Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome listeners and watchers of the Therapy Gecko podcast.
Speaker 2: My name is Lyle. You might or might not know that.
Speaker 2: It's fine.
Speaker 1: It is the fourth of July as of the day
Speaker 1: I'm recording this. I am here in Washington Square Park
Speaker 1: in New York City, one of my favorite places on
Speaker 1: the planet, and every time I come here, it's so lively,
Speaker 1: it's so beautiful.
Speaker 2: It's excruciatingly hot.
Speaker 1: But that's okay, because I sometimes feel as though temperature
Speaker 1: is a thing that can be mentally mastered, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like if I believe that I am
Speaker 1: not excruciatingly hot and sweating to death right now, Like
Speaker 1: if I ignore that, you know, if I'm so engrossed
Speaker 1: in the conversation that I am having that I am
Speaker 1: forgetting about how hot I am. I think I can
Speaker 1: beat the heat. And so that's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be so engrossed in these conversations today that
Speaker 1: I will not even even be thinking about the temperature,
Speaker 1: and I will prove that all physical ailments are simply
Speaker 1: of the mind, or or or they won't and I'll
Speaker 1: have a heat stroke and die. But either way, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna talk to people as a get go.
Speaker 3: Let's do it.
Speaker 4: My name is Judah.
Speaker 3: Judah.
Speaker 2: Nice to meet you, mans, pleasure to meet you.
Speaker 1: Like all right, So I'm gonna give some context real quick.
Speaker 1: A lot of the times, like when I walk over
Speaker 1: here to like set this stuff up, I'll encounter people
Speaker 1: off camera and we'll have a little chit chat because
Speaker 1: there's so many interesting characters here at the spark. And
Speaker 1: so I saw you, Judah, on my way over here
Speaker 1: to set up, and you had a little table and
Speaker 1: two chairs, and I believe you had a little sign,
Speaker 1: the little sign what's what did the signs say?
Speaker 5: The sign today said what sparks your Ah, damn, I
Speaker 5: already can't remember. I think I said what sparks your imagination?
Speaker 5: What sparks of curiosity? Or like something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 5: something like that.
Speaker 1: And so you had a sign, and I was it's
Speaker 1: like we're kindred, we're kindred spirits, as they say, both
Speaker 1: set up in the park to you know, have conversations.
Speaker 4: I mean, my sign is in green.
Speaker 3: But well, here's what.
Speaker 1: I thought was really interesting about you is I was
Speaker 1: talking to you and I was like I came up
Speaker 1: to you and I was like, hey, man, are you
Speaker 1: making content?
Speaker 3: And you were like, no, I'm just chatting with people.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my god, you're so uh You're
Speaker 1: so much.
Speaker 3: Pure of a human being than I am.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like, uh, I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: honest to God, swear in my life.
Speaker 3: This is something I would really enjoy doing.
Speaker 6: Even if there wasn't if there wasn't a camera a
Speaker 6: camera here, but I I like, uh.
Speaker 5: You know, I like this so many good lines and
Speaker 5: they have to be captured and they have to be shared.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, like who else will talk about,
Speaker 5: you know, their knees exploding in chain mail? Like it's
Speaker 5: someone's got to capture that. Yeah, that's that's your role.
Speaker 3: Well that's yours. So let's talk about this.
Speaker 1: You you said you've been doing chats with people in the.
Speaker 4: Park for six years.
Speaker 5: I just set up a table, two chairs and assign
Speaker 5: different forward question each time, and people can write in
Speaker 5: this little journal if they want, But it's really about
Speaker 5: the conversation.
Speaker 4: I got inspired because there were just a lot.
Speaker 5: Of I mean, there's a lot of characters all over
Speaker 5: the world, especially in the city, especially in Washington Square Park,
Speaker 5: and I didn't want to walk up to people and
Speaker 5: be like hey and start talking to them, or stick
Speaker 5: a microphone on their face or something. So I want
Speaker 5: to create a platform. So the best I could come
Speaker 5: up with was a table and two chairs and sat
Speaker 5: down and wait to see what happened. And you know
Speaker 5: a lot of people, when given the chance to express themselves,
Speaker 5: they will and if you kind of approach them with
Speaker 5: no judgment, with an open mind and just an open ear,
Speaker 5: people will be vulnerable. People will open up, and it's
Speaker 5: a beautiful thing when they do.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, it's so interesting because, like, again, you
Speaker 1: and I we were essentially doing the same thing, but
Speaker 1: there's such a different dynamic to the fact that you
Speaker 1: just do it and you don't have a camera rolling
Speaker 1: or a microphone roll.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, tell me about that.
Speaker 1: Do you think that if that significantly affects your conversation?
Speaker 5: So it's so interesting because like I would ask people, hey,
Speaker 5: like if there was a camera here, do you think
Speaker 5: you did answer different? It's a mix. Some people said yes,
Speaker 5: some people said no. But I actually, just recently, just
Speaker 5: the last couple of times I did it. I actually
Speaker 5: have a microphone now because it's just sitting there it's conspicuous.
Speaker 5: It's not like, you know, not a microphone like this,
Speaker 5: just a recorder. Because I had way too many conversations
Speaker 5: that were just absolute gold, and in so many ways
Speaker 5: it's like, really stuff that I don't necessarily need to share,
Speaker 5: but I definitely want to recollect on and like refer
Speaker 5: back to from my own reference. And it was just
Speaker 5: slipping through my fingers. Like I looked back at my
Speaker 5: journal from three years ago and been like, just had
Speaker 5: the most mind bending conversation about life with Lyle, and
Speaker 5: I wouldn't have know the fuck they said, I just
Speaker 5: will have no recollection of it whatsoever, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: And I felt like, Okay, so this is sliding through
Speaker 5: my fingers and I want to be able to potentially
Speaker 5: turn this into some art in the future. So I
Speaker 5: don't know, and probably I like writing, so probably writing base,
Speaker 5: but I just have no real recollection and I wasn't
Speaker 5: disciplined enough after each time to go and write about
Speaker 5: it or anything like that, so instead I was like,
Speaker 5: let me just start recording and then I can work
Speaker 5: with it later. I have a little disclaimer. It just
Speaker 5: says like, if you'd like not to be recorded, let
Speaker 5: me know and we'll see. So far it's been people
Speaker 5: have been just as you know, the same. But I'm
Speaker 5: sure for some people if there's a recorder there, they
Speaker 5: would be different.
Speaker 3: So how did you first get into doing this?
Speaker 4: Well, I was just it was just curious. I mean
Speaker 4: I was just sitting here. I was really high. I
Speaker 4: was like, damn, there's a lot of really cool stories
Speaker 4: around here, aren't there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But again, like es suchally as a man walking up
Speaker 5: to people, they're gonna be like, what's the catch? You know, like,
Speaker 5: what's the what's in it for you? Why are you
Speaker 5: talking to me? Sure, that's New York City in a nutshell.
Speaker 5: But once you kind of make it more consensual and
Speaker 5: they come over like hey, what's this? Just like you did,
Speaker 5: you know, you'll find that people just willing to chat.
Speaker 3: Well, it's nice for I like doing the form.
Speaker 1: I'm not a big I mean sometimes I've done that,
Speaker 1: but like you know, like the running Gun Street interviewers
Speaker 1: like like I feel.
Speaker 5: Like, uh, yeah, it's nice to set up a thing.
Speaker 5: I mean, like people can come to you because you're
Speaker 5: creating a space. You're not catching people unaware. Like it's
Speaker 5: it's like right now when we're doing this like, yes,
Speaker 5: we're in the park, but this is a space. It's
Speaker 5: not just because you set up chairs a sign and
Speaker 5: everything right right, and of course you can't.
Speaker 4: Forget the get Go park.
Speaker 3: So I feel, how did you start doing this?
Speaker 5: So I just one day, I just got a table
Speaker 5: two chairs off Facebook marketplace and just sat.
Speaker 1: And there was no like, there was no impetus, there
Speaker 1: was no no like real trigger.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 5: I mean I think like a two years earlier, I'd
Speaker 5: seen someone set up with like a big folding table
Speaker 5: with a microphone that said tell me your secrets.
Speaker 4: And I asked him. I was like, hey, people actually
Speaker 4: tell you the secrets. He goes Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was like, you'll just you just hear people will
Speaker 5: just come up just build their secrets to a microphone.
Speaker 5: He goes, Man, I've heard the wildest shit. You wouldn't
Speaker 5: even know the half of it. And I think that
Speaker 5: was like I planted a seed. Sure, and then I
Speaker 5: was high and unemployed six years ago and then was like,
Speaker 5: screw it, let me try what's what's that can happen?
Speaker 5: I spent a nice day in the park, and what
Speaker 5: inspired you to dress up as a get go and
Speaker 5: put green on your face and get people to just
Speaker 5: be themselves.
Speaker 1: Well, I started doing this as like a I mainly
Speaker 1: do it as like a phone call, right thing?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: But today I actually, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 1: I actually I sat down to record the phone call
Speaker 1: version of this podcast. This episode was gonna be a
Speaker 1: phone call episode, and I got like twenty minutes in
Speaker 1: and I was like, I cannot sit in this room
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 3: I have to go outside.
Speaker 1: So I was like, it was basically like, right now
Speaker 1: is my version of like, you know what, it's a
Speaker 1: nice day, let's do class outside today kind of a thing.
Speaker 5: Wait, so do people just like do you say when
Speaker 5: you're going live and then people ring in?
Speaker 4: Like how does that work?
Speaker 3: I go live on Twitch and people okay, got it?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But so I have a question for you. Do you
Speaker 1: do you consider yourself an open book? Do you talk
Speaker 1: a lot about your like, what was it? What was
Speaker 1: your question today? What sparks your It was?
Speaker 4: Damn it was? What what sparks? What memory sparks?
Speaker 5: Joy?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 7: Joy? For you?
Speaker 2: Do you answer your own questions?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 5: I really want to tell you, but I know you
Speaker 5: have a large platform, but fuck.
Speaker 4: It, I'm gonna do it anyway.
Speaker 5: I was on a very powerful psychedelic with my friends
Speaker 5: on on a lake, a frozen lake in.
Speaker 4: February, not this past we'd a February and we were
Speaker 4: we we we we.
Speaker 5: Took we took acid and we just went outside, not
Speaker 5: really knowing it was cold, but we're like we played
Speaker 5: it for eight hours like little kids, just like a
Speaker 5: running around, you know, like your mom could just like
Speaker 5: let you out of the house and you'd just come
Speaker 5: back eight hours later and yeah you did who knows what,
Speaker 5: but you had a great time. Yeah, it was exact
Speaker 5: because like we you know, often when you're on psychodols,
Speaker 5: you kind of have like a childlike wonder and we
Speaker 5: were just playing on the lake and there was this
Speaker 5: one moment where we had this game where the lake
Speaker 5: was frozen and we would run as fast as we
Speaker 5: can without slipping, and then like slide as far as
Speaker 5: we could and we just like you could get the
Speaker 5: fur this, you know, yeah, and we're all like giggling
Speaker 5: twenty five year old kid, you know, like it was
Speaker 5: fun as hell. And at one point we just like
Speaker 5: pause and the sun was setting and it was we're
Speaker 5: in this valley and like the mountains were We're lit
Speaker 5: up this orange hue and it was like beautiful, and
Speaker 5: it it like stunned. It stunned us, like we stunned
Speaker 5: us into silence. And at that moment, as we're stunned
Speaker 5: to silence, there's this huge v formation of geese like
Speaker 5: passing over, like migrating or something, and there's like a
Speaker 5: squawk and there's this lone squawk that just echoes through
Speaker 5: this pristine valley, and I was it felt like I
Speaker 5: was in a painting.
Speaker 4: And we just look at each other. We were like,
Speaker 4: that was such.
Speaker 5: A moment that was just pure and wholesome and beautiful,
Speaker 5: and fuck, I think we've peaked.
Speaker 3: And by the way, first of all, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: But first of all, the funny thing to me that
Speaker 1: I was gonna say is like when you when you
Speaker 1: were like, oh, I want to tell this story, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if I should.
Speaker 3: I was expecting something way worse than just you took it.
Speaker 4: This is acid. Yeah, honestly, it's not that big a video.
Speaker 4: This is everyone here and.
Speaker 3: This radius of us are on acid right now.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: That's that's really beautiful, though, that's really yeah. How many
Speaker 1: of your friends were there?
Speaker 4: It was three of my friends.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it was the only time that group of
Speaker 5: was like, you know, different disparate friends from different groups,
Speaker 5: but it was the only time that the four of
Speaker 5: us got together. And god damn it was a good group.
Speaker 3: How long was it?
Speaker 7: That was.
Speaker 4: Five years five or six years ago?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Probably around the time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, twenty nineteen, so a long time ago, chasing
Speaker 5: that high ever since?
Speaker 1: Really you so you say that that that you peaked, right,
Speaker 1: do you believe in I you know, it's funny. I've
Speaker 1: been thinking about that concept, the concept of peaking and like,
Speaker 1: you know, having best stages of your life and you know,
Speaker 1: is youth better than being eighty or you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like like can you put qualitative?
Speaker 2: Can you? Can you?
Speaker 1: Can you objectively? Or I know, I guess it's not earticularly, Okay?
Speaker 1: Do you have subjective definitions of parts of your life
Speaker 1: that were better or worse than others?
Speaker 3: I got?
Speaker 5: I got, Well, I think you know, if you're going
Speaker 5: through some big life changes or there's harm to people
Speaker 5: in your life, yeah, that can be worse for sure.
Speaker 5: But I think what you're what I think you're alluding
Speaker 5: to is the fact that you know, people look on
Speaker 5: youth and they're like, oh, it was so good to
Speaker 5: be young, And in many ways it is right, Like
Speaker 5: you're in some of the best health of your life.
Speaker 4: You can do some of the most stuff in your life.
Speaker 5: You know, you're in many cases, so you know, the
Speaker 5: most attractive you'll be in your life for you know,
Speaker 5: for some people.
Speaker 4: Subjectively, Again, I'm not saying that'scessily true.
Speaker 2: We're seeing Helen Mirren and Zaddi's bro.
Speaker 5: I mean that's like in there right now. I'm hoping
Speaker 5: to be a Zaddy myself. But actually it's interesting you
Speaker 5: clue that, the clue into deeper into that bring it
Speaker 5: back to psychedelics. As a child, everything is so new,
Speaker 5: and as you move through the world and your building
Speaker 5: this model of the world, and it's like whoa, Like
Speaker 5: everything's cool, exciting, Like even just something like going to
Speaker 5: a new place is like whoa. But as you get
Speaker 5: older and it's not. It's as you get more experience
Speaker 5: that you also get more routine. You start packing more
Speaker 5: things into your life, Like how many times do you
Speaker 5: remember brushing your teeth? No, I do exactly, You don't
Speaker 5: remember the distinct times. You've done it thousands of times,
Speaker 5: but you don't really remember it because your brain just
Speaker 5: condenses it.
Speaker 3: I can probably count how many times I've lost though.
Speaker 4: Don't we all right?
Speaker 5: You know, as a dentist always says that, right, But
Speaker 5: you know, but at the end of the day, like, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's gonna hang out with the same people, you do
Speaker 5: the same things. Your brain's gonna condense it down, right, So,
Speaker 5: and as you get older, you just get more to
Speaker 5: the same people, so your brain just shrinks time. And
Speaker 5: it's like, you know, that's why youth seems like it's
Speaker 5: so long and so exciting.
Speaker 4: But if you live your life differently. And I've spoke and.
Speaker 3: Yo, oh hey you know that you know this guy.
Speaker 4: He's a great guy.
Speaker 2: What's your name?
Speaker 8: I got I'm at I just had six vegan hot
Speaker 8: dogs today.
Speaker 1: It's six vegan hot dogs. How much is that? Is
Speaker 1: that the equivalent of zero regular hot dogs?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 7: Yeah? Yeah? Calorie wise like nutrient efficiency?
Speaker 2: Yeah, how many calories are in six vegan hot dogs?
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 8: They didn't tell me. They wouldn't tell me any details
Speaker 8: behind it. Who's they the guy that ran the hot
Speaker 8: dog getting contest. Oh I only had six, but the
Speaker 8: winner had ten.
Speaker 4: You weren't that far off.
Speaker 7: I know, I was so close. I could have had it.
Speaker 7: Wait but my interrupting therapy right now.
Speaker 3: A little bit.
Speaker 2: But that's that's okay, okay, it's all part of it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we all therapize in our own way.
