn't in the right. I'll pause here

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<v Speaker 1>to say that the extent of David's involvement with the

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<v Speaker 1>Nazis has been covered up over time, with heavy influence

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<v Speaker 1>from the Royals. Some of the speculation stems from those photographs,

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<v Speaker 1>readily accessible in a Google search, but much of the

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<v Speaker 1>speculation comes from the Marburg Files, a trove of four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred tons of German documents found in within these the

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<v Speaker 1>so called Windsor Files of the Duke and Duchess were

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<v Speaker 1>the subject of a long cover up, so long that

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<v Speaker 1>many of the details I've recounted so far in this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast come from a book that was only published this year,

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew Loni's Trader King. I think it's worth quoting directly

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<v Speaker 1>from Lonie's book on the following point, describing a day

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<v Speaker 1>in Dusseldorf with David Wallace and their attendant Dudly Forward.

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<v Speaker 1>The book says, quote, they toward a miner's hospital and

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<v Speaker 1>a concentration camp. Forward later recalled, we saw this enormous

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<v Speaker 1>concrete building, which, of course I now know contained inmates.

0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:47.480
<v Speaker 1>The Duke asked, what is that? Our host replied, it

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<v Speaker 1>is where they store the cold meat. End quote. Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>a week and a half after their arrival in Berlin,

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<v Speaker 1>the fateful meeting with Adolf Hitler arrived. The Duke and

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<v Speaker 1>Duchess sat in the train car that ferried them south

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<v Speaker 1>of Berlin, skirting Munich. The train chugged as it scaled

0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:12.360
<v Speaker 1>the snow capped Bavarian Alps to the present day southern

0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:17.119
<v Speaker 1>border with Austria. They disembarked in brechdes Garden and found

0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:22.639
<v Speaker 1>themselves whisked away to Adolf Hitler's vacation chalet. The place

0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:27.280
<v Speaker 1>was like a resort, complete with terrace, big colorful umbrellas

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<v Speaker 1>and cactuses. In the entrance. Hitler was napping. The Duke

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<v Speaker 1>and Duchess were told when they arrived in what honestly

0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:37.520
<v Speaker 1>reads to me like a power move. Yes, we'll pull

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<v Speaker 1>out the s S version of a red carpet for you,

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<v Speaker 1>but Hitler can make you wait here because you aren't

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<v Speaker 1>king any more. Won't you make yourself comfortable? They were

0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:50.880
<v Speaker 1>asked there's a lovely view of the snow capped mountains

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<v Speaker 1>out the window. Perhaps you've noted the light jade green

0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:58.840
<v Speaker 1>color scheme chosen by the fureer himself. They sat in

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<v Speaker 1>the home that Hitler her himself so loved. One year later,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, Homes and Gardens magazine would cover the place

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<v Speaker 1>like it was Jennifer Aniston's mansion in the Hollywood Hills.

0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Hitler quote has a passion about cut flowers in his home.

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<v Speaker 1>The article said, this place is mine, Hitler said in

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<v Speaker 1>the magazine interview, sounding like a millennial, impressed with his

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<v Speaker 1>first job. I built it with the money that I earned.

0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:28.480
<v Speaker 1>That money, of course, came from the sale of his

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<v Speaker 1>infamous anti Semitic book Mine comp which was banned in

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<v Speaker 1>Germany from the end of the war until twenty fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>At last, Hitler woke up from his nap. His wife

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<v Speaker 1>av Braun and deputy Furer Rudolph Hess told Wallace they

0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:49.000
<v Speaker 1>would keep her occupied. Wallace and David nodded at each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps David kissed his beautiful wife on the cheek, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the former King of England walked into the private

0:19:57.040 --> 0:20:01.239
<v Speaker 1>room with the then current Furer of Germany on the

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<v Speaker 1>eve of World War Two. The two men sat together

0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:10.440
<v Speaker 1>with teacups in front of them and talked about, Well,

0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:14.399
<v Speaker 1>we don't know what they talked about. Perhaps someday a

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<v Speaker 1>scandalous note about it will turn up on a scrap

0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:22.080
<v Speaker 1>of napkin. Maybe we'll never know. Maybe they discussed the

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote Jewish question as if it were a problem

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<v Speaker 1>of politics and not human being. Maybe they discussed the

0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:34.040
<v Speaker 1>strength of fascism and the weakness of democracy. Maybe they'd

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<v Speaker 1>discussed what they'd each seen on the front in World

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<v Speaker 1>War One. All of this is speculation. Maybe they talked

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<v Speaker 1>about dogs, or divorce or art. We don't know. Eventually

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<v Speaker 1>the meeting ended. The New York Times reported that Hitler

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<v Speaker 1>gave them a long, affectionate goodbye, holding both their hands,

