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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, A production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welget everything, So don't don't subbitches. It's Katie kicking it off.

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Speaker 1: I'll start again. That was no, no, nope, nope, nope.

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Speaker 1: That's it. It's Katie saying, subbitches, the worst year ever,

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Speaker 1: the podcast where we're all deeply ashamed of Katie. That's correct.

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Speaker 1: And I can't talk about the election. You let me

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Speaker 1: do this every week, disgust I can you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm disgusted by? Is virtually all of the candidates in

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Speaker 1: this election. Yeah, that the partial exception of the one

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Speaker 1: we're talking about today. I was about to say, is

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Speaker 1: that the partial exception. Yeah, it's good to remember that

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Speaker 1: they are all, indeed politicians, even the ones. Yeah, they're

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Speaker 1: all politicians. Yeah, they're all It's it's like remembering that

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter had people extra judicially murdered and supported the

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Speaker 1: violent crackdown on, for example, pro democracy protesters in Korea,

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Speaker 1: because they're all politicians. Are all politicians and just inherently

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Speaker 1: the to be called to be president. There's something deeply

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Speaker 1: wrong with you to fight for that hard, to want

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Speaker 1: to be the most powerful person in the world to

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Speaker 1: be in charge of people's lives, who lives and who dies,

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Speaker 1: drone strikes, all of it. There, there is something different

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Speaker 1: about you, and that is just good to keep in mind.

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Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, we've all been in relationships. You've all

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Speaker 1: we've all had those like fights with your your partner

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Speaker 1: that happened like out in a public place when you

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Speaker 1: don't really want to, but like it happens there and

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Speaker 1: then it's going on. If someone were to walk up

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Speaker 1: to you both while you're having like one of those

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Speaker 1: heated moments and be like, I think I know how

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Speaker 1: to fix this this little you would be like, what

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Speaker 1: a fucking asshole. And that's a person who wants to

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Speaker 1: be the president. That's all of them. They're all doing

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Speaker 1: that to the whole country. Like, I really do not

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Speaker 1: need your plan for this, Elizabeth. No, no, I don't

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Speaker 1: need you here. You are not helpful. But who is

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Speaker 1: it we're talking about today? Guys, you're talking about Pete.

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Speaker 1: Pete again. We're we're doing a Revampipete, but this time

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Speaker 1: we're imagining how his life would be different if his

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Speaker 1: first name had been Alex. Spoilers. It's shocking how little

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Speaker 1: changes wildly. Um, No, we're we're talking about Bernard Sanders,

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Speaker 1: who is uh, definitely like my front favorite candidate. I

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Speaker 1: think Cody's favorite candidate, Katie, he's not He's not quite

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Speaker 1: number one for you? Or is is that changed? Everything changes?

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Speaker 1: Everything changes? Um, you know, I I'm I'm watching stuff.

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Speaker 1: He's up there. It's him and Elizabeth Barren. For me,

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Speaker 1: I really do like him and I love Elizabeth. I

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Speaker 1: know there's a lot we'll get to Elizabeth. There's some

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Speaker 1: questions about what her medicare for all plan actually is

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But scheme, Yeah, in the grand scheme

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Speaker 1: of like the way the elections would work, we'd all

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Speaker 1: if Bernie Sanders wound up being the president this time

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Speaker 1: next year, we'd all be like, oh good, be very happy. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm completely comfortable with that adventual out. Yeah. That that said,

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Speaker 1: we'll we'll be getting into there's plenty of there's plenty

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Speaker 1: of darker chapters in the Bernie Sanders saga, and we'll

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Speaker 1: be doing that like we've done with everybody else. There's

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Speaker 1: no there's no crazy surf cult. Um, so it's not

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Speaker 1: going to be that episode. But for Bernie. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: that would be if it turned out he and Tulci

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Speaker 1: Gabbard were in the same Hawaiian hinduce surf cult, that

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Speaker 1: would be it would be devastating, that would be amazing.

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Speaker 1: I would be so on board with that, just like it. Yes,

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Speaker 1: let's do it. Okay, Now I'm on board. Well, okay,

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Speaker 1: Well let's talk about double standards then, Robert. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: if one candidates part of a weird surf cult, uh,

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Speaker 1: it's just off putting. But if two candidates are in

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Speaker 1: the same surf cult, suddenly I'm on board this new

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Speaker 1: this new wind taking American politics. And if three candidates

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Speaker 1: in a weird surf cult all decided to jump off

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Speaker 1: a bridge, as Joe Biden just joints too. He's like, well,

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Speaker 1: it seems like the way to go. That's called you

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Speaker 1: can get everyone to join that cult. It's called Lemur ship.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Lemurs. You know follows. I didn't get thumbs

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Speaker 1: up Lemmings ding it. That's called leming Ship. Cool. We

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Speaker 1: should talk about Bernie Sanders. We should talk about Bernie Sanders.

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Speaker 1: Bernard Montgomery Sanders. His middle name is not Montgomery. Sound good,

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Speaker 1: it's not. But I like the way it sounds. I

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Speaker 1: think you're going to pretend that's his middle name. I

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Speaker 1: think it's Bernard. I think it's Bernard Sanders. Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: the like the flavor, Yeah, marmalade. Anyway. Bernard Sanders was

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Speaker 1: born in September eighth, ninety one, just a matter of

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Speaker 1: The money was not good, and Bernie's mother did not

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Speaker 1: Uh So, young Bernard grew up poor and deeply conscious

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Speaker 1: of conversation with the Nazis. Said, you know, killed the

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Speaker 1: rest of the family. Um, which is the kind of

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Speaker 1: young Bernie grew up poor and really uh yeah, he

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Speaker 1: so it's a tough childhood all around. Now. Larry was

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Speaker 1: some of his earliest political ideas. When Bernie was a

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Speaker 1: young teen, Larry took him to meetings of the local

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Speaker 1: defining reality of Bernard's childhood. In order to cope with

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Speaker 1: his father's low income, his mother, Dorothy, had to brutally

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Speaker 1: manage the family budget. Bernie would get in trouble if

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Speaker 1: slightly higher prices. Every single article you read about Bernie's

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Speaker 1: early life will mention often repeatedly that many of his

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Speaker 1: early memory earliest memories are of his parents fighting over money.

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Speaker 1: The Sanders family lived paycheck to paycheck, and economic anxiety

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Speaker 1: told one interviewer quote, there were arguments and more arguments

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Speaker 1: is one of the things I identify with most about Bernie,

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Speaker 1: mean it is if you think about it, describing that

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren, I think Elizabeth candidate, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I

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Speaker 1: lot of the politicians who have like grown up poor

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Speaker 1: So um back to Bernie Um. The neighborhood he grew

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Speaker 1: It's a it's part of the mystique, the Bernie mistake. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: now no middle name, and where those orphans come from? Where?

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Speaker 1: not make Bernie a deadbeat dad. It means that, I

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Speaker 1: would say, that's a stretch. Means there I could see

425
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: Bernie being an absent minded dad. I could see Bernie

426
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: being really cerebral. I could see him being difficult as

427
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: a dad. I suspect he was not somebody that forgets

428
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 1: you know, I mean child Anyway, it builds itself as

429
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 1: a progressive and liberal democratic source on the web, but

430
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: seems to mostly focus on smearing Bernie Sanders and to

431
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: a lesser extent, attacking Elizabeth Warren and the editor in

432
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 1: chief seems to have deep ties to the healthcare industry.

433
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: So I think that's all we need to know about

434
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 1: that time, Every single time, that was good. I'm also

435
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: in researching this is trying to find like give me

436
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: the give me the good stuff. Yeah, um, and almost

437
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: everything is just a version of what you just described. Yeah, No,

438
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 1: there is there is some actual dirty, dirty dirt that

439
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: we will be talking about dirt. Uh No, but that

440
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: it's hard to do because literal dirt. Yeah, it was

441
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: just dirt. Um. But you know this is this is

442
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: something that some people will attack him on. And whether

443
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: or not you think, I will note that this is

444
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,959
Speaker 1: basically the attack that growing up, all conservatives had for

445
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: all socialists is that they were all exactly like Bernie Sanders, Uh,

446
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: living in sin, out of wedlock with their their the

447
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: mother of their child, and uh, it's subsisting on welfare

448
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: and stealing power. Um. So he is absolutely that guy.

