1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Gradios How Stuff Works. Welcome back 5 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: to the show. My name is Matt noel Is on 6 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: Adventures they called me Ben. We are joined as always 7 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: with our super producer Paul Michion controlled decond Most importantly, 8 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: you are you. You are here, and that makes this 9 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know this. This is 10 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 1: what I'm pretty excited about. Matt, what about you. Yeah, 11 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: it's been a minute since we've really gotten our unexplained 12 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: phenomena i e. Uh UFOs, unidentified flying objects, sometimes unidentified 13 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: submerged objects, any of those. We're we're into it. And 14 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: we had a lot of people, a lot of our 15 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: fellow listeners suggest this topic, so we we picked one 16 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: one person that we wanted you to hear from directly. Hey, boys, UM, 17 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of your show, and uh, I 18 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: really enjoy all the episodes you do. I just had 19 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: an idea for a great episode and that's uh, the 20 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: mystery of the Shag Harbor incident. That was a huge 21 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: UFO sighting seen by many many people actually relatives of 22 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: personal friends of mine here in Eastern Canada. Happened on 23 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: the south shore of Nova Scotia back in the sixties 24 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: and not far from Oak Island, right, another awesome place 25 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: of mystery. So apparently there was a pretty substantial RCMP 26 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: investigation into that, And yeah, I think it would make 27 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: for a great episode. Yes, thank you anonymous caller from 28 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: East Canada over there in Nova Scotia, for near Nova 29 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: Scotia at least, Yeah, thank you so much. These are 30 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: two fantastic ideas that have been on our mutual minds 31 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: for some time. Oak Island is a story all its own, 32 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: and we've done some videos on that before, right, Matt, Yeah, 33 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: we have. I cannot recall if we've actually made a 34 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: podcast episode, but we should if we haven't, Yeah, maybe 35 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: Buried Treasure episode or something tantalizing, tantalizing story Shag Harbor however, Yeah, 36 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: that's what that's what we're going to look at today. 37 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: It has been quite a while, old friends, since we 38 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: did an episode on UFOs. I for one am you know, 39 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: I'm still convinced that various governments are hiding some sort 40 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: of advanced technology or another. And and you both of us, you, 41 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: especially Fox Molder style, still want to believe is that correct? 42 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: Very much true, especially with something like the incident we're 43 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: going to discuss today. Our caller said that, you know, 44 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: a bunch of people witnessed this thing, and it is 45 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: true that, I would say dozens. I think dozens of 46 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: people did witness this at some point during the official incident. 47 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: You know, it's not a ton of people. It's not 48 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:13,839 Speaker 1: like it was over a large city and a bunch 49 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: of you know, everyone had their cell phones or something. 50 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: We're talking nineteen sixty seven. But enough people saw it 51 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: that it wasn't just a trick of the light that 52 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: you know, a captain on a ship saw, or you know, 53 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: maybe a meteor that could be explained pretty easily, or 54 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: something funky on the horizon seen by a pilot exactly. 55 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: There's there are more, there are more vantages to this 56 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: than a lot of UFO sightings. This is one of 57 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: the most well documented UFO sightings in modern history. To 58 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: be honest, they call it Canada's Roswell, and that's not 59 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: an ironic name like Little John or something. This this 60 00:03:54,800 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: really is one of the most historically significant, well known 61 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: and famous or infamous UFO sightings in Canadian history, if 62 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: not the most famous. So we received tons of great 63 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: episodes for specific UFO sightings. We get them a lot. 64 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: This one we were curious about because if you're not 65 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: from Canada and you don't spend much time thinking about UFOs, 66 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: you probably have not heard of shag Harbor. A lot 67 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: of people who are upologists in the United States may 68 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: not have heard of this. But here are the facts. 69 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: Shag Harbor is a tiny, tiny town, a village really, 70 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: and it is as as our color said, on the 71 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: southern shore of Nova Scotia. The population is somewhere between 72 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: it's under five people, it's four hundred four and fifty 73 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: people or so. And their big business is lobster, which 74 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: I love this because lobster is amazing. But here where 75 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: we're based and landlocked Atlanta, Georgia, you get what you 76 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: pay for, yeah yeah, um. And just so you have 77 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: an idea of where this is. If you do live 78 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: in the United States, as do most of of you 79 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: out there listening, we know this, um if you are 80 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: in Portland, Maine. So if you're imagining Portland, Maine, way 81 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: up there in the northeast uh section of the United States, 82 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: and you essentially go east. No, it's not perfectly east 83 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: because we live, you know, on a globe. But if 84 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 1: you look east on a map and you just travel 85 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: that till you hit Nova Scotia, you essentially hit Shag Harbor, 86 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: just to know exactly where you are, because Nova Scotia 87 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: is essentially a peninsula that comes down. Um, it's close 88 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: to an island, but that's peninsula that comes down off 89 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: of Canada up on the top there on the eastern side. Yea. 90 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: And this this fishing community, right, most of their business 91 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: in the fishing industry takes place from November to May. 92 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: That's going to be important for the story as it unfolds. 