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Speaker 1: This is kJ Live with Chris john Silis and Chris

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Speaker 1: is having conversations with influencers in the sports world and

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Speaker 1: entertainment in the strain. Now here's Chris Johnson. You are

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Speaker 1: now tuned in to kJ Live. Today's guests on the

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Speaker 1: show was a former us A Brewing baller that spent

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Speaker 1: ten seasons playing in the n b A. He now

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Speaker 1: works for the Houston Rockets as the color analysts. Let's

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Speaker 1: welcome in Ryan Hollins to the building to kJ Live.

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Speaker 1: What's good Ryan? What's some big bro? How are you going? Man? Man?

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Speaker 1: I'm great, man. It's a little chilly out here in

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Speaker 1: l A. Man. You out there and where denver? What's cracking? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean never right now, we got got k on it.

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Speaker 1: They're not back the backs, they're like game and games

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Speaker 1: whatever they're called. So uh okay, yeah, man, we were

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Speaker 1: seeing that young boy up closing personal So you got

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Speaker 1: you guys, got yokers. Now the Rockets this year, you

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Speaker 1: guys are sitting at around five and fifteen. Um. The

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Speaker 1: young guys have been playing a lot, getting a lot

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Speaker 1: of experience. Just talk a little bit about how this

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Speaker 1: season in this first sort of third or fourth of

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Speaker 1: the season has gone for the Houston team, I think

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Speaker 1: for the young guys has been amazing because they've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of experience. When you can look at the record,

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Speaker 1: but you also understand ten of the pirst third team,

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Speaker 1: we're on the road. You've seen like two non playoff

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Speaker 1: teams already, so like they've been getting hazed and I

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Speaker 1: think they've done just well. And I think that the

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Speaker 1: big thing is development. And um, you've seen Jalen get better.

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Speaker 1: We've seen Jabari who the last three games was averaging

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Speaker 1: around nineteen points per you know, kind of really coming

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Speaker 1: to his own. So that's a big point of the season.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's not that the Rockets aren't trying to

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Speaker 1: win games, it's like developments important. And when you got

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Speaker 1: a eighteen nineteen year old out there on the floor,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna have to learn NBA basketball. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: rare that you find those, what all due respect, the

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Speaker 1: nineteen year old, the Magic Johnson's, the Lucas Lebron's, that's

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Speaker 1: why they are who they are and takes other other guys,

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Speaker 1: you know, a couple more years to become you know

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Speaker 1: that guy. Yeah, no, it does. And it's interesting how

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Speaker 1: now you know you mentioned Luca Lebron, but you know

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Speaker 1: guys that saw success so early, so prolific in the

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Speaker 1: NBA that we kind of measure rookies by that standard

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Speaker 1: now and it is sort of unfair. One of the

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Speaker 1: young guys on that team, Chugoon, that's been playing a

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Speaker 1: lot of good basketball. I read somewhere Yoki said the

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Speaker 1: Rockets should run the offense through him more. What's been

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Speaker 1: the key to his development this season for the Rockets.

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Speaker 1: He had so much success last year, but he came

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Speaker 1: up the bench. Now he's a starter. Now the teams

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Speaker 1: are game planning for him a little different. Um so

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Speaker 1: I Pronchangoon. He's he's a four two year old man

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Speaker 1: in a in a twenty year old body like he

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Speaker 1: has all the shoulder face, all the he's nice, he's

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Speaker 1: he's you at six ten six eleven bro. No, his

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Speaker 1: footwork is yeah, I know, yes, that experienced in the

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Speaker 1: Turkish League, my man like Hollans. What do you think

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Speaker 1: like because he came in experience, he was kind of

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Speaker 1: tried through the fire over there. I played in that

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Speaker 1: league for a quick cup of coffee. Yeah, it's one

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Speaker 1: there something going on, you know with with the development

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Speaker 1: staff and the work that they're putting in. Just give

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Speaker 1: It's both big bro, you know, to to be honest,

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Speaker 1: um when when you look at him, he's gotten so

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Speaker 1: these guys last year, DeAndre Aden, and like he wasn't intimidated.

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Speaker 1: He just had to catch up to Oh that's how

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Speaker 1: it's it's he's figuring out how to be that guy

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Speaker 1: night tonight. Basis, does Jalen Green have the potential to

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Speaker 1: He does, bro And the reason I say, you know, well,

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Speaker 1: the live went too high and he when and caught

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Speaker 1: like led him too long, like he didn't have his

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Speaker 1: And the chapter in it was like he has that.

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Speaker 1: And then the thing about Jalen is like in here,

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Speaker 1: like he's there. So a lot of those reasons are

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Speaker 1: why he's gonna be really, really good. And I think

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Speaker 1: I would strongly believe he has that superstar potential in

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Speaker 1: him because he's like angry when things don't work out,

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Speaker 1: Like he's frustrated when you know, hey, like he didn't

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Speaker 1: you know, if he's not scoring or he's not playing

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Speaker 1: up to where he should be, he's mad. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: he's not. He's not on a different level. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to say Kobe because a lot of people through

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Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be this dude, y'all tripping, y'all tripping?

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Speaker 1: What what do y'all see? Like y'all tripping? That's what

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Speaker 1: that's I mean we you know, when we used to

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Speaker 1: but it's really not. It's just full on belief and

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Speaker 1: your skill setting, your ability. And I definitely agree with

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Speaker 1: you on many fronts. With Jalen, I've seen him do

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Speaker 1: some stuff that just blows my mind at times. Obviously

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Speaker 1: still want to stay on the Rockets for a little bit, man,

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Speaker 1: because this is intriguing, this lineup, in this situation and

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Speaker 1: How do you characterize him? Is he does he embrace

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Speaker 1: because he's he's still learning the position. This is his

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Speaker 1: last year. But to me, he does it by example.

