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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: What's Loving crew?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, next hour you stuck with Yeah, Sophia Chain, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: My name is Sugar. Yeah, good afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, from the baddest yeah jew in this room.

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Speaker 5: It's like e yeah and the baddest bitch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you know what I mean.

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Speaker 6: It's fia bad because we both speak French.

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Speaker 1: My name is Boss Billy.

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Speaker 7: If you're wondering who, Yeah, on my grind to be

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Speaker 7: baddest bill in the room.

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Speaker 2: Supreme Subprema roll Call, Suprema Subpremo Roll.

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Speaker 5: My name is Sophia and I'm the baddest pitch in

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Speaker 5: the room. And I think it's really important that you

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Speaker 5: understand it. I'm not allowed to.

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Speaker 1: Curse because.

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Speaker 3: Supreme Wait is this a first for q l S.

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Speaker 3: Were you about to give a dissertation?

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Speaker 5: I was about to curse.

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Speaker 6: I'm allowed to cur Yes.

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Speaker 5: Oh okay, good to know because you.

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Speaker 5: That was beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another exciting episode of Quest

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Speaker 3: Love Supreme.

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Speaker 1: I'm your Emperor, Questlove Emperor. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: With me today is my Supreme team. We have a

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Speaker 3: blue belt expert showgun Sugar Steve.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we got our red.

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Speaker 3: Belt twin tongue sword since he laya over here. And

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Speaker 3: of course the man who runs it all keeps us

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Speaker 3: in line, black belt Boss Bill.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 3: So, for me, a lot of my favorite episodes that

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Speaker 3: we do a Quest Love Supreme and that we conduct,

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Speaker 3: my favorite ones always the behind the scenes episodes in

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Speaker 3: which we kind of poke the pride and dissect the

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Speaker 3: process from the perspective of the person who's usually behind

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Speaker 3: the scenes, you know, the person that keeps the wheels

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Speaker 3: turning behind the scenes, not necessarily in front of the

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Speaker 3: Sophia Chang is definitely a legend in these circles. For

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Speaker 3: the past thirty plus years, she's been near and dear

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Speaker 3: to the soundtracks of our lives, especially that of the

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Speaker 3: Shalloin variety. Her expertise and knowledge was key in the

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Speaker 3: prime days of keeping the Wu Tang caravan, going be

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Speaker 3: it A and R, managing building labels and management Sophia

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Speaker 3: Chang and her legendary Gucci Fedor, which is actually not

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Speaker 3: here today.

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Speaker 5: There, but I have the head.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I was about to say, that's your trademark. She's

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Speaker 3: basically seen it at all, and now she's ready to

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Speaker 3: share her story. Her exclusive audible memoir, entitled The Baddest

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Speaker 3: Bitch in the Room navigates. It takes you on a

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Speaker 3: journey through one of the most creative periods of music.

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Speaker 3: Timeline Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome our guests on Quest

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Speaker 3: Love Supreme.

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Speaker 1: Sophia Changy, thank you, Thank you, very glad to see today.

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Speaker 5: You're so happy to be here. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Kind of jealous, like you're killing it with the merch.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like five books and I think that I just

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Speaker 3: made like one tea shirt, Like, yeah, I'm kind of

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Speaker 3: I've been kind of scheming on this jacket, even though you.

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Speaker 5: Know I'm not made this jacket. There may be another

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Speaker 1: Even worn yet. I gotta talk to audible.

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Speaker 5: There you go, let's talk to.

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Speaker 1: Can I get a jacket?

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Speaker 6: See what is that on the back? It says my

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Speaker 6: mother lover hustler warrior.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, mother love a hustler warrior. Right, I'll see that.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll start at the top asking why did you

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Speaker 1: And what do you think we can learn from your journey?

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Speaker 5: Uh so, amir, I'm sure you were told this for

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Speaker 5: years too. For years people said you got to write

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Speaker 5: And you know what am I going to do?

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Speaker 5: Oh? I hung out here, I did this, and I

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Speaker 5: I understood that my vast and varied experience, particularly as

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Speaker 5: Then I was like, Okay, if I can be of

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Speaker 3: So you just wanted to strictly stay behind the scenes,

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Speaker 5: I did. I was, you know, don't look at the

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Speaker 5: be everywhere. But in terms of what people can glean

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Speaker 5: from my memoir, I mean, what I say is that

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Speaker 5: quit many many times over my you know, my LinkedIn

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Speaker 5: it's just a matter of I think it's really important

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Speaker 1: Right. Are you the only child or do.

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Speaker 5: You have an older brother of an older brother?

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Speaker 1: Did he follow the family?

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Speaker 5: But he's also extremely passionate about it. My brothers. He

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Speaker 5: saw Chang. He's a tenured English professor at Vassar. He's

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Speaker 5: the tense, smartest people I know, and that's his passion.

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Speaker 5: So French Lit was my passion until I heard the

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Speaker 6: On a second.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I was curious about how French Lit became your passion.

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Speaker 8: I was reading about that and I was like, is

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Speaker 8: Right, yeah, but that that still doesn't mean it that

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Speaker 5: You are well. What I will say is that I'm

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Speaker 5: far more interesting and much more fun. You know. I

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Speaker 5: I grew up in a household where everybody was reading,

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Speaker 8: So that was the suit, that was that was within

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Speaker 8: the suit, right, so now do they understand, Well, I

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Speaker 8: know your father isn't with us anymore, but your mom does.

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Speaker 8: She noticed you're a pioneer because like you said, you

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Speaker 8: That's a pioneer because they are a lot now.

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Speaker 5: I wonder not a lot, But I don't think my

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Speaker 5: with you, did you give your mom this jacket?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Wear it?

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Speaker 5: No for thirty two years up until right now when

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Speaker 5: There's no way, Like she wouldn't understand what it means,

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Speaker 5: My mother was born in North Korea nineteen thirty two.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like, she's not because she needs.

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Speaker 6: The guys, like, but it was the moment when she

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Speaker 3: They kind of collectively eye roll whenever whenever I mentioned that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's that that fear of wanting to disappoint

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Speaker 3: And so for you to like sneak out of it

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Speaker 3: when did you well, First of all, Vancouver, what was

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Speaker 5: So it was very comfortable. You know, Vancouver is beautiful

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Speaker 5: in a white world who wanted to be white, no question.

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Speaker 1: Definitely my father.

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Speaker 5: They impacted people. I really hope they know how they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, them all the time when you know, whenever I

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Speaker 4: It really seems like from so many of the interviews

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Speaker 3: at Sullivan's show. So, how when did you make your

442
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 3: move to America?

443
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,239
Speaker 5: Like I was, I was twenty two and I was

444
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 5: literally writing out my graduating essay and I went straight

445
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 5: to the airport. I skipped graduation. We were just talking

446
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 5: Bill and I were just talking about this. I was

447
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 5: so anxious to get back to New York. So I

448
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 5: have to I have to give a little bit of context.

449
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 5: So as a French major, first of all, living in Vancouver,

450
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 5: I knew I wanted to break out of Vancouver, and

451
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 5: as a French major, maybe she'll see right. Of course,

452
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 5: it's three pairs. And then I went to Paris and

453
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 5: I met the French and I was like, oh no,

454
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 5: I'm not doing this. And then in my final year

455
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 5: of college, I came to New York and I met

456
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 5: Joey Ramone. I thought he was Johnny. I called him

457
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 5: Johnny Joey God rest his soul. And I had I

458
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 5: had heard the message. I had visited New York and

459
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 5: I knew, okay, this is where I want to be.