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<v Speaker 1>and that when Hitler gave his salute, David raised his

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<v Speaker 1>arm and returned the Nazi high After the trip to Berlin,

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<v Speaker 1>David and Wallace returned to Paris. In nineteen forty. When

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<v Speaker 1>the Germans invaded France, David and Wallace fled southwest to

0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:17.680
<v Speaker 1>neutral Spain and then Portugal. The Germans hatched a plot

0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:20.960
<v Speaker 1>to kidnap him to use him to their advantage. But

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't materialize. Churchill appointed him Governor of the Bahamas,

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<v Speaker 1>a minor and almost embarrassing little post for any royal,

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<v Speaker 1>especially a former king. It was clear enough that Churchill

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<v Speaker 1>and the Crown were nervous about David's loyalties. The Bahamas

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<v Speaker 1>were as far as they could ship him off to

0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:47.400
<v Speaker 1>ensure he stayed away from Hitler. He and Wallace accepted

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<v Speaker 1>the post unhappily and stayed in the Bahamas until the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the war in nineteen There are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of rumors about this period that David knew of the

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<v Speaker 1>Allies war planned in Belgium and leaked them to the Germans,

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<v Speaker 1>That David wanted the Germans to bomb England his own country,

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<v Speaker 1>That President Roosevelt ordered surveillance on him when he and

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<v Speaker 1>Wallace visited Florida, in that the FBI had heard that

0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:21.560
<v Speaker 1>Wallace was sleeping with a German ambassador. All this, of course,

0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:25.280
<v Speaker 1>the Duke and the Crown have denied as misinterpretation or

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<v Speaker 1>misquoting or hearsay. What then, can we absolutely know well

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<v Speaker 1>that the former King of England definitely had more sympathy

0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:40.359
<v Speaker 1>for the Nazis during World War Two than could possibly

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<v Speaker 1>be comfortable for England or for us today, and that

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<v Speaker 1>basically covers the extent of the What what remains for

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<v Speaker 1>us to understand is the why? Was it simply naivete

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<v Speaker 1>or lack of foresight? Was the salute just instinctual politeness?

0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:05.200
<v Speaker 1>After all, in nineteen thirty nine, Roosevelt himself sent to St.

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<v Speaker 1>Louis a ship of Jewish refugees back to Europe to

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<v Speaker 1>be killed in the camps. Only one month after the

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<v Speaker 1>Duke's visit to Hitler, A teenaged Prince Philip, later to

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<v Speaker 1>become Queen Elizabeth's husband, was also photographed alongside Nazis at

0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:27.520
<v Speaker 1>his sister's funeral in Germany. But maybe the source of

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<v Speaker 1>the support was something deeper. Was it David's deep desire

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<v Speaker 1>for peace among the nations? Maybe he genuinely thought a

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<v Speaker 1>dictatorship was a better governing system than a democracy or

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<v Speaker 1>a weakened constitutional monarchy after witnessing the horrors of World

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<v Speaker 1>War One. Maybe he thought appeasing Hitler was the way

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<v Speaker 1>toward peace, But of course the Nazis were far from peaceful.

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<v Speaker 1>If David's noble goal was less suffering, then we have

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<v Speaker 1>to ask for who which brings us of course to racism.

0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:09.240
<v Speaker 1>David was known to make derogatory comments about Jewish people,

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<v Speaker 1>Indigenous Australians, and who he called quote the Negro, though

0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:19.520
<v Speaker 1>he and Wallace Simpson did also work to improve labor

0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:23.280
<v Speaker 1>rights and infant health for the largely black population of

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<v Speaker 1>the Bahamas, where they would spend much of the Second

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<v Speaker 1>World War. It feels strange to even try to tease

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<v Speaker 1>out how racist a person's individual views are when they

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<v Speaker 1>were rubbing elbows with Hitler. But when we're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out David's motivations here, I think it's worth noting

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<v Speaker 1>that on a personal level, David probably wasn't in full

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<v Speaker 1>philosophical alignment with how vile and violent Hitler's ideas on

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<v Speaker 1>racial purity were. But David was more than willing to

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<v Speaker 1>overlook those horrific policies and socialize with an Nazi high brass.

