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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up fire, fam,

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Speaker 1: It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire for Wednesday, October eighteenth.

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Speaker 1: Great guest today on the pod. Were throwing a little curveball,

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Speaker 1: changing it up Rick Buker to talk about the NBA season.

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Speaker 1: NBA is kind of sneaking up on me. I didn't

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Speaker 1: even realize this. It starts next week. I always thought

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Speaker 1: it was like Halloween week, which Halloween is rapidly approaching.

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Speaker 1: If you don't have a costume, good luck ordering something

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Speaker 1: on Amazon in time. So Rick Buker and I mostly

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Speaker 1: agree weirdly on a lot of NBA topics, except a

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Speaker 1: couple near the end. I think you'll enjoy it. Before

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Speaker 1: we get to Rick, a couple news and notes. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I've been hyping this US men's soccer team for a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Now, okay, they just destroyed I know it's

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Speaker 1: only Ghana, but they wrecked Ghana for nothing. And I'm

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Speaker 1: talking like instant, like goal goal goal.

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Speaker 1: Pulisic had won the Young Kid Baligun. He is very good,

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Speaker 1: and Gio Raina scored twice. That it's funny. The internet

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Speaker 1: loves Gio Reina and of course the Internet came after

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Speaker 1: me for the stuff I had about Rena during the

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Speaker 1: World Cup. Nice bounce back for Reina. He's only twenty.

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Speaker 1: The guy's got major upside. He just had to grow

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Speaker 1: up a little bit. So the US soccer team looked

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Speaker 1: awesome last night. And then in the baseball playoffs, which

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Speaker 1: we haven't talked about, and it's weird. I think we've

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Speaker 1: had this podcast for what three years now, we did

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Speaker 1: not Yeah, we didn't preview the MLB postseason this year,

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Speaker 1: and we've done that every other year. And the reason

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Speaker 1: we didn't is because there's no Yankees. The Dodgers didn't

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Speaker 1: feel like they were gonna go far, and they got

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Speaker 1: bounced in the first round. And so now we're heading

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Speaker 1: toward at Phillies Texas Rangers series, which is fine. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you follow baseball, awesome. I'm kind of rooting for

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Speaker 1: the Phillies. I know about Bryce Harper, I know about

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Speaker 1: the other guy who keeps hitting home runs on their team,

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Speaker 1: Shoreber from Chicago. I won't pretend that I follow baseball closely.

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Speaker 1: I you know, you got as you get older, you

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Speaker 1: gotta punt on some stuff. So I don't really know

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Speaker 1: much about the Postseeds. I've been watching the Phillies destroy

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Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks, which is fun, and Texas is up on Houston.

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Speaker 1: I would love for the Astros to get bounced, but

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Speaker 1: they're They're the cockroaches of Major League Baseball. They're never dead,

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Speaker 1: So I mean Texas is going to have to officially

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Speaker 1: put them away.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what a Texas Philly World series would do, Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the interest level is. I confess

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Speaker 1: you ask me Jason quick, name three Texas Rangers. I

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Speaker 1: couldn't do it. I just I did not. I did

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Speaker 1: not follow them at all.

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Speaker 1: I mean I would have joked Raphael Palmeiro, Julio Franco.

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Speaker 1: You know, I could go back to eighties and nineties

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Speaker 1: guys and rattle off Pete Incavillia and anyone under thirty

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Speaker 1: five things. I'm just like making up names. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just haven't paid attention to the Rangers, so I'm

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Speaker 1: TV show Billions, I know we have some avid Billions

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Speaker 1: fans out there. So they lost as the star of

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Speaker 1: this new guy, Prince, and a lot of people bailed

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Speaker 1: on the show, and Prince was like the new Acts

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Speaker 1: any spoilers. A series is not over. Ax is joining

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Speaker 1: looking for a respite to watch something, go to bed early,

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Speaker 1: NBA season. It's like a week away anywhere. Without further ado,

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Speaker 1: here's a Rick Buker of Fox and FS one. You

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Speaker 1: know a guy Jason likes to think he knows everything

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Speaker 1: but for everything he doesn't. He knows a guy who does.