Speaker 3: Well, uh, you know, is the green?
Speaker 7: Does that work as sunscreen?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, no, I'm probably in some form of physical danger
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 7: Do you have ac under there?
Speaker 3: No? No, but a nice gust of wind just came by.
Speaker 2: That's nice, it's nice.
Speaker 8: I'm a good gus. Come on, and I love this
Speaker 8: guy too. Judah yo, Juda is the man. I don't
Speaker 8: know why he would be in there because he's so cool.
Speaker 4: And wait this but hey, everybody needs there?
Speaker 3: What this is this? Wait? How do you know this guy?
Speaker 7: You're a Canadian coin?
Speaker 3: Wait, that's a Canadian coin.
Speaker 4: Looks like it. He actually sat down to my little project.
Speaker 1: Oh, this guy, Adam sat down on your What did
Speaker 1: you and Adam talk about?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 4: You remember the years ago?
Speaker 7: It was like two years ago. But it turns out
Speaker 7: I learned that he also went to Binghamton like me.
Speaker 4: Oh really went in college.
Speaker 8: We have different entrepreneurial ambitions and we're similar in a
Speaker 8: lot of whiz.
Speaker 2: That's cool. Wait, wait when did you When did you
Speaker 2: guys meet two years ago?
Speaker 4: We met it?
Speaker 3: All right, okay, yeah, I guess you guys are still friends,
Speaker 3: it seems.
Speaker 4: And then I saw him in the park a couple
Speaker 4: of weeks here. Yeah, hey, I know you.
Speaker 7: We were doing we were doing a giant hug. We're
Speaker 7: doing this thing called a super hug.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Have you ever heard of this?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 7: I so you would be very much about this.
Speaker 3: Well, maybe what's a super hug?
Speaker 7: Basically, you put.
Speaker 8: Your left arm up, another person puts their left arm up,
Speaker 8: and then you touch hearts and they give a deep
Speaker 8: hug for at least like I think ten seconds.
Speaker 2: Like a virgin orgy kind of Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8: Like a safe orgy. It's like a family friendly orgy.
Speaker 8: Man like you legitimately like feel calmer afterwards.
Speaker 3: Did you have you hugged anyone today?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: You want to hug?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 4: All right, we got a hug for the cameras.
Speaker 2: They're hugging right now.
Speaker 1: Wow, look at that Pride Month has extended into July.
Speaker 2: You guys are hugging a long time. You can.
Speaker 1: You can slap, but you cannot. Okay, makes sense. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna I'm just gonna sit here while they hug that.
Speaker 4: Released the ox, that released the serotonin.
Speaker 7: Do you want to get go?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 6: Uh uh? Sorry, I have to finish this interview. But later,
Speaker 6: later we can do that.
Speaker 2: Good to see you too, Mane.
Speaker 5: How was that Hug released some serotonin? Yeah, that's feel squeezed.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wait, I have completely forgot what we were talking about
Speaker 3: before him, but.
Speaker 5: I oh yeah, no, don't condense your memories. Live you
Speaker 5: can live life differently. I spoke to old people who
Speaker 5: lived there.
Speaker 4: They're like, oh, my best life was, My best time
Speaker 4: was in my sixties.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that I've had.
Speaker 1: I remember coming out here to do this podcast and
Speaker 1: I talked to some guy who was like fifty eight,
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, life's the best it's ever been.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, I think I think it's it's it's bullshit of
Speaker 5: the youth, that youth has to be the best.
Speaker 4: Like I think our society tells us that, our media
Speaker 4: tells us that.
Speaker 5: But honestly, no, he's I think your best times are
Speaker 5: it's in it's here it's how you react to things
Speaker 5: that happen in your life. Not your life will always
Speaker 5: be happening. Questions are you gonna how you gonna react
Speaker 5: to it?
Speaker 1: My dad is sixty six years old, and I was
Speaker 1: I was talking to him on the phone like last week,
Speaker 1: and he was like, you know, I've noticed that the
Speaker 1: less years I have left on this earth, the less
Speaker 1: anxiety I have. And I and I it's true, I
Speaker 1: think he's like he like, you know, it's fine. I'm
Speaker 1: twenty seven and I'm like always I'm like having like
Speaker 1: weird excidental crisis about death and whatnot. But it's like
Speaker 1: you see, like those dudes in their seventies just it's
Speaker 1: like just chilling. They don't even yeah they're not they're
Speaker 1: and they actually they you know, they could die any
Speaker 1: fucking day.
Speaker 2: And it's like, well, it's one of.
Speaker 5: Those things that like, you know, when you have the
Speaker 5: prospect of it being taken away, then I feel like
Speaker 5: you can also value it more. Like you get a
Speaker 5: cold and you're like, fuck, I just want to breathe
Speaker 5: again through my nostrils, right, But then once you can,
Speaker 5: you totally forget all about that.
Speaker 3: So Judoh, what's your what's next for you in life?
Speaker 4: Next?
Speaker 2: Your ultimate dream goal?
Speaker 4: What not ultimate dream goal? I want to live a
Speaker 4: day without time?
Speaker 3: You want to live a day without time?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You mean like oday where you don't check your.
Speaker 5: Like I just do never know what I wake up
Speaker 5: and I go to sleep without ever once knowing what
Speaker 5: time it was.
Speaker 3: What's skipping you from doing that.
Speaker 4: Myself? Honestly?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean do you have any meetings? Do you
Speaker 4: have the meetings? Meetings? I just got laid off, so
Speaker 4: you know, let's I got no meetings.
Speaker 2: What were you?
Speaker 5: What did you get laid off from some technol tech bros?
Speaker 4: It like an AI web three AI AI thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm gonna look for my next AI thing
Speaker 5: to hopefully not make a part of my personality at all.
Speaker 3: So you but you were working in AI? Yeah, something
Speaker 3: like that, so as you know.
Speaker 1: But I have a curious about your perspective as somebody
Speaker 1: who both values genuine human connection and has worked in AI.
Speaker 1: Do you think that, uh, do you think AI is
Speaker 1: coming for genuine human connection or do you think will
Speaker 1: be Okay?
Speaker 5: I think a lot of the same people who are
Speaker 5: relying on technology now for connection and it's not doing
Speaker 5: the same thing, arguably the same people who rely on
Speaker 5: AI for connection, and we'll be doing the same thing,
Speaker 5: but we're there.
Speaker 4: Will be easier. I do I do worry. I do worry.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's a lot a lot of kids now
Speaker 5: we're using it as therapists. I and it's not even bad.
Speaker 5: Have you tried using AI for therapy?
Speaker 3: I use AA for therapy all the time.
Speaker 5: Actually, yeah, it's pretty good in it. Yeah, it's got
Speaker 5: it's he's got some pretty objective, well well grounded.
Speaker 3: I genuinely do I like AI for therapy. It's just
Speaker 3: you have to.
Speaker 1: I think when people try to make it like it's
Speaker 1: not a friend, it's not your friend.
Speaker 3: It doesn't it's not you don't, it doesn't love you people.
Speaker 5: But people do re lean on it as such, and
Speaker 5: I think there will be people who do. But there's
Speaker 5: also gonn be a generation of kids who look at
Speaker 5: this and be like fuck that counterculture, and they'll be
Speaker 5: anti I. They'll be anti tech, they'll have flip phones
Speaker 5: and all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they re do.
Speaker 4: They were doing that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was talking to someone.
Speaker 1: I went to this like film festival at a dive bar,
Speaker 1: like a few weeks ago, and I was talking to
Speaker 1: this guy who's like in a band, and he was
Speaker 1: he was like in his thirties, and he was like
Speaker 1: talking about like, you know, being at this Like I
Speaker 1: was asking him, like what the punk scene is like now,
Speaker 1: and it's like there's still like you know, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen,
Speaker 1: eighteen year old kids who are like goss, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, there's still there, Like yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. They never look kind of crazy because
Speaker 1: it's like back at that, like people were doing that
Speaker 1: ship in.
Speaker 3: Like the eighties, and it's still they're on it.
Speaker 5: They're still under there's still underground raves. There's still you know,
Speaker 5: there's they like the kids will be all right, right.
Speaker 5: I think they'll be fucked up in their own way,
Speaker 5: as we were fucked up in our own way, as
Speaker 5: our parents are fucked up in their own way, but
Speaker 5: like they'll be all right.
Speaker 3: Do you feel do you feel sorry?
Speaker 1: I'm checking my ship to make sure you do you
Speaker 1: feel fucked up in any ways?
Speaker 4: Ooh, that's a good question.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think one of the reasons why I
Speaker 5: sit in the park and talk to strangers is because
Speaker 5: I have like a deep need I want to be
Speaker 5: liked by I want to I want to leave a
Speaker 5: positive impression with everybody I meet, not necessarily be liked,
Speaker 5: but at least leave a positive impression.
Speaker 1: I have that ex I have that exact same design,
Speaker 1: and like, I want to leave a positive impression. And
Speaker 1: I and I've had like times where because I sometimes
Speaker 1: people well both like in like my personal life and
Speaker 1: in my gecko life, like I I try to I
Speaker 1: want people to come away having a positive experience.
Speaker 6: For me, I fully submitted myself to the fact that
Speaker 6: it's just never gonna be a hundred You're never gonna
Speaker 6: be one hundred percent success.
Speaker 4: Do you think?
Speaker 5: What do you think of the differences in yourself between
Speaker 5: your real life and your get go life.
Speaker 3: Well, Gecko life is like.
Speaker 1: Like I'll tell I've told I've told the story on
Speaker 1: this podcast once, but I'll tell it to you. I'll
Speaker 1: tell it again. Is so I do like live shows
Speaker 1: where I dress up as the gecko, and and after
Speaker 1: after my shows, I do like a little like it's
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 3: It's like a free meet and green.
Speaker 1: I don't make people pay like a ticket price for it,
Speaker 1: and like I just stand around and I meet everyone
Speaker 1: after the shows. And I did a show in Austin,
Speaker 1: Texas once, and I said, there was like a hundred
Speaker 1: people in a line. I sat there for like said,
Speaker 1: there for like an hour and a half, like meeting everyone, like,
Speaker 1: and I was it was very important to me that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, in those interactions, like I want people to
Speaker 1: come away feeling good. And I was like thinking about
Speaker 1: that and I was, you know whatever, and I do it.
Speaker 1: And like there was like a security guard at the
Speaker 1: venue and he was like, I've never seen anyone who
Speaker 1: played this venue stay after the show and do that.
Speaker 3: And that made me feel so good. And then Judah, Yes.
Speaker 1: The next morning, I go, I'm this is just me
Speaker 1: being like mentally ill. I go, I checked my own subreddit,
Speaker 1: which is a thing you only do if you're mentally ill.
Speaker 1: And I looked and like, there's a post on my
Speaker 1: subreddit being like I am no longer a fan of Lyle.
Speaker 1: And it was like I was at Lyle's Austin show
Speaker 1: last night and I went to his meet and greet
Speaker 1: and I told him I was high, and he gave
Speaker 1: me a weird look and I told him and I
Speaker 1: also told him it was my birthday, and he for him.
Speaker 3: He did not even say happy birthday.
Speaker 1: And I was like, she was like, I got I
Speaker 1: bought merch and I'm trying to sell it if anyone
Speaker 1: wants to buy it.
Speaker 3: And I was like, come on, man, and you know, it's.
Speaker 4: The dangers of a parasocial relationship.
Speaker 1: I've told the story on the podcast for but whatever.
Speaker 1: Like it's fine. I told so. I told that story
Speaker 1: on the podcast and then I got a comment on
Speaker 1: on my podcast from her and she wrote something like
Speaker 1: she wrote like l O L sorry I was being
Speaker 1: a bitch or something, and I wrote back, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's totally cool man, happy late birthday, which was kind
Speaker 1: of nice because in life you never ever, ever, ever
Speaker 1: ever get closure like that.
Speaker 4: It's nice that even from a little interaction.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I have I have.
Speaker 1: Stuff like that where I'm like, uh, you know, or like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, you ever walk away from a conversation
Speaker 1: being like, oh man, I think I was pretty annoying
Speaker 1: in that conversation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was quite.
Speaker 5: Quite a few times. Yeah, it's an ever improving uh
Speaker 5: discipline in art to try to I think if you're
Speaker 5: not looking back and cringing, then you're not growing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4: I agree, you know, I agree. I'm still a firm
Speaker 4: believer in that.
Speaker 5: I feel like, you know, you you should probably try
Speaker 5: to keep the cringing less hard, but still keep cringing.
Speaker 4: Does that make sense?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you don want to beat yourself on Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: You want to have the I this is one of
Speaker 1: the things I feel like I talk about a lot.
Speaker 1: It's like there's an optimal level of conscientiousness to have,
Speaker 1: Like like some people are so conscientious and don't want
Speaker 1: to offend people so much and they don't want to
Speaker 1: cause any amount of ruckus, so they never take any
Speaker 1: chances or ever do anything ever, Okay. And then there's
Speaker 1: some people who are not consciousness at all, conscientious at all,
Speaker 1: and they just like fucking full send it all the
Speaker 1: time every day, which of course lends people in trouble
Speaker 1: as well. So you want to have the right I
Speaker 1: feel like you want to have the right amount of conscientiousness,
Speaker 1: skewing towards having less conscientiousness.
Speaker 4: I you know what I think, I think I agree
Speaker 4: with that. It's an Aristotle's golden Yeah.
Speaker 6: Aristotle's gold to me, of course, of course, is that
Speaker 6: is that did he come up.
Speaker 5: With that well, he basically just said out with all
Speaker 5: types of qualities, like you know, between courage and cowardice,
Speaker 5: Like you know, if you're too courageous, you'll get yourself.
Speaker 4: Killed in combat.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're too you know, a coward you'll never stand
Speaker 5: up for anything, and there's something in between.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you an example. Your friend Adam. Yeah,
Speaker 1: seems like a nice guy. I really did not want
Speaker 1: to hug him.
Speaker 5: I know, I know, but he he is the kind
Speaker 5: of person who will want to hug everybody.
Speaker 1: But but but in my head, I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess in my head, I was like,
Speaker 1: I feel like kind of a jerk.
Speaker 4: I should have set up and be like, oh, got
Speaker 4: the keup on you.
Speaker 1: You know, no, it's not a big deal at all.
Speaker 1: But I was like, oh fuck, I'm being kind of it.
Speaker 1: But also it's like you have to you have to
Speaker 1: have the right amount of like ah whatever, just fucking
Speaker 1: hug the guy versus.
Speaker 3: Like, you know what, I don't I'm gonna not.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah no he yeah yeah. He Also I'll just
Speaker 5: he is a club promoter, was a club promoter.
Speaker 3: It seems like a nice gentleman.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, that's that's That's the the other thing I
Speaker 5: really know about him. To be honest, I don't remember
Speaker 5: anything else.
Speaker 3: People ask me this question all the time. I truly
Speaker 3: never know how to answer it.
Speaker 1: But what's the most memorable conversation you've had?
Speaker 4: M I mean, do you want me to get dark?
Speaker 2: Deep?
Speaker 4: Funny?
Speaker 3: I mean, let's do a dark one and a funny one.
Speaker 4: Dark one. I spoke to someone who he comes up
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 5: His skin's all yellow, not in a racist sense, like
Speaker 5: his jaundice, and he just goes, I got three months
Speaker 5: left to live. What advice would you give me? And
Speaker 5: I'm a twenty five year old kid. I was like, fuck,
Speaker 5: I don't remember what I said to him, but I
Speaker 5: remember he cried and we hugged, so I think it
Speaker 5: made a difference to him.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: I try to be as upbeat and positive as I could,
Speaker 5: but man, I mean that was a hard one. I mean,
Speaker 5: because all this stuff about it's gonna be all right
Speaker 5: and all that stuff. Young, he's like probably in a six.
Speaker 2: These you know, did you keep in touch with them
Speaker 2: at all?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 5: No, And he just walked away. And I mean, I
Speaker 5: think a lot of the beauty of the conversations is
Speaker 5: when they just kind of, you know, they don't keep going,
Speaker 5: you know, and it's just kind of that's the interaction
Speaker 5: of itself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's where you're like, did I hallucinate that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, so that was that was a heavy hitting one.
Speaker 4: I mean, uh, I don't know more in a more
Speaker 4: lighter sense.
Speaker 1: I guess, well before we move on, Yeah, I'm curious, Uh,
Speaker 1: how long did you talk to this guy for?
