WEBVTT - Listener Mail: Mirages and More 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:05.280 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:10.760 My Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:14.560 Listener mail. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.360 We hope you're doing all right. On this Monday. We 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:20.480 were just talking off Mike about movies shot in Arizona 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:24.239 and about and about how my brain is kind of 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:27.160 wrecked right now because Rachel and I earlier we're listening 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:30.080 to a very nice playlist full of great music. But 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:33.720 the playlist was called good Times, Great Oldies. It was 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:35.639 just something Rachel found on the Internet. And then it's 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:38.599 full of music from the nineties, which that is awful. 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:44.360 Don't do that. It's like music for ancient mummies. And 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.760 then it's that goat yea song. Well, you know, it's 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:50.760 it's just how it works. You reached that point where 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:55.280 you know, all the the hits you remember are the classics, right, Yeah, 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:59.240 everything becomes gs rock eventually. But now I'm loaded up 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:02.040 on indigol Arles and and Sonny came home and all that, 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:04.360 so so I'm ready to talk about fatim or Ghana. 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:07.160 Rob would you like to jump right into the email. Yeah, 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:10.360 let's do it. We received a number of listener mails 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.800 regarding this episode, which was a super fun to put together, 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:16.360 and um yeah, it seems to resonate with with everyone. 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:18.279 And I guess came out at just the right time 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:23.759 because we received a number of different um emails regarding 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:31.800 a new image that has just come out. Yeah, so 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:34.960 this was the ship that was cited floating in the 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:38.960 air over the horizon off the Cornish coast. A bunch 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:40.880 of listeners sent this to us. This may have been 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:43.120 This may have been the thing that was like the 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:49.200 single largest number of listeners sending the same news article. Yeah, yeah, 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.920 And I think this story was published maybe the same 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:54.680 day as our fatimor Ghana episode or maybe the day after. 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:57.440 I'm not sure, but uh so you can look up 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:59.320 pictures of it on the internet if you haven't seen 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:02.920 it already, look up like ship floating Cornish coast or something. 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:06.320 Uh it should come right up and to read from 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:10.239 the BBC news report about it. This is an unsigned 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:12.079 article of course, so I can't tell you the author, 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.400 but images of what appears to be a hovering ship 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:18.040 have been captured as a result of a rare optical 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.520 illusion off the coast of England. David Morris took a 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:26.120 photo of the ship near Falmouth, Cornwall. BBC meteorologist David 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:31.040 Brain said the superior mirage occurred because of special atmospheric 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:34.640 conditions that bend light. He said the illusion is common 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:37.240 in the Arctic that can appear very rarely in the 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:40.919 UK during winter. Mr Morris said he was stunned after 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.400 capturing the picture while looking out to see from the 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:47.880 hamlet of Gillen. Mr Brain said quote Superior mirages occur 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:51.640 because of the weather condition known as temperature inversion, where 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:54.440 cold air lies close to the sea and warmer air 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:57.600 above it. Since cold air is denser than warm air, 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:01.240 it bends light towards the eyes of someone standing on 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:04.280 the ground or on the coast, changing how a distant 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:08.360 object appears. Superior mirages can produce a few different types 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:11.640 of images. Here a distant ship appears to float high 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:15.080 above its actual position, but sometimes an object below the 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:19.040 horizon can become visible. And yeah, it is a really 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:22.400 striking image. I will say it has, at least in 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:26.480 this photo, it has greater clarity than most superior mirages. 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:29.200 Usually somehow they look a little bit more I don't know, 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:34.080 faded or ethereal, lending themselves well to spectral interpretations. This 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.480 one looks quite straightforward. It just looks like a ship 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:38.640 in the air. Yeah, and it really Yeah, it's one 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:41.520 of these where it's not a situation in which you 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:43.440 would look at this and be like, I guess it 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:46.160 kind of looks like a ship floating above the horizon. 