449
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 1: Do have to know that, Yeah he was. He was

450
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 1: a hundred percent that guy. Um. But that is also

451
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: why a lot of people love him. Um. And whether

452
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: or not you do depends on your your views on

453
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. But you know what you should

454
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 1: love regardless of your views, products and services. The products

455
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: and services that every we can all socialist, capitalist, communist, Marxist,

456
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: khmar rouge, we can all agree that products and services

457
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: are a necessary part of society. I can't live without him,

458
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: if I'm remembering. They were big fans of advertising. So

459
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: smile a thought to pol pot and listen to these

460
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: ads together everything. But yeah, we're back. We're back talking

461
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: about Bernie Sanders. Tell us the next exciting chapter, Robert.

462
00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: Let's uh yeah, so you know, uh, Bernie, Bernie is

463
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: clearly a guy who's willing to sacrifice personal comfort in

464
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: the comfort of his family for the sake of of

465
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: pushing forward on his political ideals. That's that's the kind

466
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: of guy he is at this period. Um. Now, from

467
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: the beginning, he described himself as a nineteen thirties radical,

468
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,479
Speaker 1: not a nineteen sixties radical. Um. The hippie era kind

469
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: of passed him by. He was never the kind of

470
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: like free love, peacenick sort of guy. He was always

471
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 1: kind of an old style, labor loving, rabble rousing socialist. Um.

472
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: He was the kind of guy who in nineteen twenties

473
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: would have gotten into gunfights with mine owners. Um. That's

474
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: the that's the sort of sort of fella Papa Bernie is. Um. Now.

475
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: His speeches from this time are incredibly consistent with things

476
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: he says today. Uh. And in fact, I don't think

477
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: you'll notice any difference in anything he's say, Like this

478
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: could all come from twenty nineteen. But I'm gonna read

479
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: you a quote from the Bennington Banner in nineteen seventy one,

480
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: this is what he told them in America today, if

481
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: we wanted to, we could wipe out economic hardship almost overnight.

482
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: We get a free medical care, excellent schools, and decent

483
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: housing are all. The problem is that the great wealth

484
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: and potential of this country rests with a handful of people. Yeah. Interesting, interesting,

485
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: interesting point. Yeah. Yeah, And so he's been he's been

486
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: on the exact same line for the entirety of his career,

487
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: and I think, yeah, that's something I guess we all

488
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: know that, and then preparing for this yeah, yeah, but

489
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: it is certainly something to admire about him, I think personally. Yeah.

490
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: Even there, their ads take advantage of it a lot too,

491
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: where you basically, uh, take a speech from the eighties

492
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: that he's given at a speech from two years ago,

493
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: and they splice it together basically, and you can't tell

494
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: because again, he's looked exactly the same exactly. But one

495
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: interesting thing is that, while it's true he's been talking

496
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: about a lot of the same things, if you actually

497
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: look into his record, and again this is coming up later,

498
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: there's some ship that he did and that he does

499
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: that is very inconsistent with the image cheaper trace, which

500
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: is one of the things will be we'll be talking

501
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: about a little later. So that is that is an

502
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: interesting thing to keep in mind right now. For years,

503
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: Bernie ran unsuccessful campaigns and barely managed to make a

504
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: living through a combination of welfare and freelance writing. His

505
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: main employer was the Vermont Freeman, an all weekly paper

506
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: in Burlington. One of the articles he wrote for this

507
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: little uh was effectively a zine, wound up biting him

508
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: in the ask come the two thousand and sixteen election.

509
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: It was called Man and Woman. And I'm going to

510
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: read the entirety of this column. Oh, I was going

511
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: to try to do it in my best Bernie Sanders voice,

512
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: but I don't have a Bernie Sanders voice. No, I

513
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: don't worry about it, So I don't think I'm going

514
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: to try. But I'm going to read this. Can you

515
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: just try it? Like, just like the opening, a man

516
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: goes home and masturbates in his typical fantasy. A woman

517
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: on her niece, a woman tied up, a woman abused.

518
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: See that's a terrible Bernie saying. But there's a lot

519
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: going on here with what you're actually saying a woman

520
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: in with her man, Katie, a woman enjoys intercourse with

521
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: her man as she fantasizes about being right. Yeah, rape

522
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: by three men simultaneously. That's the line that you run

523
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: into a lot. This man and woman get dressed up

524
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: on Sunday and go to church or maybe to their

525
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: revolutionary political meeting. How if you are looked at the

526
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: stag man hero tough magazines on the shelf of your

527
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: local bookstore, do you know why the newspapers with the

528
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: articles like girl twelve raped by fourteen men sell so well?

529
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: To what in us are they appealing? Women for their

530
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: own preservation are trying to pull themselves together, and it's

531
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: necessary for all of humanity that they do so. Slavishness

532
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: on one hand breeds pigness on the other hand, pigness

533
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: on one hand breeds slavishness on the other. Men and

534
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: women both are losers. Women adapt themselves to fill the

535
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: needs of men, and men adapt themselves to fill the

536
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: needs of women. In the beginning, there were strong men

537
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: who killed the animals and brought home the food, and

538
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: the dependent women who cooked it. No more, only the

539
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: roles remain waiting to be shaken off. There are no

540
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: human oppressors. Oppressors have lost their humanity on one hand,

541
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: slavishness on the other hand, pigness six of one, half

542
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: a dozen of the other. Who wins? Many women seem

543
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: to be walking a tight rope now. Their qualities of love, openness,

544
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: and gentleness were too deeply in messed with the qualities

545
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: of dependencies, subservience, and masochism. How do you love without

546
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: being dependent? How do you be gentle without being subservient?

547
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: How do you maintain a relationship without giving up your

548
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: identity without getting strung out? How do you reach out

549
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: and give your heart to your lover but maintain the

550
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: soul which is you? And men? Men are in pain too.

551
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,719
Speaker 1: They are thinking, wondering what is it they want from

552
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: a woman? Are they at fault? Are they perpetrating this

553
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: man woman's situation? Are they oppressors? The man is better.

554
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: You lied to me, he said, she did in parentheses.

555
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: You said that you loved me, that you wanted me,

556
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: that you needed me. These those are your words, they

557
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: are but as reality. In reality, he said, if you

558
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: ever loved me, or wanted me, or needed me, all

559
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: of which I'm not certain, was ever true, you also

560
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: hated me. You hated me just as you have hated

561
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: every man in your entire life. But you didn't have

562
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: the guts to tell me that you hated me before

563
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: you ever saw me, even though I was not your father,

564
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: or your teacher, or your sex friend when you were

565
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: thirteen years old, or your husband. You hated me not

566
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: because of who I am or what I was to you,

567
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: but because I am a man. He did not deal

568
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: with me as a person as me. You lived a

569
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: lie with me, used me and play games with me,

570
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: and that's a piggy thing to do. And she said,

571
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: you wanted me not as a woman or a lover

572
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: or a friend, but as a submissive woman or a

573
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: submissive friend or submissive lover. And right now where I

574
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: head is, uh, right now where my head is, I

575
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: balk it even the slightest suspicion of that kind of demand.

576
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: And he said, you're full of shit. They never again

577
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: made love together, which they had each like to do

578
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: more than anything, or never saw each other ever even

579
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: one more time. And that's the end of the column.

580
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: There's a lot to unpact. There's a lot going on there.

581
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: I think Bernie was having some real problems with his

582
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: relationships at that point, and I think he got paid

583
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: like five dollars to write a column about it. I

584
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: say he's not the best writer, like I said, he's

585
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: he was bad at carpentery and he was not very

586
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: good at right like oh man, Yeah, he definitely was

587
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: had some frustrating relationships ship going on. Yeah, he was

588
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: having trouble. They're kind of grateful they didn't have the

589
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: Internet and some big some big ideas that are worth exploring,

590
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: but then kind of lost the thread. There's definitely some

591
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: aspects worth exploring in there, and some aspects that are

592
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: just like, Bernie, Man, you need to talk about this

593
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: with your girlfriend. This is this is clearly a y'all

594
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: sort of thing. It's very intense, and I can see

595
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: why he'd have trouble and relationships. I don't know. Yeah,

596
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: and yeah, I think the not being great writer aspects exacerbated, Yeah,

597
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: contributes to just being like you're I think you might

598
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: have a point, but I don't think you're doing it. Buddy.

599
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: Well then you lost the point. Yeah, exactly, your your

600
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: sex your third sex friend when you're thirteen years old?