Speaker 5: It's hard to remember. I mean this is years ago,
Speaker 5: probably like half an hour or so. I mean most
Speaker 5: of my conversations go like thirty minutes to an hour.
Speaker 1: Yes, cry it together. Do you remember, Like what do
Speaker 1: you remember, like what it set? What was the point
Speaker 1: where you started tearing up? Or was it just kind
Speaker 1: of like a graduat.
Speaker 5: I think it's when we were trying to focus on
Speaker 5: what he had, what he had lived, and like examining
Speaker 5: the people who have been there for him and like
Speaker 5: taking gratitude for all that. Yeah, And we discussed how
Speaker 5: it's so difficult often to talk to the people who
Speaker 5: you love and tell them the things that you love
Speaker 5: about them. Like for some reason, people get really awkward
Speaker 5: when they start saying what they love about you and
Speaker 5: but like it's way easier to be critical and like
Speaker 5: because when someone makes you feel bad and to be like,
Speaker 5: well it's how you'd X Y and Z. But like,
Speaker 5: you know, we choke up and it's harder to get
Speaker 5: that out. I think we're talking about how he's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I haven't said that enough to the people I love
Speaker 5: in my life. I need to go back. I need
Speaker 5: to tell X, Y and Z this and.
Speaker 2: Who do they have to tell?
Speaker 4: And then you had a daughter. I believe you had
Speaker 4: a daughter.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and uh who he was like just getting back
Speaker 5: in touch with once he got his terminal illness. Yeah,
Speaker 5: sh it's not not not light, but it was it's real,
Speaker 5: you know, and it's it's real and it's happening around
Speaker 5: us all the time.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know it freaks me out a little bit. Is
Speaker 1: that death is not like an event at the end
Speaker 1: of your life. It happens every second. Interests think about
Speaker 1: death is a thing that happens every day, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: every moment once.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what I get essential about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you think it's well, there's two ways you could
Speaker 5: take that. You could be like, dead is happening around
Speaker 5: you to all the people around you. Eventually it hits you,
Speaker 5: right or you are dying every moment and you will
Speaker 5: never get the past to you back, and all you
Speaker 5: can do is move forward, which gets really inspirational.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's how I that's that's how I think
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's not a it's not I think it's a I
Speaker 1: think that that is. I was talking about the conscientiousness spectrum.
Speaker 1: I think that's an overly conscientious way to live, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, I think I think that's why.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you should.
Speaker 1: You should think about the fact that you're gonna die,
Speaker 1: because it puts a little bit of pressure on you
Speaker 1: to like do certain things.
Speaker 3: If you think about too much, you can see if
Speaker 3: you can't.
Speaker 5: Actually live every day like it's your last, otherwise you
Speaker 5: will not have a saving exactly.
Speaker 3: So exactly. Too much consciousness is bad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's bad.
Speaker 1: You don't want to be you want to again, there's
Speaker 1: optimal amounts of consciousness.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: Okay, what's the what's what's the funny one?
Speaker 4: Funny?
Speaker 5: Okay, funny is a hard one. Oh, there was a guy.
Speaker 5: There was a guy who spoke to me who all on.
Speaker 2: Sorry and keep talking, checking to make sure to speak
Speaker 2: to myself.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was there was this guy who he sat
Speaker 5: down and he just does this and he's like, hey,
Speaker 5: h what are you What are you doing here?
Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm just talking to people.
Speaker 5: And then he does this and he just like falls over,
Speaker 5: like falls over in the chair, like like spends like
Speaker 5: twenty seconds studying it. And I'm like Jesus christ Man,
Speaker 5: like are you okay? Yeah, he's a clown. He guy's
Speaker 5: a professional.
Speaker 3: Oh he's a clown.
Speaker 11: A professional.
Speaker 3: He's like he's a fucking asshole. That's such a dick thing.
Speaker 6: Well, he would have someone to me if someone came
Speaker 6: If someone came up and was like hey can I
Speaker 6: sit there and then just started like destroying my setup,
Speaker 6: I'd be like fuck you.
Speaker 4: In his defense, he was just moving the chair around.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: He was good. He was He wasn't like knocking over
Speaker 4: the sign or anything like that.
Speaker 5: But then he would like put down his his thing
Speaker 5: and like it would like knock over. He's like the
Speaker 5: dude was like so clumsy, clumsy in like a clean way.
Speaker 5: I was like I respected it. And he was also
Speaker 5: a comedian he was also I feel he was also
Speaker 5: fucking hilarious, So that was just but the guy was
Speaker 5: just like having me in stitches the whole time, and
Speaker 5: he was just like you know you, I mean, you
Speaker 5: were one of these people, but you meet someone you're like, oh,
Speaker 5: you're a character. Sure, yeah, and he was like a
Speaker 5: true character in the in in the purest sense, and like, yeah, he.
Speaker 4: Forgot his name already, but yeah he was. He was funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, maybe he wasn't I you know, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I think the part of
Speaker 1: me that wants to like if someone came up and
Speaker 1: did that was like destroying my stuff. I think I
Speaker 1: would have u you know, there's like two wolves or whatever,
Speaker 1: and I would and I would definitely have one of
Speaker 1: the wolves.
Speaker 2: In my mind.
Speaker 1: Uh, and then the other wolf would be like, it
Speaker 1: is pretty funny.
Speaker 3: It was pretty funny to do that.
Speaker 4: It was you had to see it, you know.
Speaker 5: It's a very clowning is a very uh gotta see
Speaker 5: to believe it kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Sure, for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, Judah, Yeah, it's just so cool. It's just
Speaker 1: so awesome that you've been doing this for I appreciate what.
Speaker 2: You do too.
Speaker 5: I've been following your your stuff for a while and honestly,
Speaker 5: it's it's remarkable what you get people to open up about.
Speaker 4: And then what the the the.
Speaker 5: Range of the human condition that you capture is I
Speaker 5: think one that anthropologists in the future will have a
Speaker 5: wonderful time going through.
Speaker 1: But you know what's funny is I feel like, I
Speaker 1: mean you've been well, yeah, you mean you've been doing
Speaker 1: this longer than I have. I I can't imagine I've
Speaker 1: I've covered many topics that you have not already.
Speaker 5: From different angles, sure, yeah, from different angles. But yeah,
Speaker 5: it's it's just, uh, the same book translated in two
Speaker 5: different ways.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I find that one very green.
Speaker 4: And you know, yeah, well.
Speaker 3: I find that a lot of.
Speaker 1: Humanity struggles and joys are quite common. Like you know,
Speaker 1: is thoughts aren't particularly unique, nor a situations are.
Speaker 4: This, And tell me if you agree with this.
Speaker 5: I feel like these kinds of things makes you believe
Speaker 5: in the power of cliches. Yeah, like you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, because like, you know, I read that line recently.
Speaker 5: It really stuck out, and I'm like, oh, because you
Speaker 5: can say, never judge a book by its cover, you know,
Speaker 5: like you never know. I always treat everybody with kindness
Speaker 5: like you treat yourself.
Speaker 4: And it's true, it's true, but.
Speaker 5: It's you don't really internalize that lesson until you put
Speaker 5: yourself in these kind of situations and expose yourself to
Speaker 5: people's actual, more deeper and more nuanced situations and stories
Speaker 5: that it starts to really internalize. And then that's how
Speaker 5: it actually translates into action, because just hearing it does
Speaker 5: not translate into action. And that's partially what this is
Speaker 5: an exercise of, is repeatedly making sure that I don't
Speaker 5: jump to conclusions, that I don't create a space of
Speaker 5: judgment and that sort of thing.
Speaker 4: So that's the Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's gonna be. That's gonna be.
Speaker 1: My takeaway from our conversation is, don't judge, don't jump
Speaker 1: to conclusions, don't judge a get go by its skin,
Speaker 1: beautiful juda else you want to say to the computer
Speaker 1: before people in the computer?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Uh is also a cliche.
Speaker 5: But and I don't know who needs to hear this
Speaker 5: right now, but you are enough and that's okay.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Oh I don't I I feel like I
Speaker 1: always wonder about that.
Speaker 4: Oh no, oh shit, my parting message has a quick.
Speaker 3: Why your parting message?
Speaker 1: I feel like I just had a conversation on the
Speaker 1: show about this, but I don't know, if I don't know, if.
Speaker 4: I don't want to hear no, no, you can't, you
Speaker 4: can't say that. And then well I have two wolves. Okay, okay,
Speaker 4: what's one wolf?
Speaker 3: Well, one wolf? I think one wolve is is.
Speaker 1: Very capitalists in the sense of like, no, you must
Speaker 1: produce value of some kind or push yourself through your
Speaker 1: extra through your extrinsic.
Speaker 4: Extra is that extrame is extrinsic extrinsic actions.
Speaker 1: And then the other part is more like, uh, purely
Speaker 1: just exist.
Speaker 3: Thing is fine.
Speaker 1: Outside of myself, Like I don't.
Speaker 4: So you apply for yourself personally, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Know, I think about myself personally, think about like.
Speaker 5: But you use that wolf to drive you, like to
Speaker 5: drive you like like like on a larger scale, I believe.
Speaker 1: I do believe like everyone is enough like as they are, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't.
Speaker 4: Think you should have to change what about what about
Speaker 4: this message?
Speaker 3: All right, well, your message could be whatever it is.
Speaker 5: You know, still a little little asterisk there. You are
Speaker 5: enough unless you're not producing anything. For the American economy,
Speaker 5: in which case you can go fuck yourself, just.
Speaker 4: Like the big beautiful Bill told you to go fuck
Speaker 4: yourself too. That's a good as.
Speaker 1: I guess, well, okay, you know, no, like okay on
Speaker 1: my and my personal level, right. What what bothers me
Speaker 1: about the you are enough thing is like I have
Speaker 1: been at times deeply unhappy. And when you're deeply unhappy
Speaker 1: and somebody tells you, hey, man, you're enough, you want
Speaker 1: to kill them because you're like, if I were enough,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be so unhappy, like.
Speaker 4: When you're depressing, like it's gonna be okay, and you're like.
Speaker 1: Fuck you, Well, well that not even that be like
Speaker 1: like like if you're like miss if you're like miserable
Speaker 1: or you're do you don't feel good? Do you have
Speaker 1: you feel a yearn or you feel depressed, and people go,
Speaker 1: you're doing fine as you are, It's like no, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm If I were enough, I wouldn't be struggling, you know,
Speaker 1: And so that's I think, Uh, that's part of the reason.
Speaker 1: I but it's so you know, it's uh, it's a
Speaker 1: weird Uh. I don't know how you would refer to it,
Speaker 1: but it's it's it's paradoxical in that sense because also
Speaker 1: the struggle might be you know, there's two I feel
Speaker 1: like there's two ways to uh be happy, which is
Speaker 1: and again it's a it's a spectrum.
Speaker 3: It's uh the uh.
Speaker 1: You can either get everything that you want and be
Speaker 1: satisfied or not want anything.
Speaker 3: And I think somewhere, I.
Speaker 4: Don't think you'll get everything you want and you're never
Speaker 4: gonna get it. I think even if you get everything
Speaker 4: you want, you won't be satisfied.
Speaker 5: So actually that's where Buddhism comes in, right, just release
Speaker 5: yourself from all wants and you're good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you can't do that.
Speaker 1: That's a boring that's a that's a boring life, releasing
Speaker 1: yourself from all wants.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean life, life is fun when
Speaker 5: you when you chase desires.
Speaker 1: For sure, I think, well, I lie somewhere in the middle,
Speaker 1: because you're never gonna I lie somewhere the middle.
Speaker 3: Because if you are the Buddha and you're sitting under.
Speaker 5: Baby, golden mean golden mean if Yeah, it's the because
Speaker 5: like if you're if you're the Buddha and you're sitting
Speaker 5: under a tree, you never want anything and then you die.
Speaker 1: It's like you sat under a fucking tree your whole life.
Speaker 1: That was that was stupid. Why'd you do that? But
Speaker 1: then if you if you're like I must have one.
Speaker 1: But then if you're like, you know whatever, you're elon
Speaker 1: musk and you're like I need to have three hundred
Speaker 1: billion dollars and I'm insane, and you like your wants
Speaker 1: are completely unchecked and out of control, then you also
Speaker 1: missed the point.
Speaker 2: So you want to you want to again, that's true,
Speaker 2: that's true.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 5: Okay, So so okay, you are enough, but you're also
Speaker 5: gonna grow.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 4: I like that.
Speaker 3: You're enough as you are, but you shall be more.
Speaker 4: There shall be there shall be more, you know. I
Speaker 4: like that. Yeah, you are enough, but there shall be more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I like that. We gonna end on that,
Speaker 1: all right, Jude, very nice to me. I followed the
Speaker 1: can you want to shout out your thing?
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, it's not for that, Okay, cool, It's
Speaker 5: only for people who sit down and speak.
Speaker 2: Dude, your rock man. Uh, that's so awesome.
Speaker 6: I have a deep I have a deep respect for you,
Speaker 6: but I really appreciate it.
Speaker 5: I try to keep it, keep it intimate, keep the
Speaker 5: engagement with the people who actually have a stake in it,
Speaker 5: and not passively you know, found it or something like that.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: So very beautiful, very beautiful.
Speaker 4: All right, bro, keep this up.
Speaker 5: I love what you're doing and can't wait to see
Speaker 5: what absurdy you have.
Speaker 4: You edit this into.
Speaker 1: Jud I'll I'm sure if you're here often, I'm sure
Speaker 1: I'll see you again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1: Man, I gotta say, I'm I'm very inspired by by
Speaker 1: that conversation. You know, I feel like, oh, what's up?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he left his back back. I'm very inspired
Speaker 1: by that conversation.
Speaker 3: Uh you know.
Speaker 1: Oh, oh someone took a photo. Oh let me see
Speaker 1: this photo. Oh oh here, Oh that's such.
Speaker 6: A great photo. Oh that's such a great photo. Oh
Speaker 6: I really like that.
Speaker 1: Wait here, hold on here, you know what I have
Speaker 1: your Instagram. I'll send you all right you want if
Speaker 1: you can take a picture of it right now, and
Speaker 1: I'll also send you a picture I'll for the folks
Speaker 1: watching this on video, I'll post the Yeah, check that out.
Speaker 1: Wow that's a beautiful polar And I love that. That's
Speaker 1: really nice. That was a beautiful conversation. I always love
Speaker 1: meeting another kindred spirit of talking to strangers at the park.
Speaker 1: I like that he doesn't record it, you know, I
Speaker 1: feel like I like recording this.
Speaker 3: But I do feel like if you know, in if
Speaker 3: in how old am I twenty some?
Speaker 1: If I if I'm like fifty five and the Internet
Speaker 1: has been destroyed, I will continue to try to find
Speaker 1: ways to do fun shit like this.
Speaker 3: So who knows? Do you want to talk? What's your
Speaker 3: what's your name?
Speaker 2: Sir? I'm I guess, I guess shure, I'm guess. I guess. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna give you a fistbut the way
Speaker 2: I greet people.
Speaker 3: So what is what is this pamphlet? It says affinity groups.
Speaker 10: It was in my hand when I wasn't paying attention
Speaker 10: and I had a hamster on it. It's Full Extinction Rebellion,
Speaker 10: which is a climate activist group that's extremely individual led.
Speaker 10: It's not really much of an organization. It's like a
Speaker 10: collective of lots of individuals.
Speaker 3: And are you one of these individuals in this collective?
Speaker 2: I mean vaguely, yeah, very vaguely.
Speaker 10: I think, like what a Thunberg is like the most
Speaker 10: famous of the individuals.
Speaker 1: So Greta Thunberg is in the extinction rebellion rebellion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so tell me what is extinsion? Extinction rebellion.
Speaker 10: It is sort of just like a citizen led movement
Speaker 10: to try to push environmentalism very very hard in a
Speaker 10: sort of pressing way, and also to work outside of
Speaker 10: governmental structures which are generally not going to be supportive.
Speaker 1: Interesting, how does like, how does working outside of how
Speaker 1: does one work outside of governmental structures?
Speaker 10: A lot of it seems to involve bothering people and
Speaker 10: getting arrested?
Speaker 2: Cool?
Speaker 1: When it was the last When was the last time
Speaker 1: you bothered somebody and got arrested?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 2: God, uh twenty twenty you do?
Speaker 10: Yeah, that was just like I think that was something
Speaker 10: everyone was doing back back in the day, like doing
Speaker 10: Black Lives Matter Corona times. It was just the thing
Speaker 10: to do bother someone ghetto rested, you know, and like
Speaker 10: the clubs aren't open, so you gotta do something.