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:49.240 Now it's it's it's it's very confusing to look at 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.800 if you don't know what you're seeing here. So yeah, 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:54.600 great serendipity. We did not know this, this photo would 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:56.520 be published here, this article would be coming out around 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:58.520 the time of the episode, so so yeah, it was 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:02.000 a nice surprise. Thanks for everybody who send it our way. Yeah. Absolutely, 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.800 I'm not sure I would have necessarily caught it otherwise. Um, 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:07.320 let's see what else do we have, And we have 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:15.680 more listener mail regarding the photomorgana. Uh. This one comes 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.599 to us from Chris, Hi, Robert and Joe. Just finished 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.640 listening to your excellent episode on Potomorgana. And I was 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:23.719 not familiar with this term, but I did know what 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:26.120 a mirage was and have been lucky enough to see 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:29.479 a few during travels in the Southwest United States. The 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:31.880 example that I am sharing is from the area of 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:34.800 country that I live in. This was an excellent story 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.919 at quite a breathtaking photo of Chicago taken from the 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:41.479 shores of Michigan. Here is a link to the news 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:44.680 story about it, and I checked this out. Chris attaches 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:48.599 a link to an article by Tom Coombs explaining the 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:51.440 mirage or case of looming. I'm not sure quite which 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:53.919 one it is. It's one or the other that is 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:59.200 apparently explaining this photograph of the skyline of Chicago that 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.320 could be seen from the opposite shore of the Great Lake. 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:04.240 And yeah, if you look at it, it is it 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.120 is quite a beautiful picture. It's got some eighties mall colors, 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.960 kind of Miami vice and the pink and blue hues, 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.880 but it is quite beautiful. Yeah. It looks like he 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.279 could be a you know, cover image for a vapor 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:20.760 wave album for sure. That's what I was thinking. Yes, um, yeah, 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:23.320 And it has the appearance of like a city in 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.839 the clouds, or or a city so just so towering 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:29.600 that it's somehow visible above the horizon. It's it's interesting 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:33.080 anyway that the listening mail continues as the article states, 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:35.919 it's impossible to see Chicago from that far away, some 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:40.039 fifty seven miles, but with a mirage it looks significantly closer. 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:42.840 Oh and with that being said, it could be very 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:45.520 easy to see how travelers through the ages have imagined 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.960 things being much closer than the actually word due to 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.760 this phenomenon. Keep up the great work, and as always, 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:55.480 thanks for continuing to blow our minds. Chris. Yeah, thanks Chris. 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.200 So Yes. I was reading this article and it seems 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:02.680 to me that basically, depending on the elevation at which 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:06.679 you're standing, it maybe sometimes should be possible to see 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:10.560 the tops of the very tallest buildings in the Chicago 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:14.200 skyline from across the lake, just given the normal geometry 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.599 the curvature of the earth. But you definitely shouldn't be 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:18.640 able to see down to where it looks like you 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:20.839 can see in this photo, which is it looks like 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:22.960 you can see the city all the way down to 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:24.680 the ground level, not just like the peak of the 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:28.400 Sears Tower and the other tallest buildings. Um. And so, 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:30.160 one of the funny things I was reading in this 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:34.839 article is that apparently, according to this guy Tom Coombs, uh, 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:38.480 some flat earth people were using the photo as evidence 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.560 that well, look, the Chicago skyline is visible on the 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.080 opposite side of the lake in this photo, proof that 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.279 the Earth is actually flat. And that just made me think, 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.240 if people are actually saying that, what do they think 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.560 about like the millions of other photos where you can't 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:55.200 see it, Like, what's going on there? I think you're 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:59.960 you're already putting way too much thought, more thought than 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.720 they put into um saying ah, here it is proof 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:12.520 of of the Earth's flatness. Uh so very weirdly. This 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:15.120 next message also will touch on something that's sort of 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:19.680 peripheral to, uh to some of the bizarre flat Earth beliefs. Rob, 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:23.120 do you ever come across this claim? Apparently some flat earthers, 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.480 you know, you ask the question, well, okay, what happens 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:28.160 if you get to the edge of the disc? They 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.320 believe the Earth is some kind of flat disc, or 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:32.520 at least claim to believe that. It's hard to tell 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:34.920 with a lot of them, like whether they genuinely believe 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:36.880 this or whether they're just sort of like saying it 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.760 for fun. Um, Yes, yes, I know where you're going. 