460
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 5: As a French would say, I was like a like

461
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 5: a fish to water. So when I moved here, I

462
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 5: stayed with a legendary rock critical named Legs McNeil and

463
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 5: his girlfriend, and they introduced me that she got me

464
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 5: a job working at Paul Simon and then I kind

465
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 5: of in eighty seven and then I exactly on the

466
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 5: you're so scold, you really are like this. How do

467
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 5: you keep it on your head? Yeah, so it was

468
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 5: he's coming off of the world wide Graceland tour.

469
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 6: So do you have a regular job during this time?

470
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 6: I'm trying to figure out you said.

471
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 5: So, my regular job is I'm the distant to his

472
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 5: tour managers, coming off of.

473
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 6: Grade before Paul time.

474
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 5: And like, how you I think I might like, I

475
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 5: had a little job working at a studio. But also

476
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 5: at that time, yeah, New York was not as expensive.

477
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 5: Okay when me and my friends talked. So this is

478
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 5: in the late eighties, early nineties, right when me and

479
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 5: my friends talk about it. Where we lived in that time,

480
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 5: none of us could afford to live there now, no

481
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 5: fucking way we're part of So I was living well.

482
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 5: I lived on the Upper West Side with Columbia students

483
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 5: for a while, but then I lived downtown at fourteenth

484
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 5: and seventh, and then I lived at the Archives, which

485
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 5: is this really beautiful white glove building. Elevator Doorman Building

486
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 5: in the West Village. Not a shot. Could I afford

487
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 5: to live there now? Not a shot. I mean when

488
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 5: I was when I was coming up, nobody lived nobody

489
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 5: lived in Brooklyn, Sure as fuck, nobody lived in Queens.

490
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 5: And now all of my friends live in Brooklyn and

491
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 5: Queens because we can't afford Manhattan anymore, like nobody can

492
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 5: afford the city anymore.

493
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: So I can't afford the apartment. I moved to Brooklyn

494
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 1: in two thousand and two.

495
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, that apartment, it's really tough. But there were also

496
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 5: three of us living in a three hundred and sixty

497
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 5: square foot studio. But we were like in our early twenties,

498
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 5: and who gives a shit, it was probably like one

499
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 5: hundred dollars.

500
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 3: What was the environment like back then, because it's I

501
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 3: would imagine that mid late eighties was more that was

502
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 3: post danceitaria. So that's the first era of Downtown New

503
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 3: York scene. So what was the scene into So.

504
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 5: What was really amazing about the scene at the time

505
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 5: was that it was really small and I'm not going

506
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 5: to say insular, because it wasn't insular. It was small

507
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 5: and it was focused, but it was also very inclusive

508
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,719
Speaker 5: and we were all at the same clubs. So you

509
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 5: had DJ's, MC graph, artists, be boys all there. But

510
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 5: you also had managers, A and R, publicist, agents, attorneys.

511
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 5: I mean, you had every single sector of the industry there,

512
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 5: because in nineteen eighty seven hip hop is still a

513
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 5: relatively nascent industry, okay, right, and so and again it's

514
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,959
Speaker 5: localized and it's centralized. And you had DJs like Red Alert,

515
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 5: you know, and we would go anywhere where Red was spinning.

516
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 5: You had Clark spinning. We would go anywhere that Clark

517
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 5: was spinning. So there were there were different clubs. There

518
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 5: was a there was a moving club called there was

519
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 5: pay Day, and it was these three promoters. It was

520
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 5: Chuck Beaver and Patrick Marxy and they would they would

521
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 5: move around and they started to name so they named

522
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 5: the clubs after chocolate bars. So there was pay Day.

523
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: There was one.

524
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 5: Hundred grand I know, and right, so they were named

525
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 5: after a bunch of chocolate bars. And they could roam.

526
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 5: Now this was at a time where you could do this.

527
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 5: No way could you do this now, not a shot, right,

528
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 5: Like I lived down in the Lower East Side, and

529
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure that one of the clubs that I

530
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 5: went to back in the day was housed in one

531
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 5: of the high schools, like they rented out high school auditoriums,

532
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 5: they rented out abandoned like Chinese restaurants and stuff like that.

533
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 5: And it was so amazing because again this is before

534
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 5: the internet. There's nowhere out yeah, and we would they would,

535
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 5: they would hand out flyers and then we would just

536
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 5: all call each other and leave messages on each other's

537
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 5: answering machines, google it, and we would, you know, we

538
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 5: would just make sure that we were all there and

539
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 5: there was a feeling of community because we were all

540
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 5: there for the music. This is where records were broken.

541
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 5: Clark Kent single handedly broke Color me bads, I want

542
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 5: to sex you up, sex you up. I remember being there.

543
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 5: I think it was actually Ditty's house. When Puffy had

544
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 5: a club over here on fifty four Street, and you know,

545
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 5: none of us had heard the song. Literally, none of

546
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 5: us had heard the song. He had a white label

547
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 5: and the opening strains come on, and you know, you're

548
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 5: on the dance when you're dancing, and then you just

549
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 5: stop because you don't know the record, and the record

550
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 5: came on and then and then the bee came in

551
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 5: and we were like, oh shit. And years later, at

552
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 5: twenty fourteen at Universal, I was in the in an

553
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 5: A and R doing A and R admin at Island. Sam,

554
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 5: who was one of the members of Color Me Bad,

555
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,239
Speaker 5: said that they were in the club that night and

556
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 5: that was the first time they heard their record played.

557
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: Sam, was that George Michael Vanilla James or the Kenny

558
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 3: G Kenny G.

559
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: How did you know? Because I used to be a

560
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: Color Me Bad fan. I got the two.

561
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 6: Albums broke, Yeah, two albums, little bit.

562
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 7: I didn't even know the Time and Chance was the

563
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 7: second one.

564
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: Oh that was my joy.

565
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 5: So they So it was a really really close It

566
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 5: was a really really close knit community. And you know,

567
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 5: it was such a privileged.

568
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: To make me feel bad for like coloring Wait, time out?

569
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: Wait what side new? Do you know?

570
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 3: Right right before a Fat Cat on Fantastic Body whin,

571
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 3: they're doing Time and Chance.

572
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: They talk about time and Chance, right, all right? Good?

573
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: But it was we were a rabbit.

574
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 5: But it's this beautiful community and I was welcomed into

575
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 5: the community and I was embraced and I'm really grateful

576
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 5: for that. And that was a privilege because hip hop

577
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 5: was obviously was not of my making, you know, it

578
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 5: was not my world. And yet hip hop was like,

579
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 5: come in so and you know the first people were

580
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 5: Crazy Legs and DJ Scratch brilliant at the New Music Seminar. Yeah,

581
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 5: Legs has the store where he's like, I'll never forget

582
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 5: the first time I saw you. I was looking across, going,

583
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 5: who is that little Asian woman that knows all the

584
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 5: words of brand Nubian stepped to the rear.

585
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 3: Oh shit, right, So you were there, like I'll say,

586
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 3: in the early nineties and not oh see, that's the

587
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 3: era are the era that people mostly tell us about

588
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 3: this show is like Latin Quarter and all that stuff,

589
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 3: but kind of that SOBS period. I don't hear a

590
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: lot about, so I don't always wondered.

591
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 5: L Q and all that predated me. For sure. I

592
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 5: never went to Latin Quarter. I never went to dance Aetyria.