601
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: How old were you? Bernie? So yeah, you know, there's

602
00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: like yeah, like yeah, there's there's a couple of elements

603
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: of this that are like you can identify this, and

604
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: there's some that like, Bernie, you're talking about some real

605
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: specific stuff for an all weekly that you wrote. This

606
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: seems like an individual person that you're arguing with through

607
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: the pages of this newspaper. Yeah, every quote just like,

608
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: who said that, Bernie? You know, uh, it's a bad article. Um.

609
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: How when it when it came back up, I think

610
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: mother Jones is the one who published it, and it was,

611
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, briefly a big story. And Bernie's apology for it,

612
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: he basically said it was a dumb article then and

613
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: it's a dumb article now, which is yeah, that's about

614
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: where No. Um, obviously, I don't think that should change

615
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: anyone's opinion opinion about whether or not to vote for him.

616
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: A shitty article he wrote when he was thirty. Um,

617
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: but it is definitely a dumb article, and it's a

618
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: delight to share. It's a delight to share. Really. I

619
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 1: wish I had a good Bernie Sanders accent, but I don't.

620
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: I do feel like I would have really detracted from

621
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: what was actually being said. Yeah, we needed you. I'm

622
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 1: pleased that you give it a shot. But I briefly

623
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: considered reading it as Sean Connery. But there's some unfortunate implications.

624
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: That's for a live show. Sometimes there were there were

625
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: moments in that where I'm like Sean Connery would say that. Yeah,

626
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: there were some moments there were. I think Sean Connery

627
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: has shouted that to multiple women. Yeah, I think we

628
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: should get Sean Connery to read it some day. Anyway,

629
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 1: Please continue to get him on the pod. Yes, let's

630
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: see what Sean Connery thinks about Pete Bud. No, let's

631
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: not so if he's not, Yes, we're going to do

632
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: it now she's shaking her head. Yes, Okay, back to

633
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: Bernie now. In nineteen seventy four, Bernie wrote an article

634
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: for The Bennington Banner advocating the removal of time limitations

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Speaker 1: for unemployment benefits. He'd been on unemployment for several months

636
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Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy one, where they're not you consider this

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00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: all a bad thing? Is you know, depends on your

638
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: political perspective. But he definitely advocated for looser restrictions on

639
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: welfare as a result of his experience living on welfare.

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Speaker 1: UM Now. By nineteen seventy one, Bernie's political career was

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00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: out of gas. He'd spent his entire adultful adult life

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00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: broke as fun, and he had very little a show

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Speaker 1: for it. So he quit the Liberty Union and started

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00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: his own business, making cheap short films about Vermont and

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00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: New England, focusing on issues that he felt were ignored

646
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: by the schools. He called it the American People's History Society.

647
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 1: He advertised for his nonprofit via pamphlet. His biggest project

648
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: was a thirty minute color documentary about Eugene Deb's, an

649
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: American socialist who ran for president from prison. He's a

650
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: pretty cool dude, actually, um and clearly like Bernie's political hero. Um. Now.

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00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: For three years, Bernie tried to make this new venture work.

652
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: He considered himself out of politics, but then in nineteen

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00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: eighty his friend Richard Sugarman, a college professor, showed him

654
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: a breakdown of the vote tallies from his past election.

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00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 1: He pointed out that while bernie statewide numbers were crap,

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00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,479
Speaker 1: he'd done really well in the city of Burlington. Maybe

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00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: he should just run from mayor or perhaps president of

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00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 1: the coat factory. Um no, no, just coats. Nothing else.

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00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: Whatever else they tell you is a lie. Now. Uh,

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00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: Bernie decided to run from mayor uh any won by

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Speaker 1: ten votes in March of lass and overnight, Yeah classic Bernie.

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Speaker 1: I hope it happens again, but by ten million, because

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Speaker 1: if it's just by ten votes, that might provoke horrible,

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Speaker 1: unspeakable violence. Um so he Yeah, he won by ten

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Speaker 1: votes in March of nine one, and overnight Bernie became

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Speaker 1: a national news story. The same year Ronald Reagan had

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00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: taken office. Uh. And so it was kind of a

668
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: big deal that in that same year and avowed socialist

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00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 1: had won an election in Vermont. Rolling Stone called him

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00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: the Red Mayor in the Green Mountains, which is sounds

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00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: like a Ralph box sheet movie. Um. But yeah, Bernie

672
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: made news all over the country. Yeah it does. I

673
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: think they were being positive. It was Rolling Stone in

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00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: the eighties. So yeah, Um, Bernie made news all over

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00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: the country. He made it into Dunesbury. Uh. He also

676
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: started making a real salary for the first time in

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Speaker 1: his life, thirty three thousand, eight hundred dollars a year.

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Speaker 1: Um so, no more dirt floors for Bernie. Regulations Bernie. Yeah,

679
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: he's stealing power from the nice buildings now Now. Bernie

680
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: would go on to win several more elections in the

681
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Speaker 1: mayor of Burlington finally married the woman who was still

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00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: his wife today, Jane Sanders. Their honeymoon, appropriately enough, was

683
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Speaker 1: a trip to the United to the Union of Soviet

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00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: Socialist Republics Romantics. Yeah, I I take all of my

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00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: my first dates to the U S s R. Which

686
00:38:54,840 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: requires that time machine, which requires time machine noises. I mean, yep,

687
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: that's the one. Goddamn, that's the one. Those are this

688
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: time machine noises that keep me single for it's time

689
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: to stop. Van Anderson got up and was like, no,

690
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: it was deeply uncomfortable over the Yeah, that one was

691
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Speaker 1: really bad. I blame you, Robert. You brought this on

692
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: to us. You should, you should blame me. But I

693
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: feel like my punishment was hearing Cody make a sound

694
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: that was clearly the sound of an erect penis banging

695
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: around in between somebody's thighs. Just exactly how that sounded. Yeah, yeah,

696
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: which is how a time machine sounds. Yeah. I'm not

697
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: the scientist here. I didn't invent time travel. I'm just

698
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: Doc Brown did, and he's a notorious, perfect, perfectly two

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00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: thumbs down on this whole bit. Yeah, it's it's a

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00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: terrible bit. Uh. Sanders framed the ten day visit to

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Speaker 1: the U s s R as a cultural exchange, observing

702
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: the strengths of both systems and trying to learn from them.

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00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: And he also criticized, Yeah, it's honeymoon to the USSR

704
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 1: to learn about politics. He's not a not a classic romantic.

705
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: I just don't know why his relationships don't work. Yeah. Now,

706
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: he criticized his own country while he was on foreign

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Speaker 1: soil with his nation's biggest enemy, which piste off a

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Speaker 1: lot of people. I'm gonna quote now from a Washington

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Speaker 1: Post article on the trip. As he stood on Soviet soil, Sanders,

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00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 1: then forty six years old, criticized the cost of housing

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00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,959
Speaker 1: and healthcare in the United States, while lauding the lower

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Speaker 1: prices but not the quality of that available in the

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Speaker 1: Soviet Union. Then, at a banquet attended by about a

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Speaker 1: hundred people, Sanders blasted the way the United States had

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Speaker 1: intervened in other countries, studying one of those who had

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00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 1: accompanied him, I got really upset and walked out, said

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00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: David F. Kelly, who had helped arrange the trip. And

718
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: was the only Republican. And Sanders is entourage. When you

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00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: are a critic of your country, you can say anything

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Speaker 1: you want on home soil. At that point, the Cold

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00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: War wasn't over, the arms race wasn't over, and I

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Speaker 1: just wasn't comfortable with it. So I don't have an

723
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: issue with that. Other people did. Yeah, Um, so Sanders. Um.

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Speaker 1: One of the things people criticized him for is that

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00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: he was kind of like making foreign policy statements in

726
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: in attitude, taking foreign policy attitudes even though he was

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00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: the mayor of Yeah, a city of forty people with

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00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: no connections to the outside world. Most Americans don't know

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00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: Burlington is anything but a coat factory. Um. But he

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Speaker 1: had as mayor of foreign policy because, as Bernie said,

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00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: I saw no magic lines separating local, state, national, and

732
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: international issues. How could issues of war in peace not

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Speaker 1: be a local issue? So that was his justification for that. Um.