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Speaker 2: Let's just say, I know a guy who knows a

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Speaker 1: We got a special special guest today. He's been covering

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Speaker 1: chopping it up with him. We disagree on a lot,

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Speaker 1: occasionally agree on some things. Rick Buker, Fox FS one,

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Speaker 1: He writes, he podcasts, hees a TV legend. Rick, how

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Speaker 2: I'm good, j Mack.

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Speaker 1: How are you excited? NBA is like a week away.

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Speaker 1: We get like a little respite here midweek from the NFL.

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Speaker 1: We could dive into NBA. A lot of ways to

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Speaker 1: take this, Rick, I don't know. I almost want to

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Speaker 1: open the floor to you. I know you're a big

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Speaker 1: Warriors guy. I'm not as bullish on them. This year

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Speaker 1: Let's open it up with you.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to start by asking what's that cup or

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Speaker 1: Yes, I've been waiting for a guest to ask about that.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I did not exactly have a thriving

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you used to play hoops, right, congratulations, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I play a little bit of hoops. I retired from soccer.

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Speaker 2: It's been a couple of years now. I'm mostly surf

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Speaker 1: Smart smart you're not doing any golf, are you.

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Speaker 2: I actually, I'm after we record this, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, that's the one what everybody plays.

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Speaker 2: I live on a golf course, and all of my

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Speaker 2: He's nineteen now he is. He's smoking me. So he's

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Speaker 1: And your daughter's college basketball player as well.

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Speaker 1: Dude, that's pretty cool your kids playing sports, Like my

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Speaker 1: I'm just I love this because I, as you can tell,

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Speaker 1: I love sports. I mean, are you Rick, any day

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Speaker 1: last year's Sacramento Kings? And I could say, is it

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're quite there. I don't think they're

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're Sacramento Kings level. Because the Kings

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Speaker 2: regular season team. Needed some experience postseason. They've got that.

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Speaker 2: Now now it's going to be the real This is

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Speaker 2: the real test, not just for the Kings. But for

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Speaker 2: Mike Brown, like it's it's all well and good when

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Speaker 2: that Doc Rivers want a coach of the year, Speaking

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Speaker 2: coaching Orlando to a forty one and forty one record.

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Speaker 1: in age and look at Dame's last two years, and

430
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 1: the Bucks are getting old, and then the Lakers are old.

431
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 1: And it's just like the one team you don't really

432
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 1: have to do that with is your Denver Nuggets. Like

433
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 1: you can't. I can't even mention the Clippers, right, I

434
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: don't Eve want to hear them in the discussion this injury.

435
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: I'm with you, it's annoying.

436
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 2: I rode, I rode that Clippers train for the last

437
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 2: two years at least maybe three, And I finally I

438
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 2: was like, this isn't good. This is not going to happen.

439
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 2: This is I so want to believe we're past the Clippers.

440
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 2: Curse that that that Steve Balmer and all that he's doing,

441
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 2: Like I want to see him reward for you know,

442
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 2: he's coming in with the same the Mark Cuban like,

443
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna I'm just gonna reinvent the wheel, and

444
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna spend a ton of money and I'm gonna

445
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 2: go grab it, sort of what Matt Eshby is doing

446
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 2: with the Phoenix Suns. Same thing. It's that that new

447
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: owner smell like you know what. I know, you guys

448
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 2: have been doing this for a while and you do

449
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 2: a certain way, but you know I'm a genius, So

450
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come in. I'm gonna show you how it's done,

451
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: like every new owner does that. And and Balmer has

452
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 2: been he's been putting his money where his mouth is

453
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 2: like he's and he hasn't. I mean, they get to

454
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,719
Speaker 2: the Western Conference finals, but he hasn't. He hasn't got

455
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 2: the payoff yet. So there's a part of me that

456
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 2: wants to see him get paid off. But I'm afraid

457
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 2: that it's gonna have to be an iteration that does

458
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: not rely on Kawhi Leonard and Paul George for that