593
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 5: Most of my friends all certainly my friends grew up

594
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 5: in New York did so. But you know the other

595
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 5: thing that's interesting about that era is that so you

596
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 5: have these small roaming clubs, right, but you also have

597
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 5: mega clubs and they're all gone. Palladium.

598
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: It's a dorm, tunnel, tunnel.

599
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 5: Right the tunnel, limelight, these places were you dare go

600
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 5: to the tunnel?

601
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: Yeah? I did.

602
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 5: I did at a certain point, though I stopped because

603
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 5: I think Chris Lighty, God Restless Soul. I think Lighty

604
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 5: was like, don't come self. It is like, don't come?

605
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 6: Can I ask you a question?

606
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 8: I don't know if this is uncomfortable, but I'm just

607
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 8: as I'm listening, because you are to me a pioneer

608
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 8: in ways, because you were in the club, you knew

609
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 8: all the lyrics and stuff like that. How did you

610
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,719
Speaker 8: navigate around the N word? And how did you realize

611
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 8: that that was like a hot button because you're from

612
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 8: Vancouver and there weren't we weren't around to be like,

613
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 8: well this ain't cool and this is cool.

614
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 5: And because even before hip hop, I grew up knowing

615
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 5: that even though I was called chink, jap and gook,

616
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 5: I knew that the N words it's used against people

617
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 5: the way that those words were used against me. So

618
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 5: even if it's in the lyrics and my favorite artists

619
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 5: are saying it, it never felt right to me.

620
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 8: Ever, because I do know it's that weird thing where

621
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 8: it has been made it's different than most slurs because

622
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 8: it has been made cool in a way.

623
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 6: So that's why I was.

624
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 8: Like, and others have issues dealing with that, like I

625
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 8: don't get it.

626
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 6: It's so cool to say.

627
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I yeah, I yeah.

628
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: I can't yeah.

629
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 3: So what was your first inside industry job as far

630
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 3: as hip hop is concerned?

631
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: Where did you first?

632
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 5: It was the job doing A and R at jive?

633
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 5: So I met the Captain A K. Shawn Karasov God

634
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 5: Rest his soul. He was doing A and R jive.

635
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 5: He signed a troupal quest and he said, I'm moving

636
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 5: to the West Coast because at the time, the West

637
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 5: Coast was had a burgeoning hip hop scene. Right he said, Sealthie,

638
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 5: I'm moving to I'm moving to Wila. I think you

639
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 5: should interview for my job. So I interviewed for his

640
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 5: job with Barry Weiss, very very very smart president of

641
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 5: Drive Records, and Barry gave me the job, although he

642
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 5: did tell me he said the second I walked in

643
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 5: the door, he went, oh, she'll never get the job.

644
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: What what is Barry like? I meet many people that

645
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: work with him. What is he like as because really,

646
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 3: I mean Barry was to me he was almost deaf

647
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 3: Jam before death Jam, because he's the one that signed

648
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 3: like Philly artists like Shell, took the entire Powart label

649
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 3: and made it his own and all that stuff. Before

650
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 3: you know, Russell and Rick got established him.

651
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: What was he like? Just Barry?

652
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 5: I think I believe Barry is a Cornell grad. Barry

653
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 5: is also the son of High Weiss, and High was

654
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 5: also in the music business. And Barry is so smart,

655
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 5: so smart. You know, you're in rooms with people and

656
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 5: as soon as they start talking, you go, oh, holy

657
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 5: sh you're so smart. He is also one of the

658
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 5: funniest people I know. Like literally, if Barry was sitting here,

659
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 5: in thirty seconds, he could add me laughing. He did

660
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 5: incredible impersonations. He was amazing as a boss. He could

661
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 5: be pretty exacting. And you know Barry, So, there were

662
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 5: all these trades back in the day. There's Billboard, but

663
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 5: then there's Gavin, there's R and R, there's FMQB. There

664
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 5: are all these trades, and all of these trades, many

665
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 5: of them have local record sales reports, right, Barry would

666
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 5: go through every single one and if he saw that

667
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 5: an artist sold fifty copies of a cassette in Kansas.

668
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 5: He'd be like, call that person. So you're absolutely right.

669
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 5: I mean Barry signed Short, I mean not Barry, but

670
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 5: you know Jive signed Short. Yeah, they signed Spice one.

671
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 5: You know, they had their tentacles out really far. And

672
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 5: I think that was Barry's vision to understand really early

673
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 5: on that hip hop would expand far beyond New York.

674
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 5: So I loved working for Barry. I learned so much.

675
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: Who did you what artists were you under? Did you

676
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: sign anybody a job? Doing your terrain?

677
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 5: I signed foh Nickens, Casual Souls and Mischief. I signed

678
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 5: an amazing artist named Miss Kilo from the West Coast.

679
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 5: Unfortunately I left and that that didn't ever happen. So

680
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 5: those are the artists that I said, yes, oh what

681
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 5: a memory, Oh my god, you're in the safe place.

682
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 5: And then I worked with Tribe and karras One and

683
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 5: UGK and you know a bunch of other I mean,

684
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 5: they had an amazing roster.

685
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: How did you guys? All right?

686
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: So speaking of UGK, you know kind of the globalization

687
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 3: or no that not the globalization, for I guess hip

688
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 3: hop really going nationalization? How how are you guys able

689
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 3: to because even before Depthtam again, you guys were first

690
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 3: and going to other terries, not New York, signing artists

691
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 3: first with Philly with Jeff and Will and Steady being Schooley,

692
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 3: and then expanding out. So what was it about you?

693
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 3: UGK and Spice one and well too short? And it

694
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 3: wasn't Volume ten also no, no, he was on RCA proper.

695
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 3: But what was it about those artists? Especially with UGK?

696
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 5: I think, for I didn't sign any of those, I

697
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 5: can't take credit for signing any of them, but I

698
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 5: think a lot of it was, like I said, I

699
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 5: think a lot of it was seeing sales figures. I

700
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 5: think a lot of it was understanding that. But it

701
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 5: couldn't be that alone, right, So then we get in,

702
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 5: We get an indication that there is a buzz around

703
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 5: a certain artist, and I would literally call a record

704
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 5: store and say, so, you have this artist name so

705
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 5: and so, how is he selling? How is she selling?

706
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 5: It was always a hea though, how is he selling?

707
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 5: And then whoever was running the local record store would

708
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 5: give me a sense of what was going on there,

709
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 5: and if it sounded promising, I would then say can

710
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 5: you please put me in touch with his manager? And

711
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 5: then it would kind of go from there. But UGK,

712
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 5: how did YOUGK come to us? I don't remember, but

713
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 5: everybody had it couldn't It couldn't simply be data, which

714
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 5: is different from now because a lot of artists, I

715
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 5: think now can get signed purely off of data. It

716
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 5: was data driven, but then it was also talent, you know,

717
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 5: and you know there was something so unique god Ress's soul, pimpsy,

718
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 5: about pimp and about bun and about what they were presenting.

719
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 5: Now we had the ghetto boys from Texas as well, right,

720
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 5: But UGK, I don't know. I just remember the first

721
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 5: time I heard them they felt really new and fresh,

722
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 5: but dirty and grime in a way that I really appreciated,

723
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 5: you know, So it was probably a combination of the two.

724
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 3: Well, this is would I always ask an arts when

725
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 3: they come on the show. Can you name three acts

726
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 3: that got away that you really that you had a

727
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 3: chance to sign, or that you had like the sort

728
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 3: of buzz on before they got became a thing and

729
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 3: they went elsewhere.