734
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: Maybe Vermont was just boring might be a more realistic explanation,

735
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: but either way, the trip had its origins in the

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00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: visit that a Soviet choir had made to Burlington the

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00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: year before. Sanders had taken stage during the performance and said,

738
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: this is the enemy to the crowd. Um. The goal

739
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: of the visit was apparently to find a sister city

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Speaker 1: for Burlington's in the Soviet Union. Um. And yeah, it

741
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: seemed to be a good trip and it would prove

742
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: to be a critical time for Mayor Sanders for a

743
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: number of reasons. Bernie was impressed by the Soviet attention

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00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: to public health care and public housing, but he wasn't

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00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 1: very impressed by the obviously terrible quality of the homes

746
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: themselves and of everything else in the Soviet Union. Um,

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00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't doing great by that point. Yeah, I think

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00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: that's kind of relevant. Like even the article pointed out like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he didn't praise the quality of it. It was Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was not. It would be inaccurate to say that

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00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: he came there and was just like a Diet in

752
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: the wool communist. He's the guys that was like, Oh,

753
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: these guys got some things right that we're not getting right,

754
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: and maybe we could all learn from each other and

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00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: have a make better systems for ourselves. Speaking of the

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Speaker 1: Soviet Union, you know what the Soviet Union loved from

757
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: If there's one thing the Soviet Union loved it was advertising.

758
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: Huge fans of advertising get those private companies advertising enjoy

759
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: a double dose of classic Soviet capitalism together. You're back

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00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: and we're talking about Bernie Sanders in the Soviet People's Paradise. Uh,

761
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 1: where he got naked, uh and drunk and sang Woody

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00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: Gut three songs with a bunch of Soviet oil workers,

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00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: Which sounds like a night I wish i'd been at.

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Speaker 1: I bet that was a fun one. What a romantic honeymoon?

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00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: What what a great honeymoon. You're just there with your

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00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: beloved who can't stop talking about socialism and Woody Guthrie

767
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: and hanging out shirtless with Soviet oil workers. Uh. Yeah,

768
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 1: that's the life she does. She does now, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: quote from the Washington Post again describing this this beautiful moment,

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00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: which is on videotape and you can watch for yourself.

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Speaker 1: On one of the last days of the trip, officials

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Speaker 1: in Yaroslavel took their vermonters to a worker's retreat in

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Speaker 1: an oil refinery for a classic Russian celebration, a trip

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00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: to the sauna and a bath in cold water, wrapping

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00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: themselves in towels and then putting on toga style sheets.

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00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: Sanders and his colleagues gathered around a table lined with

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00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: vodka bottles. A video of the event show Sanders bare

778
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 1: chested listening into light to Russian folk songs. In response,

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00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: Sanders and other Americans sang the Woody gut Thrie ballad

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00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: this land is your land. It would have been a normal,

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00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: boring kind of diplomatic exchange, except we had just come

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Speaker 1: out of the sauna, he said, And I think we

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Speaker 1: were probably naked the sauna. I certainly hadn't brought a

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00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: bathing suit. We were bare chested with towels on. Alan

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00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 1: Reuben and in Turnist it was on the trip recalled

786
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: it similarly, saying, I remember the togas, the vodkas. I

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00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: don't remember anyone not drinking vodka Sanders, he says, was

788
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: his jolly and light. I don't think we see that often.

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00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: He genuinely that way. So that's good after some vodka

790
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: in a sauna. Sure, who wouldn't be that way usually?

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00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 1: But he's approving. I don't. I don't see him naked

792
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: full of vodka. But alright, one day I wish we

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00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: saw him that way more. Inauguration day, fingers crossed. You

794
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: know what, this is my promise of the listeners of

795
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: this podcast. I will be on camera naked and filled

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00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: with vodka if Bernie Sanders gets inaugurated next year, I

797
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: will make that happen. We will build a sauna. So

798
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: keep that in mind when you're voting. Keep that in

799
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: mind when you're voting or not. Just out there. And

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00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 1: if if Pete, if Pete Bottages wins, I will take

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00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: a cringe worthy selfie at the Berlin Holocaust Memorial. You'll

802
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: do the Pete Day. Yeah, I'll do the Pete dance

803
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: on on one of the mark You'll go to You'll

804
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: go to Apple Great Tragedy at night and and sing

805
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: songs from Rent on the Table. Yeah. Either that or

806
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: maybe maybe maybe actually we could all go to Dokau

807
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: and get a video of me dabbing. That'll be good,

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00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: That'll be all right. I want to hear more about

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00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: so Uh. In his job as mayor of Burlington, though

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Speaker 1: Bernie was not always the man would he Guthrie would

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00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: have wanted him to be. When dozens of anti war

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00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: activists marched on the local ge plant, which manufactured gatling

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00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: guns that were being used to suppress socialist movements in

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00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: Central America, Bernie Sanders sided with the union leaders and

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Speaker 1: the plant. According to Jim Condon, a friend of Sanders

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00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: and a Vermont legislator, quote, there were protesters who were

817
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: unhappy that General Electric was manufacturing gatling guns at the plant,

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00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: and so they would lock themselves to the gates and

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00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: engage in civil disobedience, and so the mayor, Bernie finally

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00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: got the cops to go in and arrest the protesters.

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Speaker 1: The g plant was one of the largest providers of

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00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: jobs in the city, so it was economically important that

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00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: the plants stay open and the people who worked there

824
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: went to work. Bernie himself said of this decision, I'm

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00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: not going to throw three thousand people out of their

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00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: jobs at union wages and created oppression. He added in

827
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Speaker 1: another interview, you cannot split the movement and push workers

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Speaker 1: to one side and have peace activists on the other side.

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Speaker 1: You can help you if you put them in jail,

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00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: you can. Yeah, well, it's uh, it's a complicated moment

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Speaker 1: in his history. Um and I found that quote in

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Speaker 1: a Daily Beast article titled Bernie Sanders loves this one

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Speaker 1: trillion dollar war machine. It's about the F thirty five

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Speaker 1: stealth fighter plane, which the program is headquartered in Vermont.

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Speaker 1: And this plane is one of, if not the most

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Speaker 1: famous boondoggles in the history of military spending. Um. It's

837
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: like a trillion dollars. It's it's a it's enough money

838
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: to fix a significant chunk of this nation's infrastructure problems

839
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: over budget UM and will probably never be a useful

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Speaker 1: machine of war when finished. It's it's a disgusting and

841
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: like indefensible waste of resources for the species UM on

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00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: par of any they're stupid thing that's ever been done. Um.

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Speaker 1: And it is also, I should state, a plane that

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Speaker 1: would only be useful in a kind of war that

845
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Speaker 1: would end human civilization. We don't need an F thirty

846
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 1: five to fight the Taliban, but not a lot of

847
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: stealth fighters doing good in that war. But we can

848
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: make them, though, But we can make them. We can

849
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: spend all the money we're not spending on Flint's water

850
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: supply on them. This is a good country. UM. So

851
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: Bernie's a big fan of this plane because it provides

852
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: a lot of jobs in his state. UM and he's

853
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: two twelve reelection campaign, Bernie ran against a Republican who

854
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: was against constructing the F thirty five. Since it was

855
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: a waste of money. Bernie's argument for the F thirty

856
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: five was that this was the plane of record. It

857
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: was going to be used and go somewhere, and it

858
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: had to go somewhere in the US, and so he

859
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: thought it might as well feed money into Vermont. Um.

860
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: So we're not talking about a guy who's uncompromising in

861
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: his ideology. Um, Nor are we talking a guy who's

862
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: quite as consistent as he might want you to believe.

863
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: I think that there's positives and pluses and negatives to this,

864
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah, it is disappointing in some aspects

865
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: because we see him as this hard line, uncompromising person

866
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: and and that's a fear you're thinking, you want your

867
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: president to be able to do, you're going to have

868
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: to compromise. So I guess there is something good about that,

869
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: but also, yeah, it's disappointing to see he's not quite

870
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: the you know, it hasn't isn't always the persons, especially

871
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: with this, particularly like the other that is, uh, did

872
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: you understand about that? And how we do not need

873
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: to make that. But he's a politician and you're playing

874
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: the political game anyway. Speaks a lot to his just

875
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: His approach to pretty much everything is that of like

876
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: framing it, uh in the economic view and being like, well,

877
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to shut down this plant, so I'm

878
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: gonna do this, and it's all. It all sort of

879
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: comes back to the economy and jobs for him, it

880
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: seems anyway. Yeah, Well, because he's um, he's a one

881
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: of the things that like when conservatives get on is

882
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: they they they'll call him a communist or something or

883
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: say that he's for some like like he's he's not.

