1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stephone 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: never told you a prediction of iHeart Radio. 3 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and welcome to another Monday Mini. And for today's 4 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: Monday Mini, we're gonna play What's Samantha's Diagnosis with y'all. 5 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: I'm having a moment right now because I just told 6 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 2: Annie I'm smelling something very floral. I'm trying to figure 7 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 2: out why because I'm in my little cubby and honestly, 8 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: this foreign smells almost like a perfume. So I'm like 9 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 2: freaking out. I'm like, am I having a stroke. I'm concerned. 10 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: I don't think so. And if you see me doing things, 11 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: please let me know. This might be an odd episode anyway. 12 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: But I mean, I say all this kiddingly, but I 13 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: mean I'm not gonna lie when I say I might 14 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: go look on TikTok. I might go look on TikTok. Honestly, 15 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: as much as I love TikTok, there's so many things 16 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 2: that TikTok. I've told me that I'm starting to get 17 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 2: really concerned about a lot of things. And as in fact, 18 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: I've also learned about conditions that I didn't know existed, 19 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 2: and feeling like, maybe that's part of my problem because 20 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: I really feel like there's something off all the time, 21 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: and when I say something off, I see like something's 22 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: imbalanced in my body. And it could be that I'm 23 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 2: going through perimenopause, which we're going to talk about in 24 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 2: a later date, because I'm like, what is that and 25 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: have I entered that? And what does that look like? 26 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: As well as maybe it's something that I've always been 27 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 2: going through that didn't I did not realize was normal. 28 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 2: When I talk to people, I'm like, oh, that's not normal. 29 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,919 Speaker 2: I found out that people Asian people have a gene 30 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 2: that makes their ear wax different from other people. I 31 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 2: was like what, And then I started asking around like 32 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: is this the type of earwax you have? And they're 33 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 2: like yes, And I was like what. 34 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: I love that you asked around the. 35 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: Vale like white people tell me what this is? 36 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: You ask me. I know you asked multiple I. 37 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: Ask multiple people, but like this is all because of TikTok. 38 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 2: These are things that I'm like, huh, I did not 39 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: know this. Again, like I said, because I'm watching these 40 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 2: things and these things are popping up on my for 41 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: you page. IM sorry to become a little concerned with 42 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 2: all the similarities I've seemed to be having with all 43 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: of these mental and medical health things that I'm like, 44 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: what what's going on? And with that, I began to 45 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: wonder if others were feeling and noticing this too. 46 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: Uh. 47 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: And yes, there are article after article with similar questions, 48 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 2: and even one's concerned on how it's affecting the youth today. 49 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: But I will say we're going to go back and 50 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: forth a bit on this for a minute, because it 51 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: also it's one of those moments of like, we need 52 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: things like this to be taken seriously. There are two 53 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 2: different perspectives obviously with this one. It's a good thing 54 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: because it brings awareness to mental health and physical health 55 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 2: for those who've been gas lit by the medical filled u. 56 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 2: You can see why women you can see our episodes 57 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 2: about why women are not believed by the medical professionals, 58 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: and even our episode on women with autism and ADHD 59 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: and how misdiagnosed that is for women specifically, and for 60 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 2: those in the black community specifically, like for those in 61 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 2: the marginalized community, how often this is misdiagnosed or not 62 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: diagnosed at all, or just disregarded altogether. And the information 63 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: on how to be taken seriously by their doctors has 64 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 2: been validating and even life saving, to the point that yes, 65 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 2: I know doctors are really really, really really really upset 66 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 2: with WebMD and getting more so with TikTok because people 67 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 2: are like, I saw this on TikTok, I googled this 68 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: on WebMD, and yes, I think that TikTok has become 69 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: the new web MD, which many have talked about recently. 