459
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Speaker 2: to happen. And we're at least a year or two

460
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 2: away from that from that happening. So I hear you

461
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 2: on the lake, Yes, I hear you in terms of

462
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: what they did, But let's let's face it, the fact

463
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,360
Speaker 2: of the matter is they did get swept, they did

464
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 2: have an opportunity to win three of those games. And

465
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 2: as I look at their team, still their go to guy,

466
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 2: their guy who's supposed to close for them, or their

467
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 2: best closer is Lebron James now at thirty nine years

468
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 2: of age. And I just don't see somebody. There's an

469
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 2: assistant GM who I thought made a great correlation of

470
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 2: what this Lakers team is. They are the two thousands

471
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 2: Detroit Pistons. When the Pistons won a championship, believe they

472
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 2: beat the Lakers. Oh that next year they lost in

473
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 2: seven to the Spurs, and then I think they went

474
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 2: to the Eastern Conference Finals three more times. They were

475
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 2: too good to ignore. They were too good to say

476
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 2: they're not in it, but they weren't quite good, good

477
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,959
Speaker 2: enough to get over the hump you didn't like. If

478
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 2: the Lakers were in the Western Conference Finals again, it

479
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: wouldn't I guess it would shock me a little bit.

480
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 2: I would expect it would be Phoenix, Denver, but it

481
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: wouldn't be. It wouldn't be the craziest thing. But I

482
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 2: just don't see them. I don't see a way in

483
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 2: which the Lakers get past Denver or Phoenix and then

484
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: go beat whoever comes out of the West Boston or Milwaukee.

485
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 2: I just I think they're still really good. They're relevant,

486
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: but they're not They're just like they're just really good,

487
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: they're not great.

488
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: I mean they added like five guys. You got Vincent

489
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: is new who's going to be good off the bench?

490
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: Torrian Prince, solid veteran Christian would you know on a

491
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: minimum deal a lot to prove, left a lot of

492
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 1: money on the table in the past, Like, hey, Christian

493
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: getting up there in age, buddy might want to try

494
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 1: on defense, you know. And then I think Jackson Hayes,

495
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: assuming he can not run a foul as of law,

496
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: can be a solid center and maybe handle Jokich a

497
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: little bit. And then the final guy, Cam Reddish, who's

498
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: a great bi Loo Like this kid was a Ballyhood

499
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: high school star at Duke and then he just hasn't

500
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: been in like a winning setup in the NBA.

501
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: Like, well, you.

502
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: Sitting there practice looking at Lebron, you're Cam Reddish, like

503
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: bro fall in line.

504
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, no, look, I'm cam Reddish is also one

505
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 2: of those bandwagons that I have been riding for the

506
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: last few years, and I'm riding it like a trolley car.

507
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 2: Now I have one foot, I'm hanging. I'm hanging by

508
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 2: one of those those exit polls, right, because I just

509
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 2: don't know how many chances you get. Right. He goes

510
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 2: from Atlanta to New York to Portland. Now he's with

511
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 2: the Lakers. Like the talent is undeniable. But for whatever reason,

512
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 2: and maybe it's the scar tissue from what he's gone

513
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 2: through to this point, but when he makes a miss,

514
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 2: it becomes a snowball. It's like he misses a shot

515
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: or he mishandles the ball or whatever happens like and

516
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 2: then it's it's like on his head and it's and

517
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 2: he's screwed up for the next three possessions. Like you

518
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: just in a guy in his position, you're coming off

519
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 2: the bench. You gotta be mister officient. You can't like

520
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: you know. And on flip side is like, if he

521
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 2: hits a shot, if he feels good like now you you,

522
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 2: he's gonna give you like three four minutes where you go, Wow, man,

523
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: this kid could be something. I just I don't know

524
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 2: if that light is ever gonna go on and again

525
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: for all the guys that you mentioned. It's why I

526
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 2: said they're very good. Ruey hot Tamura looks like he's

527
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 2: he's he's gonna be as solid or more so than

528
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: he was last year. I don't know about Jackson Hayes