884
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: He's not in favor of some global workers revolution. He's

885
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,959
Speaker 1: a guy who wants to make the United States work

886
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: and thinks that common sense socialist policies will make the

887
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: United States work, and I think that's better than what

888
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: we have. Um. This is where I run into issues

889
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: with him because I don't think he made the right call.

890
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: I think he probably, like on an objective political level

891
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: in terms of getting reelected and maintaining his born in

892
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: Burlington's Yeah, I'm sure that was the right call, um.

893
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: In terms of morality, I don't think it was the

894
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: right call um, And he's made other calls like that.

895
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: In nineteen he voted against a bill that would have

896
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: prohibited the purchasing of tanks and armored carriers by police. Um,

897
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 1: so he's not always you know. And he said stuff

898
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: like talking about like you need to have a border

899
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: in order to be a nation. Like he's he's a

900
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 1: pro borders guy, and I'm generally not. So he's he's

901
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: not a wild eyed radical. He's a guy who has

902
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: been making a pretty reasonable and middle of the road,

903
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: which should be in a sane country, would be the

904
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: middle of the road sort of statement about the way

905
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 1: things need to change to make our society functional. Um.

906
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: And it's it's wild to me that he's considered such

907
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: a fringe candidate by so many people because he's he's

908
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: really that that's really as much of a sign to

909
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: fucked up politics are as anything. Um, Because he's he's

910
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: not he's not far out in the weeds, like like

911
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: with a che Guavara tattoo on his lower back. Um,

912
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's pretty much just like, Oh, it

913
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 1: would be need if we could take some of these

914
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: things that work about socialism and stick them on our

915
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: capitalism to make it better, because it's fucked up now

916
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: it's just healthcare and housing. And he's okay with those unions,

917
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: making gatling guns to suppress socialist governments in Latin America.

918
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: You know, it's not his preference, but he's not gonna.

919
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: He's not gonna, You're not gonna go to the mat

920
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: against it. Now he's got better on some of that,

921
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 1: you know. Um. So yeah, that's that's that's the kind

922
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: of guy Bernie is. Um. And I should note that,

923
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of this was taking these stances

924
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: was probably not in line with his wishes. I'm sure

925
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: he would have preferred to have shut down that plant too.

926
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: But Burlington, despite its reputation, it's a pretty working class town. Um,

927
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 1: it's not a hippie left wing stronghold, and Bernie faced

928
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: significant opposition after taking office there. According to the Nation Quote,

929
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: in his first two years in office, the city council

930
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: refused to allow Sanders to hire more than a handful

931
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 1: of staff. Well, the intrenched bureaucrats and city hall sought

932
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: to thwart his initiatives. Randy Cammerbeek, the city's planning manager,

933
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: tried to sabotage everything that Bernie proposed. Recalled Michael Monty,

934
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: who worked in that agency. He told us not to

935
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: allow Bernie to have any visible successes. He figured Bernie

936
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: would be out of office after his first turn. After

937
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 1: he was reelected nineteen and voters swept into more progressive

938
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,919
Speaker 1: city council, Sanders gained a stronger foothold in city Hall

939
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: with the support of local Republicans and business leaders. He

940
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: committed created the Community and Economic Development Office, set to

941
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: carry out his vision for more affordable housing, more locally

942
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: owned small businesses, greater community engagement and planning, and job development.

943
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: And this is where we get into something that I

944
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: think is is kind of cool about Bernie. Uh. He

945
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: was very successful in stopping the rise of housing prizes

946
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: and revitalizing the local economy. He used a budget surplus

947
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: to fix up roads downtown, and he partnered with local

948
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: businesses to improve downtown Burlington. When he found out that

949
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: the federal program subsidizing an apartment complex in his city

950
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: had a loophole that allowed landlords to convert the buildings

951
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 1: into luxury condos, which would have forced people out of

952
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: that affordable housing, he responded with rage. His housing aid

953
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 1: later recalled Bernie, pounded his fist on the conference table

954
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: and in his office and told the owners, over my

955
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: dead body, are you going to displace three thirty six

956
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: working families. You are not going to convert north Gate

957
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: into luxury housing. Sanders pushed through a number of sweeping

958
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: reforms and got state funding to purchase and rehab the buildings. Today,

959
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: the North Gate apartments in Burlington are owned by their

960
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: tenants and still provide a forcible, affordable housing for working

961
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: as families. His record as a mayor was, you know,

962
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: not all one sided. Um. But he was reelected again

963
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: and again, and eventually, in two thousands six, he was

964
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: sent by the people of Vermont to the Senate and

965
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 1: there he remains. And that's what I wrote about Bernie

966
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: Sanders from my high school project. That's so good. Thank

967
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: you for Bernie. Mhmm, what do you guys want to

968
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: talk about? Yeah, we were just like making giving you

969
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: to their Look, we're not sure. So you covered a

970
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that I think there's a lot

971
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: of overlap and I love that. Um. You know, I

972
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: was going to talk focus more on his political career, UM,

973
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: and you've certainly touched on this. UM. The first point

974
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to make is looking at his history of

975
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: elections and losses, but perseverance, you know, so he ran

976
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: for governor several times, ran for Senate several times. Uh.

977
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: The only position that he won out of hand without

978
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: you know, having previously lost is air that was by

979
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: a very low margin. Even after he was married. He

980
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: ran for the House of Representatives but lost his first time,

981
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: and then you know, ran again and was elected and

982
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: took office in UM and and and I think that's

983
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: where a lot of us start to know him. You know,

984
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: this was very helpful, all this backstory. UM. But you know,

985
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: immediately once he was in there, he founded the Congressional

986
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: Progressive Caucus, was a consistent opponent of George W. Bush's administration.

987
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: He of course voted against the Iraq War and quickly

988
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: established himself, as you know, being an opposition to tax

989
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: cuts that benefit the wealthy and corporations. He was re

990
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: elected seven times after that, usually by wide margins. Then

991
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six, Sanders ran again for the U. S. Senate,

992
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 1: and this time he easily won. And in sixteen, well,

993
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: I don't need to tell you when I happened in

994
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, but I mentioned this again bringing back to

995
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: that point of UM. I think it's interesting. It speaks

996
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: to his resilience and like the fact that he keeps

997
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: coming back that you know, his his ingrained desire uh

998
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: two to make a difference with people. I think that

999
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: that's the charitable of course, I think he's a politician,

1000
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: but he genuinely cares about improving people's lives. Um. And

1001
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: also speaks to how uh he how he's worked his

1002
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: way through politics, that he's taken time to win people over. Uh.

1003
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: And you can look at it and be like, well,

1004
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: look at all the elections he's lost, but you can

1005
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: also see historically he's run for things and then one

1006
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: after that. So I just I put that out there

1007
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 1: because if you can, you can get elected easier if

1008
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: you compromise more and sort of reframe what you say.

1009
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: But for the most part, he says what he means

1010
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 1: and just has continued to make the case and people

1011
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: have caught onto it. Yeah, such as with Medicare for all.

1012
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: Obviously he is the first person to have been championing

1013
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: this and now it is something that we all talk

1014
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 1: about and uh it's perhaps the most important issue that

1015
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 1: people are voting on. Um. You know. According to his website,

1016
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: his Medicare for All plan would be a national health

1017
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: insurance program to provide everyone in America with comprehensive healthcare

1018
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: coverage with no networks, no premiums, no deductibles, no copays,

1019
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,919
Speaker 1: no surprise bill um. And then everybody's Medicare coverage would

1020
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: be expanded to include dental hearing vision UH, inpatient outpatient services,

1021
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: mental health, substance abuse treatment, reproductive and maternity care, prescription drugs, etcetera. Um.

1022
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: You know. And how will he pay for it? You know,

1023
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: he's made No, he hasn't obfuscated the fact that, yes,

1024
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: taxes will go up, uh for businesses. And Katie, it's

1025
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: not like we have an extra trillion or two dollars

1026
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: sitting around in planes that don't work that could go

1027
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: towards that. Yeah, it's not like that, you know. But

1028
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: the whole argument being that you might spend a bit

1029
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: more in your taxes, but you would otherwise spend that

1030
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: money on premiums. Ultimately you'll be saving money, um. You know.

