WEBVTT - KJ Live - Ryan Hollins 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:10.320 This is kJ Live with Chris john Silis and Chris 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:13.680 is having conversations with influencers in the sports world and 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:20.720 entertainment in the strain. Now here's Chris Johnson. You are 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:24.439 now tuned in to kJ Live. Today's guests on the 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:27.160 show was a former us A Brewing baller that spent 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:30.680 ten seasons playing in the n b A. He now 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:34.120 works for the Houston Rockets as the color analysts. Let's 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:38.960 welcome in Ryan Hollins to the building to kJ Live. 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:42.720 What's good Ryan? What's some big bro? How are you going? Man? Man? 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:45.000 I'm great, man. It's a little chilly out here in 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:48.479 l A. Man. You out there and where denver? What's cracking? Yeah? 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:52.199 I mean never right now, we got got k on it. 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:54.480 They're not back the backs, they're like game and games 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:57.560 whatever they're called. So uh okay, yeah, man, we were 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:00.560 seeing that young boy up closing personal So you got 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:03.800 you guys, got yokers. Now the Rockets this year, you 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:06.959 guys are sitting at around five and fifteen. Um. The 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:10.399 young guys have been playing a lot, getting a lot 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:12.600 of experience. Just talk a little bit about how this 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:15.960 season in this first sort of third or fourth of 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:21.080 the season has gone for the Houston team, I think 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:23.520 for the young guys has been amazing because they've got 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:26.120 a lot of experience. When you can look at the record, 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:28.240 but you also understand ten of the pirst third team, 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:32.200 we're on the road. You've seen like two non playoff 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:36.320 teams already, so like they've been getting hazed and I 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.800 think they've done just well. And I think that the 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:43.600 big thing is development. And um, you've seen Jalen get better. 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.840 We've seen Jabari who the last three games was averaging 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:50.000 around nineteen points per you know, kind of really coming 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:53.360 to his own. So that's a big point of the season. 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:55.840 You know, it's not that the Rockets aren't trying to 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.720 win games, it's like developments important. And when you got 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:01.760 a eighteen nineteen year old out there on the floor, 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:05.240 they're gonna have to learn NBA basketball. You know, it's 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:07.760 rare that you find those, what all due respect, the 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:11.200 nineteen year old, the Magic Johnson's, the Lucas Lebron's, that's 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:13.959 why they are who they are and takes other other guys, 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:16.840 you know, a couple more years to become you know 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:21.000 that guy. Yeah, no, it does. And it's interesting how 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:23.760 now you know you mentioned Luca Lebron, but you know 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:27.360 guys that saw success so early, so prolific in the 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:30.840 NBA that we kind of measure rookies by that standard 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.440 now and it is sort of unfair. One of the 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:37.440 young guys on that team, Chugoon, that's been playing a 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.960 lot of good basketball. I read somewhere Yoki said the 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:42.880 Rockets should run the offense through him more. What's been 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:47.040 the key to his development this season for the Rockets. 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.359 He had so much success last year, but he came 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:54.040 up the bench. Now he's a starter. Now the teams 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.640 are game planning for him a little different. Um so 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:00.799 I Pronchangoon. He's he's a four two year old man 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:04.800 in a in a twenty year old body like he 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:10.639 has all the shoulder face, all the he's nice, he's 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:16.800 he's you at six ten six eleven bro. No, his 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:22.160 footwork is yeah, I know, yes, that experienced in the 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:24.959 Turkish League, my man like Hollans. What do you think 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:27.400 like because he came in experience, he was kind of 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.600 tried through the fire over there. I played in that 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.520 league for a quick cup of coffee. Yeah, it's one 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:37.360 of the most competitive, physical, tough leagues that I had 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.400 played in while while I was overseas. You think that 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.440 had something to do with it? Or do you Is 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.080 there something going on, you know with with the development 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.360 staff and the work that they're putting in. Just give 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.480 us some insight on how he's gotten so much better. 