730
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 5: Well, everybody's going to tell you Wu tang because we

731
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 5: all had the demo, but there's no way I was

732
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 5: going to be able to sign them. Dos effects were

733
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 5: at my house four days a week and didn't get

734
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 5: to sign them. Yeah, House of Pain. I was friends

735
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 5: with Mugs from back in the Cypress Hill days Wu

736
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,959
Speaker 5: Tang Grave Diggers. I wanted to sign and wasn't able

737
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 5: to sign. But the funny thing about the House of

738
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 5: Pain story is that again I was friends with Mugs

739
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 5: and I had the demo. And now the thing that

740
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 5: was really frustrating to Clive Calder, the owner of Jive Records,

741
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 5: was that Dots Effects and House of Pain went pop.

742
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 5: Now before summertime, none of Jive's hip hop artists went pop, right,

743
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 5: I think that, Oh my god, what's that little boy group?

744
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 5: They did a song it was five Little Boys. Oh,

745
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 5: I'm bugging that. I'm not remembering. Anyway, they had a

746
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 5: song about kiss and that was the first, I feel

747
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 5: like that was the first number one Billboard song for

748
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 5: oh five, the Kissing Game. So it really got under

749
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 5: Clive's skin that I wanted to sign Dos Effects and

750
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 5: I wanted to sign House of Pain and they were

751
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 5: they were big pop hits. And so after House of Pain,

752
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 5: after Jump Around came out, he said, you know he's

753
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 5: South African. Sophia come down to my office. Do you

754
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 5: do you still have the House of Pain demo? And

755
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 5: I said yeah, And so in his mind, when I

756
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 5: played the demo, the you know, the noise. I always

757
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 5: say that Mugs was kind of the the the the

758
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 5: next generation of the Bomb Squad bringing the noise that

759
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 5: that he he was convinced that when I played him

760
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 5: the demo original demo, that that sound wasn't in the demo,

761
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 5: but it was. And in fact, when I.

762
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 1: That's not it, it is it is? It is not

763
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: all right?

764
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 3: We will have again, we will have arguments, all right,

765
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 3: So the big debate is.

766
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 1: Here's the deal. So that's not Prince's voice. Is Rosie Wan's.

767
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: We've been having that. I didn't know that. I didn't

768
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: know what. Okay, so Muggs and them keep saying that

769
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 1: it's Junior walking the All Star but I when distorted.

770
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 5: And so we will.

771
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 3: They're saying that it's Junior walking the All Stars. I

772
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 3: forget the name of the song, but okay, I'm still

773
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: maintaining that it's Prince's get Off intro.

774
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 5: So essentially, when I went back to So, I played

775
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 5: it for Clive and he was like, oh damn it.

776
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,959
Speaker 5: And when I went back to mugs. I said, how

777
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 5: close is this to the version, the demo version to

778
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 5: the one that got on the radio, And he said,

779
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 5: it's the version that got on the radio. There's virtually

780
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 5: no distance between.

781
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 3: So you're saying that if they lost the yelp scream

782
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 3: all right, horn line, that you guys would have signed it,

783
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 3: Like that.

784
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 5: Was going to scare you know what he said? What

785
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 5: Clive was saying was and he when House of Pain

786
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 5: went jump Around became a big pop hit, he was

787
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 5: so frustrated that he hadn't let me sign it. And

788
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 5: he said, Sophia, when you play me the demo, that

789
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 5: sound was not in them. You see what I'm saying.

790
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 5: So it was like, do you still.

791
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: Have made a difference? That is funny.

792
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 8: So wait, at this point, had you started the relationship?

793
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 6: Will will yet?

794
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: No?

795
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 5: Okay, that's why you said you summer ninety three?

796
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 3: Ok So okay, Well that is weird of all, the

797
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: label like Jive was just not a label that signed

798
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 3: any member of the WOU like not even inspected deck.

799
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 5: So my guess is they were too expensive, really, I guess, Yeah,

800
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 5: neither did Tommy Boy.

801
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: Yeah they already messed up with Yeah, but they had they.

802
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 6: Had a chance, right, right, So that's difference. I'm sorry,

803
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 6: I'm just catching up.

804
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: On budget wise. Budget wise, Jive really.

805
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 5: Didn't have a they were we were. We were a

806
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 5: scrappy little independent and we were we had to be

807
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 5: really competitive in other ways.

808
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 3: That is so weird because I, at least with the

809
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 3: look of it and the ads that you guys purchased

810
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 3: and the artist that you represent it, I was always

811
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 3: I never looked at you guys as a Tommy Boy

812
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 3: underling or even a rough house boutique label, like I

813
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 3: considered you guys absolutely super major.

814
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 5: No, I think that we were. I think we were major,

815
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 5: major players. But that had to do with the fact

816
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 5: that everything else other than big advances compensated for that, right,

817
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 5: So I'm I was competing for hieroglyphics. That was a

818
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 5: competitive deal. Well, I can't offer as much as a

819
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 5: major label can, but what can I offer. We'll look

820
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 5: at our roster, right, And what people need to know

821
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 5: is that talent can be an amazing talent magnet. So

822
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 5: when we can talk about the fact, so those boys

823
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 5: are from the Bay, they're from the East Oakland, and

824
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 5: we have Spice one and we have too short and

825
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 5: we have pooh right, and so they So there is

826
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 5: also thinking about who your label mates are going to be,

827
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 5: and that's how we were. That's how we were able

828
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 5: to be competitive. But it wasn't by spending a ton

829
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 5: of money.

830
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: I see.

831
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 3: Wait, I got to ask, since you're associated with him,

832
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 3: what what effect do you think that that battle with

833
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 3: Safir had on their momentum? Uh Solz Mischief did a

834
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 3: infamous battle against Sofia in on Bay Area radio, and.

835
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: All I know is that that's all we listen to.

836
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 3: To me was the equivalent of if you watch kill

837
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 3: Bill when oh my god, I.

838
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 5: Was just gonna I'm so bizarre with Lucy.

839
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 3: Lou Yes, well, no, no, no, I mean both battles.

840
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 3: But actually I was thinking of when when Uma Thurman

841
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 3: just took out the crazy eighty eight.

842
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 5: The yeah, taken out.

843
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 3: That's what I wouldn't say taken out, but I will

844
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 3: say that Sophir just one like it's for them, and

845
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 3: they had.

846
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: Casual so it was like really eight of.

847
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 3: Them versus one of him, and he just took them

848
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 3: all one by one and we just never I know

849
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 3: that that had an effect on Tarik Treek was like

850
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 3: I have to be that good where I can take

851
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 3: out ten mcs or that sort of thing.

852
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: But I mean, did that do you think that affected their.

853
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 3: Momentum and their or yeah, their confidence at all or

854
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 3: was it just like whatever?

855
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 5: Ah, if it did, I didn't see any sign of that.

856
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 5: And also, you know, being around those guys, you know

857
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 5: kung fu, we say sharpen your blade every day and

858
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 5: at the time when I was around them and they're sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,

859
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 5: nineteen years old, right, they sharpened their blades all day

860
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 5: every day. I mean, to be around them was to

861
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 5: hear them freestyle more than you would hear them talk. So, yes,

862
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 5: is there this epic battle and you know Sophie is

863
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 5: is dominant. Absolutely, But I don't think that made them

864
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 5: kind of shrink and go, oh my god, where we're

865
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 5: not good anymore? To this day, I don't think that

866
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 5: they that they have any doubt as to as to

867
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 5: their skills.