1031
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: And he also says that his plan will save money

1032
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: by using government collective bargaining to lower prizes of pharmaceutical

1033
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: companies um. And thinks that this would save the government

1034
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: when thirteen billion a year. UM. And you know, so

1035
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: I think that this is probably the strongest Medicare for

1036
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: all plan that we are seeing. That will get into

1037
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: it a bit more, and we talk about Elizabeth Warren Um.

1038
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: He also has his his wealth tax plan, you know,

1039
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: at tax on those with a net worth of over

1040
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: thirty two million, so the top zero point one percent

1041
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: of households. Uh, they would have a progressive tax rate.

1042
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,919
Speaker 1: And this progressive tax rate would be a one percent

1043
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: tax on households of two adults with over thirty two million,

1044
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: meaning that they would pay about five thousand dollars in

1045
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: a wealth tax, which honestly isn't that much when you're

1046
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: making that much money after right, it's after you make

1047
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: the initiative, and then that goes up with each subsequential

1048
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: bracket that you get into, so it goes up to

1049
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: two for people that earn fifty two d and fifty

1050
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: million dollars a year, you know. And then it would

1051
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: um be different if it's a single household. And Bernie's

1052
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: team claims that would raise about four point three five

1053
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: trillion over the next ten years, um. And what would

1054
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: he want us to use that money for? He would

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00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: like to use it to fund universal childcare, affordable housing

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Speaker 1: plan and some of it would be used to fund

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Speaker 1: Medicare for all as well. This isn't that different from

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren's Wealth Tax Plan um, except that she would

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Speaker 1: be using some of this money to support HBC use UM.

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Speaker 1: But he does have a plan for that as well.

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Speaker 1: I think also it's just the amount and the percentages. Yeah, tally,

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Speaker 1: he's going to be farther. Yeah, I mean, I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying like inherently like at its crux, they aren't drastically

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Speaker 1: to front um. But yes, different rates and all that, um.

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Speaker 1: But he also has you know, free College for Everyone plan,

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Speaker 1: which would eliminate tuition at for year public colleges and universities.

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Speaker 1: And this applies to all prospective students, regardless of economic status, um,

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Speaker 1: and it would cost the government. Is college currently expensive

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01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: because like like with Bernie Sanders, is electricity, I just

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01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: stole books from a Barnes and Noble's really expected that

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Speaker 1: was very affordable. Really, it's really expensive. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that the real way, and I'm just positing

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Speaker 1: this to increase equality an opportunity is through education. So

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Speaker 1: if we really want to fix this, we need to

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Speaker 1: make sure our broken system, we need to make sure

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Speaker 1: that people have access to it. I think that's where

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Speaker 1: he's coming from. But I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: What if what if instead of that, we just provided

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Speaker 1: additional extension cords so that everyone could steal power from

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Speaker 1: the local I think that. Um. I think that his

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01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: his free college for everyone's plan include extension courts. So

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Speaker 1: I think that that's one way. Okay, but so but

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Speaker 1: actually so Pete actually offers tax incentives on extension of

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Speaker 1: courts though. Yeah, but that doesn't count for inflation. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I have a question, do you do you guys know

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Speaker 1: if like any of these plans for education of anything

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Speaker 1: to do with like like medical school and like law

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01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: school and things like that, or is it just on

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Speaker 1: undergrad I believe it's undergrad. Um, I know, not enough

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Speaker 1: of what I've been focusing on undergrad and trade school. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking of my brother who was like three

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars in debt to become an oncologist. Yeah. Um,

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01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: but you know, if you decide so if you decide

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Speaker 1: to get to do nothing greet like on cology trying

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Speaker 1: to hear cancer, you know, is not anybody gets cancer? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're not talking about um, universal health care because people

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Speaker 1: get cancer, all right. No, his plan also in Dud's

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01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: student loan reform, lowering interest rates. Um. But he's also

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Speaker 1: proposed a bill that would cancel current student loan debt.

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Speaker 1: Uh And that would be funded by attacks on Wall Street. UM.

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Speaker 1: And you know, like Warren, he wants to invest one

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Speaker 1: point three billion every year in private, nonprofit historically black

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Speaker 1: colleges and universities and minority minorities serving institutions. UM. And

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Speaker 1: that's all great. You know, we're familiar with a lot

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Speaker 1: of his stances right now. He's you know, on immigration,

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Speaker 1: he's called for the breakup of ICE and CBP and

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01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: wants to reinstate and expand expand DOCCA, dismantled deportation centers,

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Speaker 1: and reunite families, allow more refugees. All of this. He

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Speaker 1: wants to end the prosecution of whistleblowers using the Espion

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Speaker 1: Espionage Act. All of that's great and um. And and

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Speaker 1: let's talk about Israel real quickly, because Bernie uh It

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Speaker 1: is perhaps the most vocal critic of Israel's policy towards

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Speaker 1: Palestine amongst any of the candidates. You know, he's long

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Speaker 1: criticized the US is support of Israel and says that

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Speaker 1: aid to Israel Israel should be contingental on how they

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Speaker 1: treat the Palestinians. Uh. He would also like some US

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Speaker 1: funding to be used as humanitarian aid in Gaza. Just

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Speaker 1: last week, he's speaking at a j Street conference and

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Speaker 1: suggested that the U. S should condition aid to Israel

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Speaker 1: and even give some of that aid to Palestinians. Um.

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Speaker 1: Which makes him not a favorite with Israel. And I

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Speaker 1: guess one of the main criticisms of his stance on

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Speaker 1: Israel is the suggestion that if we send funding to Gaza,

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Speaker 1: then we're also funding Hamas, which is obviously equating the

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Speaker 1: people of Gaza with Hamas. You know, that's a talking

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Speaker 1: point of people like Ben Shapiro and those those lovely

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Speaker 1: human beings. On this is uth Standers says, conflating an

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Speaker 1: effort to address that crisis with support for Hamas is

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Speaker 1: part of an effort to dehumanize Palestinians and continue the conflict,

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Speaker 1: which I agree with. Um. Uh an interesting thing to know, uh,

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Speaker 1: and this comes this is actually our our good friend

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Speaker 1: Katie Golden wrote about this in a script for some

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01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: More News or other show. UM. But that in times

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Speaker 1: of peace support for Hamas actually drops uh. And and

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Speaker 1: that's interesting to just keep in mind that during times

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Speaker 1: of conflict, the Palestinians tend to turn to Hamas for

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Speaker 1: protection because they don't have any other options, which is why,

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Speaker 1: of course it's in everyone's best interest to foster peace

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01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: as an attempt to diminish their sway in the region.

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Speaker 1: If you're in an open air prison and you've got

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Speaker 1: no one to protect you, then what are you gonna do? Right?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it seems very unreasonable that the Palestinians side

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Speaker 1: with a moss during times of conflict, because you know,

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01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: when when, for example, there were those attacks in the

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01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,959
Speaker 1: United States in two thousand one, we did not begin

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01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 1: to irrationally support our military industrial complex in a variety

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01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 1: of overseas adventures well beyond anything that could have been

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01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: construed as a reasonable reaction that didn't happen here. Um,

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Speaker 1: let's talk a bit about some of the stuff that

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Speaker 1: he's received some push back on. Um. One would be guns. Um,

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01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: those of us here have different relationships with guns. Um,

1152
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 1: but for exactly quasi sexual Yeah. But you know, for

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01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: it's pretty well accepted for a liberal h to be

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01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: more anti gun in general pro gun regulation. UM. But

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Speaker 1: Bernie has always expressed a belief in the right to

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Speaker 1: own arms, also a belief in some gun control UM.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen eight he supported an assault rifle ban. In

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Speaker 1: he voted against the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act due

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Speaker 1: to mandatory waiting periods. UM. But for the most part

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Speaker 1: through his political career, h Sanders has believed that most

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01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: gun controlled decisions should be left to the states. Even

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Speaker 1: following the Sandy Hook massacre in he expressed some skepticism

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01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: about whether he would support new measures that Obama was

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Speaker 1: proposing at the time, which included an assault weapons band.

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Speaker 1: He did ultimately vote for it. UM. But you know

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Speaker 1: that comes back to also he catering to his state

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01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: and the people that vote for him, and you know,

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01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: playing the game of being a politician. UM. But his

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Speaker 1: stance has Yeah, go ahead, Robert, Yeah, I mean, just

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Speaker 1: it's just Vermont is I'm not sure if you're aware

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Speaker 1: of this gun by population. So yeah, it's a reasonable move. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I I do understand that. But it just seems like

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Speaker 1: an important thing to bring up because that is something

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01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: that people talk about when they're talking about Bernie Sanders. UM.