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<v Speaker 1>So why though David told himself a narrative about preserving peace,

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<v Speaker 1>In my opinion, at the end of the day, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a matter of ego and self interest. David's much

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<v Speaker 1>loved bride was never treated well by his family or

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<v Speaker 1>the British Royals, but over in Germany, Hitler was all

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<v Speaker 1>too happy to flatter her. Rumor had it that David

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<v Speaker 1>dreamed of actually being reinstated as king with Wallace as

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<v Speaker 1>queen after Hitler's victory with the support of German troops

0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:39.600
<v Speaker 1>against the British people. The two of them felt so

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<v Speaker 1>excluded by the British monarchy that Hitler and the Germans

0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:49.040
<v Speaker 1>represented a promise to be included. But before you feel

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<v Speaker 1>even a moment of sympathy for David or pity for

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<v Speaker 1>his naivete, remember David's very presence was serving as a

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<v Speaker 1>support to Hitler and origin gime that would go on

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<v Speaker 1>to slaughter six million Jews in concentration camps during the Holocaust,

0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:12.159
<v Speaker 1>a regime that would methodically murder Romani people, homosexuals, political dissenters,

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<v Speaker 1>and people with disabilities. By the time that David arrived

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<v Speaker 1>in Germany in nineteen thirty seven, the reich Stock had

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<v Speaker 1>already passed laws restricting citizenship to only quote racially pure Germans.

0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:31.520
<v Speaker 1>They had already banned intermarriage and sexual relationships between Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>people and those of quote German or related blood in

0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:40.199
<v Speaker 1>order to protect their racial purity. By nineteen thirty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish businesses were being quote orionized, Jewish employees dismissed, and

0:26:45.800 --> 0:26:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Jewish business owners forced to sell their licenses for pennies

0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:54.320
<v Speaker 1>to non Jewish Germans. Jewish lawyers had their licenses revoked,

0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:58.920
<v Speaker 1>and Jewish doctors were forbidden from practicing medicine on non Jews.

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<v Speaker 1>The very next year, all Jewish Germans with names that

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:08.000
<v Speaker 1>weren't explicitly Jewish would be forced to add either Sarah

0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:14.480
<v Speaker 1>or Israel as middle names. Legally, when David arrived in Germany,

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:18.160
<v Speaker 1>he would have seen the signs across the country reading

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Juden sent here unevencht. Jews are not wanted here, and

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<v Speaker 1>still David smiled for the cameras. Whether or not David

0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:32.480
<v Speaker 1>was thinking about the horrors that were currently happening in

0:27:32.560 --> 0:27:36.399
<v Speaker 1>Germany at the time, or simply permitting himself not to

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:41.879
<v Speaker 1>think about them, those horrors were absolutely already present, and

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:45.520
<v Speaker 1>David was willing to happily turn the other cheek in

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<v Speaker 1>order to serve his own personal interests. Perhaps he would

0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:53.800
<v Speaker 1>be reinstated king one day, seated next to his beloved

0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:57.440
<v Speaker 1>twice divorced Queen, even if he had to be put

0:27:57.480 --> 0:28:06.920
<v Speaker 1>there by force. After the war, David did not retake

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:10.720
<v Speaker 1>the throne, he settled in France with Wallace. After all

0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:14.480
<v Speaker 1>his many affairs, he likely wound up faithful and ever

0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:18.560
<v Speaker 1>adoring towards Wallace, even as the rumors of her philandering

0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:23.359
<v Speaker 1>never stopped. His brother Bertie died in nineteen fifty two,

0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:28.280
<v Speaker 1>and Queen Elizabeth ascended to the throne, the unlikely monarch

0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:32.440
<v Speaker 1>queen only because of David's abdication, which would also pave

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<v Speaker 1>the way for Charles and Diana and William and Harry

0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 1>and all of the tabloid royals we know today. Queen

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth did have some small relationship with her uncle David,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was never admitted back into the royal fold.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen fifty one, David wrote a memoir of his

0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:56.000
<v Speaker 1>early life, The King's Story, which was absolutely torn to

0:28:56.040 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 1>shreds critically descriptions like inconceivable anality and monumental artificiality pepper

0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:08.240
<v Speaker 1>the reviews, but the audience score was certified fresh and

0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 1>the book was a best seller. Not to be outdone,

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Wallace wrote her own teller, The Heart Has Its Reasons,

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<v Speaker 1>which went through multiple ghost writers who accused her of

0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:25.600
<v Speaker 1>dishonesty before the book sold terribly. Finally, following one last

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<v Speaker 1>bedside visit from Queen Elizabeth in Paris. The Duke of Windsor,

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<v Speaker 1>David died of throat cancer on May seventy two. He

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<v Speaker 1>was seventy seven years old. He was buried in the

0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:43.720
<v Speaker 1>Royal Burial Ground in England. Wallace outlived him by fifteen

0:29:43.800 --> 0:29:48.040
<v Speaker 1>years before being buried beside him. As of only seven

0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 1>years before his death, they had been planning to be

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<v Speaker 1>buried at the Green Mount Cemetery in Baltimore, final resting

0:29:56.200 --> 0:30:01.320
<v Speaker 1>place of famous American trader John Wilkes Booth, Lincoln's assassin,

0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:05.800
<v Speaker 1>and those photos of the Duke with Hitler, which live