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Speaker 1: He talks to his teammates. He has an amazing attitude.

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Speaker 1: He's figuring out how to be like a next play guy.

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Speaker 1: next play, Like he's correcting himself. Really like next play

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Speaker 1: because we get a bad whistle sometimes and I don't

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Speaker 1: say we, And when I say we, I mean the

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Speaker 1: Rockets in the sense of they get grab they get hell,

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Speaker 1: they get pushing the ground and it's something like, hey man,

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Speaker 1: it's like it's it's just foul sometimes, like like every

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Speaker 1: like it's personal, like you are like like you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But he's I definitely believe a leader.

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Speaker 1: He wants to step up and hit the big shots.

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Speaker 1: I think he's figuring out still how to get other

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Speaker 1: Like mm hmm. If I send that guy through, he's

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, So you get a big broke. The next step,

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Speaker 1: And you know, today's point guard to me, has to

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Speaker 1: be even a little bit more doper. You want to

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Speaker 1: know why, because before the point guards job is just

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Speaker 1: to run to play. Now you gotta know your team's run,

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Speaker 1: and you got to know the other team how they're

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Speaker 1: gotta that position is evolved because switching, dude, because now

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Speaker 1: same anymore. So to me, that's the next step for

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Speaker 1: for Kevin that he has to get you, but don't

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Speaker 1: there's offense defense that contributes to success. Is it both

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Speaker 1: the teams that can figure out the offensive stuff the quickest?

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Speaker 1: In the NBA? Can I take another route? Do it? Culture? Like?

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Speaker 1: Who are you? Like? If your deal is like play defense,

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Speaker 1: shooting threes? Right? Like? Culture like who are you are?

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Speaker 1: Young guys are figuring out what are we? Do we

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Speaker 1: Who are the Rockets? Right now? At this stage of

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Speaker 1: the game. They're still figuring it out. There's a second

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Speaker 1: unit that plays really hard. kJ Martin, try eaton who's

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Speaker 1: my group of They rebound that you dive on the floor,

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Speaker 1: They do do that that whole They all the dirty work,

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Speaker 1: like all the nasty that O G. Matt Barnes work. Okay,

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Speaker 1: then you're already big bro. Then you gotta you know,

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Speaker 1: you got Kevin and Jalen who can score one on

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Speaker 1: one over anybody, And they're figuring out how does this

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Speaker 1: work with everybody else? And when am I supposed to

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Speaker 1: go do my deal? Because I can't just go one

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Speaker 1: last game Jalen had what seven eight about seven eight

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Speaker 1: assist last game, had nine assist the game before, so

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Speaker 1: him playmaking. Now it opens up your shot. Now they

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Speaker 1: got to figure out how they're gonna guard you. So, um,

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Speaker 1: that's to me the biggest difference that I see um

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Speaker 1: or the next step with them or that's the culture

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Speaker 1: that they have now. But figuring out what, like what

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Speaker 1: it's legit questions. I don't think any are wrong. Should

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Speaker 1: out of the game. Then ME and KG would come

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00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: off the bench, and especially if he's got you hyped,

424
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: so listen, Bro, I'm playing with KG. Was on my wall.

425
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: I used to cut out little pictures of Kevin Garnett

426
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: past on my wall on my wall growing up, Bro

427
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: true story, Kg. This was my kind of time. So

428
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: I would be on the ball and KG would get

429
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: back and take my man, and whoever went back, he

430
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 1: just took him because he was like, we're the same Joe.

431
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: We're the same Joe. That would be on the ball

432
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 1: and I'd be in a one. It was me and

433
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: Avery Bradley, prime, Avery Bradley, pick up full court. Avery Bradley.

434
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: We started and Keion dueling on the other wing. We

435
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: would deny the other team. They couldn't get the ball

436
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: and bounce. Bro. It was like it was on like

437
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: I can't even I can't even say, hey you. It

438
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: was on something like team practice in the middle of July,

439
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: a real mobal part. Bro. Hey yo, those when I

440
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: say Johnson, I was playing as hard as I could

441
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 1: physically play like I would have like run, I don't

442
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: run through a wall, Bro, Yo. That some of the

443
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: best times in my life. But you talk about basketball,

444
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,239
Speaker 1: being an experienced giving yourself to the game propelled me. Bro.

445
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: I played five or six more years just off of

446
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: taking nuggets from that that run. We don't get the championship,

447
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 1: no thanks to Lebron, but that run, Furst I've ever

448
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: been in the NBA and just seeing what it's like

449
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: in the details that going to the game, we're like

450
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: just being game ready, being able to adjust on the fly.