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:42.360 This is the idea that at the edge of the 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.280 disc you will encounter vast ice walls that keep you 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.240 from falling off the Earth, and I guess maybe they 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:50.200 keep the oceans from flowing off and landing on the turtle. 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.760 I guess so. Um yeah, So the ice walls are 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:57.000 a common feature of the flat earth mythology, so just 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.160 keep that in mind. That will come up again in 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:02.040 this next message from Dempsey. Oh and this one is 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:05.160 about both the Fata Morgana episode and the previous episodes 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.360 that we talked about with halos and optical phenomena like 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:12.640 the sun dogs and things like that. So Dempsey says, Hey, guys, 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:15.920 I'm a long time slash first time fan. I'm a 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:20.160 physics grad student at u A. Fairbanks that studies crazy fluids. 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:24.480 In truth, I study the turbulence in Tokomax, a type 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:28.360 of nuclear fusion reactor. Along this path was an incredibly 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:32.400 interesting class on geophysical fluid dynamics or g f D, 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:37.199 the study of planetary scale fluids meaning atmosphere and oceans, 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:40.600 their interactions that occur at given boundaries, and many other 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:44.160 interesting things. In the class, we learned the finest inner 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:47.959 workings of several optical illusions that one could see, especially 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:52.040 ones from the cold. Being a huge fan of sustainable living, 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:55.679 I bike ski or walk to school every day. On 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:58.199 top of finally catching up on all of stuff to 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.960 blow your mind and seeing all of the aurora in commute. 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.680 This has grown my optical illusion checklist better. Yet, the 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:08.640 sleep deprived ramble of a first year grad student from 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:11.760 science building the cabin has also led to the occasional 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:15.160 false paranormal sighting. Oh, Dempsey, you know how to grab 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:19.600 our attention? Um, so yeah, so Dempsey goes on. The 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:22.400 first sighting occurred the winter before taking g f D. 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:26.600 Remember that's geophysical fluid dynamics, and I had absolutely no 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:30.439 idea it was a possibility. Skiing home late one cloudy 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:33.640 night after grading, it was perfectly calm with no wind, 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:36.360 and it was a bitter cold, better than thirty degrees 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:40.240 fahrenheit below. This commute was also along a hiking path 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:43.000 in the woods that allowed for almost no light pollution. 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.800 I stopped in a clearing to catch my breath. When 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:49.600 looking in the distance towards home, four or five beams 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:53.959 of light connecting the forest to the clouds appeared. These 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:57.480 columns of white light were huge, laser like beams that 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:01.400 were stable and did not flicker. Beams were so powerful 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:03.760 and caught me so unaware that it was all I 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.320 could do to avoid the fight or flight panic, to 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:10.920 get lost and hide in the forest aliens. Later in GFD, 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.840 I learned in that kind of cold, when ice precipitates 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:17.760 from the clouds humidity, it can form a crystal so 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:21.240 small it can't be seen. This crystal based structure is 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:24.760 most likely to form in a flat paper like sheet. 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:28.120 When these sheets of crystal float to the ground like 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:31.079 a falling leaf, they act like either a lens or 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:34.720 a mirror, depending on the way that the light strikes it. Ultimately, 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.600 the combination of the street lights that were already on 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:40.920 and the temperature dropping to a given sweet spot for 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:44.400 the humidity and pressure that day led to false UFO 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:46.920 beams that got a rise out of me. Wow, that 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.200 that is amazing. I have never heard of that before. 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:53.560 Dempsey goes on the sun dogs are my favorite illusion. 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:57.439 It turns out there essentially a glorified cold weather rainbow. 