529
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 2: or any like. The problem still comes back to this,

530
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: like you can't match up with Nikola Jokic. You want

531
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 2: to go small like he showed, they can play fast

532
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 2: with him on the floor. He's in good enough shape

533
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: now where he will run the floor, he can start

534
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 2: the break and if you play big, he's gonna take

535
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 2: him outside or he's I mean, he just he there's

536
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 2: a reason why he orchestrated that whole thing, and he's

537
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: what twenty seven years old? Like good lord? I would

538
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 2: I mean other than maybe facing a Joel Mbi for

539
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 2: seven games, like I'm looking for.

540
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: A big bullet. Do you like him beat that much?

541
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: What's that you like him beat.

542
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: That much that you think in a series he could

543
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: he could like hold his own or slow or whatever

544
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Speaker 1: contain Yokic.

545
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: I think, well, I think he can make it competitive.

546
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: I think he can give I think he is he

547
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: has the raw ability, the innate ability to make the

548
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: game challenging. For Yokic. I was just gonna say the

549
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Speaker 2: one of the one of the things that I really

550
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 2: like about what the Phoenix Suns have done is getting

551
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 2: use of Nurkic. I'm not I'm not like, if there's

552
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: any big if there's if you're gonna give me Jackson

553
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 2: Hayes a use of Nurkic to slow down Jokic, I'll

554
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 2: take NRK nine times out of ten.

555
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: Okay, well one.

556
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: Because of their familiarity. They both started in Denver. I

557
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: think like if I'm if I'm Frank Vogel, I am

558
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: talking to nirk every day going, hey, you know what,

559
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: we got a chance to win a championship here, and

560
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: you got a chance to show Denver that when they

561
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: picked Jokic over you. You were the first round pick, him

562
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: the second round pick, when they decided that he was

563
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: going to be more than you were. This is your time.

564
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: This is your opportunity to kind of even the score,

565
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: to get a to get a little payback. So this

566
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: is what we need you to do. We need you

567
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Speaker 2: to be there all the time. We need you to

568
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Speaker 2: be locked in, We need you be like giving us

569
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Speaker 2: your best effort all the time, because there's times where

570
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: NRK can can compete, and there's times where he doesn't.

571
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Speaker 2: And if the Suns are gonna go someplace, they're gonna

572
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: need him to have like not four games, there's no

573
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Speaker 2: four games. If he can have one game where he

574
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: neutralizes Jokics, then I think the Suns have a great

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Speaker 2: chance of pulling an upset.

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Speaker 1: me for saying the Lakers played the Nuggets. Tougher than anyone.

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Speaker 1: Jokich average thirty four to thirteen and ten on forty

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's where I mean honestly, if we got

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, by the way, how do you be fascinating?

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00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: And to me, it's not like Yokis is always going

626
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 2: to get his numbers. Cannerk just make just make him

627
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: work for them? Like I didn't feel like eight and

628
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: really made Jokis work, like just work so that this

629
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: becomes a six to seven game series. Now Jokics isn't

630
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 2: feeling himself now, he's not like he's he's a little tired,

631
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: so he's not shooting the three the same way, he's

632
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: not being as aggressive to get to his spots like that.

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00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 2: That to me is it is kind of the the

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00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 2: residual deterioration through this course of a series. That's what

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00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,959
Speaker 2: I would hope that Nurk could could do, because I mean,

636
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 2: Jokic is just again so versatile. Like the idea that

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00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: you're gonna completely shut him down. I don't know. Maybe

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00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,920
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Speaker 2: you give it up, but we're gonna make sure that

642
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 2: you don't. You're not putting up thirty. Yeah, I could

643
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 2: see that that that being one way of attacking Jokic

644
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 2: is in that space now where it's like you're you're

645
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 2: not stopping him, you just hope to contain him.

646
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: Oh right, how do I say this is not being

647
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: harsh again, amazing, He's incredible. You're I'm trying to provide

648
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of context and pumping the brakes on this.