451
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: Like dog running into a pick and roll with Prime

452
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: d Wade coming off and I can't foul him because

453
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: if I get out of position, it's a foul. He's

454
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: looking for the foul the way used to be like

455
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: a power forward, Bro playing to guard. He was looking

456
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: for the contact. So you had to be in the

457
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: stance ready. What was it like playing what was it

458
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: like playing Dwight Howard back then? Here's the thing. Dwight

459
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: was so strong and so fast that like he put

460
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 1: his arms up and like you couldn't like get around him,

461
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 1: so you had to like push him out. And like

462
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: Dwight used to walk around like Debo Bro. Dwight had

463
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: his own gravity, Johnson, you know what I'm saying, Like

464
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: when a guy has his own gravity, like you feel

465
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: where he is on the court. So like Dwight was

466
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: sitting in the painting like I dare you to score

467
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: over me. He was like sending my way, I dare

468
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: to score. Just go. He was getting everything. Dude, you

469
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: had a different he would he just wreck. He would

470
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: defensive player to year by the last what the greatest

471
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: DEACONSI players we've ever seen. It was like and then

472
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: there were like no stretch five. So Dwight can't get

473
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 1: away with that now because the stretch five there weren't

474
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,719
Speaker 1: stretch five. So he just sat there like he was

475
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: so intimidating you into did you ever try or did

476
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: you ever I didn't catch I didn't catch the white

477
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: him a jump hunker too before, but like he didn't

478
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: even have to play real defense. Bro. You know the kids,

479
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: you're like getting this stands three quarters, you know, get

480
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: be ready to play. Dwight was so strong and so mobile. Bro,

481
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: you you couldn't score on him? Is he couldn't score

482
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: on him? Bro? Is he top seventy five? Eazy? Okay?

483
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: I was just wondering, Bro, he in his era, for

484
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: what he was supposed to do, he was different. Bro.

485
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: They penalized the White maybe for you know, not being

486
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: the greatest teammate, you know, kind of being to his

487
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: own drum at certain times. But it's like, no, that dude,

488
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: that dude right there is different, Bro. He and he's not.

489
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: He has not gotten in respect that he deserves. And

490
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: it's Um, I think it's tough to see, but yeah,

491
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 1: the White was different. Bro. What doing that your career?

492
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,239
Speaker 1: What was the single greatest performance you ever witnessed or

493
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: were a part of, or your team or that you

494
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: witnessed in person. Two of them that I can't not

495
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: mention first is, um, Clay Thompson play is not really

496
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: Clay yet. I don't think this was like they didn't

497
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: This wasn't like Championship Golden State and like he had

498
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 1: a couple of games. He was a good shooter. You

499
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: were like, yo, like we like him, like yo, like

500
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: he's good, dude, Like he's good. And me and Carl

501
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: Andry running bench with the Kings were veterans at the time.

502
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: I think, like my ninth year, we're chilling and we're

503
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: having a conversation, like, yo, do you like Clay at all?

504
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 1: Like you like him like that? You know, we're just

505
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: talking to hoops and he's like he's solid, you know,

506
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: like I rolled with him, like calls like I'm in

507
00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: on him. I'm like, you know, I gotta see more.

508
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: You know. Is he just a shooter? Is he defending?

509
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: What is it? You know? Because he knows the guys

510
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: we know, put the ball on the deck. Clay is

511
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: gonna burn you with no dribbles. So I think it's

512
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: like the third quarter and Clay HiT's a a three. Okay,

513
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: it's an open three, al right. Cool. You know, game

514
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: keeps going on the floor of the offense. Play it's

515
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: another three, okay. Cool. They get on transition, Clay comes down,

516
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: pull up three, cool pain Okay, Clay, pull up three

517
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: al right. Cool. Clay goes to the block, turning in

518
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: your mouth and Clay hits another jumping, Clay comes down,

519
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: shot flake one, dribble, pluck three boom, time out, whoa

520
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: hold on? Okay, who's going him? Somebody got we're doing

521
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: when the Kings were going random defenders at them. Clay

522
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: and me and Carl looking at each other more and

523
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: more like, are you watching this? Like yeah, he's like that.

524
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: There's still point plays right in front of me. I'm

525
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: waving my towel down there. Probably hit him down there.

526
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,959
Speaker 1: I know he could hear, but trying to make him.

527
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: It's true. He scores thirty five points in the quarter.

528
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: Bro dang and me and Car inbia at thirty five

529
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: points in one quarter, which means that do the math right,

530
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: could have scored seventy seventy points, yes, seveny time. He

531
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: could have scored a hundred and forty points if he

532
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: did that every single quarter's thirty five right, thirty five seven?

533
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah right, it's different when you say it like that,

534
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: it hits different. He could have scored a hundred and

535
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: forty points by himself. That dude's a bucket long, story short,

536
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: the greatest things I've ever seen. On the other and there,

537
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: I think there's a picture in the Warrior's office where

538
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: he's shooting, and I'm like behind him waving aild like

539
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 1: trying to make a miss. Like somebody took a picture

540
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: and showed me, um what, Lebron, We're up three to

541
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: We're ready to get our ring sides. Coming back to

542
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: the crib, coming back to Boston. And the report said

543
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: Lebron is soft, he's not a dog. He doesn't have

544
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: it the actual scouting report, not the scouting report, but

545
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: that was a consensus about him. He's not like that.

546
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: You know, he's talented, he's good. But if you put

547
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: him that was our game plan though, kind of like

548
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: you put him in the right situation, he's gonna fold

549
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: the he you'll see his brain thinking too much and

550
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's not he's not ready. And we got there.

551
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: We played well. We were gonna come out ready, we

552
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: were gonna be us. We knew that if things got tight,

553
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: we wanted the game to be tight. Okay, we wanted

554
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: the game to be tight because we knew Dwyane Wade

555
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: beat us. I think two games, and we're like, okay,

556
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: as soon as we're locking on Dwayne Wade, he's the

557
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: only guy who can go get you in the in

558
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, so we like cool, we got du

559
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: Wayne Wade figured out, got him locked up. We would

560
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: because now if they got to go to Bron, he's

561
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: not gonna you guys, So you guys weren't tripping on Bron.