93 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: On a side note, I just checked downstairs at one 94 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: of the only places that does sell lobster rolls here 95 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: in the area. Twenty four dollars for one for like 96 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: a small lobster rule, right, for just a regular lobster rule. 97 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: And that's of course to get that lobster to Atlanta 98 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: and then buy it in pont City Market. Oh boy, now, 99 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: just saying it might be a little inflated, that's all. 100 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: That's all. One day Matt. Maybe one day I'll treat 101 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: myself to a lobster. You know what, I might just 102 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: at this point, maybe I should just fly to Maine 103 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: or Nova Scotia. Let's well, let's look at Dave's Lobster 104 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: in Halifax. Let's see. Let's see if they've got a menu. 105 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 1: I looked up some places in Shag Harbor there I 106 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: couldn't find. I couldn't get the website for Captain Wayne's 107 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: to work. But I'm I'm interested. So if you're listening, 108 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: you've ever been to, uh, Captain Wayne's in Shag Harbor. 109 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: Let let let me know what you think, and let 110 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: me know what I should order when I go there, 111 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: because after this, after doing this research, I'm excited about 112 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: taking a trip there one day. That would be wonderful. 113 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: We should definitely do that. And while we're there, we 114 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: can check out the Chapel Hill Museum, Captain Waynes, and 115 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: some other restaurants, a few tourism sites. But what sort 116 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: of tourism sites, you may ask, Well, you know a 117 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: lot of people would probably go out there for fishing 118 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: or maybe to try and catch their own lobster. Dude, 119 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: that would be so cool. Uh. Some people may visit 120 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: for the history of Chapel Hill, which is historically significant site. 121 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: But many people visit for a different reason. They visit 122 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: Shag Harbor, you see, because they are convinced that human 123 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:49,679 Speaker 1: beings saw a UFO, not even a UFO, an extra 124 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: terrestrial object in this town in the nineties sixties. Here's 125 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy. So let's get our let's get 126 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: our primary sources for this right, and we'll go with 127 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: the official story, and then we'll go with some speculation, 128 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: and then we'll go with some analysis. That sounds great. 129 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm over explaining it. That's very Alice 130 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: in Wonderland, where the Hatter says, start at the beginning, 131 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: to go through the middle, and when you get to 132 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: the end, stop. Signposts, in my opinion, are actually good, 133 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: so let's keep with them. Okay, all right, Well we've 134 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: made a promise now, Matt, so we'll have to try 135 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: to We'll have to try to keep our stories straight, 136 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: which is a problem in the Shag Harbor tale as well. 137 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: Our primary sources for contemporary reports from the authorities and 138 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 1: civilian witnesses come from a paper called the Halifax Chronicle Herald. 139 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: And here's here's most of what we do. On Wednesday, 140 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: October four, at around eleven twenty pm, multiple witnesses claimed 141 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: to see the following. Some reported a row of lights. 142 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: Row of light it's on a craft that was roughly 143 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: sixty feet long. Now that's of course an approximation, but 144 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: that was used several times, uh sixty ft long and 145 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: this row of lights on whatever this thing was. The 146 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: lights at least because a lot of people couldn't at 147 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: least several of the reports couldn't see an object. They 148 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: just saw the lights because of the distance they were away. 149 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: But the lights descended down and there was some kind 150 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: of noise that was emanating from whatever this was that was. 151 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: It was reported as like a whistle sometimes sometimes as 152 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: a whooshing sound. Um. And it was almost like it 153 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: was akin to, at least some of them said a 154 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: bomb falling, or like in a movie you would hear 155 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: a bomb like exactly, um. And it was so this 156 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: it was descending down right and then it hovered over 157 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: the water out there at Shag Harbor or right outside 158 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: of Shag Harbor essentially hovered over the water just momentarily, 159 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: and then it began to submerge, and there was some 160 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: weird details were going to get into here with how 161 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: the light functioned or didn't function. It was very strange, 162 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: but let's continue along. Yes, yes, the object or the 163 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: lights whatever this was, uh, submerged into the Atlantic Ocean, 164 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: a famously large body of water, which, by the way, 165 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: if you were in shack Harbor to your to your east, 166 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: nothing but water. That's it. Yeah, exactly, Uh. And emergency crews, 167 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: primarily the Royal Canadian Mounted Police or the RCMP, as 168 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: our caller mentioned earlier, they arrived within fifteen minutes or so, 169 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: so they're not fooling around. They reasonably assumed this was 170 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: a plane crash at first, so lives could be on 171 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: the line and the clock is ticking. The Coast Guard 172 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: later joins in the search. Initially civilians and authorities the 173 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: way the story goes, noted a thick yellow foam, or specifically, 174 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: a glittery yellow foam. A local fishing boat captain said 175 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: this was about eighty feet why the swath of foam, 176 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: and it's important to remember that he made this observation 177 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: in the darkness, based on his unaided eyesight. According to 178 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: the records, no one obtained a sample of this strange substance. 