649
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: Nobody can stop Yokic. Okay, So before last season, going

650
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 1: into last season, what was the book on your Jokic?

651
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: Awesome player, really good MVP all UNBA regular season player. Okay,

652
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: So things break their way in the playoffs. Jamal Murray's healthy, obviously,

653
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: Jamal Murray healthy. Remember a couple of years ago, Draymond

654
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: Green did a pretty good job on Jokic and they

655
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: and they kicked their butt. Jamal Murray the X factor.

656
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: I just I don't know if I'm ready to go

657
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: on board. Like, remember how Jalen Hurts went from Holy

658
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: Cow he was uh what second or third round pick

659
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: of the Eagles too, Oh my gosh, he's the MVP

660
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: of the league last year and he almost beat the

661
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: Chiefs in the Super Bowl, and then Jalen Hurts his

662
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: crowned and now Jalen Hurts is kind of regressing a

663
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 1: little bit.

664
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

665
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Jalen Hurts is Jokic, obviously, but I

666
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: just wonder if we went from he's not a postseason

667
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: player too. He's unstoppable, best player in the league. Nobody

668
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: like it feels like a little bit of a too

669
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: much of a leap, do you think, Rick.

670
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: M No. Obviously he has to have some talent around him,

671
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: like he can't. He's not a one man band. He

672
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: can be a one man band in the regular season.

673
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 2: But he needs he needs Jamal Murray to be healthy.

674
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: He needs he needs MPJ to space the floor, he

675
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 2: needs Aaron Gordon not to be afraid like he needs

676
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: he does need the things around him. But like the

677
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: Draymond Green Jokic comparison, like Draymond Green is going this

678
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: way and Jokic is going this way, and they you know,

679
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: they crossed somewhere here, but but the lines are continuing

680
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: in their in their respective directions. So I will say

681
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: it again, I think he's twenty seven years old. Yeah,

682
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 2: the dude is in his prime. And what was the

683
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: primary thing that we thought was an issue with him

684
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 2: was his conditioning, his body. And and I can't underscore

685
00:36:54,360 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: what learning how to be successful in the postseason, what

686
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: that does for your confidence and your understanding of what

687
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 2: it takes to do it again, and and and he

688
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 2: has all that now. So I just I don't think

689
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: it's an overstatement to say I don't see that guy

690
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: in the league other than last year's MVP. If they

691
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 2: were in a series, that could make things interesting, and

692
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: I would still I would still lean toward Jokic because

693
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: I think he has a more mature approach to the

694
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 2: game than Joel does. But there's a reason that Team

695
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: USA went after Joel Embiid and added him, because you're

696
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: not You're simply not going to get a guy with

697
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 2: those skills and that size from anybody who qualifies as

698
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: an American citizen. What the next best is Kessler Walker?

699
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 2: Come on, They're just there, aren't There aren't the American center,

700
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 2: the skilled American center, it's gone, does not exist compared

701
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: to the internation, the the international centers in the league.

702
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 2: You got Jokic, you got Yannis, I mean they're all

703
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: they're all foreign born.

704
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

705
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 2: That's where that's the great hole in our national team

706
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: and quite honestly, in in the in the chain of

707
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 2: talent that that the US is producing.

708
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: We touched on this on the Herd one time when

709
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: I think I hosted, and you and I were talking

710
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: about like AAU basketball and how the best players in

711
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: the NBA are now European, right, Yokic Luca, like Yannis

712
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: and and and the you know, the US players who

713
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: are drafted high, like oh web Yama, Yes, good, great call,

714
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: but like the new like the US players who are

715
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: drafted higher are like just one trick ponies, like Jalen Green.

716
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get thirty points and we're gonna lose

717
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: by fifteen, you know. And I'm not not a Jayalen Green.

718
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: I like him, but like there is just a different

719
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: culture and attitude and vibe. And yeah, we haven't we

720
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: haven't really talked about wom Min Yama. My hot take

721
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: is I think he's going to be all NBA as

722
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: a rookie because when you look at the centers, it's

723
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: basically Jokic, Embiid and can web ben Yama beat out

724
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: Bam out of Byo. And if Miami's not really a

725
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: playoff team as I predict, and wem Ben Yama's putting

726
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: up some ridiculous numbers assuming Pop doesn't sit him for

727
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: thirty games. I think women Yama is going to be transformative.