562
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: You guys were basically like, if it's the fourth quarter,

563
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: you're not really tripping on Brian. We're gonna see t

564
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: Rex arms. He's gonna the moment's gonna hit him. The

565
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: moment's gonna hit him, right, so we're all just do

566
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: our thing, don't trip. Of course, we're playing hard. We

567
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: don't want him to score, but great players are going

568
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: to score, but the moment's gonna hit them. Lebron proceeded

569
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: to have one of the greatest performance that we've ever

570
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: seen in the NBA. In the garden, KG said things

571
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: to him, I can't repeat this day to this day,

572
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: your mama, Grandma. He went in and Lebron had this

573
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: look on his face. Bro. It wasn't hyped, it wasn't sad.

574
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: It was just in the zone, bro. And he gave

575
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: us thirty five, fifteen and like five and for the

576
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: game in the and it's bro, it would have been

577
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: a closed out game. We would have went to the

578
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: NBA Championship, and like, you know, Broun, like it's dunks,

579
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: It's nah, Bro. These were MIDI pull ups. That's when

580
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: he was mid post. That's when he was mid posting.

581
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: Y'all post Bron, we couldn't run a double team over

582
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: there fast enough because he was already turned it around

583
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: in the pet and you know, the double team there,

584
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: so we're jumping on that outside shoulder, forcing them back middle.

585
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: He's still going dog. It was, and it was like

586
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: I never forget it. After we lost. Paul and KG

587
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: were like he liked that, like we respect him, Like

588
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: he liked that, gave it up all right, he got it,

589
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: They're like, he got it. He liked that. Fox Sports

590
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00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: s are to listen live. Yeah, that that Bron game

594
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: was like that turning point game where you know he

595
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: kind of shed that tag of not being clutch. I

596
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: remember back then it was all about Brian, this lack

597
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: of clutchiness and why we can't consider him this and

598
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: that and that game in particular in the guarden. I

599
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: think they had on their black unis uh the dang heat.

600
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: I mean they came with it and he and he

601
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: couldn't miss what is what is it? What did it

602
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: feel like like in that situation after the game when

603
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: you guys realized, like you know that the series had shifted.

604
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: I don't want to say we knew we lost, because

605
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna try everything to win, but you knew with

606
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: in their place, with their role players. He role players

607
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: played better at home, their role players running and their

608
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: energy and a different, a different type of atmosphere, like

609
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: we had to win, you know the place you have

610
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 1: to win this game. Don't let it go back three

611
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: three at their house. And we we don't get me wrong,

612
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: we gave it everything we had in game seven, but

613
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: we knew that window was missed. And it was like

614
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 1: you when you know you've given one percent to something,

615
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: you live with the results. We live with it. It

616
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: was disappointing, but we live with the results. Yeah, you do.

617
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: What do you think was the biggest difference and the

618
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: way that you were coached at U c L a

619
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: versus the way that you were coached in the NBA.

620
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: Ben Hollan, well, laugh and let me get loose. Don't

621
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: get me wrong. But it was like, just go be you.

622
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: And it was like, people don't remember I used to

623
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: take cats off the bounce and go bang out. I

624
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: used to shoot. I'm not gonna say before, but if

625
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: I play on the wing, I remember the mid post,

626
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: go go baseline, spend back. Then Hall, I was like,

627
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: I want you on the block. I don't want you

628
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: to drive. I want you to shoot a jump hook.

629
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: I don't want you to block a shot. I want

630
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: you to wall up. It was a whole different thing.

631
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: When I got to the NBA. It was like, oh,

632
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: he has a four years vertical. We didn't know that

633
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 1: because we never saw you really dunk in college because

634
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: Ben halland just wanted two points. So I had to

635
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: adjust and show God's gifts. You get what I'm saying.

636
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: So you played a different game in the league than

637
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: you did in college. Basically, he became the actor I

638
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: had to, and it worked out in the best way

639
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: in the sense that I had to like learn, all right,

640
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: go set the spring, get your shoot over. Okay, he's flaring,

641
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: flipped the screen, read the flare all he jumps out

642
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: slip live Like I had to learn the game of

643
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: basketball from Ben Hallid so later in my career to

644
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: things he taught me. And defensively he was a mastermind.

645
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: I was ahead and when I got to the league

646
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 1: defensively because of the things he showed me. But once

647
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: I've merged as a veteran, the defense and the offense

648
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: and that the minute details things worked out. But it

649
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: was like being an athlete, run use your gifts that

650
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: you were given, you know what I'm saying. So I

651
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: had to find that when you was it your senior

652
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: year that you played UM in the final? Yes, year

653
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: and so and that was against Florida, Yes, and so

654
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: I always wanted to know about this, Like, up until

655
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: that point, you had been playing well. I remember you

656
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: have been playing well as far as like NBA prospects.

657
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: It was sort of like, you know, you're sort of

658
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: a guy. I don't know if you're on the draft boards,

659
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: but but you were like an interesting sort of dude

660
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: for people. Right, So when you went up against Noah

661
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: and Horford and kind of you know, really showed a

662
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: different class of athleticism against those two guys. Did you

663
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: after that game, even though you had the l in

664
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: the championship, did you at all feel somewhat like satisfied,

665
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: Like like I proved I could play against two highly

666
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: rated dudes that are gonna be, you know, big time pros.

667
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: Well for one of those two were probably my age,

668
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: but there were sophomores at the time, which was like crazy.