70 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: I saw a Reddit post about it, like it's just 71 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: a new WebMD and people complaining about it. I'm like, 72 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: it's kind of true, but we talked about before. Any How, 73 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: TikTok has become one of the best or the bigger 74 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: search engines for people today, Like instead of going to Google, 75 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 2: They're going to TikTok. And I wonder if that's partially 76 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: because not only did Google get bought out essentially by 77 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 2: people who wanted their content to be at the top, 78 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 2: or who can do this and who has the more money, companies, 79 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: big corporate companies coming in and for a while TikTok 80 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 2: was not like that. It has drastically changed. Please see 81 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 2: previous episodes with Bridget about consumer stuff as well as 82 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 2: influencer stuff and who's getting bought out. We could talk 83 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 2: about this genocide that is currently occurring and influencers who 84 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 2: are being bought out by pro specific sides. I guess 85 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: you can say, you know, like they've been called out. 86 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 2: They've talked about big lobbyists going after politicians to try 87 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 2: to run against other politicians that they did not like 88 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: their agenda. We've known that's happened with NRA, but they're 89 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 2: actually using TikTok and social media influences like that and 90 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: buying people out like that. So we know that TikTok 91 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: has changed, unfortunately from what it was originally, when you 92 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: could get more probably genuine I guess posts, whether it's 93 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 2: people talking about their own experiences with whatever diagnosis they 94 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 2: may have or whatever physical element they may have, and 95 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 2: being able to understand what it is and for a 96 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,239 Speaker 2: lot of people figuring out, oh, that's what's been happening 97 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 2: with me. POTS POTS postals tachycardia syndrome, and I hope 98 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 2: I said that right. Which is POTS, which has like 99 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 2: dizziness or lightheadedness, fainting or almost fainting, noticeable heartbeats or 100 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 2: heart palpitations, chest pains, shortness of breath, the chicken and sweating. 101 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 2: Those are some of the symptoms. I'm wondering if I 102 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 2: need to question my doctor about that, because I definitely 103 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 2: have fainted, not a lot, because I've seen people with 104 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 2: severe pots who faint constantly, like they have to have 105 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: a service dog because this dog can feel it. But 106 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: a lot of those are like, yeah, I do that, 107 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 2: that's not normal. Not everybody does that. I thought we 108 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: all did that, So there's like different questions. So things 109 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 2: like that can be really, really and life saving. In 110 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,559 Speaker 2: a twenty twenty two Time article titled for some Women 111 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 2: with ADHD, TikTok is the first place they felt heard. 112 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 2: So they talk about how TikTok has been amazing for them, 113 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: for the women who have figured this out, And here's 114 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 2: a quote from a woman who discovered her diagnosis after 115 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: researching and finding videos on TikTok. For many women who 116 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 2: see these videos in their feed, it's the first time 117 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: they've learned about some of the symptoms of ADHD beyond 118 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: the most widely known hyperactive and trouble focusing quote. As 119 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: an overachieving child who got good grades, ADHD was never 120 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: on my radar. Lace told Time in an email, I 121 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 2: was shocked to discover through TikTok that my experiences were 122 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: consistent with ADHD. And she's not the only one. We 123 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 2: talked about this before, so many like her finally had 124 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 2: terms and definitions for things that she was doing. They 125 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 2: were on a clinical level, such as masking or even 126 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 2: being misdiagnosed, concluding that women were quiet due to being 127 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: shy or even less intelligent us seeing that they were 128 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: being inattentive due to ADHD and was incorrectly diagnosed or 129 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 2: was told that's not a diagnosis of ADHD, which again 130 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: we've talked about it previously. We've had guess Kate, who 131 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: was amazing talking about her eye diagnosis of ADHD and 132 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 2: what that looks like for women and why it's so 133 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: hard even today. But the message is spreading, and social 134 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 2: media has been a big part of that. TikTok specifically 135 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: has been a huge part of that. There's also the 136 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 2: awareness that helps destigmatize a mental health diagnosis. More people 137 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 2: are able to talk about their experiences and talk about 138 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 2: what they did and even how they were finally able 139 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: to get people to listen to