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.480 It's both big bro, you know, to to be honest, 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:55.440 um when when you look at him, he's gotten so 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:57.800 much better in such a small amount of time. But 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:01.000 you have to understand that I saw him go pound 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:03.240 for pound Anthony Davis, pound for pound a lot of 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:07.040 these guys last year, DeAndre Aden, and like he wasn't intimidated. 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:10.040 He just had to catch up to Oh that's how 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:12.080 high they jump, that's how fast they run. But I've 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.600 seen him just absolutely work guys on the block. So 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.760 it's it's he's figuring out how to be that guy 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.240 coming in this year with the different expectations of your 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:24.080 The starter versus off the bench was you know a 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:26.680 different story for him. Then you know, these young guys 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.680 are working, they they're competing for minutes, they're playing hard. 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.200 So you know for Alp, he's like, oh, I gotta 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.320 I gotta get on their level. I gotta I gotta 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:36.960 figure this out. So that's the biggest thing I've seen 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:40.280 from him is adjusting and growing to what he has 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:41.919 to see, hear, what he's gonna be seeing on a 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:46.760 night tonight. Basis, does Jalen Green have the potential to 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:52.160 be sort of that superstar level type talent in the NBA? 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:57.159 He does, bro And the reason I say, you know, well, 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:00.560 it's a couple of reasons. One, he's got it like athlete, 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:03.520 like he's one of those one percenters dude, like like 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:06.480 you know how, there's some guys like, oh, he could 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:09.440 win a duck contest. But then there's some guys like 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:13.360 the live went too high and he when and caught 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:15.360 it back here and then come down and just made 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.039 a little really easy finger on it like somebody throwing 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:21.920 my lib against okay see, and it kind of floated 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.560 like led him too long, like he didn't have his 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:27.920 his feets weren't right, dog, and he jumped and just gled, 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.400 And the chapter in it was like he has that. 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:35.839 And then the thing about Jalen is like in here, 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:39.359 dog like he's there, like he's competitive, he's angry, he's fiery, 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:43.160 like he's there. So a lot of those reasons are 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:46.880 why he's gonna be really, really good. And I think 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:50.039 I would strongly believe he has that superstar potential in 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:54.000 him because he's like angry when things don't work out, 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:59.000 Like he's frustrated when you know, hey, like he didn't 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:03.200 you know, if he's not scoring or he's not playing 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.680 up to where he should be, he's mad. Yeah, he's 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:10.160 he's not. He's not on a different level. I don't 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:11.720 want to say Kobe because a lot of people through 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:13.760 a Kobe, and I think those are really big shoes 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:18.080 and field. But he has that like anger, like like 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.599 I'm supposed to be this dude, y'all tripping, y'all tripping? 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.680 What what do y'all see? Like y'all tripping? That's what 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:30.000 is like? Yeah, he different dogs, that swagger, that confidence, Uh, 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:32.599 that's I mean we you know, when we used to 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.320 hoop against guys like that, we would say it was arrogance, 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:38.039 but it's really not. It's just full on belief and 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.880 your skill setting, your ability. And I definitely agree with 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.680 you on many fronts. With Jalen, I've seen him do 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:46.880 some stuff that just blows my mind at times. Obviously 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.720 young and he still has to develop and learn how 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:52.760 to play in the NBA. But man, I want I 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:54.720 still want to stay on the Rockets for a little bit, man, 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:58.719 because this is intriguing, this lineup, in this situation and 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.719 then going into next season, how things could could shape 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:06.760 up okay with draft positions and all that. Kevin Porter Jr. 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:13.400 How do you characterize him? Is he does he embrace 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.880 like being like sort of a leader, an elder statesman 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:21.040 on this team. He does as best as he can 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:24.480 because he's he's still learning the position. This is his 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:26.880 second year, kind of picking up where he left off 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:30.560 last year. But to me, he does it by example. 