669
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: But I don't think anybody knew those two were gonna

670
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: be two mainstays in the NBA for a really long time,

671
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: Like those dudes aren't normal. And then most faces off

672
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: the bench and Chris Richards, so they have four leaguers

673
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: on the team. Most I forgot about. So I was very,

674
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: very frustrated. I didn't realize I played as well as

675
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 1: I played until after the game. I had ten and

676
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: ten in the championship game and like two blocks. You

677
00:38:53,400 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: don't realize that, but I was. I was because, No,

678
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: it was so good in Horford. I was going to

679
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: do moves that Ben Hallen never equipped me to do,

680
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: and it was like beating on a baseline spin back.

681
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: He's just as long as you he's still there, all right,

682
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: go up over him with your touch. No, I'm showing

683
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: him the basketball. He's gloving my stuff. So I was frustrated,

684
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: like I could have had twenty and ten and the chip,

685
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: but Ben Hallan didn't let me work on my face

686
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: up to my stuff, like you know what I'm saying.

687
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: So now playing against other pros, I'm trying to go

688
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: to moves that I hadn't worked on, and I'm like,

689
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: this is gonna work. This. I have to be able

690
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: to do this to shoot over his length, and I

691
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: didn't have it or to back him down to you know,

692
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: hook or whatever, because no it was weak. But he

693
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: was long. He was just range e athletics super long.

694
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: You know. He was Joe Kim like one of the

695
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: best defend was in the league whence he got to

696
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 1: the league. So for me, it was figuring that out.

697
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: And I was so frustrated in the sense, and I

698
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: was crushed my last game. I want to think about

699
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: going pro or nothing. I was hurt. We lost in

700
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: the ship. I was crushed. A lot of emotions came

701
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: to me that he just hit me. They crushed me,

702
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: and then it was like yo, get on the ground,

703
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: no time to So Rico called me that weekend. We

704
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: got to work probably that Monday, bro and we we

705
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: we we went at it. Rico heines, Um, but I was.

706
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: I knew I had more for me in the NBA.

707
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: And the first time I saw Noah in the league,

708
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: got him want to post up based up baseline, came

709
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: under that thing and yammed it like like that meant

710
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: something like you know what I'm doing. And I talked

711
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: to Joe Kim. Bro that man owned me in that game.

712
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: There's no question there. And uh, Joe Kim is that dude. Bro.

713
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: I talked to him, Man, I dude had a heck

714
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: of her career. Bro. But but for me and that

715
00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: sense big bro definitely the like like dangn like I'm

716
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: trying to do something I don't have right now. Yeah. No,

717
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: but you I didn't get any of that. I was,

718
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: you know, I was blown away by your performance in

719
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: the championship. I still always felt like, you know, that

720
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: was just like wow, Howls really came to play. And

721
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: that's when I knew you were gonna be in the league. Um,

722
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: I didn't know how, but I knew you were going

723
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: to be in the league and you could contribute. I

724
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: was like, this guy could play. I mean, please, you know,

725
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: at forty introvert he's doing all this. Uh so that

726
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: that was impressive. What a lot of people don't realize

727
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: about you A couple of things they don't realize unless

728
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: they obviously look you up, is that you had signed

729
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 1: with St. Louis originally coach Romar out of high school

730
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: and you were a two sport athlete and we're a

731
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: member of actual member of the u c l A

732
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: track and field team. How did you balance? That's that's

733
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: fascinated me. How how did you? How did you balance?

734
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: To sports? Bro, you know when hoop is over in

735
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: the spring, we're chilling. We're just doing a little the

736
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: little workouts you used to be in there, coach fence

737
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: getting it in. Like that's the time I wish I'd

738
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: never quit track because it was like I could have

739
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: just done some basketball workouts and did track and my

740
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: bounce went wild from year one of year two, that's all.

741
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: My bounce went even like crazier. Bro, you think about it.

742
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: And then I had the knee surgery and sent me

743
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: back a little bit, but it was still there like

744
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: it never left. So yeah, that's the time we're chilling, bro.

745
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: Think about a spring time. We got nothing to do.

746
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: It's just sprain workouts and waits. So yeah, it was,

747
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: it was easy. It was it was like it was

748
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 1: mentally refreshing. Imagine you go from hoop and you need

749
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: this teammate to go well that, that to work and this,

750
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: and then it's like, oh wow, every single every single

751
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: time I went out at PRD every week, Oh phenomenal

752
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: career best but you just keep getting better and better. Yeah, yeah,

753
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: So were you? Were you a Fosbury fly? How did you?

754
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: What did wait? What did you do? The law? High jump?

755
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: High jump? I did high jump and triple job. I

756
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 1: took third the state and triple jump in high school.

757
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: But everything there there are like no triple jump high jumper,

758
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: so that the events would conflict. They were running to

759
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: each other. So I just primarily did high jump. I

760
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: did seven ft in the quarter and I went backwards,

761
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: if that's what you're asking. I didn't go forward, Yeah,

762
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: forwards that it stated. No, it's just amazing that a

763
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: seven ft because I mean, I'm sure Will Chamberlain. I

764
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: don't know if any other seven foot high jumpers. There

765
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: was a guy that's like six six nine in Cuba

766
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: side of Mayor. I forgot his lap first name. He

767
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: was pretty good, but you know, it's just amazing to

768
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: me that you had the coordination. I was going to

769
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: break down that, the fact you're high jumper, the coordination

770
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,720
Speaker 1: to do all that, to do that type of jump,

771
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 1: and then the triple jump coordination to go same leg twice.