868
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 3: Real okay, oh they're still going strong. Yeah, And I

869
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:17,959
Speaker 3: kind of wish Opio didn't cut his hair.

870
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 6: From it again, say it again, that was like when he.

871
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: Cut his hair. I was just like, man, they lost

872
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: their angle like.

873
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 6: And me because I was like where's he at?

874
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 8: I can't want is he now?

875
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 1: Which one is he? For real? I was like, Opio,

876
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: come on, dude, like.

877
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 5: He did a beautiful hair.

878
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: He did go on all right.

879
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 3: So I'll admit when I first saw Protect your Neck,

880
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 3: that was a little too low budget for me.

881
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: I saw it.

882
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 3: No, No, you know, I've seen it on like a

883
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 3: local like we had our own local uh aj Shine

884
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 3: from w KDU and and Philly had his own like

885
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 3: show of the avenue on Jacksonell University and he would

886
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 3: show it and it was just like, ah, this is

887
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: so cheap.

888
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I got it though, but.

889
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 3: I kind of feel like people have recontextualized and and

890
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 3: sort of the way that people will talk about Princess

891
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 3: Dirty Mind. Like I was there at the beginning like

892
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 3: that sort of thing. I was like, where you really

893
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 3: so for you with the with the early Wu tang,

894
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,959
Speaker 3: like you were truly aboard and you knew that.

895
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: This was going to be a thing. Yeah.

896
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 5: And I also think that there's a little bit of

897
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 5: civic pride going on there because simultaneously, if I remember correctly,

898
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 5: the West coast was on the come up, oh no,

899
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 5: and so there was a sense of like New York,

900
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 5: New York. We got this shit, right, yeah, like we

901
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 5: you know it's from That's right. And then you have

902
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 5: nine guns and they're from Staten Island, and you're like,

903
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 5: how could it? Does anybody care about Staten Island? And

904
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 5: they and they did this thing, and I think that

905
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 5: it wasn't Look you could talk about Rizzz Beats all

906
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 5: day long, and I remember what it felt like to

907
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 5: me was I think it impacted me on so many

908
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 5: different levels. So at that point, I'm considering myself a

909
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 5: proud New Yorker, even even though I've been there for

910
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 5: less here for less than a decade, but it was

911
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 5: so New York, right, Like I feel like Rizzes beats

912
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 5: and he describes them as grimy were this really unflinching

913
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 5: look at the dirty underbelly of the city, and I

914
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 5: and then and then you have their rhymes and he

915
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 5: somehow Harness's nine guys on what we used to call

916
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 5: a posse track.

917
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 8: Right.

918
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 5: So now, if we made that record, you would fly

919
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 5: somebody the beat and they'd send you their eight or

920
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 5: their sixteen. Right. But back in the day, they were

921
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 5: all in the studio, they're all sleeping on Rizz's floor

922
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 5: in Staten Island, right, and so you have this kind

923
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 5: of you have this osmosis happening, and it just felt huge.

924
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 5: That's how it felt. It felt in terms of volume

925
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 5: of how many MC's there were, but also the fact

926
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 5: that I'd never heard beats like Rizzes before. I was like,

927
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 5: oh shit, what is he doing? And I am far

928
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 5: from the musicologist you are, and I could never deconstruct

929
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 5: it the way that you can.

930
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 3: But the A and R and you wasn't thinking like

931
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 3: I would think that, Yeah, A and rs are thinking

932
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 3: fight or flight. I gotta find the next big thing

933
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 3: to keep justify my job in my position, So my

934
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 3: first thought would be, oh, this is way too low.

935
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,919
Speaker 1: Fight like this go on radio? Right?

936
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 3: Oh like that your your inner A and R wasn't

937
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 3: already tainted and taking over your consciousness?

938
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 5: Well what the What tainted it was the deal that

939
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 5: they asked for. So none of us could sign Wu

940
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 5: Tang Klan right, right, So it was already off the table.

941
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 5: But it in the same way that the message hit

942
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 5: me viscerally. It hit me viscerally, and remember I met

943
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 5: them really soon thereafter, So it is one thing to

944
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 5: hear the record. It is another thing to see that

945
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 5: really grainy, g low fi time going five thousand dollars

946
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 5: video where they're not even I don't even think they're

947
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 5: even all in that video. And then to meet them,

948
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 5: and I think because I had the privilege of being

949
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 5: in proximity to them really really early on before the

950
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 5: first album came out, I it was it was really

951
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 5: really clear to us. Certainly in New York, all of

952
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 5: us knew like, oh, this shit's gonna blow. It's it's

953
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 5: gonna blow. Not necessarily because we thought Protecting Neck was

954
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 5: a commercial song. None of us thought this is like summertime, right,

955
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 5: but it just felt like this swell uh you know.

956
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 5: I say in my memoir there there's this really great

957
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 5: Victor Hugo quote which has been kind of loosely translated

958
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 5: as something like you you can't fight an idea whose

959
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 5: time has come and so, but literally translated is you

960
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 5: can resist an invasion of armies. You cannot resist an

961
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 5: invasion of ideas. But in my mind they were both.

962
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 5: They were this army who had these incredible ideas and

963
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 5: that was all resist vision. Look, he couldn't have done

964
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 5: it with that Wu Tang, but it was you know,

965
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 5: he was the Abbott and that was his creative genius.

966
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 3: So was he the first member that you met? How

967
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 3: did you start working with an organization?

968
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 5: And what were so heard the Wu Tang demo. Loved it.

969
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 5: I became a wvangelist. I played it for anybody that

970
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 5: would listen. I was like, listen, listen to my shitty

971
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 5: little yellow walk sports walkman. Google it and then I

972
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 5: uh and but couldn't sign them, but I was a

973
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 5: huge fan. And then the Grave digg Is demo came

974
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 5: across my desk, and the Grave digger Is he wasn't

975
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 5: asking for the same non exclusive, so that was something

976
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 5: that I could definitely try to sign. And I arranged

977
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 5: to meet him, and I remember like it was yesterday.

978
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 5: I remember the weather, what I wore, what I ate,

979
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 5: where we ate like, I remember so much about it.

980
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 5: And in that first interaction, of course we talked about

981
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 5: the Grave Diggas and the parameters of the deal and

982
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,919
Speaker 5: the creative vision, but we also talked about Wu Tang.

983
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 5: But you know this as well as I do. When

984
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 5: you get a new conversation with Rizza, it's never just

985
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 5: about music, right, And you know I've been saying for

986
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 5: a while that to me, Rizza is the Bruce Lee

987
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 5: of music. And when I say that, I mean that

988
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 5: Bruce Lee was took a lot of different traditions. Bruce

989
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 5: Lee grew up studying wing shun right, and that is

990
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 5: a very traditional kung fu form, but he studied many

991
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 5: other forms and then he made his own form called jikundo.

992
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 5: And I kind of feel like that's what Rizza did,

993
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 5: as have many producers, like kind of take all of

994
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 5: these and not disrespect any of them, honor them, all

995
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 5: of these different musical and sonic traditions, and then to

996
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,479
Speaker 5: blend them and to make his own thing. Now again,

997
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 5: many producers have done that. Why I call him the

998
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 5: Bruce Lee of hip hop is because he is additionally

999
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 5: a philosopher, and I do not I cannot think of

1000
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 5: other artists or producers that I think are true philosophers.

1001
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 5: And this stems from an intense intellectual, cultural, and spiritual curiosity.

