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Speaker 1: an open goal soccer. I'm talking about game in front

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00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 1: an open goal. He could pass to me for his

427
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,199
Speaker 1: son to score, and he'd go. In school, we'd been

428
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 1: playing father and son, and honestly, you know, I've been

429
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: thinking a lot because I'm so soft skilled. Yeah, there's

430
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,640
Speaker 1: so many moms I know that were like, well never

431
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 1: let like the dad is. I'm thinking about one couple

432
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 1: right now where it's like, I just think it's a

433
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 1: DNA trait, it's a culture trait. But I think competition

434
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 1: in losing an adversity need to be championed. Zero to twelve,

435
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,239
Speaker 1: when they've been completely taken out of the equation. And

436
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 1: I believe the entitlement and the pain is a direct correlation.

437
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,199
Speaker 1: I really do, Yeah, I really do. What I go

438
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 1: to out of that was that it helped me become

439
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 1: my own man because I didn't have my dad passing

440
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,199
Speaker 1: me the boy. I didn't have my dad passing it on,

441
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: and so for me, it gave me no framework to

442
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 1: the extreme. By the time I was eighteen or nineteen,

443
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 1: I was I mean, this is really I think my

444
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 1: dad's about to start consuming my content. So I'm gonna

445
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: be very I'm gonna tread lightly here, but Dad, if

446
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,479
Speaker 1: you're listening, At eighteen or nineteen, I became equally as

447
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: important to the business, and by twenty two I was

448
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: much more important into business, and so like I took

449
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 1: it to the extreme, right, like you know, the responsibility,

450
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 1: the putting it on your own two feet, Like we

451
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: need a lot more of that. No parent is doing

452
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:11,199
Speaker 1: their kid a favor by putting training wheels on their life. Yeah, yeah,

453
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: I love that, Karry, I'm asking this would love And

454
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: you know, for me, this was a big thing. I

455
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: think it was like I think i'd been making content

456
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: for two years before I introduced my community to my wife. Yes,

457
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, Jay, you're married, Like people had no

458
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: idea because I just didn't talk about her because we

459
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 1: just got married, We've been together for a few years

460
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: before that. I was like, I need to be careful about,

461
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: of course, what we're going to say, where this is going,

462
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: how this feels. You've recently been more open about your relationship. Yes,

463
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 1: we don't have to go there. This is being very

464
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: kind and I appreciate it because I respect you. I

465
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: am incredibly private, as you know and the world knows,

466
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: because I'm going through a transition in my life. I

467
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: felt like it got to a place where it was

468
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 1: not sustainable for me to be one hundred percent private,

469
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 1: and so I've been a little more public. It is

470
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: something that I'm desperately not interested in, even the part

471
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 1: we just talked about with my kids, Like, it's not

472
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: somewhere I want to go. I don't want to go.

473
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about my kids. I don't

474
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 1: want to talk about my personal No. No, I want

475
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: you to keep this and I'll tell you why. I

476
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 1: want to remind people you're in control. Yeah, it's incredibly

477
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 1: important and appropriate, and I appreciate especially being very cordial

478
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: for people to ask and things of that nature. But

479
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: I want to remind people they're in control. Yeah. I

480
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: want to provide value and put out things. In my

481
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: professional career, I'm incredibly private and feel that the world

482
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 1: is entitled to what you give it. So when I

483
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 1: watch people get upset when people get into their business,

484
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're giving them your business by the way,

485
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 1: you're leveraging your business. I don't want to leverage nor

486
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 1: give my personal life to the world. I don't think

487
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 1: that's the right way, by the way. I just think

488
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: it's my way. Yeah. So the reason I have a

489
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: little bit to what you're referring to is it became

490
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: not sustainable because it's been a long time and like

491
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: I was in a trance, like it just it was

492
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: the appropriate time and I needed to just get some

493
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: context out there. But I'm it's not where I'm going

494
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, And that's what I was more interested.

495
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: To me. It's not listen us being together. My brain

496
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: goes into maximize the value at the highest levels because

497
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: we have the opportunity too. For as many people are listening.

498
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 1: The takeaway there from my perspective is you're in control. Yeah,

499
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: you have a learning disability and you want to share it.