772
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: What was the training like with that stuff, Holland? Or

773
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: were you just a natural? Bro It's the most unnatural

774
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: thing ever. The first time in high school when I

775
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: went to highjump, bro Um, my coach just had me

776
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 1: stand on a box and jump into the thing and

777
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: get used to landing. I had to jump in the

778
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: pit and it was our old pit was dusty, and

779
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: the dust stop was going everywhere, and it kind of

780
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: you know age, So every time I jumped in it

781
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: would be full of this side and all kinds of stuff. Dude,

782
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: I jumped in that pit like fifty times my first

783
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:29,959
Speaker 1: Because if you have perspective, you're running, then you drive

784
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: your leg up, you peek at the bar and then

785
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: the arch you go completely backwards. And I'm trusting that

786
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: I'm looking up into the sky and I'm trusting that

787
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: once my feet get over and I tucked, I'm gonna land.

788
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: Because who trains that jump on a mat? If if

789
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: you did that without have met during there, break your back. Yeah,

790
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: it's all about trust. So the biggest thing is getting

791
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: a trust together. And if it was so difficult, bro,

792
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: but once I got used to it, I got better

793
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: and I kind of figured it out. I got used

794
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: to it, and then I remember, like the best coach

795
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: sometimes your teammates. And I remember six eight was like

796
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: my PR right And I remember this Kevin Weaver, unathletic,

797
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: six four white dude, stiff like a box, not even

798
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: really like bouncing, you know, you know athletes went around

799
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: bouncing and springing. Kevin six eight was my PR right

800
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: in high school. Kevin did a three step approach and

801
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: did six eight street step. Three step approach means like

802
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 1: you're starting from like you normally you start from far

803
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: back one two, three, four, you know you have certain steps.

804
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: He said one to three and went six eight. And

805
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: I was like, this dude just jumped my PR off

806
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: a three step approach, and I said, I know I

807
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: have more bounced than him. So I literally watched him

808
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: and was like, I'm doing it. Do did it? Do?

809
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: Did it? What was your what you get? What was

810
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: your what was your did you beat it? Seven three

811
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: quarters with the highest side done. And I was told

812
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: that when I cleared seven feet and three quarters there

813
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: was like four or five inches that I couldn't even

814
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: want even higher because I still didn't really have the form.

815
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: And what's dang, that's because the toughest thing, maybe, Bro,

816
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: the tough The toughest thing is when you you want

817
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: to just jump super high, but if you get too technical,

818
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: you don't really So you gotta find that mixed up

819
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 1: power and technique. Boom man. That takes a considered amount

820
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: of grace and coordination. My brother Mariah was a high

821
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: jumper in high school and he did some stuff. Moe

822
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: was high jumping, so I mean, but it does you

823
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: and you had to have a certain type of build

824
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: I think. Although although it's crazy that Kevin was able

825
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: to do that with his box shape as you described,

826
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: easy bro, Yeah, yeah, Kevin and I learned so much

827
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: and he was a great veteran. I just followed him. Yeah,

828
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: but I come on, man, let's do this, let's do this,

829
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: let's do you know, just followed just watched him. I

830
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: learned so much more from watching him than anything a

831
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,680
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835
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: And who who would you credit for your basketball I

836
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: love of the game, like when you foach fell in

837
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: love with the game when you're a young man. Was

838
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: it a NBA player? Was it a coach? Was it

839
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: you know? Parents? Don't you tell me my dad? Man? Easy?

840
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: He put a court up in the backyard. I'm coming

841
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: home from school. My neighbor went and got me, which

842
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: was weird, Like my neighbor never picked me up from school.

843
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: Let's see the dad or mom people picked me up

844
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: from school. I got home as a court in the backyard.

845
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: I lost my marbles. I remember watching the NBA Championship.

846
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 1: I was originally a Rockets fan. Dude, watching I came

847
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: and shot go at it. Fell in love with the game.

848
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: They're they're tall like me, they're big like me. And

849
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: then it was the two tall guys were the centerpiece

850
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: of that championship. You know who's gonna win. And I

851
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: just fell in love with the game from there, dude,

852
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: And it was something I was just in the backyard,

853
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: just voluntarily just shooting and playing, and my dad just

854
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: knew it's crazy. My dad always said, my dad's only

855
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: six four. My mom's pip loving that. I was like,

856
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: my son is gonna be seven ft. We're gonna be

857
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 1: seven ft. Since a kid, I knew I was gonna

858
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: be because he put it in my brain and he

859
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: put the court in the backyard, dude, and I just

860
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: I fell in love with it. He just he just

861
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: put the pieces they're dude, and it worked. Did you

862
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: guys used to work out a lot? Like would it

863
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 1: be like early in the morning or late at night

864
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: or did you have any uh unorthodox methods that pops

865
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: kind of. I wanted to train with my My dad

866
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,479
Speaker 1: was a tracking football guy, and I went to train

867
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: and work with him more than anything, but he wouldn't

868
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: do it. It's weird. We would go down to the

869
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: high school and he would train the high school kids

870
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: how to hurdle, how to detrain the state champion in hurdles,

871
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,439
Speaker 1: telling him how to hurdle, like like he was his deal.

872
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: So we would play basketball, but he never like training.

873
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: He didn't know how, he didn't know how. You mean

874
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: crazy and we in its different times, Yeah, no, it

875
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: was different times. So when you were around but eighth

876
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: ninth grade, is that when you kind of say you

877
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: took you started to get real serious about the game,

878
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: seeking out training, working on different moves, playing in au.

879
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: Was it around then or was it earlier? Not? Even then,

880
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: I didn't play organized ball. I just played in the backyard. Yeah,

881
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: I didn't have those same opportunities. Dude, played in the backyard.