728
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: I'm not reading that in the preseason. I just think

729
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: he Yeah, people are going to go try to dunk

730
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: on him. But dude, the stuff he's doing, like he

731
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: just can't guard him.

732
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 2: I so you're the reason why the odds makers set

733
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 2: the Spurs over underwin total at twenty eight and a half.

734
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: Uh too, I will hold on, hold on. Who's your

735
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: second best player? Is it Sheldon Johnson? They're not winning.

736
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: I don't think they're winning twenty eight half. I just

737
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: think wee Bin Yama though when he plays is musty TV,

738
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: and he's gonna put up numbers like it's like Devin Vassal,

739
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 1: Kendall Johnson, who's the kid so hand is a solid player,

740
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: but they don't have any Dude, I can't believe they

741
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: didn't spend in free agency and then Vassal got like

742
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty million dollars. Rick, you could go

743
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: to the YMCA or wherever a pickup all is near

744
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: your house, and I guarantee you fifty percent of the

745
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: people don't know who Devin Vassal is.

746
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: Oh huh, no doubt, no doubt. And I asked some

747
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 2: people around the league. I was like, is he is

748
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 2: he that good?

749
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: Like he could make shots?

750
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 2: Because it all like Spurs generally don't spend money. But

751
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 2: what I was told is that the Spurs believe that

752
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: he's the next Mikhale Bridges, so they're getting in Huh,

753
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 2: they're investing early buyer. Kay. So, but I do not

754
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 2: believe that the Spurs, to your point, the reason that

755
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 2: they didn't spend big and free agents because they're not

756
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: looking to go for it this year. And I don't

757
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 2: leave that you're gonna see because of that roster. Like,

758
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: the only way I see them being competitive is is

759
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 2: if wem Mignana is playing like close to forty minutes.

760
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: He ain't playing close to forty minutes, and he ain't

761
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 2: playing more than seventy games, So when he's not on

762
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: the floor, Like I do think that he is a special,

763
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: special talent, I don't think there's enough around him for

764
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: that to matter. And for those listening out there, if

765
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: you're going to take the take the under on that

766
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 2: twenty eight and a half, they had twenty two wins

767
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: last year, and I can see them winning a few more,

768
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: but not not that many more. Because it's just my

769
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: understanding from what at least this is what people in

770
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: the league tell me, Like their belief is san Antonio

771
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: would be perfectly happy making one more trip to the

772
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: lottery and going and getting one more young stud to

773
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 2: play against next to Wemba Yama while they develop him

774
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: this year and kind of get him conditioned to the

775
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 2: NBA game and then start to make their move next season.

776
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: Okay, it sounds reasonable. We could wrap up with this,

777
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: give me your final four in each conference, you know,

778
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: playoff wise East and then West.

779
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: Okay, Denver, Phoenix, Memphis.

780
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:33,919
Speaker 1: Wow, I did not see that coming.

781
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: Warriors, No Lakers.

782
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: Okay, Uh, how many games is Joe out? How many

783
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: games is Jille twenty five or something?

784
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 2: Twenty five twenty five? But I I like they were

785
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: missing some other pieces, and we've seen there very capable

786
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:55,959
Speaker 2: of winning games without job.

787
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was when they had what's his name

788
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: the backup from Duke Jones, trade Jones?

789
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 2: Was it? Yeah, Trey Jones.

790
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,959
Speaker 1: So now I got to look up their backup point guard.

791
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 2: That's well, they got Derek Rose in there, and I'm

792
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: trying to think who the other other guard is.

793
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: Salty Aldama Kenneth. Yeah, there's not a lot of town known.

794
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: He's not a guard, no, but they look they've played,

795
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 2: They've played through Desmond they've played Mark.

796
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: Oh, Marcus Smart, Yeah, Marcus Smart.