Speaker 3: Sure, Sure, how long have you been?
Speaker 1: How long have you identified as an extinction rebellionist?
Speaker 2: Probably like only a month? Is it? Due you?
Speaker 10: I always see them at protests and I've like seen
Speaker 10: them online and stuff doing stuff, But it's like very
Speaker 10: easy to get into. You basically just like start going
Speaker 10: to groups, to the meetings, or you just like find
Speaker 10: some people and like sort of sign up.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 3: How did uh? Okay?
Speaker 1: So you've only been here for you've only considered yourself
Speaker 1: an extinction. Rebellion, rebel, rebel. I don't know why I
Speaker 1: I thought. I thought I had to add something to rebellion.
Speaker 1: It is part of it, yeah, rebel.
Speaker 2: One of these days I got to figure out like all.
Speaker 10: The pres and suffixes and various etymologies of the English language.
Speaker 2: So I can just make up whatever the words I want.
Speaker 2: But you can make up whatever words you want right now.
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 7: Can't.
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 10: You can't because they have their own rules. Like someone
Speaker 10: tried to pluralize moosse the other day.
Speaker 3: You just, what do you mean there's rules?
Speaker 6: You you just handed me a pamphlet about rebelling against
Speaker 6: the government. There's no you're I would assume that you're
Speaker 6: the most anti rule guy.
Speaker 3: What do you mean there's rules? What are you talking about?
Speaker 10: I guess there's there's organizational structures which we have control
Speaker 10: over instead of having control over us. Yes, so they
Speaker 10: are anarchistic organizational structures to our language.
Speaker 1: How is an I think if you're an anarchist, you
Speaker 1: should have intentionally horrible grammar.
Speaker 10: No, that's not I mean that can be what anarky
Speaker 10: is about to you.
Speaker 2: But that's not what it's supposed to be about.
Speaker 1: But how can anarchy be supposed But this isn't the
Speaker 1: whole point of anarchy that nothing is supposed to be
Speaker 1: about anything when we create a own realities.
Speaker 2: No, that's like nihilism.
Speaker 10: Anarchy is like a very complex and well thought out
Speaker 10: political movement that was buried after the eighteen ninety anti
Speaker 10: Anarchist rebellion because anarchists were assassinating political leaders like McKinley
Speaker 10: and the z Are of Russia.
Speaker 1: Wait, so uh, and the the assassination of political leaders
Speaker 1: was what led to the downfall of anarchy.
Speaker 10: Yeah, because literally every world leader in the world got
Speaker 10: together in eighteen nine day and so have decided to
Speaker 10: make anarkizzy the one political philosophy they would never ever tolerate,
Speaker 10: and they sort of made it into like a swear world.
Speaker 1: But does an anarchy in But doesn't anarchy intentionally? Doesn't
Speaker 1: anarchy imply violence in some way?
Speaker 2: No, not at all.
Speaker 10: Anarchies are very I mean, obviously there was some violence involved,
Speaker 10: taking out political leaders like Eugie Mannio in it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 10: it was like yeah, but in general it's a very
Speaker 10: anti war, anti oppression, anti state violence, fro woman pro
Speaker 10: environmentalist movement. You see, Like the closest thing the anarchy
Speaker 10: function today is in Rojava and Northeast Syria. Yeah, it's
Speaker 10: called democratic and federalism, and it's like very tied to
Speaker 10: women's rights and to uh environmentalism. They're like a very
Speaker 10: strong anti Isis force in that region, and that enabled
Speaker 10: them to create like a sort of pan ethnic group
Speaker 10: out of an original sort of Kodish struggle based group.
Speaker 10: They're like, they're the only country in the world where
Speaker 10: the government legally has to be half women. Whoa yeah,
Speaker 10: Assyria in Northeast Syria. Yeah, in Rojava, it's really an
Speaker 10: important place. They don't talk about it a lot here
Speaker 10: because he would like to think that Muslim people are
Speaker 10: misogynistic and that they don't want peace or democracy. But
Speaker 10: when you leave them to their own devices, you get
Speaker 10: the full political spectrum like everyone else, but you also
Speaker 10: get I think predominantly progressive people.
Speaker 1: Oh right, so let me all right, so what is
Speaker 1: your name again. Oh guess Arcuss? Who are you Arcus? Okay,
Speaker 1: I feel like August Arcus.
Speaker 10: Well that's that's who I am. Okay O guess Arcus.
Speaker 10: I guess no, it just Oucus. It just sounds like
Speaker 10: a guest when I say.
Speaker 6: Okay, Arcus, Arcus, Arcus Arcus, Well, okay, listen, Arcus.
Speaker 3: I'm curious about this.
Speaker 1: We've talked, We've spent a little bit of time talking
Speaker 1: about your beliefs and what you stand for. But what's
Speaker 1: the biography? Who are you? What are you doing? In
Speaker 1: New York?
Speaker 10: I teach wilderness skills and I feel like no one
Speaker 10: teaches it. H could to Cidy right, so fabits well
Speaker 10: maybe needed most.
Speaker 3: Whoa who do you teach wilderness skills to?
Speaker 10: Whoever wants to learn? I have an Instagram. It's my
Speaker 10: name and then my last name. The ttis spell. Your
Speaker 10: first name is also hard. Ye're hard to pronounce too?
Speaker 3: How do you spell?
Speaker 12: Name?
Speaker 10: Was Ao c U s Ao b O r I
Speaker 10: and yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 2: How did you get into doing a wilderness survival?
Speaker 10: I started when I was fifth When I was thirteen, Yeah,
Speaker 10: and I just took like a program simil of the
Speaker 10: ones that I teach now and it got me like
Speaker 10: in the door, and then I just really delved into
Speaker 10: it and aside it was what I wanted to do.
Speaker 10: Cool full of I'm still of like an anarcho primitivest,
Speaker 10: which is like a subsection of anarchy. It's deeply tied
Speaker 10: the idea that agriculture and civilization actually created and enforced
Speaker 10: the systems that we don't like, like dominance. Hierarchy is
Speaker 10: an authoritarianism, misogyny, bigotry, anti homophobia.
Speaker 1: I can ass you something like because I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm I feel like both on an individual level and
Speaker 1: on a societal level, humanity is a fight between our
Speaker 1: biological natural instincts.
Speaker 3: And our higher, more beautiful human.
Speaker 2: Aft and I one hundred percent false.
Speaker 1: And I think that uh, society in the individual is
Speaker 1: the attempt of reconciliation between higher human principles in conflict with.
Speaker 3: More our basic primitive.
Speaker 10: Yeah, one hundred percent false. That concept came from foud.
Speaker 10: It was deeply, deeply racist and anti indigenous and Victorian
Speaker 10: are instinctive set of moality was designed to help us
Speaker 10: survive in the wilderness. Everything we think of as good
Speaker 10: and moral is actually an evolution is it? It reinforced
Speaker 10: by evolution right, Because to have healthy relationships in a
Speaker 10: beautiful community is to be able to survive in the forest, yes,
Speaker 10: which it is hard to do individually. To have healthy
Speaker 10: gender relationships is to be able to split work between
Speaker 10: two genders. Uh, and to allow you know, allowing for
Speaker 10: filled genders and not havingnorativity. Sure, everything I think intrinsic
Speaker 10: to us that makes this beautiful and human is very
Speaker 10: animalistic and natural and what what?
Speaker 1: But are we but we we have something though as
Speaker 1: human beings we have something new that's like like we
Speaker 1: got something that the squirrels don't. We have some higher
Speaker 1: consciousness that we're reconciling with in some way that creates
Speaker 1: broader spectrums of good and evil and whatnot.
Speaker 9: We have.
Speaker 10: A conscious mind is more part of our experience. But
Speaker 10: we have the same elements to our being as are
Speaker 10: though animals, especially like schools. Schools make complex decisions. Schools
Speaker 10: think months in advance.
Speaker 2: They do they are they really? Yeah? They?
Speaker 10: I mean why do they think they bury acorns? They
Speaker 10: know that those acorns are toxic to eat in the
Speaker 10: fall because they have too many tannins. If they bury
Speaker 10: them underground, the snow melt will wash the tans out
Speaker 10: and though something eat in the spring when there's not
Speaker 10: a lot of food.
Speaker 2: Otherwise they would just eat all. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I listen, listen, I feel like I mean like dog
Speaker 1: like hamsters. Right, you got a hamster on this pamphlet,
Speaker 1: like I do. I don't know if hamsters are thinking
Speaker 1: about you know, hamsters aren't like Ah, maybe in a
Speaker 1: year or two I'll go back to grad school, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 10: Well, hamster's only live with like five years old, so
Speaker 10: they don't have to think that far ahead. That's true.
Speaker 10: Animals that live a long time think further ahead. Animals
Speaker 10: that have human life lifestyles often of human like types
Speaker 10: of intelligence, which we've value more and we value the
Speaker 10: skills they have more, but they're not inherently superior to
Speaker 10: the skills all.
Speaker 2: The animals have. We just remind us of ourselves more.
Speaker 10: And that ties deeply into castism and racism and capitalism,
Speaker 10: because if you are an engineer, you're living a type
Speaker 10: of lifestyle.
Speaker 2: It's very different than a duck.
Speaker 10: If you're a farmer or a hunter gatherer, your lifestyle
Speaker 10: is not actually that different than a duck. No, so
Speaker 10: it's easy for someone to say, oh, you're more like
Speaker 10: an animal, so you're worst than med your skills don't.
Speaker 3: Know, No, no, no, no, no no, no, it's well, I'm hold on.
Speaker 1: Well, the idea of like humans are a combination of
Speaker 1: our like higher humanness and our animalness is is not.
Speaker 1: There's no quality. I don't put any qualitative judgments in it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I just feel like that that is
Speaker 1: one of our central conflicts as conscious beings.
Speaker 10: I mean, I feel like when you focused, when you
Speaker 10: don't unite your logic and your knowledge with your emotions
Speaker 10: and intuition and connection to nature and your uality, Yeah,
Speaker 10: then it makes it easier for you to fall astray
Speaker 10: because our mind's be able to conceive of falsehoods to
Speaker 10: an intensity and to a degree that although animals might
Speaker 10: not really do as much.
Speaker 1: What have you ever, like in your personal life, found
Speaker 1: yourself slipped away into any falsehoods?
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, I mean it's pretty easy as a human
Speaker 10: to loan and misinformation and not question that.
Speaker 3: It's illogical. What was the last falsehood that you slipped into?
Speaker 2: God, I can't, I don't know.
Speaker 10: I only know the ones I slipped out of the
Speaker 10: ones I'm frobably slipping into new ones all the time.
Speaker 1: Do you feel how sure are you that you don't
Speaker 1: live within some sort of falsehood right now?
Speaker 2: I'm fairly sure.
Speaker 10: I have a pretty decent idea of how the world works.
Speaker 10: But I'm sure there's something I believe that's incorrect.
Speaker 1: How do you feel like you gained a decent idea
Speaker 1: of how the world works?
Speaker 3: Is that even possible?
Speaker 2: I think so. I like a very rough in general.
Speaker 3: Why sure?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a question for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's up?
Speaker 2: Why don't you never lick your eyeballs?
Speaker 4: Try?
Speaker 3: I don't like my yo.
Speaker 1: There's been times I've had like like I had an
Speaker 1: ex girlfriend who licked my eye on one.
Speaker 3: I actually really liked it.
Speaker 2: Ex school friend not couldn't go.
Speaker 3: It didn't work out.
Speaker 2: But when she licked it or not, well yeah, current.
Speaker 1: When she liked it? No, yeah, yeah, I get what
Speaker 1: you're saying. Yeah, no, I didn't. I wasn't like, hey,
Speaker 1: I know we haven't talked in a while, but if
Speaker 1: you could you come lick my eyeball?
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, no, no, it was old time to say yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 10: Sometimes when you don't get something out of the way
Speaker 10: into relationship, you need to try it afterwards.
Speaker 1: No, I feel like I feel like once you guys
Speaker 1: break up, eyeball licking is off the table.
Speaker 3: How's your dating life? Are you seeing anyone?
Speaker 2: Are you hopefully at some point? Okay?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm like a relationship. I'm a wife guy, smiling
Speaker 10: wife guy, firing wife guy. Yeah, aspiring stay at home dad.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Are you, like, have you gone on any dates lately?
Speaker 3: Have you met anyone?
Speaker 4: Not? Look?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 10: Well I usually only gave people, I know, because I
Speaker 10: feel like your gool friend can finally be you blow
Speaker 10: and also your roommate and then like totially the post
Speaker 10: and you fuck.
Speaker 2: Who is a butte that you like?
Speaker 1: I I will say, I actually think dating people, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a double edged sort because I think, like like
Speaker 1: dating apps and whatnot, they've allowed you to extend outside
Speaker 1: your network to go on dates, so that like, you know,
Speaker 1: because like I don't know, Let's say you have like
Speaker 1: a coworker or a friend, or like somebody who's like
Speaker 1: already in your life. You express romantic interest in them,
Speaker 1: and it's not, uh, it's not it doesn't pan out.
Speaker 1: It's like it's it's like now a part of your
Speaker 1: existing life has been corroded in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 1: But dating apps is like, oh, if this doesn't work out,
Speaker 1: it's great because we have two completely separate.
Speaker 2: Lives, disposable individuals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yes, it also was the double edged sword
Speaker 1: of it does make human it does. It does by
Speaker 1: nature make the process of people more more disposable.
Speaker 2: I mean, I.
Speaker 10: Feel like if you're not in a place where you
Speaker 10: can have a mature relationship with you flanned that involves
Speaker 10: an attempt at romance that doesn't work. You might also
Speaker 10: not be in a place so you can have a
Speaker 10: mature romance with anyone.
Speaker 2: I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's about maturity. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I don't know if that's about maturity. I think
Speaker 1: it's about just like emotional, It's about like general emotion,
Speaker 1: you know. I think you can be like two mature
Speaker 1: people who are like, we cannot be around each other
Speaker 1: every single day because it will cause too much pain.
Speaker 1: I think I don't think that's necessarily I mature.
Speaker 10: Yeah, But then I feel like that's a little I
Speaker 10: feel like if you had that deep into the situation
Speaker 10: where you're like you want to be to gather and
Speaker 10: somehow can't and it's just like dreadful. Then I'm not
Speaker 10: sure that a dating app is gonna change that aspect
Speaker 10: of because then you just get I don't know, that's
Speaker 10: a niche, A niche, an unpleasant situation. I hope not
Speaker 10: to enter.
Speaker 3: What's your ultimate goal in life?
Speaker 10: I just want someone to lick my fucking eyeballs? Man,
Speaker 10: I want I want eyeballs to lick rick?
Speaker 2: Can you?
Speaker 3: I don't think you can lick your own eyeball? Is
Speaker 3: that possible?
Speaker 2: Probably?
Speaker 1: I hope, y bro, you heard the star of that
Speaker 1: guy who got his ribs removed so he could lick
Speaker 1: his own eyeball. Well actually, wait, well, okay, you know
Speaker 1: what's crazy is if you can get your ribs removed
Speaker 1: to make it so that you can suck your own dick.
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's like certain cheek bones that you
Speaker 1: could get removed so you could lick your own eyeball.
Speaker 2: I guess you could remove the eyeball itself that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, and then like like pop it out like
Speaker 1: Shakespeare's style with the skull, and then like liqu put
Speaker 1: it back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that could be kind of cool.
Speaker 10: I don't think that guy did that. That was like
Speaker 10: a rock star. There's no fucking way that guy did that.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you something I'm curious based on your
Speaker 1: social and political ideologies, are you an optimist or a pessimist?
Speaker 2: A big optimist?
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's wonderful even in because people are you know,
Speaker 1: people are scared. Man with big beautiful Bill and AI
Speaker 1: and life and people, people are scared.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 3: Are you optimistic? Yeah?
Speaker 2: It's like a poo abble.
Speaker 10: I think like the more you learn, the more depressed
Speaker 10: and tail you are the world is. And then at
Speaker 10: some point you just starts like going back again and
Speaker 10: you end up happy again. Yeah, you're like a happy
Speaker 10: like old wise monk, yeah, instead of like a depressed teenager.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we gotta take back.
Speaker 10: We gotta make woke this fun We gotta make we
Speaker 10: gotta make woke this funny. Like there's this great quote
Speaker 10: I heard by a guy talking about Confederate statues, like
Speaker 10: we gotta make some anti racist statues, and we've gotta
Speaker 10: beat it with volume, just like holds of anti racist
Speaker 10: statues all over the South.