882
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: I thought you. I thought you who I thought you were? Hey?

883
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: You I wanted to I just didn't have an opportunity. Wow,

884
00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: So you were just wanted to park. Nowaday that they

885
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: see a kid six five, you're grabbing him on the team.

886
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: You're gonna go pick him up from his house, drive

887
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: him to where he's going. Dude, you know, growing up,

888
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't like that. Now every kid has a team.

889
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: It wasn't like that when we grew up. You were

890
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: privileged to kind of have an a U team or

891
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: something like that. Like I got cut, I made the

892
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 1: freshman team, the JV team, my my summer year, and

893
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: then going into the summer so I didn't play to

894
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: my software. You're organized basketball? How did you get in?

895
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: The college? Radar kept growing, kept getting more bounty. I

896
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: would start. I started going to the camps and then

897
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: I played AU but I didn't really play major AU.

898
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: But I murdered those camps, you know, the the West

899
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: Coast camp, you know, and I'm and I'm murdered. I

900
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: played for rock Fish a little bit, but I murdered.

901
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: And it was like you couldn't deny that. Like Greg

902
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: Hicks ranked me third in California as a center and

903
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: people are like, why are you? Who's the I in Hollins?

904
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: Who is that? Greg was like, just watch, just watch, yeah,

905
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: And why St. Louis coming out? Was it? What? Was

906
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: it all Romar or was it something about St. Louis

907
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: that you loved? There was a combination of boat. It

908
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: was all Romar bro it was two. When Romar bounce,

909
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't even a question like I'm out. That's so funny,

910
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm out. The funny thing is real quick. Not to

911
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: interrupt you, but when Romar left U c l A

912
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: to go be the head coach at Pepperdine the first time,

913
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: all of us were thinking about bouncing over the Pepperdine Yo,

914
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Oh please, I mean the thought went through

915
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: people's minds. I'll just say that I know I was

916
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: dead serious. I was like Malibu the only thing, you know.

917
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: I was just kind of like, you know, dagn't leaving

918
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: u c l A. But but it's like, you know,

919
00:51:54,560 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: I like I can't leave. Yeah yeah, sorry sorry continue

920
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: my brother, Um yeah, Romar when he left for Washington.

921
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: I was supposed to go to Washington. And when me

922
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: and Romar first talk, he said, if you go to

923
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: any school, who would it be at the U c

924
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: l A. By that time, I didn't like U c

925
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: l A. You know, you still, they just had to

926
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: make sense for me. Dude. I was off them, super

927
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: chip on my shoulder, super chip like they don't rock

928
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: with me. I don't rock with them. So you was

929
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: that you was on that so you were the rolling

930
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: with laugh at first. No, he didn't recruit me. He

931
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: looked past me. Gerald Mackins sat there and looked past me.

932
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: Gerald Mackins had to like get me some like Tracy

933
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: mcgrady's shoes. Bro, he had to order some shoes and

934
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: give me some shoes. Who did to make up for it?

935
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: Because I told him straight off, this is dug. You

936
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: can't bro. Remember I was on one. I was like,

937
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: you overlooked me first my song. Oh I saw you.

938
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: You came to my game and overlooked me, didn't say

939
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: nothing to me. Oh wow, I forgot your Yeah, I

940
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: didn't know the etiquette, Bro, I didn't know the etiquette.

941
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: And then um, I said, look, I planned on being

942
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 1: a professional, and this is my choice. In every center

943
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: that went through U c l A made it to

944
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: the pros. I know I'm not there, guy. I know

945
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: they don't know me, they don't know anything about me.

946
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 1: So I came up with a super tip on my

947
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: shoulder and I said that if I can start here,

948
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: the NBA is meant to be. But Mike Fay was

949
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: supposed to be the four year starter there, not Ryan Hollins.

950
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: So when I came, I came about that business. Boss

951
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: you had to see me and probably the first person

952
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: that kind of really gave me my roses. It was like, hey,

953
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: hey he's different. M J. Pops came through. We were

954
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: playing pick up pick up ball, Okay, pull me decide.

955
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: I swear to God, Bro, I want to swear to

956
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: God over something my new like something simple like that.

957
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: Not liking that, but like Pops was like, you're gonna

958
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: be a tenure NBA veteran damn time in the NBA.

959
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: Nobody knew you had Evan Burns, Jason Campono, Ray Young

960
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,919
Speaker 1: with the grown man Calves, had all these guys in there,

961
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 1: Michael Faye. Michael Faye was like all American at the time. Yeah,

962
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: Ryan Hollins, you're gonna play him plus years in the NBA,

963
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: and I've been I've been at Johnson ever since. J

964
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: M J always has that unique ability as far as

965
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 1: that basketball stuff that spotted out, especially he sees something

966
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: about it. He's passed that along to us as well,

967
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: and we man, when you're the way you played, they

968
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: just you affected the game in a lot of ways

969
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: without scoring, and I just I mean, for me, it

970
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: was just, you know, it was a no brainer. It

971
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 1: was a no brainer. I wish the one regret that

972
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: I think I had for you at U c l

973
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: A Was was when they sort of stunted your development

974
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: a little bit as far as the things that you

975
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: were capable of doing, because I definitely saw I remember,

976
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 1: I think that year on your laugh you're doing some stuff.