them, which helped others 140 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: along the way. There were several articles about how it's 141 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 2: destigmatizing mental health for men and helping men get help 142 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: or realizing that they need help and what that help 143 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 2: can do for them. So those are some amazing things 144 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 2: that have occurred on TikTok specifically. But in an article 145 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: written about teenagers and TikTok from CNN, they talk about 146 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 2: the good and the bad, and some parents phyllis it 147 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: has helped them with their teens. And here's a quote 148 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: from that. Julie Fulter from Raleigh, North Carolina, said she 149 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 2: began following ADHD influencers who were able to better explain behaviors, impulsivities, 150 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 2: and how the condition is related to executive functioning so 151 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: she can help her daughter navigate her diagnosis. Meanwhile, another 152 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 2: person from upstate New York, phils mixed about her daughter 153 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: using social media for reasons related to her autism diagnosis. 154 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 2: She's doing a lot of self discovery right now in 155 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: so many areas, and social media is a big part 156 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: of that, she said. I know social media gets a 157 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: bad rap, but in her case, it's hard to tell. 158 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: Sometimes if the pros outweigh the cons and it goes on. 159 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: Many adults appear to credit social media with helping them 160 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: identify lifelong mental health struggles. One person, a thirty five 161 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: year old professional photographer, says she sought guidance from a 162 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: professional after seeing videos pop up on her TikTok for 163 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 2: you page about adhd Okay, this for you page really 164 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: has me thinking. And I've made this statement and I'm 165 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 2: not trying to be ablest or any of that. I'm 166 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 2: not making enlightenment in them, but I'm like, maybe I 167 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: am on the spectrum because at this point in time, 168 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 2: I'm having a rough time with these types of cognitive functioning, 169 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: social functioning, and I'm like, what is this? But let's 170 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 2: be very honest. When it comes down to coming out 171 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 2: of the pandemic, getting older, getting tired, things change, and 172 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: not that I couldn't be on the spectrum. I could 173 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: get that diagnosis. But the more you hear things, the 174 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: more you start kind of convincing yourself, yes that's me, 175 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 2: which for some is very helpful. For others, it could 176 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: go down like a dangerous route. Again, like I'm saying, 177 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 2: like I'm smelling things, what is happening? That's why it 178 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 2: seemed to be okay, Annie, would you agree? 179 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: I would, But you know, I'm keeping an eye out 180 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: I'm keeping this. 181 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 2: Please keep an eye out. But again that same article 182 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 2: about teenagers, they talk about how there's the ups and downs, 183 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 2: but it seems with even more risk with the self diagnosing. 184 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 2: So from that article, it says a growing number of 185 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 2: teens are turning to social media such as Instagram and 186 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: TikTok for guidance, resources, and support for their mental health 187 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: to find conditions that they think match their own, a 188 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 2: trend that has alarmed parents, therapists, school counselors. According to 189 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 2: interviews with CNN, some teens start to follow creators who 190 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 2: discuss their own mental health conditions, symptoms, and treatments. Others 191 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: have come across posts with symptom checklists to help decide 192 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 2: if they meet the criteria for a diagnosis, and it continues. However, 193 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 2: many parents and experts expressed concerns over how self diagnosing 194 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: and mislabeling could exacerbate teens behaviors, make them feel isolated, 195 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 2: and be counterproductive in giving them the help they need. 196 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: In a worst case scenario, teens could set themselves on 197 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: a path to receiving medication for condition they do not have, 198 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 2: and once teens search for this mental health content, the 199 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 2: algorithms may keep surfacing similar videos and posts. Some parents 200 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 2: and therapists have found that once teens decide they have 201 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 2: a condition, it can be hard to convince them otherwise. 