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.600 When white light from the sun like some small round thing, 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.559 like a tiny ice crystal, it is deflected along a 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:08.000 cone from the point to possibly your eye. This is 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:11.040 why rainbows are always the same shape arc I'm a 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:14.000 little confused on this next sentence, I Dempsey says, when 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:17.000 we see them get brighter, not grow and extend. Not 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:18.760 quite sure about that, but there may be a type 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:21.840 of there. Uh. This is also why the halo around 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:25.880 the moon has a specific fixed angular size. The same 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:28.760 behavior leads to sundogs in the polar regions of the 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:32.000 world at the polls during the winter when the temperature 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.120 is right to make small ray Leigh scatterers. The sun 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:38.440 is low near the horizon. If present when the conditions 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:40.960 are perfect, this can actually result in a ring of 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:45.000 rainbow around the Sun. During these conditions, it is possible 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.960 to have as many as four additional suns at the 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:51.920 vertices of pie divided by two pie, three pie divided 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:55.240 by two and two pie surrounding the Sun. As you 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.840 guys know, this can also lead to false UFO encounters, 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:01.560 not in my case, though I got the burning bush 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:05.559 experience earlier. This semester. We had a negative ten degree 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.880 fahrenheit snow day. On this commute, I admired the beauty 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:12.960 of this impossibly fine stacked dust in the trees. I 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:16.040 had been walking up to a crested ridge to suddenly 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:19.400 see a lone birch in a clearing engulfed in the 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:22.559 brightest red flame I had ever seen. It was only 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.280 after changing my position by several meters that it was 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.880 easy to tell that it was only a chance alignment 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.480 with a sun dog in the early morning sun. Unfortunately, 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:33.600 it was too cold and my phone died before I 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.000 could get the picture. So here is one from later 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.480 on without the snow. That should be a good starting 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:41.840 point for a mental image. And uh and Dempsey attaches 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.440 an image of like a thicket of trees with the 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:46.680 sun shining from right behind them. That does make it 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.319 kind of look like the trees on fire. Now here, 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:51.520 we're coming back to the ice wall. I think I'm 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.000 riding after the morning walk listening to the episode on 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:56.840 Fatim Morgana. I may not have been listening closely enough. 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.800 I may have been staring at it too intently. But 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:03.400 did you guys mention the ice wall that sometimes results 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:07.480 from Fairbanks? Looking south, one can see the Alaska slash 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:11.480 Dnnali range miles away, with many small valleys and ridges 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.920 between the Fata Morgana seems to result in a in 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:18.240 a hundreds of foot high ice wall visible hundreds of 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:21.320 miles away. Here's a picture, and then there is a 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:23.360 picture for us to look at that that does look 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.679 extremely strange. Yeah, it's it's quite impressive. It does look 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.120 like some sort of Titanic ice wall. I don't know 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:31.880 if it has ever had religious significance, but I imagine 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:35.240 it's influenced ideas in literature like Game of Thrones and 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.959 in conspiracy theories like the Flat Earth. One last illusion 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:42.040 to look for occurs when the sun crosses a sharp boundary, 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:46.320 giving the quote green flash from Lots of Lore. I 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:48.120 don't remember if this came up in Fatim Moor, Ghana, 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:51.160 but it is yeah, related phenomena often observed by sailors. 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:54.280 Dempsey goes on, this is much harder to see because 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:56.640 it is literally a flash of green light that you 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:58.959 can see when staring at the sun at the exact 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:02.199 right moment the sun goes below the ocean pirates of 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:04.959 the Caribbean style or dips behind the peak of a 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:09.360 huge mountain range Alaska style. Hopefully this was interesting or 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.480 at least a little bit funny. Always looking forward to 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:14.080 our next walk, Dempsey, Yeah, I love all these of 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.160 these images. This was I was hoping, you know, that 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:20.160 people would send in photographs and yeah, that they that 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.920 they've provided a number of them here. Yeah, and really 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:26.320 appreciate the interpretive context as well. I had never heard 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:30.680 of that idea before about um light being reflected against 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.640 or through these like sheet like crystal svice. I'm gonna 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:41.520 have to look that up, all right. Here's another one. 