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:33.800 He talks to his teammates. He has an amazing attitude. 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.000 He's figuring out how to be like a next play guy. 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:38.960 Oh they didn't go well? All right? Next place? Like 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:42.120 next play, Like he's correcting himself. Really like next play 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:45.600 because we get a bad whistle sometimes and I don't 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:46.920 say we, And when I say we, I mean the 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.600 Rockets in the sense of they get grab they get hell, 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:51.960 they get pushing the ground and it's something like, hey man, 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:55.240 you like get up and play and realizing that that's 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:59.320 what it is. He's been so much better and it's 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:03.040 it's like it's it's just foul sometimes, like like every 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.600 hooper knows when you get a certain whistle from a referee, 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:08.440 like it's personal, like you are like like you know 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:12.040 what I'm saying. But he's I definitely believe a leader. 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:14.320 He wants to step up and hit the big shots. 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.080 I think he's figuring out still how to get other 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:21.200 guys involved. So he's the point guard that like if 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:26.680 you cut kJ, he's hitting you every time, but he's learning, 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:30.520 Like mm hmm. If I send that guy through, he's 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.400 gonna help. And then then you know, kJ is gonna 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:34.800 have an open three in the corner. You know what 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:38.480 I'm saying, So you get a big broke. The next step, 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:42.520 like I said, is when that cutter goes through, I'm 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:44.480 waving them through to get the three point shot to 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:48.599 open up for my teammate. So he starts getting understanding offenses. 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.400 And you know, today's point guard to me, has to 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:53.320 be even a little bit more doper. You want to 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:56.400 know why, because before the point guards job is just 0:08:56.440 --> 0:09:00.160 to run to play. Now you gotta know your team's run, 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:02.320 and you got to know the other team how they're 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:05.680 playing you. You gotta know your player of stramps. You 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:10.880 gotta that position is evolved because switching, dude, because now 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.000 your players don't work this, Your players don't work the 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:16.560 same anymore. So to me, that's the next step for 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.120 for Kevin that he has to get you, but don't 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:21.800 get it twisted. If you're open, he's getting you the 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:26.040 rock every time. He's super talented. What do you think 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:30.960 is the most important facet of a team? I mean, 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:37.080 there's offense defense that contributes to success. Is it both 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.440 a combination of both? Is it the teams that can 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:41.360 pick up the defense and stuff the quickest, or is 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.600 the teams that can figure out the offensive stuff the quickest? 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:50.160 In the NBA? Can I take another route? Do it? Culture? Like? 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:55.520 Who are you? Like? If your deal is like play defense, 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:58.000 get it off the glass and run? Like are you 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:01.120 the best at that? Like if you're a Golden State 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:04.120 and you score? Are you the best that scoring and 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:08.880 shooting threes? Right? Like? Culture like who are you are? 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:12.040 Young guys are figuring out what are we? Do we 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.240 scrap and play hard? Do we run? Are we one 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:17.200 on one team? Who are the rock Who are we? 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.199 Who are the Rockets? Right now? At this stage of 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:23.120 the game. They're still figuring it out. There's a second 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.520 unit that plays really hard. kJ Martin, try eaton who's 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:28.840 my group of They rebound that you dive on the floor, 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:30.960 They do do that that whole They all the dirty work, 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:35.400 like all the nasty that O G. Matt Barnes work. Okay, 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:41.679 then you're already big bro. Then you gotta you know, 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:45.120 you got Kevin and Jalen who can score one on 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:50.000 one over anybody, And they're figuring out how does this 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:54.000 work with everybody else? And when am I supposed to 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:57.760 go do my deal? Because I can't just go one 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.440 on one every time down it's not gonna work. But 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:03.679 my team needs me to go one on one. What's 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:08.800 that balance? So those two are figuring out what it 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:10.760 looks like. And the best thing I saw in the 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:14.560 last game Jalen had what seven eight about seven eight 