202 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 2: Again and in the article there's some theories as to 203 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 2: why this is growing bigger for teens. It says some 204 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 2: experts believe teens may be overidentifying with a specific label 205 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: or diagnosis, even if it is not a fully accurate 206 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 2: representation of their struggles, because a diagnosis can be a 207 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: shield or justification of behavior in social situations. Quote. With 208 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 2: the amounting pressure that young people face to be socially competitive, 209 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: those teens with more significant in secure cities may feel 210 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: that they will never measure up, said a psychologist in 211 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 2: New York. She goes on a team may rely on 212 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 2: diagnosis to lower other expectations of their abilities. Of course, 213 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 2: this might be a boomer take, and I say this 214 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 2: nicely to all the boomers, but that idea of like 215 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 2: I in my days, we never had these things, and 216 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 2: so dismissing people with those diagnosts because as a person, 217 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 2: just just a random person being out here in the world, 218 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 2: as well as working in the social work world and 219 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: with mental health, everyone has something like I think it 220 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 2: would be incorrect to say that there is normalcy like 221 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 2: some There is a diagnosis for everyone, whether it is 222 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: by social pressure or whether it's by mental health, biology, environment, 223 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 2: any of those things do come on. We know PTSD 224 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 2: is a big thing, and especially a lot of us 225 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 2: feeling that pressure just from the pandemic from recession. All 226 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: of these things have a name. There's a level of 227 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 2: anxiety that everybody is going through. There's a level of 228 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 2: depression that most people have gone through, especially during the holidays, 229 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 2: like it's there. And for teenagers who also watched social 230 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 2: media on a constant or on social media on a constant, 231 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: like that level is pretty high. So I think that's 232 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 2: it would be disrespectful to dismiss teens in general saying 233 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 2: you've been looking at too or anybody you've been looking 234 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 2: at too much social media, because that's part of the 235 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: problem to begin with. You know, when we go up 236 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 2: one step back, three steps type of conversations, mental health 237 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 2: could be a part of that as well. And that 238 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 2: too much diagnosis. We had that with the when medications 239 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 2: were finally coming out and people started talking about needing medication, 240 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 2: that being too medicated, And I think that's a true story. 241 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 2: I've seen that where kids being diagnosed with the simplest things, 242 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 2: or being forced to be diagnosed with the simplest things 243 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 2: so they could sedate kids, which I thought was horrible. 244 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 2: Like I saw kids on ADHD medication because they wouldn't 245 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 2: go to sleep. I was like, what is happening? Why 246 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 2: are we putting them on a prescribed medication for that? 247 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 2: So there's definitely this level that I've seen. But when 248 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: it comes to social media, there is this back and forth. 249 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: It's like how much is too much? Is this too 250 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 2: much information given to kids who are smart enough to 251 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 2: know the system and work the system, And I say, 252 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,119 Speaker 2: what system? I'm one of those people I can manipulate 253 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 2: into a diagnosis. I've done it as someone who's like, 254 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: but I also did it because I knew that there 255 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 2: was something wrong and people were not listening to me, 256 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 2: and I knew the links that you had to go 257 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 2: to to get those medications. So there's this level of like, 258 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 2: and it's not everybody's like what it is this balance 259 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 2: because of the system that's been created. You have social 260 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 2: media coming in here to let me help you, and 261 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 2: that has fed into the TikTok algorithm. Which is making 262 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: TikTok money, lots and lots of money. That's also what 263 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 2: a reminder is also those who are the disingenuous, bad 264 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 2: players who have found that kind of It's been around 265 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: with snake oil salesmen. They have found a new platform 266 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 2: and it has worked. So if you can build trust 267 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 2: and saying I know this is what you're going through 268 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 2: because I'm going through this and this has helped me, 269 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 2: they can sell stuff. Don't get me wrong, I think 270 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 2: TikTok has done a great job, especially the followers and 271 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 2: the individuals and people in there where they call that 272 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 2: out when they find it out. It's beautiful to see. 273 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 2: I don't want anybody to go down in flames. But 274 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: at the same time, if you're feeding misinformation to people 275 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 