500
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: Mazzeltof you don't great. It took me back to something

501
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: less serious. It took me fifteen years of public life

502
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: to say I'm not candorous and it's hurt me my

503
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 1: personal life, and it's hurt me in my business life.

504
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: You get to share what you want to share. Yeah,

505
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 1: and I think people should be careful of what they share. Yes,

506
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: you share your abs as like as like you're a

507
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 1: good shape dude. People don't talk about your body for

508
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 1: rest of your life. Yeah, but you did that. You're

509
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: gonna show your kid all the time. They're gonna talk

510
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: about that relationship. They're gonna talk. You're giving the world permission.

511
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: I'd prefer not to give the world permission because that's

512
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: a sacred place for me. Yeah. You know, even look

513
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 1: at my mom. She like the greatest gift I could

514
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: give to the world, is my mom to the world

515
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: the greatest. She's alpha me, She's more experienced. She's a

516
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: different perspective as a mom, as she doesn't want it

517
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: the end, right. I thought my dad and mom would

518
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: be reverse. My dad, I never thought would love the

519
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: limelights so much. But you know, so, I think if

520
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: you're listening right now, please if you're not going on

521
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: social media because you have a skeleton in your closet,

522
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: you have a disease, you have a bad you know situation.

523
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: You're like me and like grew up in a family

524
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: where like personal life is private. That's I think, you know,

525
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: in Russia that was like people would go to jail

526
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: if anybody knew anything about you. So I think it

527
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: ingrained in my parents, which then ingrained in me and

528
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: my sister and brother, Like we're private that way, you know.

529
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: I think you have to understand you're in control. Facebook

530
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: and TikTok and podcasts on YouTube don't make you do anything. Yeah,

531
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: they don't make you do anything. I'm so glad you

532
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: addressed up because I think there's and this is why

533
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: I brought it up. I think there's been a mosque

534
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: of false vulnerability that's been encouraged because of social media.

535
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: So people think that the more vulnerable or more open

536
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: shore that shows authenticity. Yeah, I love you for that.

537
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: You're going to a very smart place, I would argue,

538
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: I see more lack of authenticity in the way that

539
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: people are leveraging their family and personal life because they

540
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: know it does well. Yeah. I don't want to go

541
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,479
Speaker 1: too deep because again, this is what's fun about being

542
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: Canadas in general. But I would never ever say this

543
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: to a human being. There's people who are leveraging their

544
00:27:53,920 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: children for brand deals. That's something thinking about. Yeah, like

545
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: like right now, those kids aren't talking about that to

546
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: you because they don't talk because they're four or because

547
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,719
Speaker 1: they're sixteen not ready to have that combo. But like,

548
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: I think all of us have to think about things

549
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,239
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, And I think for me, as an

550
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: observer of you, I always respect. Then That's why I

551
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,479
Speaker 1: was so intrigued and I still respect. I still respect,

552
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: but it's because I went through that journey in my

553
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: own head. Yeah, even with my own wife that had

554
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: been together with and even what we share and where

555
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: we should you really intention like to me, your family

556
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: is the most sacred. Like that's who's going to be

557
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: around you when you're dying. Yeah, like right, and so

558
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: like you have to think three times before you start

559
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: letting anything in. Right. And by the way, the other

560
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: thing is I don't want to make decisions for other people. Yeah,

561
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: I was built to be unstoppable, you know what I mean, Like,

562
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: like when you suhere, I'm going like for that judgment

563
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: if that person it's hard enough if you choose it,

564
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: imagine someone else choosing it for you. Yes, and so like,

565
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: please everyone be thoughtful on this one. And by the way,

566
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: if you're listening right now and it's really hitting, but

567
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: you already opened up Kimono's box, it's never close. It's

568
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: never related to close it. You can close that. We evolve,

569
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: we change, I will make mistakes, I will change, I

570
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: will evolve. I will do good things. Like we need

571
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: a lot more civility and patience for each other. Yeah,

572
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: if you've been sharing everything and you decide off of

573
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: this podcast, which I'm sure there's five to five hundred

574
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: people that just decided right now, then you just stop.

575
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: And when people ask, where's Johnny your boyfriend? Because like you,

576
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: you can answer it, you don't have to answer it.