977
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember did you take off did you

978
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: have a crazy dunk that year from the thing, dude,

979
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: you had one dunk. But it was one dunk that

980
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: was just crazy. I can't remember, but I was just

981
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: somewhere watching. I think I was at a bar. I

982
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: was just like, he came through. You had you had

983
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: the long brains, and I was like, damn. I was

984
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: like all I think I text somebody was like all

985
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: this man, oh man, that's crazy. Yeah. I was, you know,

986
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 1: like you said, I was. I never I knew there

987
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: was so much more for me because I knew I

988
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: wasn't being taught the right things. And I just knew

989
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: if somebody gave in media the opportunity, if I could

990
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: just creak through that door, I knew I had to

991
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: do it on hustle because I was like, if y'all

992
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 1: mess around and let me get this skill part, it's around, bro,

993
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: it's around. I just knew there was more for me.

994
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: I was like, this is not it. I haven't even

995
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: become me. You know, you have it, and what I

996
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: what I love about it. You took that same sort

997
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: of attitude and you attack the world of sports media

998
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: and sports broadcasting in a similar fashion. I watched your

999
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: ascent and your rise, and you know, watching your ESPN

1000
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: and just just watching you just go about it and

1001
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: never turning down a job or an opportunity. At one point,

1002
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: you seem to be one of the hardest working men.

1003
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: And all the sports media you're on every day two

1004
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: and three times. I mean I remember all that, so

1005
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect for your grind brother

1006
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: is is not only as as a basketball player, but

1007
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: in the afterlife, you know, the after basketball, You're You're

1008
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,760
Speaker 1: an excellent example. I love when you post your stuff

1009
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: if you're working out still and just how how you're

1010
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: keeping yourself together. Uh in shape, duncan still live still?

1011
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: You know? I saw you was in the Big Three?

1012
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: Wait whit did you play? I wanted to talk about

1013
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: that the Big Three? Wait, wait do you still? Like?

1014
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: What is it about the Big Three that made you

1015
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: want to go and play it? I love the game, bro,

1016
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: Like I love the game. And then I'm like, we

1017
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: don't got to go overseas and I can still do broadcasting,

1018
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: like I love. I always thought they'd have to drag

1019
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: me off the court with an injury. Yeah, Like I

1020
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: always thought that my career was gonna like Alonzo Morning,

1021
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: Like it was gonna have to be it, Like I

1022
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: just can't. I always envisioned that, and when I went

1023
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: to Spain, I experienced in nationalism, which Trump's racism, and

1024
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't be a part of this.

1025
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: So only two of US Americans can be on the

1026
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: court at the same time. No matter how well I play,

1027
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna set me out the game. I'm not gonna

1028
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: get a chance to rock. Policeman pulled me over for

1029
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: no reason, was like, where's your passport? I was like,

1030
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: I work here, Like where's your passport. I was like, Bro,

1031
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: I lived down the street. Where's your passport? I said.

1032
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: My father raised me to have much more pride than that.

1033
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: So when I went into broadcasting, I knew I ended

1034
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: my basketball career premature, but I said, I ain't going

1035
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: back overseas. I ain't sending my family over there. I

1036
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: ain't doing that. We're not gonna have a ten year

1037
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: overseas career. I'm gonna work my gosh darn tailaw to

1038
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: make broadcasting work. I don't have an option. M I

1039
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: don't have an option. There's no this is gonna pop big, bro,

1040
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: you don't understand. This is gonna pop off no matter what.

1041
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: And what I didn't know. I was starving to find out.

1042
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: I asked a million questions. I used to go to

1043
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: the first take. I used to sit in the control

1044
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: room the first take and watch the show. So what

1045
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,439
Speaker 1: what makes this show good? What is he saying? What's

1046
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: he not saying? What? What? What do you want to

1047
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: see on the show? What's the idea of the show?

1048
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: They said, the producers, What do you guys want for me?

1049
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: I used to write essays. I used to write and

1050
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: sending stuff to give my notes together, so they knew

1051
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: I was prepared, so I could send my knowledge. What

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Speaker 1: is the editing? Like my social media? I start running

1053
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: on my social media because I realized that dang I

1054
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Speaker 1: was a weak clip. So I understood I need to

1055
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: come off with some good from my social media. Like Dan,

1056
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: you were laying right there. Your biggest judgment yourself. Now

1057
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: try to post your content and make your content pop off.

1058
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: Then you'll find out that you ain't really doing what

1059
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: she's supposed to be doing. How you entertained. I got

1060
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: five seconds to grab your attention before you tune off.

1061
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: I gotta grab you in five seconds. Then I gotta

1062
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Speaker 1: be interesting, Then I gotta I gotta make you feel

1063
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: some type of way. If you hear me talk and

1064
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Speaker 1: you didn't feel some type of way love joy, happy piece.

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Speaker 1: We come back to watch our favorite media personality of

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Speaker 1: the emotions. I hate um, I love him. Damn. He

1067
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Speaker 1: couldn't be more right, he couldn't be more I had

1068
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Speaker 1: to figure that out. I didn't have I didn't have

1069
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Speaker 1: an option a J. I wasn't going back overseas. Let's

1070
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Speaker 1: say no, man, when you're backs against the wall, you

1071
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: sometimes we find out a lot about ourselves, you know,

1072
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: when we really have when we really have to step

1073
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: up and you know the metal the true measure of

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01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: a man is tested. My brother, Uh, we've been on

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01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: this thing for a minute. Man, it's about time that

1076
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: we got you all. I know that I was supposed

1077
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: to have you all last year, but uh, you know,

1078
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: unfortunately did work out. But I'm glad you made some

1079
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: time for me and my brother to come on man

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01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: and chop it up with me. I appreciate a big

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Speaker 1: bro anytime. You know that, man, Man, ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: Ryan Hollins