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Speaker 1: But It's it's important to note that is a stance

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01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: has evolved a lot since then. Um. Now his gun

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Speaker 1: control platform includes taking on the n r A uh

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Speaker 1: and it's affecting Washington, expanding back around checks, ending the

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Speaker 1: gun show loophole. Uh. You know, banned a stale and

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Speaker 1: distribution of assault weapons, other things too. You guys can

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Speaker 1: check out his website. I'm not going to just read

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Speaker 1: his website to you, but I just make the point

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01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: that he has had some there's been some controversy, some

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01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 1: criticism of him in this issue in the past, and

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01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 1: he has done some evolving. Um. The other thing I

1186
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: wanted to bring up was this pro life pro choice

1187
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 1: controversy that kind of bubbled up. Uh in um, it

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01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: seems worth noting Uheen Sanders campaigned for a Nebraska mayoral candidate,

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Speaker 1: Keith Mellow, who has co sponsored bills restricting abortion rights. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And and that rubbed a lot of people, including myself,

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01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: the wrong way at the time. You know, back then,

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01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 1: people were it was post and people were really upset

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Speaker 1: that he wasn't endorsing other Democratic candidates, uh, which you know,

1194
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: really could have helped them in their races. But he

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01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: did endorse this man of all people um and Sanders

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01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 1: defended his decisions, saying, quote, the truth is that in

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Speaker 1: some conservative states there will be candidates that are popular

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Speaker 1: candidates who may not agree with me on every issue.

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Speaker 1: I understand it. That's what politics about, uh and claims quote,

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Speaker 1: if we were going to protect a woman's right to choose,

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01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we're going to need

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Speaker 1: democratic control over the House and the Senate and the

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01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 1: state governments over this nation. Uh. And we have got

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01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: to appreciate where people come from and do our best

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01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 1: to fight for the pro choice agenda. But I think

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01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 1: you just can't exclude people who disagree with this on

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01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:23,480
Speaker 1: one issue. And I get that sentiment, but I disagree.

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Speaker 1: I think I think that's a line in the sand

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Speaker 1: at this point. For me, I don't think that we

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Speaker 1: can have Democrats in office that aren't pro choice. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean that people have to get abortions, but they have

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Speaker 1: to support that. The Democrats believe in women's reproductive rights.

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Speaker 1: And even the logic behind that is a little off

1214
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: kilter because if you you're saying that you need democratic

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01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: control in order to protect women's rights, but if some

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01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: of those Democrats yeah, and granted this mean as a mayor,

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01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: but in general that really really, uh actually hurt my feelings.

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01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: That's the long way to put it. But like, this

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01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: is somebody that is an advocate in a bulldog and

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01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: fights for people that need need him and and and

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01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: women are obviously obviously this is greatly important. And you

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01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 1: know a lot of pushback on on this and from

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01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: people that are die hard Bernie fans would say, like, look,

1224
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Speaker 1: look to his record, and that's true. He has been

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Speaker 1: really pro women's reproductive rights and it's important to note.

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Speaker 1: But I, um, that bothers me. That really bothered me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's he's not perfect. He Uh. One thing that's interesting

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Speaker 1: to me is we go over all this stuff Katie,

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01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,560
Speaker 1: is that in his background, he's a guy who is

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01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:45,679
Speaker 1: not willing to compromise on the things that are important

1231
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 1: to him to make himself more palatable for election in

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01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 1: the in the first place, like he was pretty strong

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01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: about like like he's he's been pretty consistent about the

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01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: mainlines of his campaign. But once he is in office

1235
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,759
Speaker 1: and once he's sort of like like in in that mode,

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01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: he's been very willing to compromise and uh, compromising fat

1237
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 1: and in some cases on his beliefs and stuff in

1238
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: order to stay in power and in order to kind

1239
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 1: of like further the goals that he has, which is like,

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01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 1: that's um, not necessarily a bad thing. It's kind of

1241
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 1: the people who do that tend to stay in politics

1242
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 1: for a long time rather than getting kicked out again.

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01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 1: It's being a politician. It's being a politician like they

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01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: like they all are. Politician is not a politician. Yeah, Cody,

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Speaker 1: did you have some stuff you wanted to bring up?

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01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 1: Um briefly, Yeah, um, uh you mentioned sort of activism

1247
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 1: during that brief period, UM, And I want to talk

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01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 1: about that a little bit, just because I think it

1249
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: speaks a lot to sort of what we're talking about

1250
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 1: and where he has started and how that is sort

1251
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 1: of always been true for him despite like these various

1252
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: compromise we've talked about, UM, because he hasn't really talked

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01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 1: about his activism a lot. Um. He won't really tell

1254
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 1: these stories. UM. Some surrogates will, but like he's not like,

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01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 1: oh yeah, let me tell you about all these times

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01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: I got arrested. Um. But it was a brief period. UM,

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01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 1: when he lived in Chicago. Um, he was the like

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01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 1: you said chairman of the university chapter of the Congress

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01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 1: for Racial Equality or CORE UM. He eventually merged that

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01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: with the Student Non Violent UH Coordination Committee UH. During

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01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 1: that time, the group became aware of various instances of

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01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:33,640
Speaker 1: housing segregation on campus. So Bernie organized a sit in UM.

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Speaker 1: He gave rousing speech outside, and thirty three students went

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Speaker 1: and did a sit in UM at the university. It

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Speaker 1: was actually apparently the first civil rights sit in the

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Speaker 1: Chicago had ever had. Yeah. UM, it also kind of

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Speaker 1: worked the university. University president George Beatle agreed to make

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Speaker 1: a committee to explore the university's housing policies. Interesting b

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Speaker 1: E A D L E. Sorry, I'm still a Beatle UM,

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Speaker 1: and so he they made that committee. Bernie was on

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Speaker 1: that committee. UM. He also agreed to sort of hear

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Speaker 1: questions and comments from students about this issue. Though it

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01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: became clear as maybe that phrasing pointed to that there

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Speaker 1: would be a committee to explore the university's housing policies. UH,

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01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 1: it didn't really go anywhere. It was it was kind

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01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 1: of lip service, and he was not really open to

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01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 1: hearing anything from the students. So in response to that,

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01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:34,640
Speaker 1: Bernie wrote in the school paper. It was a bit

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01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: of a tongue in cheek piece kind of meant to

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01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 1: rile Beatle up and also get students to submit questions.

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Speaker 1: And I just wanted to read a brief passage from

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Speaker 1: this because I think it points to just kind of

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01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 1: what like a little stinker he's always been, um and

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01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 1: sort of this anti establishment not taking any guff attitude. UM.

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Speaker 1: To some people, it might appear that the university was

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01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: attempting to go back on its word at the present moment. However,

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Speaker 1: we in Core do not publicly hold these thoughts. We

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01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:06,599
Speaker 1: maintain our belief in President Beatles quote sincerity, in Dean

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01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 1: Wicks quote good faith, and in Ray Brown's quote liberalism. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And the whole article reads like that. It's just this

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01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:18,599
Speaker 1: very uh dry, uh, tongue in cheek sort of attack

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Speaker 1: on the administration for not doing what they said they

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01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: would do. UM. And he sort of urges students to

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01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:28,599
Speaker 1: ask a bunch of questions to them. UM. Another story

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01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 1: you won't hear him really tell is when he was

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01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:33,879
Speaker 1: living in Chicago, he just mean the day posting flyers

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Speaker 1: about police brutality because it was something he cared about. UM.

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Speaker 1: And eventually he realized that there were some cops following

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Speaker 1: him and taking the flyers down. So at the end

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01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 1: of the day they sort of like they walked up

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01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 1: to him and said are these yours and handed him

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01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: the pile of flyers that they had taken down while

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01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 1: following him. UM. Very cool. He marshat Washington in n

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01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 1: UM and in a different case of segregation for housing,

1305
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:03,600
Speaker 1: he changed him. This was actually a few days before that,

1306
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 1: that march in Washington. He chained himself to bulldozers and

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01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 1: other protesters to protest that. You'll probably see this photo

1308
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 1: of him being arrested passed around a lot from that. UM.