1002
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 5: So riz is the guy that has, like any artists,

1003
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 5: traveled the world a number of times over. But he

1004
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,760
Speaker 5: is also the guy that doesn't go to whatever city

1005
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 5: in whatever country and whatever corner of the world and say,

1006
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 5: you know, just find me the nearest McDonald's, so I

1007
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 5: can eat food that I'm comfortable with. He will eat

1008
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 5: that food right. He will find out where is the

1009
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 5: place of prayer and where is the faith here? What

1010
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 5: is the language, what is the culture? And he will

1011
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 5: immerse himself in that. And I think it really comes

1012
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 5: out in everything that he does now that that's expanded

1013
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 5: far beyond music. So he was the first one that

1014
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 5: I met, and I describe it as being, you know,

1015
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 5: the first time I met Riza was like going through

1016
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 5: many different chambers, and then after I met him, I

1017
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 5: met all the rest of them. And the last one

1018
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 5: that I met was dirty God rest his soul.

1019
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: How is it navigating his life?

1020
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 3: There's two people on earth that I've met, both of

1021
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 3: their tour managers with the Roots Organization, My boy Silbert

1022
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 3: when we were interviewing him, and my first question was, so,

1023
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 3: what qualifications do you have that you feel would be

1024
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 3: beneficial to us? And he said one thing he said,

1025
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 3: he says, I've been Public Enemies tour manager for the

1026
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 3: last twenty years.

1027
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: Flavor Flav has never been late or missed a show. Wow.

1028
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 3: I was like, wow, you're hired. So what is the

1029
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 3: amount of Jedi mind tricks that you have to do

1030
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 3: to keep them organized.

1031
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 5: So I could never say that they were never late

1032
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 5: working with me at all, or that they didn't miss

1033
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 5: the show. But to talk about Dirty first, I call

1034
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 5: him Ason. I call him a you know, managing old

1035
00:54:53,000 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 5: dirty bastard could certainly seem oxymoronic, but I think that

1036
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 5: I did as good a job as anybody could look.

1037
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 5: Ason had an addictive personality, There's no doubt about it, right.

1038
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 5: He was addicted to sex, he was addicted to alcohol,

1039
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 5: and he became addicted to drugs. But when I managed him,

1040
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 5: he didn't even smoke wheat, Like I remember him being like, wet,

1041
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 5: get that shit out of here. I hate the smell

1042
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 5: of that. So I knew him before he did drugs.

1043
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 5: But he did drink a lot, and he did love women,

1044
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 5: and so there was a lot of there was a

1045
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 5: lot of damage control, as you can imagine. But the

1046
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 5: thing that I want people to know about Ason is

1047
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 5: that he was so smart. He was he was so smart,

1048
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 5: and he had such a creative vision. But he was

1049
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,919
Speaker 5: also intellectually very smart, and he was really really good

1050
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 5: with people. He was so winsome and he could charm

1051
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 5: anybody when he wanted to. He was super protective of me,

1052
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 5: and he was dead loyal. And I keep quoting my

1053
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 5: friend Julius Ono, who's a Nigerian American director who made

1054
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 5: this movie earlier this summer called Loose and it's about

1055
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 5: a transracial adoptee, and he said in a Q and

1056
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 5: A that I think that every person in this world

1057
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 5: should be granted access to the full spectrum of humanity.

1058
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 5: And I think that any of us who live on

1059
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 5: the margins are not granted access to the full spectrum

1060
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 5: of humanity. I think rappers in particular are not granted

1061
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 5: access to the full spectrum of humanity. And so what

1062
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 5: I try to communicate in my memoir is who were

1063
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 5: these artists to me? So I am far from a

1064
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 5: Wou Tang expert. I could not tell you what sequence

1065
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 5: the albums came out, in the names of all the

1066
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 5: solo none of that that samples any of that. The

1067
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 5: only thing that I am an expert on, and I

1068
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 5: am an expert on this, it's who they are as

1069
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 5: men people to me. And I think that I have

1070
00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 5: a unique lens into the wouniverse because of who I am,

1071
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 5: but also who they allowed me to be. And how

1072
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 5: they let me come into their world, and I think

1073
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 5: that speaks volumes about them. I also managed, so I

1074
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,919
Speaker 5: managed all three three letter members of WU, tang Od,

1075
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 5: b r z A and GZA. I managed Riza what

1076
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 5: I call his extracurricular activity. So I did not manage

1077
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 5: him as an MC and I did not manage him

1078
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 5: as a producer, but I managed him as a composer

1079
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 5: and then his beginnings his transition into Hollywood. Yes, so

1080
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 5: his first his first GID composing was ghost Dog. That

1081
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 5: was not me. That was Nemo, who was very close.

1082
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 5: I believe he's Jim Jarmis his nephew, and Nemo brought

1083
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 5: Riza into UH to Jim, and then I kind of

1084
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 5: picked it up from there. So it was kill Bill

1085
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 5: and it was Blade and I believe it did soul Plane.

1086
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 5: So we did that stuff together, and he had already

1087
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 5: started writing and directing. But you know, the thing that

1088
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 5: I say about Rizza is he is truly living his

1089
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 5: childhood dream. So when I was a kid, I wanted

1090
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 5: to be a doctor. I wanted to be a fashion designer.

1091
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 5: I never thought that I'd be doing this and I

1092
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 5: love my life. But Riza as a child growing up

1093
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 5: one of I believe eleven children of a single mother,

1094
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 5: growing up in the projects of Staten Island in Brooklyn.

1095
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 5: He watched Kung Fu movies and he imagined and dreamt

1096
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 5: that he would one day direct. And now he's directing

1097
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 5: Kumfu movies and he is writing them and he is

1098
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 5: starring in them. And I actually don't know anybody else

1099
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 5: who had this vision. And he is truly a visionary

1100
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 5: from when he was a child. So managing Rizza was

1101
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 5: a delight. Managing Jizsu was also incredible. I would say

1102
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 5: that Jisse was my favorite client because and you know

1103
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 5: Jizz like I do. He's incredibly low key, and he's

1104
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 5: so gracious, and he is so magnanimous, and he doesn't

1105
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 5: want to be recognized, and he doesn't want to be famous.

1106
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 5: He doesn't want to be any of those things. And

1107
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 5: he is so kind. And I really love managing him

1108
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 5: because he allowed me to transition him into lecturing, and

1109
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 5: not every client lets you do that, right, So somebody

1110
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 5: might say I've thought about it, so but I don't

1111
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 5: really want to do it because there's this thing I

1112
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 5: do and I'm so comfortable and I've been doing it

1113
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 5: for decades and I'm getting paid and I know how

1114
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 5: to do this, whereas lecturing is very very different. You're

1115
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 5: basically standing naked. There are no pyrotechnics, you don't have

1116
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 5: a hype man, there's no DJ, there's no lights, there's

1117
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 5: no sound, and your and your audience they're not drunk,

1118
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 5: they're not high, right, they're just all sitting there and

1119
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 5: they're looking at you, and you're standing at a podium

1120
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 5: and you are speaking. And literally the first place he

1121
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 5: lectured was Harvard. That's the Korean in me. And literally

1122
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 5: the first words out of his mouth was were I'm

1123
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 5: so nervous, and that's jes what yeah, yeah, and you

1124
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 5: know what, the same and you know what, I did

1125
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 5: the same thing with Joey Badass and saying he said

1126
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 5: the exact same thing.

1127
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 6: What was I'm just curious? What was just his first

1128
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 6: lecture on.

1129
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 5: So he spoke about his love of science. You know,

1130
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 5: he is deeply intellectually curious. He spoke of his love

1131
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 5: of science. He spoke about his his inspiration and his

1132
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 5: creative process.