Speaker 3: What would your anti racist statue be?
Speaker 10: I mean, I feel like my version of that would
Speaker 10: be like actually funny and good to be around woke people, okay,
Speaker 10: like cause I think humor is mostly based around like
Speaker 10: referencing people have heard before being really inappropriate and sexual
Speaker 10: and a little bit offensive and being charismatic and just
Speaker 10: so sounding and looking funny. And there's no reason that
Speaker 10: a super woke, non problematic person can't be great at that,
Speaker 10: And I actually think they should be better at it,
Speaker 10: because if you're making fun of something that's wrong, that's
Speaker 10: also like inherently a lot because it's just sort of
Speaker 10: like based and dumb is like an absurdity to it
Speaker 10: that you're making fun of, and that's super humorous. Like
Speaker 10: we have sticks up of assis and we don't ever
Speaker 10: say anything funny, so no one likes us. But if
Speaker 10: we just like went off on like the misogynists in
Speaker 10: the Oasis and talk about how fucking stupid they were
Speaker 10: and how they were just like dumb idiots, and like
Speaker 10: we're funny and interesting about it, I think people would
Speaker 10: drive with it super hard.
Speaker 3: Do you have comedians that you like?
Speaker 2: I like a guy named Richard Acasta.
Speaker 1: I think I know it. He's a James a Caster.
Speaker 1: It's a different guy.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 10: Wait, maybe it is James Acasta. He's like a British
Speaker 10: guy with wet hair.
Speaker 3: Yeah, are you do you like George Carlin?
Speaker 10: I like George Colin too. Yeah, he's pretty good. Richard
Speaker 10: Aycaster is good because he's like kind of funny looking
Speaker 10: and he gets real mad and like he also just
Speaker 10: talks about like really random shit, but it's always something nuts.
Speaker 10: It's always about like the British Museum should like stop
Speaker 10: stealing people's paintings, if you shouldn't like go to a
Speaker 10: club to shoot on the girlfriend. And also just like
Speaker 10: funny stuff, like his town is weird socco chants and
Speaker 10: like he lives in some random ass like village in
Speaker 10: England and it's like funny.
Speaker 2: And he has like enemies who are like teenage boys.
Speaker 1: Wait, I feel like I wanted to ask you more
Speaker 1: about your personal biography as a human being, and I
Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about it.
Speaker 2: What do you What do you do all day? Man?
Speaker 10: I like look for students and I loan stuff and
Speaker 10: I think about stuff, and I like plan.
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time.
Speaker 10: Sitting and like flea planning, like talks and lessons I'm
Speaker 10: gonna give and how I'm gonna wad them, Yeah, because
Speaker 10: I would.
Speaker 2: With kids in the forest a lot.
Speaker 10: Yeah, And that's like a recipe for danger and chaos.
Speaker 10: So you have to literally have everything like flee woaded,
Speaker 10: but also be saying it like at random spontaneous intervals
Speaker 10: in between stuff happening that you didn't expect to have
Speaker 10: any way to plan for.
Speaker 1: Oh hey, that's all. There's a parrot guy who's saying stuff.
Speaker 1: It's crazy parrot guy.
Speaker 10: He's gonna bite you. It'll be okay. He's a taste
Speaker 10: for human flesh.
Speaker 2: Guy. Terrible.
Speaker 1: Wait, crap, I'm trying to remember what I was gonna
Speaker 1: ask you. Oh, yes, I want to know this. I
Speaker 1: want to know this. You seem to you think, you
Speaker 1: seem like a man. You think a lot.
Speaker 3: About uh uh.
Speaker 1: Philosophy and consciousness and all these things. Where do you
Speaker 1: believe we go when we die?
Speaker 3: Do you believe.
Speaker 1: Consciousness to seeds and it's the same. Do you believe
Speaker 1: there's an extra dimension in which our consciousness flows or
Speaker 1: what do you think?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 10: Man, I mean I feel like that's a very grain
Speaker 10: of salt question.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 10: For me, the only way I can really say is like,
Speaker 10: I feel like we go to join the ancestors and
Speaker 10: watch all over the future generations of living people. I
Speaker 10: feel like o body we give back to the land,
Speaker 10: and then it becomes the bodies of all children and
Speaker 10: great grandchildren, yeah, and of other living beings.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 10: And I feel like before we are borne, were sort
Speaker 10: of part of the universe in some logical or spiritual
Speaker 10: we're carbon and shit it at least, I mean I
Speaker 10: feel like, well, before we're born, in a sense, we
Speaker 10: are the universe.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 10: And and I think in a more postals that I
Speaker 10: think we were like a spirit I would define it
Speaker 10: as like a spuit. And so you sort of when
Speaker 10: you're born, remember that ship. And that's why babies are
Speaker 10: like sort of wise looking, and why they know how
Speaker 10: to swim, and why they like low and extremely fast
Speaker 10: and like seem to like be really like precognate and intuitive.
Speaker 2: And then they just sort of been really dumb.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and the max dumbness hits to like age seven
Speaker 10: or so, and then they start to gain more of
Speaker 10: like a human intelligence.
Speaker 7: Bro.
Speaker 1: I like, I love that thought idea of like babies
Speaker 1: are secretly extremely wise, yeah, because they were just they
Speaker 1: just came from being the universe.
Speaker 3: The universe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, you know what, It's cool right because
Speaker 1: I feel like the more, the most in touch with
Speaker 1: the universe you are is the when your presence, you know.
Speaker 1: And I feel like babies are so deeply present, yeah,
Speaker 1: and so deeply connected to just like yeah, the uh
Speaker 1: I mean kind of like we were talking about with
Speaker 1: the last guy, kind of the the the novelty of life,
Speaker 1: you know, everything is so novel to them.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, That's why I love kids.
Speaker 10: One time I was with a kid and I saw
Speaker 10: him sit down on a log and he was like,
Speaker 10: this is the this is the first time I'm ever
Speaker 10: gonna sit.
Speaker 2: On a mossy log. And then he sat on it
Speaker 2: and it blew my fucking mind.
Speaker 10: I was like, wow, that was literally the first time
Speaker 10: he sat on a mossy log and I saw it.
Speaker 1: So you are an aspiring husband and stay at home
Speaker 1: dead Yeah, very okay. So are you looking so I
Speaker 1: has to stay home dad? Are you looking for like
Speaker 1: like do you want to date? Like uh, like a
Speaker 1: like a rich powerful woman?
Speaker 2: Fuck? Yeah as hell?
Speaker 10: Yeah, little auto like more confident like somehead's so like
Speaker 10: still willing to have a couple of kids, Definitely that's sick.
Speaker 3: You ever, like, uh, you ever like take strolls down
Speaker 3: Wall Street and whatnot.
Speaker 10: I think those women might be a little I don't
Speaker 10: know something Sometimes women just like at as corrupted by
Speaker 10: shit as guys are somehow, and it seems.
Speaker 2: Sort of weird.
Speaker 10: But like I heard, I don't know this weird story
Speaker 10: that like doing the Russian Revolution, like the women in
Speaker 10: the Zar's family will like pro evolution, yeah, even though
Speaker 10: they were specifically like getting executed by the Revolutionarias Like,
Speaker 10: there's this idea called genealogy which actually comes from Java,
Speaker 10: which ties feminism misogyny very very closely to all forms
Speaker 10: of oppression and also two anarcho priminitivism and indigenous cultures. Sure,
Speaker 10: anti third wave feminism and the idea of just feminity
Speaker 10: in general is being a positive trait.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 10: I've also feel like our society sort of just takes
Speaker 10: ninety percent of the human experience so decides it's trust
Speaker 10: for goals.
Speaker 3: Well, like, what okay, give me I can can you?
Speaker 2: Can you list? I want to know?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, lest give me three things that you feel
Speaker 1: like should not be just for girls? That you feel like,
Speaker 1: are our society conditioned to be just okay, like, okay, like,
Speaker 1: let's do it.
Speaker 10: Yeah, parenthood, looking attractive and having emotions.
Speaker 1: I have to I, I honestly, I have to disagree
Speaker 1: that I think those are that conditioned for women, parenthood.
Speaker 10: I mean, I don't know, you think I was the
Speaker 10: last time you hold the phase patonal instincts, my paternal instincts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, that's true. Yeah, Okay, okay, I'll actually
Speaker 1: hand you that the people was the last.
Speaker 10: Time you wanted a random guy to you've never met
Speaker 10: to look after your five year old daughter?
Speaker 2: Give me that. I'll give you that the last time
Speaker 2: he saw a.
Speaker 10: Guy my age call an eighteen year old girl cute
Speaker 10: and assume he was just like talking about it as
Speaker 10: a kid and not as like a partner.
Speaker 1: Literally, I'll say, I'll say, I don't see, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, the whole looking attractive thing. Yeah, most it's true,
Speaker 1: like you know, cosmetic brands and whatever else of that
Speaker 1: stuff is yeah, marketed towards Yeah, I'll give you that.
Speaker 2: What's the third one?
Speaker 10: We're just having most emotions, having emotions, most emotions.
Speaker 3: Are the men are coming around on I think men
Speaker 3: are coming around on emotion.
Speaker 10: It's getting better. I think all of them getting better. Yeah,
Speaker 10: there's definitely a weird backlash going on with like the
Speaker 10: weird fucking I don't know, like glow guys, whites, fucking
Speaker 10: all white cloud.
Speaker 2: But like, I think most guys are getting I think.
Speaker 1: Like, like I generally feel as though, like, uh, like
Speaker 1: if you're like, like if you're a guy these days
Speaker 1: and you have like a group of like dude friends, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think most this is just like complete anecdotally, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel this in my group of dude friends. But also,
Speaker 1: you know, I think like younger generations too, like friends
Speaker 1: in high school and ship are willing to be like yo,
Speaker 1: I love the homies. Yeah, willing to like tell their
Speaker 1: friends they love them, willing to like open up to
Speaker 1: their friends.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It's I think it's something that like men are willing
Speaker 3: to do with their friends. You know, it's coming.
Speaker 2: It's a little weird.
Speaker 10: Still, I feel like the fact that they seem to
Speaker 10: like guys seem just sort of be hiding how they feel,
Speaker 10: like what they really think A little bit, I think,
Speaker 10: so like the time I think a little.
Speaker 1: Bit gives it. I'll give it you prove to the
Speaker 1: second two the first two, but give me the third eye.
Speaker 10: They hide like quite a lot behind erevlence and jadedness
Speaker 10: and humor and like saying fucked up stuff they don't
Speaker 10: actually believe, and they also like sort of just a
Speaker 10: little bit not that serious, a little bit not that emotional,
Speaker 10: and then when they do open up, it's like like
Speaker 10: a little intense. It's like a little bit like, okay,
Speaker 10: you can, you can take a step back.
Speaker 2: It's it's fine.
Speaker 10: I know.
Speaker 1: Don't we all don't we all mascar emotions in some
Speaker 1: way there's some sort of displacements personality or activity.
Speaker 2: A little bit, but IM sorry.
Speaker 1: We're humans are dynamic enough that you can be funny
Speaker 1: and say outlandish things and do whatever and also still
Speaker 1: have a deeply emotional.
Speaker 2: Definitely, I think so. I think you definitely can.
Speaker 10: I think it's just being done as a defense mechanism
Speaker 10: by guys and masculine people a lot a lot more
Speaker 10: than by women. And I think that it's why when
Speaker 10: a dude like is really like I love you bo
Speaker 10: like man, this is it's time I fly, it's like
Speaker 10: it feels really intense because it's like sort of sudden.
Speaker 1: I don't want to put a gender to this. Looks
Speaker 1: so cool that now we're surrounded by beautiful life.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like, do you feel like I'm
Speaker 1: like I meet so many people nowadays who are like
Speaker 1: they talk in tiktoks, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: they talk in and it's men and women and and
Speaker 1: you know, like talking in memes or talking in tiktoks.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a huge Like that's a huge
Speaker 1: like I'm displacing myself from emotions thing.
Speaker 2: Do you do you agree with fucking weird? Really weird,
Speaker 2: really weird?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I feel like you see that a little bit in
Speaker 2: Japanese culture.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's what's what is it in Japanese? There's
Speaker 1: like the two face? You know if there's a word
Speaker 1: for this in Japanese culture. Fuck, somebody in the comments
Speaker 1: say it, but it's like one is like your your
Speaker 1: your outside face and then your inside face.
Speaker 3: Whoa you have ever heard of this?
Speaker 2: I think so?
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know the word exactly, but someone someone in
Speaker 1: the YouTube comments will be it, will say it's maybe
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed talking to you man, have you have you?
Speaker 1: Have you handed out a lot of these pamphlets?
Speaker 2: I just forgot I was holding that when I like
Speaker 2: went to fist pump.
Speaker 10: Yeah, but there's the dudeis here like every day when
Speaker 10: it's like way too hot out and like the sunniest
Speaker 10: place imaginable, giving out fleet stickos and giving out pamphlets
Speaker 10: and like getting people to care about the the nature.
Speaker 10: They literally a part of that. They'll one hundred percent
Speaker 10: going to get fucked along with.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question that comes from I've
Speaker 1: been talking a little bit today. I talked to the
Speaker 1: last uh guest who is on this chair, about how
Speaker 1: I have two wolves in my head?
Speaker 7: What I do?
Speaker 3: I have two wolves in my head. One wolf is uh.
Speaker 1: One wolf in my head loves life, very optimistic, loves
Speaker 1: the earth, loves humans. The other wolf in my head
Speaker 1: is like sees, you know, whatever climate change and whatnot,
Speaker 1: and goes, we had a good run. You know, why
Speaker 1: is humanity? Why is humanity in life so important that
Speaker 1: we have to save it? You know that wolf exists
Speaker 1: in my head. And I ask you, as somebody who
Speaker 1: cares about these things, what would you what would you
Speaker 1: say to that wolf?
Speaker 3: And why should we care?
Speaker 10: That story comes from a book called the Education of
Speaker 10: Little Tree, and it was written by a uh. Former
Speaker 10: ku Klux Klan member turned antiwasis looking for redemption in
Speaker 10: the most weird black fac the way possible.
Speaker 1: Sure, okay, but more give me more than that. I
Speaker 1: mean I philosophically, why should we care about life?
Speaker 10: I feel like that's that's both wolves at once being
Speaker 10: one wolf, maybe a coyote, I guess. Yeah, life is
Speaker 10: weird in messay and sometimes kind of fucked up, but
Speaker 10: it's still beautiful and still working forwards. And sometimes something
Speaker 10: you know fucked up with an ex clan member writing
Speaker 10: a book which pretends to be a Native American creates
Speaker 10: a beautiful story that actual Native Americans really resonate with.
Speaker 3: I listen, I'm not Native American, but I like the
Speaker 3: toolves thing. It makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well anyway, I like life today, and today's all we got. Mmm,
Speaker 1: give me your name one more time? O Gus Arcis
Speaker 1: Arcis if you want to plug anything you kind of
Speaker 1: know you said you have an Instagram.
Speaker 2: My Instagram.
Speaker 10: If you can understand the words I make with my mouth,
Speaker 10: it's Ao c U s ao b o l I
Speaker 10: at Instagram.
Speaker 2: There's nothing fucking on it.
Speaker 10: There'll be pictures on it soon of us doing stuff
Speaker 10: in the forest and then you can come and go
Speaker 10: in the group chats, and then you can come out
Speaker 10: and play in the forest with us.
Speaker 3: Rock and roll.
Speaker 1: Helly, nice to talk to you, dude. I'll see around
Speaker 1: the universe. I'll see you, see you around the universe.
Speaker 3: Good luck.
Speaker 2: That guy was interesting.
Speaker 6: That was Uh.
Speaker 3: That was a cool conversation.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 3: I feel like, what did I learn from that?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I have I don't what did
Speaker 1: you the eyeball looking somebody said, the eyeball looking stuff?
Speaker 1: I learned about looking eyeball? I was if you have
Speaker 1: someone in your life who might be willing to lick
Speaker 1: your eyeball, I recommend it. It's a fun, it's a
Speaker 1: nice it feels nice. Although I remember I remember after
Speaker 1: someone looked my eyeball, I went on Google and I
Speaker 1: was asking Google about it, and they were like, you
Speaker 1: shouldn't do that. That can call that can spread diseases.
Speaker 1: But what does the internet know? Have a seat, Leana.
Speaker 1: Very nice to meet you, Leanna. What's up has life?
Speaker 11: Life is pretty good right now?