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:16.559 assist last game, had nine assist the game before, so 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:20.360 him playmaking. Now it opens up your shot. Now they 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.720 got to figure out how they're gonna guard you. So, um, 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:27.000 that's to me the biggest difference that I see um 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:29.880 or the next step with them or that's the culture 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.760 that they have now. But figuring out what, like what 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:34.360 are we like? Are we the team that's gonna like 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.679 get in your face, We're gonna get a little chippy 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:39.280 with you. Are good guys are bad guys? Like? And 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:42.600 it's legit questions. I don't think any are wrong. Should 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:44.640 we We're gonna say we're up here in Denver. I remember, 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:48.040 you know, Kate Martin and Chaunce and them boys and Nollo, 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:51.240 they were bad boys traveling. They were bad boys like 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:54.160 that was their del you know. So this young team 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:56.560 is still figuring it out. I think they need to 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.439 run more. You know, when you're young, you gotta run, dude, 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:01.360 Like people don't want to run with you for four quarters. 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.400 You know, maybe you lose, but you gotta lose your way, 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:07.040 you know, and then when you figure out what that is, 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:11.800 you're dangerous. Absolutely no, thank you for that assessment. It 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:15.520 makes sense to everything that you're saying, especially how you 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.240 how you approach the NBA. I asked about technical stuff 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:21.440 on court, you went straight to culture and figuring out identity, 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:25.400 which is absolutely the right thing to do. What about 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:31.480 this NBA season has maybe surprised you or you've been like, 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.520 I didn't expect that to happen. Has there been anything 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:40.360 that stood out so far? Holland Utah. Utah has been 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:44.200 pretty good. It's early though, but you know you're like 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:47.720 kind of like, what are they? And Mike Connolly has 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.920 found a way to do it again and and and 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.679 be himself. So I think Utah is one of those 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:59.400 pleasant surprises. Um, Golden State doesn't shock me, like you 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.960 know that you know they're gonna be better, dude, Like 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.480 it's early, they don't do They're probably not even in 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:06.960 shape yet, you know. And when we saw him it 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:08.800 looked like the real step in the real play. So 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:11.720 it's like, yeah, they're very much they're very much still there. 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:20.439 They're they're very much still there, you know. So um, Lakers, 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:26.360 we're gonna on. Um. I think Indiana pleasant surprise up there. 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:30.120 Moving to Bonus, they're not great, but like they're gonna 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.280 sneak up and beat you. And they've had a couple 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:35.040 of comebacks and kind of Rick Carliles getting in his 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.280 bag again. Remember I think how his best coaching job was, 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:42.800 you know, taking that old Pacers team with after the altercation, 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:46.040 all the suspensions of just winning games, and it seems 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.200 like he's kind of Rick's kind of doing that again 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:52.960 up there with the Pacers. So, um, Haliburton has been amazing, 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:58.040 Yeah dude, yeah, like like really good, like like crazy, 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.080 no turnover stats, it's just to turnover and say and 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:03.760 so like yeah, yeah. So I think there's a couple 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.640 of surprises in the league, those being one of them. 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.400 I think just everything being even killed though, man, like 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:12.440 you're honest and Luca doing what they're doing. Are we 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.959 really surprised by that? You know, Yokis being that like 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:17.160 you know, John Moran. Those things are kind of on 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:19.600 part of happened. So we haven't seen the breakouts, but 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:22.000 I guess, I guess I just wrote with Utah, you 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:24.120 know Utah right now and the Pacers a little bit 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:26.000 is just like that that team you don't really want 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.240 to play because they'll come back and they'll beat you. 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:33.320 They play to two bigs. Um, they're they're really traditional. 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.560 But it's just Rick Karnal being Rick dude. Sure. The 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.960 Clippers and the Lakers have surprised me the most as 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:43.200 far as just the way things are going for both. 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.840 I expected more out of the Clippers. I understand the 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:48.080 rhyme and the reason we can't things you can't control 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.160 with injuries and this and that. But it's just for me. 