797
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: Marcus Yeah. Look, they're gonna be fine. They're gonna be fine.

798
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 2: In fact, the issue is going to be like, how

799
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: do you figure out the minutes once Joh comes back? Right? So,

800
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: Marcus Smart, Derek Rose, you know, they'll they will be

801
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: fine through the first twenty five games. And I really

802
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 2: believe that taking Dylan Brooks out of the equation, they're

803
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 2: gonna be a much more mature team. Uh. I don't

804
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 2: have a problem with Memphis being a force in the

805
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: East Boston millwall Y.

806
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: Then it gets tough, very dicey.

807
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: I mean, James Harden situation. Probably gotta throw them in

808
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 2: there by default.

809
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 1: So and that's just they keep hardening. Things are kumba, Yeah,

810
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 1: they're rolling. Okay.

811
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:25,479
Speaker 2: It sounds like eventually at some point hard Harden comes

812
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: back and plays and then shows that he can still play,

813
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: and then they end up making a deal with the Clippers.

814
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 2: I don't think he stays there the whole year because

815
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: of Darryl Moore is not gonna you know, he's he's

816
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 2: not gonna shortcut what he wants just to move Harden on.

817
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 2: He does not care. He's yeah, he's a he's a

818
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 2: robo cop. He's got got no emotions. Harden Is is

819
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: hyper emotional, and Darryl Morey is the exact opposite. How

820
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: they ever, how they ever connected is is that's a

821
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: tale to be told, because I they could not be

822
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 2: more different personality wise. I'm not buying. I'm not buying Miami.

823
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: Okay, there's two teams there, two that clearly stick out,

824
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: and then one is my sleeper in the East. But uh,

825
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: I haven't heard you. Who's your fourth.

826
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 2: Orlando's You're no, no, no, no, no, no no. Do

827
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: I throw Indiana in there? Boy? Is that? Wow?

828
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: That's rich. That's a huge that's a quantum leap.

829
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: That is rich.

830
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: But what what about Cleveland or New York?

831
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: I'm not a Yeah, I guess if you put Philly

832
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: in there, I'm I feel I feel like we've seen

833
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: the best of New York.

834
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 1: Now, Okay, I don't disagree.

835
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: Like I think they'll still be good again. They're like

836
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: one of those teams it's gonna be good, formidable. Are

837
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 2: they good enough to get to the conference finals? I

838
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 2: don't quite see that. I don't Atlanta.

839
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm not sas that's my sleeper Atlanta. I think I

840
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: was early on them last year. Nobody likes Atlanta. This

841
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: year their win total was adjusted down by like four,

842
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: so Vegas is even selling. I'm buying year two of

843
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: Murray and Young in the backcourt, and I just love

844
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: their wing players. What's not to love about? Like Sadiq

845
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: bay DeAndre Hunter, Bogdanovich. I like Griffin. I like what

846
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: I saw from Jalen Johnson. Like, I just don't see

847
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: why people aren't in on this team. Are they out

848
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: on Trey Young? Is that what it is.

849
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: I think they're out on Trey Young. I think they're

850
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,479
Speaker 2: out on that combination. To be honest with you.

851
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: Quince Snyder is a great coach.

852
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 2: He is.

853
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: I like him a lot.

854
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Speaker 2: I like Quinn, but I I'm not so. I wasn't

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Speaker 2: sold when they made the deal. I wasn't sold on

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Speaker 2: that backcourt combo as being like the answer because Trey

857
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: essentially is a scoring point guard and then you went

858
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Speaker 2: and got a two guard who primarily is a scorer.

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Speaker 2: And issue is Trey doesn't defend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just.

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Speaker 2: You just you can't. You're not You're not you can

862
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Speaker 2: be good, you can win you know, forty five games

863
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Speaker 2: or so, are you gonna play for a title with

864
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Speaker 2: a point guard who does not defend.

865
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Speaker 1: I think they thought maybe Murray would be their Clay,

866
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Speaker 1: because Curry was not a great defender when he was younger,

867
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Speaker 1: and neither is Trey young and maybe Dejana Murray can

868
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: be that, but de Jean to Murray's not hitting ten

869
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: threes in a game like Lady.