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:09.520
<v Speaker 1>on more than anything. There a vision of an alternate

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:13.520
<v Speaker 1>path that history could have taken, the sheer unlikelihood of

0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:18.360
<v Speaker 1>the path we did take. To think, had Wallace's earlier

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<v Speaker 1>marriage been happy, perhaps we would have had a King

0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:25.960
<v Speaker 1>of England who supported the Nazis. Perhaps the world order

0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:30.560
<v Speaker 1>would look unrecognizable to us today. Hitler himself said so

0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:35.400
<v Speaker 1>quote if he had stayed meaning on the throne, everything

0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:39.640
<v Speaker 1>would have been different end quote. But also, as David

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<v Speaker 1>said on CBS while promoting those tell Alls, quote, we

0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:47.280
<v Speaker 1>both feel that there is no more wasteful or foolish

0:30:47.440 --> 0:30:51.640
<v Speaker 1>or frustrating exercise than trying to penetrate the fiction of

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 1>what might have been end quote. As for the most

0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 1>scandalous of those photos, the image of David raising his

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:04.520
<v Speaker 1>arm in the Nazi salute in when that photo went

0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:16.640
<v Speaker 1>up for sale at auction, nobody bought it. That's the

0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:20.240
<v Speaker 1>story of the short reign of England Nazi king. But

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<v Speaker 1>stick around after a brief sponsor break to hear a

0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:27.000
<v Speaker 1>little bit more about the wild history of the Marburg Files.

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<v Speaker 1>As I was researching this episode, something kept sticking out

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<v Speaker 1>to me the speed at which people do conflate a

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:51.560
<v Speaker 1>Nazi sympathizer king with the possibility of a Nazi England.

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, those photos of Edward the eight are shocking.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm an American and I'm here thinking was an

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<v Speaker 1>England even then meant to be a representative democracy? Isn't

0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:08.400
<v Speaker 1>it the Prime Minister Chamberlain and then Churchill who made

0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 1>the political decisions while the monarchy was just a figurehead.

0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:17.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the parliament serves the people right. Well, nothing

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:21.360
<v Speaker 1>shows the clash of the American versus the British government's

0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:25.640
<v Speaker 1>approach to monarchy quite like the history of the Marburg Files.

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<v Speaker 1>These were the four hundred tons of Nazi Germany's Foreign

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<v Speaker 1>ministry archives discovered in and assembled in Marburg Castle. This

0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:40.600
<v Speaker 1>is not the castle that inspired Disney. That honor belongs

0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:43.760
<v Speaker 1>to a different German castle covered in this podcast, but

0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:47.760
<v Speaker 1>it looks like a cousin. Within this massive trove of

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<v Speaker 1>archives were the Windsor Files, documents pertaining to David's activities

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<v Speaker 1>during the war. Unsurprisingly, these files suggested Nazi sympathy on

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<v Speaker 1>the part of the former king. Unsurprisingly, the British royal

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<v Speaker 1>family wanted the files suppressed. Perhaps more surprisingly, though, the

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<v Speaker 1>Royals weren't alone. The people and entities pushing American historians

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<v Speaker 1>not to publish the documents ranged from Winston Churchill to

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<v Speaker 1>Dwight D. Eisenhower. The U. S. State Department got word

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<v Speaker 1>that the British government would simply inform the American editors

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<v Speaker 1>which documents to leave out in deference to the feelings

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<v Speaker 1>of the widowed queen mother David Mom. Churchill himself told

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<v Speaker 1>Eisenhower the quote historical importance of the document was quote negligible,

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<v Speaker 1>while publishing them would cause the Duke quote distress and injury. Essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>U S editors and academics were treated as though they

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<v Speaker 1>were operating at the pleasure of the hurt feelings of

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<v Speaker 1>the British monarchy. Didn't we fight a revolution about this?

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<v Speaker 1>Were American historians really meant to defer to the English

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<v Speaker 1>royal sense of embarrassment? Parliament, the Crown, the White House.

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<v Speaker 1>They all cited a duty to the grievance and pain

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<v Speaker 1>of the powerful royal family. I would argue, what about

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<v Speaker 1>a duty to history and the many, many victims of

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<v Speaker 1>World War two wartime? Ally ship can only go so far.

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<v Speaker 1>The Windsor files were finally published in nineteen fifty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as we know, editor Paul R. Sweet says

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<v Speaker 1>they're intact. He also notes that they were published with

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<v Speaker 1>a statement from the Queen's Stationary Office quote, the German

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<v Speaker 1>records are necessarily a much tainted source. This is undoubtedly correct.

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<v Speaker 1>They are German wartime documents. They likely have an agenda,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is odd to spend so much energy on

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<v Speaker 1>covering up a thing that isn't true. Noble Blood is

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