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.200 I just felt like, you know, both of those teams 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:56.520 would be in different positions uh as we had moving 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.480 forward through the season. Just that's my little two cents, 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:03.200 not got you know it matters to anybody, but uh 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.280 Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:09.280 the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:12.480 Radio dot com and within the I Heart Radio app 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:15.920 search f s R to listen live. How is let 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:19.760 me ask you this. Before you got into the TV 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:23.240 broadcasting and when you were a player in the NBA, 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:26.720 you were a journeyman and so you you know, you 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.440 bounced around a little bit sometimes you were in a 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:32.760 couple of teams during the course of the season. How 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:37.600 what did it take for you from a mental and 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:41.160 a physical standpoint to stick in the league and to 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:45.080 continuously be on make an NBA roster for over for 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:49.280 a decade. People don't know for a young player, I 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:53.040 had a different coach every single year in the league. 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:57.800 So I used to be frustrated because I would get 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:02.800 different defensive coverages, different expectations from the coaches. I couldn't 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:05.640 really get like a like this is what we do, 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.200 This is what we expect from you from a coach. 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.080 And I got to a point where it was like, 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.480 you just gotta do it, bro, Like whatever they're asking, like, 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:17.000 you just got to do it. Whatever the system is, like, 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.120 you just got to do it. And I feel like 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:24.200 that helped me a lot in my longevity. Um and 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:26.640 then locking in and you know, seeing hey, are you 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.600 more of an asset to what coaches asking or a 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:33.320 liability you know, or can you deliver what's being asked 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:37.840 of you? And I feel like that really helped change 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:39.920 what I was able to do or what I was 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:42.480 trying to bring to the table and help my longevity 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:45.320 in the league, because it's not about you, Like now, 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:48.640 if you're a big time superstar score that's it, But 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:51.520 like for the role players, how well you fit and 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:54.920 you're gonna be in different situations all the time and 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:58.160 you gotta find a way to bring something to the 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:02.840 table and nix is can't be I don't know what 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.080 we're doing. It's a different coverage in last year. It's 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:08.040 a different this like you just gotta do it, bro. Yeah, 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:12.000 the different standard for the role player. Yes, how do 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:13.960 you fit? How do you adapt? You know, we brought 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.200 you in for X, Y and Z, and these are expectations. 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:20.960 The expectations are different everywhere. The expectations are different everywhere. Dude. Yeah, 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:27.440 who's the like the like just the hardest dude that 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:29.520 you played with, just as far as like a leader, 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.800 ball player, everything all in one. Was there somebody during 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:35.879 your tenure that you're you could just have like the 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:39.320 utmost respect for it because of your experience playing alongside 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:45.280 of him. Kevin Garnett, Bro, that's a history. Kevin Garnett 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:49.800 is culture. He he is going to preach the hard word, 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:54.560 that diving on the floor, the intangibles, that little things. Yeah, 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.040 that's KG all day twice on the Sunday. It's not 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.440 even It's not even close, dude, Like with that man 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:03.120 rings to the table, big brother is not even close. Yeah, 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:07.600 that's sick. Was there a situation that you look back 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.920 on during your career where you were like, man, that 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:14.040 was the one that I really am satisfied with my performance. 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:16.800 I'm happy about how that went. You know what I'm saying. 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:20.600 Is there a place somebody like a full year yeah 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:24.080 or whatever however long you were there, maybe playoff run, 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:28.280 I don't know. I mean, I'm just kind of you know, yeah, No, 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:34.720 when um, when I was in Boston piggybacking on KG, 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:42.640 I learned what basketball was like. You can be like Bro, 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:44.520 you can lose the love of the game. And the 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:48.160 NBA is so easy because it becomes a numbers thing. 