1133
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 6: Can you can you talk about real quick?

1134
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 8: In the prologue, I had a moment I had to

1135
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 8: mama where I was jealous of you in describing the

1136
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 8: relationship with Wu Tang because of a situation that happened

1137
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 8: with metha man and the god Jamal. And I was

1138
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 8: jealous because as a woman who's been in the industry

1139
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 8: for years, we all know what it's like. You know,

1140
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 8: you're telling beautiful stories, but at some points, being that

1141
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 8: woman in the room can be adversarial. It can be dismissive, yes,

1142
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 8: and question in that moment of no protection, right, yeah,

1143
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 8: So I don't know if you want to reiterate that story,

1144
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 8: but sure Also in a way, I also wanted you

1145
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 8: to tell the the opposite of that story when it

1146
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 8: wasn't that protection ere with methad.

1147
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 5: Man, Right. I mean, so when I when I started

1148
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 5: doing A and R, I was insecure around it. Right,

1149
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 5: I'm thinking, I'm a Korean, Canadian French lip major, and

1150
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 5: do I really deserve this job of being a gatekeeper

1151
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 5: and an arbiter of a culture? Again that is not mine? Right?

1152
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 5: And so, but the way that hip hop embraced me

1153
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 5: was really fortifying and gave me a lot more confidence,

1154
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 5: but nothing more than when Wu Tang claimed me. So

1155
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 5: it was very very early on I might have met

1156
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,919
Speaker 5: Meth once before I go to the studio to see them,

1157
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 5: and he says, Sophie, you got to see I just

1158
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 5: got my video in for method man. And so he

1159
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 5: takes me to the back lounge, whisks me past everybody,

1160
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 5: takes me to the back lounge and he sits me

1161
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 5: down and he plugs in the tape and he stands

1162
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 5: on the wall, doesn't sit with me, stands against the

1163
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 5: wall to watch me because he wants to see my

1164
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 5: response to the video, and sitting next to the television

1165
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 5: facing me. So this gentleman is not watching the screen.

1166
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 5: He's looking at me as Meth is is this guy Jamal.

1167
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 5: So the video plays and I'm super excited. I'm like,

1168
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 5: oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, because

1169
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 5: I'm already in love with Meth. And so the video

1170
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 5: plays and as soon as the video ends, he looks

1171
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 5: at me and he says, where are you from? Now? Anybody,

1172
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 5: any person of color, will tell you that's a lot question.

1173
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 5: If you ask a white person that they're going to

1174
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 5: be like, oh, I'm from Columbus right or or you

1175
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 5: know my parents are whatever. But this is this is

1176
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 5: a loaded question. So I am a petit Asian woman

1177
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,479
Speaker 5: in the inner inner sanctum of Wu Tang, of Wu

1178
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 5: Tang's world. And it is clear to him, and I

1179
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 5: could see the calculations. It is clear to him, I'm

1180
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 5: not sleeping with any of those boys. He also knows

1181
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 5: that I don't manage any of them. At this point,

1182
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 5: I don't A and R any of them. So who

1183
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 5: is this and how did she get in? And again

1184
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 5: to this day, when I'm around Wu Tang, I am

1185
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 5: almost always the only woman in the room. And this

1186
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 5: is a very privileged place where I sit. So he

1187
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 5: keeps and so I feign innocence, and I say, well,

1188
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 5: what are you asking me? Where are you from?

1189
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 3: Well?

1190
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 5: I don't really know what that means. Where are you from?

1191
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 5: And then I broke and I said, okay, Well, if

1192
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 5: you're asking where I was born, I was born in Vancouver.

1193
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 5: My parents are Korean. If you asking me where my

1194
01:02:57,720 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 5: parents are from, there from you know, Korea, if you're

1195
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 5: asking where I live. But before I could even finish

1196
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 5: answering this in this very methodical way, Meth just flew

1197
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 5: in between us.

1198
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: Now.

1199
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 5: I don't know if you've ever met him in person.

1200
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 5: He is six' four and he is notoriously the nicest

1201
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 5: with his hands of The, klan and, yeah, no, no, no oh,

1202
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 5: boy no he can they can all throw the fuck. Down,

1203
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 5: yeah But meth And ghost forget about. It so he

1204
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 5: flies in between us and she just expands like The

1205
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 5: hulk and he was, like That's Sophie chang and she's

1206
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 5: down with wu. Tag she's some shallon. Motherfucker don't you

1207
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 5: ever who the fuck are you to ask her where she's?

1208
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 5: From don't you ever disrespect her? Again AND i was,

1209
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 5: like oh my, god my. God now nobody had ever

1210
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 5: defended me like, this AND i was just it was

1211
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 5: just this extraordinary. Moment but so the demonstration was. Amazing

1212
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 5: but to deconstruct in WHAT i THINK i want people

1213
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 5: to understand is he knew exactly what the fuck that

1214
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 5: guy was. Saying do you know What i'm? Saying he

1215
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 5: totally understood that it was there was there was a

1216
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 5: racial subtext to, it and there was a gender subtext to. It,

1217
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 5: right he didn't give a shit WHERE i was, from

1218
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 5: because essentially he wasn't asking a. Question he was, saying

1219
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 5: what the fuck are? You and what the fuck are?

1220
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 5: You what the fuck are you doing? Here because you

1221
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,439
Speaker 5: don't belong. HERE i belong. Here you don't belong. Here

1222
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 5: and you, know again wanting to tell people about the

1223
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 5: humanity Of Wu. Tang, Now meth has known this guy

1224
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 5: For i'm sure a long ass. Time this might be

1225
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 5: the second or third time he's met, me and his

1226
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 5: feeling was, like, Nah, bie we're not fucking doing that

1227
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 5: because she's. Ours and WHAT i say About Wu tang is, that,

1228
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 5: LOOK i had several friendships in hip hop and enduring

1229
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 5: ones THAT i have to this day Before Wu. TANG

1230
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 5: i was embraced AND i was, welcomed But Wu tang claimed.

1231
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 5: Me so it's a thing that you're talking about to

1232
01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 5: mere Right, Like so What i'm saying is that everybody

1233
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 5: knew that they were going to be, huge and there

1234
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 5: were hordes and hordes and hordes of people surrounding, them

1235
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 5: and for whatever, reason they just went.

1236
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: Like, this you're coming with.

1237
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 5: Us we're keeping her right. Here AND i feel that

1238
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 5: way to this day THAT i will never ever leave

1239
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 5: that breast.

1240
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 6: Pocket and CAN i get.

1241
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 3: People right, now layah, Me Bill, Sugar steve and Other

1242
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 3: bill And fonte are claiming.

1243
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 1: You, OH i appreciate.

1244
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 5: That that's.

1245
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 8: Beautiful we'll protect you CAN i also just make a

1246
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 8: point to F y because some people might be, thinking,

1247
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 8: oh she's she's The asian woman and the. Click so

1248
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 8: she's the one that brought the awareness to all the. Colleges,

1249
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 8: no can you clear? THAT?

1250
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 5: U oh Yeah. No and first of, all WHEN i say,

1251
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 5: That I'M i was in love with math is the

1252
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 5: platonic love of my? Life, yeah because.

1253
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 6: Yeah he's been married.

1254
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 5: Forever, yeah and he and his Wife tamika is just this,

1255
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 5: gorgeous luminous creature THAT i. Adorre, no he's a platonic

1256
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 5: love of my. Love, no, no, no, no, no. No in, fact,

1257
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 5: no they grew up Watching Kung fu. Movies it was their.