Speaker 2: Very good.
Speaker 13: This might be a downer from the last conversation, but
Speaker 13: I'm in the best relationship I've been in like my
Speaker 13: whole life. Yeah, and I've been in nothing but bad relationships.
Speaker 13: I don't know how to feel comfortable with getting the
Speaker 13: love that I'm getting, how to.
Speaker 1: Feel comfortable getting the love that you're getting? Wow, And
Speaker 1: she's well, I guess I'm curious about.
Speaker 2: A few things.
Speaker 1: In what way does that discomfort manifest in your physical actions?
Speaker 13: And you know, yeah, just I'm just like very defensive,
Speaker 13: like I have a wall up from the past, sure
Speaker 13: that I don't know how to get.
Speaker 1: Rid of, like like like uh like whoever you're dating, right,
Speaker 1: they'll be like like what, They'll tell you they.
Speaker 2: Love you, and you're like, ah, no, I suck somewhat. Yeah, okay, okay, huh,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Do you have a real therapist?
Speaker 11: Not really?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 11: Should I change the topic?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 1: No, No, you didn't do anything wrong. I'm just curious.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm thinking about my thoughts on this situation.
Speaker 1: I mean, how else does this manifest? Like, give me,
Speaker 1: give me some examples, like how do you feel as
Speaker 1: though you cannot accept.
Speaker 13: This love just because like I don't know how to
Speaker 13: like trust just because I've adopted.
Speaker 3: To Oh, okay, you don't how to trust this person.
Speaker 11: That's like one of the things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can only really give you my own lived
Speaker 1: experience and thoughts about trust. Yes, my own lived experience
Speaker 1: and thoughts about trust. Is like, Okay, so you're in
Speaker 1: this relationship, right, and how long you've been with.
Speaker 2: This person just a few months?
Speaker 3: Just a few months.
Speaker 1: And I guess I would say in my own relationships
Speaker 1: with trust is like in any kind of relationship, business, platonic, romantic, whatever,
Speaker 1: you kind of like audit yourself to be like, am
Speaker 1: I doing the best job I reasonably can within my efforts?
Speaker 1: Am I having the best intentions that I reasonably can?
Speaker 1: And as long as I'm holding up my end of
Speaker 1: the deal. If this person decides to in some way,
Speaker 1: shape or form betray my trust or attempt to hurt
Speaker 1: me after I've held up my end of the deal,
Speaker 1: that doesn't bother me really, because I feel like that's, uh,
Speaker 1: that's not really a reflection upon me. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't control the evil uh that surrounds me. I only
Speaker 1: control a half of it. And and you kind of
Speaker 1: do those things intuitively, and you don't focus so much
Speaker 1: about what comes back. Of course you, of course you
Speaker 1: yearn of course you want, You'd be fucking lying. I'd
Speaker 1: be lying to myself. I said I didn't want anything back.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not the.
Speaker 1: Fucking Buddha, but like you, you have to at some point,
Speaker 1: except that what comes back is somewhat out of your control,
Speaker 1: and so the trust is less the trust. The trust
Speaker 1: that you're swinging around is less of a trust in
Speaker 1: another person and more of a trust in yourself. That
Speaker 1: you're approaching your life with as much uh goodwill as
Speaker 1: you possibly can, and that everything beyond that is is
Speaker 1: beyond you, and you surrender to what's beyond you.
Speaker 3: Does that make any sense? Or is that insane rambles?
Speaker 11: That makes sense?
Speaker 2: Alright? Cool?
Speaker 3: Okay, Shit, maybe I'm better a therapy than I thought.
Speaker 11: Maybe you're all all seeing gecko.
Speaker 3: I am a gecko. What's your name again?
Speaker 11: Lean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm horrible at remembering names. That's okay, But I
Speaker 1: feel like i'm I'm I get so ingrained in the
Speaker 1: conversations that I forget name.
Speaker 11: The name is the least of your worries.
Speaker 3: I like that you have a Harley Davidson hat on.
Speaker 13: I've been upstate in Hicksville and is where you're from. No, No,
Speaker 13: that's where my girlfriend's from.
Speaker 3: Okay, you said it's influenced you.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean I've just been there, and I'm from Jersey,
Speaker 13: but I hang out here mostly, so it's definitely a
Speaker 13: lot different. Like it's quiet, everybody's like country, like really country. Yeah,
Speaker 13: so I've I've been influenced.
Speaker 2: If you cann't tell yeah, oh yeah, you got the
Speaker 2: cameo pants, I.
Speaker 11: Got the cameos, the cut off tea, like is it?
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like, tell me if I'm crazy,
Speaker 1: But I feel like it's country experiencing some kind of
Speaker 1: cultural shift where it used to be seen as like
Speaker 1: a very like like it was like a very it
Speaker 1: was like very conservative, and now it's like it's like
Speaker 1: it's kind of being taken back. Like I'm seeing like
Speaker 1: Brooklyn like hipster people like wearing like hats and cowboy
Speaker 1: boots and ship I.
Speaker 13: Mean, I think a lot of people take from like
Speaker 13: the aesthetic, but when it when you're in like a
Speaker 13: very country area, it's very country conservative.
Speaker 11: Sure, so I definitely see a lot like especially today.
Speaker 13: Because it's the fourth of July, a lot of people
Speaker 13: wearing cowboy boots, American flags, camo, but nothing further than that.
Speaker 2: Do you have any Fourth of July plans tonight?
Speaker 10: No.
Speaker 11: I wanted to see what was going on here. I
Speaker 11: thought there would be more events.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's an event every day. Look at all of
Speaker 3: all this stuff.
Speaker 11: That's true. I'm here every day mostly every day Jersey.
Speaker 11: I live one stop from kind station.
Speaker 13: Yeah, so I'm here a lot and this is kind
Speaker 13: of just like everyday summer festivities, just a lot more
Speaker 13: American flags.
Speaker 11: I thought there would be like more fun stuff like
Speaker 11: do this for Fourth of July?
Speaker 1: If okay, if you could visualize what your perfect Fourth
Speaker 1: of July would be, how would that go down?
Speaker 11: Sitting in a pool, eating ice cream and watching the fireworks.
Speaker 1: I feel like you can find a place here to No,
Speaker 1: you definitely what it was here to do that. But
Speaker 1: what you just described in Manhattan will cost at least
Speaker 1: three hundred dollars.
Speaker 11: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to leave the city to do that.
Speaker 11: By me, there's a lot to do like that. But
Speaker 11: all my friends are here and they don't go to Jersey.
Speaker 3: Do you go to do you go to school here?
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 11: I'm not in school.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 11: I graduated high school and said, fuck it.
Speaker 2: Very cool, very cool. What do you have? What do
Speaker 2: you want to do with your life?
Speaker 11: I have no clue.
Speaker 1: Do you have, like inklings of anything that is exciting
Speaker 1: to you in any way, shape or form, even even minusculey.
Speaker 11: Anything art related?
Speaker 2: Really, that's cool? You do you do your own tattoos?
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 11: These are just on the fly. I've gotten most of them,
Speaker 11: like impulsively.
Speaker 3: Who's your favorite artist.
Speaker 9: Prior to this? Girl?
Speaker 13: Iris tat that's where I got this one from the
Speaker 13: most recent one. It's from Coraline. But she was really
Speaker 13: sweet and I love a lot of her work that
Speaker 13: she like posts about.
Speaker 1: Really nice, really nice. Yeah, okay, so you want to
Speaker 1: be in a pool watching the fire? By the way,
Speaker 1: I just sorry. I know this is something to do
Speaker 1: with our conversation. But at the very beginning of sitting down,
Speaker 1: I said to myself that I would be able to
Speaker 1: ignore how hot it was by being so engrossed in
Speaker 1: the conversations that I would forget the temperature. And it's
Speaker 1: actually been working. I thought it wasn't gonna work. I
Speaker 1: thought I'd be sweating my my ass.
Speaker 11: It's not working for me.
Speaker 3: I feel the heat, my haw's my is am I
Speaker 3: dripping on the paint at all.
Speaker 11: No, you've just been touching your beard. So that's where
Speaker 11: it's gone.
Speaker 2: I have been touching my beard. Yeah, is there someone
Speaker 2: has a phone.
Speaker 11: Yeah, he's right there.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I love the one dollar water guy man
Speaker 1: here right. You know what you know what's crazy is
Speaker 1: uh people talk about inflation.
Speaker 12: You know.
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe I talked about this on the
Speaker 1: podcast before, but people talk about inflation, right right. I
Speaker 1: feel like no matter how much inflation goes, the dollar
Speaker 1: water Guy will always still like that's his brand forever.
Speaker 1: It's gonna take about it's gonna take another one hundred
Speaker 1: years for the dollar water Guy to raise his prices.
Speaker 11: And it'll go to one twenty five, it'll go to
Speaker 11: it'll go it'll.
Speaker 3: Have to go to two.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Maybe I feel like in a hundred I feel like
Speaker 1: Americans we gotta get rid of coins.
Speaker 3: Our coins are just not worth anything.
Speaker 11: That's true.
Speaker 13: I mean I work at a very like small little
Speaker 13: town like bagel shop, and a lot of the older
Speaker 13: people have exact change. Really, so maybe in major cities
Speaker 13: like this, coins should go. But in very small towns, yeah,
Speaker 13: coins just never cease to exist.
Speaker 2: Get rid of the coins, but bring back the dollar coin.
Speaker 2: I love a dollar coin.
Speaker 11: I feel like when I have a dollar coin, I
Speaker 11: just never use it. I just look at it. Yeah,
Speaker 11: it's too special. Yeah, somehow I have none left.
Speaker 3: I feel horrible, and I'm gonna ask your name.
Speaker 11: A third Leanna think like Brianna, but with an L.
Speaker 3: You know it's so annoying, you know, it's so annoying
Speaker 3: to me. Is I feel like I can?
Speaker 2: I can?
Speaker 1: I can, like, like like in that moment when I
Speaker 1: forgot your name, It's like you could quiz me on
Speaker 1: on on your life, as as the information you've told me,
Speaker 1: and I think I would get ninety nine percent of
Speaker 1: it correct except the name.
Speaker 3: That's just how my brain works. I got it.
Speaker 1: I know that, uh, I mean I know, yeah, what
Speaker 1: you were talking about with your girlfriend. I know you
Speaker 1: live in Jersey. I know that, uh, you work in
Speaker 1: a small town. Yes, I know that you're not in
Speaker 1: school right now. I know you have friends who live
Speaker 1: in the city. But I would have I would have
Speaker 1: not remembered the name.
Speaker 3: Is that bad? No, do you think I'm gonna am?
Speaker 13: I I feel like knowing my life is definitely a
Speaker 13: lot more important to me than knowing my name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good, okay, good, the least of my worries.
Speaker 11: If you know me, you know me, if you know
Speaker 11: my name, it's whatever, Leana.
Speaker 2: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 2: people of the computer before we go, not really.
Speaker 11: Other than have a good summer and happy forth, Hags.
Speaker 1: I'll see you around the university, and I thank you
Speaker 1: very much for talking to a gecko. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of really, I don't know if I don't know
Speaker 1: how much background noise you'll be able to hear on
Speaker 1: this podcast, but there's a lot of really nice music
Speaker 1: and happenings about.
Speaker 3: It's nice.
Speaker 2: What's your name, man, I'm Sonjay Sanjay.
Speaker 1: Nice to meet you. I like your shirt. Your shirt
Speaker 1: says lol and then under it it says love of laughter.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's up, Sonjay? How's life good?
Speaker 4: Not much, it's been it's been okay.
Speaker 2: How about you? Why only okay?
Speaker 1: I mean it's been like mundane, but like in like
Speaker 1: a good way, you know, Yeah, mundane life contains a
Speaker 1: lot of joy in it. What tell me about like,
Speaker 1: what do you do every day?
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm a full time student and then I
Speaker 6: do a lot of like stand up, so like I
Speaker 6: usually just like go to class, then like write some jokes,
Speaker 6: go to an open mic, and then like oh you
Speaker 6: your stand up.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah, very cool, Yeah, very cool.
Speaker 2: How's this?
Speaker 3: How's the New York stand up scene treating you?
Speaker 6: It's okay, it's it's really cool. I think it's like
Speaker 6: a lot of fun. But it's also like there's so
Speaker 6: many comics, you know. Yeah, so also trying to like
Speaker 6: pivot into like content and stuff like that. But cool,
Speaker 6: like every other like that's my original idea. Yeah, let
Speaker 6: me do content. What's your what's your dream?
Speaker 4: I would like to be an SNL cast member.
Speaker 3: That's my dream?
Speaker 4: Really?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 2: How old are you? Can ask?
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty? Yeah, by the time.
Speaker 1: You, I think SNL is kind of dead, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I mean it's has faltered. Yeah, it's not like the
Speaker 1: every Man show it used to be. For sure. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna well, hold on, can I can? I? All right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell it very douchey story. Okay, okay, And
Speaker 1: this is why I think I might get some heat
Speaker 1: for this, but it's fine. I think wanting to be
Speaker 1: an SNL cast but only because Sanjay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, only because I I I want I remember my name?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, so uh two years ago, like the Internet
Speaker 1: is so much more powerful than.
Speaker 2: Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that makes sense, but so much more
Speaker 3: powerful ship Like like fucking Shane Gillis man.
Speaker 1: You know, he like came back like when he first
Speaker 1: when he first got fired from Saturday Live. Uh, everyone
Speaker 1: was like, this is gonna be better for his career,
Speaker 1: and I didn't believe. I was like, no, he kind
Speaker 1: of got fucked. And then now now that everyone was right,
Speaker 1: it was better for his career. He's like as any
Speaker 1: cast member. Yeah, and he's hosting and so, uh.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna name any names.
Speaker 1: And this is not in any way, shape orform reflective
Speaker 1: of this performer themselves. But it's just about like SNL
Speaker 1: is and it's it's more reflective of SNL as an institution. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna name this performance name. They're very funny,
Speaker 1: but again, it's about the institution out the former. Two
Speaker 1: years ago, I was in England doing a show Therapy Gecko,
Speaker 1: and you know at the time, you know, I was
Speaker 1: going viral on TikTok or whatever, and I had a
Speaker 1: sold out show at this comedy club in England And
Speaker 1: the next night after my show, there was this guy
Speaker 1: headlining who at the time was an SNL cast member,
Speaker 1: And at my show, they're putting flyers for his show
Speaker 1: on the seats and I was looking at the flyers
Speaker 1: and I was like, damn, dude.
Speaker 2: My show was sold out. Geo Trumps, I'm selling more
Speaker 2: to don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it would go nowadays, but at
Speaker 1: least at that time, it's like, Damn, I'm selling more
Speaker 1: tickets than somebody who was on Saturday Night Live off
Speaker 1: of TikTok and Instagram and YouTube and whatnot.
Speaker 6: Dude, Gecko Gecko Trump's Lauren Michaels right here, Just no,
Speaker 6: it does nothing to do with Dad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you know, I don't know, Like you're the
Speaker 1: goal for you is more, Yeah, you'll find more success
Speaker 1: on like YouTube and.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well I want to be a comedian. I also
Speaker 6: want to like create a TV show. Those are two
Speaker 6: big things.
Speaker 3: But even what the fuck is a TV show? Ye,
Speaker 3: it's a TV show.
Speaker 2: I think it could be.
Speaker 1: Well, it knows, it's it's you know, it's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a people. Nobody watches TV.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I just watch family guy clip by clip that's my
Speaker 6: TV on TikTok's but you watch it on TikTok.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like the old guard of
Speaker 1: like I want to be on SNL or have a
Speaker 1: TV show. It's like all that shit is dead, dude.
Speaker 6: It's like a double ed story because it's like so
Speaker 6: many people. It's like anybody can do it, but now
Speaker 6: so many more people are doing it.
Speaker 2: It's good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 6: They democratize the media answers. Yeah, I mean I think
Speaker 6: that's always something I've always wondered. I'm like, how many
Speaker 6: people you think were more talented than like a Dave
Speaker 6: Chappelle or like you know, like a Chris Rock or
Speaker 6: like you know, like a c K. But there's just
Speaker 6: never attempt or like never got seen in the right
Speaker 6: room or whatever. Well, I mean, yeah, bro, that's how
Speaker 6: it goes or I mean comedy. But also, like any
Speaker 6: kind of art, it's less about art and more about
Speaker 6: like it's it's a combination of like good taste and
Speaker 6: talent and marketing opportunities and luck yeah, it's like a
Speaker 6: third of each of those things.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like like do you.