179 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: So even today we we don't know what it is. 180 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: We can guess, but we don't know. For about three days, 181 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: the authorities searched the bottom of the harbor and they 182 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: have no luck. They find nothing, no bodies, no debris. 183 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: Uh bubb kiss. They also find when they contact Halifax 184 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: and other regional authorities that no planes were reported missing. 185 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: And with that, the incident seemed set to be a 186 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: flash in the pan headline. Local radio reported it, The 187 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: Chronicle Herald reported it, but it seemed like an unusual 188 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: fighting that, like thousands and thousands of others, would eventually 189 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: end up being little more than a footnote in regional 190 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: history books. That's see that this is the important thing. 191 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: So this happens in nineteen sixty seven, right, it's twenty 192 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: nineteen now, and this is a famous, world famous UFO incident. 193 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: But in let's say nineteen seventy seven, this was not 194 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: the case. Something happened between sixty seven and today that 195 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: changed the way the public thinks about this specific night 196 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: in October. And and you know, I know I'm setting 197 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: us up here, but we will tell you what that 198 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: moment is. We found it. But for now, let's let's 199 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: look at the facts. That's the gist of the story, 200 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: and there are a couple of problems with it, a 201 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: couple of contradictions. If we rely just on the articles 202 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: from the Chronicle Herald, what do we find. We'll tell 203 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 1: you right after a quick word from our sponsor. Well, 204 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: if we do rely on those Chronicle Herald articles and 205 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 1: we just say that that's all we're gonna use, we're 206 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: gonna find a couple of things. First, is that uh, 207 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: four teenagers said, and this this is a claim, they 208 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: saw four lights, not three. They said that the lights 209 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: were yellow or white. So we were already here like 210 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,599 Speaker 1: even amongst a group of people who were from the 211 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 1: same vantage, saying they saw maybe slightly different things. They 212 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: confirmed the lights were descending coming down from the sky. 213 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: One of the four kids said the lights appeared to 214 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: turn off and on or blink in some way. Another 215 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: kid said that he heard the aforementioned whistling noise, the 216 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: some sound. So again one one of the four witnesses said, 217 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: I heard it emitting some kind of sound, But the 218 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: other kids, the other three didn't mention anything about a 219 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: sound until this other person mentioned it. Who knows if 220 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: that's then some kind of confirmation bias or wanting to 221 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: be correct if you've missed it. Another team said he 222 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: heard a loud noise when the lights appeared to hit 223 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: the water, So some kind of boom or splash. That's 224 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: where you kind of get that end of the bomb sound. 225 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: And you know, if it was a massive object and 226 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: it impacted the water, there would be some kind of sound. 227 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: It just depends on how far away you are if 228 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: you could hear it. Essentially, if it were indeed, a 229 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: craft sixty ft long, no matter how light it was, 230 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: would make an audible noise. Present if a UFO falls 231 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: in the water and no one's around doesn't make a sound. Yes, 232 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: another thing you're gonna find is that a whole separate 233 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: group of people in this case, a couple other teenagers 234 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: said they saw three red orange lights this time, so 235 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: rather than white, yellow, white or yellow descending again from 236 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: the sky forming a line at a roughly forty five 237 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: degree angle. Now, these two this uh, this pair they 238 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: were actually driving when they when they saw this, and 239 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: they didn't stop the vehicle and the lights just kind 240 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: of passed out of you as they're driving around. Um, 241 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: and you know, you're probably somewhere near the coast over there, 242 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: and they're going to be gone even if they're descending down. Um, 243 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: so we at least have two vantage points specifically from 244 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: the Chronicle Herald, specifically teenagers. And this isn't the end 245 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: of our witness list. This is just where the witness 246 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: list gets a little bit at times murky. But picture 247 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: picture yourself looking at an aerial map of Shag Harbor 248 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: and you can pull one up right now, and you 249 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: can pull one up right now now zoom out and 250 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: taking a bigger region into your aerial view, and there's Halifax. Okay. 251 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: So local radio stations reported a glowing object have been 252 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: seen by a bunch of people who called their newsrooms 253 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: and they reported witnessing strange glowing objects flying around Halifax 254 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: at around ten pm. So what is our established timeline 255 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: at this point? When did the impact at the water 256 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: do we have we established that yet would be either 257 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: it would be before midnight but after exactly. Okay, So 258 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: we couped like an hour and change beforehand all over 259 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: Halifax and been as you said, like not a significantly 260 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: significant distance way but far enough away an hour before 261 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: that you see lights, glowing objects, got it right? Yeah? 262 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: It would be helpful for us to say that distance, right, 263 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: it's about from Halifax, Nova Scotia to shag Harbor, Nova Scotia. 