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:43.840 This one comes to us from m R and it 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:47.960 is a response to our Halo episodes. Hi, Joe and Robert. 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.360 I was introduced to your podcast by my husband, who 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:52.480 has been listening for many years now. I hope this 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:54.520 doesn't sound too weird, but we listened to the show 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.840 every night to fall asleep. I will say that is 0:14:57.880 --> 0:14:59.880 not that is not weird. We've been I think we 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.600 heard of heard from people like this for for years 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:04.920 and uh and you know, we're we're happy to help 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.480 you drift off into a pleasant slumber. And we do 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:12.320 apologize for the rare occurrences where some sort of loud 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:15.000 noise at the end of the episode disturbs that anyway, 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.880 they continue. We're the type of people who like to 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:21.360 have background noise. I'm like that as well. After the 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:23.800 first night that my husband suggested stuff to blow your mind, 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:27.280 it became our permanent routine. Yeah, the quick aside, Joe, 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.760 This reminds me when I was when I was a kid, 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:32.560 or maybe in junior high. I remember going to the 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:37.520 bookstore and I was purchasing a Dune book and the 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:41.040 teller there was very excited and she told me how 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:45.560 she and her husband put David Lynch's Dune on every 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:49.080 night to go to sleep too. Yeah, so I was. 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:52.320 I remember being really impressed with that. That that because like, wow, 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:54.560 that maybe this that is what adult life is like. 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.160 I don't know. You know, there are many things about 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.920 that movie that are dream like, beyond their their dream 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.840 like in ways that are not suggested by the original book. 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:07.120 They're they're very particularly Lynch. And one example is the 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:10.320 recurring pug. You know, the pug of House of Tradees. 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:12.800 Do you remember this? I do remember the pug that 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.600 is such a David Lynch detailed the book, I'm quite sure, 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.200 makes no mention of a pug, and yet in many 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:20.400 scenes in the movie there's just a pug. There's one 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:22.960 scene where I believe Patrick Stewart is leading a bunch 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:25.680 of troops charging into battle against the soldiers of House 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:30.160 Harconin and he's holding the pug in his arms. Well, 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:32.800 you know, it's a regal dog. It's it's it's befitting 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:36.040 of a noble house. Yeah, but anyway, that is that's 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:39.240 not Mr. Uh, that's not their story. This is a 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:42.600 story from you know, from when I was younger. Anyway, 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.240 Mr continues, I've always wanted to write in but I 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:48.880 never had much to contribute until you mentioned synthesia as 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:53.040 a synisthet myself, what I listened to for relaxation depends 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:58.080 heavily on the colors and textures I gather from people's voices. Luckily, 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:01.800 both of you have very calming colors. Joe's voice is 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:06.120 a dusty, icy purple that moves in symmetrical liquid like waves. 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:10.400 It has a slight, silvery glitter effect as well. Robert's 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:13.560 voice actually has two colors. It's mostly a reddish maroon, 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:18.520 but it's supplemented by an occasional splash of pastel orange. 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:21.560 The texture feels pointed or spiky, but the tips of 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:25.000 these spikes are rounded and smooth, kind of conical. Both 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.880 of your voices are very cool toned, which is great 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:31.280 for relaxation and sleep in my case. Your individual colors 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:35.280 also complement each other quite well, sometimes separate voices speaking 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:38.600 together can have colors that clash, which is not as 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.720 conducive for sleep. WHOA though, well, this is the first 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:45.320 time I've ever had somebody described me in terms of synesthesia. 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:47.960 I guess this would not be person color synesthesia. This 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:52.080 would be like auditory, like just the sounds of the voices. Yeah, 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:54.439 but but I like this. I'm already reading more into it, 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.159 like you know, like my own relationship with the color orange. 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:00.440 And so for anyway, they continue. But where I met 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.040 my husband, I watched videos that triggered a s MR 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.840 tinkling sensation in order to fall asleep. I think a 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:08.960 s MR could be an interesting topic for a future episode. 