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01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 1: And those are like the main stories you'll hear because

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01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:21,719
Speaker 1: his actual activism was brief. If you if you consider

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01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: it like that, like the like I'm going to organize

1312
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 1: men do this, We're gonna do with sin, We're gonna

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01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 1: do that. UM. But I think it does speak to

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01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: uh where he comes from and what he has always

1315
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 1: sort of believed in this general idea of equality and justice. UM,

1316
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 1: because he was just this like Jewish kid going to

1317
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 1: all these civil rights marches, like it was kind of

1318
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 1: rare at the time. This is like in the early sixties,

1319
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:50,560
Speaker 1: being that passionate and like willing to again for a

1320
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 1: brief period, but willing to literally literally change change yourself.

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01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:57,560
Speaker 1: There was at the time when this was happening, the

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01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:02,639
Speaker 1: vast majority of white people, particularly white people in his position,

1323
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: didn't take part in the civil rights movement. He did. Well, yeah,

1324
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 1: that's why we're from calling back to the beginning, one

1325
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 1: of the original allies, right, Like he was putting his

1326
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 1: body on the line and whatever you can say about

1327
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: his record, and um, yeah, he should be proud of that,

1328
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 1: and we should be proud of that. Yeah. Um, that

1329
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 1: was that was very rare during that time. Um. Yeah,

1330
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 1: And he sort of carried that that attitude in general,

1331
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 1: I think throughout his career. Um, even when he was

1332
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 1: there's this interesting article from the Daily Beast Mayor Bernie

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01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 1: Sanders created an eighties trans Mecca and Burlington. Um, and

1334
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 1: it's just it's he's always sort of had this about him,

1335
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: even when when he first became mayor of Burlington. Uh.

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01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 1: Anyone writes sexy essays, it's probably a bit more that

1337
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 1: one pretty more open minded than you're. Probably a little

1338
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: more open minded. Um. But even when he was running

1339
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 1: with the Liberty Union Party. Uh. Part of the platform

1340
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 1: was abolishing all laws related to discrimination against homosexuality, which

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01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:16,640
Speaker 1: again very very rare. Forty years ago and when he

1342
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 1: was mayor Burlington, a bunch of gay rights organizers planned

1343
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 1: the first Pride parade there and most of the community

1344
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 1: and other politicians were very, very opposed to it. Bernie

1345
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 1: came out very vocally in favor of it. Um. Herod

1346
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 1: a memo part of that read, in our democratic society

1347
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 1: and a democratic society, it is the responsibility of government

1348
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 1: to safeguard civil liberties and civil rights, especially the freedom

1349
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 1: of speech and expression. In a free society, we must

1350
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 1: all be committed to the mutual respect of each other's lifestyle. Um.

1351
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 1: And he has always sort of had that civil rights

1352
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:52,599
Speaker 1: uh mindset. Yeah. Um. And then two years after the parade,

1353
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 1: he signed a city ordinance that prohibited housing discrimination against

1354
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:01,560
Speaker 1: the gay community. UM. And just sort of generally, this

1355
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:05,639
Speaker 1: is an interesting quote from amber Lam may um about

1356
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 1: just Burlington and Vermont and sort of I guess the

1357
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 1: Sanders effect. Um. From what I understand, Sanders didn't do

1358
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 1: anything specific for the gay community. He just treated them

1359
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 1: like he treated everyone else. He gave opportunities and the

1360
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 1: gay community took him up on them, juxtaposing that with

1361
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 1: this other this other quote from a Lana cleverly not

1362
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 1: saying he didn't do anything, but his actions show that

1363
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 1: he feels that everybody should be treated as equals. Everybody

1364
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 1: should have equal rights, regardless of their situation and regards

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01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,680
Speaker 1: with their gender. He's fought for all of that and

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01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 1: made it way easier for everybody in the community, not

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01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 1: just for trans people, but for everybody. And they talked

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01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 1: about how they were able to walk around uh freely

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01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:46,680
Speaker 1: and free of judgment there and when they go to

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01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 1: other places they don't necessarily feel that. UM. And I

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01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 1: just think it's uh, it's something he's always had. There's

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01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 1: an interesting clip from They're talking about clean water bill

1373
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 1: and uh, a congressman is railing against it, and in

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01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:06,640
Speaker 1: the midst of that, he refers to homos in the military. Um.

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01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 1: And then he talks for like three more minutes, UM.

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01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 1: And then it's Bernie's turn to talk, and he's like,

1377
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 1: I want to bring the gentleman back over here. I

1378
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 1: have a question for him. When you were you just

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01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:17,720
Speaker 1: talked about homers in the military, and he just like

1380
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,719
Speaker 1: ships on him for a while uh and talks about

1381
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:25,959
Speaker 1: how like that's really disrespectful to Americans but also the military,

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01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 1: and he like really pinpoints that, um taking the time

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01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 1: from his time two focus on this one little phrase,

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01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:38,559
Speaker 1: UM and this it's like what sixteen years before, don't ask,

1385
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 1: don't tell end um And Uh, Yeah, I just think

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01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 1: that there are those moments we know we often talk

1387
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 1: on the show about like people evolving their opinions, and

1388
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 1: they've they've grown on this issue and there's certain issues

1389
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 1: like that and like gay marriage and just all the

1390
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 1: stuff we've been talking about that he's always had, UM

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01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 1: and whether or not he continued that activism or whatever

1392
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 1: throughout I think he's always had like the heart of

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01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 1: an activist and organism and a fighter for equality and

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01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 1: civil rights. UM. And I just wanted to sort of

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01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 1: point to that because I love him, your present hate

1396
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 1: whatever else you can say about the guy, and there's

1397
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 1: a lot you can say about the guy. He's always

1398
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 1: treated people like people and that's pretty rare. It's really rare,

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01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,600
Speaker 1: especially like politicians back in the day, and as a

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01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 1: politician and yeah, they're just see sort of issues where

1401
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 1: it's like the right side of history from the very beginning.

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01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 1: There was no evolution necessary for that, and I think

1403
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 1: that speaks to again, I hate him, So I'm not

1404
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 1: gonna no. No, you are a big fan of Tulsi

1405
01:19:57,080 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 1: Gabbard's UH cult leader. Yea, who you are writing in UH? As?

1406
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 1: I can? I would. I would call myself a Tulci Guibert. Yeah,

1407
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 1: you're You're secretly very good at this. I will be

1408
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 1: writing in Theodore Kazinski as I do every year. Obviously

1409
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't, I would. I would think less of you

1410
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 1: if you didn't. Katie. Are you voting for uncle uncle

1411
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 1: Ted too? Yeah? Absolutely excellent? Or with our votes locked down?

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01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 1: All right? Yeah, she could be a good VP for

1413
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 1: Ted only only for Yeah. Yeah, she could put a

1414
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 1: bomb together and mail it to a stranger. I believe that. Sure,

1415
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 1: she's definitely got that in her wheelhouse. Absolutely, she serves

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01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 1: some times in the military, exactly. I think Pete would.

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01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 1: Pete would. There was so many great options, so a

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01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:56,440
Speaker 1: lot of great people to help Uncle Ted with his crusade.

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01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 1: I don't know why we want to always keep winding

1420
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 1: up on it head. We should probably just did our

1421
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders, I'm sorry, nonsense, Roberts. We always talked about. Yeah,

1422
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 1: let's see you were. You were just as culpable as

1423
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 1: I was. And you know it. I never bring him

1424
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 1: up either. I'm I'm a I'm a guy bird. Alright,

1425
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 1: you you it up? Alright, Sovie hates this. It's time

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Speaker 1: for us to wrap things up. Thanks for listening to

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01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 1: our extra long episode, guys, all about Bernie Sanders. You

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01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 1: can check us out online at Worst Year Pod, both

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01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 1: on Instagram and the Twitter, and we've got a store

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Speaker 1: with Birch check out those products and services we talked

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Speaker 1: about earlier. Also, we will not be releasing an episode

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Speaker 1: next week Thanksgiving week, Happy Thanksgiving to those who celebrate it,

1433
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 1: but we will be back the week after with a

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01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 1: new episode on Wednesday, December four. Cool, cool, guys. What

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01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:01,560
Speaker 1: do you got to say for yourself? Of I'm just

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01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 1: get to paraphrase Robert Um no comment. Thanks guys, thanks

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01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: so much, all so much, Robert and Cody, thank you,

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01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. And that's

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Speaker 1: an episode. Thank how you do it? Everything everything so dump,

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