264 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: You really going about two kilometers or one hundred and 265 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: fifty eight miles, So that's pretty far. That's that's according 266 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: to distance between cities dot net. Oh, that's great. That's 267 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: that's just their thing, unless it's a driving distance of 268 00:16:55,000 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: some sort, right, right, So the radio stations are reporting this, 269 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: and they're not the only ones. Air Canada Flight three 270 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: oh five noted something strange on the left side of 271 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: their plane at seven fifteen pm, and they called it 272 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: a brilliantly lit rectangular object with a string of smaller 273 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: lights trailing the object. At seven nineteen the pilots noticed 274 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: a sizeable silent explosion near the object, and two minutes 275 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: later another explosion occurred and it faded to a blue 276 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: cloud around this thing whatever it was they saw. So 277 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: they when I read when I read that, and I 278 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: read that all I hear is force field of some sort, 279 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: I got hit or or like reacted. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. 280 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: So we know they saw something unusual, but we don't 281 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: know necessarily whether that is tied to this stuff that 282 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: happens hours later. This is where we want to introduce 283 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: our first book, the one that people would consider conspiratorial. 284 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: Doug Ledger wrote a book called Aratime UFO Files, and 285 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: in this book he claims that additional witnesses exist. Darryl 286 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: Dorry and his sister Annette and Darryl's mother were sitting 287 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: on their front porch when they noticed a large object 288 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 1: maneuvering above the southwestern horizon. The next day, Darryl writes 289 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: a letter to the Royal Canadian Air Force Greenwood Base commander, 290 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: asking what was flying over the water that evening because 291 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it? And yes, so we've got, 292 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: you know, um, two people who who saw something and 293 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: they reported it, which is you know, always good, especially 294 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: reporting it to uh a commander of a base with 295 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: the Royal Canadian Air Force. That's pretty cool and it's 296 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: good to know. But then you turn to our next witness, 297 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: Captain Leo Howard Mercy. Now this gentleman, you can actually 298 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: find uh, you can find a memo because he contacted 299 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: the Royal Canadian and Mounted Police and a report was 300 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: taken on the seventh of October nineteen UM and as 301 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: pertaining to the fourth, but an actual you can find 302 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: a written report, and so you know, we're we're saying 303 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: that this is taken from maritime UFO files by Doug Ledger, 304 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: and it's true. But a lot of times when you're, 305 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,479 Speaker 1: you know, reading a book like that, it's hard to 306 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: know whether the sources are legit, are real. Right, in 307 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: this case, they most certainly are so. Uh, Howard Mercy, 308 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: Captain Leo Howard Mercy, he was looking at his radar. 309 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: He's standing on his ship and he's looking at four 310 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: blips on his deca radar. They seem to be stationary. 311 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: But then you know, he says, well, I want to 312 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: see I want to see what this is. He looks 313 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: out and he's about twenty eight kilometers from where he 314 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: is on his ship. Um, he could see four bright 315 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: lights in again kind of a formation, like a rectangular 316 00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: formation roughly is what he was estimating. And then, uh, 317 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: the entire crew of I think it was twenty, yeah, 318 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: nearly twenty fishermen who were with him on his ship, 319 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: they went out, they got on the deck. They watched 320 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: this thing, this object, whatever it is, this group of objects. Um, 321 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: they watched it. And he was in the Northeastern Sky 322 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: and then this guy Mercy radio the Rescue Coordination Center 323 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: at the Harbor Master in Halifax, and he asked for, 324 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: you know, something like, hey, guys, what's going on over there? 325 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,959 Speaker 1: And it was one of those things where he he 326 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: reported knowing that the Air Force conducted you know, testing 327 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: out in that area where where he was looking. So 328 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: we didn't necessarily think it was anything too off, at 329 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: least according to the official memo and report, but he 330 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: did think it was odd, so you know, he asked 331 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: for an explan explanation. He filed this report with the 332 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: RCMP and that was about it. At the end of 333 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: the report, it is noted that he is considered to 334 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: be a reliable type individual that's a quote and bears 335 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: a good reputation in his community. So that's a that's 336 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,239 Speaker 1: something that it was noted by the RCMP of the 337 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: Royal Canadian amount of Police, So which is just them 338 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: saying that he's considered a credible reporter. He's not pranking people, 339 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: he's not a crazy, you know, paint huffing maniac who 340 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: calls every weekend. Yes, someone reliable saw this, whatever it was. 341 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: So so we have these additional witnesses, and there are 342 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: a few more. But in cases like this, where there's 343 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: something up in the sky that's not too far into 344 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: the wee hours of the night, we know that there 345 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: are almost certainly a bunch of witnesses who saw something 346 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: and did not go to the trouble of writing to 347 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: the Air Force station because that's a lot of work. 348 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: So let's go there. Initial ideas. Initially, initially oddly enough, Uh, 349 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: most people are not thinking in terms of um anything 350 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: other of the mundane activities, tragedies, meteorological phenomenon. So they 351 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: first assume, well, maybe this is a boat, got to 352 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: search that. Maybe this is a plane, got to search 353 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: for that. Well, in the plane and or boat makes 354 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: a lot of sense depending on the color of the 355 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: lights that they saw, and if they were flashing or 356 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: at least um on and off in some kind of 357 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: repeating pattern, right right, that could be distressing. And we 358 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: did notice that in a few of the witnesses. True, 359 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: that is true. Then they said, well, you know what 360 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: else could fit this story? A distress flare. This is 361 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 1: a for for people who are convinced that this was 362 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: a craft. This this feels like a stick in the mud. 363 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: Answer but there are some pretty compelling similarities. So first off, 364 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: flare guns are standard on boats, standard ond boats. If 365 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: there's a problem, you use a flare gun after you 366 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: fire a flare. Have you ever fired a flare? They're 367 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: so cool. If after you fire a flare, then you 368 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,479 Speaker 1: know there's a little bit of a delay before it burns. 369 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: It might it varies, but it might start burning almost 370 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: immediately after you shoot it off, or it might hit 371 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: its arc and then start going downward and then ignite. 372 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: But this, this idea with a flare gun inspired some 373 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:29,239 Speaker 1: of the more skeptical thinkers to say things like like 374 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: Brian Dunning said, is it outside the realm of possibility 375 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 1: that someone was playing around with a flare gun at 376 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: eleven at night after killing part of a six pack 377 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: or a whole six pack or a whole six pack? 378 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Because if you've been drinking, 379 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: maybe shooting off a flare gun sounds like a cool 380 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: thing to do. And and yes, and just to put 381 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: it out there the way, one of the big parts 382 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 1: of this story that is so fascinating is how the 383 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: light landed on top of the water for a little 384 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: bit and then sunk into the water right, and one 385 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: of the witnesses, I think in that group of four teenagers, 386 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: one of the witnesses said a single light remained for 387 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: a moment before it submerged or before it was put 388 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: out by the water. So later later on, and I 389 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: mean like months or years later on, people proposed that 390 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: the sighting could fit the description of something like a 391 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: falling satellite, which is completely a possibility, seven completely a 392 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: possibility that satellite may have fallen, especially if pieces of 393 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: it are breaking apart as it's falling, and you have 394 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: multiple lights where fires are burning up of it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, 395 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: as it go, as it enters the atmosphere. And then 396 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 1: it could also be a meteoric fireball, so like us 397 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: falling satellite, meteors frequently break up during their fall, and 398 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 1: that could also look like a line of lights. And 399 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: depending on the angle of the viewer or your perspective 400 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: as you're watching this, it could seem to be moving 401 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: much more slowly than it actually is a kind of 402 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: a low angle. So the big question immediately here is 403 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: did the story change. Here's the thing. After these reports 404 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: were printed primarily in the Chronicle Herald, but also in 405 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: other papers of the time, people began to connect the 406 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: dots and build what could have been interpreted as separate 407 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: sightings into a single cohesive narrative. That is, there's nothing 408 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: wrong with that. That's what people do. We find patterns, 409 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: we connect dots. That's how our species got to where 410 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 1: it is. So the crazy thing that we discovered here 411 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: is that the foam and the lights were not initially connected. 412 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: No one initially reported seeing the objects or lights leaving 413 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: the foam, but people began saying that they saw the 414 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: lights actually leave the foam behind. So for that point 415 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: the phone could had just been something weird that that 416 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: captain saw. So there we have it for now, this 417 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: series of spooky lights. If we're going to use the 418 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: technical term, but how do we get from spooky lights 419 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: to UFOs? Will explore that after a word from our sponsor, 420 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: and against all odds, we have returned. How did this? 421 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: How did this transform from uh spooky lights to genuine 422 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: concerns about extraterrestrials being cited? Well, according to a couple 423 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: of different sources, this story did not actually take off 424 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: in the national international sphere until decades later, until when 425 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: a ufologist named Chris Styles said that he witnessed UFO 426 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: around the same time and place. Uh Several weeks after 427 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 1: the initial sighting, he co wrote a book called Our Object, 428 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: the world's only government documented UFO crash. In this book, 429 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: Styles and his co author Doug Ledger from earlier what 430 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: was that book called the Meteor the Maritime UFO Files. 