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:53.160 The best guy doesn't always play. You're not gonna get 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.040 certain opportunities. The team is trying to lose, teams trying 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:59.600 to win. You know, you're not getting your shot, and 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:02.280 it's easy to kind of lose the love of the 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:04.760 game and just but like I'm just doing what I'm 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:11.359 told now. In terms of Boston, the reason why I 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:16.119 say it was so special for me is that Kevin Gardnet, 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:20.080 Paul Pierce Ray, like those guys played for Pride. We 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:23.160 were playing Atlanta, bro and I remember me and Greg 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:25.679 Steves map to the game KG. This is when like 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:27.919 I forget who was on sports and or something like 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:30.680 Kg's done. Kg's done, he doesn't have anymore. He's watched 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:33.960 up for playing Atlanta. I think like Jason Collins, bro Uh, 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:36.280 he had like the game of his life. Atlanta beats 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:39.040 us at their place, Like kg's watched up. You know, 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:43.760 he heard it and KG dropped like thirty five fifteen 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:48.000 and like three blocks on like sudden crazy dude and 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:50.560 me and Greg Stevesman were walking back into the locker room. 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:53.240 True store can't make this up. As we're walk in 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:55.440 the locker room, we walk around, you know, the gardens 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:59.879 TV garden is all old and vented throwback and we 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.240 can in CAGs in the locker room by himself and 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:04.840 he's standing there and he's like looking to the sky 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:09.000 bro and he's he's flexing. Every muscle in his body 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:11.480 is flexing. The game has been over for the last 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:15.080 thirty minutes, dude and KG kid you not, bro. He 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:18.199 had goose bumps in his arm, had goose bumps shooting 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:20.360 out through his arm. His hairs were sticking straight up. 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:23.640 He looked like a like a super saying bro. And 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:27.320 he was just he was just vibing out and me 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:31.200 and Greg stopped. He was like, yo that bro, like 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.080 this is not a game, Like Yo, this is real. 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:38.239 And it was like seeing how intense he was. You 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:40.800 hear about it, but once you like you see it, 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:44.399 it's it's different. I remember like before the game, no 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:48.560 scoring around actually around nobody. He has this same routine 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:53.480 he does like the Bible, dude, it is clockwork, stretch, 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:58.400 foam roll, you know, shoot, come in hot tub coat, 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:01.840 like the same deal. And like if you walk into 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:05.199 like before the game, playing around, he's gonna give you 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:08.800 the business. And like when he dogged, like when KG 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:15.080 is heated, he'll look up like if right at you, bro, 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:18.919 like like like what do you want? Like and you 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:21.600 don't want him to go there? Then even like layup 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:25.080 lines had to be the same. Each person went in 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:28.240 a certain order, and then as the ball fell out 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:31.960 the net, he had to let it drop and then 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:34.639 like him and Rondo passed the ball to like it 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:38.880 had to be the same deal and like I can't 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:41.439 make it up, like in order, in order Johnson. So 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:44.240 like you weren't ready. It was. It was a thing, 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:48.320 and I probably want to say one of the best 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:51.880 experiences is uh just little stuff, bro, Like I get 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:57.920 off on stuff like this. Um. Before the game, there 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:00.800 was like a like we would come out with certain energy. 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:04.919 So you get out there and it's the old building 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:09.320 man TV garden go back right, And we had to 0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:11.440 get out there early. So we're stretching, we're doing our thing, 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:15.960 and then you know, Paul comes out last. Paul's late. 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:19.480 It's just Paul's deal, okay. And as he comes out, 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:21.800 you know KG is kind of there and we would 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:23.440 be there early. And then KG, you walk out in 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:26.960 full sweat, all right, literally full start dripping. He's doing 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:31.880 his leg swings, his whole deal, and uh, Paul will 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:36.399 come out in the in the tunnel'd be like, Celtics, 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:42.560 are you ready? Who take it all? We're ready? Who? 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:47.760