2: to make a profit and could be hurting those individuals, yeah, 276 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 2: I hope you go down in flames, you know. So 277 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 2: all of these things are happening, But this type of 278 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: rise of teenagers diagnoses in themselves has come as in 279 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 2: fact they all there was also a trend I didn't 280 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 2: know about this because I guess I'm not as cool 281 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: as I thought impossible called undiagnosed, where they the kids 282 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 2: who have been diagnosed, would make jokes about how they 283 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 2: were cured now, and they even use those who had 284 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 2: eating disorders, like a one girl joked, I have eight 285 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 2: a mil I'm cured type of conversation. And it is 286 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 2: not because they're being disrespectful. They're trying to make a joke, 287 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 2: as we have often done for ourselves about their own condition, 288 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: trying to joke through it essentially, But it kind of 289 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 2: has fed into this like misinformation to other teens where 290 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 2: it can lead to a bad, harmful pattern where they 291 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 2: backtrack and say I can solve this myself. Now that's 292 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 2: not always the case. Again, a lot of them are 293 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 2: doing this in like a tongue in cheek way, but 294 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 2: it's coming off as m this actually may be a 295 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 2: bad trend for other teens. Again, there's also those who 296 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 2: actually think TikTok has trivialized they're actual diagnosis. So there 297 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 2: was a writer who has been diagnosed with autism who 298 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: talks about that specifically of like, okay, everybody's joking now 299 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,959 Speaker 2: that because they don't like loud sounds, that's autism, you know, 300 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 2: And that's the spectrum, and not that it can't be 301 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 2: once again, but to put it lightly in making a 302 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: joke very ablest, but trying to accept it at the 303 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 2: same time, because you see on TikTok is kind of 304 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 2: that balance of like, okay, but how much have we 305 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: put into this content that is now trivializing those who 306 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 2: have struggled all of their lives with that diagnosed, so 307 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 2: with actually being diagnosed and may have this like be 308 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 2: on the further spectrum of autism. We're not going to 309 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 2: talk about CIA in any way, but if you kind 310 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 2: of look at what she did with that and how 311 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 2: she did both of those things, not only did she 312 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 2: almost made it like graphically over the top where it 313 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 2: was all the caricatures of people who have autism or 314 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 2: who are on the spectrum, to trivializing it, to make 315 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 2: it excuses for others. It's kind of just like, but 316 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 2: is this partly because social media is also led into 317 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 2: that as well? And yes, I have been on autism, 318 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 2: uh the spectrum TikTok and they you know, and adhd 319 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 2: TikTok and the overlapping is I mean like over the top. 320 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 2: And then this whole conversation about being neurodivergent versus uh neurotypical, 321 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 2: which again came to my conversation of like, but there's 322 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 2: no such thing as really anybody being neurotypical if we 323 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 2: really look down into what society has kind of created 324 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 2: in itself, whether it's the anxiety or the push or 325 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 2: the depression like and PTSD in itself and the trauma 326 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: in itself, Like, it's kind of like, does that actually exist? 327 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 2: So I don't know, So that term, the over blanketing term, 328 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 2: is an interesting term to me. Again, I know I'm 329 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 2: not I'm not saying I'm a professional in any realist way, 330 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 2: but just seeing what it is if we come to 331 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:56,479 Speaker 2: realization that the norm is actually being neurodivergent it seems, 332 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 2: but the spectrum does change, and then the respect that 333 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 2: we get if those terms are really important. And Yeah, 334 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 2: a lot of the articles that I've seen that we've 335 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 2: talked about talk about that terminology is really really really important, 336 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 2: mainly because it does differentiate from a true diagnosis versus 337 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 2: a false diagnosis. I guess one of the things they 338 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 2: talk about is high functioning. That is not a clinical term, 339 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 2: which is also why that's kind of been banned. And 340 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: we talk about the spectrum in itself. Yeah, again, I'm 341 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 2: a big reminder people make money off this content. They 342 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 2: can make tons of money just by having a certain 343 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 2: amount of views and accruing a lot of followers. Again, 344 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 2: there's some amazing content creators who do good things. There's 345 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 2: a lot of bad players as well. So what are 346 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 2: some things that we can do to lessen this issue? 