431 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: So in this book Dark Object, Styles and Ledger claimed 432 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: that what people saw that night in Shag Harbor was 433 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: a spaceship, not just an unidentified flying object, but an 434 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: unidentified submerged object. For the us OS, yeah, you introduced 435 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: me that concept, and they further trace the path of 436 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: this object after it submerges in the ocean. They say 437 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: that after it went underwater, it traveled about seventy clicks 438 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: northeast to a US Navy facility called the h m 439 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: c S. Shelburne. At the time, the h m c S. 440 00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: Shelburne was a support compound for offshore sonar array that 441 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: was meant to detect submarines as part of an anti 442 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 1: submarine system, and this was also part of a larger 443 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: global network. Back to the book, the authors claimed that 444 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: this us O unidentified submerged object met up with another 445 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: ship underwater. They were monitored by the U. S. Navy 446 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,719 Speaker 1: and then they were eventually launched into space for the record, 447 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: as as near as we can find, a Ledger and 448 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: Styles were the first people to propose this idea or 449 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: deposit this um series of events, and we couldn't find 450 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: what their sources were for this claim. But if you 451 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: did have information about this, let's say you got it 452 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: from someone's last words on their deathbed, someone's you know, 453 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: no one's ever heard of this before, but this happened, 454 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: you would be the first person to ever report that. 455 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: The problem is, you know, why there be no um 456 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: Why would there be no reporting of that kind of incident, 457 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: that kind of thing, unless it's just completely redacted and 458 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: held because it's you know, national security kind of situation. 459 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: So there's it's one of those things we always talk about. 460 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: We'll get into it later, but it's it's not provable. Rather, 461 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: it's not provable either way, right right right. We know 462 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: that there's enough evidence to say that people definitely saw something. 463 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: We know little else because even even the mundane explanations 464 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: are not perfect. One the one fits, you know what 465 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: I mean. So in the in the case of the flare, 466 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: if if it were a distress flare, we would have 467 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: probably found an object right from which that was shot. 468 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: If it were a prank by someone who had had 469 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: too much to drink or was just outliving their best 470 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: life on the coast, didn't even have to be a brank, 471 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: just somebody messing around. Then, you know, how do we 472 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: explain the fact that no one came forward. We would 473 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: just say that they were so terrified that they decided 474 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: to take the secret to their grave because they don't 475 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think they would have gotten 476 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: in serious trouble. But maybe they freaked out because they 477 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: saw all the all the law enforcement and rescue responders 478 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: out there. Maybe they were like illegal lobster poachers and 479 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: they didn't want anyone to know, Yeah, doing illegal flair lobstering. Well, yeah, 480 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: they're flaring for lobsters that you know. That's an old standby, 481 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: flaring for lobsters, starting in a T shirt. So so 482 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: we've got these claims from from these authors, and there 483 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: are more there. There are more arguments or theories around, 484 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: but the claims of Styles and Ledger are probably the 485 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: most well known on that side of the fence. Let's 486 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: go to the official word because those of us who 487 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: may um say, well, I'm I'm more of a skeptically 488 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: minded person, and I am convinced this is a flair. Uh, 489 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: we have weird news for you. The government disagrees the 490 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: The Canadian government was not convinced. On October six, a 491 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: couple of days after the incident, a Colonel W. W. 492 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: Turner issued a memo where he said, quote, the Coordination 493 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: Center conducted preliminary investigation and discounted the possibilities that the 494 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: siding was produced by an aircraft, flares, floats, or any 495 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: other known objects. And he got that this is weird. 496 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: This is probably the strangest piece of trivia I learned 497 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: doing this. He got that from a telex, an early 498 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: kind of form of facts sent from a Coastguard ship, 499 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: and it was very short and to the point, you know, 500 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: essentially it was like telegraph language where they said, we 501 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: searched for this with nil results. We searched for this 502 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: other thing with nil results. All that means is, while 503 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: they're not totally ruling the doubt, they're saying they didn't 504 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: find anything that supports any of those mundane explanations. So 505 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: even though they didn't find anything, they still didn't feel 506 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: that the normal explanations fully explained everything. And this is 507 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: this sounds sinister, right, it could be seen as a 508 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: very sinister thing. But we also have to remember it's 509 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: kind of predictable if it were a flare. They're searching 510 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: the ocean for a flare. Well, you mean you can't 511 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: just dive down there easily with a snorkel and grab it. 512 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: It's not like a video game. It's not like a 513 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: mission where you can snag some of the video game. 514 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: And it's so true, you'd have to have such specialized 515 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: equipment to even get to the bottom of the ocean 516 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: there if you could, and then from that point you're 517 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: just gonna look for a flare that could be carried. 