577
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: But like you're in control, people have to understand they're

578
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: in control. Accountability. You know, V Friends is Mike is

579
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: the scaled version of me. You know V Friends. You

580
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: know this is actually something I should talk to you

581
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: about offline. You should really debate this the building intellectual

582
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: property to scale one's message is very powerful. So I'd

583
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: love to Yeah. Yeah, Like like I met this woman

584
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: in our late sixties early seventies, somebody introduced me to her.

585
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: I want to I'm looking and potentially hire her to

586
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: be a storyteller. And V Friends short for Jim Henson. Wow,

587
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: we're just getting to know each other. But like the

588
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: brief for Fraggle Rock, the brief for the entire show

589
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: was stop war, and it was like the most profound

590
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: out of all these sixteen months. That's been the most

591
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: profound moment so far of my journey of V Friends.

592
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: Because V Friends is to make people happier, but I

593
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: think happiness comes in a lot of forms, not demonizing competition.

594
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: My favorite character I want to develop as accountable Aunt Jay.

595
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: I think the lack of accountability is leading to so

596
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: much unhappiness. Like life is so much better when you're

597
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: like this was my fault. Yeah, you're in control. Yeah,

598
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: and so like you know, this was like a wrap

599
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: up to control. You're in control. You You you decide

600
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: what you consume, you decide what you believe, You decide

601
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: who you surround yourself up with. You decide what you

602
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: put out. Take on accountability. Yeah, everybody wants to blame

603
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: right now the algorithm they're acting as. The algorithms are

604
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,479
Speaker 1: like hypnosis and I understand endorphin hits and all that,

605
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: but like you can delete the app, you can like

606
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: where's accountability in this? Yeah? Right? Yeah? Absolutely. We have

607
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: an alcohol, we have tobacco, we have drugs, we have weapons,

608
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: and we have all sorts of issues. But most people

609
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: play within moderation. That's on you. Yeah. And it's a

610
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: tough truth, right, It's it's a tough. It's a tough,

611
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: especially when you're unhappy. Yeah. Yeah, that goes back to

612
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: why it's important. It's like the chicken and egg. It's

613
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: like working out, Like I got into better shape the

614
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 1: last eight years. Nothing comes less natural to me. Yeah,

615
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: nothing comes right Like, but like I was like, I

616
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: just would like to live longer. Yes, I would just

617
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: like to live longer. Yeah, and go figure. It's not

618
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: apple cider gummies, it's not steroids, it's not implants I've

619
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: thought about. I'm like, can I get chest in plants?

620
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: I put in a lot of work. I feel like

621
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: I've like Seth's good. Like I feel like Seth but

622
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: like my body type, like you know, and I'm like,

623
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: I probably haven't but but but no, it's like eat, well,

624
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: go in the gym, do the right things, and so

625
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: saying for life, you know, whether it's meditation, whether it's exercise,

626
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: whether it's therapy, whether it's good conversations, whether it's surrounding

627
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: you know, you know, back to us not having a

628
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: certain you know, we've had some meals, we've had some interactions.

629
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: They're always like they're nice. I would like that, and

630
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: I will build on that. I think, you know, I'm

631
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: spending more time thinking about spending more time with more

632
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: while doubling down on core. You know, yeah, you know,

633
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: because I've been I did a really good job in

634
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: the last ten years of doubling down on core. But

635
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: but I think being as busy and I love what

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Speaker 1: I do, you know, I really do want to build

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Speaker 1: out a more of a friend network more. I want

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Speaker 1: to take more people from lightweight acquaintance to solid acquaintance.

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00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: I want to take people from a paintance to friend,

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Speaker 1: from friend to best friend. And so I'm on a

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Speaker 1: journey like everybody else. But I think that um god,

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Speaker 1: I think believe it or not, and this is going

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00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: to sound so crazy for so many The world actually

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00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: has so much potential for everybody listening to be the

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Speaker 1: best time to be alive. Medicine and technology and there's

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Speaker 1: so much, but we're caught right now. It's like a

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Speaker 1: hamster wheel. We're in the momentum of focusing on you know,

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Speaker 1: the bad. Yeah, and there's there's always bad. Yeah. The

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Speaker 1: Holocaust was bad. Genocide is always going on. Genghis Khan

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Speaker 1: was not a fun time to be a human. Yeah, Like,

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Speaker 1: you know, like we we are very bad at history.