347 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 2: I guess I could just get off TikTok. I don't know. 348 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 2: I really like the dog videos and right now following 349 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: Neil the Seal Elephant seal down in Australia, have you 350 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 2: seen anything about Neil the Seal, you know. 351 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: And not on TikTok, but I yes, yeah. Isn't it 352 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: interesting when you're like, how do you find things? Do 353 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: you find things? It's been fantastic. That's just one creator. 354 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: I think it goes by J. C. J. 355 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,479 Speaker 2: A y Cee, and I think he works with like 356 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 2: the government to try to keep Neil safe. But he's 357 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: just like Neil. Those people need to go to work, 358 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 2: get off their lawn. Like it's just fantastic content. Fantastic content, okay, 359 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 2: but some other ways to look at it outside of 360 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 2: just getting off of TikTok. And this came from the 361 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 2: University of Colorado's medical school. They said, look at credentials, 362 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: who is giving advice or posting what's their background? And 363 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 2: I know people can put whatever they want because there's 364 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 2: been several call outs for people who said their doctors 365 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 2: are in the medical field that it turns out they're not. 366 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 2: But actually trying to see if you can research deep 367 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 2: enough like you, Usually those who are in the profession 368 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 2: will show you credentials because they realize how important that is. 369 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 2: So look for that, look at the data being presented. 370 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 2: Are they throwing a lot of words together again, like 371 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 2: high functioning and all these things like you've got to 372 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 2: talk about where this is coming from, look for resources, 373 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 2: ask them for resources. And then following that up realizing 374 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 2: there's no such thing as quick fixes. Saw content about 375 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 2: someone saying this is the over the counter adderall drug 376 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 2: y'all be careful, just just be careful. And they even 377 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 2: talked about how to fix or recalculate you for you page. 378 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 2: So if you're following some content creators that are specialized 379 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 2: to that, if you unfollow them sometimes that'll help. For me. 380 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: I don't follow those content creators, but I still get it. 381 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 2: There is a way, and I think you just need 382 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 2: a Google or actually you can look it up in 383 00:21:55,040 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 2: TikTok to completely wipe off your for you algorithm and 384 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 2: it starts over again. So there is a way to 385 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 2: do that. But I've discovered as so as my partner, 386 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 2: just as talking about something, that stuff will pop up. Yeah, 387 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 2: Like it's not that we will look at it. We 388 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 2: don't look it up anything, it's just that we're talking 389 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 2: about it. So that tells you we know we're being watched. 390 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 2: I'm not even that I'm not even that cool, stop 391 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 2: watching me. But there's ways to do that. You can 392 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 2: also go through and report and say you're not interested, 393 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 2: because I've done that oftentimes, so you can get off 394 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 2: of those types of contents. But yeah, there's this whole 395 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 2: back and forth about how well this is going for 396 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 2: our society. I'm calling this doctor TikTok because again, like WebMD, 397 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 2: I start falling in that rhythm of like, maybe this 398 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 2: is what's wrong with me, But at the same time 399 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 2: it may not be inaccurate, and it does validate how 400 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 2: I feel. I still think I'm not a goaleptic. Thanks TikTok. 401 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: Also a listeners some listeners have written into. 402 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like all the listeners like these are 403 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 2: the diagnoses we'd give you. You may want to go 404 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: see a doctor, and I'm like, you're right, you're right, 405 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 2: you're right. And that's just the reminder that if these 406 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 2: things are in question, it's okay to ask. Don't act 407 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 2: on it, don't try to self medicate, don't do all 408 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 2: these things. Don't make it your excuse necessarily. But trying 409 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 2: to get a diagnosis going to a doctor saying these 410 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: are the following things, maybe not say I got this 411 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 2: off a TikTok. I have a feeling that I roll 412 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: will be. They'll probably know anyway, they'll probably know anyway, 413 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 2: but in general, just like, these are the things I'm 414 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: concerned with. These are the things I didn't know was normal. 