518 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: You know. That's if it makes it to the bottom. 519 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: If it is a flare, if it the flair, what 520 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: if it was some you know, extraterrestrial uh species, just probe, 521 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: like small little probe spherically shaped or something that's designed 522 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: to go down to the bottom of the ocean, Oh 523 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: and then disappear, Yeah, like burrow into the sand in 524 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: the Okay, Like, if that's what it was, you'll never 525 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: find it, that's I mean, yeah, maybe that's true with 526 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: the technology they had at the time, right light. But 527 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: now we have ledar. Yeah, and I think some relatives 528 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: of Jacques Cousto actually traveled up a few years back 529 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: to Shag Harbor to film a documentary about the Shag 530 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: Harbor incident. So they'll be bringing with them uh technology 531 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: that did not exist in the late nineteen sixties. They'll 532 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: also be working with one of the original members of 533 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: the dive team that explored the incident when it occurred. 534 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: And this is this is where we're now. This is 535 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: pretty interesting because there are there are people who are 536 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: convinced that this was um an accident that got covered up, 537 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: whether mundane or military or somehow beyond this world in nature. 538 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: And then there are people who are convinced that this 539 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: is an easily explainable thing that people may not necessarily 540 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: one explained because you see today Shag Harbor remains a 541 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: popular tourist destination for local UFO enthusiasts. When the weather 542 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: is right, you can check out the UFO gazebo and 543 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: picnic site and you can look out onto the ocean 544 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: to the spot where the object crashed. That's right, did 545 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 1: you say the name of it yet? That place. Oh 546 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: I just said the UFO gazebo and picnic. Well, there's 547 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: a it's specifically called and you can find it on 548 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: Google Maps, the Shag Harbor Incident Interpretive Center. It's a 549 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 1: yellow building. I think it's still yellow. You can find 550 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: it have There are phone numbers you can call to 551 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: reach them, a facts number, and even an email address. Right. 552 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: You can also when you visit, find articles, documentaries, and 553 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: memorabilia pertaining to the incident. Exactly. Just something you should 554 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,240 Speaker 1: know if you're going to go up there. This place, 555 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: specifically the shag Harbor UFO Center. It only operates from 556 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:26,439 Speaker 1: June until septem so if you're planning to go go soon. 557 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 1: You can also contact the Shag Harbor Incident Society, which 558 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:37,959 Speaker 1: collects and organizes information about this event. Neat bookending note here. 559 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: They are headed by Lori Wickens, one of the teenagers 560 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: who first cited the object. He also participated in the 561 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: Cousteau documentary He By the way, Loria is a So 562 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: there's where we are barring some new revelations or deathbed confessions, 563 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: we want to know what you think. We do also 564 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,240 Speaker 1: want to point out that there is still a little 565 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: bit of sketchy documentation on the side of the Canadian government. 566 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 1: Let's let's let them summarize it themselves. Here's the conclusion 567 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: from the Department of National Defense. The crashing of the 568 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 1: unidentified flied object in the Shaghaba is still discussed today, 569 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,919 Speaker 1: with many articles appearing on the end to that there's 570 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: no trace of the O c MP reports of the 571 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: siding and the files. The Department of National Defense has 572 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: identified this siding as unsolved and the only documentation that 573 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: exists in the files is a d n D memo 574 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,919 Speaker 1: and we have that memo. If you want to hear 575 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 1: it well, then here it is UFO report, lower Wood Harbor, 576 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,320 Speaker 1: Nova Scotia and r CMP corporal and six other witnesses 577 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: observed what they believe to be an unidentified flying object 578 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: off the southwest coast of Nova Scotia, Canada, on the 579 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 1: fourth of October nineteen sixty seven. The object was described 580 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 1: as approximate at least sixty ft in length and was 581 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: flying in an easterly direction when first sighted. During their observation, 582 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: the UFO descended rapidly to the surface and made a 583 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: bright splash as it struck the water. For some time 584 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 1: after the impact, a single white light remained on the surface. 585 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: The RCMP corporal endeavored to reach the floating wide object, 586 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,320 Speaker 1: but unfortunately, before he could reach the location, the object sank. 587 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,320 Speaker 1: A search of the area failed to produce any material 588 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: evidence which would assist in explaining or establishing the identity 589 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,879 Speaker 1: of the object. An underwater search conducted by divers from 590 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,399 Speaker 1: the Department of National Defense also failed to locate any 591 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: tangible evidence which could be used to arrive at an 592 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: explainable conclusion. So literally, what you said, Ben, it's unexplainable 593 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,840 Speaker 1: and that's all we got, right, So we can easily 594 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: see why this is so intriguing and remains so intriguing. 