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:12.320 Thanks for being a part of my nightly routine. MR. Well, 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:14.240 thank you, m R. I will say, I do not 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:17.160 think we have ever gotten a message like this before. Yeah, 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:19.680 I know this is insightful. I mean, like like we've 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:23.200 said with with synesesia, it's it's it's not universally insightful, 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:27.359 like the pastel orange is not universally my color for everyone. 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:30.399 But it's interesting that that's how it is received with 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:32.879 one individual. But can you tell me the colors of 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:35.640 the pug It's white and brown or it's black. That's 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:37.120 those are my guests. I think those are the two 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:40.240 colors they come in, right, Yeah, I guess so in 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:42.359 my experience. Anyway, maybe there are other colors of the 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:45.320 of the pug. I can't remember the color of the 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:47.640 pug of House of Tradees. I think it's maybe sort 0:18:47.680 --> 0:19:00.000 of sort of a beige dog. Yeah, all right, here's 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:02.560 another one. This one comes to us from Anna. Hello, 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:05.280 Robert and Joe. I've just listened to your second episode 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.080 on Halos and you asked for any examples of halos 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:10.720 and horror sci fi movies. Well, I just happened to 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:14.320 watch an episode of Doctor Who called Voyage of the Damned. 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:18.240 This is a long episode and features robot angels called 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.200 the Host. At the start, uh, they are merely robots 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:23.240 to give out information, but then there is a point 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:26.440 where they turn evil. They take off their halos above 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:28.760 their head and use them as deadly weapons to throw 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.399 at people. This is definitely worth a watch. It was 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:34.560 on recently here in Australia a repeat. I only meant 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:36.480 to watch a little bit of it, but David Tennant 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:38.959 is so charming I watched the whole thing. It has 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.040 a lot of lovely elements to it. There's a scene 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:43.200 at a cocktail party where Doctor Who is a bit 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.119 like James Bond chatting up a pretty girl, except that 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:48.600 he is interested in her as a person and she 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:53.920 just happens to be Uh, who's this Kylie Minogue? Kylie Minogue? Well? 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:56.800 Where should I know? Kylie Minogue from Kylie Minogue is 0:19:56.840 --> 0:20:01.280 as a musician? Oh, just helped us out. I was 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.040 thinking of the music video of hers, directed by Michelle 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:08.399 Gondry's which is an interesting video. And but also I 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:12.199 just looked her up and apparently she portrayed Cammy in 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:17.280 The Street Fighter movie. That should make it worthwhile for you. Right, well, yeah, 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:21.119 we're talking about the one um the street Fighter movie, right, 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:25.679 the one yes with all Julia Yes, yeah, yeah, okay, 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.879 all right, excellent. I mean, just more more reason for 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:32.360 us to uh to to to rewatch that film. Yeah. 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:35.399 But so apparently she's in a she's in a Doctor 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:39.199 Who episode. I did not know that. Okay, anyway, they 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:43.119 continue Also it has alien culture trying to explain Christmas. Uh. 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:47.760 They so so called expert on Earth cultures says things like, uh, 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:50.919 like there is a figure called Santa who has clause 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:54.040 and will punish you if you are bad and it Christmas. 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:57.480 Humans will eat people from Turkey. Anyway, keep up the 0:20:57.480 --> 0:20:59.840 excellent work, Anna. So, I guess it's kind of like 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:02.240 that that exercise we often talk about, like how would 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:07.840 aliens try to describe or understand human culture? So it 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:10.440 sounds like there was an exercise in in that. I'm 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:14.440 very tickled by the idea of James Bond, except he's 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:20.320 interested in her as a person. Yeah, yeah, Bond. Bond 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:23.080 generally comes off as something of a creep, doesn't he hum? 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:28.520 But he's our creep, is he? I think he's British. 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:31.200 Oh that's true. Well he's he's on our side of something. 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:35.920 He's against the people who want to kill the whole world. Yeah, 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:46.359 well that's true. Yeah, he ultimately does good work. All right, 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:50.240 you ready to talk some weird house, let's do it. Okay? 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:53.080 This first message, actually, we're gonna look at a couple 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:55.679 of messages about Split Second, and both of them have 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:58.040 to do with the question we brought up in Split Second, 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:02.000