415 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 2: Can you help me it was not normal? Rather in 416 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 2: your physical health, like being dissy and passing out. 417 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's it. I again, like you kept 418 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: saying throughout this, I feel like that's the balance of it. 419 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:53,719 Speaker 1: Because pre TikTok, I've had multiple people in my life 420 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: come up to me and say, like the episode you 421 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: did about women and autism change my life because we 422 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: don't talk about it because it has been historically ignored 423 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: or misdiagnosed, and so it's both. It's like, it is 424 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: good that we're talking about it more and we're seeing 425 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: more things, and people are like, oh, okay, maybe it's that. 426 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 1: Maybe it's that I know when somebody I think it 427 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: was you told me like having the at the back 428 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: of my neck, I have a very strange thing about 429 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: that with shirts and hair, and it is like, oh okay, 430 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: so that's not like completely normal thing. But it is 431 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: also yes, you I mean I could I always joke 432 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: web md is like a horoscope. I could read it 433 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: and be like, I probably have this and it could 434 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: be nothing close to what I have. Like, so it 435 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,719 Speaker 1: is like a it's good, it's bringing awareness, but it 436 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: is important to know where it's coming from and to 437 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: do further research, uh before your you self medicate or 438 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: self diagnosed. So yeah, it's just both. 439 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,959 Speaker 2: You know, well when you said that the horoscoping thing, 440 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 2: actually there was one article that talked about the horoscope effect. Really, yes, 441 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 2: what is called people read symptoms online or hear someone 442 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 2: discuss their experience and feel connected to it so much 443 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 2: so that they both now believe they may have the 444 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 2: same diagnosis. The bowl proclamations as of like predicting it 445 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 2: or something along the lines. But yeah, apparently that is 446 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 2: a whole theory within psychologists when it comes to predicting 447 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 2: or the disorder they used TikTok. 448 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: I just feel like a lot of times we all 449 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: do it. But there are some symptoms that are just 450 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: common amongst a lot of things, right, And for me, 451 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: one of them is my heart beats really fast. Not 452 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: all the time, but sometimes it's fast. Yeah, and that 453 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: is just a symptom amongst all so many things. And 454 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: it could just be and I fingers cross suspected is 455 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: I'm anxious? But if I go on to WebMD, it's 456 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: like Jesus this you. 457 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 2: Have a block and you're not which would do good. Yeah, 458 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 2: but we can't negate that because women more women died 459 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 2: than men every year of a heart attack or heart 460 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 2: related uh fatalities. So part of this is like being 461 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 2: told we're being paranoid, but at the same time it's 462 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 2: actually true because no one listens and what which part 463 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 2: do we listen to? And it should be better safe 464 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 2: than sorry, But we as women have been so shamed 465 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 2: yeah to be healthy, that we're we are afraid to 466 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 2: go to doctors half the time. 467 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,959 Speaker 1: Yes, and it costs money and it takes time, so 468 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: it's like really unfortunate. 469 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 2: Some people's healthcare is really bad. 470 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: Yes, yes it is. But yeah, so I think it's 471 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: like more complicated than saying like one side is bad. 472 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just it's it's more nuanced than that, right, Yes, Well, 473 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: thank you for bringing this to Samantha. Believe we're going 474 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: to talk about episode coming up about why you were 475 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: thinking about this, but our our calendars and flux, so 476 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: we'll see. 477 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 2: I think this is going to be ahead of this, 478 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 2: but yes, we'll talk about why. 479 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: Why you were thinking about this? Yes, all right. Well, 480 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: in the meantime, you can contact us listeners if you 481 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: have any thoughts about this. Our email is Stephania mom 482 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. You can find us on 483 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: Twitter at mom Stuff podcast, or our on Instagram and 484 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 1: TikTok at stuff. 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