595 00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:00,839 Speaker 1: Despite the fact that it is one of the one 596 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: of the better documented sightings or incidents, there's a surprisingly 597 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: sparse amount of paperwork regarding it, and some of this 598 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 1: came out only when the Canadian government declassified pages and 599 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 1: pages and pages of files on on Unidentified flying Objects reports. 600 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,320 Speaker 1: Now we do have one. We do have one pretty 601 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: i think a pretty cool point that we have to 602 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 1: make every time we do a UFO sighting episode. This 603 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: is a UFO. Any unidentified flying object is by virtue 604 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: of being unidentified and in the air and an object 605 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: a UFO. That does not mean it was from Alpha 606 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: Centauri or Mars or someplace in the darkness between the stars. 607 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: It just means that we have no real idea what 608 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: it is, and even if we as a species have 609 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 1: some good guesses, they are still only that they are 610 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 1: only guesses until some sort of hard proof exist. Um. 611 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: Also on a personal note, I love that the Department 612 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 1: of National Defense is abbreviated to D and D, and 613 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:13,839 Speaker 1: when I first read the original summarization quote, I had 614 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: this image in my head that there was a file 615 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 1: from a D and D game that the RCMP was 616 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 1: playing like they were deep into it, although I'm fairly 617 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 1: certain D and D did not exist in the nineteen sixties. 618 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: Oh and that fact I forgot to mention the telex. 619 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: I never followed up with the weird fact I learned 620 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: about telex. Okay, So, telex or teleprinter, is the original 621 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: form of data transmission and was developed during World War two, 622 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 1: supposed to be reliably secure over long distances. Unlike now 623 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,720 Speaker 1: we have facts, is we have emails? We have facts 624 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 1: is still for some reason, right, uh? But unlike facts 625 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: and email tell X has what's called full legal document 626 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: status in every country in the world. So so if 627 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 1: you're sending something to tell X, it matters. Yeah, with 628 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 1: the facts, it's like, I don't know, I'm gonna need 629 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: a cover sheet. Yeah right, So I thought that was 630 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: weird because maybe that's the reason why it was so popular. 631 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 1: But do you remember sending cover sheets with facts machines? Yeah? Yeah, 632 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,439 Speaker 1: I used to do that in the old office. Yeah, 633 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: we had to. It was very strange. We've been doing 634 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,359 Speaker 1: this a while, Ben, we have we can technically still 635 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 1: facts things we could, we could if we wanted to 636 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 1: have You ever prank facts people? Oh no, I used 637 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: to prank facts people in our old office. What I 638 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 1: don't know, man said something Marshall's way. Not in a 639 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: mean way, not in a mean way. I would. I 640 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: would facts things like, uh like attention for your eyes only, 641 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: the transmission will begin at you know, five fifteen or something. Uh, 642 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: tell no one destroy this paper. It was really in 643 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: facts an optometrists or something that is brilliant. It's see 644 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: you get in trouble for that. Um probably probably. I 645 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: hope this statute of limitations on on prank faccine is 646 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,319 Speaker 1: pretty low. Somebody somewhere in an office is listening to 647 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: this on their break or like while they're waiting a 648 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 1: dental igenis waiting. Yeah, but the I did fax people 649 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,719 Speaker 1: at five fifteen as well to see there you go, 650 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,839 Speaker 1: you know, just enough time to get off the door 651 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 1: with a little fun little white step. One time. It 652 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:39,799 Speaker 1: was just like I tried to fax um, I tried 653 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: to fact a picture of Christopher walking, but you know, 654 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 1: you mainly facts text through through facts meseing, So I 655 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 1: don't know what they got, but but yeah, that was 656 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: my I feel better. I feel like I have confessed 657 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: my sins to you. Oh well, hey, I love it, 658 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: and not just now I want to do it. So 659 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: if you have ever experienced an unidentified flying or submerged 660 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: objects an unidentified facts object, yes, uh you can. You 661 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 1: can reach out to us. We would love to hear 662 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 1: your stories. You can give us a call. We are 663 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 1: one eight three three S T D W y t K. 664 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,319 Speaker 1: Leave a message detailing what you've seen. You can, like 665 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 1: one of our recent listeners first called us and left 666 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 1: a message or two, I believe, and then sent us 667 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: several videos like showing what she experienced with some kind 668 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 1: of object that she she noticed. That was fantastic. 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I can't remember. 688 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,520 Speaker 1: And it was a really complicated. Yeah, you have to 689 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,600 Speaker 1: earn that one. Uh. In the meantime, while you're on 690 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,720 Speaker 1: the internet, if you want to check out our favorite 691 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 1: part of the show your fellow listeners, hop on over 692 00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 1: to Here's where it gets crazy, our Facebook page where 693 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 1: you can see, um, you know, you can see a 694 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 1: ton of different ideas, some some pretty high tier memes. 695 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,840 Speaker 1: But then one thing I think that a lot of 696 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,920 Speaker 1: us enjoy about the page is some in depth conversation 697 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,879 Speaker 1: about things, specifically about stuff we've covered on the show. 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