Speaker 3: Watch the NBA.
Speaker 6: No, Okay, there's like a story of like one of
Speaker 6: like this European basketball player who was like like head
Speaker 6: and shoulders above the rest would have like a forty
Speaker 6: point trouble double at halftime in Europe and they wanted
Speaker 6: to come to the NBA and they said he'd be
Speaker 6: better than.
Speaker 4: Like Jordan and like all these guys.
Speaker 6: But like he couldn't come for ten years because of
Speaker 6: his visa and by the time he finally came, he
Speaker 6: was like old so like and he was still like
Speaker 6: really good. I think he uh, I forgot. It's like
Speaker 6: a Sabonus something. But like the question is like how
Speaker 6: like you know, like how many people are there like
Speaker 6: that where they just like never made it to the
Speaker 6: NBA because it's some like miscellaneous reason. But we're like
Speaker 6: more talented than anybody there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, comedy is a little weird because it's the talent
Speaker 1: is all subjective, yeah, you know, and people different people
Speaker 1: are kind of four different audiences and yeah, well.
Speaker 6: I think it's like that about art though too, Like
Speaker 6: I don't think art's about like talent. I think it's
Speaker 6: about moment. Like I think anyone can shine in their moment, you.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's about moment and momentum is also about literally
Speaker 1: about about moments.
Speaker 6: Like there's moments where Leonard Dicapro will be the worst
Speaker 6: actor in the world. There's moments where some guy from
Speaker 6: like getting a BFA could it could be like more
Speaker 6: the most talented act just in that specific moment, right, yeah, random,
Speaker 6: Like it all just clicks that it just comes together.
Speaker 3: Are you having fun in life?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3: I think I'm having fun. I think like staying busy
Speaker 3: is like the most fun that I have.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, if you don't stay busy, you'll start to
Speaker 1: ask questions you were never meant.
Speaker 3: You got to hear your own voice.
Speaker 6: That's the that's the scariest Uh, that's the scariest medium.
Speaker 2: Well, shit, Sonjay, it was good talking to you.
Speaker 4: Great talking to you too.
Speaker 3: You want to say to the people of the computer
Speaker 3: before we go?
Speaker 6: Uh, you guys should follow me on my stand up
Speaker 6: comedy account. It's called Sunjay does Stand Up s A.
Speaker 6: N j Y Does Stand Up Beautiful. Yeah, I'm looking
Speaker 6: forward to seeing you around the universe. I'm looking forward
Speaker 6: to you selling more tickets than me when I got
Speaker 6: on SNL.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Great to talk to you man. Hello, there, have a seat.
Speaker 3: What is what is your name? I'm Rachel, Rachel, Nice
Speaker 3: to meet you. What's up has life?
Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 9: So yesterday I learned that my friend is a kleptomania.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting for those who don't know what that is.
Speaker 1: And I think I know what a kleptomaniac is. Somebody
Speaker 1: who is addicted to stealing.
Speaker 12: Yeah, he's banned from Canada apparently, which sucks because I
Speaker 12: live in Canada. But yeah, he just like I've been
Speaker 12: friends with him for a couple of weeks and he
Speaker 12: just told me.
Speaker 9: That he likes to steal things?
Speaker 3: What kind of things?
Speaker 12: Really random things like caution tape and just like little knickknacks,
Speaker 12: but nothing that valuable.
Speaker 2: Sure, but he gets off on it.
Speaker 3: How long have you been friends with this guy?
Speaker 9: Three weeks?
Speaker 2: Three weeks?
Speaker 3: How'd you guys meet?
Speaker 9: We met in front of the comedy shop.
Speaker 2: What's what's the comedy shop.
Speaker 9: On Bleeker Street?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 3: Oh right, I didn't know there was a Is that
Speaker 3: a new comedy club?
Speaker 9: I'm not sure. I've only been here for a little while.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you met a friend outside of a comedy
Speaker 1: shop and then when he told you he was a kleptomaniac.
Speaker 3: Did that make you look at him differently?
Speaker 9: I got a little scared. I'm like, do I want
Speaker 9: to invite this guy over right? Or should I? Should
Speaker 9: he be just like an outside friend?
Speaker 1: Has he stolen anything from you in the time that
Speaker 1: you've not that I know of? But I guess it
Speaker 1: would be I guess from from the way you've described
Speaker 1: this guy, it sounds like if he were to steal
Speaker 1: things from you, it would be things you wouldn't even
Speaker 1: notice were gone.
Speaker 9: Like, yeah, it'd be like my floss.
Speaker 3: I was literally going to say floss.
Speaker 9: Yeah, my gumbs would get so bad I wouldn't know why.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you have any Okay, do you own anything
Speaker 1: that you think is in that rung of like's not
Speaker 1: importance but is important to.
Speaker 9: You, like that I would notice is gone, or that
Speaker 9: I would have well yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, things that like are kind of objectively seen is
Speaker 1: not important, but that you would find important.
Speaker 2: My cheese greater Ooh, that's a great answer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So if this guy stole your cheese greater friendship
Speaker 1: over well, like I would know how many. Okay, let
Speaker 1: me ask you this, all right, so you've been friends
Speaker 1: with this guy for three weeks? Yea, although how many
Speaker 1: How often have you hung out with him in those
Speaker 1: three weeks?
Speaker 9: Well, I've seen him three times or four times?
Speaker 2: Maybe? Okay.
Speaker 9: We went to do improv together, which was fun?
Speaker 3: How fast? How fast?
Speaker 1: Until because I gotta say, like, like, he's your friend? Like,
Speaker 1: like how that was a fast decoration?
Speaker 9: You know?
Speaker 3: How how fast I want to become friends?
Speaker 9: People normally say acquaintance?
Speaker 12: Yeah, but I just like skip over that. I like,
Speaker 12: I like that, Like we're friends now, Like you can
Speaker 12: come over if you want, I'll make you tea.
Speaker 1: I feel like you feel like we like this this
Speaker 1: was enough interaction for us to be labeled friends?
Speaker 12: Probably not, the more I think about it, I don't
Speaker 12: think so either, Like what does it take to be friends?
Speaker 9: Like what do you think?
Speaker 3: I feel like? If you and I.
Speaker 1: Inhabited the same space regularly O for a somewhat extended
Speaker 1: period of time, and throughout that period of time had
Speaker 1: extended amounts of conversations or you know, hung out either
Speaker 1: in a group or as one on one, we would
Speaker 1: then develop a friendship.
Speaker 2: But this is not.
Speaker 1: I don't think long enough for us to so I
Speaker 1: have to come back become friends, so you have to
Speaker 1: come back. Yeah, I guess in order for us to
Speaker 1: be friends, for us to be friends. Although actually I'll say, actually,
Speaker 1: you know what the guy at the very beginning, who
Speaker 1: like I saw him over there and he had like
Speaker 1: the uh, the table, the table. If I saw him again,
Speaker 1: I would be like, Yo, that's my boy. Although if
Speaker 1: I saw you here at this park again.
Speaker 9: Probably wouldn't recognize me because I look.
Speaker 3: Like maybe maybe I would. It's like i'd be like, hey, yo,
Speaker 3: I remember you. We talked.
Speaker 2: What's your name? I still actually don't know your name.
Speaker 2: What's your name, Rachel? Rachel?
Speaker 9: What's your name?
Speaker 2: Lyle? Lyle?
Speaker 3: So are you gonna continue to be friends with this person?
Speaker 12: I waited a little too long, so probably like it's
Speaker 12: gonna be a distant friend, like I'll go do improv
Speaker 12: or if we're in a group setting, but he's not.
Speaker 12: He's not getting like an invite over for like a
Speaker 12: dinner party type situation.
Speaker 3: So are you a comedian? No, what were you doing
Speaker 3: outside of a comedy club?
Speaker 12: So my friend's on Love Island and your friend on
Speaker 12: Love Island and I don't have At the time, I
Speaker 12: didn't know that my roommate had Peacock, which is a
Speaker 12: streaming service that Love Island's on. Yeah, so I just
Speaker 12: left a date and I was walking somewhere else to
Speaker 12: take the subway home, and I pass by and they
Speaker 12: have a big screen every night showing Love Island.
Speaker 3: Who's your friend that's on Love Island?
Speaker 9: Elon?
Speaker 2: I don't watch Love Island, Ela Elon, elon? Yeah, what
Speaker 2: does she look like?
Speaker 9: He?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 3: What does he look like?
Speaker 9: Jewish looking? He's got a fro?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Are you also Jewish?
Speaker 9: I'm also Jewish? Well what are you doing for shab butt?
Speaker 3: What am I doing for Shabbat?
Speaker 1: Yes, well I don't. I don't really do stuff for Shabbat.
Speaker 1: I just like, what are you doing for Shabbat?
Speaker 9: I just got invited like an hour ago to a rooftop,
Speaker 9: but really, where you want to come?
Speaker 2: Maybe?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Where where is it?
Speaker 12: It's a so it's at this guy's apartment and it
Speaker 12: has a really good view of the Williamsburg Bridge.
Speaker 1: Wait, actually I actually kind of do what plus one
Speaker 1: hund Okay, I'm actually kind of down.
Speaker 9: I think that'd be awesome.
Speaker 3: It's Williamsburg. Okay, Well we'll we'll talk.
Speaker 9: We can talk after I just don't want to peep
Speaker 9: the address.
Speaker 1: We can talk after, okay. So uh for really, what
Speaker 1: was the theme of your abot mitzvah?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 12: Mine was like, you know, I'm not like the other
Speaker 12: Jewish girls. I didn't want the big party, so I
Speaker 12: just had like three limos, you know, really casual and.
Speaker 2: Yuah yo, I know exactly what your house looks like? Really?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I feel like just by you saying that I know
Speaker 1: exactly what the interior of your house looks like.
Speaker 9: Okay, tell me about it.
Speaker 3: Uh, I can't like visually describe it. I can't like
Speaker 3: describe it.
Speaker 9: Are you just trying to come see my house?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 1: I'm just not not like no, like the house you
Speaker 1: grew up in. I assume did you did you grow
Speaker 1: up in a Jewish neighborhood?
Speaker 4: I did?
Speaker 9: But are we talking like?
Speaker 12: I lived in one house until I was five and
Speaker 12: then another one from like five on? So which one
Speaker 12: we talk about here?
Speaker 3: I guess the five on one?
Speaker 9: Goode?
Speaker 3: You actually three limosts?
Speaker 7: I did?
Speaker 12: Well?
Speaker 3: Well, tell me more about your butt mets for what?
Speaker 11: So going on?
Speaker 12: It was kind of interesting because at the time, like
Speaker 12: I could only be in one limo. You can't put
Speaker 12: me in all limos.
Speaker 9: So you knew the girls and the people in my
Speaker 9: limo were my fucking favorite people.
Speaker 3: Oh no, did that make the people in the other
Speaker 3: limos feel bad?
Speaker 9: I feel like they were a little dumb because they're
Speaker 9: like twelve.
Speaker 2: Okay, so they but like maybe.
Speaker 1: The Ember one, you invited at least somebody that you
Speaker 1: liked or did you have any like forced invites?
Speaker 12: No, no, four stinvites. No, it was it was only
Speaker 12: forty five people. So it was all people that I
Speaker 12: liked or that were more of my acquaintances. But my
Speaker 12: core people were in my limo.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, do you do a lot of like stuff
Speaker 2: for the Jewish holidays? No at me either, although I'll
Speaker 2: say except tonight for but I actually.
Speaker 3: I am in for tonight for spot. It sounds fun.
Speaker 9: But you got like, are you gonna keep? You gonna change?
Speaker 9: Are you gonna put on a keepa.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 9: But keep keep the fit.
Speaker 2: I got fit on this.
Speaker 9: We can get you a big keeper.
Speaker 3: Okay, I know I find a big enough keeper. I'd
Speaker 3: be dawn.
Speaker 2: But well, I was gonna say, uh, do you I
Speaker 2: don't they don't do? Do do women do to fill in?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 1: Because I'm always getting clocked by uh, like if I'm
Speaker 1: walking around Williamsburg, Like I always get clocked by the
Speaker 1: tafilling dudes.
Speaker 2: Do you do you?
Speaker 3: I guess? Do you know what I'm talking about? Like
Speaker 3: when you walk around h Williamsburg.
Speaker 6: Like if you're a guy and you look Jewish enough,
Speaker 6: like like an orthodox Jewish guy will.
Speaker 3: Come up to you and be like, hey, have you
Speaker 3: prayed today?
Speaker 9: I mean someone once stopped me on the street and
Speaker 9: gave me candles? Is that what it feels like?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Do they do they do they ask you if you
Speaker 3: were Jewish?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah? How do they? How do they do?
Speaker 9: It? Can smell us? I smell like a filter fish?
Speaker 2: Could you?
Speaker 3: Could you tell that I'm Jewish?
Speaker 12: Like I I assumed, but I didn't want to like
Speaker 12: assume wrong, so I just didn't say anything.
Speaker 1: He assume I was Jewish before I said anything? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what what made you feel that way?
Speaker 2: You're just like super weird, you know I I I
Speaker 2: appreciate that.
Speaker 9: I say that, Like I'm also super weird.
Speaker 3: Okay, so what is super weird about you?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 9: Trying to think about the difference between weird and cool.
Speaker 3: You don't have to think about that. You can just
Speaker 3: tell that whatever you.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 12: When I match with someone on a dating app and
Speaker 12: get to know them, my first thing is I suggest
Speaker 12: a call.
Speaker 9: People are really thrown off.
Speaker 2: I do the same thing.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: After a few messages, I'm like I after a few messages,
Speaker 1: I'll be like, h hey, would you actually want to
Speaker 1: do a video chat? Because on a because like you
Speaker 1: can only I think like it's it's good for a
Speaker 1: few reasons.
Speaker 3: Is it's very efficient.
Speaker 1: It's afficient for both you and the other, because neither
Speaker 1: you nor the person you're talking to wants to spend
Speaker 1: a whole fucking evening of their life with somebody who.
Speaker 9: Has a really weird voice, who has a.
Speaker 1: Really annoying voice, or looks different from their photos. See,
Speaker 1: the video chat is like for both ends. It's I
Speaker 1: get to go, Hey, here's what I look like today,
Speaker 1: Here's what I have a question. Here, here's a little
Speaker 1: bit of what here's like a preview, and if and
Speaker 1: after this little effort preview fifteen minutes, I'm keeping it.
Speaker 1: The fifteen minutes. I'm on my couch, she's on her couch.
Speaker 1: We don't have to leave, we don't have to spend
Speaker 1: any money. We don't have to do anything, and then
Speaker 1: if if the vibe is good, we upgrade it to
Speaker 1: an in person meet.
Speaker 2: So during the call, yes, are you am I in
Speaker 2: the suit?
Speaker 9: Are you decked out?
Speaker 3: I'm not gecked out, But occasionally do you say gekt out?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Like gekt out?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 12: I like that.
Speaker 3: Did you just come up with that, gecko?
Speaker 9: Did you just say that for the first time? The
Speaker 9: gekt out?
Speaker 3: That's kind of how I refer to like being in
Speaker 3: the costume.
Speaker 9: It's cool.
Speaker 3: Fuck, What the hell was I going to say?
Speaker 9: You're talking about being on the couch?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but no, it's been. It's it's I've
Speaker 1: very much enjoyed the pre Yeah, you don't waste any
Speaker 1: other time. I was like, if I'm on a first date,
Speaker 1: it requires a lot of energy. I think to go
Speaker 1: on a first date, not.
Speaker 9: If it's with the right person.
Speaker 12: To be honest, I think the right a good date
Speaker 12: with the right person should give you energy.
Speaker 1: I quasi agree with that. I think, however, my energy
Speaker 1: is half. You know, I'm not gonna put like a
Speaker 1: full number to it. I won't say half, but part
Speaker 1: of how I how I part of my energy is yes,
Speaker 1: you're right, how the other person energy is. And then
Speaker 1: part of it is just like how I'm feeling, and
Speaker 1: I think, like to go on a date, and like,
Speaker 1: you know, like if I'm going on a date and
Speaker 1: I like, you know, care, it's like, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: throwing all my best stories out there, I'm like, but
Speaker 1: I'm like trying, I'm attempting to channel, Like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: have a strong range in my personality. Like I'm like,
Speaker 1: under certain conditions, Under certain conditions, I'm the coolest, funniest,
Speaker 1: most charismatic guy ever. I under certain phases of the moon,
Speaker 1: certain amounts of like vib ance or coffee or like
Speaker 1: how my day was feeling, Okay, Like I can reach
Speaker 1: that pinnacle, and then I can also be like just
Speaker 1: just like a dreadful to be around and just be
Speaker 1: like like very socially awkward and have no energy and
Speaker 1: extremely timid and extremely like depressed or anxious, you know.