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Speaker 1: I was a really bad student, but I did well

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Speaker 1: in history. Like, but that starts with you. What are

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Speaker 1: you going to do about it? Because right now everyone's

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00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: like pointing and feels like it's on someone else. Starts

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Speaker 1: with ourselves. I mean when you said that and you

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Speaker 1: brought up the Holocaust. I recently read Edith Eager's book

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Speaker 1: The Gift. She lived through the Holocaust, and she had

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Speaker 1: that mindset in the Holocaust. So she said the only

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Speaker 1: way she got through it is she realized that she

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Speaker 1: wasn't a prisoner, that the only prisoners were the gods,

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Speaker 1: because they were prisoners of their own conscience. Unbelievable, that

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Speaker 1: was her mindset. She's right, and it's and you know,

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Speaker 1: she's like overnight in now or even older, and it's

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Speaker 1: like it's just phenomenal that her Victor Franco, who wrote

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Speaker 1: Man set for Meaning, these two phenomenal books, if anyone

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Speaker 1: hasn't read them like they had that in that scenario. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's the point I always make to everybody, Like, you know,

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Speaker 1: the only thing that works for me is trying to

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Speaker 1: contextualize moments in time. Yeah, and like you know, our

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Speaker 1: great great great grandparents had it rough by comparison the

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Speaker 1: way we have it, and sure they had some things

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Speaker 1: that were better on simplicity, but we must choose optimism

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Speaker 1: because what's the alternative pessimism? Like are you just gonna decide?

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Speaker 1: Because once you decide, where are you? Once you decide,

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Speaker 1: it's bad, it's actually bad. And so like, one of

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Speaker 1: the things that makes me very passionate to communicate is

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Speaker 1: practical optimism or the fact that I believe negativity is

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00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: much better at marketing than positivity. Oh, for sure, I

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Speaker 1: feel a huge sense of responsibility what has become out

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Speaker 1: of all the things you've pursued, Because I'm guessing at

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Speaker 1: different stages in your life, and anyone who hasn't heard

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Speaker 1: of interviewed to Gary twice before, so you can go

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Speaker 1: back and listen to those You've pursued different things at

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Speaker 1: different times, and every time I meet you, it's a

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Speaker 1: really What I love about it is that you just

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Speaker 1: there's so much growth and acceptance and embracing of this

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Speaker 1: new you. Every time we talk, I feel like I'm

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Speaker 1: talking to an even more self aware of human, which

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Speaker 1: is a really fun feeling when you're checking in with

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Speaker 1: someone in this way. And so I go, what have

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Speaker 1: you found currently to be the most worthy pursuit? What

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Speaker 1: is it that you're pursuing that you've found worthy of.

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Speaker 1: It's always been the same thing for me. It's almost

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Speaker 1: as if I'm living two separate lives. The most worthy

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Speaker 1: pursuit is I'm wildly gifted and helping other people, and

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Speaker 1: I'm incredibly comfortable of also being okay with feeding myself

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Speaker 1: around my own interests. The most worthwhile pursuit of my friend,

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Speaker 1: I think this is going to land with you is

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Speaker 1: the continuous balanced beam that I walk on that is

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Speaker 1: called equal parts selfish and equal parts selfless and refining

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Speaker 1: that skill set. And I think in the three times.

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Speaker 1: If I may off of your analogy, I think the

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Speaker 1: beam is getting thinner, and I'm still walking it. You know,

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Speaker 1: maybe the first time we met it was like an

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Speaker 1: Olympic beam or a high school beam. Maybe the second

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Speaker 1: time was you know. My hope is that as I

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Speaker 1: continue to go, I'll be on a tight rope across

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Speaker 1: Manhattan and walk it easily, because me playing my game

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00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: of entrepreneurship gives me so much energy that I'm able

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Speaker 1: to deploy it in a positive manner at scale, and

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Speaker 1: I find it fascinating, and so that is what I

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Speaker 1: continue to go After that, Gary, forty minutes with you

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Speaker 1: feels like an hour and two hours with someone else.

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Speaker 1: Thank you man, Thank you best, Thank you. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you so much