870
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Speaker 2: Once again undervaluing what Clay Thompson really was, how good

871
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 2: he was before the injuries as a two way player,

872
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 2: and as a guy who was happy to like, oh,

873
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Speaker 2: I only get to touch the ball for forty seconds,

874
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Speaker 2: I'll still give you twenty five. Yeah, and I'll do

875
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Speaker 2: all the yeoman's work at the other end, I'm good.

876
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Speaker 2: Those guys are fuey far between. It is a reflection

877
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Speaker 2: of a reflection of how unique all three of those

878
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 2: guys were, into a certain extent, still are. And I'm

879
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 2: actually surprised I didn't get pushed back from you that

880
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: I have the Warriors in my final four in the West.

881
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Speaker 2: You got it because I fearly like, you're not a

882
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Speaker 2: big Chris Paul fan.

883
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Speaker 1: Oh I can't stand Chris Paul. But they have Steph Curry,

884
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: so I'm all in side note. I had a bet

885
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Speaker 1: with somebody about a player you're familiar with. I gotta

886
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: looked at the exact number up Jordan Pool, who I

887
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Speaker 1: like a lot. I had a bet with a buddy

888
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: he listened to the podcast all the time. I set

889
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Speaker 1: the number twenty nine and a half points per game.

890
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: I set the over. My buddy took the under. Where

891
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Speaker 1: are you on Jordan Pool? I mean he might lead

892
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Speaker 1: the league in scoring this year.

893
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Speaker 2: You know this in Washington.

894
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't care if they win the games.

895
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Speaker 2: I'm guessing he's gonna lead the league in field goal

896
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Speaker 2: with teps field.

897
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Speaker 1: That's but you know he can get buckets. That dude scores.

898
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Speaker 1: I love watching Jordan Poole now listen, Playing with him

899
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Speaker 1: would be another story, But I do enjoy watching him.

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Speaker 1: His handle, like the skill levels ridiculous. Can he can?

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Speaker 2: He has the lowest win total over under Mark.

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Speaker 1: Don't they prop That sounds about right. It's basically Kuzma

903
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: Jordan Poole, and they're gonna be on the scene in

904
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: DC just tearing it up. Uh. DC is a great

905
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Speaker 1: party town. And Jordan Poole single guy, handsome dude basketball player,

906
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Speaker 1: and Kuzma is like mister fashion, they're gonna be quite

907
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: the tantem. I don't think they're gonna be great at basketball.

908
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: But uh, I'm a Jordan Pool guy.

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Speaker 2: I know.

910
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Speaker 1: I'm Jordan Pool. Truther are why I like watching I

911
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Speaker 1: like watching basketball?

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Speaker 2: I guess when I think about the j mac make

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Speaker 2: come on, here we go. You like the flash, you

914
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 2: like that, you like the edgy, flashy, big numbers guy.

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Speaker 1: Well, I like watching it. But you know I play

916
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: in the men's leagues. Out here in LA we're pretty dominant.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I go out and find the

918
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Speaker 1: best players on our team. I don't find those flashy guys.

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Speaker 1: I want team players setting screens, hustling on defense, talking

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Speaker 1: on defense. I don't want a Jordan Pool on my team.

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Speaker 1: But I enjoy, greatly enjoy watching it.

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Speaker 2: But the question is, are you Jordan Poole on your team?

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Speaker 1: No? No, no, no, I'm a realist, dude. Yes, When

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Speaker 1: I get the ball, the SHOT's probably going up. I'm

925
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 1: not forcing terrible stuff, but I do hustle on defense

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Speaker 1: and talk and I lock in. Okay, yeah, I'm on

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Speaker 1: the older side. Nobody cares anyways. Rick Bucker, NBA expert

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Speaker 1: Fox sports. I'm sure i'll be seeing you around very soon. Rick,

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Speaker 1: thanks for taking the time, buddy, My pleasure.