Speaker 3: And it's like I have a strong range, you know,
Speaker 3: And I feel like if I'm.
Speaker 1: On a first date, you know, and I care whatever,
Speaker 1: I'll attempt to I'll attempt I mean, actually I feel
Speaker 1: like where I land on any given day in that
Speaker 1: range is actually something that feels out of my control
Speaker 1: in many ways, in many sense I've attempted to solve
Speaker 1: for X.
Speaker 3: How in what conditions do I feel the most.
Speaker 9: Energized energized? When do you feel the most energized.
Speaker 1: Around two pm on a day that I took my
Speaker 1: vibeance at ten am, on a day where I'm around
Speaker 1: other people and you know, in settings like I feel
Speaker 1: very energized by settings like these, you know, where I'm
Speaker 1: around other people in life and stuff like right now,
Speaker 1: I feel extremely energized. But you know, if whatever, if
Speaker 1: I just got back, if I just like, if it's
Speaker 1: like ten pm and I smoked a bunch of weed
Speaker 1: and I felt like shit all.
Speaker 2: Day, I'm not gonna be energized, you know. So I
Speaker 2: have a strong range in my energy.
Speaker 3: But uh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: So again, I just wanted a whole ramp. But I
Speaker 1: think doing a call is not weird. I think people
Speaker 1: appreciate it. I think a call is good.
Speaker 3: So let me ask you this. Okay, so you do
Speaker 3: a call? Yep, how many?
Speaker 1: Mathematically, how many of your calls have resulted in like
Speaker 1: in person meetups?
Speaker 9: Maybe fifty percent? Some calls have been very weird.
Speaker 3: In what way.
Speaker 12: One guy had like a dog named Chicken, and he
Speaker 12: brought his dog on the call and he's like, look,
Speaker 12: chicken can howl. And then he's like, makes a noise
Speaker 12: at chicken, and Chicken starts howling, and then a lot
Speaker 12: of the times this is the weird thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, wait, wait, before you get into that, you
Speaker 1: did not like when he made the chicken howl because
Speaker 1: you you proudly identified as weird, and so I assume.
Speaker 9: He was weird.
Speaker 12: But in that moment, I was like, Okay, it's weird,
Speaker 12: but I can get like it's kind of like a quirk.
Speaker 12: It's not a deal breaker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, sure, sure, the.
Speaker 12: Deal breaker was here's an interesting thing, Okay, I with
Speaker 12: guys that I'm talking to, it's kind of a tell
Speaker 12: that I'm not that into them. Also, just we like
Speaker 12: look at each other's matches because don't you ever want
Speaker 12: to like know what your competition is.
Speaker 1: Why Why is that a tell that you're not that
Speaker 1: into them? Because I have a different perspective on that.
Speaker 12: Maybe it's not a tell, but maybe it's like it's
Speaker 12: a little bit more on the I don't care, which
Speaker 12: comes out more when you're not interested?
Speaker 3: Why is that on the I don't care, Okay, I'll
Speaker 3: here's what I think is.
Speaker 1: Like, I think that like when you're like, oh, let
Speaker 1: me see your matches or like let me see your conversation,
Speaker 1: I think that's very vulnerable.
Speaker 3: You know, like that's a vulnerable thing to like show you.
Speaker 9: So vulnerable because you're just showing like all the attention
Speaker 9: you get from other people.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think that like depends on the guy.
Speaker 12: Like if it's someone who doesn't have a lot of matches,
Speaker 12: then maybe it's not the best look.
Speaker 9: But if it's someone who has a lot of matches,
Speaker 9: then maybe.
Speaker 1: But I think that like there's something It's like there's
Speaker 1: vulnerability within those conversations.
Speaker 3: And also, look, there is vulnerability in like.
Speaker 1: The thing that you're what I think, if I understand,
Speaker 1: if I correctly understand, the reason why you believe it
Speaker 1: is a tell that you're not that interested that same reason,
Speaker 1: if I correctly understand, it would be to me a
Speaker 1: display of vulnerability. And I think displays of vulnerability bring
Speaker 1: people closer together. I maybe I'm interpreting it wrong, but
Speaker 1: with what you just said.
Speaker 9: I agree that it brings people together.
Speaker 12: But for people who are truly afraid of vulnerability, it
Speaker 12: almost like it can pull someone towards you because they're like, wow,
Speaker 12: like you're really vulnerable and that's cool, and I want
Speaker 12: to be more vulnerable, so I'm gonna come closer.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 12: But then some people it's like, wow, I don't know
Speaker 12: what that is because I I was like taught to
Speaker 12: be tough, so vulnerability scares me and it can make
Speaker 12: people leave interesting.
Speaker 3: So it's a litmus test in that sense.
Speaker 12: It's a litmus test of how comfortable someone is with
Speaker 12: being uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Okay, so fifty percent of these phone calls ended in
Speaker 1: person things. Okay, so did you have any other weird
Speaker 1: phone calls besides the guy making his dog bark?
Speaker 9: I'm sure I have.
Speaker 3: The you meet up with the dog bark guy.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: No, how soon into meeting someone, whether it's on a
Speaker 1: phone date or a real date, can you instinctively tell
Speaker 1: whether or not you like them?
Speaker 9: I would say within five minutes, if not less.
Speaker 1: Okay, and after five After five minutes, okay, let's say
Speaker 1: like all right, right now, I'm hovering my hand here
Speaker 1: for those listening on audio, if I if I'm up here. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's like there's neutral, right, yeah, okay, So does it
Speaker 1: take you five minutes to go from neutral to I
Speaker 1: don't like them? Versus can it take you five minutes
Speaker 1: to go from neutral to I like them?
Speaker 9: Or or do you know?
Speaker 2: Do you get on?
Speaker 1: I'm asking you no, okay, like, because you can very
Speaker 1: clearly Okay, I guess what I'm asking you is you
Speaker 1: can pretty easily tell if you don't like someone within
Speaker 1: five minutes. So there's just five minutes enough time for
Speaker 1: you to tell if you do actively like someone.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying now, So I'm.
Speaker 9: I'm a different case.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 12: When I decide that I like someone, I almost immediately
Speaker 12: like once I've decided, it's done, they have to like
Speaker 12: be really fucked up.
Speaker 3: Dude, I think that's your yo. That's the thing about
Speaker 3: a lot of dates. It's like.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'll put a gender on it,
Speaker 1: but like I think, like maybe I will, Like forgot,
Speaker 1: I think for a lot of guys is like a
Speaker 1: date is like it's.
Speaker 2: Only your game to lose.
Speaker 9: Can you explain that, Like what.
Speaker 1: You just said, if I like someone, it's done, right,
Speaker 1: So it's like when when I say, like, it's only
Speaker 1: your game to lose, It's like I assume when you
Speaker 1: like someone, it's done unless if they actively do something
Speaker 1: that is like.
Speaker 9: Very honestly, they could actively do something weird. Yeah, but
Speaker 9: it has to be like really really fucked up.
Speaker 2: Okay, like they have to kill someone. Really, that's it.
Speaker 12: Like once the times that I've decided about someone, uh huh,
Speaker 12: and I was so confident, except like maybe once or
Speaker 12: twice they're.
Speaker 9: The ones that has to have to end it.
Speaker 3: And you made that decision in five minutes? What information
Speaker 3: did you have?
Speaker 9: Maybe not five? Maybe not five hanging out together once?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 9: And then I've decided.
Speaker 3: Sure? What information do you gather that makes you like
Speaker 3: someone or an act like something?
Speaker 9: It's honestly a lot of its energy.
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 9: Are they confident? Do they know who they are? Do
Speaker 9: you feel safe around them?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 9: And then there are certain things.
Speaker 12: Just like fix about their voice, like do they have
Speaker 12: a really weird voice or do they have any really
Speaker 12: intense views on things?
Speaker 2: Sure? Is there anything else that you I have things
Speaker 2: to share?
Speaker 3: Do you do you do you guys? Is there anything
Speaker 3: else do you want to show? Do you feel?
Speaker 1: Do you feel satisfied with this conversation or is there
Speaker 1: anything that you would want?
Speaker 9: Well, how are you feeling?
Speaker 1: I feel pretty good. I feel like I feel like
Speaker 1: this was a good hour and fifty minutes for me.
Speaker 1: I started today, I was like taking phone calls. That's
Speaker 1: how I normally do this podcast. But I was doing
Speaker 1: that for twenty minutes, and I was like, I can't
Speaker 1: do it anymore.
Speaker 2: I have to go outside. And so now I am here.
Speaker 9: I have some things went much better than it went
Speaker 9: better you thought.
Speaker 3: I feel like it much better, went much better than
Speaker 3: I thought.
Speaker 9: So I have a hot take.
Speaker 2: Hot take, and let me know what you think.
Speaker 3: Oh crazy.
Speaker 12: In New York, the coolest things are either downstairs or upstairs.
Speaker 3: I I like that hot take.
Speaker 1: I think if you go down a flight of stairs
Speaker 1: for something, it's cool, into something like comedy.
Speaker 9: Seller cool, smalls cool?
Speaker 2: What is Small's the jazz club?
Speaker 3: Oh I've never been there.
Speaker 9: Damn, I'm sure there's more.
Speaker 2: I agree with that.
Speaker 9: And upstairs it's cool too.
Speaker 1: I prefer a downstairs than an upstairs, but upstairs cool
Speaker 1: it means you, Oh there's the fucking yeah there he is.
Speaker 3: I love that guy. Okay, if you were only listening
Speaker 3: on audio.
Speaker 1: There's a guy who rides around town balancing a tire
Speaker 1: on his head, and he just drove by.
Speaker 12: And I got really so like, what's your dinner party
Speaker 12: trick that you're gonna pull out at the shab about
Speaker 12: dinner tonight?
Speaker 1: Oh shit, what's my dinner party trick that I'll pull
Speaker 1: out the shabout dinner tonight?
Speaker 12: Uh uh?
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll bring a pen and I'll be like, do
Speaker 1: you want to play? I'm thinking of like something quirky
Speaker 1: I can do. I can be like, uh, I'll bring
Speaker 1: a pen and be like, hey, do you want to
Speaker 1: play Tic tac toe on my arm?
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 3: That's weird, right?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 3: Okay, well, what's your party trick?
Speaker 2: You have one?
Speaker 12: My party trick? I can balance a broom on my finger.
Speaker 12: But I feel like a lot of people could do that.
Speaker 3: A lot of people cannot do that.
Speaker 9: They can't.
Speaker 12: No, I'm a good dancer, Okay, I can sing. I
Speaker 12: can like crack out some amy winehouse.
Speaker 1: M Is there anything that I should be prepared for
Speaker 1: for this Shabbat dinner tonight?
Speaker 2: Should do I need to bring something?
Speaker 11: I don't know?
Speaker 9: Like that's the one thing.
Speaker 12: Like I'm an adult now, and I know you're supposed
Speaker 12: to bring things to dinner parties. Okay, but like what's
Speaker 12: the rule on that if you get invited after three
Speaker 12: thirty pm and the parties at seven thirty?
Speaker 9: Like, are you exempt?
Speaker 3: I think we'll probably be fine. Who invited you?
Speaker 9: Some some person?
Speaker 12: Okay, it's his birthday tomorrow. Okay, we could like go
Speaker 12: havesies on some flowers. Maybe, oh you know, we could
Speaker 12: do we could bring uh champagne. No, I was gonna say,
Speaker 12: we should bring rainbow cookies. Yeah, he's a very Jewish food,
Speaker 12: like rugula. You know, it's like it's like a little
Speaker 12: like bites of cake with rainbow.
Speaker 9: And like, uh those those are always a hit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you know? Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 9: But I feel like most of the Jewish places are
Speaker 9: closed right now.
Speaker 1: We get black and white cookies. Yeah, it could be cool.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 1: people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 9: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: No, you're really nothing. You don't have anything? Oh there
Speaker 2: is again.
Speaker 3: I love this s guy. I'm gonna give him a dollar.
Speaker 12: What.
Speaker 2: Uh you have nothing? Any way?
Speaker 3: I said, you don't have to it's you.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I actually have something to say, but I want
Speaker 9: to Can I look it up? Do you have a second?
Speaker 12: Uh?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 9: Okay?
Speaker 7: Wait?
Speaker 2: What do you?
Speaker 3: Where are you?
Speaker 9: Are you?
Speaker 2: Is it like something from the internet.
Speaker 9: It's the name of something.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, yeah, yeah, you have a promote, you have
Speaker 3: some you want to promote.
Speaker 9: Yeah, but it's not for me.
Speaker 3: Okay, who's it for?
Speaker 9: It's a friend? Okay, well I met him once.
Speaker 3: You have so many You probably have so many friends.
Speaker 2: Man, give me one second.
Speaker 3: What do we know? Okay? Can I ask you?
Speaker 2: What is the thing?
Speaker 12: He He made a book and it's a really cool book.
Speaker 12: I think he would honestly be a really cool person
Speaker 12: for you to interview.
Speaker 4: Cool.
Speaker 12: It's called I think it's called Questions. I don't want
Speaker 12: to get it wrong, but I think it's called questions
Speaker 12: for humanity or questions something humanity.
Speaker 9: And he went around the world.
Speaker 12: And he asked people if you could ask one question
Speaker 12: to humanity, any question, what would you ask? And it's
Speaker 12: a mix of He took pictures for the book of
Speaker 12: the people he met along the way, and he included
Speaker 12: what their answers were. And he sometimes goes on the
Speaker 12: street and asks people. And I just think that that's
Speaker 12: a really cool, really cool.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, uh wait, we're almost done. We're almost done,
Speaker 1: and then we can then uh and then uh I'll
Speaker 1: tell you all about it.
Speaker 4: Wait.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, we were just talking about you guys.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, oh wait, okay, all right, that is actually
Speaker 1: that is actually extremely Okay, I'm gonna give some context
Speaker 1: for the audio listeners. Okay, So earlier, I was just
Speaker 1: talking about how occasionally, as I'm walking through Williamsburg, Jewish
Speaker 1: gentleman will clock me that I am Jewish and asked
Speaker 1: me to do the to fill in, and that that
Speaker 1: just happened.
Speaker 3: Wait, okay, can I can I do it off?
Speaker 7: Can we?
Speaker 9: Can I do it after we you should do it
Speaker 9: in the frog suit?
Speaker 2: Can I do it?
Speaker 3: I'll do Can I do it after we're done?
Speaker 10: Uh?
Speaker 1: Sorry, I want to just finish up, but I'll do
Speaker 1: it afterwards. Uh oh, let me let me finish real
Speaker 1: quick and then we'll do it. Okay, okay, cool, Okay,
Speaker 1: what was the thing you wanted to you wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about? Drop the name of the thing we're in.
Speaker 1: We're in big postgame podcast right now. I'm gonna end
Speaker 1: this thing. It's been to here we go, Okay, hit
Speaker 1: us with the self promotion. So it's not for me,
Speaker 1: but it's for I guess it's not self promotion, hit
Speaker 1: us with the friend promotion.
Speaker 12: It's called Questions to Humanity and it is a coffee
Speaker 12: table book that has questions. This friend of mine went
Speaker 12: around the world and ask different people if they could
Speaker 12: ask humanity one question, what would they ask? And he
Speaker 12: took pictures of them and it's just a really interesting project.
Speaker 9: So you should check it out. And also I will
Speaker 9: drop my Instagram it is Rachel Himmel r A C
Speaker 9: H E L H I M M E L. This
Speaker 9: was fun.
Speaker 1: Rachel, nice to meet you. Thank you very much for
Speaker 1: talking to a gecko. This has been being a gecko
Speaker 1: in the park in real life.
Speaker 3: This was great. What a fun day talking of people.
Speaker 1: If you're listening to this, uh it's over now go outside,
Speaker 1: go if you go leave, go go outside, touch some
Speaker 1: touch some grad do something with your life or not.
Speaker 1: You don't have to You don't ever have to do anything.
Speaker 1: Subscribe or don't do something or don't do something. Ghak
Speaker 1: Bless you all, thanks for watching. I'll see you again
Speaker 1: at another time and place on the internet or in
Speaker 1: the afterlife.
Speaker 3: Okay, Bye everyone, Thank you very much for watching