1258
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 5: Escape but they also you, know the themes of brotherhood

1259
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 5: and loyalty and defiance and oppression really resonated with. Them

1260
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 5: and so again going back to, It i'm a White

1261
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 5: i'm a yellow girl growing up in a white. WORLD

1262
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 5: i want to be. WHITE i come To New, YORK

1263
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 5: i get you, KNOW i get into the hip hop,

1264
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 5: world AND i understand that there's another way to be

1265
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,919
Speaker 5: and that is proud of who you. Are and Then

1266
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 5: Wu tang embraces me and it is the first time

1267
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 5: THAT i truly see the beauty and the profundity and

1268
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 5: the power of my culture BECAUSE i see it through their.

1269
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 5: Eyes that's. Amazing because they introduced me To John wu

1270
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 5: And Chaalian. Fat, wow this is the love of my.

1271
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 5: Life this is my life and kung fu. Movies so before, that.

1272
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: Before, then none of the folk you Weren't saturday, afternoons.

1273
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 5: None of, it because it was total cultural. Denial for. Me,

1274
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 5: wow it was cultural denial and it was cultural. Rebellion

1275
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 5: and SO i start watching kung fu movies with my Girlfriend,

1276
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 5: mariam who's time when He's. American we're, like let's starty Kung.

1277
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 5: Fu so we go around and we're. Looking we're looking

1278
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 5: at all these different schools and then we hear there's

1279
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 5: a shallon monk teaching kung. Fu and that's that's like

1280
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 5: hearing that quest love is teaching giving drum, lessons, right

1281
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 5: or it's like looking here in The Tiger woods is

1282
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 5: going to teach you golf down the. Street we're like,

1283
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 5: What so we hunt him down and we find him

1284
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 5: and that we go in, there we talk to. Him

1285
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 5: he Speaks mander and she Speaks mander and he speaks No.

1286
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 5: ENGLISH i don't Speak. Mandarin AND i go home that

1287
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 5: night AND i call my parents AND i, SAID i

1288
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 5: met the Man i'm going to marry. TODAY i knew,

1289
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 5: empirically empirically and. Absolutely and THEN i left the music.

1290
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 5: BUSINESS i stopped managing dirty hard right out of the.

1291
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 6: Music you said he's A shallon, monk and they, said.

1292
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 5: They, said they were, like hang on a. Second my dad's,

1293
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 5: like hang on a. Second he looks. Up he's, Like

1294
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 5: shallon monks can. MARRY i don't know what the fuck.

1295
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Speaker 5: REFERENCE i don't know what. Reference But Bomshi, Chang god,

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Speaker 5: rest his soul was right there with his crazy. Daughter

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Speaker 5: and SO i leave the music. BUSINESS i HAVE i

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Speaker 5: don't even think about.

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Speaker 6: IT i.

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Speaker 5: Run his name is shri Yen. MING i Run Yen ming's.

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Speaker 5: Temple he's a thirty fourth Generation Shalon. Monk he has

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01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 5: a vision that he wants to replicate The Shallon temple In.

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Speaker 5: AMERICA i introduce him To Wu. Tang so THIS i.

1304
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 5: DID i introduce an Actual shalon mulk To Wu. TANG

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01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 5: i also was the person who orchestrated and planned and

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Speaker 5: produced the tour that Brought riza To Shallon. Temple and

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01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 5: he was the first artist in fifteen hundred years to

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01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 5: ever perform in front Of Shallon. Temple also took him

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Speaker 5: To Wu Tang mountain where the abbot Of Wu tang

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Speaker 5: clan met the abbot Of Wu Tang. Mountain and SO

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01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 5: i created those historical. Moments but had it not been

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01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 5: For Wu Tang, CLAN i wouldn't have the two extraordinary

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Speaker 5: children THAT i do right. NOW i wouldn't have an

1314
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 5: almost a twenty five year practice Of shallan kung fu

1315
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Speaker 5: THAT i did BEFORE i came. Here and that's WHY

1316
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 5: i was so. Hungry SO i am eternally grateful To

1317
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 5: Wu tang because they brought me back to myself in

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Speaker 5: the most essential and important and critical. Way and so

1319
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 5: in going back to myself again and going through these

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Speaker 5: chambers with, them they know they brought me around to

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01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 5: my own. Heritage and you know what's extraordinary is That

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Speaker 5: meth said this to. Me he, said you, know in

1323
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 5: a funny, way we kind of introduced you back To asian.

1324
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Speaker 5: Culture AND i was, like how he's so ASTUTE i

1325
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Speaker 5: HAVE I meth is like my. Son he's a he's

1326
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Speaker 5: a piss so he is super in tune with energy

1327
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Speaker 5: and he's deeply empathetic and he knew that in the

1328
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 5: same way that he knew When jamal said where are you?

1329
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Speaker 5: From he understood that this is a hostile. State this

1330
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Speaker 5: is this is not a, question it's a hostile.

1331
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 3: Statement, wow, man that's.

1332
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Speaker 1: Stop.

1333
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Speaker 3: Playing of, course, Yes Method, man we want you on,

1334
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Speaker 3: this BUT i think stop. Gushing if we Get Method

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Speaker 3: man booked on the, show she's gonna come dressed like.

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Speaker 6: Have you met him in?

1337
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Speaker 5: Person mathe like once that they get.

1338
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Speaker 3: Interviewed we gotta have method on just as head dressed

1339
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Speaker 3: up like she did for the.

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Speaker 8: Lin she has a wife And i'm just trying to

1341
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Speaker 8: Bring lenny back to the other.

1342
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Speaker 1: Side, Anyway, mary.

1343
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Speaker 6: And she a little older if she got.

1344
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 8: A girlfriend a little older than you, anyway and she

1345
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Speaker 8: ain't been this coloring a long.

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Speaker 6: Time, Hello SORRY.

1347
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Speaker 1: I was telling.

1348
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Speaker 3: You sorry, Anyway, sophia we can talk. Forever we can talk,

1349
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 3: forever but we we have to wrap it. UP i

1350
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Speaker 3: really appreciate.

1351
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Speaker 1: You coming on the show and and and sharing your.

1352
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Speaker 8: Story opening the door for all My asian girlfriends who

1353
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Speaker 8: are now manager shout out Since Jennya, zuomi all My

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Speaker 8: korean girlfriends shout, out And Don white like, yes doing.

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Speaker 5: It thank.

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1357
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1359
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Speaker 3: Name?

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Speaker 1: John she even taught me how to.

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Speaker 5: Drive oh my, god we taught yay taught me how

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Speaker 5: to drive, anyway thank, you thank you for having. ME

1363
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Speaker 5: i was so excited for this conversation BECAUSE i was,

1364
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Speaker 5: like your mind and your historical, knowledge like that's kind

1365
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Speaker 5: of your left, brain you, know like That. Wikipedia but

1366
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Speaker 5: then there's also this, amazing insane creative challenge and, all

1367
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Speaker 5: and there just aren't that many people like. That so

1368
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Speaker 5: thank you, WELL i thank you so.

1369
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Speaker 1: YEAH i took a.

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Speaker 3: Compliment, Guy i'm in therapy now. BREAKING i wanted to

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Speaker 3: run out the door right now like Ques. No, well

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Speaker 3: thank you very much for coming on the. Show ladies and,

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01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 3: gentlemen that's another episode Of Quest Love. Supreme thank you very.

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Speaker 1: is another episode Of quest Pre. People see you on

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